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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. M Hello,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my

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Speaker 1: name is Noel. They call me Ben. We are joined,

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Speaker 1: of course, with our super producer Paul Mission Control decond.

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Speaker 1: Most importantly, you are here. You are you, and that

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Speaker 1: makes this stuff they don't want you to know. When

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Speaker 1: Before we get into it, Ben, Um, I have to

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Speaker 1: ask you about the bag of chips that's sitting next

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Speaker 1: to your computer. Yes, okay, yeah, So I like my compatriots.

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Speaker 1: I do many things here at How Stuff Works, and

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Speaker 1: go live with how Lauren Vogelbaum, who you remember from

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Speaker 1: this show, and eat strange snacks from around the world. Matt,

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Speaker 1: the thing you are asking about. Everyone can hear the

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Speaker 1: crinkling sounds, so you know what's real? Can you do

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Speaker 1: way too many people liked that way too much. Well,

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Speaker 1: So this this bag of chips have been carrying around

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Speaker 1: like a lucky talisman. It's a Japanese company that's called

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Speaker 1: Lonely God. Would would you guys like to describe the

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Speaker 1: if it's got a magic wand, that's but also it's yeah,

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Speaker 1: these are vegetable flavor potato twists twists exactly. That's what

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Speaker 1: it because the name Lonely God is the best, most

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Speaker 1: the little the little I'm assuming this is the Little

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Speaker 1: this is not what today's episode is about. Though, but

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Speaker 1: a theory, Okay, later on, I think the chips represent

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Speaker 1: Oh boy? But you may be asking yourself, uh, is

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Speaker 1: takes all kinds. Yeah, unfortunately, we uh, we are focusing

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Speaker 1: esque moments, very kissed the ring kind of moment. Right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: pay obesience or let me you don't let me know

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Speaker 1: that not just that I can trust you to do

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Speaker 1: your job, but that you will be loyal to me specifically,

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Speaker 1: not even to your office. At least that's how he

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Speaker 1: took it, and that's how he still sees it. We're

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Speaker 1: not saying that that was the president's intention. We're saying

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Speaker 1: that's how Comey interpreted it. Yeah, And in the rest

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Speaker 1: of that discussion was basically Comey saying, look sir, you're

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Speaker 1: not officially under investigation for this whole Russia thing. And

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Speaker 1: then Comy states that allegedly Trump was saying, well, maybe

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Speaker 1: you should investigate it just to make sure nothing nothing

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Speaker 1: bad happened there. So we kind of are led down

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Speaker 1: this road of will Comey be looking further into the

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Speaker 1: Russia and you know the Russia thing with the election,

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Speaker 1: Um will he won't he? How much? To what extent

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Speaker 1: and how much does Trump really care? And it sounds

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Speaker 1: like they were almost engaging in negotiation type tactics and

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Speaker 1: in a transaction of sorts in the conversation, because Comy

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Speaker 1: says that he felt, uh, he was being manipulated into

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Speaker 1: what he would call a patronage relationship like that there

447
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Speaker 1: was again in his opinion, uh, he he interpreted this

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Speaker 1: as a way to make him ask for his job

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Speaker 1: and then feel like it was being done some sort

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Speaker 1: of favor, and that an attempt to make him feel indebted.

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Speaker 1: And so this tense relationship continues. What Matt just described

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Speaker 1: is the defining moment for the book that Comy will

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Speaker 1: later write. And without going into too much granular detail

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Speaker 1: about the different backs, backs and forths flural they had

455
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Speaker 1: over the course of this increasingly rocky relationship, can say

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Speaker 1: that it does come to a head even before the

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Speaker 1: official firing. There's a there's a lot of stuff happening.

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Speaker 1: You can follow the president's tweets where he says, you know,

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Speaker 1: he's blaming comy for giving the Clinton campaign quote a

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Speaker 1: free pass. And this is historically he does go out

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Speaker 1: and say, especially on Twitter where there's no handlers or

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Speaker 1: pr filters, he he has set a precedent where wld

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Speaker 1: go out and openly disagree with some of the people

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Speaker 1: working for him, which, regardless of how you feel about it,

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Speaker 1: it's something he does. So this on basis might not

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Speaker 1: be anything different. Right before we get into the what

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Speaker 1: happened after the firing and all that fun stuff, Um,

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Speaker 1: can we talk a little bit about the what he

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Speaker 1: did to investigate those allegations of Russian interference with the

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Speaker 1: president presidential election? You mean after McCain gave him the

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Speaker 1: Steel dossier or the process of I don't know. I mean,

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Speaker 1: like I guess I'm a little fuzzy on the details

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Speaker 1: of of which thing he was most involved in because

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Speaker 1: everyone knows that is involved in with the Clinton campaign.

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Speaker 1: But I don't think of him as much as being

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Speaker 1: involved in the Russia thing. Um, So I'm throw it

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Speaker 1: to you guys, what do you think was what role

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Speaker 1: did he play that? Because if I'm not mistaken, Trump's

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Speaker 1: ultimate rationale outwardly at least for firing him, was that

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Speaker 1: he poorly handled the Clinton investigation, that he botched it right,

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Speaker 1: that he essentially took what would have been an open

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Speaker 1: and shut case and either through in action, incompetence, or

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Speaker 1: malicious design, made it, made it disappear, and focused on

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Speaker 1: the fake news of Russia interference. I see, okay, So

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Speaker 1: what what was the fake news is that he focused on?

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Speaker 1: So the Russia matter goes into a couple of different areas.

