WEBVTT - "Weightlifting" w/ Gianmarco Soresi

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<v Speaker 1>Podcast starts. Now, what's up everyone? You are listening to

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<v Speaker 1>Stradio Lab. We just had a beautiful lunch from Le.

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<v Speaker 2>So here's my question for you. Uh Prette amage and

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<v Speaker 2>which one is Danielle him? Which one is st? Him?

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<v Speaker 1>And which one is You are starting out guns blazing,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm full up on bread and mozzarella, and you're

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<v Speaker 1>saying which French fast casual restaurant is which Heim sister?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm well, Brett is, Danielle is st? I think it's Alana? Really?

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<v Speaker 2>What's the third one of bump Pan? Wait?

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<v Speaker 1>Fuck?

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, Prett Prett.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Alta is prep because like she's more of

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<v Speaker 1>the household name.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you think so? Yeah? And then is st Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and pret is Wait no, Danielle pre bum Pan is

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<v Speaker 2>not one of them?

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<v Speaker 1>What it's prett?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>And is one of them? Yeah? Okay, go ahead, go ahead,

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<v Speaker 2>this is really good radio.

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<v Speaker 1>We are us fighting over which Yeah, Danielle okay, s Prett, Danielle, Alana, Alana?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? That was that? Sorry I did that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's okay. I think it's okay that you do that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just that you were sort of wrong and aggressive

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<v Speaker 1>throughout you know, we said have the parameters, and then

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<v Speaker 1>I was trying to work with the parameters in you

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<v Speaker 1>that's not right.

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<v Speaker 2>It actually broke my brain so much. I kept I

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<v Speaker 2>kept thinking of them. Penna is not one of them,

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<v Speaker 2>and yet it was. It was the whole time. Isn't

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<v Speaker 2>there a different one? I mean, I'm sure.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a different one. Yeah, but that's the one we

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<v Speaker 1>were working That's.

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<v Speaker 2>The one we were working with. Yeah, okay, okay, Jo

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<v Speaker 2>Juice U Jomba Juice, Joe and the Juice, Joe and

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<v Speaker 2>the Juice, And what's the other one. I love this,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, this is the best podcasting I've ever

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<v Speaker 2>done my life. No, we can't, we can't. I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to own up to this. Okay, which time,

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<v Speaker 2>sister is It is my game that I came up with,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm officially calling it a flop. I think it

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<v Speaker 2>officially is not a good game. I will own up

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<v Speaker 2>to it in the same way that I owned up

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<v Speaker 2>to when I tried to get Fabulosa fury Road trending.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that was fun, Okay, So obviously it's when someone

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<v Speaker 2>looks fab you say you look Fabulosa Fury Road. I

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<v Speaker 2>it has not. I've not gotten a trending. I've not

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<v Speaker 2>gotten anyone else to say it except me, and I

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<v Speaker 2>have to just own up to the fact that that

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<v Speaker 2>is the same with the hind Game. And maybe it

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<v Speaker 2>can just be my private inside joke with myself or

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<v Speaker 2>with my friend Sam, but we have to we have

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<v Speaker 2>to accept when something isn't working.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Fabulosa Fury Road isn't It's not your fault.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't work, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's the fault of the filmmakers. Yeah, Furiosa

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<v Speaker 1>because it wasn't a big enough hit. I think it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't have the cultural weight it needs to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>If Furiosa was a bigger hit Fabulosa fuor Road, every

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<v Speaker 2>announcer on E News when they're interviewing people on the

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<v Speaker 2>carpet would say, Okay, she looks fabulous to Fury Road,

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<v Speaker 2>let's look into the Fabulosa cam and let's get that

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<v Speaker 2>shot of you mama. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But unfortunately it did not reach those hypes. Okay, I see,

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<v Speaker 1>And so that's not your fault.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, time is my fault.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe I'm we need to unpack what it's not working

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<v Speaker 1>about him. For me, I think what's not working about

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<v Speaker 1>him is that like there's almost something about the game

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<v Speaker 1>that's just like too simple. Yeah, Like Heim is like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like which one's the weird one, which one's the

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<v Speaker 1>the film one, and which one's the brains?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, and.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's just sort of like too one to one,

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<v Speaker 1>there's not much wonder.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're right, it's true. And also none of them

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<v Speaker 2>are really like an insult. Like if you're doing fuck

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<v Speaker 2>Mary kill when you get to kill, that's a shocker.

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<v Speaker 2>If I'm saying I'm killing Obumpan, that means I you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they're they're writing me a season desist letter.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But if I'm saying album pen is st him, They're like, okay, okay, weird, quirky.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I think it's tough. I Also, this is

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<v Speaker 1>something I've been wondering and I wonder this almost every day,

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<v Speaker 1>which is is our worldview. We think it's so big

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<v Speaker 1>when actually it's small. Do people care about Heim in

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<v Speaker 1>the way that we do?

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<v Speaker 2>This is such a larger question. I mean, I do

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<v Speaker 2>think people care about him. As we've said, they are

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<v Speaker 2>the A twenty four music so I think the same.

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<v Speaker 2>I think people care about how in the way that

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<v Speaker 2>people care about an eight twenty four movie. Sure, so,

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<v Speaker 2>like just like people we know, we know? Yeah, yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>But I also think do you think moms know about him? No?

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<v Speaker 2>I think moms know about Chapel.

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<v Speaker 1>Moms know about Chapel. I think music dads know about how.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, music dads know about her.

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<v Speaker 1>Music dads know how.

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<v Speaker 2>And they love Billie Eilish.

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<v Speaker 1>They love to love Billy Iilay music dad's love to

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<v Speaker 1>love Billy Eilish. Yeah, I hmm, okay, if they're a

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four, I'm like, yeah, who's Neon?

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<v Speaker 2>Is Charlie xx Neon? Yes? Because I know her movie

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<v Speaker 2>is a twenty four. Well, it's not literal George of course,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, it's like how Chapel. Yes, well, and she's

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<v Speaker 2>a but you were gonna ask something, yeah, but then

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<v Speaker 2>I forgot Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>But she's the onn incense that she also like swept

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<v Speaker 1>the Oscars this year. Yeah, and you're expect every.

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<v Speaker 2>Year you're like twenty four, but it's always should we

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<v Speaker 2>bring our guests?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like this intro is like one of our

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<v Speaker 1>more flop what Yeah, I'm gonna say it. And and

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<v Speaker 1>for that I apologize to our guests.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to say I'm having the time of

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<v Speaker 2>my life and I'm embracing my flop era as Jamila

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<v Speaker 2>Jamila one said, welcome, John Marcosires.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello.

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<v Speaker 3>I know I just felt stupid. I felt culturally, uh

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<v Speaker 3>a destitute. I know I couldn't tell you I'm sister's song.

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<v Speaker 3>I've seen picture of them to our dating now.

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<v Speaker 2>The sisters sisters, who's the boy genius are dating?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>You see, I don't, it's all a blur.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm actually so happy you're here. Actually I am happier here.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, I'm so happier here because we were just talking

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<v Speaker 2>about how you're a touring comedian that is all around

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<v Speaker 2>this great country road. So you're the perfect person to

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<v Speaker 2>tell us how many people know how in your experience,

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<v Speaker 2>and I actually would love for you, Sorry to cut

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<v Speaker 2>you off, No, I would love for you for I

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<v Speaker 2>would say the next calendar year of your tour to

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<v Speaker 2>mention how I'm at every show of yours and start

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<v Speaker 2>collecting some data.

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<v Speaker 3>I think, in general, comedically, references don't work on the

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<v Speaker 3>road the way they used to because we're so fractured

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<v Speaker 3>as a country period. So you will sooner see comedians

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<v Speaker 3>reference Rainforest Cafe, yes before La Pen. You know, I

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<v Speaker 3>can't do that in Wilmington, North Carolina. They've never heard

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<v Speaker 3>of that. And like truly comedically, unless you build up

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<v Speaker 3>like a niche audience, you cannot have those. Even even

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<v Speaker 3>Sebastian Man of Scalco, Like, so that's the number one

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<v Speaker 3>most paid touring comedian in the country right now or

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<v Speaker 3>last year, you cannot use that as a reference. Seinfeld

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<v Speaker 3>you can. And so that's just that's so interesting, it is,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it just it limits the ability to reference

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<v Speaker 3>in a way that like you know, Twitter or something

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<v Speaker 3>else would allow you.

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<v Speaker 1>To in your experience. What year to culture stop?

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<v Speaker 3>God Like, right where I started getting into the arts,

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<v Speaker 3>I have the culture.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel the exact same way. We sort of are

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<v Speaker 2>like in the sinking ship of the Titanic and we're

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<v Speaker 2>trying to reference.

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<v Speaker 1>We're trying to reference time. We're trying to pretend that

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<v Speaker 1>we can talk about. But what you're saying is so

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<v Speaker 1>true and it's scary.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And you know my big idea, well, this is

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<v Speaker 2>like my big my big joke is we need a

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<v Speaker 2>nationwide it needs to be a top down government mandated.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the new thing everyone's talking about, Like, isn't.

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<v Speaker 3>That what Obama's playlist was trying to be? Essentially? You

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<v Speaker 3>know what, though, it's not that I loved when he

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<v Speaker 3>didn't have he didn't have Beyonce's album and then he

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<v Speaker 3>like issued a correction like, oops, I forgot.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, here's a question for you. The concept of Obama's

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<v Speaker 2>playlists is that something people would recognize around the country. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a great question.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean it depends where you're in the country. Some

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<v Speaker 3>people would boo that list, they avoid.

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<v Speaker 2>They would know it exists.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I don't think so. I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 2>First for me, Obama Obama's play is just such a

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<v Speaker 2>thing that like everyone makes fun of every year. Or

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<v Speaker 2>it's like if you're an artist or if you're like

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<v Speaker 2>a novelist, even it makes a huge difference to be

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<v Speaker 2>on his book list.

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<v Speaker 3>They would still the reference you would still use even

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<v Speaker 3>if it doesn't exist anymore. Is over the book club?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, no, maybe, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Trying to road friendly references is like one of the

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<v Speaker 1>darker things you've never done.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's so funny.

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's the same with with politics. It's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's gotta be someone we've known since the night.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Okay, here's cute.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're like doing a joke that has like

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<v Speaker 1>Timothy Chalamer's reference, does that work or do you have

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<v Speaker 1>to stay it?

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<v Speaker 2>Would?

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<v Speaker 3>It would probably work, but certain parts. First of all,

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<v Speaker 3>like I have enough of a fan base now that

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<v Speaker 3>I think, yes, okay, my particular fan base, but like

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<v Speaker 3>and well you're figuring out probably not wow, probably not.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I'd love I I thought it would be

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<v Speaker 3>so fun. I have like a musical theatery playlist, and

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<v Speaker 3>I slipped in the penis of Vaginas song from Amelia Perez. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>And I think most people are going, what the fuck

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<v Speaker 3>is going on?

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<v Speaker 2>Jamarco. I can confirm that that's what's happening because I

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<v Speaker 2>have tried to make Amelia Perez happen for so long.

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<v Speaker 2>My favorite thing. I don't know if you've seen the film,

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<v Speaker 2>but I have. Her cat phrase is bingo, and I

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<v Speaker 2>am obsessed with trying to make that the new Fabulosa

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<v Speaker 2>fiy road. And specifically, when Zebesdonia recognized her at the

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<v Speaker 2>Big Dinner party, she's like edisto and then and then

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<v Speaker 2>Amelia goes Bingo and she like whispers it really she's

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<v Speaker 2>an amazing performer in a really really compelling way. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's so funny. And no one knows about

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<v Speaker 2>it because guess what, no one has seen to me

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<v Speaker 2>the press. And also no one even knows that Carlos

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<v Speaker 2>fiegoskn was canceled. That is something only we know because

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<v Speaker 2>we're on Twitter.

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<v Speaker 3>That's true too. Whenever someone gets in trouble son Is,

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<v Speaker 3>You're like, there's people who know, they have no idea there,

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<v Speaker 3>there are people seeing Crystalalia still going and they go,

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<v Speaker 3>what happened? I mean, that's truly, that's literally happening. I

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<v Speaker 3>think I wish Amelia Perez it really was. I mean

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<v Speaker 3>it was disastrous, but like it was a it was

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<v Speaker 3>a fascinating I mean the twists and turns. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I would love that to be whatever Rocky Horror is

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<v Speaker 3>like like just a real like your or the Room totally.

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<v Speaker 3>You could totally watch it with friends. I'm so happy

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<v Speaker 3>I watch it with my girlfriend. It was so fun.

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<v Speaker 2>It was fun.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I agree, it's so I do think it needs

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<v Speaker 1>to be reordered, though, I was pretty disappointed that the

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<v Speaker 1>penis Vagina song comes so early. I thought that was

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be like the climax song. Yeah, I really, I

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<v Speaker 1>at least needed it to come back. Maybe it's sort

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<v Speaker 1>of a reprise. I thought that would have been nice.

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<v Speaker 3>Know they there are some characters that you would think, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>this is a new main character, I guess, and no,

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<v Speaker 3>you will never hear from them again.

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<v Speaker 2>It's more of a sketch show.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, yeah, this actually really scares me. When I

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<v Speaker 1>learned that people in other places don't know everything that

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<v Speaker 1>I know, it really freaks me out.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what. You know, what would be an incredibly

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<v Speaker 2>difficult job for that very reason is, for example, hosting

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<v Speaker 2>the Oscars because you are It used to be that

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<v Speaker 2>Billy Crystal would reference you know, Shakespeare in Love and

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<v Speaker 2>every single person would understand at least the basics of

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<v Speaker 2>what he's referencing. If you are who, if you're Conan

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<v Speaker 2>and you're referencing Amelia Perez or God Forbid, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>I'm still here, the Brazilian film. Yeah no, there's no

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<v Speaker 2>who's going to get that. Not God Forbid, the Brazilian film.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just like, but it's almost it almost becomes like

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<v Speaker 1>a political conversation where you're like, Okay, do we go

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<v Speaker 1>to the center and reference stuff from five years ago

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<v Speaker 1>or do we push forward?

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<v Speaker 3>Because if you want to win or not exactly comic

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<v Speaker 3>or politics, do.

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<v Speaker 2>You then find yourself in the position of being like

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<v Speaker 2>I want to reference on the hurt. They don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what it is. Yeah, yeah, I know, I know, Like

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<v Speaker 2>they don't know what it is. I want to reference it.

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<v Speaker 2>So then you find yourself for ten minutes explaining what

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<v Speaker 2>it is for the sake of lift.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I remember, like I I had something about living

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<v Speaker 3>in Harlem, and like, you know, for some of the

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<v Speaker 3>harm jokes, you have to establish that this was like

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<v Speaker 3>a predominantly black neighborhood, and like you can't go to

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<v Speaker 3>the whole history, but you try to come up with

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<v Speaker 3>like one or two lines that captured, hopefully with a joke,

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<v Speaker 3>and then move on. So you have to like try

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<v Speaker 3>to you know, it's Sonny's References a TV show. I

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<v Speaker 3>have a bit where I talk about I'm really trying

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<v Speaker 3>to talk about how I'm not allowed to take off

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<v Speaker 3>my shirt and soul Cycle, and again it's like so

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<v Speaker 3>many things I have to establish. Not everyone knows what

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<v Speaker 3>spin is, now knows what soul cycle is now everyone

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<v Speaker 3>understands that in some workout spaces you can't take off

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<v Speaker 3>your shirt, and this one you sweat a lot, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's mostly women, and it's like there's all sorts of

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<v Speaker 3>contexts you have to set up. So I'm working on that.

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<v Speaker 2>It is the most coastal, like coastal sort of like

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<v Speaker 2>metrosexual man. Problem not to call you metrosexual, to be

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<v Speaker 2>like touring and be like I want to do a

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<v Speaker 2>joke about soul cycle, but no one knows what soul cycle.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, but I have to establish it for people

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<v Speaker 3>who don't understand any of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's spin.

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<v Speaker 3>Where did metrosexual? The term felt like it this disappeared

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<v Speaker 3>to talk.

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<v Speaker 2>About something that you can reference because it was the

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<v Speaker 2>last dregs of monoculture. When people talk, we're talking about metrosexual.

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<v Speaker 3>But I don't know if I would where ASMI as

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<v Speaker 3>because metrosexual seem more like obsessed with appearance and looks.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think you're a metrosexual. I was trying to

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<v Speaker 2>find like the right word for like whatever coastal sort

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<v Speaker 2>of like liberal man who takes care of himself, who

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<v Speaker 2>would go to sult I.

