WEBVTT - Bonus: Better Call Bob

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<v Speaker 1>From my Heart Media. This is Missing in Alaska, the

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<v Speaker 1>story of two congressmen who vanished in nineteen seventy two

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<v Speaker 1>and my quest to figure out what happened to them.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host John Wallzac. On October, right before I

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<v Speaker 1>flew back to Anchorage with Paul Decant, our supervising producer,

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<v Speaker 1>I placed an important call. Paul and I, along with

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<v Speaker 1>our captains Mark and Andy, had just visited the exact

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<v Speaker 1>spot in Poor Duchess where Bob Martinson found part of

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<v Speaker 1>assessment tale. Sometime around night. We all had follow up

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<v Speaker 1>questions for Bob. So I put my phone on speaker

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<v Speaker 1>and hey, Bob, I'm with Andy and Mark and so

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<v Speaker 1>so Bob. So they had a few questions, and I

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<v Speaker 1>figured before I left, um they know the area better,

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<v Speaker 1>that I would let them ask the questions. Is that okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not looking at the map. I'm I'm driving, So

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<v Speaker 1>I mean anyway, go ahead, okay, so drive carefully boy? Yeah. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>so our our questions. So we had gone into four

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<v Speaker 1>dutches and uh trying to help figure out a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more of this lead of um where to look

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<v Speaker 1>and and then we also had some specific questions. One

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<v Speaker 1>of them. I guess we could start with that. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>so you were saying, do you remember the boat you

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<v Speaker 1>were saying on Yeah, I ended up owning that. That

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<v Speaker 1>was my dad's both the ocean wave ocean wave okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and so how how big is the ocean wave? It

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<v Speaker 1>was a thirty two footer, like one of those Charlie

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<v Speaker 1>Moore staying boats. Like, uh, I don't know if you

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<v Speaker 1>remember that if you were around when the George A

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<v Speaker 1>and the Shirley Age those kind of votes were around. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I know, I know exactly what you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I had the same per minute. I helped

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<v Speaker 1>build that boat, and uh, it would have been that

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<v Speaker 1>point or maybe the one out from it that wherever

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<v Speaker 1>it was fairly clear beach. Yeah, it looks like a

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<v Speaker 1>really good scene set right the spot that you selected,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it looked like it's right at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>a nice scrape like you could. Yeah, yeah, that's um.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember which way we were hooking, but I

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<v Speaker 1>brought it up in the league, not very far from

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<v Speaker 1>the beach, and it was the hotel section. And like

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<v Speaker 1>I told John, it didn't have any growth on it

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<v Speaker 1>or anything. It looked fairly recent but when I called

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<v Speaker 1>troopers to report it, they said the numbers came real

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<v Speaker 1>close to what they were looking for for that crash.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think I remember putting it on a tender

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<v Speaker 1>because we were still fishing, you know, And it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>like the days when you go back and forth it was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was when we were fishing all week long. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you could look store it or anything. What I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>they want to take it up a huge part of

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<v Speaker 1>the back deck or how big? How big of a

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<v Speaker 1>chunk did you find? It was the whole upright tail section, um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know the part that sticks up. It was shredded,

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<v Speaker 1>like it was sheared off right at the right, at

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<v Speaker 1>the bottom of the upright and you know, big sharp

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<v Speaker 1>sharks of metal on it. And it had I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if it had all the number or I recall

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<v Speaker 1>that they said it might have been one number off

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<v Speaker 1>for something, but they wanted to see it. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think it was red and white. And I also know

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<v Speaker 1>that my friend Mike Crawley, he died right near there,

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<v Speaker 1>crashing his plane into the cliff, but that was later.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe that he fished with Butch Johnson is um.

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<v Speaker 1>That might have been when he was fine. He was

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<v Speaker 1>spotting for him and Butch Johnson, and he was over

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<v Speaker 1>a big school inside of Constantine and he was losing

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<v Speaker 1>elevation because he was circling, and then he slammed into

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<v Speaker 1>a cliff and uh that plane was pretty much destroyed.