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Speaker 1: One we mentioned the Steele dossier. That's the one that um,

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Speaker 1: that's the one that you'll hear a lot of cable

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Speaker 1: news networks say is either completely fake made by a

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Speaker 1: British intelligence officer named Christopher Steele. I mean, it's a

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Speaker 1: real thing, but they'll say that this dossier contains fabricated claims.

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Speaker 1: But since often cable news will cater to the lowest

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Speaker 1: common denominator, you will probably recognize it more easily as

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Speaker 1: the quote unquote pe tape memo, which is coming back

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Speaker 1: to me now now that you mentioned this prurient trash,

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Speaker 1: my mind is just lighting up like a switchboard. That's

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Speaker 1: the that's the thing that's uh fascinatings. Because President Trump

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Speaker 1: directly addresses this, there's like no way no, I would

499
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Speaker 1: never do that. You think a guy like me has

500
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Speaker 1: to pay for hookers? The pee on him? Apparently that's there.

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Speaker 1: That was one of the first conversations they have. Also,

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Speaker 1: he said he's a germophobe. So he was like, look, buddy,

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Speaker 1: you got the wrong guy. I the idea of someone

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Speaker 1: urinating on or around me is weird. That's a paraphrase,

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00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: but yeah, germophobe. And why would I pay someone for sex?

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Speaker 1: So Russia and the and we'll get back into this

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Speaker 1: after after a break, But the information that he's receiving

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Speaker 1: about Russia. One of the things that the FBI has

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Speaker 1: to do whenever they receive any kind of information is

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Speaker 1: they have to first discern whether it's credible. And determining

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Speaker 1: whether something is credible is a lot trickier than it looks,

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Speaker 1: especially when we live in a world where I mean,

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Speaker 1: you hear that loathsome phrase fake news being thrown around

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Speaker 1: all the time. But other countries have been doing this

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Speaker 1: to each other for centuries. You know. Uh, we just

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Speaker 1: started talking about it on Twitter a few years ago.

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Speaker 1: But this this is interest him because he's receiving stuff

518
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Speaker 1: that he has to verify and say, is this a

519
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: fake report about Russian interference? Is this a credible threat?

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00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: And you know as as you would know it said

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Speaker 1: the President himself said, look, just investigate this. Get this

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Speaker 1: miasma of bad vibes and unfounded rumors away from me.

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Speaker 1: Everybody knows Trump hates bad vibes. Every I mean, who

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Speaker 1: is pro vad vibes? That's that's great. No, I just

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Speaker 1: mean pro bad vibes. Is hard to say pro pro

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Speaker 1: vad vibes, pro bad vibes, theater exercise. Yeah, it's a

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Speaker 1: tongue twister. Welcome theater theater officionados. But the emails, we

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Speaker 1: mentioned these, Matt, what's going on with these emails? Well,

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Speaker 1: but her emails, Well, this is ah, this is tough

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Speaker 1: even for us because we've had a whole episode on

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Speaker 1: these emails, on the Clinton conspiracy. That's right, we did,

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Speaker 1: but we didn't have the information we have today. We

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Speaker 1: that is correct. At the time, we were going on

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Speaker 1: a lot of things that were coming out from the

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Speaker 1: FBI speaking of this thing that was the Hillary Clinton

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Speaker 1: email review. It was called a few times. It was

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Speaker 1: called the matter. I believe James Comey called it the matter. Um.

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Speaker 1: Then it was a security a security something or other,

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Speaker 1: and then it became an investigation. And the reason why

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Speaker 1: it was so important was because the presidential election of

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Speaker 1: was occurring. Hillary Clinton was running in that election. If

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Speaker 1: you're a call, and James Comey, the head of the FBI,

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Speaker 1: came out eleven days before the election, and he sent

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Speaker 1: this letter to Congress and it stated that in light

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Speaker 1: of new information, the investigation into Hillary Clinton's email server

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Speaker 1: was going to continue and be reopened because up until

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Speaker 1: this point it had kind of been shut down. There

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Speaker 1: were like nothing else to see here, It's fine. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And the eleven days before the election, Comey sent a

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Speaker 1: letter to Congress. And that's the part that's interesting, right,

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Speaker 1: because that, to correct me if I'm wrong, was that

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Speaker 1: that move that really gave Trump of ammunition he needed

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Speaker 1: to call him incompetent, was that he did something that

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Speaker 1: potentially swayed the election, even though it was in Trump's favor, Like,

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Speaker 1: how do you guys see that? Yeah? I knew it

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Speaker 1: was something that he felt was a very big ethical

557
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Speaker 1: dilemma because he felt it was his duty to report it,

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Speaker 1: but it also felt that there was no way he

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Speaker 1: could do that without intervening even even reluctantly in the election.

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Speaker 1: And so, you know, imagine it from the Imagine it

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Speaker 1: from the perspective of someone who has been keeping your

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Speaker 1: eyes on the story and is already convinced that there's

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Speaker 1: something really, really shifty going on here. The fact that

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Speaker 1: the FBI reopens the thing eleven days before the election,

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Speaker 1: that's huge. Feel like you're voting for, Like who are

566
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Speaker 1: you voting for? You know what I mean? That's spooky stuff.