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<v Speaker 3>Wanted to like start referring to it myself as a fop,

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<v Speaker 3>like a fop like, oh oh, who's the playwright? He

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<v Speaker 3>Oscar while yeah, he would have a fop character and

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<v Speaker 3>it always was like the flamboyant character. But in his

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<v Speaker 3>plays it normally it wasn't necessarily the gay character.

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<v Speaker 2>It was it's like a dandy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, dandy. But still even that, like there's something

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<v Speaker 3>about like appearance that I don't fit. That's not one

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<v Speaker 3>of the things that is uh feminine about me?

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<v Speaker 1>What what would you say?

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<v Speaker 3>Is my my movement, my my mannerism's my.

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<v Speaker 2>A musical theater of musical theater of it all, the

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<v Speaker 2>wanting to be.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, uh, some show fabulous in a way, but it doesn't.

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't translate to clothes. I've had to work hard

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<v Speaker 3>to like trust better, I've uh, it doesn't translate. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not a huge like Camp.

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<v Speaker 2>Guy, You're like you like a sincerity I do.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm more I lean towards the musical theater of it all,

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<v Speaker 3>but like Camp, it's always like it's just too much

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<v Speaker 3>for me. I can admire it from Afar.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm not obsessed with it.

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<v Speaker 3>But I love Liza Minelli and Cabaret like I get,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, oh, and I want to be you or

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<v Speaker 3>and admire you and every and also make love to

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<v Speaker 3>you too. It's the full spectrum of Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>I do sort of think straight men who are into

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<v Speaker 2>musical theater might save like if our actually I was

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to say the most shocking thing ever,

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<v Speaker 2>which is if we had a straight male president was

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<v Speaker 2>into musical theater, guess what we do that His biggest

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<v Speaker 2>dream was to be a musical theater producer, Like, is

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<v Speaker 2>that true?

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<v Speaker 3>It? He like loves musical theater. He loves cats, He

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<v Speaker 3>loves cats. He wants to bring cats to the Kennedy Center.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no idea, he loves But you saw like.

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<v Speaker 3>They made fun of him at the RNC came out

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<v Speaker 3>and it was light bulbs of Trump, and they compared

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<v Speaker 3>it to Roxy in Chicago. It's a showman. But there's

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<v Speaker 3>so much about anyone in politics. You know, they're all

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<v Speaker 3>wearing so much makeup. You know it might be different

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<v Speaker 3>makeup and highlighting different things, but his makeup sometimes you

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<v Speaker 3>see it and you go, it is crazy that we

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<v Speaker 3>move past this. Why is it ending so brutally at

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<v Speaker 3>the ears?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I do think that was talk about normalization. It's

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<v Speaker 2>like when the makeup was normalized while the policies come next.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, but also if we all, if we keep talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the makeup, then people are going to make fun

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<v Speaker 1>of us. We're talking about the makeup, yes, yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>here and be like, why would you care about the

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<v Speaker 1>makeup when all the stuff is.

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<v Speaker 3>Happening they want to There's just something where I go, like,

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<v Speaker 3>I think some people, if they have a way to

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<v Speaker 3>artistically express themselves, they become a little nicer. Or I

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<v Speaker 3>think I think there's like, you know, pent up sexual attention.

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<v Speaker 3>I think there's like pent up artistic expression, absolutely, and

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<v Speaker 3>it comes out and like.

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<v Speaker 2>We need to go back. Yeah. Well, you know people

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<v Speaker 2>have said that his version of like Hitler being a

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<v Speaker 2>failed artist is being a failed Broadway producer. Like it's

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<v Speaker 2>like if only they had let him, do you know

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<v Speaker 2>Trump the musical of course Trump with a t.

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<v Speaker 3>Look at George Bush. He did all the war crimes

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<v Speaker 3>and now he's a paint exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, maybe that'll be his third act, you know, after

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the entire world is burned to bits, he'll

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<v Speaker 2>erect his own theater and put up cats.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's what like, I think That's one of

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<v Speaker 3>the things with like AI at the AI art, which

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<v Speaker 3>is like, again talk about a conversation that like online

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<v Speaker 3>online everyone goes like this is terrible if you're making

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<v Speaker 3>an AI right now. It's really I keep seeing on

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<v Speaker 3>Instagram people make themselves an action figure or whatever, and

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<v Speaker 3>online on Twitter at least, it's like, this is vile.

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<v Speaker 3>If you do this, kill yourself. And then I go

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<v Speaker 3>and I look at normal people who go outside and

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<v Speaker 3>read books, and they're all making an action figure themselves

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<v Speaker 3>because it's just cool little thing to do online.

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<v Speaker 2>That is the That's such a perfect example.

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<v Speaker 1>We've been we've been in countering this a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's literally such a tiny niche opinion that it's

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<v Speaker 2>quote unquote evil, which to be clear, I agree with.

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<v Speaker 1>But it is.

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<v Speaker 2>It is literally like it's the equivalent of I don't

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<v Speaker 2>even know, like debating who is gonna win some obscure

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<v Speaker 2>prize in literature, or like to think that chat GBT

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<v Speaker 2>is the average person just uses it to right emails.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's also the obsession with like thinking that art

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<v Speaker 3>is always about the product, yes, and like you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we do it as a business, so it is involved

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<v Speaker 3>in the product because we're ultimately selling it, but for

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<v Speaker 3>so many people it's like, no, the art is the

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<v Speaker 3>process of doing it, and going to quote Sondheim, look

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<v Speaker 3>I made a hat where there never was a hat.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like it's like sometimes people come to shows and

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<v Speaker 3>they draw me while I'm on stage and they show

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<v Speaker 3>it and it's like that's just for them. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's hard time. It's for me to think about it

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<v Speaker 3>because every time I mix something I do a dude,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, we gotta put this system. You gotta make

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<v Speaker 3>a TV shirt of this. Merch merch, merch. But like

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<v Speaker 3>that's that's the illusion of ais. They go like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>look we can make the product without the work, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's like, no, the work is the whole fucking thing

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<v Speaker 3>for a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, brother, the a I said is such a bummer

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<v Speaker 1>in a way that I'm like I don't even know

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<v Speaker 1>where to go from there.

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<v Speaker 2>I find it like it'll die.

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<v Speaker 3>It'll like they'll make it so you can you can

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<v Speaker 3>make the Office but instead of Dwight's played by Gabriel Iglesias,

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<v Speaker 3>and you can make it and you'll be like your

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<v Speaker 3>dad will be like I have made this, and you're

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<v Speaker 3>like I'm not gonna watch it. Everyone will make their

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<v Speaker 3>own thing and no one will care, and we'll realize

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<v Speaker 3>that so much of artists, that we're all collectively looking

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<v Speaker 3>at one thing. I hate everyone's talking about how the

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<v Speaker 3>pit is like they're enjoying it being it weekly. I

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<v Speaker 3>hate seasons that drop all at once. I lose it

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<v Speaker 3>and people always go, I actually like it, and I go, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you like eating cake for breakfast, and then you wonder

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<v Speaker 3>why life, why every meal is boring you? You don't

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<v Speaker 3>know what you want. And it's the same thing with like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you could make you can make a TV show where

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<v Speaker 3>the office animated to look like they're powerpuff Girls, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's like, who cares. It's about the cultural We all

0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:09.240
<v Speaker 3>agree to look at this one thing, and someone's curated

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<v Speaker 3>that one thing. So I do think it will destroy

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<v Speaker 3>itself to a degree.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to hope. I hope it takes on social

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<v Speaker 1>media with it, and I think it might.

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<v Speaker 3>Or all film and TV and we go back to theater,

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<v Speaker 3>and we all go back to theater.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, theater is the only answer.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, honestly, kind of, I've actually been having so

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<v Speaker 1>much fun with stand up again and I don't know why,

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<v Speaker 1>but I've been like, oh, finally people are together.

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<v Speaker 2>I went to a play recently and shout out the

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<v Speaker 2>deep blue sound at the public and the final line

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<v Speaker 2>made me start crying, and then I couldn't stop crying.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, I think this is my pent up.

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<v Speaker 2>This is literally what being on Instagram all day. All

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<v Speaker 2>my emotions are suppressed because all I'm doing is being

0:20:55.880 --> 0:20:58.400
<v Speaker 2>kind of angry at some random gay guy all day

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<v Speaker 2>every day. And then it's like one sentence that has

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<v Speaker 2>emotional resonance, which if I was just like a normal

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<v Speaker 2>person going to the theater all the time, it would

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<v Speaker 2>be like okay, well, moving on, like time for the area.

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<v Speaker 2>And I hear one sentence has emotional residence and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>like literally breaking down.

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<v Speaker 1>What was the sentence? I've gotta know I'm not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>ruin the fight. Oh, I guess that's true.

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<v Speaker 3>It was what I saw play with with my girlfriend recently,

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<v Speaker 3>and it was like there was a couple fighting and

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<v Speaker 3>the guy said to the woman like, I've.

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<v Speaker 2>Understood you, but you ever understand me?

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<v Speaker 3>And I was like wow. My girlfriend looked at me

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<v Speaker 3>like excuse me, and I didn't I wasn't doing it

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<v Speaker 3>on purpose, but I felt I was like, mm.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you just get a directness whatever. Live performances

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<v Speaker 2>is all we have, is basically sure.

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<v Speaker 3>But I did see a I saw a Broadway show

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<v Speaker 3>that I paid way too much for and I felt scammed,

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<v Speaker 3>and I feel I felt a new found no fuck

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<v Speaker 3>the theater actually.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was my fact that's Broadway though, like Broadway,

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<v Speaker 2>there's something the Broadway is literally Trumpian, like Broadway is

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<v Speaker 2>like for the literal zero point one percent, the people

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<v Speaker 2>making it are so completely out of touch.

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<v Speaker 3>I felt for it. I felt for him. But I

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<v Speaker 3>saw I paid a lot to see Augie McDonald and Gypsy,

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<v Speaker 3>and I I that was incredible. I really at the

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<v Speaker 3>when she's loosened and at the end, I mean she

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<v Speaker 3>was just bearing it all. And I it was a close.

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<v Speaker 3>I came to really sobbing in the theater, just like, wow.

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<v Speaker 2>You know those I just saw Burns at Peters in

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<v Speaker 2>the Sondheim review.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh how was it?

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean, listen, it's ultimately like cruise ship vibes,

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<v Speaker 2>but the but the but Bernadette is still Bernadette. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like yes, it's like basically you know, people like

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<v Speaker 2>bringing out one like Barber's chair and doing a song

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<v Speaker 2>from Sweet Todd and then it leaves it and they

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<v Speaker 2>got like a top hat and do another like it's did.

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<v Speaker 3>She do not as Day goes by?

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<v Speaker 2>She did not go by? But she also did.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, I can't you're out gigging podcast. I can't contribute

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<v Speaker 1>at all, not at all, not even.

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<v Speaker 2>A little sam isn't.

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<v Speaker 3>William Finn died recently. That broke my heart. I cried

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<v Speaker 3>about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Never heard that name of This is my first time

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<v Speaker 2>hearing that.

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<v Speaker 3>I actually think we can talk about football after this,

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<v Speaker 3>but talk about musical theater references because I have to

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<v Speaker 3>do those on stage.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So like what Bernadette like doing musical theater, I had.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a bit that.

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<v Speaker 3>Would reference Liza Minelli and like it would generally it

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<v Speaker 3>would yeah, they do, but like younger people go oh

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<v Speaker 3>from Arrested Development and you go no from Fossy and

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<v Speaker 3>then like I changed it to Liam Michelle for one thing,

0:23:28.320 --> 0:23:31.080
<v Speaker 3>and they all know that they know Liam Michelle from Glee.

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<v Speaker 3>They from Glee and like, but cats, I have a

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<v Speaker 3>joke that ended up using cats and people knew that

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<v Speaker 3>well enough, little shop they know, but you find out

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<v Speaker 3>pretty quick and a lot of musicals don't. Don't pierce that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Hamilton, what would you say, as someone who's

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<v Speaker 2>not a musical person, what musicals bring to mind? Like

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<v Speaker 2>distinct what musicals do I know?

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<v Speaker 1>Basically, Yeah, it's like West Side Story, basically ones of

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<v Speaker 1>their famous movies, West Side Story, Chicago. Sound of Music, Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's pretty much.

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<v Speaker 3>Those are old. Yeah, Sound of Music is so old.

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<v Speaker 2>Damn.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I do wonder, you know, looking back fifty years from now,

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<v Speaker 2>what stuff from the twenty tens will have become canonized,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean? Like, what will be the

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<v Speaker 2>sound of me? What will be something that someone can

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<v Speaker 2>confidently reference?

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard to tell, like right now, literally, I'm like

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<v Speaker 1>I can only think of like Goga and Katy Perry

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<v Speaker 1>as like, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>For example, is the Sunken Place from get Out? Is

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<v Speaker 2>that going to be something that's interest as a concept,

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<v Speaker 2>Like people will still be saying that in the way

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<v Speaker 2>that we say, oh God, like some I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>reference from a sixties movie like Singing in the Rain

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<v Speaker 2>or something, you know, like.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, yeah, that one sounds like that's the but

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think if you ask my mom, what's the

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<v Speaker 3>sunken place from get out?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, total, I don't think she knows.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but she's on her way out of here.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the younger ones we're talking about. Okay. Our first

0:25:10.040 --> 0:25:13.040
<v Speaker 2>segment is called straight and in this segment, we test

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<v Speaker 2>your familiarity with and complicity in straight culture by asking

0:25:16.240 --> 0:25:18.159
<v Speaker 2>you a series of rapid fire questions where you have

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<v Speaker 2>to choose one thing or another thing. You have to

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<v Speaker 2>go with your gut, and the one rule is you

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<v Speaker 2>can't ask any follow up questions about how the game works.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, okay, wait, sorry, I uh oh Jesus, say what

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<v Speaker 3>you said again?

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<v Speaker 2>That's a followup question.

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<v Speaker 1>It okay, okay, just go okay, Lona del Ray or

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<v Speaker 1>what you say?

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<v Speaker 3>What you say?

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<v Speaker 2>Singing in the rain or putting on the.

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<v Speaker 1>Reds singing in the rain, a Trump impression or a

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<v Speaker 1>Rump inspection Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>Impression, insider trading or outsider.

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<v Speaker 3>Art insider trading, Honey, I'm home.

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<v Speaker 1>Or yummy a bone that's from the perspective of a dog.

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<v Speaker 3>Yummy a bone.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not right, but it's okay. Or getting a full

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<v Speaker 2>bright because you are gay, Getting a full bright because

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<v Speaker 2>you were gay.

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<v Speaker 1>Bernie Sanders at Coachella, or learning Spanish as a fella.

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<v Speaker 3>Bernie Sanders is at Coachella.

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<v Speaker 2>Being proficient in Excel or being carbon efficient take that shell.

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<v Speaker 3>Being proficient in excel.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. So we rate our guests currently on a scale

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<v Speaker 1>of one to one thousand blades of grass.

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<v Speaker 2>It's named after Lady Gaga song which is just called one. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say, okay, I think you gave an amazing performance.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the thinking, your performance of thinking was really

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<v Speaker 2>I would say theatrical. I would argue, as well, you

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<v Speaker 2>took did you take off your glasses during.

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<v Speaker 3>I think so.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's that's what we would call a reveal. Yes,

0:26:55.200 --> 0:26:57.920
<v Speaker 2>he said, this is a visual the visual medium, so

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<v Speaker 2>my cameras are on. I would definitely add a few

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<v Speaker 2>points for that. Yeah, I definitely think it is above

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<v Speaker 2>eight hundred.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to say nine hundred and one.

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<v Speaker 2>Who maulation, Thank you very question.

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<v Speaker 3>I told my girlfriend, I said, if I don't get

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<v Speaker 3>above nine hundred, I'm gonna walk right out. It used

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<v Speaker 3>to bekin of your teeth. Yeah, I want to see that.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to see Lady Gaga. I don't see a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of concerts. I'm not a concert guy, but but

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, I'm like, I have the means and the resources.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to see Lady Gaga no matter what on

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<v Speaker 3>this tour.

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<v Speaker 2>You know you're not going to be disappointed.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not disappointed.