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<v Speaker 1>Not I don't know if it landed on the feature,

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<v Speaker 1>went in the water, but it wouldn't have been that plane,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think. I think it was earlier than that

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<v Speaker 1>that I found it. So that area that we were

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<v Speaker 1>was at the right spot. Yeah, that's that's the right spot.

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<v Speaker 1>So when we had just um, these guys were asking us,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, who might have been around, might have been

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<v Speaker 1>in the search, And so we went and talked to

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<v Speaker 1>Terry Kennedy and he told us, I think of that

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<v Speaker 1>plane that you were talking about, the spot ter um

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<v Speaker 1>and uh he he had actually trained with the pilot

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<v Speaker 1>Don Johnson, had some interesting info was flying that very

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<v Speaker 1>day and had been contacted about the weather and some

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<v Speaker 1>other stuff. But UM, yeah, so that so we were

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<v Speaker 1>we were in the right area. It sounds like, UM, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, you know, I don't have any idea,

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<v Speaker 1>um exactly what year that was. But the crash happened

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<v Speaker 1>in seventy two, and it was probably around eighty one

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere maybe before that. I started saying in seventy three

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<v Speaker 1>with my dad, and I'm pretty sure I was with

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<v Speaker 1>my dad at that time, so it was prere I

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<v Speaker 1>would guess. You don't happen to remember that piece, did

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't ended up on a tender? And then any

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<v Speaker 1>chance of remembering the name of that tender, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>But it took me a while to even think about,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, what happened to it. I knew somebody a minute.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, well, it would have been a tender because

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's the only one's going back to town, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, I don't know who the trooper was around

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<v Speaker 1>town then. I think it was before Jim Cavin was there.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember a guy named Bill Bagron or bag Roun. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he was the police chief. Yeah, Yeah, I knew his daughter, Julie. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he's he's since passed away. But I was trying to

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<v Speaker 1>find names of people who you might have talked to. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I talked to the trooper's office, because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>pretty serious when you find a piece of the plane,

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<v Speaker 1>and they wanted they wanted to see it and we

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<v Speaker 1>had no way to bring it at that time without

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<v Speaker 1>you know, giving up our season. So what company did

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<v Speaker 1>you fish for? Were you fishing for a specific processor? Well, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we was fished for more pack, but I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>when more pack turned into coffey or seafoods, but that

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<v Speaker 1>was that would have been I mean that was well

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<v Speaker 1>after I got here, it was still more packed, so

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that would have been in the nineties at

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<v Speaker 1>some point. But um, well, I was just thinking if

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<v Speaker 1>some old timers, you know, or fishmonger um could remember

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<v Speaker 1>something about, oh yeah, I came in on a tender

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, and something of that nature. It was

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<v Speaker 1>so long ago that this happened. I can't possibly remember

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<v Speaker 1>which tender we had. Yeah, well the processor might remember.

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<v Speaker 1>If there's some old retiree that might remember who was

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<v Speaker 1>taking fish in that area, maybe, you know, it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>along side of course. But yeah, my dad um was

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<v Speaker 1>pretty faithful to whatever company fished for. You know, he

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<v Speaker 1>was with Parks and Western before it turned into more

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<v Speaker 1>back and then stayed with them. And you know, New

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<v Speaker 1>England had tenders out there at that time and they

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<v Speaker 1>did some code tendering with more fac too, they had

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of those scows. I know Jim Rockin lives

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<v Speaker 1>down here by me, and he he ran one of

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<v Speaker 1>those same tenders. Bob, Bob, how confident are you that

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<v Speaker 1>you put it on a tender versus just leaving it

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<v Speaker 1>be and taking the numbers? Oh? No, I didn't. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't throw it away. I remember somebody taking it and

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<v Speaker 1>it would have been a tender, you know. Yeah, do

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<v Speaker 1>you remember when you you called the numbers, you talked

