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Speaker 1: Stradio Lab. We just had a beautiful lunch from Le.

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Speaker 2: So here's my question for you. Uh Prette amage and

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Speaker 2: which one is Danielle him? Which one is st? Him?

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Speaker 1: And which one is You are starting out guns blazing,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm full up on bread and mozzarella, and you're

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Speaker 1: saying which French fast casual restaurant is which Heim sister?

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Speaker 2: I'm well, Brett is, Danielle is st? I think it's Alana? Really?

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Speaker 2: What's the third one of bump Pan? Wait?

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Speaker 1: Fuck?

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Speaker 2: No, no, Prett Prett.

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Speaker 1: I think Alta is prep because like she's more of

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Speaker 2: Oh you think so? Yeah? And then is st Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and pret is Wait no, Danielle pre bum Pan is

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Speaker 1: What it's prett?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 2: And is one of them? Yeah? Okay, go ahead, go ahead,

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Speaker 2: this is really good radio.

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Speaker 1: We are us fighting over which Yeah, Danielle okay, s Prett, Danielle, Alana, Alana?

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Speaker 2: Okay? That was that? Sorry I did that.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's okay. I think it's okay that you do that.

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Speaker 1: It's just that you were sort of wrong and aggressive

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Speaker 1: throughout you know, we said have the parameters, and then

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Speaker 1: I was trying to work with the parameters in you

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Speaker 2: It actually broke my brain so much. I kept I

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Speaker 2: kept thinking of them. Penna is not one of them,

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Speaker 2: and yet it was. It was the whole time. Isn't

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Speaker 2: there a different one? I mean, I'm sure.

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Speaker 1: There's a different one. Yeah, but that's the one we

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Speaker 1: were working That's.

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Speaker 2: The one we were working with. Yeah, okay, okay, Jo

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Speaker 2: Juice U Jomba Juice, Joe and the Juice, Joe and

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Speaker 2: the Juice, And what's the other one. I love this,

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Speaker 2: by the way, this is the best podcasting I've ever

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Speaker 2: done my life. No, we can't, we can't. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to own up to this. Okay, which time,

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Speaker 2: sister is It is my game that I came up with,

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Speaker 2: and I'm officially calling it a flop. I think it

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Speaker 2: officially is not a good game. I will own up

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Speaker 2: to it in the same way that I owned up

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Speaker 2: to when I tried to get Fabulosa fury Road trending.

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Speaker 2: Well that was fun, Okay, So obviously it's when someone

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Speaker 2: looks fab you say you look Fabulosa Fury Road. I

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Speaker 2: it has not. I've not gotten a trending. I've not

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Speaker 2: gotten anyone else to say it except me, and I

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Speaker 2: have to just own up to the fact that that

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Speaker 2: is the same with the hind Game. And maybe it

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Speaker 2: can just be my private inside joke with myself or

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Speaker 2: with my friend Sam, but we have to we have

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Speaker 2: to accept when something isn't working.

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Speaker 1: I think Fabulosa Fury Road isn't It's not your fault.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't work, Okay.

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Speaker 1: I think it's the fault of the filmmakers. Yeah, Furiosa

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Speaker 1: because it wasn't a big enough hit. I think it

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Speaker 1: doesn't have the cultural weight it needs to happen.

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Speaker 2: If Furiosa was a bigger hit Fabulosa fuor Road, every

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Speaker 2: announcer on E News when they're interviewing people on the

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Speaker 2: carpet would say, Okay, she looks fabulous to Fury Road,

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Speaker 2: let's look into the Fabulosa cam and let's get that

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Speaker 2: shot of you mama. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But unfortunately it did not reach those hypes. Okay, I see,

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Speaker 1: And so that's not your fault.

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Speaker 2: Okay, time is my fault.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I'm we need to unpack what it's not working

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Speaker 1: about him. For me, I think what's not working about

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Speaker 1: that's just like too simple. Yeah, Like Heim is like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's like which one's the weird one, which one's the

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Speaker 1: the film one, and which one's the brains?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, and.

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Speaker 1: So it's just sort of like too one to one,

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Speaker 1: there's not much wonder.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, it's true. And also none of them

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Speaker 2: are really like an insult. Like if you're doing fuck

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Speaker 2: If I'm saying I'm killing Obumpan, that means I you know,

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Speaker 2: But if I'm saying album pen is st him, They're like, okay, okay, weird, quirky.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think it's tough. I Also, this is

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Speaker 1: something I've been wondering and I wonder this almost every day,

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Speaker 1: which is is our worldview. We think it's so big

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Speaker 2: This is such a larger question. I mean, I do

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Speaker 2: people care about an eight twenty four movie. Sure, so,

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Speaker 2: like just like people we know, we know? Yeah, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 2: But I also think do you think moms know about him? No?

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Speaker 2: I think moms know about Chapel.

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Speaker 1: Moms know about Chapel. I think music dads know about how.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, music dads know about her.

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Speaker 1: Music dads know how.

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Speaker 2: And they love Billie Eilish.

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Speaker 1: They love to love Billy Iilay music dad's love to

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Speaker 1: twenty four, I'm like, yeah, who's Neon?

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Speaker 2: Is Charlie xx Neon? Yes? Because I know her movie

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Speaker 2: is a twenty four. Well, it's not literal George of course,

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Speaker 2: of course, it's like how Chapel. Yes, well, and she's

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Speaker 2: a but you were gonna ask something, yeah, but then

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Speaker 1: But she's the onn incense that she also like swept

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Speaker 1: the Oscars this year. Yeah, and you're expect every.

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Speaker 2: Year you're like twenty four, but it's always should we

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Speaker 2: bring our guests?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I feel like this intro is like one of our

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Speaker 1: more flop what Yeah, I'm gonna say it. And and

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Speaker 1: for that I apologize to our guests.

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Speaker 2: I just want to say I'm having the time of

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Speaker 2: my life and I'm embracing my flop era as Jamila

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Speaker 2: Jamila one said, welcome, John Marcosires.

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Speaker 1: Hello.

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Speaker 3: I know I just felt stupid. I felt culturally, uh

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Speaker 3: a destitute. I know I couldn't tell you I'm sister's song.

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Speaker 3: I've seen picture of them to our dating now.

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Speaker 2: The sisters sisters, who's the boy genius are dating?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 3: You see, I don't, it's all a blur.

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Speaker 2: I'm actually so happy you're here. Actually I am happier here.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Actually, I'm so happier here because we were just talking

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Speaker 2: about how you're a touring comedian that is all around

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Speaker 2: this great country road. So you're the perfect person to

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Speaker 2: tell us how many people know how in your experience,

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Speaker 2: and I actually would love for you, Sorry to cut

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Speaker 2: you off, No, I would love for you for I

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Speaker 2: would say the next calendar year of your tour to

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Speaker 2: mention how I'm at every show of yours and start

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Speaker 2: collecting some data.

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Speaker 3: I think, in general, comedically, references don't work on the

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Speaker 3: as a country period. So you will sooner see comedians

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Speaker 3: reference Rainforest Cafe, yes before La Pen. You know, I

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Speaker 3: can't do that in Wilmington, North Carolina. They've never heard

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Speaker 3: of that. And like truly comedically, unless you build up

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Speaker 3: like a niche audience, you cannot have those. Even even

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Speaker 3: Sebastian Man of Scalco, Like, so that's the number one

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Speaker 3: most paid touring comedian in the country right now or

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Speaker 3: last year, you cannot use that as a reference. Seinfeld

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Speaker 3: you can. And so that's just that's so interesting, it is,

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Speaker 3: I mean, it just it limits the ability to reference

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Speaker 3: else would allow you.

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Speaker 1: To in your experience. What year to culture stop?

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Speaker 3: God Like, right where I started getting into the arts,

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Speaker 3: I have the culture.