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<v Speaker 3>I need the dancing. I need some dancing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she's sort of the only one still doing it.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I saw good concert when I was a kid,

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<v Speaker 3>Like that's when I saw I saw Spice Girls, I

0:27:39.760 --> 0:27:44.520
<v Speaker 3>saw Janet Jackson, I saw Pretty Spears early, like like

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<v Speaker 3>the school desks, school desks. No, I mean I do

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<v Speaker 3>have sisters, but that I was the one leading the charge.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I'm like, but this is your musical theater.

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<v Speaker 1>My question is more like socially, like, were you not

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<v Speaker 1>afraid of being made fun of for that?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't. I don't know, like people's interest. They were

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<v Speaker 3>all lame. It was just like a boring private school.

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<v Speaker 3>So there was no real bullying. I saw Spice Girls

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<v Speaker 3>in second grade, and I think there was just too young.

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<v Speaker 3>People weren't like bullying based on straight or gay quite yet.

0:28:14.880 --> 0:28:17.320
<v Speaker 3>But I went on a date in second grade with

0:28:17.720 --> 0:28:19.200
<v Speaker 3>there was a girl I had a crush on, Oh

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<v Speaker 3>my god, and her parents were like horrified. They didn't

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<v Speaker 3>know because it wasn't yet like inappropriate because we were

0:28:25.080 --> 0:28:28.000
<v Speaker 3>second graders. But then they went with my dad who

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<v Speaker 3>was like dating someone which you know, was not part

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<v Speaker 3>of their worldview, and she the rule was she had

0:28:35.600 --> 0:28:38.160
<v Speaker 3>to leave by ten pm or we had to get

0:28:38.160 --> 0:28:41.760
<v Speaker 3>home by ten or something. We left as the Spice

0:28:41.760 --> 0:28:44.800
<v Speaker 3>Girls started the show because they were two hours late,

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<v Speaker 3>of course, and I bowled, I cried and I wept

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<v Speaker 3>because we left the concert as it started because we

0:28:53.920 --> 0:28:55.040
<v Speaker 3>had to get her home in time.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm shocked that you didn't have any shame, to be honest, like.

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<v Speaker 3>In second grade, I fully feel like.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, my second grade, I was like, no, I agree.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew what boys liked and what girls liked, and

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<v Speaker 1>I knew I had to be on the boy side.

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<v Speaker 2>But this is actually think something I mean, I don't

0:29:08.920 --> 0:29:10.560
<v Speaker 2>know you that well, but I feel like this is

0:29:10.600 --> 0:29:13.320
<v Speaker 2>something that is very charming about you. Is like the

0:29:14.200 --> 0:29:18.720
<v Speaker 2>musical theater, Like you do just like have interests in

0:29:19.080 --> 0:29:21.959
<v Speaker 2>performance and in theater and yeah or whatever, but it

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<v Speaker 2>does not like.

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<v Speaker 3>My dad didn't have super masculine views though, like he

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't like musical theater, but he was of the disco era,

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<v Speaker 3>and I definitely think like that was a real we're

0:29:36.320 --> 0:29:38.000
<v Speaker 3>just all touching it. I mean he was a hippie

0:29:38.080 --> 0:29:40.640
<v Speaker 3>and disco, so there was a lot okay, So I

0:29:40.840 --> 0:29:44.800
<v Speaker 3>I think he just never I was into wrestling, which

0:29:44.800 --> 0:29:48.719
<v Speaker 3>felt very you know, just everyone's wearing nothing and you're

0:29:48.760 --> 0:29:51.360
<v Speaker 3>into other sports. No, I was terrible at sports. I

0:29:51.360 --> 0:29:53.760
<v Speaker 3>mean we watched football, but I never like was good

0:29:53.800 --> 0:29:56.719
<v Speaker 3>at them or like them. I so I never had

0:29:56.760 --> 0:29:59.640
<v Speaker 3>the pressure from my father. And in second grade, some

0:29:59.680 --> 0:30:03.200
<v Speaker 3>guys liked sports, some guys like Star Wars, but it

0:30:03.240 --> 0:30:06.040
<v Speaker 3>wasn't it hadn't coalesced yet into being a weird to

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<v Speaker 3>a Potomac Maryland near Bethesda, okay and not far from

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<v Speaker 3>DC Okay. So I just must have looked out. I

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<v Speaker 3>imagine there's I just lucked out in terms of my grade,

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<v Speaker 3>not being particularly like dude.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean sometimes sometimes you look out because I

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<v Speaker 1>would always mask anything I liked in my sister.

0:30:25.960 --> 0:30:28.520
<v Speaker 2>But but the thing is, like you you had something

0:30:28.520 --> 0:30:29.040
<v Speaker 2>to hide.

0:30:29.400 --> 0:30:33.120
<v Speaker 3>My sisters and I with Spice Girls. They sold like

0:30:33.160 --> 0:30:35.960
<v Speaker 3>little booklets at like Barnes and Nobles, and for one

0:30:36.000 --> 0:30:38.600
<v Speaker 3>for each Spice Girl, and like we all got one

0:30:38.840 --> 0:30:42.240
<v Speaker 3>and my favorite was baby, and my sister Victoria liked

0:30:42.760 --> 0:30:45.440
<v Speaker 3>Posh because they were similar to not just their name.

0:30:45.800 --> 0:30:48.200
<v Speaker 3>And then my other sister was sporty. And it was like,

0:30:49.120 --> 0:30:50.880
<v Speaker 3>maybe it's because I had sisters and they didn't give

0:30:50.920 --> 0:30:52.480
<v Speaker 3>me shit for it or you know, they were half

0:30:52.480 --> 0:30:53.960
<v Speaker 3>so I saw them half the time, so they didn't

0:30:54.000 --> 0:30:56.280
<v Speaker 3>have time to establish things. But I just kind of

0:30:56.280 --> 0:31:00.480
<v Speaker 3>fit in with them. I watched that Spice movie. I

0:31:00.520 --> 0:31:03.240
<v Speaker 3>had the VHS and there's something I don't know, but

0:31:03.360 --> 0:31:05.680
<v Speaker 3>like the girl Power. I would be heicy Mota and

0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:08.360
<v Speaker 3>I'd kick and I do that. It was just just

0:31:08.400 --> 0:31:09.959
<v Speaker 3>what it was. I don't know.

0:31:10.360 --> 0:31:12.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean that movie is the damn hit.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, it's Alan Comming. Yeah, so early Allen Comming.

0:31:15.760 --> 0:31:18.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean there's alt bits in there that is an alt.

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<v Speaker 3>With the tour bus and it jumps over the bridge.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on, it's fun.

0:31:22.480 --> 0:31:23.520
<v Speaker 3>Does it hold up? Is it fun?

0:31:23.960 --> 0:31:26.200
<v Speaker 1>I watched it maybe three years ago. The bits are

0:31:26.200 --> 0:31:28.719
<v Speaker 1>still funny, but it's longer than you expect.

0:31:28.840 --> 0:31:31.120
<v Speaker 3>And you're like, huh, the alien does the alien touch

0:31:31.160 --> 0:31:31.520
<v Speaker 3>her boob?

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<v Speaker 2>You see?

0:31:32.960 --> 0:31:35.280
<v Speaker 3>But that's like, to me, that's a heterosexual moment. That

0:31:35.360 --> 0:31:37.080
<v Speaker 3>they gave to me and I said, hey, I like

0:31:37.160 --> 0:31:37.480
<v Speaker 3>that part.

0:31:37.600 --> 0:31:43.720
<v Speaker 1>Okay, everybody gets a little early. Yeah, should we do

0:31:43.800 --> 0:31:44.240
<v Speaker 1>the topic?

0:31:44.480 --> 0:31:44.880
<v Speaker 3>Let's do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Please tell us what the straight topic is today and

0:31:48.760 --> 0:31:49.600
<v Speaker 1>what is straight about it?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh?

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<v Speaker 3>Weightlifting? We're talk about weightlifting. It's something I've I've dabbled

0:31:55.120 --> 0:31:58.080
<v Speaker 3>in and it definitely feels like a mix. What are

0:31:58.120 --> 0:32:02.480
<v Speaker 3>those territories where it's like, it's it straight, but it's

0:32:02.720 --> 0:32:06.280
<v Speaker 3>but it's but it's gay. It feels like a real

0:32:06.360 --> 0:32:08.480
<v Speaker 3>but it feels like a lot of guys go into weightlifting,

0:32:08.560 --> 0:32:11.040
<v Speaker 3>Like this is a straight space, absolutely, but I think

0:32:11.040 --> 0:32:12.520
<v Speaker 3>a lot of times straight men are looking for like

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<v Speaker 3>a way that they can be physical with each other

0:32:16.760 --> 0:32:21.160
<v Speaker 3>that feels safe from being in weightlifting. Is that spotting?

0:32:21.760 --> 0:32:22.920
<v Speaker 2>Please? Yeah?

0:32:22.960 --> 0:32:23.280
<v Speaker 3>Please?

0:32:23.360 --> 0:32:25.840
<v Speaker 1>Well, I agree, I think it is a very straight space.

0:32:25.920 --> 0:32:29.080
<v Speaker 1>And honestly, spotting is where I'm I'm I'm out. Like

0:32:29.160 --> 0:32:30.520
<v Speaker 1>when someone's like, can you spot me, I'm.

0:32:30.360 --> 0:32:31.520
<v Speaker 3>Like no, no, no, no, no, no no no no, no,

0:32:32.160 --> 0:32:34.360
<v Speaker 3>oh my god, the bars falling out, no no no

0:32:34.440 --> 0:32:34.560
<v Speaker 3>no no.

0:32:35.800 --> 0:32:37.200
<v Speaker 1>When they asked me to stand there, I'm like, you

0:32:37.240 --> 0:32:39.760
<v Speaker 1>don't understand, Like I'm faking, but I don't.

0:32:40.000 --> 0:32:42.320
<v Speaker 2>This is the difference between the straight lifting and gay lift. Like,

0:32:42.400 --> 0:32:45.440
<v Speaker 2>I do think there's something very individualistic about the way

0:32:45.480 --> 0:32:47.360
<v Speaker 2>gay guys do it, which is like, tell me, this

0:32:47.560 --> 0:32:51.120
<v Speaker 2>is my time to make myself hotter so that I

0:32:51.160 --> 0:32:53.720
<v Speaker 2>can go to Fire Island. Yes, And then for straight guys,

0:32:53.760 --> 0:32:55.920
<v Speaker 2>they're all like having such a good time and are

0:32:55.920 --> 0:33:01.200
<v Speaker 2>there together and are like, you know, sharing tips online, yeah, podcasts.

0:33:01.440 --> 0:33:03.760
<v Speaker 3>I went to Fire Island for a day. Jay Jorden

0:33:03.880 --> 0:33:04.560
<v Speaker 3>brought me around.

0:33:05.280 --> 0:33:06.840
<v Speaker 2>He was like, look the gym.

0:33:07.560 --> 0:33:11.000
<v Speaker 3>Upon arrival was the funniest thing I've ever seen in

0:33:11.080 --> 0:33:14.240
<v Speaker 3>my life. Just the idea of like some last minute

0:33:14.320 --> 0:33:17.960
<v Speaker 3>cramming before you go to the parties, and like it's

0:33:18.080 --> 0:33:20.400
<v Speaker 3>not it doesn't smell great, it's and it's like a

0:33:20.600 --> 0:33:24.520
<v Speaker 3>rough if you're going on that treadmill, just go back

0:33:24.600 --> 0:33:28.480
<v Speaker 3>to Manhattan, Like you're not solving it on that treadmill

0:33:28.880 --> 0:33:32.240
<v Speaker 3>for thirty minutes, and it just it was just awful

0:33:32.320 --> 0:33:34.640
<v Speaker 3>conditions to work out. I would have to be so

0:33:36.080 --> 0:33:37.280
<v Speaker 3>so desperate.

0:33:37.400 --> 0:33:38.960
<v Speaker 1>Well, when you're there for a week, sometimes you gotta

0:33:38.960 --> 0:33:39.880
<v Speaker 1>pop in for a minute.

0:33:39.920 --> 0:33:41.600
<v Speaker 3>You've done that, You've popped in.

0:33:42.320 --> 0:33:44.360
<v Speaker 1>Last year, I popped in for the first time because honestly,

0:33:44.400 --> 0:33:45.719
<v Speaker 1>it started to feel like, okay, well I'm the only

0:33:45.800 --> 0:33:48.400
<v Speaker 1>one not popping in, so everyone else is like gets

0:33:48.440 --> 0:33:50.720
<v Speaker 1>a little pump in for the day, and meanwhile I'm like,

0:33:50.720 --> 0:33:53.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm on vacation. And then they're all like, where's his pump?

0:33:54.800 --> 0:33:55.120
<v Speaker 3>Huh?

0:33:55.880 --> 0:33:57.320
<v Speaker 2>So I said, you know what, you can't beat him

0:33:57.360 --> 0:33:57.680
<v Speaker 2>joining up?

0:33:57.720 --> 0:33:59.719
<v Speaker 3>Did you do a do you do a hard workout?

0:34:00.080 --> 0:34:05.240
<v Speaker 1>Just get a light little sweater, a light sweat you sure, sure,

0:34:05.520 --> 0:34:06.800
<v Speaker 1>just make sure it's all engaged.

0:34:07.800 --> 0:34:10.560
<v Speaker 2>I okay. So in terms of weightlifting being straight, because

0:34:10.560 --> 0:34:12.200
<v Speaker 2>I do think this is such a like rich topic.

0:34:12.480 --> 0:34:14.640
<v Speaker 2>At the most basic level, you are trying to make

0:34:14.680 --> 0:34:17.880
<v Speaker 2>yourself larger, which is of course like taking up space.

0:34:18.040 --> 0:34:21.520
<v Speaker 2>So that's like just thinking very like basic. Okay, you're

0:34:21.560 --> 0:34:23.319
<v Speaker 2>trying to make yourself larger, and you're trying to make

0:34:23.320 --> 0:34:26.000
<v Speaker 2>yourself look more like a statue of a man, like

0:34:26.320 --> 0:34:29.279
<v Speaker 2>you are trying to be more man, and you are

0:34:29.360 --> 0:34:32.439
<v Speaker 2>trying to be large. Okay, So that's one thing. Something

0:34:32.480 --> 0:34:35.400
<v Speaker 2>that's complicated about it is like if sports are straight,

0:34:35.480 --> 0:34:38.920
<v Speaker 2>there's something about lifting that's almost like skipping the middleman

0:34:39.000 --> 0:34:42.719
<v Speaker 2>of doing anything that's useful. Like in the olden days

0:34:42.719 --> 0:34:45.520
<v Speaker 2>you would get buff by like doing manual labor and

0:34:45.840 --> 0:34:48.160
<v Speaker 2>or playing sports, so you would be doing something that

0:34:48.560 --> 0:34:51.200
<v Speaker 2>had some sort of other value, whether you're adding value

0:34:51.239 --> 0:34:53.520
<v Speaker 2>to society or you're adding or you have like camaraderie

0:34:53.520 --> 0:34:57.320
<v Speaker 2>and the athletics ya, And to do lifting is very shortcut,

0:34:57.480 --> 0:35:00.120
<v Speaker 2>and in that sense it's also straight because it is like,

0:35:01.400 --> 0:35:03.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's like insider trading, Like it's like skipping,

0:35:04.080 --> 0:35:07.879
<v Speaker 2>skipping the step of doing more complex work to get

0:35:07.960 --> 0:35:12.359
<v Speaker 2>to the direct result that you want. Yeah, but it's

0:35:12.400 --> 0:35:16.840
<v Speaker 2>also gay to not play sports and want to get up,

0:35:16.840 --> 0:35:17.359
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean.

0:35:17.600 --> 0:35:20.399
<v Speaker 1>Well, buff for gay guys is like a reaction. It's

0:35:20.480 --> 0:35:22.880
<v Speaker 1>like it's a it's a way to sort of like

0:35:23.040 --> 0:35:26.360
<v Speaker 1>reclaim being made fun of as a child. Yeah, Whereas

0:35:26.400 --> 0:35:29.080
<v Speaker 1>like for straight guys, there's not like a it's not

0:35:29.160 --> 0:35:30.920
<v Speaker 1>necessarily reaction as much as it's just.

