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Speaker 1: What's up everybody. Welcome back to move the sticks, DJ

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Speaker 1: Bucky back together. It's been a minute. Buck excited to

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Speaker 1: but is uh it's fun man. We got some football

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Speaker 1: So we'll kick it off. There also some other takeaways

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Speaker 1: and we have to figure out how to maximize how

427
00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,480
Speaker 1: he plays. But the talent is there, and so let's

428
00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:54,840
Speaker 1: make sure we give the grade for the talent, not

429
00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,000
Speaker 1: just the technique and some of the other stuff that

430
00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:58,840
Speaker 1: comes into it. So here's where it gets in here.

431
00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,560
Speaker 1: So we talked about four. Now there's five five quarterbacks.

432
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:03,680
Speaker 1: So I had four those guys in the top eight.

433
00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:08,760
Speaker 1: Mac Jones for me was my thirty second overall players,

434
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:10,960
Speaker 1: so it puts him in the first round range. But

435
00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:12,720
Speaker 1: I thought there was a gap between those four and

436
00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,040
Speaker 1: him now, and Mac got a lot of love for

437
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:16,680
Speaker 1: how he played, and you go back and watch it.

438
00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,560
Speaker 1: So the two words I wrote down were completion collector.

439
00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:21,639
Speaker 1: That's what he is. He's gonna go out there and

440
00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:25,240
Speaker 1: collect completions. Now, do I think that Mac Jones could

441
00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,359
Speaker 1: go to any of the thirty two teams and have success. No,

442
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,280
Speaker 1: I think these other four guys translate wherever you dropped him,

443
00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,040
Speaker 1: whatever NFL city, whatever offense, whatever team they can, they

444
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,600
Speaker 1: can play. I thought Mac was a little bit more

445
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:39,920
Speaker 1: dependent on his surroundings. But kudos to the Patriots because

446
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 1: they know who they are, they know who he is,

447
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,240
Speaker 1: and it's a good fit because if Patriots are gonna

448
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,200
Speaker 1: be in two back, they're gonna be in two tight ends.

449
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 1: They're gonna run, run, run, And then if they're gonna

450
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:50,639
Speaker 1: find themselves in a lot of third and threes and

451
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,320
Speaker 1: third and twos and third and fours, and they're gonna

452
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,600
Speaker 1: put Mac back there, sometimes gonna be off play action

453
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,560
Speaker 1: back football out, They're gonna go empty. Let him see

454
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,720
Speaker 1: the field. He's got great vision, boom ball out, He's not.

455
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna be capable of making those

456
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:08,120
Speaker 1: wow stick throws tight window stick throws. He's not gonna

457
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,880
Speaker 1: have to with this team very often. Is he gonna

458
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 1: be able to create an escape and make things happen?

459
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,120
Speaker 1: I don't think so. But they're gonna run it. They're

460
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 1: not gonna He's not gonna be under a lot of

461
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 1: duress and under a lot of pressure. They had a

462
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 1: good offensive line, So to me, I thought it was

463
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,879
Speaker 1: it was very efficient. He was very accurate. There was

464
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,200
Speaker 1: it was just kind of a completion collector style of play.

465
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,920
Speaker 1: He's there's no wow factor there, but it works. It's

466
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:33,639
Speaker 1: just kind of it's it's a fit for what they do.

467
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 1: And to be honest with you, he's a better fit

468
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 1: right now than Cam Newton is in this offense. Yeah,

469
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 1: as long as they're gonna play the way that they're playing, yes,

470
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 1: he's a better fit. Here's what I'll say. And I

471
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 1: wrote something coming off the Thursday night when I watched it,

472
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,160
Speaker 1: and I watched it twice and then I went back

473
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 1: and I wish I could have amended what I wrote.