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Speaker 2: I feel the exact same way. We sort of are

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Speaker 2: like in the sinking ship of the Titanic and we're

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Speaker 1: We're trying to reference time. We're trying to pretend that

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Speaker 1: we can talk about. But what you're saying is so

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Speaker 1: true and it's scary.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know my big idea, well, this is

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Speaker 2: like my big my big joke is we need a

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Speaker 2: nationwide it needs to be a top down government mandated.

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Speaker 2: This is the new thing everyone's talking about, Like, isn't.

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Speaker 3: That what Obama's playlist was trying to be? Essentially? You

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Speaker 3: know what, though, it's not that I loved when he

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Speaker 3: didn't have he didn't have Beyonce's album and then he

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Speaker 3: like issued a correction like, oops, I forgot.

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Speaker 2: Okay, here's a question for you. The concept of Obama's

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Speaker 2: playlists is that something people would recognize around the country. Oh,

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Speaker 3: I mean it depends where you're in the country. Some

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Speaker 2: They would know it exists.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't think so. I don't think so.

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Speaker 2: First for me, Obama Obama's play is just such a

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Speaker 2: it's like if you're an artist or if you're like

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Speaker 3: They would still the reference you would still use even

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Speaker 3: if it doesn't exist anymore. Is over the book club?

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Speaker 1: Trying to road friendly references is like one of the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so funny.

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Speaker 3: It's it's the same with with politics. It's like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's gotta be someone we've known since the night.

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Speaker 1: So if you're like doing a joke that has like

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Speaker 1: Timothy Chalamer's reference, does that work or do you have

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Speaker 2: Would?

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Speaker 3: It would probably work, but certain parts. First of all,

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Speaker 3: You know, I'd love I I thought it would be

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Speaker 2: Jamarco. I can confirm that that's what's happening because I

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Speaker 2: have tried to make Amelia Perez happen for so long.

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Speaker 2: My favorite thing. I don't know if you've seen the film,

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Speaker 2: Amelia goes Bingo and she like whispers it really she's

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Speaker 2: I think it's so funny. And no one knows about

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Speaker 2: it because guess what, no one has seen to me

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Speaker 2: the press. And also no one even knows that Carlos

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Speaker 3: That's true too. Whenever someone gets in trouble son Is,

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Speaker 2: into musical theater, guess what we do that His biggest

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Speaker 3: It? He like loves musical theater. He loves cats, He

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Speaker 2: No, I do think that was talk about normalization. It's

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Speaker 3: Happening they want to There's just something where I go, like,

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Speaker 2: We need to go back. Yeah. Well, you know people

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Speaker 3: But it's also the obsession with like thinking that art

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Speaker 3: It's like it's like sometimes people come to shows and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, brother, the a I said is such a bummer

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Speaker 3: It'll like they'll make it so you can you can

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Speaker 3: that so much of artists, that we're all collectively looking

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Speaker 1: You have to hope. I hope it takes on social

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Speaker 3: Or all film and TV and we go back to theater,

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Speaker 3: and we all go back to theater.

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Speaker 2: I went to a play recently and shout out the

436
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Speaker 2: deep blue sound at the public and the final line

437
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Speaker 2: made me start crying, and then I couldn't stop crying.

438
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Speaker 2: And I was like, I think this is my pent up.

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Speaker 2: This is literally what being on Instagram all day. All

440
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Speaker 2: my emotions are suppressed because all I'm doing is being

441
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Speaker 2: kind of angry at some random gay guy all day

442
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Speaker 2: every day. And then it's like one sentence that has

443
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Speaker 2: emotional resonance, which if I was just like a normal

444
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,359
Speaker 2: person going to the theater all the time, it would

445
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Speaker 2: be like okay, well, moving on, like time for the area.

446
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Speaker 2: And I hear one sentence has emotional residence and I'm

447
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Speaker 2: like literally breaking down.

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Speaker 1: What was the sentence? I've gotta know I'm not gonna

449
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Speaker 1: ruin the fight. Oh, I guess that's true.

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Speaker 3: It was what I saw play with with my girlfriend recently,

451
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Speaker 3: and it was like there was a couple fighting and

452
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Speaker 3: the guy said to the woman like, I've.

453
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Speaker 2: Understood you, but you ever understand me?

454
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Speaker 3: And I was like wow. My girlfriend looked at me

455
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Speaker 3: like excuse me, and I didn't I wasn't doing it

456
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Speaker 3: on purpose, but I felt I was like, mm.

457
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Speaker 2: I mean, you just get a directness whatever. Live performances

458
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Speaker 2: is all we have, is basically sure.

459
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Speaker 3: But I did see a I saw a Broadway show

460
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Speaker 3: that I paid way too much for and I felt scammed,

461
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Speaker 3: and I feel I felt a new found no fuck

462
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Speaker 3: the theater actually.

463
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Speaker 2: But it was my fact that's Broadway though, like Broadway,

464
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Speaker 2: there's something the Broadway is literally Trumpian, like Broadway is

465
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Speaker 2: like for the literal zero point one percent, the people

466
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Speaker 2: making it are so completely out of touch.

467
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Speaker 3: I felt for it. I felt for him. But I

468
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Speaker 3: saw I paid a lot to see Augie McDonald and Gypsy,

469
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Speaker 3: and I I that was incredible. I really at the

470
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Speaker 3: when she's loosened and at the end, I mean she

471
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Speaker 3: was just bearing it all. And I it was a close.

472
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Speaker 3: I came to really sobbing in the theater, just like, wow.

473
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Speaker 2: You know those I just saw Burns at Peters in

474
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Speaker 2: the Sondheim review.

475
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Speaker 3: Oh how was it?

476
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Speaker 2: And I mean, listen, it's ultimately like cruise ship vibes,

477
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Speaker 2: but the but the but Bernadette is still Bernadette. Yeah,

478
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Speaker 2: it's like yes, it's like basically you know, people like

479
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Speaker 2: bringing out one like Barber's chair and doing a song

480
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Speaker 2: from Sweet Todd and then it leaves it and they

481
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Speaker 2: got like a top hat and do another like it's did.

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Speaker 3: She do not as Day goes by?

483
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Speaker 2: She did not go by? But she also did.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, I can't you're out gigging podcast. I can't contribute

485
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Speaker 1: at all, not at all, not even.

486
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Speaker 2: A little sam isn't.

487
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Speaker 3: William Finn died recently. That broke my heart. I cried

488
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Speaker 3: about that.

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Speaker 2: Never heard that name of This is my first time

490
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Speaker 2: hearing that.

491
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Speaker 3: I actually think we can talk about football after this,

492
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,879
Speaker 3: but talk about musical theater references because I have to

493
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Speaker 3: do those on stage.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So like what Bernadette like doing musical theater, I had.

495
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Speaker 2: I had a bit that.

496
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Speaker 3: Would reference Liza Minelli and like it would generally it

497
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Speaker 3: would yeah, they do, but like younger people go oh

498
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Speaker 3: from Arrested Development and you go no from Fossy and

499
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Speaker 3: then like I changed it to Liam Michelle for one thing,

500
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Speaker 3: and they all know that they know Liam Michelle from Glee.

501
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 3: They from Glee and like, but cats, I have a

502
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Speaker 3: joke that ended up using cats and people knew that

503
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Speaker 3: well enough, little shop they know, but you find out

504
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Speaker 3: pretty quick and a lot of musicals don't. Don't pierce that.

505
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Speaker 2: I mean, Hamilton, what would you say, as someone who's

506
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Speaker 2: not a musical person, what musicals bring to mind? Like

507
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Speaker 2: distinct what musicals do I know?

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Speaker 1: Basically, Yeah, it's like West Side Story, basically ones of

509
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Speaker 1: their famous movies, West Side Story, Chicago. Sound of Music, Yeah, yeah,

510
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Speaker 1: that's pretty much.

511
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Speaker 3: Those are old. Yeah, Sound of Music is so old.

512
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Speaker 2: Damn.

513
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

514
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Speaker 2: I do wonder, you know, looking back fifty years from now,

515
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Speaker 2: what stuff from the twenty tens will have become canonized,

516
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Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like, what will be the

517
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Speaker 2: sound of me? What will be something that someone can

518
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Speaker 2: confidently reference?