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Speaker 1: So he even though he knew specifically what this was,

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Speaker 1: and he felt that maybe there wasn't any any fire,

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Speaker 1: or even maybe even he spoke, but regardless of that,

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Speaker 1: he felt again honor bound, he felt a higher loyalty

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Speaker 1: to report this, and it's pretty much inarguable that it

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Speaker 1: did sway the election. But regardless, if you want to

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Speaker 1: learn about his opinion of this, you can check out

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Speaker 1: his book. He released a book. He's talking to the press,

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Speaker 1: everybody and anyone. So what's he saying. We'll get into

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Speaker 1: that right after a quick word from our sponsor, and

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Speaker 1: it's going to get crazy. Here's where it gets crazy.

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00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: Comy's book, A Higher Loyalty, Truth, Lies, and Leadership was

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Speaker 1: released on April seventeen, two days before that. Uh, he

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Speaker 1: gave which I believe the unedited version of this was

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Speaker 1: five hours an interview with George Stephanopolis was edited down

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Speaker 1: to a single hour. That's insane. That doesn't that it

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Speaker 1: isn't insane, Just the stamina of that on both sides.

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Speaker 1: I would have a rough time with that. Um and

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Speaker 1: he he dropped some bombs, dropped a few bombs, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he has Uh, well, he has a great quote that

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Speaker 1: I think you've held me sure. He says, we can

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Speaker 1: fight as Americans about guns, or taxes or immigration, and

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00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: we always have, but what we have in common is

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Speaker 1: a set of norms, most importantly the truth dot dot dot.

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Speaker 1: The foundation of this country is in jeopardy when you

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Speaker 1: stop measuring our leaders against that central value of truth.

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Speaker 1: And we talked about that early on, about his dilemma

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Speaker 1: he had with like Martha Stewart versus this no name

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00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: pastor who both got in trouble for lying to the FBI.

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Speaker 1: And he says, the reason that's such an important thing

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Speaker 1: for him is because quote, when when you lie, quote,

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Speaker 1: the rule of law breaks down. He says, you can't

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Speaker 1: or the rule of law breaks down. And there once

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Speaker 1: was a day when people were afraid of going to hell.

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Speaker 1: This is interesting. This kind of contradicts what I said

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Speaker 1: earlier about him not being overtly religious going to hell.

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Speaker 1: If they took an oath in the name of God

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Speaker 1: and violated it, we've drifted away from that day. And

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Speaker 1: so in its place has to be a fear that

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Speaker 1: if you lie and the government can prove it beyond

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Speaker 1: a reasonable doubt, they will prosecute you. In order to

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Speaker 1: send a message to all the others who might be

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Speaker 1: called upon to give evidence, you must tell the truth.

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Speaker 1: It matters enormously. And he also details both in the

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Speaker 1: book and the interview, his experience fighting the the government

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Speaker 1: behind the government in pursuit of the inessa expanding abilities,

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Speaker 1: well expanding publicly acknowledged abilities to wire tap US citizens

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Speaker 1: and surveiled them domestically without a warrant. He has a

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Speaker 1: very tense meeting with VP Dick Cheney, who is UH,

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Speaker 1: who was obviously bullish about this, and then he just

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Speaker 1: barely manages to save a debilitated John ash Cross dying

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Speaker 1: in the hospital the hospitalized at the time UH, the

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Speaker 1: Attorney General UH. He manages to save him from being

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Speaker 1: exploited by in his opinion exploited by White House counsel

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Speaker 1: Alberto Gonzalez and Bush's chief of staff Andrew H. Card,

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Speaker 1: That is this is the most crooked stuff I've ever

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Speaker 1: heard in my life. I was shocked. I had not

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Speaker 1: heard the story, and the way he tells it is fascinating. He,

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Speaker 1: you know, has this meeting with Cheney where he shuts

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Speaker 1: it down and says, look, because Cheney looks him in

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Speaker 1: the eye and says what he say, thousands of people

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Speaker 1: will die if you don't sign off on us doing

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Speaker 1: this warrantless wire tapping, taking time by our a bit

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Speaker 1: like torture. And he says, well, look, dude, I mean

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Speaker 1: that doesn't make me feel very good, but the law

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Speaker 1: is the law, and this is what the law says,

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Speaker 1: and I cannot, in good conscious, as the number two

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Speaker 1: Injustice Department, cannot sign off on this. Yeah. And then

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Speaker 1: he gets this. This meeting, as you can tell, doesn't

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Speaker 1: go well. He gets an urgent call and says, you know,

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Speaker 1: your boss, John Ashcroft is in the hospital and right

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Speaker 1: now there's two men I named earlier, Card and Gonzalez

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Speaker 1: are on the way to essentially force him to sign this. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: or while he's yeah, while he's down and out, like

641
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Speaker 1: can go buddy, sign this as grab your hand there. Yeah,

642
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 1: But he ends up showing up, beats them to the

643
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Speaker 1: hospital and he basically he didn't even have to be there,

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Speaker 1: at least according to the the way he told the story,

645
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Speaker 1: John Ashcross, he was with it enough that he, you know,

646
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 1: used every last bit of strength. Yeah, he said, no. Man.

647
00:39:55,880 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: So the this conference Tatian led to Yeah, Ashcroft supporting

648
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Speaker 1: Komey um formally and completely co signed him. So from

649
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Speaker 1: Komey's side and form the side of people who were

650
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Speaker 1: against warrantless surveillance. At least this battle worked out in

651
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Speaker 1: your favor. And it sort of makes him look like

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Speaker 1: a bit of a friend of freedom and liberty. And

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Speaker 1: again it's him telling the story, because man, what an

654
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Speaker 1: apocryphal sounding story, right, have a dying attorney general with

655
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Speaker 1: his last breath, points at you and says you are

656
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Speaker 1: the one you know and everything goes in slow mo

657
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: as the hand with a pen gets closer to the

658
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: pair and you have them. Yeah. Boom, boom boom. That's

659
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Speaker 1: the heartbeat that always shows up in the well, of course,

660
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Speaker 1: wasn't it. Robert Mueller, the guy currently investigating the Russia situation.