0:35:31.040 --> 0:35:34.879
<v Speaker 2>Like, well, I do want to be bigger. For gay guys,

0:35:34.920 --> 0:35:38.600
<v Speaker 2>it is so tied up with like issues around masculinity

0:35:39.239 --> 0:35:43.640
<v Speaker 2>and reacting to being called effeminate or being called girlish

0:35:43.920 --> 0:35:45.680
<v Speaker 2>and being like, well, I'll show you I'll become even

0:35:45.719 --> 0:35:47.040
<v Speaker 2>bigger than the man.

0:35:49.160 --> 0:35:52.440
<v Speaker 1>There's something about a gym feeling like a straight space

0:35:52.480 --> 0:35:54.840
<v Speaker 1>where you're like whenever I walk into a gym for

0:35:54.880 --> 0:35:57.800
<v Speaker 1>the first time, I'm like, Okay, everyone here is straight,

0:35:58.160 --> 0:35:59.680
<v Speaker 1>and then if you're good there for like a few months,

0:35:59.719 --> 0:36:02.560
<v Speaker 1>you're like, Okay, actually only those two guys are yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:36:02.600 --> 0:36:05.759
<v Speaker 1>because everyone's kind of pretending in a really weird way.

0:36:06.040 --> 0:36:08.160
<v Speaker 3>I just think, I mean, at least going to like that.

0:36:08.560 --> 0:36:11.359
<v Speaker 3>There's one party at Fire Island where I was like, oh,

0:36:11.440 --> 0:36:14.200
<v Speaker 3>it feels it was like everyone was the exact same

0:36:14.280 --> 0:36:18.879
<v Speaker 3>body type, and I thought, man, I don't I can't

0:36:18.920 --> 0:36:23.239
<v Speaker 3>imagine the social dynamics with this, just dealing with that

0:36:23.440 --> 0:36:25.239
<v Speaker 3>on top of everything else. It's like when you see

0:36:25.239 --> 0:36:27.319
<v Speaker 3>a picture and it's like twenty guys on Fire Island

0:36:27.320 --> 0:36:29.000
<v Speaker 3>and they all have a six pack. I'm like, if

0:36:29.040 --> 0:36:31.680
<v Speaker 3>one of you goes through depression, do they make you

0:36:31.760 --> 0:36:34.759
<v Speaker 3>take the picture? Like where where? Where are you? Like?

0:36:35.040 --> 0:36:36.920
<v Speaker 3>Or is there a different party? It was and I

0:36:37.239 --> 0:36:39.440
<v Speaker 3>and I was I was in a good place when

0:36:39.480 --> 0:36:41.120
<v Speaker 3>I went to this party. I was, I felt, I

0:36:41.160 --> 0:36:44.080
<v Speaker 3>felt I belonged. It was very I noticed at this

0:36:44.120 --> 0:36:46.680
<v Speaker 3>party there was someone who was like by all means

0:36:46.800 --> 0:36:50.440
<v Speaker 3>in good shape, but slightly uh, not as cut as

0:36:50.480 --> 0:36:52.560
<v Speaker 3>everyone else At the party and he was like the

0:36:52.840 --> 0:36:54.360
<v Speaker 3>kind of silly one there.

0:36:54.560 --> 0:36:57.160
<v Speaker 2>And he was like, welcome to our life.

0:36:58.400 --> 0:37:01.240
<v Speaker 3>But there's somebody because I was like, you're in fantastic shape,

0:37:01.440 --> 0:37:04.799
<v Speaker 3>it says everyone else is as is here Cody from

0:37:04.840 --> 0:37:07.200
<v Speaker 3>the uh A Peloton is here, Like.

0:37:07.400 --> 0:37:09.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that's pastcast on this podcast.

0:37:10.040 --> 0:37:13.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah he said hi, And all I said was a

0:37:14.040 --> 0:37:17.120
<v Speaker 3>big fan And it just felt like the light left design. Ah,

0:37:17.480 --> 0:37:19.440
<v Speaker 3>I should have And I was like, oh, you love

0:37:19.480 --> 0:37:23.400
<v Speaker 3>my spin material. Yeah, he I wouldn't have to explain

0:37:23.480 --> 0:37:23.800
<v Speaker 3>it to you.

0:37:24.520 --> 0:37:26.200
<v Speaker 1>Also, you're right, they do make you take the picture.

0:37:26.840 --> 0:37:29.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And what you're describing about being the silly one,

0:37:29.440 --> 0:37:33.440
<v Speaker 2>it's I mean, it is the you know, it is

0:37:33.480 --> 0:37:36.360
<v Speaker 2>the gig equivalent of like the very sexist trope of

0:37:36.480 --> 0:37:38.200
<v Speaker 2>like the there's like a group of girls and there

0:37:38.239 --> 0:37:40.400
<v Speaker 2>was like the one ugly one and and but the

0:37:40.480 --> 0:37:40.880
<v Speaker 2>thing was like.

0:37:40.920 --> 0:37:44.040
<v Speaker 3>This ugly one was like truly, of course, if he

0:37:44.200 --> 0:37:47.080
<v Speaker 3>was straight, he'd be the fucking every guy be like, fuck,

0:37:47.120 --> 0:37:48.040
<v Speaker 3>he's so with shape?

0:37:48.520 --> 0:37:51.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what is what is okay?

0:37:51.800 --> 0:37:52.320
<v Speaker 2>Weightlifting?

0:37:52.480 --> 0:37:55.640
<v Speaker 1>I agree with this idea. The weightlifting is straight, but

0:37:55.760 --> 0:37:58.319
<v Speaker 1>it is an interesting difference where it's not having having

0:37:58.360 --> 0:38:01.279
<v Speaker 1>a perfect body isn't straight, Like the goal to have

0:38:01.360 --> 0:38:04.000
<v Speaker 1>a perfect body is not the same in straight culture

0:38:04.320 --> 0:38:04.960
<v Speaker 1>whereas like but.

0:38:05.160 --> 0:38:07.040
<v Speaker 3>But it's a different kind of perfect body. It's like

0:38:07.680 --> 0:38:10.359
<v Speaker 3>I feel like with straight guys. I mean, I don't

0:38:10.400 --> 0:38:13.080
<v Speaker 3>know if like professional weightlifting. I saw like the Arnold

0:38:13.080 --> 0:38:17.440
<v Speaker 3>Swarzenegger documentary, and you see like those dudes, and I'm

0:38:17.480 --> 0:38:20.880
<v Speaker 3>sure some of them are gay, but like Arnold seems

0:38:21.120 --> 0:38:25.520
<v Speaker 3>pretty straight. But there's still is this like he likes

0:38:25.600 --> 0:38:27.600
<v Speaker 3>the male body. I'm sure he went to guys and

0:38:27.640 --> 0:38:30.480
<v Speaker 3>they go leves flex flex, let me feel, and I'm

0:38:30.520 --> 0:38:32.560
<v Speaker 3>sure if they could lick they would too. But like

0:38:32.680 --> 0:38:34.680
<v Speaker 3>some there's something I don't know.

0:38:34.760 --> 0:38:35.680
<v Speaker 2>It's just it's you.

0:38:35.880 --> 0:38:38.880
<v Speaker 3>You you like the male body. Like sometimes I think

0:38:38.880 --> 0:38:41.000
<v Speaker 3>you can like like in my male body, but because

0:38:41.000 --> 0:38:42.719
<v Speaker 3>you like you, like I want that body. I want

0:38:42.760 --> 0:38:45.360
<v Speaker 3>to be that body. And that isn't necessarily sexual in

0:38:45.400 --> 0:38:47.440
<v Speaker 3>the same way wanting to have sex with someone, but

0:38:47.520 --> 0:38:48.200
<v Speaker 3>it is sexual.

0:38:48.520 --> 0:38:50.719
<v Speaker 1>Well, this is that classic thing where like it goes

0:38:50.800 --> 0:38:52.799
<v Speaker 1>back to even straight guys can jerk off with each

0:38:52.800 --> 0:38:55.160
<v Speaker 1>other and it's just male bonding, but they never invite

0:38:55.160 --> 0:38:56.160
<v Speaker 1>gay guys to jerk off with them.

0:38:56.760 --> 0:38:58.480
<v Speaker 3>So I actually First of all, I've never jerked off

0:38:58.520 --> 0:38:59.439
<v Speaker 3>with another guy.

0:38:59.520 --> 0:39:01.760
<v Speaker 2>You are too bays to go in that Spice Girls concert.

0:39:02.640 --> 0:39:03.880
<v Speaker 3>Are a lot of straight guys saying this.

0:39:04.600 --> 0:39:08.000
<v Speaker 2>That's the high school, middle school thing of like straight

0:39:08.080 --> 0:39:11.560
<v Speaker 2>guys all drinking off together. Yeah, okay, so so you

0:39:11.600 --> 0:39:14.800
<v Speaker 2>went to a different kind of non apotomac Okay. So

0:39:15.080 --> 0:39:18.640
<v Speaker 2>I do think much like the there's something about something

0:39:18.680 --> 0:39:21.719
<v Speaker 2>being so gay that it's just straight. And I think

0:39:21.760 --> 0:39:23.840
<v Speaker 2>bodybuilding is one of those things. Like bodybuilding, if you

0:39:23.880 --> 0:39:27.080
<v Speaker 2>think about it, it's literally men getting oiled up and posing.

0:39:27.480 --> 0:39:29.640
<v Speaker 2>That's like something out of a gay guy's imagination. And

0:39:29.800 --> 0:39:33.400
<v Speaker 2>yet because it's so far in that direction, it like

0:39:34.000 --> 0:39:37.640
<v Speaker 2>transcends sexuality and becomes a completely straight thing or something,

0:39:37.960 --> 0:39:38.440
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean.

0:39:39.360 --> 0:39:42.359
<v Speaker 3>Isn't kind of like when when when a gay guy

0:39:42.880 --> 0:39:45.560
<v Speaker 3>is getting in shape or buff. I mean, it's per

0:39:45.640 --> 0:39:47.320
<v Speaker 3>the fire Island point, like is in part of it like,

0:39:47.680 --> 0:39:50.200
<v Speaker 3>oh this is really going to change my sexual life.

0:39:50.239 --> 0:39:51.640
<v Speaker 3>There's a lot more people who are going to want

0:39:51.640 --> 0:39:55.520
<v Speaker 3>to hook up, and and for some there's more open relationships. Sure,

0:39:55.640 --> 0:39:57.920
<v Speaker 3>certainly with like a guy. It doesn't always feel like

0:39:57.960 --> 0:40:01.800
<v Speaker 3>the weightlifting is necessarily too attract the opposite gender. I

0:40:01.880 --> 0:40:03.320
<v Speaker 3>mean a lot of times they're in a relationship, it

0:40:03.400 --> 0:40:06.399
<v Speaker 3>really is about them. Sex isn't as much a part

0:40:06.480 --> 0:40:08.279
<v Speaker 3>of wanting to do it. I've always thought of I

0:40:08.440 --> 0:40:11.839
<v Speaker 3>was like a gay guy, especially open relationship, like I'd

0:40:11.880 --> 0:40:14.680
<v Speaker 3>be motivated to like work even because it would it

0:40:14.680 --> 0:40:16.879
<v Speaker 3>would kind of it would change the whole dynamic. It's

0:40:17.440 --> 0:40:20.959
<v Speaker 3>shape has no effect on my interpersonal life.

0:40:21.080 --> 0:40:23.719
<v Speaker 2>It's a more feminine impulse. For It's like putting on

0:40:23.800 --> 0:40:27.480
<v Speaker 2>makeup for gamment, yes, whereas for straight men it is. Uh,

0:40:29.000 --> 0:40:31.360
<v Speaker 2>it's like health, health oriented.

0:40:31.080 --> 0:40:34.960
<v Speaker 3>Health oriented and for the for other other guys, but

0:40:35.080 --> 0:40:37.200
<v Speaker 3>in a different way, not for sex, but just like.

0:40:37.719 --> 0:40:40.600
<v Speaker 2>It's competition, competition, sexual competition.

0:40:40.440 --> 0:40:43.520
<v Speaker 3>In bonding, something to like relate about and and again

0:40:43.600 --> 0:40:47.120
<v Speaker 3>to like be able to engage physically. I think there's

0:40:47.239 --> 0:40:51.240
<v Speaker 3>just like the desire to engage physically but still feel

0:40:51.719 --> 0:40:54.520
<v Speaker 3>like you're you're straight or it doesn't. It feels like

0:40:54.600 --> 0:40:58.080
<v Speaker 3>structured so you're allowed to do that. I just I

0:40:58.120 --> 0:41:00.439
<v Speaker 3>don't know. It goes back to sports too. I feel

0:41:00.520 --> 0:41:04.480
<v Speaker 3>like I had have friend he played soccer, and I

0:41:04.560 --> 0:41:06.320
<v Speaker 3>remember once I hung out with him after college. He

0:41:06.360 --> 0:41:09.520
<v Speaker 3>played soccer at Stanford and we were going out one

0:41:09.640 --> 0:41:13.279
<v Speaker 3>night to like a club nightmare night for me. We

0:41:13.360 --> 0:41:14.799
<v Speaker 3>went to like one of their houses. They all were

0:41:14.880 --> 0:41:17.040
<v Speaker 3>on the soccer team together, and this guy took a

0:41:17.120 --> 0:41:19.399
<v Speaker 3>shower all in his room and he like came out

0:41:19.640 --> 0:41:21.480
<v Speaker 3>and he was naked. And these are all these are

0:41:21.640 --> 0:41:26.600
<v Speaker 3>straight guys. I am gay there and this guy is naked,

0:41:27.040 --> 0:41:28.839
<v Speaker 3>and you know, these are the guys just went locker

0:41:29.000 --> 0:41:30.560
<v Speaker 3>in the locker room for this whole time. And this

0:41:30.600 --> 0:41:32.400
<v Speaker 3>guy's naked and he's just standing there kind of like

0:41:32.520 --> 0:41:35.799
<v Speaker 3>talking and just we were in his room, but he's

0:41:35.880 --> 0:41:39.160
<v Speaker 3>naked for a massively long amount of time. And I

0:41:39.480 --> 0:41:41.080
<v Speaker 3>thought in that moment, I was like, I've been to

0:41:41.440 --> 0:41:44.239
<v Speaker 3>six musical theater sleep boy camps, I've had I've had

0:41:44.239 --> 0:41:46.640
<v Speaker 3>gay friends, I've had gay roommates. What we are doing

0:41:46.760 --> 0:41:50.080
<v Speaker 3>right now is the most erotic thing I have ever

0:41:50.200 --> 0:41:53.480
<v Speaker 3>been a part of in my entire life. And these

0:41:53.520 --> 0:41:57.560
<v Speaker 3>guys would never would never think of themselves think of

0:41:57.640 --> 0:41:58.719
<v Speaker 3>it as homosexual at all.

0:41:58.760 --> 0:41:59.600
<v Speaker 2>Were they addressing it?

0:42:00.120 --> 0:42:01.560
<v Speaker 3>No, he was just he was just he was And

0:42:01.640 --> 0:42:03.880
<v Speaker 3>he wasn't like standing like I'd be sitting like he

0:42:04.040 --> 0:42:07.080
<v Speaker 3>was standing kind of like a statue. I always think

0:42:07.160 --> 0:42:10.640
<v Speaker 3>like when guys get so worked up about a gay

0:42:10.880 --> 0:42:12.719
<v Speaker 3>a gay person in the locker room, like with with

0:42:12.840 --> 0:42:17.239
<v Speaker 3>football or whatever. I think it's because it acknowledges that

0:42:17.520 --> 0:42:22.400
<v Speaker 3>what they're doing is kind of erotic showering together, and

0:42:22.520 --> 0:42:24.480
<v Speaker 3>so if someone there who wants to fuck to go,

0:42:24.640 --> 0:42:26.160
<v Speaker 3>he just wants to fuck us, it's like, well, you're there,

0:42:26.160 --> 0:42:28.760
<v Speaker 3>you're slapping each other's asses. But it's it's the threat.

0:42:28.840 --> 0:42:31.920
<v Speaker 3>It's all just a thought experiment that they've established that

0:42:32.040 --> 0:42:34.400
<v Speaker 3>this is not gay, and it's like, maybe it's not gay,

0:42:34.440 --> 0:42:37.239
<v Speaker 3>but it's erotic. It is erotic almost.

0:42:37.280 --> 0:42:39.200
<v Speaker 2>So what you're afraid of is not that the gay

0:42:39.239 --> 0:42:40.480
<v Speaker 2>guy in the locker room is going to hit on you.