474
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 1: He they can collect a bunch of completions, right, But

475
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,879
Speaker 1: then when I went back and watched it again, they

476
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,200
Speaker 1: really didn't ask him to do stuff that was very

477
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 1: complex or complicated, right, It was a handful of isolation routes,

478
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:11,920
Speaker 1: some ABC one to three play action passes. There's a

479
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 1: couple of crossers and those things. And then when you

480
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 1: look at the Stablina thirteen for nineteen for seven yards,

481
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 1: So it's not really a lot of stuff. And I

482
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 1: will say this about the five quarterbacks. The difference between

483
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 1: mac Jones and the other guys is I believe the

484
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 1: other guys could elevate average playmakers around him because their

485
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 1: talent elevates the offense. I think for mac Jones the

486
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,119
Speaker 1: pressure is on the Patriots to make sure that they

487
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:47,119
Speaker 1: have playmakers around him that can elevate his game, meaning

488
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 1: that they will need to be better at acquiring wide

489
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 1: receivers and playmakers because they need to create separation in space.

490
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,359
Speaker 1: You pointed out that he can't make a bunch of

491
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 1: tight win though throws, because he can in terms of

492
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 1: using this fastball to overpower it. So now those receivers

493
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 1: on the outside they have to win and win right

494
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 1: now or Josh McDaniels has to be exceptional with his

495
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 1: pen each and every week. He has to be on

496
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 1: his game to dissect the team that they're playing to

497
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 1: give mac Jones advantages when it comes to personnel, technical

498
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: situations and deployment and those things. He absolutely can win

499
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 1: at a high level in New England, but it's going

500
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 1: to be more of a collective effort between him supporting

501
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,679
Speaker 1: cast and staff more so than those other guys being

502
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 1: able to win at a high level. Yeah. And I

503
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 1: will say on the you know, on the yards per

504
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 1: tempt and all, that he had a fadeball that was dropped.

505
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 1: It was a good throw A touch thrower. He's a

506
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 1: touch thrower because people think touching, they think swinging shallow

507
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 1: crosses like, no, he's got touch over the top. No, No,

508
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,640
Speaker 1: I think what he's mastered is one. I think mac

509
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 1: Jones knows himself really really well. Mac Jones knows that

510
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 1: for him to push the ball down the field, he

511
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,679
Speaker 1: has to do much like Peyton Manning and some other

512
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 1: quarterbacks have to do it and up early and let

513
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: them run up under it. And people may, well, what

514
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: do you mean, No, when you don't have the strongest arm,

515
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 1: what you have to be able to do is get

516
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: it out immediately with more height and art and allow

517
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 1: your receiver to be able to run up under it.

518
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: Right now, when you have a strong arm like Josh Allen.

519
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 1: Josh Allon is the guy in the neighborhood that's like,

520
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 1: all right, go past the life O. Yeah, yeah, keep going,

521
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: keep going. And then he lets it go late because

522
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: he has so much arm. Mac Jones has to throw

523
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 1: it out on time or even earlier and allow the

524
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: receivers to catch it coming right out of the break,

525
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,120
Speaker 1: which is different. But he is mastered that skill because

526
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: when he's one of the best at it. Yeah, and look,

527
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 1: it's death by a million paper cuts. That's that's the

528
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: way the Patriots played with Tom. Now, the difference was

529
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,880
Speaker 1: Tom could have done. We saw in Tampa that Tom

530
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 1: can get vertical a lot more. They didn't ask him

531
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 1: to do that. That's not the way they play and

532
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 1: their early Patriots. And here's here's what I say the

533
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: Patriots that everyone needs to get under understand what we're

534
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: gonna see. The early two thousands Patriots, the Patriots that

535
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 1: won the game with David Gibbons and David Patton and

536
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 1: Troy Brown and those guys on the outside winning running

537
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 1: the football and winning a bunch of seventeen thirteen, twenties,

538
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: seventeen one games where the running game defense and the

539
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 1: way that they played football, situational football enable them to

540
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: win a ton of games. And he may have to

541
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: make two or three players a game to win. Yeah,

542
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: I do think. Yeah, it's it's gonna be old school

543
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 1: and they are gonna the rest of the league is

544
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 1: gonna be thrown it all over the place. The Patriots

545
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: gonna try and beat you up. Man, They're they're gonna

546
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 1: the're gonna beat you up. The're gonna take you in

547
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 1: the ring. They're gonna try and shrink the game to

548
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 1: get into the fourth quarter. And this is what they've

549
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 1: always done. You beat yourself, They wait for you to

550
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: crack and then they seize the opportunity. That this is

551
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: how they won forever. I believe that they've been at

552
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 1: one of the best in what we call the d

553
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: v O game. Don't beat our sales, penalties, turnovers, um balls,

554
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 1: final they don't do those things, and that it was

555
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: them to win a ton of games. So a couple

556
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 1: other takeaways from some rookies, UM, watch the Charger game.