519
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Speaker 1: It's hard to tell, like right now, literally, I'm like

520
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Speaker 1: I can only think of like Goga and Katy Perry

521
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Speaker 1: as like, yeah.

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Speaker 2: For example, is the Sunken Place from get Out? Is

523
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Speaker 2: that going to be something that's interest as a concept,

524
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Speaker 2: Like people will still be saying that in the way

525
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Speaker 2: that we say, oh God, like some I don't know,

526
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Speaker 2: reference from a sixties movie like Singing in the Rain

527
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Speaker 2: or something, you know, like.

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Speaker 1: I think, yeah, that one sounds like that's the but

529
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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't think if you ask my mom, what's the

531
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Speaker 3: sunken place from get out?

532
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Speaker 2: Yeah, total, I don't think she knows.

533
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but she's on her way out of here.

534
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Speaker 2: It's the younger ones we're talking about. Okay. Our first

535
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Speaker 2: segment is called straight and in this segment, we test

536
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Speaker 2: your familiarity with and complicity in straight culture by asking

537
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Speaker 2: you a series of rapid fire questions where you have

538
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Speaker 2: to choose one thing or another thing. You have to

539
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Speaker 2: go with your gut, and the one rule is you

540
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Speaker 2: can't ask any follow up questions about how the game works.

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, wait, sorry, I uh oh Jesus, say what

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Speaker 3: you said again?

543
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Speaker 2: That's a followup question.

544
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Speaker 1: It okay, okay, just go okay, Lona del Ray or

545
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Speaker 1: what you say?

546
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Speaker 3: What you say?

547
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Speaker 2: Singing in the rain or putting on the.

548
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Speaker 1: Reds singing in the rain, a Trump impression or a

549
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Speaker 1: Rump inspection Trump.

550
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Speaker 2: Impression, insider trading or outsider.

551
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Speaker 3: Art insider trading, Honey, I'm home.

552
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Speaker 1: Or yummy a bone that's from the perspective of a dog.

553
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Speaker 3: Yummy a bone.

554
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Speaker 2: It's not right, but it's okay. Or getting a full

555
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Speaker 2: bright because you are gay, Getting a full bright because

556
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Speaker 2: you were gay.

557
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Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders at Coachella, or learning Spanish as a fella.

558
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Speaker 3: Bernie Sanders is at Coachella.

559
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Speaker 2: Being proficient in Excel or being carbon efficient take that shell.

560
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Speaker 3: Being proficient in excel.

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Speaker 1: Wow. So we rate our guests currently on a scale

562
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Speaker 1: of one to one thousand blades of grass.

563
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Speaker 2: It's named after Lady Gaga song which is just called one. Okay.

564
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Speaker 2: I would say, okay, I think you gave an amazing performance.

565
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Speaker 2: I think the thinking, your performance of thinking was really

566
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Speaker 2: I would say theatrical. I would argue, as well, you

567
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Speaker 2: took did you take off your glasses during.

568
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Speaker 3: I think so.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's what we would call a reveal. Yes,

570
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Speaker 2: he said, this is a visual the visual medium, so

571
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Speaker 2: my cameras are on. I would definitely add a few

572
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Speaker 2: points for that. Yeah, I definitely think it is above

573
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Speaker 2: eight hundred.

574
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Speaker 1: I'm going to say nine hundred and one.

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Speaker 2: Who maulation, Thank you very question.

576
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Speaker 3: I told my girlfriend, I said, if I don't get

577
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Speaker 3: above nine hundred, I'm gonna walk right out. It used

578
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Speaker 3: to bekin of your teeth. Yeah, I want to see that.

579
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Speaker 3: I want to see Lady Gaga. I don't see a

580
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Speaker 3: lot of concerts. I'm not a concert guy, but but

581
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Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm like, I have the means and the resources.

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Speaker 3: I want to see Lady Gaga no matter what on

583
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Speaker 3: this tour.

584
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Speaker 2: You know you're not going to be disappointed.

585
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Speaker 1: You're not disappointed.

586
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Speaker 3: I need the dancing. I need some dancing.

587
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Speaker 2: Yeah, she's sort of the only one still doing it.

588
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Speaker 3: No, I saw good concert when I was a kid,

589
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Speaker 3: Like that's when I saw I saw Spice Girls, I

590
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 3: saw Janet Jackson, I saw Pretty Spears early, like like

591
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Speaker 3: the school desks, school desks. No, I mean I do

592
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Speaker 3: have sisters, but that I was the one leading the charge.

593
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Speaker 2: Because I'm like, but this is your musical theater.

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Speaker 1: My question is more like socially, like, were you not

595
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Speaker 1: afraid of being made fun of for that?

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Speaker 3: I don't. I don't know, like people's interest. They were

597
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 3: all lame. It was just like a boring private school.

598
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Speaker 3: So there was no real bullying. I saw Spice Girls

599
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Speaker 3: in second grade, and I think there was just too young.

600
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Speaker 3: People weren't like bullying based on straight or gay quite yet.

601
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Speaker 3: But I went on a date in second grade with

602
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Speaker 3: there was a girl I had a crush on, Oh

603
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Speaker 3: my god, and her parents were like horrified. They didn't

604
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Speaker 3: know because it wasn't yet like inappropriate because we were

605
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Speaker 3: second graders. But then they went with my dad who

606
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Speaker 3: was like dating someone which you know, was not part

607
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Speaker 3: of their worldview, and she the rule was she had

608
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Speaker 3: to leave by ten pm or we had to get

609
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Speaker 3: home by ten or something. We left as the Spice

610
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Speaker 3: Girls started the show because they were two hours late,

611
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Speaker 3: of course, and I bowled, I cried and I wept

612
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Speaker 3: because we left the concert as it started because we

613
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Speaker 3: had to get her home in time.

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Speaker 1: I'm shocked that you didn't have any shame, to be honest, like.

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Speaker 3: In second grade, I fully feel like.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, my second grade, I was like, no, I agree.

617
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Speaker 1: I knew what boys liked and what girls liked, and

618
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Speaker 1: I knew I had to be on the boy side.

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Speaker 2: But this is actually think something I mean, I don't

620
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Speaker 2: know you that well, but I feel like this is

621
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Speaker 2: something that is very charming about you. Is like the

622
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Speaker 2: musical theater, Like you do just like have interests in

623
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Speaker 2: performance and in theater and yeah or whatever, but it

624
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Speaker 2: does not like.

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Speaker 3: My dad didn't have super masculine views though, like he

626
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Speaker 3: doesn't like musical theater, but he was of the disco era,

627
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Speaker 3: and I definitely think like that was a real we're

628
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Speaker 3: just all touching it. I mean he was a hippie

629
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Speaker 3: and disco, so there was a lot okay, So I

630
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Speaker 3: I think he just never I was into wrestling, which

631
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Speaker 3: felt very you know, just everyone's wearing nothing and you're

632
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 3: into other sports. No, I was terrible at sports. I

633
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 3: mean we watched football, but I never like was good

634
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Speaker 3: at them or like them. I so I never had

635
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 3: the pressure from my father. And in second grade, some

636
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 3: guys liked sports, some guys like Star Wars, but it

637
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Speaker 3: wasn't it hadn't coalesced yet into being a weird to

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Speaker 3: a Potomac Maryland near Bethesda, okay and not far from

639
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Speaker 3: DC Okay. So I just must have looked out. I

640
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Speaker 3: imagine there's I just lucked out in terms of my grade,

641
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 3: not being particularly like dude.

642
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean sometimes sometimes you look out because I

643
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: would always mask anything I liked in my sister.

644
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Speaker 2: But but the thing is, like you you had something

645
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Speaker 2: to hide.

646
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Speaker 3: My sisters and I with Spice Girls. They sold like

647
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Speaker 3: little booklets at like Barnes and Nobles, and for one

648
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Speaker 3: for each Spice Girl, and like we all got one

649
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Speaker 3: and my favorite was baby, and my sister Victoria liked

650
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Speaker 3: Posh because they were similar to not just their name.