0:42:40.560 --> 0:42:42.800
<v Speaker 2>What you're afraid of is that you're gonna be attracted

0:42:42.840 --> 0:42:45.719
<v Speaker 2>to him. Sure, it's like if you're holding a baby,

0:42:45.760 --> 0:42:48.040
<v Speaker 2>you're not afraid of dropping it. You're afraid you're gonna

0:42:48.040 --> 0:42:55.399
<v Speaker 2>accidentally like throw it. Like it's like you're confronting part

0:42:55.600 --> 0:42:57.000
<v Speaker 2>a part of yourself that you have suppressed.

0:42:57.160 --> 0:42:59.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but so yeah, I think I think that's what

0:43:00.120 --> 0:43:04.319
<v Speaker 3>weightlifting is just another form of like and some guys

0:43:04.360 --> 0:43:05.759
<v Speaker 3>love it. Good for them, God bless.

0:43:06.360 --> 0:43:09.600
<v Speaker 1>What about grunting? M grunting while lifting.

0:43:11.040 --> 0:43:12.760
<v Speaker 3>If you really push yourself straight.

0:43:13.400 --> 0:43:15.640
<v Speaker 1>I've never felt the need to grunt.

0:43:16.040 --> 0:43:18.799
<v Speaker 2>I sometimes sometimes it happens by accident, and I feel

0:43:18.920 --> 0:43:19.680
<v Speaker 2>so humiliated.

0:43:20.160 --> 0:43:22.000
<v Speaker 3>I know, but that's how you know you're working hard. Yes,

0:43:22.480 --> 0:43:27.240
<v Speaker 3>I there's overdoing it. There's there's performative grunting.

0:43:27.400 --> 0:43:29.799
<v Speaker 2>No, but I do think, like sometimes it comes out?

0:43:29.920 --> 0:43:31.640
<v Speaker 2>Does it never come out for you? Not once?

0:43:31.920 --> 0:43:33.240
<v Speaker 1>Really I'm silent.

0:43:33.520 --> 0:43:35.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I have to like focus in order to be silent,

0:43:35.680 --> 0:43:38.120
<v Speaker 2>because by default I will be like, like.

0:43:39.200 --> 0:43:41.960
<v Speaker 3>I curse I like really, I love to curse. I

0:43:42.400 --> 0:43:45.440
<v Speaker 3>When I was doing why did you Zoom? Workouts during COVID,

0:43:45.480 --> 0:43:47.560
<v Speaker 3>there was one time that my roommate was like, you

0:43:47.960 --> 0:43:52.040
<v Speaker 3>gotta chill it out because I'd be like fuck yeah, fuck,

0:43:52.880 --> 0:43:54.719
<v Speaker 3>and he was like you can't. You can't do that.

0:43:55.280 --> 0:43:56.520
<v Speaker 3>And I had to learn. I had to learn.

0:43:56.600 --> 0:43:58.759
<v Speaker 2>Wow was it hard to learn?

0:43:59.400 --> 0:44:01.480
<v Speaker 3>It was hard to learn. I'm I'm a night between

0:44:01.560 --> 0:44:05.560
<v Speaker 3>the singing practice and the grunting and the I'm a noisy.

0:44:05.880 --> 0:44:09.040
<v Speaker 2>Tough, tough room tough. I mean, I do think occurred

0:44:09.080 --> 0:44:11.840
<v Speaker 2>just naturally a performer, the grunting comes out more not

0:44:11.920 --> 0:44:15.719
<v Speaker 2>to say that you're not perform. It's interesting. I think

0:44:15.760 --> 0:44:19.120
<v Speaker 2>another straight thing about lifting is also the like self

0:44:19.200 --> 0:44:23.800
<v Speaker 2>optimization element of it, Like you are, it's very Silicon

0:44:23.880 --> 0:44:26.479
<v Speaker 2>valley like, well, it has been.

0:44:26.400 --> 0:44:28.520
<v Speaker 1>Co opted by this type right now and sort of

0:44:28.600 --> 0:44:33.319
<v Speaker 1>this like techie even manospheri ish type, which I don't

0:44:33.400 --> 0:44:36.840
<v Speaker 1>know how. This is the other thing of sort of

0:44:36.880 --> 0:44:40.120
<v Speaker 1>talking about time. You know, this is that manosphere tech

0:44:40.200 --> 0:44:42.360
<v Speaker 1>guy stuff is sort of some guy's heime and I

0:44:42.400 --> 0:44:43.080
<v Speaker 1>can never tell.

0:44:43.000 --> 0:44:43.840
<v Speaker 2>How it is.

0:44:43.960 --> 0:44:46.320
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it was enough to win an election, you

0:44:46.360 --> 0:44:48.520
<v Speaker 3>know what I mean. But like, but like I as

0:44:48.520 --> 0:44:52.000
<v Speaker 3>soon as I see videos for these man camps, like it.

0:44:52.120 --> 0:44:54.359
<v Speaker 2>Keeps up where it's like a guy being yelled at.

0:44:54.360 --> 0:44:55.040
<v Speaker 1>I've seen this stuff.

0:44:55.080 --> 0:44:58.160
<v Speaker 3>They're being yelled at, but they're also journaling and they're

0:44:58.200 --> 0:45:03.000
<v Speaker 3>also I'm like, I'm like, this is I don't judge

0:45:03.040 --> 0:45:05.640
<v Speaker 3>it because I go I went to acting camp. These

0:45:05.760 --> 0:45:08.640
<v Speaker 3>guys did not get this. They never got to do

0:45:08.800 --> 0:45:12.000
<v Speaker 3>the artist's way. And if we can rebrand the Artist's

0:45:12.040 --> 0:45:15.040
<v Speaker 3>way for straight guys and just change the cover and

0:45:15.200 --> 0:45:19.640
<v Speaker 3>be like the real Roseway. Yeah, the dudes, the dudes

0:45:19.960 --> 0:45:25.680
<v Speaker 3>Dude's journey, like they there's something where it's almost like

0:45:25.719 --> 0:45:29.880
<v Speaker 3>a horseshoe theory in terms of like sexuality or femininity.

0:45:30.000 --> 0:45:32.879
<v Speaker 3>It's like they're going so far here that suddenly they're

0:45:33.000 --> 0:45:35.360
<v Speaker 3>in groups together journaling and talking about their feelings. And

0:45:35.400 --> 0:45:37.520
<v Speaker 3>You're like, if we can bring it all the way,

0:45:38.080 --> 0:45:40.799
<v Speaker 3>you'll understand that that you just have not been given

0:45:40.840 --> 0:45:45.000
<v Speaker 3>a space in society to express yourself. And those those camps,

0:45:45.200 --> 0:45:46.720
<v Speaker 3>I look at them and I'm like, this is theater

0:45:46.840 --> 0:45:48.160
<v Speaker 3>camp for men in their fifties.

0:45:48.760 --> 0:45:51.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. My fear is that they think the reason they

0:45:51.080 --> 0:45:54.400
<v Speaker 2>haven't been given space to journal is because of feminism,

0:45:54.680 --> 0:45:58.399
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean? Sure, Like because I it's

0:45:58.440 --> 0:46:01.239
<v Speaker 2>almost like everyone of all political stripes can agree on

0:46:01.280 --> 0:46:05.320
<v Speaker 2>the problem that there's a christ some vaguely defined crisis

0:46:05.400 --> 0:46:08.200
<v Speaker 2>of masculinity. Then it's like either you look at that

0:46:08.239 --> 0:46:10.520
<v Speaker 2>in the right wing way or where you're like, well,

0:46:10.600 --> 0:46:14.560
<v Speaker 2>the reason is because women are you know, taking have

0:46:14.719 --> 0:46:17.440
<v Speaker 2>taken them down and don't allow them to flourish, or

0:46:17.520 --> 0:46:19.799
<v Speaker 2>you look at it from like the opposite perspective, which

0:46:19.840 --> 0:46:22.359
<v Speaker 2>is like patriarchy also affects men.

0:46:22.440 --> 0:46:25.520
<v Speaker 3>And we'll look at Jordan Peterson. Jordan Peterson, He's like

0:46:25.600 --> 0:46:27.440
<v Speaker 3>he's like crying all the time, and I look at him.

0:46:27.440 --> 0:46:29.360
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, how are you part of the manisphere?

0:46:30.160 --> 0:46:32.520
<v Speaker 2>You were the most plain, bullyant suits totally.

0:46:32.680 --> 0:46:35.600
<v Speaker 3>You're sobbing And I go like, they're the key is

0:46:35.680 --> 0:46:40.279
<v Speaker 3>in there somewhere, And unfortunately it's's hard because you know,

0:46:40.480 --> 0:46:43.520
<v Speaker 3>those guys will see on Twitter someone go, men are

0:46:43.600 --> 0:46:47.080
<v Speaker 3>trash and and they're so emotionally vulnerable they could fuck you.

0:46:47.800 --> 0:46:49.040
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to man camp.

0:46:50.840 --> 0:46:51.640
<v Speaker 2>I know it's tough.

0:46:52.320 --> 0:46:53.799
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean when you do it like that, I'm

0:46:53.800 --> 0:46:55.840
<v Speaker 1>almost like, well, actually, now, I like I like the

0:46:55.880 --> 0:46:57.719
<v Speaker 1>man camps, then everyone should go.

0:46:58.040 --> 0:47:00.920
<v Speaker 3>But maybe that's what happens. It's like at the end

0:47:00.920 --> 0:47:02.800
<v Speaker 3>of the man camp, the council goes. Just so you know,

0:47:03.400 --> 0:47:05.640
<v Speaker 3>this was actually gay camp. Yeah.

0:47:05.719 --> 0:47:06.960
<v Speaker 2>I was liberal the whole time.

0:47:07.280 --> 0:47:08.520
<v Speaker 3>Liberal the whole time.

0:47:08.760 --> 0:47:11.879
<v Speaker 2>That peoples off the mask and it's a mask, get

0:47:11.920 --> 0:47:14.480
<v Speaker 2>them at their most vulnerable and then screen moonstruck.

0:47:14.920 --> 0:47:15.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah you know what I mean.

0:47:16.239 --> 0:47:18.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that says something as simple as that.

0:47:19.080 --> 0:47:23.000
<v Speaker 1>I actually think the idea that everyone just needs to

0:47:23.000 --> 0:47:25.279
<v Speaker 1>go to acting camp and like embarrassing to shame and

0:47:25.360 --> 0:47:27.799
<v Speaker 1>bring them down, Like absolutely that's true.

0:47:27.920 --> 0:47:28.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's basically what.

0:47:28.920 --> 0:47:29.400
<v Speaker 3>We all need.

0:47:30.000 --> 0:47:32.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because we get a little scab on us.

0:47:32.760 --> 0:47:33.400
<v Speaker 2>When we don't do that.

0:47:33.719 --> 0:47:35.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's something Sometimes I look back in it and

0:47:35.680 --> 0:47:38.920
<v Speaker 3>I go, like I should have learned skills, and then

0:47:39.000 --> 0:47:41.480
<v Speaker 3>I go, but then then I'd be longing for that thing.

0:47:41.640 --> 0:47:43.839
<v Speaker 3>Now it's like I got it. I needed that when

0:47:43.880 --> 0:47:44.680
<v Speaker 3>I was at that age.

0:47:45.320 --> 0:47:47.120
<v Speaker 2>No, I completely agree. I wish I had gotten to

0:47:47.120 --> 0:47:50.600
<v Speaker 2>acting camp. Do you know what's interesting about lifting is

0:47:52.239 --> 0:47:55.040
<v Speaker 2>via the manisphere of via Silicon Valley whatever. Now it's

0:47:55.080 --> 0:47:57.840
<v Speaker 2>like Mark Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos are rip Yeah, that

0:47:58.160 --> 0:47:59.920
<v Speaker 2>is a big shift that has happened in this generation.

0:48:00.239 --> 0:48:04.000
<v Speaker 2>Like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates were not ripped. I

0:48:04.040 --> 0:48:07.239
<v Speaker 2>will say being ripped is starting to be meaningless.

0:48:07.640 --> 0:48:10.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, in a weird way. It's because you can just

0:48:10.600 --> 0:48:12.640
<v Speaker 1>do it, like you can just buy.

0:48:12.800 --> 0:48:15.360
<v Speaker 3>But it has it has cultural cachet. I mean like

0:48:15.520 --> 0:48:20.040
<v Speaker 3>it does whenever people whenever RFK comes out with something crazy,

0:48:20.080 --> 0:48:22.440
<v Speaker 3>they go, but look at him, that's looks pretty fit

0:48:22.520 --> 0:48:26.719
<v Speaker 3>at seventy whatever, and so like that's that's why I

0:48:26.800 --> 0:48:29.680
<v Speaker 3>think they get into it. I think you're right, Yeah,

0:48:29.840 --> 0:48:32.279
<v Speaker 3>it's it's a new it's I think it's just a

0:48:32.360 --> 0:48:36.440
<v Speaker 3>little bit new and yeah, and and that's why it's

0:48:36.480 --> 0:48:38.359
<v Speaker 3>it's a straight I mean, you know, Jeff Bezis, that's

0:48:38.480 --> 0:48:42.560
<v Speaker 3>that's a straight that's a straight guy for sure. Yeah,

0:48:42.960 --> 0:48:43.719
<v Speaker 3>that's a straight man.

0:48:43.880 --> 0:48:48.480
<v Speaker 2>Same with Mark, Yeah, yeah, Mark, Mark. I wonder if

0:48:48.520 --> 0:48:56.680
<v Speaker 2>it's also almost a reaction to people privileging intellect too much.

0:48:56.800 --> 0:49:00.520
<v Speaker 2>It's almost like lifting work on your is like the

0:49:00.600 --> 0:49:04.720
<v Speaker 2>people's reading. Like for so long we we gave attention

0:49:04.800 --> 0:49:06.960
<v Speaker 2>to people that were smart and to people who had

0:49:07.040 --> 0:49:11.120
<v Speaker 2>like done who had like done intellectual work. Well then

0:49:11.120 --> 0:49:13.920
<v Speaker 2>it was money, then it was money, and now but

0:49:14.000 --> 0:49:15.560
<v Speaker 2>there was something. I guess what I'm trying to say

0:49:15.560 --> 0:49:18.440
<v Speaker 2>is that there's something like populist about lifting because like

0:49:18.560 --> 0:49:20.640
<v Speaker 2>anyone can do it, whereas not everyone can like go

0:49:20.760 --> 0:49:21.600
<v Speaker 2>to Harvard.

0:49:23.000 --> 0:49:26.440
<v Speaker 1>It is, but at the same time that's a that's

0:49:26.440 --> 0:49:27.000
<v Speaker 1>a myth too.

0:49:27.920 --> 0:49:33.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah of course the money, the trainers and god, the food,

0:49:33.400 --> 0:49:40.640
<v Speaker 2>the okay, sure, yeah, it just is a new sign

0:49:40.719 --> 0:49:43.040
<v Speaker 2>of wealth. Yeah, I guess it's in your sign of wealth,

0:49:43.320 --> 0:49:45.439
<v Speaker 2>but it's in your sign of both. With the when

0:49:45.680 --> 0:49:49.040
<v Speaker 2>the goal is to look like what the stereotype of

0:49:49.160 --> 0:49:52.840
<v Speaker 2>like a non rich manual laborer would have looked like

0:49:53.360 --> 0:49:55.280
<v Speaker 2>like a different era. Like it's just very confusing.

0:49:55.640 --> 0:49:58.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but it can be like passionless, like or just

0:49:58.400 --> 0:50:01.520
<v Speaker 3>like it's like for your point of like, it's it's

0:50:01.600 --> 0:50:04.840
<v Speaker 3>kind of skipping the usefulness of the camaraderie. It's just

0:50:04.920 --> 0:50:07.040
<v Speaker 3>like you go into a factory and they'll eventually be

0:50:07.080 --> 0:50:09.200
<v Speaker 3>able to, you know, just pump you with fake stuff.

0:50:09.239 --> 0:50:12.720
<v Speaker 3>And people getting Brazilian butt lifts but biceps totally totally

0:50:12.960 --> 0:50:14.279
<v Speaker 3>dudes getting bicep lifts.

0:50:15.360 --> 0:50:18.160
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean too, I do wonder what shortcuts are

0:50:18.200 --> 0:50:19.560
<v Speaker 2>happening that we don't know about.

