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Speaker 1: Hello, my gorgeous people. Welcome to the Give Them La

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Speaker 1: La Podcasts. What a crazy weekend? What a crazy you know?

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Speaker 1: Monday Tuesday. Well we're recording this on a Monday, so

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Speaker 1: it'll air on a Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: But how do you feeling, Jess, I'm feeling good. Welcome back,

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you you guys. I was home with

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Speaker 2: a bit of a cult. But tis the season. I

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Speaker 2: guess that's what I've heard.

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Speaker 1: So tell me about your weekend. It's been a crazy

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Speaker 1: weekend with Roe versus Wade. I won't lie that was

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Speaker 1: a tough one. I'm not a podcast or person that

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Speaker 1: ventures into my beliefs. I will say this is the

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Speaker 1: one thing that I go this is my fucking body,

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Speaker 1: and how dare you think you have the right to

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Speaker 1: tell me what the fuck to do with it? That

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Speaker 1: hits me closely. For anyone who read my book, I

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Speaker 1: have had an abortion. This is a topic who has

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Speaker 1: affected me personally, women who I know, personally, people I

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Speaker 1: don't even know. It's affected And I got a lot

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Speaker 1: of people when I posted about it. I wanting to

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Speaker 1: go on rampages saying unfollow I think you should unfollow me,

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Speaker 1: because if that's something you're not on my same page.

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Speaker 1: I'm not the person for you, especially a woman who

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Speaker 1: thinks that this doesn't affect them. If you don't see

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Speaker 1: eye to eye with me on this topic, I'm not

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Speaker 1: for you. Yeah, And I'm sure I lost a lot

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Speaker 1: of followers. Great, goodbye.

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Speaker 2: This is a heartbreaking time for all women in America

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Speaker 2: and it's fucked up.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly what it is. And I am just was.

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Speaker 1: I was pretty devastated by all of what happened, and

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people were as well. And

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Speaker 1: one person saying in the state of cal you'll be fine,

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Speaker 1: you can just travel. I'm like, Okay, So the thirteen

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Speaker 1: year old who gets pregnant in a horrific way, all

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Speaker 1: she has to do is travel to a different stage, Yes,

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Speaker 1: because that's easy.

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Speaker 2: It's beyond ignorant and disgusting. And that you can just travel,

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Speaker 2: What are you talking about? You think people everyone can

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Speaker 2: just Yes, there are a lot of people can just travel.

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Speaker 2: But you think that everyone can just pick up and

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Speaker 2: just go to the next state.

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Speaker 1: Your privilege is fine showing which you Yeah, and you've

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Speaker 1: made it right a third or whatever.

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Speaker 2: A young person. Yeah, someone who doesn't have I've got

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Speaker 2: a ton of friends who've experienced this young fifteen years old.

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Speaker 2: Not a ton of friends, but a couple of friends

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Speaker 2: young fifteen years old got pregnant. If their parents would

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Speaker 1: And guess what I can get when things make sense, Jess,

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Speaker 1: I can get down with it. If you can bring

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Speaker 1: me something that makes sense in all areas, I can

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Speaker 1: get down with it. Yeah, it doesn't make sense, So

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Speaker 1: we're not going to venture too much further into it.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about something happy. I have an

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Speaker 1: amazing guest today. All of my guests are amazing. I

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Speaker 1: won't even lie, but this guest has a huge piece

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Speaker 1: of my heart because she is responsible for me getting sober.

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Speaker 1: The first person I reached out to, but my guest,

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Speaker 1: Ashley Peterson. She is a part of two horse rescues,

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Speaker 1: one being wild sage horse and the other one Love

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Speaker 1: this Horse. There's going to be in this episode a

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Speaker 1: place where you can go to donate. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: post it on my Instagram. It'll be on the podcast page.

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Speaker 1: If you just venture over to their insta again Wild

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Speaker 1: Sage Horse and Love this Horse. You click on the

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Speaker 1: can donate. You literally can donate a dollar. If I

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Speaker 1: got one hundred people to donate a dollar, we could

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Speaker 1: help feed a horse for an entire month. So that

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Speaker 1: is incredible. Give what you can share the link. Maybe

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Speaker 1: someone else you know can throw in some money. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: with that being said, we're going to take a short

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Speaker 1: break and we will be back with Ashley Peterson. Welcome back.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I have a fantastic guest, Ashley Peterson. Hello,

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Speaker 1: my angel. I call you my angel because and I