661
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Speaker 1: He also shows up at the hospital to show up.

662
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Speaker 1: He talks to him on the phone. Okay, I talk

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Speaker 1: to him on the phone, UM telling him U that

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Speaker 1: they didn't support this. And then Mueller said, well, if

665
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Speaker 1: you the Justice Department doesn't support this, then we the FBI,

666
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 1: which is admittedly a separate entity but yet still part

667
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: of the machine that is the Justice Department, we cannot

668
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Speaker 1: rightfully support this either. So he said in the interview

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Speaker 1: with Stephanoplus, they weren't really pals. They respected each other. Um,

670
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Speaker 1: but man, what a crazy flipper rooney. Right, Seriously, they

671
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: were work friends. I guess that just mean that this

672
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Speaker 1: interaction they had and then the way things would come

673
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Speaker 1: to pass with Mueller being, you know, the guard dog

674
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Speaker 1: sent after Trump after you know, Comey was just act

675
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: or after rushing connections at least exactly. But still the

676
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: perception in the public and um perpetuated by the Trump

677
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 1: administration is that Mueller is unfairly doggedly chasing after Trump

678
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: himself and in his administration and ignoring the real issues.

679
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 1: I think the phrase they threw around his witch hunt, right,

680
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: that's the phrase that's around. But we Um, we know

681
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 1: this is an important point to acknowledge. It's not like

682
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Speaker 1: these guys were hanging out and getting milkshakes or smoothies

683
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: every day after work. They didn't call each other to

684
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: be like, hey, what are you thinking about? Nothing you

685
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: They weren't on that level. So this is a very

686
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: important point. They weren't working in concert towards some kind

687
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: of which hunts, at least from their perspective. Another interesting

688
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,479
Speaker 1: thing that came out in this interview Ben La something

689
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:32,760
Speaker 1: we've talked about before on that same episode about Hillary Clinton.

690
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: I believe the whole Whitewater scandal case, which we still

691
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: never did an episode on we I think we mentioned

692
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Speaker 1: it in that episode, but we never We didn't go

693
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Speaker 1: into it. But it was interesting to find out that

694
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Speaker 1: Tomy actually worked that case briefly for about five months.

695
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Speaker 1: He was looking into specifically the suicide of Vincent Foster.

696
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Speaker 1: He was a White House Council membrights who was implicated.

697
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Speaker 1: And then he also speaks about the pardon of Mark Rich.

698
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Speaker 1: Mark Rich, what Mark Rich did, and he has a

699
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: lot of fans out there in the world, what he

700
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: did that is a crime and has proven as that

701
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: he violated sanctions against Iran. There are a lot of

702
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,800
Speaker 1: people who think there should be more sanctions on Iran.

703
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 1: There are a lot of people who think there should

704
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: be fewer sanctions on Iran. But regardless, what he did

705
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 1: was uh use those sanctions or the violation of them

706
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: for his own personal profit and he made a ton

707
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Speaker 1: of money. Then he later got pardoned and this was,

708
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: according to Comy, massive tax fraud case. Hard to fight

709
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Speaker 1: a pardon. And then we got back to the emails, right,

710
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: and he if it correct me if I'm wrong, guys,

711
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: But he didn't start this, right, He kind of inherited

712
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Speaker 1: this investigation. Yeah, he said. He said it was part

713
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Speaker 1: of ordinary intelligence collection and he just it was part

714
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: of the ordinary course of action that was occurring there.

715
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: So like they were looking into things, they found something

716
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Speaker 1: that had a lead, and they just started doing it.

717
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: And he's the director, so it's just kind of occurring

718
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Speaker 1: below him. And then he gets briefed, Oh, by the way,

719
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Speaker 1: we've also opened this investigation. You know, one thing that

720
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Speaker 1: you told me that I thought was remarkably shady is okay,

721
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: let's just say because there are a lot of people

722
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: say this email thing is the fake news, right, and

723
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: that the real problem is Russian interference, and that you

724
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: they can't both have something shady going on. But you

725
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: told me that they actually the staff was messing with

726
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 1: stuff before they turned it over his evidence. Right. Yeah,

727
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: it was a known thing that the Hillary Hillary's I

728
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: don't know what you call them, not the administration. They're

729
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: just her staff, the campaign staff and Clinton Clinton campaign. Yes,

730
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Speaker 1: as she's secretary of State, as all this stuff is occurring,

731
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Speaker 1: she let's say, her staff broke mobile phones, the blackberries

732
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Speaker 1: they were using to communicate using this email server or

733
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Speaker 1: a private one. Uh. They cleaned out computers and hard

734
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:12,399
Speaker 1: drives and servers before handing it over for evidence. Um,

735
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,720
Speaker 1: there's a lot of shady stuff going on. And Comey

736
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: saw that and he knew that. He was like, m m,

737
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 1: it doesn't prove anything, but it definitely doesn't look good.