557
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: Watch tape on that one. Um, I know you're playing backups,

558
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: but you can see movement and stuff like that. Rashaunse

559
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: later So infinitely better than what they've had at left

560
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 1: tackle for a long time. Like he is a major

561
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 1: upgrade for that offensive line. It's gonna really help Herbert Um.

562
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: And then you know that with Sewell, we talked about

563
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: it earlier with you know, do you really want to

564
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 1: move Walker a little to right tackle? Well, they moved

565
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: Seel the right tackle on Detroit. It's gonna be an adjustment, Buck,

566
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: I mean, he was not comfortable. He gave up a

567
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 1: sack Um, but there was that wasn't you know? He

568
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: got overpowered on another play. There's there's a couple of

569
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 1: players and run game. You can see his explosiveness and

570
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: you see him mall dudes in the run game. But

571
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 1: he was on the ground a little bit too much

572
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 1: there as well. I just I don't know, and I

573
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 1: and I look, I know I was, I was around Baltimore.

574
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: I came after this at half. But you know they

575
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: always talked about Ogden played guard his first year before

576
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: they had to put him a tackle. But man, for

577
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,719
Speaker 1: a guy who hadn't played a lot of football Um

578
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: and Pene Sewell and hadn't played much recently having him

579
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 1: switch over to the right side, I don't I don't

580
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 1: know that I like that move. Yeah, it might not

581
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: have been the best move for him right out the gate.

582
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: Like ideally, you want to give you guys the best

583
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: opportunity to be able to do it, and you wanted

584
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 1: to be comfortable, and he just doesn't look comfortable right now,

585
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: right Jack. We'll see if he can eventually get it.

586
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: But it was a struggle. I would say, Rickie just

587
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: stood out for me. Uh, there's a reason why we

588
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: went crazy over j Okay Jeremiah DJ. He was a

589
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: I mean, heat seeking missile. The next got to be

590
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: that hybrid second level defended that can go and make

591
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: a ton of plays. He was terrific. But let me

592
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 1: tell you us is terrific in that secondary Richard account. Yeah,

593
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: Richard Lecco out is all. Everybody bailed everybody, everybody, everybody

594
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: bailed off that ship boat. I was still I was

595
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: still hanging. I got my life jacket on, but I

596
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: was still holding on. Man. So once again, someone I

597
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: saw him in high school make a ton of plays.

598
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,959
Speaker 1: I watched him go to college. He makes a ton

599
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: of plays. He has great instincts and awareness and just

600
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: a feel for the game. And he a man the

601
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns. The Cleveland Browns are going to be a

602
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: team that we talked about for the next few years

603
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: because they are talented and they have done a great

604
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: job of like I mean, just for whatever reason, these

605
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: guys fail, right, they picked up really good football players,

606
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: and both of those guys stood out if you remember now,

607
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: they looked out because j K had that health scare,

608
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: the heart heart thing that ended up being nothing. But

609
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: that's why he was my fifteenth player for crying out loud.

610
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: Uh unbelievable steal. Richard LeCount its proby ran four seven

611
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: six and everybody, if you remember, everybody, oh I told

612
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: you this guy can't play. Everybody bailed on him. I'm

613
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: sitting you're going, yeah, that's great. His tapes really good.

614
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, when you talk to teams

615
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: with all the data, the GPS stuff for him is

616
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: just fine, which is another example, and we talked about

617
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: it a lot. And the run up last year with

618
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: the draft, people are gonna be throwing forties out. Man,

619
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: they've got GPS stuff, So I don't care he ran

620
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: four seven six, It doesn't matter. He plays a lot

621
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: faster than that. In terms of the percentile he's in

622
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: the whatever percentile for for the position or percentile whatever

623
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: he was. You can have your four seven six and

624
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: drop him down your draft board. I'll keep him right

625
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: where he is. And DJ it just shows and and

626
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: it's one of those things that we always talking about.