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Speaker 1: call you this every time I hit another year of sobriety,

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Speaker 1: because you were the first person that I called when

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Speaker 1: I didn't know who you were, You didn't know who

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Speaker 3: And you know, La, La, thank you. And honestly, experiences

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Speaker 3: for a living. I mean, the basis of alcoholics anonymous

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Speaker 3: there's some really critical steps that need to happen before

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Speaker 1: What would you say those steps are before you get

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Speaker 3: Well, I always believe there's a certain amount of desperation

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Speaker 3: what you had when we met, which is that you

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. It just gives me chills because so

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Speaker 1: many people will slide into my dear, and you know,

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Speaker 1: they want to know how does one choose the path

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Speaker 1: a nuanced thing because I remember you when I hit

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Speaker 1: you know, every situation is so different. Everyone's sobriety journey

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Speaker 1: And I remember I called you on a Monday. You said,

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Speaker 3: It is crazy. Listen, you are a unicorn La LA

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Speaker 3: This is a great community and a foundation for you.

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Speaker 3: And how many people have said yeah, no, that's not

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Speaker 3: I'm always amazed, like my time is not free. I

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Speaker 3: talked about so many times, you develop superhuman powers. You

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Speaker 3: It was really I think I've probably watched more people

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Speaker 3: I'm still a counselor, I'm still a substance abuse counselor.

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Speaker 3: So the rescue that I reached out to is called

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Speaker 3: Wild Sage Horse Rescue. How I got associated with Wild

437
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Speaker 3: Sage Horse Rescue is through the horse rescue where I

438
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Speaker 3: rescued most of my horses, which is called Love This

439
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 3: Horse Equine Rescue, And there are two single women who

440
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Speaker 3: have started these two separate rescues. One is very breed specific,

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00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 3: so like Love This Horse primarily rescues Arabian horses, where

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Speaker 3: Wild Sage rescues all breeds. And so right now I'm

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Speaker 3: going to talk about horse rescue in general because I

444
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Speaker 3: think what happens is the trickle down economics of life.

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Speaker 3: It started before we hit the sphase that we're in

446
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 3: right now with gas prices and food prices, but even

447
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:12,679
Speaker 3: during COVID is that people started abandoning their animals and

448
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 3: dumping their animals. And so these types of organizations like

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Speaker 3: Love This Horse and Wild Stage take them in and

450
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Speaker 3: they rehabilitate them and they feed them and they retrain

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Speaker 3: them and they adopt them out. When people were home

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Speaker 3: during the pandemic and we were all getting you know, people,

453
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Speaker 3: we had more money in the bank because they weren't

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Speaker 3: out doing whatever they do in life, weren't driving, weren't

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Speaker 3: going out and having dinners. People got really connected to

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Speaker 3: like giving, which was really a beautiful thing. I think

457
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Speaker 3: what's happened is everyone is afraid, and I understand I

458
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Speaker 3: live in my own fear, and I have to sometimes

459
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Speaker 3: make choices between do I buy hay and make sure

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Speaker 3: we have hay for three months or do something that's

461
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Speaker 3: more personally driven, like I'm not going to buy the

462
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Speaker 3: expensive boots or the handbag right now, I'm going to

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Speaker 3: feed my horses. So these horse rescues depend on donations.

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Speaker 3: They're nonprofits and grants for the grants are not easy

465
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Speaker 3: to come by for the little people. And so I

466
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Speaker 3: realized that when I got more personally involved with Wild Stage,

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Speaker 3: it was because a family reached out. This is just

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Speaker 3: an example of what kind of what we deal with.

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Speaker 3: A family reached out and their dad was ill, had

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Speaker 3: dementia and his beloved herd of horses needed to be

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Speaker 3: taken care of, and they donated. They surrendered them to

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Speaker 3: the rescue. So when they come into the rescue, we

473
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 3: have to feed them, we got to vet them, they've

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Speaker 3: got to have their feet done, they've got to be retrained,

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00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 3: they've got to be All these things cost money. So

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Speaker 3: the best way to help is even if people like, listen,

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Speaker 3: if one hundred people donated a dollar, we're almost feeding

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Speaker 3: a horse for a month, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: But if you break it down to a micro level,

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Speaker 3: like you know, it's about one hundred and fifty to

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Speaker 3: two hundred dollars a month to feed a horse. Okay,

482
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Speaker 3: but by the way, every day, hay prices are going

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Speaker 3: up because of gas prices, right because of water prices,

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Speaker 3: And so I really encourage people to or they can.