738
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Speaker 1: The optics. Yeah. Do you remember for a while when

739
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 1: everybody was saying the optics of something? Uh? Yeah. So

740
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 1: he also suggests that this could be a common practice,

741
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: and the difficulty or the sorry, the crucial thing to

742
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: figure out is whether this is just to safeguard sensitive

743
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: information or whether it's too How would he put it

744
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: obstruct justice. Yeah, which you know, let's just put out

745
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 1: a reminder here. Whenever you're getting rid of an old

746
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: hard drive or a phone or anything that has a

747
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: hard drive with information stored on it, be very very

748
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: careful in how you handle that. You should also probably

749
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:00,040
Speaker 1: recycle it if you can, but remove that sense it

750
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: of data. First, make sure you print out all the

751
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: pages and then paste them on a wall. Yes, so

752
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: you won't forget rent a warehouse. Paste, put a ribbon

753
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: on your pinky to remind you to get the least

754
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 1: to the warehouse, and then make sure the keys are

755
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: hidden one of those fake rock looking things. But then

756
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 1: you have to write yourself a note somewhere that you

757
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: remember which rock is the fake one, and set a

758
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: Google reminder with just part of the coordinates to the rock.

759
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,760
Speaker 1: And again he's been he's been doing this for a while.

760
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: He also, in the interview I believe, addresses the situation

761
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: with former Director of the CIA David Petreus. Yeah, and

762
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: he discusses how there are similarities and differences between the

763
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Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton email thing and David Petraus's case, where he

764
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: um he was doing things that were a little more severe,

765
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: which would be in the to the tune of bringing

766
00:46:55,680 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 1: highly classified material printed out and had handwritten no back

767
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: to his living quarters where he was living with a woman,

768
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: or at least staying with a woman who was also

769
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Speaker 1: a writer slash reporter and maybe sharing that highly classified

770
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Speaker 1: information with her. Well, I mean, it's been said, it's

771
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: been written that that he was she was photographing, and

772
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: he allowed her to photograph it. Um. And so this

773
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 1: was a case that was used by a lot of

774
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 1: critics of Comy's handling of the Clinton email scandal was

775
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: that he's going soft on Clinton. Um, but he was

776
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: horrid on Prey, was hard on Petrayus. But you know,

777
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: to hear in the interview, Stephanopolis kind of sets up

778
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: the question um bringing up the Petreus case, saying that

779
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: a lot of the conservative critics of Comy's handling of

780
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Speaker 1: the Clinton email scandal was that the Petreys case was

781
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: like less of a big deal, which seems crazy to me.

782
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: And we'll get into that as again then the Clinton case.

783
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 1: And yet he chose not to prosecute Petraeus, So that

784
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 1: that that's the that's sort of the crystallization of the

785
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:14,959
Speaker 1: um conservative criticism of of his handling of this. Um

786
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: to that, Comey responds that because people were saying that

787
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: they were very closely related. Um, he's saying no, no,

788
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:24,919
Speaker 1: he said it was not a close call. In fact,

789
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: I thought David Petreus should have been prosecuted, not just

790
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: for them as handling of the classified information, which obviously did.

791
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: He took it, you know, in hand in a notebook home,

792
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,439
Speaker 1: which not supposed to do, and with for the intent

793
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: for the purposes of giving it to somebody to write

794
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: a book to use, you know, totally off off base there. Um,

795
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 1: he says, not only should have been prosecuted for them

796
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: as handling of the classified information, but also for a

797
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: line to the FBI, because lying it strikes here he

798
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: is again strikes at the heart of our rule of

799
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,879
Speaker 1: law in this country. He is really pushing that that

800
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 1: line home. And in the end, the Attorney General at

801
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: the time, Eric Holder, is the one who decided, UH

802
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 1: to only charge him with the misdemeanor mishandling of classified information,

803
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: a much lower crime in the tier of offenses. You guys,

804
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: you guys, one of the things that he was sharing

805
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 1: in there, and I didn't really understand this fully. With

806
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: the Petrays case, a lot of the information had to

807
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: do with special access programs, which we've learned over the

808
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 1: course of this show with other interviews and research. Those

809
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: are some of the top level like black budgets, compartmentalized information. Yeah,

810
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: you have to be read onto it. Yeah, stuff that

811
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Speaker 1: you don't share, and he's just like, check it out, look,

812
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 1: I'm cool. They were also in the nitty gritty of

813
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: the Petrayas situation. He was also I think the way

814
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:45,439
Speaker 1: they were communicating at times was they would write drafts

815
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: on a Gmail address and then never send them. But

816
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:50,839
Speaker 1: you if you had the password, you could go check

817
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: the drafts, and that's how they communicate. Do you guys

818
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: see the connection between these cases though? Do you see

819
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 1: them as being in any way even on the scale?

820
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I mean he had b I should

821
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 1: investigate them. They have that in common. There you go.

822
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: That's again not to sound like a like a Clinton apologist.

823
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: I think I have serious beef with with many things

824
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 1: about about this person. But it certainly feels like the

825
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: use of the private email server was not nefarious at

826
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: its heart, in the same way as taking home a

827
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 1: secret dossier to share with a third party is at

828
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Speaker 1: its heart and insteads yeah, yeah, and instead of doing

829
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Speaker 1: a whole episode on it, I'm gonna I'm going to

830
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: uh friends and neighbors, do uh provide you all a

831
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: wonderful opportunity and make my co host very irritated with me.

832
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Speaker 1: One word pizza gate? What do you think? Conspiracy at

833
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: House of Works dot com? Oh, here we go, Here

834
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: we go right in. Let it, let us know because

835
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: we we have looked into it in the course of

836
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Speaker 1: other investigations, just haven't done an episode on it. Yep,

837
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 1: what do you say? We move on to good old

838
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: Lauretta Lynch. Lynch's my favorite country and Western singer. Yep.