651
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Speaker 3: And then my other sister was sporty. And it was like,

652
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Speaker 3: maybe it's because I had sisters and they didn't give

653
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Speaker 3: me shit for it or you know, they were half

654
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Speaker 3: so I saw them half the time, so they didn't

655
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Speaker 3: have time to establish things. But I just kind of

656
00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 3: fit in with them. I watched that Spice movie. I

657
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 3: had the VHS and there's something I don't know, but

658
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 3: like the girl Power. I would be heicy Mota and

659
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 3: I'd kick and I do that. It was just just

660
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:09,959
Speaker 3: what it was. I don't know.

661
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that movie is the damn hit.

662
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's Alan Comming. Yeah, so early Allen Comming.

663
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: I mean there's alt bits in there that is an alt.

664
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 3: With the tour bus and it jumps over the bridge.

665
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 2: Come on, it's fun.

666
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 3: Does it hold up? Is it fun?

667
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: I watched it maybe three years ago. The bits are

668
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,719
Speaker 1: still funny, but it's longer than you expect.

669
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 3: And you're like, huh, the alien does the alien touch

670
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 3: her boob?

671
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 2: You see?

672
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 3: But that's like, to me, that's a heterosexual moment. That

673
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 3: they gave to me and I said, hey, I like

674
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 3: that part.

675
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: Okay, everybody gets a little early. Yeah, should we do

676
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: the topic?

677
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 3: Let's do it.

678
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: Please tell us what the straight topic is today and

679
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: what is straight about it?

680
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 2: Uh?

681
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 3: Weightlifting? We're talk about weightlifting. It's something I've I've dabbled

682
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 3: in and it definitely feels like a mix. What are

683
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 3: those territories where it's like, it's it straight, but it's

684
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 3: but it's but it's gay. It feels like a real

685
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 3: but it feels like a lot of guys go into weightlifting,

686
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 3: Like this is a straight space, absolutely, but I think

687
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 3: a lot of times straight men are looking for like

688
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 3: a way that they can be physical with each other

689
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 3: that feels safe from being in weightlifting. Is that spotting?

690
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 2: Please? Yeah?

691
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 3: Please?

692
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: Well, I agree, I think it is a very straight space.

693
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: And honestly, spotting is where I'm I'm I'm out. Like

694
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: when someone's like, can you spot me, I'm.

695
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 3: Like no, no, no, no, no, no no no no, no,

696
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 3: oh my god, the bars falling out, no no no

697
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 3: no no.

698
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: When they asked me to stand there, I'm like, you

699
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: don't understand, Like I'm faking, but I don't.

700
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 2: This is the difference between the straight lifting and gay lift. Like,

701
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 2: I do think there's something very individualistic about the way

702
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 2: gay guys do it, which is like, tell me, this

703
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 2: is my time to make myself hotter so that I

704
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 2: can go to Fire Island. Yes, And then for straight guys,

705
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 2: they're all like having such a good time and are

706
00:32:55,920 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 2: there together and are like, you know, sharing tips online, yeah, podcasts.

707
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 3: I went to Fire Island for a day. Jay Jorden

708
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 3: brought me around.

709
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 2: He was like, look the gym.

710
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 3: Upon arrival was the funniest thing I've ever seen in

711
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 3: my life. Just the idea of like some last minute

712
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 3: cramming before you go to the parties, and like it's

713
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 3: not it doesn't smell great, it's and it's like a

714
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 3: rough if you're going on that treadmill, just go back

715
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 3: to Manhattan, Like you're not solving it on that treadmill

716
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 3: for thirty minutes, and it just it was just awful

717
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 3: conditions to work out. I would have to be so

718
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 3: so desperate.

719
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: Well, when you're there for a week, sometimes you gotta

720
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: pop in for a minute.

721
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 3: You've done that, You've popped in.

722
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: Last year, I popped in for the first time because honestly,

723
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:45,719
Speaker 1: it started to feel like, okay, well I'm the only

724
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: one not popping in, so everyone else is like gets

725
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: a little pump in for the day, and meanwhile I'm like,

726
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: I'm on vacation. And then they're all like, where's his pump?

727
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 3: Huh?

728
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 2: So I said, you know what, you can't beat him

729
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 2: joining up?

730
00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,719
Speaker 3: Did you do a do you do a hard workout?

731
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: Just get a light little sweater, a light sweat you sure, sure,

732
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: just make sure it's all engaged.

733
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 2: I okay. So in terms of weightlifting being straight, because

734
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 2: I do think this is such a like rich topic.

735
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 2: At the most basic level, you are trying to make

736
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 2: yourself larger, which is of course like taking up space.

737
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 2: So that's like just thinking very like basic. Okay, you're

738
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 2: trying to make yourself larger, and you're trying to make

739
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 2: yourself look more like a statue of a man, like

740
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 2: you are trying to be more man, and you are

741
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,439
Speaker 2: trying to be large. Okay, So that's one thing. Something

742
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 2: that's complicated about it is like if sports are straight,

743
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 2: there's something about lifting that's almost like skipping the middleman

744
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 2: of doing anything that's useful. Like in the olden days

745
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 2: you would get buff by like doing manual labor and

746
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 2: or playing sports, so you would be doing something that

747
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 2: had some sort of other value, whether you're adding value

748
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 2: to society or you're adding or you have like camaraderie

749
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 2: and the athletics ya, And to do lifting is very shortcut,

750
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 2: and in that sense it's also straight because it is like,

751
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 2: you know, it's like insider trading, Like it's like skipping,

752
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 2: skipping the step of doing more complex work to get

753
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 2: to the direct result that you want. Yeah, but it's

754
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 2: also gay to not play sports and want to get up,

755
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

756
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 1: Well, buff for gay guys is like a reaction. It's

757
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: like it's a it's a way to sort of like

758
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: reclaim being made fun of as a child. Yeah, Whereas

759
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: like for straight guys, there's not like a it's not

760
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: necessarily reaction as much as it's just.

761
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,879
Speaker 2: Like, well, I do want to be bigger. For gay guys,

762
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 2: it is so tied up with like issues around masculinity

763
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 2: and reacting to being called effeminate or being called girlish

764
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 2: and being like, well, I'll show you I'll become even

765
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 2: bigger than the man.

766
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: There's something about a gym feeling like a straight space

767
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 1: where you're like whenever I walk into a gym for

768
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 1: the first time, I'm like, Okay, everyone here is straight,

769
00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: and then if you're good there for like a few months,

770
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, actually only those two guys are yeah, yeah, yeah,

771
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: because everyone's kind of pretending in a really weird way.

772
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 3: I just think, I mean, at least going to like that.

773
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 3: There's one party at Fire Island where I was like, oh,

774
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 3: it feels it was like everyone was the exact same

775
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:18,879
Speaker 3: body type, and I thought, man, I don't I can't

776
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 3: imagine the social dynamics with this, just dealing with that

777
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 3: on top of everything else. It's like when you see

778
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 3: a picture and it's like twenty guys on Fire Island

779
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 3: and they all have a six pack. I'm like, if

780
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 3: one of you goes through depression, do they make you

781
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 3: take the picture? Like where where? Where are you? Like?

782
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 3: Or is there a different party? It was and I

783
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 3: and I was I was in a good place when

784
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 3: I went to this party. I was, I felt, I

785
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 3: felt I belonged. It was very I noticed at this

786
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 3: party there was someone who was like by all means

787
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 3: in good shape, but slightly uh, not as cut as

788
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 3: everyone else At the party and he was like the

789
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 3: kind of silly one there.

790
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 2: And he was like, welcome to our life.

791
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,240
Speaker 3: But there's somebody because I was like, you're in fantastic shape,

792
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 3: it says everyone else is as is here Cody from

793
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 3: the uh A Peloton is here, Like.

794
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's pastcast on this podcast.