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Speaker 3: You can sponsor a horse monthly. You know, you can

486
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Speaker 3: go visit the horses at the rescue like they love

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Speaker 3: to have people involved, but the volunteering has fallen down,

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Speaker 3: the donations have fallen down. And I'm watching two really

489
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Speaker 3: special friends of mine, like trying to figure out how

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Speaker 3: they're going to keep their rescue together. If we can't

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Speaker 3: keep the rescues going, then what happens.

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Speaker 1: I can't even imagine going to that place of what

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Speaker 1: do we do if we can't get people to help

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Speaker 1: us out?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And how I e and found my way into

496
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 3: horse rescues is that I decided I was going to

497
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Speaker 3: adopt a horse because I don't think people realize that sure,

498
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Speaker 3: you can buy a horse that hasn't had any adversity

499
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 3: in their life, that's always been with one person or

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00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 3: had perfect training, and you're going to spend a lot

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Speaker 3: of money likely on that horse. Or if you're like me,

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00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 3: it's like, well, everybody deserves the second chance, animals included, right,

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Speaker 3: Like like I've like, where's the horse that needs to

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Speaker 3: do over? Everyone needs to do it over. And that's

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Speaker 3: how I fell into it, you know, by the way

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Speaker 3: my horse and I are like winning championships together.

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Speaker 1: I know, I've seen it. It's crazy.

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00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 3: It's crazy. This horse. You couldn't even put a halter

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00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 3: on this horse three and a half years ago.

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Speaker 1: Oh my Ashley, that is so cute.

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Speaker 3: So it's like, you know, anything is possible. But we've

512
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Speaker 3: got to take care of the grassroots, right, We've got

513
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Speaker 3: to take care of the base of the operations, yeah,

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Speaker 3: which is the rescues.

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Speaker 1: Right. So do you know how many horses are in

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Speaker 1: this rescue right now?

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Speaker 3: So Wild Sage has I believe, twelve horses. And do

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Speaker 3: you know how much we average in donations a month?

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Speaker 3: How much fifty dollars?

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Speaker 1: Okay, well we're going to change that. So you have

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Speaker 1: there's twelve horses in the rescue. You could feed a

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Speaker 1: horse for an entire month, let's just say around two

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Speaker 1: hundred to two fifty YEP with inflation. How do we donate?

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Speaker 2: So?

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Speaker 3: You can donate through Venmo, you can donate through PayPal

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Speaker 3: at Wild Sage Horse Rescue dot com. You can go

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00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 3: to their instagram. We really need to like increase traffic,

528
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 3: you know, on social media, and all the links for

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Speaker 3: donations are on the social media for Wild Sage Horse

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Speaker 3: Rescue for Love This Horse Equine Rescue. These are like

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Speaker 3: hard wooking women who basically had to get second jobs

532
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 3: in addition to their rescue to keep their families fed

533
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 3: and to keep the horses fed. Wow, I just I

534
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 3: really am so grateful that you're letting me talk about

535
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 3: it because you have an amazing reach, and I don't

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00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 3: think people realize how many. I mean, there's a lot

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00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 3: of high profile horse rescues that already have the foot

538
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 3: traffic in the donations, but I wanted to bring some

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Speaker 3: awareness to some of the little guys.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm so happy that you did, and I'm going

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Speaker 1: to make sure I post on my page will spread

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Speaker 1: the word and to my listeners. If you don't have

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00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: the funds right now. You can also spread the word. Yeah,

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00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: that's what we need reposting. Like Ashley said, if we

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Speaker 1: could get one hundred people to just donate one dollar,

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Speaker 1: that's all it takes.

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00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 3: Yes, and it's all tax deductible. And if someone decided

548
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,239
Speaker 3: they wanted to sponsor a horse monthly that you know

549
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 3: they track their progress on social media. It's like, you're

550
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 3: right there. If you're in southern California, you can come

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00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 3: out and visit the horses. They love it.

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Speaker 1: There's so much we can do. I'm thrilled that you

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00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: approached me with this and thrilled that we could get

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Speaker 1: you on the podcast so quickly.

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00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 3: Oh, it was meant to be.

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Speaker 1: It was meant to be, and I'm I'm excited. I

557
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: think that you inspire me. You do amazing work. You're

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00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: not only helping people, but you're helping the voiceless, and

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00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: that to me, just it it gives it gives me

560
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: a lot of hope to see you're doing what you're doing.