0:50:19.719 --> 0:50:21.680
<v Speaker 3>Well talk to me. I mean the steroids is one

0:50:21.680 --> 0:50:25.200
<v Speaker 3>where I'm like, I would I would never unless the

0:50:25.320 --> 0:50:27.640
<v Speaker 3>only time I could see And again this is this

0:50:27.840 --> 0:50:31.360
<v Speaker 3>is a I feel like seeing the movie Bros. Is

0:50:31.440 --> 0:50:33.200
<v Speaker 3>why I kind of was like, was like, oh, yeah,

0:50:33.400 --> 0:50:36.160
<v Speaker 3>that's how that's how all these guys are looking like this.

0:50:36.360 --> 0:50:38.600
<v Speaker 2>Of course I respected that that was part of that

0:50:38.760 --> 0:50:39.479
<v Speaker 2>was part of that movie.

0:50:39.840 --> 0:50:41.799
<v Speaker 1>I respected it. I did feel like in the movie

0:50:41.880 --> 0:50:44.239
<v Speaker 1>I was confused because it was introduced and sort of like, well,

0:50:44.280 --> 0:50:45.719
<v Speaker 1>how do you think I got this body? And then

0:50:45.760 --> 0:50:46.680
<v Speaker 1>it was like never talked about it.

0:50:46.760 --> 0:50:49.200
<v Speaker 3>Yes, I just like that line what are you training

0:50:49.280 --> 0:50:52.880
<v Speaker 3>for the war? And there's something about that Yeah, it is.

0:50:53.960 --> 0:50:56.440
<v Speaker 2>It is this weird, sort of dark part of it

0:50:56.520 --> 0:50:58.480
<v Speaker 2>all that everyone agrees not to talk about.

0:50:59.040 --> 0:51:02.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but even even like Arnold Schwarzenegger, like he on

0:51:02.080 --> 0:51:04.879
<v Speaker 3>the documentary was saying like, yeah, we did steroids. Yeah,

0:51:05.080 --> 0:51:07.279
<v Speaker 3>So it's just it is something people need to be

0:51:07.400 --> 0:51:10.200
<v Speaker 3>more honest about. That guy. There was some guy. He

0:51:10.320 --> 0:51:13.360
<v Speaker 3>eats like raw meat. He's a he's another personality but

0:51:13.480 --> 0:51:15.640
<v Speaker 3>part of sort of manosphere Jason, and it was it

0:51:15.719 --> 0:51:17.480
<v Speaker 3>was exposed that he was using a lot of steroids

0:51:17.480 --> 0:51:18.960
<v Speaker 3>and he kind of got I haven't seen him in

0:51:19.000 --> 0:51:20.560
<v Speaker 3>a while. I think he really was hurt from him.

0:51:20.560 --> 0:51:23.120
<v Speaker 3>But he was wealthy as fuck. But I would I

0:51:23.200 --> 0:51:23.919
<v Speaker 3>don't think I would.

0:51:24.040 --> 0:51:24.640
<v Speaker 2>I would do it.

0:51:25.239 --> 0:51:26.000
<v Speaker 3>I don't think I would.

0:51:26.360 --> 0:51:29.400
<v Speaker 1>No, I whatever happened to average folks?

0:51:30.400 --> 0:51:31.560
<v Speaker 2>When someone looks normal.

0:51:31.400 --> 0:51:34.279
<v Speaker 3>Whatever it happened to average? That's the book.

0:51:34.360 --> 0:51:37.960
<v Speaker 2>Sam fetishizes average Average.

0:51:38.000 --> 0:51:40.560
<v Speaker 3>But do you do you accept average into your life

0:51:40.640 --> 0:51:41.040
<v Speaker 3>as well?

0:51:41.280 --> 0:51:41.920
<v Speaker 2>I think I do.

0:51:42.280 --> 0:51:45.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean I work out enough, but I don't like

0:51:45.520 --> 0:51:48.239
<v Speaker 1>hone in and like really get specific with it.

0:51:48.560 --> 0:51:51.759
<v Speaker 3>There's there. I do think you can you get to

0:51:51.760 --> 0:51:53.440
<v Speaker 3>an age where you're like when you see people who

0:51:53.480 --> 0:51:57.000
<v Speaker 3>are you know, extremely fit or extremely this unless they

0:51:57.040 --> 0:52:00.399
<v Speaker 3>were genetically blessed. That usually means they're a nightmare human being.

0:52:00.440 --> 0:52:03.120
<v Speaker 3>It's any any like good thing about me. It's like

0:52:03.200 --> 0:52:05.960
<v Speaker 3>it is an indicator that I I my whole every day.

0:52:06.680 --> 0:52:09.120
<v Speaker 3>Every day, I'm fucking obsessed with this thing.

0:52:10.120 --> 0:52:14.480
<v Speaker 1>I have something that it's it's just pivot slightly and

0:52:14.520 --> 0:52:15.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure if it's a good pivot or not,

0:52:15.880 --> 0:52:20.279
<v Speaker 1>but I want to try it. The gender at the

0:52:20.880 --> 0:52:23.680
<v Speaker 1>in the weight room, I feel like there is a

0:52:23.840 --> 0:52:26.960
<v Speaker 1>war happening of like like part of the manisphere of

0:52:26.960 --> 0:52:30.240
<v Speaker 1>stuff in a weight room is like being mad at women,

0:52:30.800 --> 0:52:33.920
<v Speaker 1>like being either like dressing too suggestively or like I

0:52:34.000 --> 0:52:36.240
<v Speaker 1>feel like I see like there's like all these videos

0:52:36.239 --> 0:52:39.000
<v Speaker 1>of like proper etiquette or like this girl was mad

0:52:39.040 --> 0:52:40.759
<v Speaker 1>at this guy for looking at her while lifting weights,

0:52:40.760 --> 0:52:42.480
<v Speaker 1>but actually that guy is mad at that girl. And

0:52:42.560 --> 0:52:44.960
<v Speaker 1>it's like there's like this thing happening where there's like

0:52:45.040 --> 0:52:46.799
<v Speaker 1>this culture clash in a weight room.

0:52:46.800 --> 0:52:49.680
<v Speaker 3>There's just a regressiveness in the country right now, and

0:52:49.760 --> 0:52:52.719
<v Speaker 3>you feel it as like we're reintroducing conversations of like

0:52:53.480 --> 0:52:56.840
<v Speaker 3>like does a woman's body count matter? And you're like, god, damn,

0:52:56.960 --> 0:52:59.719
<v Speaker 3>I guess I guess. I guess things don't just arc

0:52:59.840 --> 0:53:03.279
<v Speaker 3>to ord's being more. It goes back. Things go backwards,

0:53:03.760 --> 0:53:04.319
<v Speaker 3>way back.

0:53:04.719 --> 0:53:07.120
<v Speaker 2>This has been one of my biggest My biggest This

0:53:07.160 --> 0:53:09.680
<v Speaker 2>has been one of one of my biggest realizations that

0:53:09.719 --> 0:53:11.440
<v Speaker 2>I've had over the last few years. Is like, this

0:53:11.600 --> 0:53:14.239
<v Speaker 2>is both bad and comforting. Is just like realizing how

0:53:14.320 --> 0:53:17.720
<v Speaker 2>things come in waves, like just realizing like the conversations

0:53:17.960 --> 0:53:21.560
<v Speaker 2>about quote unquote wokeism and DEI are the same exact

0:53:21.560 --> 0:53:24.839
<v Speaker 2>conversations that were happening about political correctness and affirmative action

0:53:24.920 --> 0:53:29.880
<v Speaker 2>in the nineties, just with different terms. And obviously it

0:53:29.920 --> 0:53:31.719
<v Speaker 2>doesn't make it any better because people are still being

0:53:31.800 --> 0:53:35.720
<v Speaker 2>hurt by the consequences of you know, legislation, et cetera.

0:53:36.000 --> 0:53:41.640
<v Speaker 2>But it almost having the context almost gives you some

0:53:41.800 --> 0:53:43.879
<v Speaker 2>sort of peace of mind that it will eventually swing

0:53:44.000 --> 0:53:45.400
<v Speaker 2>back in the other direction or something.

0:53:45.680 --> 0:53:49.520
<v Speaker 3>Sure, you hope, you hope, unless unless you know, technology

0:53:49.600 --> 0:53:52.080
<v Speaker 3>is able to solidify move but probably not. I think

0:53:52.360 --> 0:53:55.920
<v Speaker 3>things do shift, but it's it's alarming. I think it

0:53:56.000 --> 0:54:01.719
<v Speaker 3>says shocking to witness. Sometimes people pretend and I don't know,

0:54:02.239 --> 0:54:02.640
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

0:54:03.120 --> 0:54:04.560
<v Speaker 1>It's not good, you know what both me out on

0:54:04.560 --> 0:54:07.280
<v Speaker 1>the most about it is that because it comes in waves,

0:54:07.480 --> 0:54:10.120
<v Speaker 1>that means like twenty fourteen is like the peak, Like

0:54:10.640 --> 0:54:14.480
<v Speaker 1>twenty fourteen is literally like nineteen seventy five, like everything

0:54:14.600 --> 0:54:18.080
<v Speaker 1>was crazy, nothing made sense, and like that's like what

0:54:18.239 --> 0:54:21.600
<v Speaker 1>we the dream will be that we returned to twenty fourteen.

0:54:22.320 --> 0:54:25.120
<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, but I wasn't content there, No, I

0:54:25.200 --> 0:54:25.880
<v Speaker 1>wanted more.

0:54:25.760 --> 0:54:28.360
<v Speaker 3>Sure, But don't you think like, like there also is

0:54:28.400 --> 0:54:31.720
<v Speaker 3>a weird fraction though, where I feel like the media

0:54:31.880 --> 0:54:36.080
<v Speaker 3>of Hollywood entertainment it's still pretty gay and progressive, even

0:54:36.080 --> 0:54:38.320
<v Speaker 3>if the country's going backwards. And that's why I don't like,

0:54:38.440 --> 0:54:42.000
<v Speaker 3>how is this happening that that like how is Lil

0:54:42.120 --> 0:54:45.160
<v Speaker 3>nas X like still so popular? But then parts of

0:54:45.200 --> 0:54:48.600
<v Speaker 3>the country are like fully pivoting back to you know,

0:54:48.880 --> 0:54:50.920
<v Speaker 3>let's let's revisit a conversion therapy.

0:54:50.920 --> 0:54:53.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't think is as popular now as when it

0:54:53.719 --> 0:54:56.000
<v Speaker 2>first came out. Well this, I really do. I really

0:54:56.080 --> 0:54:58.560
<v Speaker 2>do think that's true lilas X when Old Town Road

0:54:58.640 --> 0:55:01.759
<v Speaker 2>came out, Like I don't know if that effect could

0:55:01.800 --> 0:55:05.000
<v Speaker 2>happen now. There's something that's like, yeah, the way that

0:55:05.040 --> 0:55:06.200
<v Speaker 2>people were able to be like.

0:55:06.239 --> 0:55:06.919
<v Speaker 1>Oh, how fun.

0:55:06.960 --> 0:55:08.719
<v Speaker 2>I understand that they were also detractors at the time,

0:55:08.719 --> 0:55:11.319
<v Speaker 2>but like generally speaking, people were embraced it. I don't

0:55:11.320 --> 0:55:12.359
<v Speaker 2>know if that would happen right now.

0:55:12.440 --> 0:55:16.200
<v Speaker 3>It was interesting, who who's the who's the guy? Yeah, Coachella,

0:55:16.239 --> 0:55:18.400
<v Speaker 3>he's saying Queen, He's singing Boheman Rhapsody.

0:55:18.680 --> 0:55:19.560
<v Speaker 1>Is this Benson Boone?

0:55:19.840 --> 0:55:23.080
<v Speaker 3>Benson Boone? Yeah, And it's just like you look at

0:55:23.120 --> 0:55:26.600
<v Speaker 3>it and you go especially when he's singing Queen, where

0:55:26.600 --> 0:55:32.959
<v Speaker 3>you're like, Freddy Mercury was was was as was gay

0:55:34.560 --> 0:55:36.680
<v Speaker 3>And it's kind of like every time they play that song,

0:55:36.760 --> 0:55:39.040
<v Speaker 3>every time a straight guy sings Boheman rhaps City at

0:55:39.040 --> 0:55:41.080
<v Speaker 3>a karaoke bar, I want them to put up that

0:55:41.160 --> 0:55:44.000
<v Speaker 3>picture of Freddie Mercury lying down with like nine guys

0:55:44.040 --> 0:55:45.960
<v Speaker 3>that look just like him with the exact same mustache,

0:55:46.160 --> 0:55:48.480
<v Speaker 3>Like that should have to play. You read the lyrics

0:55:48.600 --> 0:55:51.799
<v Speaker 3>over that picture, just to confront, just to confront, Oh

0:55:51.960 --> 0:55:53.880
<v Speaker 3>this this, I'm connected to this.

0:55:54.440 --> 0:55:56.719
<v Speaker 2>There is something so incredible about Benson Boone because it

0:55:56.840 --> 0:56:01.520
<v Speaker 2>is just like complete contextless reference. Like it's just like

0:56:01.800 --> 0:56:03.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't know jumpsuit, I don't know mustache.

0:56:04.560 --> 0:56:07.040
<v Speaker 1>It's also my least, my least favorite thing. We're just like,

0:56:07.120 --> 0:56:08.840
<v Speaker 1>look how good I can sing, and it's like.

0:56:09.000 --> 0:56:14.440
<v Speaker 3>I really can sing so good it's incredible. But but

0:56:14.560 --> 0:56:18.239
<v Speaker 3>I just it's more just like I wish I wish

0:56:18.280 --> 0:56:20.520
<v Speaker 3>you could. It's I wish people could see or had

0:56:20.520 --> 0:56:23.320
<v Speaker 3>to be confronted with the fact that like this is

0:56:23.600 --> 0:56:27.120
<v Speaker 3>or this came from gay culture because somebody straight people

0:56:27.239 --> 0:56:31.359
<v Speaker 3>enjoy this stuff in a way. That's that's that's I mean,

0:56:31.520 --> 0:56:33.759
<v Speaker 3>maybe behaven rhaps that you should have added one lyric

0:56:33.800 --> 0:56:36.200
<v Speaker 3>about sucking cock just to make people like have to

0:56:36.280 --> 0:56:38.200
<v Speaker 3>go like, oh yeah, well, I mean, not to.

0:56:38.239 --> 0:56:40.919
<v Speaker 1>Be the most obvious point about this, but the full

0:56:41.120 --> 0:56:43.640
<v Speaker 1>y mc A song being Trump's and of course it's

0:56:43.800 --> 0:56:47.640
<v Speaker 1>it's like the craziest thing and he like it's about

0:56:48.120 --> 0:56:50.520
<v Speaker 1>like jerking off guys. That's the fucking why it like

0:56:50.680 --> 0:56:51.320
<v Speaker 1>is crazy.

0:56:51.360 --> 0:56:52.040
<v Speaker 3>I don't know how.

0:56:52.320 --> 0:56:53.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how.

0:56:53.880 --> 0:56:56.799
<v Speaker 3>I don't know how, But that's why that's the thing

0:56:56.840 --> 0:56:58.520
<v Speaker 3>where like for your point of like, it can never

0:56:58.600 --> 0:57:00.480
<v Speaker 3>go that far one way because I'm at the end

0:57:00.520 --> 0:57:04.239
<v Speaker 3>of the day, this is this is baked in, whether

0:57:04.280 --> 0:57:07.359
<v Speaker 3>you talk about it or not, it's baked in. Yeah,

0:57:07.520 --> 0:57:09.480
<v Speaker 3>it's just whether people are allowed to be public with

0:57:09.960 --> 0:57:13.320
<v Speaker 3>what they are or not, but they're always there.

0:57:14.239 --> 0:57:16.360
<v Speaker 2>No, I see what you're saying. It's more like the

0:57:17.160 --> 0:57:22.560
<v Speaker 2>public narratives are coming waves, but the reality stays the same. Yeah,

0:57:22.600 --> 0:57:24.920
<v Speaker 2>Like the things that are more socially accepted versus not

0:57:25.040 --> 0:57:27.840
<v Speaker 2>socially accepted come in waves, and the overton window is

0:57:27.920 --> 0:57:31.160
<v Speaker 2>like getting bigger and smaller, and like the things you

0:57:31.200 --> 0:57:33.760
<v Speaker 2>are allowed to quote unquote sound TV change, it's the

0:57:33.760 --> 0:57:35.480
<v Speaker 2>same way where they go, like more people are by

0:57:35.640 --> 0:57:38.640
<v Speaker 2>and they go, oh, it's it's so too theater camp.