795
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 3: Yeah he said hi, And all I said was a

796
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 3: big fan And it just felt like the light left design. Ah,

797
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 3: I should have And I was like, oh, you love

798
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 3: my spin material. Yeah, he I wouldn't have to explain

799
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 3: it to you.

800
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: Also, you're right, they do make you take the picture.

801
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. And what you're describing about being the silly one,

802
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 2: it's I mean, it is the you know, it is

803
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 2: the gig equivalent of like the very sexist trope of

804
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 2: like the there's like a group of girls and there

805
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 2: was like the one ugly one and and but the

806
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 2: thing was like.

807
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 3: This ugly one was like truly, of course, if he

808
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 3: was straight, he'd be the fucking every guy be like, fuck,

809
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 3: he's so with shape?

810
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is what is okay?

811
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 2: Weightlifting?

812
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: I agree with this idea. The weightlifting is straight, but

813
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: it is an interesting difference where it's not having having

814
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: a perfect body isn't straight, Like the goal to have

815
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: a perfect body is not the same in straight culture

816
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: whereas like but.

817
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 3: But it's a different kind of perfect body. It's like

818
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 3: I feel like with straight guys. I mean, I don't

819
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 3: know if like professional weightlifting. I saw like the Arnold

820
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 3: Swarzenegger documentary, and you see like those dudes, and I'm

821
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 3: sure some of them are gay, but like Arnold seems

822
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 3: pretty straight. But there's still is this like he likes

823
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 3: the male body. I'm sure he went to guys and

824
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 3: they go leves flex flex, let me feel, and I'm

825
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 3: sure if they could lick they would too. But like

826
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 3: some there's something I don't know.

827
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 2: It's just it's you.

828
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 3: You you like the male body. Like sometimes I think

829
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 3: you can like like in my male body, but because

830
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 3: you like you, like I want that body. I want

831
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 3: to be that body. And that isn't necessarily sexual in

832
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 3: the same way wanting to have sex with someone, but

833
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 3: it is sexual.

834
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: Well, this is that classic thing where like it goes

835
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: back to even straight guys can jerk off with each

836
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: other and it's just male bonding, but they never invite

837
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: gay guys to jerk off with them.

838
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 3: So I actually First of all, I've never jerked off

839
00:38:58,520 --> 00:38:59,439
Speaker 3: with another guy.

840
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,760
Speaker 2: You are too bays to go in that Spice Girls concert.

841
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 3: Are a lot of straight guys saying this.

842
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 2: That's the high school, middle school thing of like straight

843
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 2: guys all drinking off together. Yeah, okay, so so you

844
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 2: went to a different kind of non apotomac Okay. So

845
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 2: I do think much like the there's something about something

846
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 2: being so gay that it's just straight. And I think

847
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 2: bodybuilding is one of those things. Like bodybuilding, if you

848
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 2: think about it, it's literally men getting oiled up and posing.

849
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 2: That's like something out of a gay guy's imagination. And

850
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 2: yet because it's so far in that direction, it like

851
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 2: transcends sexuality and becomes a completely straight thing or something,

852
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

853
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 3: Isn't kind of like when when when a gay guy

854
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 3: is getting in shape or buff. I mean, it's per

855
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,320
Speaker 3: the fire Island point, like is in part of it like,

856
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 3: oh this is really going to change my sexual life.

857
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 3: There's a lot more people who are going to want

858
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 3: to hook up, and and for some there's more open relationships. Sure,

859
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 3: certainly with like a guy. It doesn't always feel like

860
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 3: the weightlifting is necessarily too attract the opposite gender. I

861
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 3: mean a lot of times they're in a relationship, it

862
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,399
Speaker 3: really is about them. Sex isn't as much a part

863
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 3: of wanting to do it. I've always thought of I

864
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 3: was like a gay guy, especially open relationship, like I'd

865
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 3: be motivated to like work even because it would it

866
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 3: would kind of it would change the whole dynamic. It's

867
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,959
Speaker 3: shape has no effect on my interpersonal life.

868
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 2: It's a more feminine impulse. For It's like putting on

869
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 2: makeup for gamment, yes, whereas for straight men it is. Uh,

870
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 2: it's like health, health oriented.

871
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 3: Health oriented and for the for other other guys, but

872
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 3: in a different way, not for sex, but just like.

873
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 2: It's competition, competition, sexual competition.

874
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 3: In bonding, something to like relate about and and again

875
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 3: to like be able to engage physically. I think there's

876
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:51,240
Speaker 3: just like the desire to engage physically but still feel

877
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 3: like you're you're straight or it doesn't. It feels like

878
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 3: structured so you're allowed to do that. I just I

879
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,439
Speaker 3: don't know. It goes back to sports too. I feel

880
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 3: like I had have friend he played soccer, and I

881
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 3: remember once I hung out with him after college. He

882
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 3: played soccer at Stanford and we were going out one

883
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 3: night to like a club nightmare night for me. We

884
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 3: went to like one of their houses. They all were

885
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 3: on the soccer team together, and this guy took a

886
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 3: shower all in his room and he like came out

887
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 3: and he was naked. And these are all these are

888
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 3: straight guys. I am gay there and this guy is naked,

889
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 3: and you know, these are the guys just went locker

890
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 3: in the locker room for this whole time. And this

891
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 3: guy's naked and he's just standing there kind of like

892
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 3: talking and just we were in his room, but he's

893
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 3: naked for a massively long amount of time. And I

894
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 3: thought in that moment, I was like, I've been to

895
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 3: six musical theater sleep boy camps, I've had I've had

896
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 3: gay friends, I've had gay roommates. What we are doing

897
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 3: right now is the most erotic thing I have ever

898
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 3: been a part of in my entire life. And these

899
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 3: guys would never would never think of themselves think of

900
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 3: it as homosexual at all.

901
00:41:58,760 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 2: Were they addressing it?

902
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 3: No, he was just he was just he was And

903
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 3: he wasn't like standing like I'd be sitting like he

904
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 3: was standing kind of like a statue. I always think

905
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 3: like when guys get so worked up about a gay

906
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 3: a gay person in the locker room, like with with

907
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 3: football or whatever. I think it's because it acknowledges that

908
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 3: what they're doing is kind of erotic showering together, and

909
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 3: so if someone there who wants to fuck to go,

910
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 3: he just wants to fuck us, it's like, well, you're there,

911
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,760
Speaker 3: you're slapping each other's asses. But it's it's the threat.

912
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 3: It's all just a thought experiment that they've established that

913
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 3: this is not gay, and it's like, maybe it's not gay,

914
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 3: but it's erotic. It is erotic almost.

915
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 2: So what you're afraid of is not that the gay

916
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 2: guy in the locker room is going to hit on you.

917
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 2: What you're afraid of is that you're gonna be attracted

918
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 2: to him. Sure, it's like if you're holding a baby,

919
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 2: you're not afraid of dropping it. You're afraid you're gonna

920
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 2: accidentally like throw it. Like it's like you're confronting part

921
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 2: a part of yourself that you have suppressed.

922
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, but so yeah, I think I think that's what

923
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 3: weightlifting is just another form of like and some guys

924
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 3: love it. Good for them, God bless.

925
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: What about grunting? M grunting while lifting.

926
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:12,760
Speaker 3: If you really push yourself straight.

927
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: I've never felt the need to grunt.

928
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 2: I sometimes sometimes it happens by accident, and I feel

929
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 2: so humiliated.

930
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 3: I know, but that's how you know you're working hard. Yes,

931
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:27,240
Speaker 3: I there's overdoing it. There's there's performative grunting.

932
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 2: No, but I do think, like sometimes it comes out?

933
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 2: Does it never come out for you? Not once?

934
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:33,240
Speaker 1: Really I'm silent.

935
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 2: Oh, I have to like focus in order to be silent,

936
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 2: because by default I will be like, like.

937
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 3: I curse I like really, I love to curse. I

938
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 3: When I was doing why did you Zoom? Workouts during COVID,

939
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 3: there was one time that my roommate was like, you

940
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 3: gotta chill it out because I'd be like fuck yeah, fuck,

941
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 3: and he was like you can't. You can't do that.