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<v Speaker 1>to the troopers and they expressed interest in it being

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<v Speaker 1>this plane. Do you know if it was just like

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<v Speaker 1>a casual like, oh, maybe this is related to it,

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<v Speaker 1>or were they pretty seriously interested that this could actually

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<v Speaker 1>be accurate numbers? Yeah, they were the ones that brought

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<v Speaker 1>it up. Apparently, you know, it was on their radar

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<v Speaker 1>that the plane was missing somewhere in that area. And uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know they're the ones that told me about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I I was shocked when they said that. But do

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<v Speaker 1>you remember do you remember if that was based on

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<v Speaker 1>like a general suspicion it might be the plane, or

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<v Speaker 1>if they told you that after they saw the numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember them saying something about the number being real

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<v Speaker 1>close to uh what they were looking for. So, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it beats me what year that was. But you said

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<v Speaker 1>around night, I think so you know, and you said

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<v Speaker 1>you said you think it was roughly four numbers that

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<v Speaker 1>were visible. No, I think there were five or six.

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<v Speaker 1>How many are on a tail? Six six on a tail? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was. It was pretty much the whole tail section.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it was shredded at the bottom, like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's kind of where the number ran. Well, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's really fascinating. If they did base that suspicion that

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<v Speaker 1>it was the missing plane on the characters, and you

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<v Speaker 1>had four or five of the six characters, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that would almost not definitively, but it would come close

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<v Speaker 1>to definitively saying that it was from that plane. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm curious. Was it a red and white plane? Do

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<v Speaker 1>you remember it was white and like burnt orange? So

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't. I haven't found any photos of it, and

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<v Speaker 1>I've been asking people. Um, but yeah, so I know

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<v Speaker 1>it was. It was white and orange orange. I'm shade blind,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm color blamed, so orangepted me. Yeah. Well, um, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I was. I was really fascinated when you

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<v Speaker 1>email me in and then I you know. We we

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<v Speaker 1>made it over to Cordova. We met Andy and Mark

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<v Speaker 1>and I had no idea that they knew you. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's been, uh, it's been an interesting experience. We

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<v Speaker 1>went out into Port Duchess and um, we want to

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<v Speaker 1>come back with more equipment. Um. So we had a

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a limited amount of time and we use

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<v Speaker 1>the R O V S. But um, but yeah, do

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<v Speaker 1>you all have any other marketing Andy, do you guys

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<v Speaker 1>have any other questions? So? Did it seem to be

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<v Speaker 1>off of that smooth you're talking about, like the scour? No,

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<v Speaker 1>it made sense from what Bob was saying about, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>where you do a scrape for a saying that, and

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<v Speaker 1>then where you don't and where you don't And and

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<v Speaker 1>we surveyed the area where you'd scrape, and then we

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<v Speaker 1>got into the eel grass where you don't because it's

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<v Speaker 1>all jaggedy rock and that were you know that I say,

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<v Speaker 1>I remember, I remember a lot of rocks on the

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<v Speaker 1>outside of that area. Yeah, And we were looking for

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<v Speaker 1>a place we could set you know, and you want

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<v Speaker 1>to be on the furthest out spots so you get

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<v Speaker 1>more reach, you know. Yeah, And it's a perfect little

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<v Speaker 1>the perfect little spit that kind of we're all point

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<v Speaker 1>whatever that comes out there, nice smooth gravel beach. As

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<v Speaker 1>far as we could see into the water, it looked

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<v Speaker 1>really nice, and it looked like it was really clean

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<v Speaker 1>of growth like it's regularly used for saying so um.