839
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:11,919
Speaker 1: Put a at the end and you're good to go. Yep.

840
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 1: So what yeah, what happens we mentioned this earlier in

841
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: the show. Well, this is late two years before Mr

842
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 1: Komy finds his fate. Um. He meets with the Attorney

843
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:27,760
Speaker 1: General LAURRETTA Lynch to let her know that he's planning

844
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:31,399
Speaker 1: on making it public that there is this official investigation

845
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 1: into the Hillary Clinton email thing. Now, a lot of

846
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: people thought this was a break in precedent, but Comey

847
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 1: says it was not at all. Why I want to

848
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 1: I'm putting this to you guys and also to to

849
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: um you folks at home. Why did he do it?

850
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,879
Speaker 1: How is it not a break in precedent? I'm confused.

851
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: Was he just trying to because because isn't it his

852
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: job to be a political And yet it seemed like

853
00:51:56,080 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 1: a decision that was informed by the need to not

854
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,240
Speaker 1: influence the political process, but to make sure the political

855
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: process was on an even keel kind of because it

856
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 1: was during an election, a very big, heated election, and

857
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 1: it was almost like he wanted to make sure the

858
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 1: voters were informed. But it's not his job to do that.

859
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: So why why did he Why did he come out

860
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: and say it like that? So, I mean, the investigation

861
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 1: is three months old at this point, right, it's I mean,

862
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: it's been going on for a while. He he said

863
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 1: it was important for the public to know, is in

864
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 1: their best interest that this was occurring, because it allows

865
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: him to make a more informed decision, That's what he's saying.

866
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: And yet he also says all along that he was

867
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: pretty sure they weren't going to prosecute her. So if

868
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: he can go so far as saying, hey, this is

869
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:47,720
Speaker 1: going on, why I'm confused? The lines here are really

870
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: weird to me. He also doesn't say specifically concretely why

871
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:57,320
Speaker 1: he chose to do this, Not only that Lynch tells him,

872
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: orders him, in fact, not to refer to it as

873
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: an investigation, but to refer to it as a matter

874
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: and the FBI interviews. Uh. Then presidential candidate Hillary Clinton

875
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: on July two, James Comey is not there. Yep, it's

876
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 1: a good quote. He says, he wasn't there because I'm

877
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 1: the FBI director at this point, and the FBI director

878
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 1: only on TV is the director jumping out of helicopters

879
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: and conducting interviews. His job, he says, is to make

880
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 1: the final decisions. Um, the people on the ground will

881
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: do the interviews. They have been, he says, actually investigating

882
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:39,359
Speaker 1: her and crawling around her life for a year. Uh.

883
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,240
Speaker 1: And he says that's the way it should be. Who

884
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: makes sense if Conal made all the decisions that did

885
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: all the interviews here with people for shows, I mean,

886
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 1: what kind of organization would we be? Conal Conald Byrne

887
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 1: is our boss. I don't remember if we've mentioned him

888
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 1: on this show specifically. I think so. But you can

889
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,240
Speaker 1: check out some of his films. I'll drop I'll drop

890
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 1: that bomb and is it career. You can probably find

891
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: something about that that's been wiped from the internet, my friend. Yeah,

892
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: that's that's Uh. We don't like washed. The truth changes,

893
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: as they say in The Pentagon, we don't lie. The

894
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: truth changes. He who controls the past controls the future. Well,

895
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: if anything, watched The Vault on Netflix and see him

896
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 1: as a bank manager. He actually has my favorite role

897
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:24,320
Speaker 1: in that film to fit the old. Thing that scares

898
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: me is bad loan, good line. No spoilers, but we're

899
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 1: just you know, we're getting close to time and we

900
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 1: have so many revelations. It's probably fair to say that

901
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: came out of the book. Do you guys want to

902
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: launch your list of you? Sounds like a plane and

903
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 1: we've certainly like listed some already. But man, it's just

904
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 1: I wouldn't exactly call it an embarrassment of riches, um,

905
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 1: but it's there's some gems. Uh. What's one that really

906
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 1: stuck out to you know? Um? Well, that he is

907
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 1: against impeachment, That comy is against impeachment. I was going

908
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 1: to bring that up earlier, and we talked about the

909
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 1: Watergate scandal, um and all of that, and you know,

910
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 1: the Clinton administration. Um, it's just and you know, even

911
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 1: given the fact that he another revelation is that he

912
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 1: said Donald Trump was unfit for office, he still doesn't

913
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 1: think that he should be impeached because of the the

914
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 1: inherent stability that brings to a political system or the

915
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 1: way it touches upon rule of law. He says he

916
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: would prefer that the people remove an unfit president via

917
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 1: an election, via the vote. Recall, it makes sense to me. Yeah,

918
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:42,240
Speaker 1: but that's uh, that burden is very high on the people,

919
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 1: it really is. And he also says, quote, as a citizen,

920
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 1: I think we owe it to each other to get

921
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 1: off the couch and think about what unites us. Yeah.

922
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a very difficult thing to disagree with,

923
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: regardless of what you think should be uniting people. And

924
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: then earlier, knowl you had also mentioned Donald Trump's motivation

925
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 1: as Comy saw it for investigating the allegations of Russian interference.