0:57:38.800 --> 0:57:43.600
<v Speaker 3>Go to theater camp. I'm telling you, go to theater camp.

0:57:43.720 --> 0:57:45.560
<v Speaker 1>You know, you literally can have like a business like

0:57:46.280 --> 0:57:48.320
<v Speaker 1>getting straight guys in touch with their feminine say.

0:57:48.680 --> 0:57:50.840
<v Speaker 3>But I think that we have to do is it's gradual,

0:57:50.880 --> 0:57:53.160
<v Speaker 3>like you advertise it like man camp, and at the end,

0:57:53.920 --> 0:57:56.080
<v Speaker 3>by the end, suddenly they realize they're like they're in

0:57:56.200 --> 0:57:59.080
<v Speaker 3>catsuit singing and they're like, oh my god, I like this.

0:58:01.320 --> 0:58:02.600
<v Speaker 2>Not to put you on the spot, but don't you

0:58:02.680 --> 0:58:06.160
<v Speaker 2>think that, like you are a man. That is an

0:58:06.320 --> 0:58:10.480
<v Speaker 2>alternative to toxic male comedians.

0:58:10.800 --> 0:58:12.920
<v Speaker 3>To a degree, But I don't. I don't want to

0:58:12.960 --> 0:58:15.560
<v Speaker 3>like be on any kind of high and I should

0:58:15.840 --> 0:58:18.120
<v Speaker 3>about that. But I'm in an awkward position. No, no, no,

0:58:18.880 --> 0:58:21.160
<v Speaker 3>I certainly think like I have a fan base that

0:58:21.320 --> 0:58:24.040
<v Speaker 3>is like, you know, it's it's it's gay, and it's

0:58:24.120 --> 0:58:26.200
<v Speaker 3>trans and it's not binary and it's and it's guys

0:58:26.280 --> 0:58:27.480
<v Speaker 3>like me who just.

0:58:27.520 --> 0:58:30.800
<v Speaker 2>Like are sure, but it's also women who are like, oh,

0:58:30.880 --> 0:58:33.160
<v Speaker 2>look a good man, like for sure.

0:58:33.360 --> 0:58:37.360
<v Speaker 3>I think it's certainly in the sense of like, uh,

0:58:38.480 --> 0:58:42.120
<v Speaker 3>whether it be sexual orientation or gender expression. I'm I'm

0:58:42.360 --> 0:58:45.120
<v Speaker 3>a friendly voice in a in a comedic world that

0:58:45.280 --> 0:58:49.760
<v Speaker 3>is like uses that as an easy punching bag joke,

0:58:50.000 --> 0:58:51.600
<v Speaker 3>but it can also be tough because as you talk

0:58:51.640 --> 0:58:55.560
<v Speaker 3>about comedy, like I have jokes that are like I

0:58:55.640 --> 0:58:58.160
<v Speaker 3>have a joke about how you know women be shopping

0:58:58.320 --> 0:58:59.800
<v Speaker 3>was like an old thing, but sometimes I'm out with

0:58:59.840 --> 0:59:01.840
<v Speaker 3>my girlfriend shopping and I'm like, they really do be,

0:59:01.960 --> 0:59:03.840
<v Speaker 3>and it's like it's sometimes it's like how do you

0:59:04.640 --> 0:59:06.520
<v Speaker 3>the needle I try to thread is like how do

0:59:06.640 --> 0:59:09.640
<v Speaker 3>I express that? Sometimes I do recognize this as some

0:59:09.840 --> 0:59:14.080
<v Speaker 3>kind of stereotype being true versus not and and also

0:59:14.240 --> 0:59:16.880
<v Speaker 3>like I like mean comedy and I'm sure that will

0:59:16.960 --> 0:59:21.200
<v Speaker 3>get me in trouble to someday, but like, sometimes you know,

0:59:21.280 --> 0:59:23.560
<v Speaker 3>I'll be talking to it'll be like a crowd work

0:59:23.600 --> 0:59:25.360
<v Speaker 3>and it's a nineteen year old and they tell me

0:59:25.400 --> 0:59:27.400
<v Speaker 3>they just came out as non binary, and it's like,

0:59:27.640 --> 0:59:30.520
<v Speaker 3>how can I joke with them in a way that

0:59:30.880 --> 0:59:34.800
<v Speaker 3>is not babying. I don't want to be like everyone,

0:59:34.920 --> 0:59:37.600
<v Speaker 3>let's all cheer down and forget the comedy and feel good.

0:59:37.880 --> 0:59:40.440
<v Speaker 3>And it's navigating that. And I'm sure the reason I

0:59:40.560 --> 0:59:41.920
<v Speaker 3>never want to get a high horse is because I

0:59:42.120 --> 0:59:46.480
<v Speaker 3>know eventually I'll do something where someone will go, oh,

0:59:46.600 --> 0:59:47.880
<v Speaker 3>that was mean or that joke.

0:59:48.160 --> 0:59:48.320
<v Speaker 2>You know.

0:59:48.600 --> 0:59:50.800
<v Speaker 3>I was at a college and it was like doing

0:59:50.920 --> 0:59:53.680
<v Speaker 3>crowd work with someone and they were talking about the

0:59:53.800 --> 0:59:55.960
<v Speaker 3>roommates were hooking up, and at first I thought the

0:59:56.040 --> 0:59:57.600
<v Speaker 3>roommates were gay and they didn't want to be in

0:59:57.640 --> 0:59:58.920
<v Speaker 3>the room with them, and they said the roommate was

0:59:58.960 --> 1:00:01.200
<v Speaker 3>non binary. I think the joke, you know, speed of

1:00:01.240 --> 1:00:02.960
<v Speaker 3>the moment. It's like instead of sixty nine, ing, do

1:00:03.080 --> 1:00:06.080
<v Speaker 3>they zero? And it's like I can see a world

1:00:06.200 --> 1:00:10.280
<v Speaker 3>where someone goes, fuck you, non binary people can sixty nine,

1:00:10.320 --> 1:00:12.880
<v Speaker 3>and I'll be like, yes, of course they can. It's

1:00:13.320 --> 1:00:16.880
<v Speaker 3>it's just it's a playoff the word non and uh.

1:00:17.520 --> 1:00:20.160
<v Speaker 3>But I also think like that's I think that is

1:00:20.240 --> 1:00:24.800
<v Speaker 3>important in terms of like, I think a lot of

1:00:25.040 --> 1:00:30.040
<v Speaker 3>a lot of leftist momentum, progressive momentum got stymied by

1:00:30.520 --> 1:00:32.640
<v Speaker 3>by a lack of sense of humor. And it's hard

1:00:33.120 --> 1:00:38.440
<v Speaker 3>because if you let people make jokes, a lot of

1:00:38.520 --> 1:00:41.760
<v Speaker 3>guys in a toxic siety and women to go back

1:00:41.800 --> 1:00:46.360
<v Speaker 3>to the most baseline homophobic jokes. But if you police

1:00:46.600 --> 1:00:49.160
<v Speaker 3>people in an annoying way, they just write you off

1:00:49.200 --> 1:00:51.840
<v Speaker 3>and they get annoyed. And so I do think there

1:00:51.880 --> 1:00:55.360
<v Speaker 3>has to be a way forward with mean humor, which

1:00:55.480 --> 1:00:59.680
<v Speaker 3>people do long for and like you have. In order

1:00:59.720 --> 1:01:02.200
<v Speaker 3>for aggressive things to go for, you have to show

1:01:02.240 --> 1:01:04.280
<v Speaker 3>people you can play ball, you can be a fucking ass,

1:01:04.280 --> 1:01:06.840
<v Speaker 3>So you can make a dark joke. But it's tough

1:01:06.880 --> 1:01:09.960
<v Speaker 3>with the balance, you know, it's but I think that's

1:01:10.080 --> 1:01:14.040
<v Speaker 3>an interesting comedic space to navigate, and I want to

1:01:14.400 --> 1:01:17.960
<v Speaker 3>be you know, people use the term funny is funny

1:01:18.080 --> 1:01:21.120
<v Speaker 3>to like justify shitty behavior, But I do believe that

1:01:21.280 --> 1:01:24.000
<v Speaker 3>if you keep funny as your guiding light and you

1:01:24.160 --> 1:01:30.720
<v Speaker 3>are of an open heart, you will ultimately make good

1:01:30.840 --> 1:01:35.280
<v Speaker 3>work that isn't hateful, but it does it can be mean. Yeah,

1:01:35.320 --> 1:01:37.480
<v Speaker 3>and some people won't like it, and the Internet will

1:01:37.480 --> 1:01:39.680
<v Speaker 3>allow it to be collectivised in a way that feels.

1:01:39.920 --> 1:01:42.280
<v Speaker 3>But you can't become obsessed because for all the points

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<v Speaker 3>we said earlier, it's a small contingency.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the thing. And I think that's like the biggest

1:01:46.400 --> 1:01:50.960
<v Speaker 2>thing I'm realizing. There was a brief period where canceling

1:01:51.120 --> 1:01:54.000
<v Speaker 2>became mainstream, and that was basically a year and a half,

1:01:54.280 --> 1:01:55.680
<v Speaker 2>and then since then and we were all on the

1:01:55.720 --> 1:01:59.680
<v Speaker 2>internet cover times, and but since then, people have maintained

1:02:00.200 --> 1:02:01.760
<v Speaker 2>the fear of cancelation.

1:02:01.960 --> 1:02:03.680
<v Speaker 3>I say that all the time that right now, SOI

1:02:03.720 --> 1:02:06.880
<v Speaker 3>comedians that literally still exists in that space and they're like,

1:02:06.920 --> 1:02:08.000
<v Speaker 3>can you cut this on the podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, it's really more chill.

1:02:09.680 --> 1:02:12.000
<v Speaker 3>We're not doing that anymore. Yeah, no, we're not.

1:02:12.240 --> 1:02:13.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I do, well, of course you do. Wonder if

1:02:13.840 --> 1:02:16.920
<v Speaker 2>that also comes in waves in like suddenly in seven years, it'll.

1:02:16.760 --> 1:02:18.840
<v Speaker 3>Be like sure. But I think like the mistake people

1:02:18.920 --> 1:02:21.320
<v Speaker 3>made with that is like because we were all in COVID,

1:02:21.480 --> 1:02:25.480
<v Speaker 3>and COVID is a unique thing. Whenever someone got canceled

1:02:25.520 --> 1:02:28.560
<v Speaker 3>on the Internet or whatever, we thought like they're dead.

1:02:29.240 --> 1:02:31.400
<v Speaker 3>Like I say, like we had cancel culture. Back in

1:02:31.400 --> 1:02:33.400
<v Speaker 3>ancient Rome, it's just when you got canceled, they killed you.

1:02:33.960 --> 1:02:35.360
<v Speaker 3>And I think it's because they knew if they didn't

1:02:35.400 --> 1:02:37.080
<v Speaker 3>kill you, they'd have to hear you whine about cancel

1:02:37.120 --> 1:02:39.440
<v Speaker 3>culture for the next fifew years. But like with COVID,

1:02:39.480 --> 1:02:41.720
<v Speaker 3>we thought people left the Internet, they stopped existing. And

1:02:41.840 --> 1:02:44.120
<v Speaker 3>then this is part of the Trump era, this is

1:02:44.160 --> 1:02:47.280
<v Speaker 3>part of everything. We're like, oh, Kevin Space, he's still

1:02:47.320 --> 1:02:50.800
<v Speaker 3>gonna go make movies. Yeah, and you have to contend

1:02:50.880 --> 1:02:52.960
<v Speaker 3>with that. I'm not saying you have to go forgive

1:02:53.000 --> 1:02:55.280
<v Speaker 3>Kevin Space because of that, but it's like, yeah, he's

1:02:55.280 --> 1:02:57.440
<v Speaker 3>gonna make movies, and maybe if he's not making them,

1:02:57.440 --> 1:03:00.320
<v Speaker 3>America's gonna make them in Israel. It's just like people

1:03:00.400 --> 1:03:04.120
<v Speaker 3>still exist. People still exist in the world, and you

1:03:04.280 --> 1:03:07.600
<v Speaker 3>have to confront that in terms of how you deal

1:03:07.680 --> 1:03:08.320
<v Speaker 3>with punishments.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the mean humor thing, I think is a

1:03:11.480 --> 1:03:14.480
<v Speaker 1>good point and sort of in conversation because I do

1:03:14.560 --> 1:03:16.880
<v Speaker 1>feel like in the twenty tens it was very popular

1:03:17.320 --> 1:03:21.040
<v Speaker 1>to be like like a nice comedian, Like it was

1:03:21.280 --> 1:03:24.160
<v Speaker 1>cool to be like nice and like get sort of

1:03:24.240 --> 1:03:29.440
<v Speaker 1>a clappter thing everywhere, and so then cancel culture. Then

1:03:29.520 --> 1:03:31.360
<v Speaker 1>we're sort of in this weird space where it's like, Okay,

1:03:31.440 --> 1:03:33.400
<v Speaker 1>we want to be mean, we know that, but we

1:03:33.480 --> 1:03:34.800
<v Speaker 1>don't want to be an asshole either.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think, listen, I think the bottom line is

1:03:37.480 --> 1:03:40.000
<v Speaker 3>speaking from talk about a straight thing where it's like,

1:03:40.120 --> 1:03:45.120
<v Speaker 3>I think some guys felt like, I'm not safe here.

1:03:45.680 --> 1:03:48.080
<v Speaker 3>There's not a safety to be mean. People get so

1:03:48.360 --> 1:03:50.760
<v Speaker 3>mad at me so quickly, they take me in the

1:03:50.880 --> 1:03:54.520
<v Speaker 3>worst possible faith. And you're watching a queer comedians get

1:03:54.520 --> 1:03:57.800
<v Speaker 3>away with murders sometimes and you're like, okay, and that

1:03:58.240 --> 1:04:00.840
<v Speaker 3>that Bill. You can't let that resent. The problem is

1:04:00.880 --> 1:04:03.840
<v Speaker 3>for some guys it let the resentment fucking destroy them.

1:04:03.920 --> 1:04:05.880
<v Speaker 3>Or there are some people stop liking their comedy and

1:04:06.000 --> 1:04:08.960
<v Speaker 3>they shifted so far totally, and there was a lot

1:04:09.040 --> 1:04:13.440
<v Speaker 3>of bad liberalish comedy totally, but right now there is

1:04:13.560 --> 1:04:17.320
<v Speaker 3>some awful right wing comedy mixed in with someone who

1:04:17.400 --> 1:04:19.640
<v Speaker 3>like but something like a lot of this kill Tony.

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<v Speaker 3>You're like, this is not funny.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so that gives me hope, honestly, because you are

1:04:24.880 --> 1:04:30.280
<v Speaker 2>absolutely correct that during the Hannahgatsby era, like the the presidency,

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<v Speaker 2>the quote yeah, like the quote unquote like more left

1:04:33.920 --> 1:04:38.000
<v Speaker 2>leaning queer comedy often was terrible and it made you,

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<v Speaker 2>I you know, it made us as fellow queer comedians,

1:04:41.960 --> 1:04:44.040
<v Speaker 2>feel like, oh god, like, is this what people think

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<v Speaker 2>I do? I honestly remember, like even just like booking

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<v Speaker 2>people for this podcast and have and being like it's

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<v Speaker 2>a podcast where we talk about straight culture, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh god, they probably think this thing, like since they

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<v Speaker 2>think this is like some sincere thing where we're like

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<v Speaker 2>talking about like how oppressed we are or something, and

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<v Speaker 2>oh god, like I don't want people think that's sure,

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<v Speaker 2>and it is. There's something that actually feels almost nice

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<v Speaker 2>about that switching. And you're seeing as you're saying, the

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<v Speaker 2>right wing people do horrible pandering material to essentially clapter

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<v Speaker 2>about shople that are like anti DEI, and let's hope

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<v Speaker 2>that that means that the people on the left are

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<v Speaker 2>like going to become more creative and like make that sure.

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<v Speaker 3>And also like, first of all, I liked I thought

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<v Speaker 3>what was Hanna against? What is it called nttette Net

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<v Speaker 3>was like a good piece of theater, and it was

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<v Speaker 3>ultimately it was a build as it was built as

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<v Speaker 3>a stand up comedy special for advertising purposes. Yes, and

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<v Speaker 3>then everyone acted like this is going to invade our spaces?