627
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: You gotta trust your eyes when you look at him

628
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: and you watch him play, and he makes play after

629
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: play after play after play. Those guys tend to make

630
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: plays at the next level and so the count more.

631
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: Both of those guys really really stood out to me.

632
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: I can't get enough of just talking about how those

633
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: guys are able to to do what they do. Um

634
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: oh you talked about about certain By the way, Rousseau

635
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: is funny to me too, because that's another one of

636
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: them that just got beat up. Man. He just gotta

637
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: beat up to the process unfairly and and finishing is

638
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: a Russo is my eighteenth player Buck the uh people,

639
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: this is my thing. This is gonna be a kid

640
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: that eight years from now, after he's been to you know,

641
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: a couple of Pro Bowls, they're still gonna be people

642
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: on Twitter. He didn't get hit. That wasn't his sack,

643
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: that was the other guy. He just mopped it up.

644
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, you know what, this guy's been mopping

645
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: up double digit sacks for seven eight years, so I'm

646
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: okay with that. They still count. And he's a finisher.

647
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: That there's that's a skill, that's a trait, that's a finisher.

648
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: Oh he beat up on guards at Miami. I don't

649
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: care that. Last I checked, they still count. They still

650
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: marked the ball where you tackle the guy. I'm I'm

651
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: I'm all the way in on him because I told

652
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: you he reminded me a lot of Jason Pierre Paul

653
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: what I saw, the long arms to live and those things.

654
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: And I don't know if it will clicked the first year.

655
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: By the second year, I expect him to be a

656
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: force because they say, you just don't find guys who

657
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: have that kind of athleticism and length that typically don't

658
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: get it done. And the fact that I don't get

659
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: what you say fitting and half sex and that's a

660
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of your over game and you

661
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: see it. He has a feel for it. And I

662
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: think the thing that still resonates with me is when

663
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: we had a chance to talk to him before he

664
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: even came out during the fall, when he was sitting

665
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: out in his articulation of pass rushing techniques and maneuvers

666
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: and how he went about it just felt like he

667
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: he understood the craft and he was going to be

668
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: really really good at finding a way to be a

669
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: dominant pass rusher technically, which is something that you see

670
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: each week when you look at Joey Bosa, yus. You

671
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: just have the skill to be able to make it happen.

672
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: And that's what's funny too, is people are gonna back

673
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: to Slater, who's he playing against with the Rams they

674
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: wen't playing against yet, Well, you know he's doing it

675
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: against Joey Bosa every day in practice. Last I checked,

676
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: is pretty good. He's pretty fastballs. He's getting fastballs on

677
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: the daily basis, which it made much better. Um, a

678
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: couple more rookie here to highlight real quick Javonte Williams

679
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: from what the Broncos easy man, it's not hard to

680
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: come on, um ump right away. Well, I think we

681
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: might have referenced it a little bit earlier, but sir

682
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: tan Um obviously with the pick six, he just looks.

683
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: There's guys that it's kind of a weird word for scouting.

684
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: I don't know where the word you use he's beautiful.

685
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: He's absolutely he looks beautiful out there, man, Like that

686
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: is how you want a corner to look, move and

687
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: play like that is. Yeah, look that looks what That's

688
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: what it's supposed to look like. You know. It's funny

689
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: because like it's it's easy when we're looking at corners

690
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: and those things to get caught up in. Maybe the

691
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: more dynamic athlete and those things. I think with Certant,

692
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: I just think he just kind of quietly went about

693
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: his business and he was so refined that maybe you

694
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: get bored because you're looking at the guy that is

695
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: really really polished, and sometimes we go for upside because

696
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: it appeared to other guys like you have been to

697
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,240
Speaker 1: get more upside. But he's just a steady, itty player

698
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: and he's a what you see, what you is, what

699
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: you get type player. What you saw at Alabama is

700
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: exactly what you're getting in the pros. And it just

701
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 1: kind of works. Yeah. No, um, real quick here, just

702
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: kind of going around on my tour, we kind of

703
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: talked about it with a lot of these rickey quarterbacks

704
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 1: because I you know, different places I went Philadelphia, Um, look,

705
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: Davonte Smith, he was down for a little bit. He's

706
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: coming back right now. He's gonna be their best receiver.