926
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 1: You said it wasn't all, um, just a political concern. No,

927
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 1: he I mean he quoted Trump and saying that if

928
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 1: there's even a one percent chance that Milania thought that

929
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 1: this was true, he wanted it quashed. And like we

930
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, in the show. This was one of the

931
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: first conversations they had. And one thing that's interesting about

932
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 1: all of this stuff, stuff in the book, stuff in

933
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 1: the interview, is it could be argued that comy is

934
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 1: he's he's not really practicing what he preaches. He's he's

935
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 1: being a little purient. He's he's throwing he's slinging mud here.

936
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 1: He's he's not exactly he's sort of descending from his

937
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 1: place on the shining mountaintop, you know, to kind of

938
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: wallow in the muck here a little bit. And he

939
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,879
Speaker 1: says some petty things. One great example of this would

940
00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 1: be talking about hands, which was such gold for comics

941
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: and comedians and comedy shows leading up to the election. Uh.

942
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 1: He he comes off pretty petty, a lot of his

943
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 1: critics would say in the book where he says, uh,

944
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 1: I made as he extended his hand, I made a

945
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,479
Speaker 1: mental note to check its size. It was smaller than mine,

946
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 1: but did not seem unusually so usually. So again we're

947
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 1: talking about like what is he six something, and just

948
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 1: just back on the p tape thing real quick, and

949
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 1: then we'll move on here. This is what he said,

950
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 1: and I just feel like this is a little snipy.

951
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: He says, I honestly never thought these words would come

952
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 1: out of my mouth. But I honestly don't know whether

953
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: the current president of the United States was with prostitutes

954
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: peeing on each other in Moscow. It's possible, but I

955
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 1: don't know, And it's just become on. Come on, bro.

956
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 1: At that point, after you make such a repeated and

957
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 1: consistent habit of telling people that you have a higher loyalty,

958
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: you've got the rule of law, it comes out. It

959
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: feels a little off. Regardless again, where you fall in

960
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: the argument, it feels off to, Asnal said, descend from

961
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 1: that point to drop to drop some hot shade about

962
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 1: hands and urination tapes. Well, one thing that was less petty,

963
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: but a really interesting observation was pulling in his experience

964
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: with the Cosa Nostra, with with the mafia and then

965
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 1: how he interacted with Trump. And we kind of mentioned

966
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 1: this earlier, but just comparing his initiation ceremony that he

967
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 1: had with Trump, the whole coming into the office asking

968
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 1: for loyalty, and comparing that to the initiation rituals of

969
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 1: the Cosa Nostra where they have this silent circle of assent,

970
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 1: where everybody around them just gives them their loyalty and loyalty.

971
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 1: Yeah they're yeah, exactly, the loyalty and code to that

972
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 1: thing rather than what they're in office for. It's fascinating

973
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 1: to me, It is fascinating. But that being said, Donald

974
00:58:56,120 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: Trump has been linked to the mob through his casino deals. UM.

975
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: There there are on record links between Donald Trump and

976
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 1: the mob, especially in the nineteen eighties, UM through the

977
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: mafia's control over unions UM in New York City. This

978
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 1: is a known thing. Labor supplies, building construction supplies, UM,

979
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 1: and you know, and Donald Trump is all about getting

980
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 1: a good deal. And it's been pretty clearly linked that

981
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 1: he had connections with Actually a guy by the name

982
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 1: of James B. Jacobs, who's a mafia expert. UM was

983
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 1: part of a task force on organized crime. UM went

984
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 1: so far as to say that was the fact of life,

985
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 1: that was the way it was. Is him talking to PolitiFact.

986
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: The contractors and developers weren't pure victims. You could bribe

987
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 1: the mob controlled union leaders and get relief from the

988
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 1: more arduous conflicts. But we had no information that Trump

989
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 1: was any different as a building impresario. So I'm just

990
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 1: saying he's it's a little bit of a cheap shot

991
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: still though, isn't it right, Because that's for all intents

992
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 1: and purposes, how business was done in those days. If

993
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: you're a building magnate, you're you're probably in some respect

994
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 1: to New York City crossing paths with the mafia in

995
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 1: some way. So but he he knows that, and he

996
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 1: uses that in as a way to throw more shade

997
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: at Trump, especially in the way he characterizes this kissing

998
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 1: of the ring kind of meeting. Yeah, this is definitely

999
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 1: the most epic takedown of a boss in a while.

1000
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 1: But when I say epic takedown, I just mean like

1001
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 1: getting to air your grievances about your boss in public

1002
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 1: and then make money on it. Well, yeah, that's the

1003
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 1: other thing, is he is making money. This is I

1004
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 1: think due to uh certain his activities. Says net worth

1005
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 1: was already estimated to be around fourteen million dollars, so

1006
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 1: he's not desperately sweating a mortgage. And that's fair, Ben,

1007
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 1: that's a very good point. Um. I I just wonder

1008
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 1: what Trump was thinking when he fired this man, Like

1009
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 1: what what must he have been protecting for the risk

1010
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 1: of having this man out in the world. Spewing all

1011
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 1: this stuff. Well, it may it may not even be

1012
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 1: that kind of calculation. May just be I need a

1013
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 1: unified team that goes when I say go, you know

1014
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like I can see that, because, um,

1015
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 1: the only other how rare is it for an FBI

1016
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 1: director to get fired? The only other uh director he

1017
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 1: got fired was doing the Bill Clinton administration. And out

1018
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 1: of out of the seven FBI directors that have ever

1019
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 1: existed here in the US to have been fired, the

1020
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 1: odds are not looking great, like because you see how

1021
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 1: weird it is the frame that that fact. You can

1022
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 1: say he was only ever the second fired, or you

1023
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 1: can say out of seven to have been fired. It

1024
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 1: makes it. I don't know, it makes a big difference.