942
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 3: And I had to learn. I had to learn.

943
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 2: Wow was it hard to learn?

944
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 3: It was hard to learn. I'm I'm a night between

945
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 3: the singing practice and the grunting and the I'm a noisy.

946
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 2: Tough, tough room tough. I mean, I do think occurred

947
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 2: just naturally a performer, the grunting comes out more not

948
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 2: to say that you're not perform. It's interesting. I think

949
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 2: another straight thing about lifting is also the like self

950
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:23,800
Speaker 2: optimization element of it, Like you are, it's very Silicon

951
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,479
Speaker 2: valley like, well, it has been.

952
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: Co opted by this type right now and sort of

953
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 1: this like techie even manospheri ish type, which I don't

954
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 1: know how. This is the other thing of sort of

955
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: talking about time. You know, this is that manosphere tech

956
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 1: guy stuff is sort of some guy's heime and I

957
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: can never tell.

958
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 2: How it is.

959
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 3: I mean, it was enough to win an election, you

960
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 3: know what I mean. But like, but like I as

961
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 3: soon as I see videos for these man camps, like it.

962
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 2: Keeps up where it's like a guy being yelled at.

963
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: I've seen this stuff.

964
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 3: They're being yelled at, but they're also journaling and they're

965
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 3: also I'm like, I'm like, this is I don't judge

966
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 3: it because I go I went to acting camp. These

967
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 3: guys did not get this. They never got to do

968
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 3: the artist's way. And if we can rebrand the Artist's

969
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 3: way for straight guys and just change the cover and

970
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 3: be like the real Roseway. Yeah, the dudes, the dudes

971
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 3: Dude's journey, like they there's something where it's almost like

972
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 3: a horseshoe theory in terms of like sexuality or femininity.

973
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 3: It's like they're going so far here that suddenly they're

974
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 3: in groups together journaling and talking about their feelings. And

975
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 3: You're like, if we can bring it all the way,

976
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 3: you'll understand that that you just have not been given

977
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 3: a space in society to express yourself. And those those camps,

978
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:46,720
Speaker 3: I look at them and I'm like, this is theater

979
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 3: camp for men in their fifties.

980
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. My fear is that they think the reason they

981
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 2: haven't been given space to journal is because of feminism,

982
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:58,399
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Sure, Like because I it's

983
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 2: almost like everyone of all political stripes can agree on

984
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 2: the problem that there's a christ some vaguely defined crisis

985
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 2: of masculinity. Then it's like either you look at that

986
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 2: in the right wing way or where you're like, well,

987
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 2: the reason is because women are you know, taking have

988
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 2: taken them down and don't allow them to flourish, or

989
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 2: you look at it from like the opposite perspective, which

990
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 2: is like patriarchy also affects men.

991
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 3: And we'll look at Jordan Peterson. Jordan Peterson, He's like

992
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 3: he's like crying all the time, and I look at him.

993
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 3: I'm like, how are you part of the manisphere?

994
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 2: You were the most plain, bullyant suits totally.

995
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 3: You're sobbing And I go like, they're the key is

996
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 3: in there somewhere, And unfortunately it's's hard because you know,

997
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 3: those guys will see on Twitter someone go, men are

998
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 3: trash and and they're so emotionally vulnerable they could fuck you.

999
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 3: I'm going to man camp.

1000
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 2: I know it's tough.

1001
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: Well, I mean when you do it like that, I'm

1002
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 1: almost like, well, actually, now, I like I like the

1003
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: man camps, then everyone should go.

1004
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 3: But maybe that's what happens. It's like at the end

1005
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 3: of the man camp, the council goes. Just so you know,

1006
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 3: this was actually gay camp. Yeah.

1007
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 2: I was liberal the whole time.

1008
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 3: Liberal the whole time.

1009
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,879
Speaker 2: That peoples off the mask and it's a mask, get

1010
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 2: them at their most vulnerable and then screen moonstruck.

1011
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 3: Yeah you know what I mean.

1012
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, that says something as simple as that.

1013
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: I actually think the idea that everyone just needs to

1014
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: go to acting camp and like embarrassing to shame and

1015
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: bring them down, Like absolutely that's true.

1016
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's basically what.

1017
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 3: We all need.

1018
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, because we get a little scab on us.

1019
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 2: When we don't do that.

1020
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's something Sometimes I look back in it and

1021
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 3: I go, like I should have learned skills, and then

1022
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 3: I go, but then then I'd be longing for that thing.

1023
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,839
Speaker 3: Now it's like I got it. I needed that when

1024
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 3: I was at that age.

1025
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 2: No, I completely agree. I wish I had gotten to

1026
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 2: acting camp. Do you know what's interesting about lifting is

1027
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 2: via the manisphere of via Silicon Valley whatever. Now it's

1028
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 2: like Mark Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos are rip Yeah, that

1029
00:47:58,160 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 2: is a big shift that has happened in this generation.

1030
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 2: Like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates were not ripped. I

1031
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 2: will say being ripped is starting to be meaningless.

1032
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, in a weird way. It's because you can just

1033
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: do it, like you can just buy.

1034
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 3: But it has it has cultural cachet. I mean like

1035
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 3: it does whenever people whenever RFK comes out with something crazy,

1036
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 3: they go, but look at him, that's looks pretty fit

1037
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 3: at seventy whatever, and so like that's that's why I

1038
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 3: think they get into it. I think you're right, Yeah,

1039
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 3: it's it's a new it's I think it's just a

1040
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 3: little bit new and yeah, and and that's why it's

1041
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 3: it's a straight I mean, you know, Jeff Bezis, that's

1042
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 3: that's a straight that's a straight guy for sure. Yeah,

1043
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 3: that's a straight man.

1044
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 2: Same with Mark, Yeah, yeah, Mark, Mark. I wonder if

1045
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 2: it's also almost a reaction to people privileging intellect too much.

1046
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 2: It's almost like lifting work on your is like the

1047
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:04,720
Speaker 2: people's reading. Like for so long we we gave attention

1048
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 2: to people that were smart and to people who had

1049
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 2: like done who had like done intellectual work. Well then

1050
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 2: it was money, then it was money, and now but

1051
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 2: there was something. I guess what I'm trying to say

1052
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 2: is that there's something like populist about lifting because like

1053
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 2: anyone can do it, whereas not everyone can like go

1054
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 2: to Harvard.

1055
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 1: It is, but at the same time that's a that's

1056
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: a myth too.

1057
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:33,359
Speaker 2: Yeah of course the money, the trainers and god, the food,

1058
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 2: the okay, sure, yeah, it just is a new sign

1059
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 2: of wealth. Yeah, I guess it's in your sign of wealth,

1060
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,439
Speaker 2: but it's in your sign of both. With the when

1061
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 2: the goal is to look like what the stereotype of

1062
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 2: like a non rich manual laborer would have looked like

1063
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,280
Speaker 2: like a different era. Like it's just very confusing.

1064
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it can be like passionless, like or just

1065
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 3: like it's like for your point of like, it's it's

1066
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 3: kind of skipping the usefulness of the camaraderie. It's just

1067
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 3: like you go into a factory and they'll eventually be

1068
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 3: able to, you know, just pump you with fake stuff.

1069
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:12,720
Speaker 3: And people getting Brazilian butt lifts but biceps totally totally

1070
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 3: dudes getting bicep lifts.

1071
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 2: Well, I mean too, I do wonder what shortcuts are

1072
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 2: happening that we don't know about.

1073
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 3: Well talk to me. I mean the steroids is one

1074
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 3: where I'm like, I would I would never unless the

1075
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 3: only time I could see And again this is this

1076
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 3: is a I feel like seeing the movie Bros. Is

1077
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 3: why I kind of was like, was like, oh, yeah,

1078
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 3: that's how that's how all these guys are looking like this.

1079
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 2: Of course I respected that that was part of that

1080
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:39,479
Speaker 2: was part of that movie.