707
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,919
Speaker 1: He's gonna be their number one receiver. He's as advertised,

708
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 1: first one in, last one out as a worker, he's

709
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: a pro already. He's gonna be really, really good. Um,

710
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: they're good in the trenches on both sides. I got

711
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: a lot of depth on the offensive line of the

712
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: defensive line. Javon Hargrave is gonna have a big year.

713
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: If Josh Sweat can stay healthy, he's gonna have a

714
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: big year. Obviously. You know what you have with with

715
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: Brandon Graham and with with Fletcher Cox. It's a it's

716
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: a good group in the trenches. Now. Quarterback was not

717
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: great today. I was there with Jalen Hurts. It's gonna

718
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: be a little bit, you know of a slog at times.

719
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: He's gonna have to run it a ton buck and

720
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: I think they know that. I don't know how much

721
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 1: you're gonna see that in the preseason, but you're going to,

722
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 1: you know, cross your fingers and toes. You can stay healthy.

723
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 1: But they gotta run him, Yeah, they gotta run him.

724
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: I don't reports were good about how he performed and

725
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: uh against the Patriots and those. He's a lights on

726
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: guy too. He's a light song guy. I think the

727
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 1: best thing about Jalen I think his best qualities are

728
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,879
Speaker 1: the intangibles. And I'm gonna say this, and I said

729
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,720
Speaker 1: this when he was coming out to me. He reminds

730
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,280
Speaker 1: me a lot of Dak Prescott, where it's the entire

731
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: package is just not the individual parts that enable him

732
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 1: to be good. Is his connectivity with his teammates, is

733
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: his leadership ability, is all of that other stuff. And

734
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: then when you talk about the lights, he's a light

735
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: song guy. When the lights come on, he tends to

736
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: rise to the occasion. I just believe he's wired the

737
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: right way that he'll find a way to be successful.

738
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: Now does that success mean that he's ever gonna be

739
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: a top ten quarterback, I don't know, but I think

740
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: he can be a winning quarterback in the league just

741
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: because his leadership ability and the way that he holds

742
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: his teammates to a high standard. If surrounded by a

743
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: talented collection of people, he can be very, very successful. Yeah. Um,

744
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: it's gonna be interesting to see how that team does.

745
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 1: See uh, you know again, I think with them and

746
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 1: the Jets secondary, how the corner groups come along will

747
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: be key. The Jets have a really good dealne too.

748
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 1: Once you get Quentin Williams out there, um to put

749
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: him next to Karl Lowson. They've got a lot of

750
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: depth up front and the defensive tackle groups specifically, so

751
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,240
Speaker 1: in another end, they've got a lot of young corners

752
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 1: they're relying on. But that defense was sala uh. That's

753
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: a lot of zone. Will be a lot off coverage.

754
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 1: They'll be able to just kind of uh um, keep

755
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: keep from giving up big plays hopefully um and go

756
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: that route, have help over the top when they're up

757
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 1: so um. It'll be interesting to see how that group

758
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: comes together. The Ravens I was out there. It's too deep,

759
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: deep front seven man, lots of linebackers, UM, lots of

760
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: lots of pass rushers. It's a it's a they look

761
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: good man. There's some teams you go out there and

762
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: just look at them on the we we would say

763
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: in scouting like look at a team on the hoof,

764
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: like how do they all look out there? Like body

765
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 1: type wise, all the way across the board, they look

766
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: like a Ravens team. You know they're they're long, athletic, physical, Yeah,

767
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 1: they they are a talent, tald you. The intrigue for

768
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 1: me is on how are they going to use Lamar

769
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: Jackson and how often would they put him under center?

770
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: There's been in that conversation when they put him under center.