1025
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 1: But here's one thing that's stuck out to me on

1026
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 1: that still freaks me out just a little bit. And

1027
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 1: I hope it's not a permanent thing. This may sound

1028
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 1: a little bit like dry medical stuff and might fade

1029
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 1: from the national conversation, and it might even for some

1030
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 1: some of us in the audience, sounds like there's no

1031
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know other than those memos.

1032
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 1: But this could not be further from the truth, because

1033
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 1: you see to this day as we record this, the

1034
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 1: same day that the original night Stalker was finally caught

1035
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 1: in Sacramento, uh or for his crimes. Uh This, this

1036
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 1: fact remains. James Comey has a secret. In his book,

1037
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 1: Comy cites a quote development still unknown to the American

1038
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 1: public to this day. This mysterious development, he says, was

1039
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 1: central to his decision to intervene publicly in the Hillary

1040
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 1: Clinton campaign email scandal. But wait, you might be asking,

1041
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 1: didn't all the big secrets already come out? Didn't we

1042
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 1: already know all about this email controversy? Doesn't? Pretty much

1043
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 1: everyone admit that Russia hacked the U S Election system.

1044
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 1: I mean Comy himself does, obviously, and he maintains the

1045
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 1: threat of this sort of interview arts will only increase

1046
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 1: in the future, mainly because, in his opinion, again according

1047
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 1: to him, it works so well in twen but nope,

1048
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 1: with a hard p in his book, you see, Comey

1049
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 1: insists that this secret, whatever it is, will likely remain

1050
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 1: classified for decades, and this led journalists and newspapers to

1051
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 1: speculate that the secret must be deeply embarrassing whatever it

1052
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 1: is to f the FBI to Comy, maybe to the

1053
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 1: intelligence agency that presented that intercepted likely fake document um

1054
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 1: or the one that he thinks is not of credible providence.

1055
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 1: We don't know which US agency supplied this information to

1056
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 1: Comey and the FBI. Did the FBI only discover it

1057
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 1: was likely fake after questioning the U S citizens named

1058
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 1: in the intercept. Does he think the U. S Intelligence

1059
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 1: officials were being sincere or were they trying to play

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Speaker 1: him too? And who did he speak to about intervening

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Speaker 1: and making that announcement. Did someone encourage him to do

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Speaker 1: it with an earlier We don't know the agencies we

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Speaker 1: rely on to fight these intelligence wars. But in this regard,

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Speaker 1: if all this stuff is true, either fell for Russian

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Speaker 1: info or knowingly exploited it even though they knew it

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Speaker 1: was fake. And Yeah, and it looks like this kind

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Speaker 1: of stuff will continue off air. As we were recording

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Speaker 1: this episode, we were talking about whether or not this

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Speaker 1: is a two parter, and at the very least, it

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Speaker 1: sounds like we'll have to make some sort of update

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Speaker 1: because the story is not over. Yeah, I completely agree,

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Speaker 1: and I'm I'm just gonna give you my not prediction,

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Speaker 1: but this is what I think happened with that secret.

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Speaker 1: I think they uncovered something when going through the Clinton

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Speaker 1: email service, especially with the whom Aberdeen stuff. I think

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Speaker 1: they discovered something in there that's really embarrassing but cannot

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Speaker 1: come out because it would too many people would be implicated,

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Speaker 1: and would it impair rule of law? I think it might. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: one last thing for talking about secrets, there's one other

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Speaker 1: bomb that was dropped that I only saw reported on

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Speaker 1: Fox News. It was that Comy kind of hinted um

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Speaker 1: at there being a secret regarding Attorney General former Attorney

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Speaker 1: General Loretta lynch Um and he said that should it

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Speaker 1: come out, it could potentially have been used as political

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Speaker 1: um ammunition um to cast serious doubt, he says, quote

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Speaker 1: on the Attorney general's independence and connection with the Clinton investigation,

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Speaker 1: implying that she had skin in the game, and her

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Speaker 1: telling Comy to call it a matter. He was not

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Speaker 1: cool with that instead of an investigation. So there you know,

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Speaker 1: secrets abound. So yeah, is that a secret? Different from

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Speaker 1: what I detailed about likely remaining classified for decades? How

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Speaker 1: many secrets out there? We really don't know. To take

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Speaker 1: that famous quote, we have some unknown unknowns, right, so

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Speaker 1: you will probably see continuing updates regarding this, this account

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Speaker 1: of the investigation, and surely I would predict that there's

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Speaker 1: going to be uh, someone else coming out that has

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Speaker 1: either new information contradicting this or adding to this, maybe

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Speaker 1: even personal information about Comey himself. It's difficult to call

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Speaker 1: right and at this point we want to hear from you.

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Speaker 1: Do you think do you think that anything will come

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Speaker 1: of this? Do you think that James Comey has a

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Speaker 1: solid motivation for what he believes to pursue what he

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Speaker 1: believes to be the truth? Do you think he's just

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Speaker 1: trying to sell books? Do you think this is legitimate

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Speaker 1: stuff or do you think it is, in the words

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Speaker 1: of so many journalists, a witch hunt. We'd like to

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Speaker 1: know what do you think that big secret is that

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Speaker 1: he has hinted at, either with Loretta Lynch or with

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Speaker 1: something else and someone else. Honestly, we we'd love to

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