1081
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 1: I respected it. I did feel like in the movie

1082
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: I was confused because it was introduced and sort of like, well,

1083
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 1: how do you think I got this body? And then

1084
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: it was like never talked about it.

1085
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 3: Yes, I just like that line what are you training

1086
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 3: for the war? And there's something about that Yeah, it is.

1087
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 2: It is this weird, sort of dark part of it

1088
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 2: all that everyone agrees not to talk about.

1089
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, but even even like Arnold Schwarzenegger, like he on

1090
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,879
Speaker 3: the documentary was saying like, yeah, we did steroids. Yeah,

1091
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 3: So it's just it is something people need to be

1092
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 3: more honest about. That guy. There was some guy. He

1093
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 3: eats like raw meat. He's a he's another personality but

1094
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 3: part of sort of manosphere Jason, and it was it

1095
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 3: was exposed that he was using a lot of steroids

1096
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 3: and he kind of got I haven't seen him in

1097
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 3: a while. I think he really was hurt from him.

1098
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 3: But he was wealthy as fuck. But I would I

1099
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:23,919
Speaker 3: don't think I would.

1100
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 2: I would do it.

1101
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 3: I don't think I would.

1102
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 1: No, I whatever happened to average folks?

1103
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 2: When someone looks normal.

1104
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 3: Whatever it happened to average? That's the book.

1105
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 2: Sam fetishizes average Average.

1106
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 3: But do you do you accept average into your life

1107
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 3: as well?

1108
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 2: I think I do.

1109
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: I mean I work out enough, but I don't like

1110
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: hone in and like really get specific with it.

1111
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 3: There's there. I do think you can you get to

1112
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 3: an age where you're like when you see people who

1113
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 3: are you know, extremely fit or extremely this unless they

1114
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:00,399
Speaker 3: were genetically blessed. That usually means they're a nightmare human being.

1115
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 3: It's any any like good thing about me. It's like

1116
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 3: it is an indicator that I I my whole every day.

1117
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 3: Every day, I'm fucking obsessed with this thing.

1118
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 1: I have something that it's it's just pivot slightly and

1119
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if it's a good pivot or not,

1120
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 1: but I want to try it. The gender at the

1121
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: in the weight room, I feel like there is a

1122
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 1: war happening of like like part of the manisphere of

1123
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:30,240
Speaker 1: stuff in a weight room is like being mad at women,

1124
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 1: like being either like dressing too suggestively or like I

1125
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,240
Speaker 1: feel like I see like there's like all these videos

1126
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: of like proper etiquette or like this girl was mad

1127
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 1: at this guy for looking at her while lifting weights,

1128
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 1: but actually that guy is mad at that girl. And

1129
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: it's like there's like this thing happening where there's like

1130
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 1: this culture clash in a weight room.

1131
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 3: There's just a regressiveness in the country right now, and

1132
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 3: you feel it as like we're reintroducing conversations of like

1133
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 3: like does a woman's body count matter? And you're like, god, damn,

1134
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 3: I guess I guess. I guess things don't just arc

1135
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 3: to ord's being more. It goes back. Things go backwards,

1136
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 3: way back.

1137
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 2: This has been one of my biggest My biggest This

1138
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 2: has been one of one of my biggest realizations that

1139
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 2: I've had over the last few years. Is like, this

1140
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 2: is both bad and comforting. Is just like realizing how

1141
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,720
Speaker 2: things come in waves, like just realizing like the conversations

1142
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 2: about quote unquote wokeism and DEI are the same exact

1143
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,839
Speaker 2: conversations that were happening about political correctness and affirmative action

1144
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 2: in the nineties, just with different terms. And obviously it

1145
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 2: doesn't make it any better because people are still being

1146
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:35,720
Speaker 2: hurt by the consequences of you know, legislation, et cetera.

1147
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 2: But it almost having the context almost gives you some

1148
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:43,879
Speaker 2: sort of peace of mind that it will eventually swing

1149
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 2: back in the other direction or something.

1150
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 3: Sure, you hope, you hope, unless unless you know, technology

1151
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 3: is able to solidify move but probably not. I think

1152
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 3: things do shift, but it's it's alarming. I think it

1153
00:53:56,000 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 3: says shocking to witness. Sometimes people pretend and I don't know,

1154
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1155
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: It's not good, you know what both me out on

1156
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:07,280
Speaker 1: the most about it is that because it comes in waves,

1157
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: that means like twenty fourteen is like the peak, Like

1158
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen is literally like nineteen seventy five, like everything

1159
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 1: was crazy, nothing made sense, and like that's like what

1160
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 1: we the dream will be that we returned to twenty fourteen.

1161
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: And I'm like, but I wasn't content there, No, I

1162
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 1: wanted more.

1163
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 3: Sure, But don't you think like, like there also is

1164
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,720
Speaker 3: a weird fraction though, where I feel like the media

1165
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 3: of Hollywood entertainment it's still pretty gay and progressive, even

1166
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:38,320
Speaker 3: if the country's going backwards. And that's why I don't like,

1167
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 3: how is this happening that that like how is Lil

1168
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 3: nas X like still so popular? But then parts of

1169
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 3: the country are like fully pivoting back to you know,

1170
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 3: let's let's revisit a conversion therapy.

1171
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 2: I don't think is as popular now as when it

1172
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 2: first came out. Well this, I really do. I really

1173
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 2: do think that's true lilas X when Old Town Road

1174
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 2: came out, Like I don't know if that effect could

1175
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 2: happen now. There's something that's like, yeah, the way that

1176
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 2: people were able to be like.

1177
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:06,919
Speaker 1: Oh, how fun.

1178
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 2: I understand that they were also detractors at the time,

1179
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 2: but like generally speaking, people were embraced it. I don't

1180
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:12,359
Speaker 2: know if that would happen right now.

1181
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 3: It was interesting, who who's the who's the guy? Yeah, Coachella,

1182
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 3: he's saying Queen, He's singing Boheman Rhapsody.

1183
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 1: Is this Benson Boone?

1184
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 3: Benson Boone? Yeah, And it's just like you look at

1185
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 3: it and you go especially when he's singing Queen, where

1186
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:32,959
Speaker 3: you're like, Freddy Mercury was was was as was gay

1187
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 3: And it's kind of like every time they play that song,

1188
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 3: every time a straight guy sings Boheman rhaps City at

1189
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 3: a karaoke bar, I want them to put up that

1190
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 3: picture of Freddie Mercury lying down with like nine guys

1191
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 3: that look just like him with the exact same mustache,

1192
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 3: Like that should have to play. You read the lyrics

1193
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 3: over that picture, just to confront, just to confront, Oh

1194
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 3: this this, I'm connected to this.

1195
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 2: There is something so incredible about Benson Boone because it

1196
00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 2: is just like complete contextless reference. Like it's just like

1197
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 2: I don't know jumpsuit, I don't know mustache.

1198
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: It's also my least, my least favorite thing. We're just like,

1199
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 1: look how good I can sing, and it's like.

1200
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 3: I really can sing so good it's incredible. But but

1201
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 3: I just it's more just like I wish I wish

1202
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 3: you could. It's I wish people could see or had

1203
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:23,320
Speaker 3: to be confronted with the fact that like this is

1204
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 3: or this came from gay culture because somebody straight people

1205
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:31,359
Speaker 3: enjoy this stuff in a way. That's that's that's I mean,

1206
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 3: maybe behaven rhaps that you should have added one lyric

1207
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 3: about sucking cock just to make people like have to

1208
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 3: go like, oh yeah, well, I mean, not to.

1209
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:40,919
Speaker 1: Be the most obvious point about this, but the full

1210
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: y mc A song being Trump's and of course it's

1211
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 1: it's like the craziest thing and he like it's about

1212
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: like jerking off guys. That's the fucking why it like

1213
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 1: is crazy.

1214
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 3: I don't know how.

1215
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 2: I don't know how.