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<v Speaker 3>Is that the comedy seller changed in some way? But

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<v Speaker 3>I also saw, like you know, if you watch Andrew

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<v Speaker 3>Schultz's new special, it ends with a video montage of

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<v Speaker 3>his wife getting pregnant having a baby, and people like

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<v Speaker 3>crying and moved, and I go like, don't you see

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<v Speaker 3>people just sometimes want to cry, and like you're crying

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<v Speaker 3>at the end of the Neette, You're crying at the

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<v Speaker 3>end of this. Don't you understand you have more in common.

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<v Speaker 3>Comedians get to a place where sometimes they want to

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<v Speaker 3>do more than make you laugh, and that doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 3>that laughter is coming to an end. But I see

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<v Speaker 3>people going like, wow, I cried at the end of this,

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<v Speaker 3>and I go, that's what everyone was so mad about

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<v Speaker 3>with Hannah gat for so long.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like how Chappelle, Like the stereotype of Chappelle's later

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<v Speaker 2>work is like he's saying something and then he gets

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<v Speaker 2>really serious, and he's like they crucified him for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's like it's like you know what I mean, Like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he is the king of suddenly becoming more serious. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>my god, it's it's it's anyway, yeah, wow, Well Jean

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<v Speaker 2>Marco any final thoughts on weightlifting.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I think I think my trainer, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>He's he hasn't been, he hasn't gone back recently, so interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>But he's gay. Huh huge, And it definitely is like

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<v Speaker 3>that is one of those that is one of those

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<v Speaker 3>things where I go, I want to have my trainer

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<v Speaker 3>be a gay man, And I don't know if I

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<v Speaker 3>don't care if it's bad. I mean, that's that's the truth.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, and I don't know why. I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>if I can fully articulate, like what it what it is,

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<v Speaker 3>but I feel like.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know who I work out for. If it's

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<v Speaker 3>for myself, if it's for my business, if it's all

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<v Speaker 3>over the thing. It's just liking to feel a certain way,

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<v Speaker 3>if it's to make up for not feeling athletic as

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<v Speaker 3>a kid. But I'm like the way that I want

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<v Speaker 3>to talk about when I when I was worried about

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<v Speaker 3>if I was in shape or not, I asked a

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<v Speaker 3>friend of mine from college, a gay guy, and I

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<v Speaker 3>said to him, I like, I'm I have prants around

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<v Speaker 3>in my underwear. In general, I'm just an underwear guy,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a newdist if I'm alone. And I said to him, like,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm in good shape, right, And he didn't say anything.

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<v Speaker 3>And I went to my room and I cried, and

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<v Speaker 3>then we like he talked and he was like, and

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<v Speaker 3>this is like a friend. This is a friend who

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<v Speaker 3>can be a hard friend, but he's an honest friend.

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<v Speaker 3>It's notimes you need an honest friends. And he was

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<v Speaker 3>saying I was not in shape. But what I was

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<v Speaker 3>saying that I thought I was. He was like, he

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<v Speaker 3>was like, you're in fine shape. But if you think

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<v Speaker 3>that you're like in excellent shape, you're that's not That's

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<v Speaker 3>essentially now listen. I understand some people would.

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<v Speaker 1>Hear that and go, we're really giving him a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of grace.

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<v Speaker 3>I listen, listen, No, but you're you have to understand

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<v Speaker 3>the energy that I brought to it. It's like if

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<v Speaker 3>I came to you. If it's like if someone comes

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<v Speaker 3>to you and goes, I'm I'm an amazing singer, right sure,

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<v Speaker 3>and they're not an amazing singer. Are you the friend

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<v Speaker 3>that lets them go in American Idol and make a

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<v Speaker 3>fool of themselves or are you the friend who says

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<v Speaker 3>you maybe if you if you want to be an

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<v Speaker 3>amazing singer, you might want to take some voice lessons.

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<v Speaker 2>But I would say you're like in better shape than

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<v Speaker 2>like ninety five percent of the peo.

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<v Speaker 1>This is.

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<v Speaker 3>This was a long time ago. This is because oh

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<v Speaker 3>that's why, well this is not recently. Okay, i'd say

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<v Speaker 3>fuck you, excellent shape. But there's just like, in terms

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<v Speaker 3>of talking about my own body, there's something where I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>I want to talk to a gay man because I

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<v Speaker 3>want to talk to another man, and I trust a

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<v Speaker 3>gay man's ability like talk about what looks good over

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<v Speaker 3>a straight man, and.

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<v Speaker 2>I know they're not about you because they're not trying

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<v Speaker 2>to fuck.

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<v Speaker 3>They possess the lack of empathy only a man could

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<v Speaker 3>put on a.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I've been feeling this way with clothing shopping recently,

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<v Speaker 1>where I've been trying on a lot of suits and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you've been having like thank you you like

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<v Speaker 1>like sometimes I feel very sexualized where they're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>try this, you try this, and I'm like, actually, it

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<v Speaker 1>actually makes you feel so much better to know that

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<v Speaker 1>you're sexualizing me. Like I'm like, you're actually paying attention. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you have fake in this game, like you want me

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<v Speaker 1>to be you want to turn yourself on?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Me.

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<v Speaker 3>So my little sister she works at Selene in Los Angeles,

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<v Speaker 3>and she like helps pick out fits sometimes, and I

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<v Speaker 3>do some nice think like there is a thing where

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<v Speaker 3>I say to her, like, I need to look sexy

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<v Speaker 3>and you are you able, as my sister to do that?

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<v Speaker 3>Are you able to look and like go, that's sexy,

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<v Speaker 3>or are you ultimately like gonna make me look good

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<v Speaker 3>but in an asexual way? Are you going like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>make sure you get some chest hair in there, because

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<v Speaker 3>that's turning the.

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<v Speaker 2>Ladies I had experienced recently, I went to this new

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<v Speaker 2>men's restore in Brooklyn. I wish I could shut outcause

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<v Speaker 2>it's a great story, but I'm about to say a

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<v Speaker 2>negative story about them, so I won't. I the owner

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<v Speaker 2>of the store was there really like hot, attractive fashion guy,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, perfectly quaff beer whatever. I was trying to

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<v Speaker 2>buy a nice shirt for something, and he was being

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<v Speaker 2>very much like, oh that, I mean, the collar perfectly

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<v Speaker 2>frames your face, blah blah. And then I find out

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<v Speaker 2>after the fact that he is in fact straight, not gay,

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<v Speaker 2>and just like because he works in fashion and like

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<v Speaker 2>speaks like that, and says like, you know the color

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<v Speaker 2>of yeah, and the way that I then put the

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<v Speaker 2>shirt back on, looked at myself in the mirror and

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, I look bad, like the sheen of

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<v Speaker 2>his praise was gone. And I'm I have it actually here,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm returning it today. I literally have the bag next

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<v Speaker 2>to me.

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<v Speaker 1>This is one of the scariest stories.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm telling you it doesn't look good on me.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I now can objectively see it. It fits me weirdly.

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<v Speaker 3>It is I love in fashion. They have to be like,

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<v Speaker 3>no one can know that I'm straight. No one can

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<v Speaker 3>know that I'm straight?

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<v Speaker 2>Wow?

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<v Speaker 3>Secret?

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<v Speaker 1>That is crazy. And for you to go through the

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<v Speaker 1>trouble of returning something, I mean, can you have the

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<v Speaker 1>weirdness of it and still continuously expensive?

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<v Speaker 2>Wow? I guess what I can only get for our credit?

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<v Speaker 1>Woh wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I can't wait to see what you come up with. Same?

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<v Speaker 2>Should we do our final segment?

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<v Speaker 1>Our final segment is called shout Outs, and in this

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<v Speaker 1>segment we pay omash is the grand straight tradition of

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<v Speaker 1>the radio shout out shouting out to anything, people, places, things,

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<v Speaker 1>ideas that we are enjoying. We make them up on

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<v Speaker 1>the spot. We are unprepared. Her usual George, do you

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<v Speaker 1>happen to have one?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Hit us with it? Okay, what's up, cinophiles. I

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<v Speaker 2>want to give a shout out to the movie Drop,

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<v Speaker 2>which I just watched two days ago. Now, as everyone knows,

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<v Speaker 2>this movie is about a woman on a first date

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<v Speaker 2>and she starts getting drops on her phone. You know

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<v Speaker 2>about this dram marker. I don't, Okay, So she's on

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<v Speaker 2>a first date. It's Megan pay from White Load to

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<v Speaker 2>Season two. She's on a first date. She gets to

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<v Speaker 2>drop on her phone, like an air drop, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>like hey, and it turns out it's a guy that

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<v Speaker 2>is sending her messages and they're like, you have to

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<v Speaker 2>kill your date, otherwise your son will die. And she

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<v Speaker 2>figures out that there's someone she can see on the

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<v Speaker 2>cam Mara's on her phone, that there's someone at her

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<v Speaker 2>place where her son is being babysad, and so then

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<v Speaker 2>she has to do all these things that this man

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<v Speaker 2>keeps telling her otherwise her son will die. And I

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<v Speaker 2>guess I just want to give a generalized shout out

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<v Speaker 2>to movies with a very simple premise that managed to

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<v Speaker 2>stick the landing because it is actually very rare. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>anyone can come up with the premise than what People

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<v Speaker 2>don't realize that it has to have a second and

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<v Speaker 2>a third act and then it has to have a

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<v Speaker 2>satisfying conclusion. And I would say this film pulled that

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<v Speaker 2>off much like the movie Red Eye famous Wes Craven.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to say, Red Eye don't remember anyway? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so you know what? Keep them common folks.

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<v Speaker 1>Who okay, what's up? Freaks, lusism perverts around the globe.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to give out to the broken screen. On

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<v Speaker 1>my flight over here, I had a broken screen and

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<v Speaker 1>could not watch movies or TV even and it gave

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<v Speaker 1>me a sense of superiority that I actually missed. I

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<v Speaker 1>have been feeling sort of man of the people vibes,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe even anti intellectual, and not this flight. This flight,

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<v Speaker 1>I read my damn book the whole four hours and

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<v Speaker 1>thirty minutes.

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<v Speaker 3>Damn.

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<v Speaker 1>You better believe I'm much further than I ever thought

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<v Speaker 1>I would be read the book for our episode on Thursday.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I'm gonna be fucking prepped. And I felt like

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<v Speaker 1>I could feel people looking at me saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Is he reading this whole time? Oh my god, he's

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<v Speaker 2>still reading And.

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<v Speaker 1>He's not even napping, not even for a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>I was a hero on the plane. Everyone was gagged

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<v Speaker 1>at my intellectualism. And sometimes it's forced upon you, but.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to take the call. Oh my god, First

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<v Speaker 2>of all, you are so ahead of me in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of buzzy books. It's crazy. You've lapped me twice.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm lapping you. I'm lapping your ass.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>Role reversal over here.

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<v Speaker 2>Literally, and now your body's tight, John Marco, whenever you're.

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<v Speaker 3>Ready, h what's up? It's the next sexy boys and

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<v Speaker 3>girls around the universe. I stayed at a Hilton hotel

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<v Speaker 3>in Wilmington, North Carolina. The hotels in this country are

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<v Speaker 3>are falling apart of the seams. It is a fucking disaster.

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<v Speaker 3>And no one should live a life on the road

1:14:56.120 --> 1:14:58.400
<v Speaker 3>because you really experienced just the worst of life. But

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<v Speaker 3>you see where America is going. My room, Saturday morning,

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<v Speaker 3>six am, one of the alarms in the hotel clock

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<v Speaker 3>went off, and then it went off a second time

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<v Speaker 3>after that. My ac thing was broken, so it was

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<v Speaker 3>fifty nine degrees in my room the entire time. And

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<v Speaker 3>I complained, of course, and they gave me two things. One,

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<v Speaker 3>they gave me fifty dollars off at the restaurant in

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<v Speaker 3>the hotel. Again, am I happy about the hotel being shitty, No,

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<v Speaker 3>but they gave. They gave. I complained and they said

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<v Speaker 3>we will make this. Write I fifty nine degrees. There

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<v Speaker 3>was no rooms. Then they found one room for me

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<v Speaker 3>to switch that night. Society is collapsing. I understand the

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<v Speaker 3>people who are hired in the middle part, they're not

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<v Speaker 3>to blame, but unfortunately, this is the job that they've taken.

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<v Speaker 3>And if you're there and it's your home for the night,

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<v Speaker 3>they they're the ones that need to lead the revolution.

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<v Speaker 3>Give enough of those fifty dollars cards that the hotel

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<v Speaker 3>goes we're going bankrupt, and maybe it closes and maybe

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<v Speaker 3>that's a good thing and you sacrifice your job, or

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<v Speaker 3>maybe they go, this is a disaster, and you go,

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<v Speaker 3>why what am I going to do? Tell the guy

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<v Speaker 3>to fuck off? And unfortunately you've taken on the burden

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<v Speaker 3>of we can't just let it happen. We can't just

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<v Speaker 3>let it slide. I can't, I can't, I can't just

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<v Speaker 3>not sleep. And I shout out to it to all

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<v Speaker 3>those people who are are have been put in shitty

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<v Speaker 3>positions those people in the lost baggage claim area at

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<v Speaker 3>the airports that it's not your fault that the bag

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<v Speaker 3>is lost. But you're the one who's saying, like, here's

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<v Speaker 3>the four hundred dollars coupon for the flight. You gotta

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<v Speaker 3>tear You got to tear up these companies from the

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<v Speaker 3>inside and make them fix or die, because there's no

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<v Speaker 3>way this is sustainable. There's no way it's sustainable.

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<v Speaker 1>Wowow.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to say, I want to give a

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<v Speaker 2>shout out to the phrase the people that are hired

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<v Speaker 2>in the middle part, because it's so like, that's a

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<v Speaker 2>that's literally the that's a Jordan Peel movie, the middle

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<v Speaker 2>part in the middle part. Yeah, no, it's so true.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I have to say, if I complain about

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<v Speaker 2>something which is very rare, and I get even like

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<v Speaker 2>one dollar, I'm immediately like, I'm writing you into my will. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like thak, yes, yeah, this was really amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and you just gotta Oh. If I worked up

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<v Speaker 3>the play they fireman, I give twenty five bucks each

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<v Speaker 3>time they came in. I was saying, hey, this is

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<v Speaker 3>a piece of shit right off the gate, here's twenty

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<v Speaker 3>five dolls.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually toid more when something is bad because I

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<v Speaker 2>feel bad.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, but it was nice. It was like he

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<v Speaker 3>came and it was fifty he walked in the room,

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<v Speaker 3>and I like that he did this. He went, oh

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<v Speaker 3>my god, like acknowledge, it is very cold.

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<v Speaker 1>That's nice.

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<v Speaker 3>Fifty nine degrees is very cold. I'm not being a

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<v Speaker 3>baby here. And the blankets are this thin. We all

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<v Speaker 3>know what we're doing here, covered in com don't yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't lie.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't lie that it's not that bad or the worst.

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<v Speaker 3>Like this one baggage. The bag was ripped open, it

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<v Speaker 3>was soaking wet. They ruined everything. And she said, she said,

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<v Speaker 3>it happens more often than you'd think, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>that's not for me. That doesn't make me feel better,

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<v Speaker 3>that's don't don't even offer that. Yeah, then you should

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<v Speaker 3>have a better answer, But it happens more often. You

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<v Speaker 3>have a better answer than whatever the fuck?

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<v Speaker 2>This is actually the opposite of what you want to

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<v Speaker 2>hear because you want to be the protagonist of that story.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, yes, how could this possibly happen to me?

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<v Speaker 1>Wow? Well, this has been a delight.

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<v Speaker 2>Incredible. I'm Jean Marco where can people find you, where

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<v Speaker 2>people see you, and how can people you know, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>even physically find you and visit physically.

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<v Speaker 3>I announce my location pretty much every night if you

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<v Speaker 3>want to find me to do whatever at Jo Marcus

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<v Speaker 3>Arasi all social media platforms. My podcast is called the

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<v Speaker 3>Downside with Tree Marcus Arasi and I'm just on tour

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<v Speaker 3>all the time. I post a lot of videos online

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<v Speaker 3>and I'll have a special coming out later this year,

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<v Speaker 3>probably on YouTube, so just stay tuned.

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