771
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: To me, I think he's a more dangerous threat for

772
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: them when he is under center, and I think people

773
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: forget it. Louisville. He went up on the center and

774
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 1: did the stretch boo. They did the rollout come out

775
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: of the back door. Uses athleticism as a run pass

776
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: option on the perimeter. I would like to see him

777
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: do a little more of that because I think it

778
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: takes some of the pressure off of him to always

779
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: have to be the A plus decision maker when you're

780
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: running so much, zone read so much. How are we? Yeah?

781
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,479
Speaker 1: And I would buy all the J. K. Dobbins stock

782
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: you can get your hands on. They're gonna run in

783
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: a ton as always. And he looks good and he's

784
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: just he's he's there type of guy. He's just rugged,

785
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: rough and rugged. Um. I know over shot Babin. It

786
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: suffered a little injury. He was out there when I

787
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: was out there. He's fluid and Smoothie dropped one he

788
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: had off sides a couple off sides penalty the day

789
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: I was there. But you also saw the fluidity in

790
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: him making some plays tv D on that one. I

791
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of ability in his body. Um,

792
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: you gotta stay healthy first of all. But that's that's

793
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: a tv D from me. How about telling him how's Wallace? One? Um?

794
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: Wallace made a couple of plays. I believe the day

795
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: I was there over the top. You know the guy

796
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 1: who went off the day I was there was you

797
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 1: remember Kane, the wide receiver from Dion Kane, which of

798
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 1: course everybody aways cautions. I guess he's been kind of

799
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 1: a preseason wonder darling in years past. But he does tease.

800
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 1: He looked good that I think he's he teased for

801
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: a while that in and now because he might have

802
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: had a c L slowed him down the following year.

803
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: Go he but he's always been a premier talent. Now

804
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 1: he's been the Premiere Challenge since he was in high school.

805
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: But he has big But I do remember seeing some

806
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: of the reports coming out of there about him, and

807
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: they say, Sammy Watkins, Sammy Watkins, Okay, Sam, He's gotta

808
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: just stay healthy, man, Like you know, he's he's never

809
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: going to be the guy we hoped he was gonna be,

810
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: you know, that elite, premiere, premier guy. But he's still

811
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 1: physical and tough and strong. He's got some shorter e quickness.

812
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: You just gotta stay healthy. Managed to avoid these soft

813
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: tissue injuries that have got him over the years. Yeah, bro,

814
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: he was my second player coming to that draft. Second,

815
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 1: he said. I mean he's a playmaker. He's a big

816
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: time playmaker. Like he just lived up. He has not

817
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: lived up to that unfortunately. I mean, but I don't,

818
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know like that. I sat there

819
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: and watched it was a Taylon Austin Jaguars's he's I

820
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: think we're turning or whatever he was he ye eighth

821
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 1: overall and those things that mean sometimes sometimes it happens.

822
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: But hey, I mean, guys are nearing eight nineteen years

823
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: in the league. I mean it's some kind of a success. Yeah,

824
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: it may not be what we wanted it to be,

825
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: but it's some kind of success. They get that much.

826
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: Appreciate you not mentioning. I appreciate you not mentioning Kevin White.

827
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: All right, let's let's wrap let's wrap, wrap this thing up. Man,

828
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: anything else you want to jump in here before we

829
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Speaker 1: get out. No, this is great, man, I look forward.

830
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,879
Speaker 1: Uh what we got another one on Thursday. Yep, yep,

831
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: we're back, man. Talk about some of the stuff that's

832
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: going on. Get ready to look at some of the

833
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: preview some of the games, and some of the things

834
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: that we're following. I'm looking forward to it, man. I'm

835
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 1: gonna try and get out and see if if i

836
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 1: can't get out there a little bit of that joint

837
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: practice with the Chargers and the Niners. Uh. See those

838
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 1: guys go up against the Bosa reunion out there. See

839
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 1: those guys get after it. Be fun, all right, that's

840
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: gonna do it for Appreciate you guys hanging. We'll catch

841
00:40:47,160 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 1: you next time. Right here, I'll move the sticks forout.

842
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:07,240
Speaker 1: Have got to move fout, Dar