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<v Speaker 1>And then as soon as we got to the rocks,

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<v Speaker 1>we got into lots of eel grass and kelp and

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<v Speaker 1>things like that, so we pretty confident we were in

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<v Speaker 1>the the spot that we were talking about. Yeah, we

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<v Speaker 1>used to set all the time across the mouth of

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<v Speaker 1>Constantine at high water, and and we catched so many

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<v Speaker 1>fish that the net wouldn't even move but just be

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<v Speaker 1>sitting on bottom and the tender would have to come

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<v Speaker 1>in scoop them out right there. And you know, occasionally

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<v Speaker 1>we fished over in that spot where I got the tail,

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<v Speaker 1>but that wasn't like a regularly fished spot back down. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know if they let them go up

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<v Speaker 1>into the that tight anymore. But up into the mouth

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<v Speaker 1>of the harbor there were markers at the mouth. That's

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<v Speaker 1>where we sat. That that was the markers set. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>huh yeah, well neat spot and uh before the hat

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<v Speaker 1>trees that would have been. We had to pick up

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<v Speaker 1>before we got to that dolf tea looking rock out

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<v Speaker 1>below it. And you know, it was nice when we

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<v Speaker 1>caught so many fish that the net didn't move. Yeah, Pin,

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<v Speaker 1>you're right there. That's cool. Yeah, Well, thank you, Bob.

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<v Speaker 1>Y'all have any other questions. Okay, I've apreciate it, Bob,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for talking to us again. Yeah, okay, well, good luck, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks so much. Take care, good winter. But huh so

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<v Speaker 1>he remembers what the trooper's reaction, so it's they got here.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's quite a bit of difference there. That what

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<v Speaker 1>I was thinking when he said the whole tail section.

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<v Speaker 1>I was thinking of this plane. I probably didn't convey

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<v Speaker 1>it just the top of the tail. And then looking

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<v Speaker 1>at the that's not three tens um, you can see that.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes the number up here has got most of the

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<v Speaker 1>time the number is down there. Yeah, and that's why

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<v Speaker 1>I've been trying to find a picture of the actual plane.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't found any yet. There's a three ten when

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<v Speaker 1>it's not a tail, and some of it it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like right there. This one, this one I pulled

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<v Speaker 1>up because if you broke that off and it was

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<v Speaker 1>ripped off, you might be able to get most of

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<v Speaker 1>the Numbers's interesting that says seven. I think the three

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<v Speaker 1>tenths to was fifty nine, so that's close to when

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<v Speaker 1>the the c would have been produced. And a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of them have it the number is down here, and

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<v Speaker 1>then some have it way up way up there, so

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<v Speaker 1>the number moves around, which is good to know. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it would be very fascinating now to find a picture

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<v Speaker 1>of the plane because if you found a picture of

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<v Speaker 1>the plane and the number was a little bit further

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<v Speaker 1>up where it would have been on like the upright piece.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that would at least wouldn't preclude the piece

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<v Speaker 1>that Bob found from being the right one. Well, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a really interesting a little more clarification. Um, the piece

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<v Speaker 1>got here obviously, so it's like who cares, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you know it's not I mean, you know what et

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<v Speaker 1>he or so did he give it to a tender

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<v Speaker 1>or to another sayer coming back because it broke down

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<v Speaker 1>or something? Question? I mean, would there be a possibility

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<v Speaker 1>that someone maybe would have like scrapped it to get money. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you could pick it up by hand, probably would some

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<v Speaker 1>fine more aluminum in my backyard would somebody have like

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<v Speaker 1>taken it and like I don't know it just not accidentally,

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<v Speaker 1>but like just dumped it in their sheds somewhere. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>and I mean they probably I can't imagine them not

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<v Speaker 1>taking it to the troopers. But well, they took it

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<v Speaker 1>to the troopers. They probably kept it. The troopers kept it,

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<v Speaker 1>not that they didn't some day throw it away because

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<v Speaker 1>it was taken up too much room. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what their processes. Um, you know, they take a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of photographs of it and maybe they don't need to

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<v Speaker 1>keep it around. I don't know, but that yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's very fascinating now. So he got to town the

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<v Speaker 1>troopers according to his memories, UH thought it was a

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<v Speaker 1>possible match at the very least. Um, so hm, five

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<v Speaker 1>or six numbers? How could you not like go on,

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