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Speaker 3: You made me cry. I love you so much, well.

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Speaker 2: I love you.

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Speaker 1: I just we're in such a weird world and you

564
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: start losing faith in humanity.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh so did you feel like you really had

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Speaker 3: a voice when you were drinking. Was there a part

567
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 3: of you that felt silence just from the I felt

568
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 3: silence from the shame and the guilt.

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Speaker 1: I mean there was shame, There was guilt. I looked

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Speaker 1: in the mirror. I didn't even know who I was.

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Speaker 1: What do you believe in? What do you think about

572
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: certain things? And I didn't know. It was like I

573
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: could tell you that I want a vodka soda in

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Speaker 1: my system right now to numb myself to my very core.

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Speaker 1: But as far as having a voice or a thought

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Speaker 1: about anything that didn't exist, well.

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Speaker 3: I think it was a natural segue for me when

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Speaker 3: I found my own voice, and I wanted people in

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Speaker 3: recovery to find their voice again and find a sense

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00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 3: of purpose and belonging and meaning. And then when I

581
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 3: turned around and I looked at these animals, and I

582
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 3: was like, well, who's going to tell their story?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 3: They don't have a voice, Like how do we get

585
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 3: people to care about what this animal has gone through?

586
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 3: If we don't talk about it, if we don't raise awareness.

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Speaker 3: And I full sledge to become the crazy animal lady.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I think it's great. I think you

589
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: got it figured out.

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00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 3: But you know what, it's totally unconditional.

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00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 1: I know, I see it.

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00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 3: And when I get a little burnout on the human race,

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00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 3: which I'm not going to lie, I'm like a little

594
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 3: burnout right now watching everything that's going on in the world.

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00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 3: Like I just go sit with my chickens, I just

596
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:35,280
Speaker 3: go sit with my horses, and it grounds me again.

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00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 3: And so even if people are living in an apartment

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00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 3: in the Midwest and feel disconnected, just to be able

599
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 3: to follow some of this social media and feel connected

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00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 3: to one of these horses journey from entering the rescue

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00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 3: to where they find their forever home is really really beautiful.

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00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 3: You don't have to donate to be part of it.

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00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 3: Just be aware it's going.

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Speaker 1: On, right and spread the word.

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Speaker 3: Spread the word that's free, that doesn't cost anything.

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Speaker 1: No. I know when people you know sit there and

607
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: go but I can't do anything, it's like, yes, you

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00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: can spread talk about awareness. Let's have a conversation because

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00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: there's going to be people out there who who can't

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Speaker 1: afford to you know, say, I've got five bucks here.

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Speaker 1: It is amazing. That's what we need. Nothing is too small.

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00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:35,760
Speaker 3: Nothing, and it's so appreciated because you know, these rescues

613
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 3: start to feel alone.

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Speaker 1: I can't even imagine it, you would start feeling alone.

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00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, well, where's the humanity? You know, no

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Speaker 3: one cares?

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Speaker 1: Yep, you feel like you almost feel like you're in

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Speaker 1: the middle of the ocean drowning and everyone around you

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Speaker 1: is sitting there watching it happen. Yeah, we're going to

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Speaker 1: change it, so repeat one more time. Where people can

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Speaker 1: go to.

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Speaker 3: So there's Wild Sage Horse Rescue, which is both the

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Speaker 3: horse rescues I talked about today are both on social media,

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Speaker 3: Wild Sage Horse Rescue and Love This Horse Equine Rescue.

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00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 3: They have Instagram, they have Facebook, they have donation links

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Speaker 3: through PayPal, through Venmo. The tricky thing about the social

627
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 3: media sites is, I know people like convenience. They're like, oh,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to donate through Facebook, but the really or

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Speaker 3: I'm going to donate straight through Instagram, which I think

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Speaker 3: it's amazing they've made that available. The problem is they

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Speaker 3: hold the money for thirty to forty five days, so

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Speaker 3: the rescues don't resource. They can't access the money for

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Speaker 3: a month or a month and a half. So people

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00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,439
Speaker 3: are going to donate. I encourage them to donate through

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00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 3: PayPal or Venmo because they get it immediately. Okay, and

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Speaker 3: I will send you everything in our little private text change,

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00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 3: so you've got both in front of you and they're

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00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 3: both on social media.

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Speaker 1: Amazing. I love you so much, Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for being on my podcast.

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Speaker 3: I love you too, anytime. I love