1216
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 3: I don't know how, But that's why that's the thing

1217
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 3: where like for your point of like, it can never

1218
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 3: go that far one way because I'm at the end

1219
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 3: of the day, this is this is baked in, whether

1220
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:07,359
Speaker 3: you talk about it or not, it's baked in. Yeah,

1221
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 3: it's just whether people are allowed to be public with

1222
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,320
Speaker 3: what they are or not, but they're always there.

1223
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 2: No, I see what you're saying. It's more like the

1224
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 2: public narratives are coming waves, but the reality stays the same. Yeah,

1225
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 2: Like the things that are more socially accepted versus not

1226
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 2: socially accepted come in waves, and the overton window is

1227
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 2: like getting bigger and smaller, and like the things you

1228
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 2: are allowed to quote unquote sound TV change, it's the

1229
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 2: same way where they go, like more people are by

1230
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 2: and they go, oh, it's it's so too theater camp.

1231
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 3: Go to theater camp. I'm telling you, go to theater camp.

1232
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: You know, you literally can have like a business like

1233
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: getting straight guys in touch with their feminine say.

1234
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 3: But I think that we have to do is it's gradual,

1235
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 3: like you advertise it like man camp, and at the end,

1236
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 3: by the end, suddenly they realize they're like they're in

1237
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 3: catsuit singing and they're like, oh my god, I like this.

1238
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 2: Not to put you on the spot, but don't you

1239
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 2: think that, like you are a man. That is an

1240
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 2: alternative to toxic male comedians.

1241
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 3: To a degree, But I don't. I don't want to

1242
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 3: like be on any kind of high and I should

1243
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 3: about that. But I'm in an awkward position. No, no, no,

1244
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 3: I certainly think like I have a fan base that

1245
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 3: is like, you know, it's it's it's gay, and it's

1246
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 3: trans and it's not binary and it's and it's guys

1247
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 3: like me who just.

1248
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 2: Like are sure, but it's also women who are like, oh,

1249
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 2: look a good man, like for sure.

1250
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 3: I think it's certainly in the sense of like, uh,

1251
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 3: whether it be sexual orientation or gender expression. I'm I'm

1252
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 3: a friendly voice in a in a comedic world that

1253
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 3: is like uses that as an easy punching bag joke,

1254
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 3: but it can also be tough because as you talk

1255
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 3: about comedy, like I have jokes that are like I

1256
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 3: have a joke about how you know women be shopping

1257
00:58:58,320 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 3: was like an old thing, but sometimes I'm out with

1258
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 3: my girlfriend shopping and I'm like, they really do be,

1259
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 3: and it's like it's sometimes it's like how do you

1260
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 3: the needle I try to thread is like how do

1261
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 3: I express that? Sometimes I do recognize this as some

1262
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 3: kind of stereotype being true versus not and and also

1263
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 3: like I like mean comedy and I'm sure that will

1264
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 3: get me in trouble to someday, but like, sometimes you know,

1265
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 3: I'll be talking to it'll be like a crowd work

1266
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 3: and it's a nineteen year old and they tell me

1267
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 3: they just came out as non binary, and it's like,

1268
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 3: how can I joke with them in a way that

1269
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 3: is not babying. I don't want to be like everyone,

1270
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 3: let's all cheer down and forget the comedy and feel good.

1271
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 3: And it's navigating that. And I'm sure the reason I

1272
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 3: never want to get a high horse is because I

1273
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 3: know eventually I'll do something where someone will go, oh,

1274
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 3: that was mean or that joke.

1275
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 2: You know.

1276
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 3: I was at a college and it was like doing

1277
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 3: crowd work with someone and they were talking about the

1278
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 3: roommates were hooking up, and at first I thought the

1279
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 3: roommates were gay and they didn't want to be in

1280
00:59:57,640 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 3: the room with them, and they said the roommate was

1281
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 3: non binary. I think the joke, you know, speed of

1282
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 3: the moment. It's like instead of sixty nine, ing, do

1283
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 3: they zero? And it's like I can see a world

1284
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 3: where someone goes, fuck you, non binary people can sixty nine,

1285
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 3: and I'll be like, yes, of course they can. It's

1286
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 3: it's just it's a playoff the word non and uh.

1287
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 3: But I also think like that's I think that is

1288
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 3: important in terms of like, I think a lot of

1289
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 3: a lot of leftist momentum, progressive momentum got stymied by

1290
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 3: by a lack of sense of humor. And it's hard

1291
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 3: because if you let people make jokes, a lot of

1292
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 3: guys in a toxic siety and women to go back

1293
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 3: to the most baseline homophobic jokes. But if you police

1294
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 3: people in an annoying way, they just write you off

1295
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 3: and they get annoyed. And so I do think there

1296
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 3: has to be a way forward with mean humor, which

1297
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 3: people do long for and like you have. In order

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01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 3: for aggressive things to go for, you have to show

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01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 3: people you can play ball, you can be a fucking ass,

1300
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 3: So you can make a dark joke. But it's tough

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01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 3: with the balance, you know, it's but I think that's

1302
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 3: an interesting comedic space to navigate, and I want to

1303
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 3: be you know, people use the term funny is funny

1304
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 3: to like justify shitty behavior, But I do believe that

1305
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 3: if you keep funny as your guiding light and you

1306
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 3: are of an open heart, you will ultimately make good

1307
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 3: work that isn't hateful, but it does it can be mean. Yeah,

1308
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 3: and some people won't like it, and the Internet will

1309
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 3: allow it to be collectivised in a way that feels.

1310
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 3: But you can't become obsessed because for all the points

1311
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Speaker 3: we said earlier, it's a small contingency.

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Speaker 2: That's the thing. And I think that's like the biggest

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01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 2: thing I'm realizing. There was a brief period where canceling

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01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 2: became mainstream, and that was basically a year and a half,

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01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 2: and then since then and we were all on the

1316
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 2: internet cover times, and but since then, people have maintained

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01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 2: the fear of cancelation.

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Speaker 3: I say that all the time that right now, SOI

1319
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 3: comedians that literally still exists in that space and they're like,

1320
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 3: can you cut this on the podcast.

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01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 2: I'm like, it's really more chill.

1322
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 3: We're not doing that anymore. Yeah, no, we're not.

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01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do, well, of course you do. Wonder if

1324
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 2: that also comes in waves in like suddenly in seven years, it'll.

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Speaker 3: Be like sure. But I think like the mistake people

1326
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 3: made with that is like because we were all in COVID,

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01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:25,480
Speaker 3: and COVID is a unique thing. Whenever someone got canceled

1328
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 3: on the Internet or whatever, we thought like they're dead.

1329
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 3: Like I say, like we had cancel culture. Back in

1330
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 3: ancient Rome, it's just when you got canceled, they killed you.

1331
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:35,360
Speaker 3: And I think it's because they knew if they didn't

1332
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 3: kill you, they'd have to hear you whine about cancel

1333
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 3: culture for the next fifew years. But like with COVID,

1334
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 3: we thought people left the Internet, they stopped existing. And

1335
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 3: then this is part of the Trump era, this is

1336
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 3: part of everything. We're like, oh, Kevin Space, he's still

1337
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 3: gonna go make movies. Yeah, and you have to contend

1338
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 3: with that. I'm not saying you have to go forgive

1339
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 3: Kevin Space because of that, but it's like, yeah, he's

1340
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 3: gonna make movies, and maybe if he's not making them,

1341
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 3: America's gonna make them in Israel. It's just like people

1342
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 3: still exist. People still exist in the world, and you

1343
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 3: have to confront that in terms of how you deal

1344
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 3: with punishments.

1345
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:11,440
Speaker 1: I think the mean humor thing, I think is a

1346
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 1: good point and sort of in conversation because I do

1347
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 1: feel like in the twenty tens it was very popular

1348
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 1: to be like like a nice comedian, Like it was

1349
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 1: cool to be like nice and like get sort of

1350
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 1: a clappter thing everywhere, and so then cancel culture. Then

1351
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 1: we're sort of in this weird space where it's like, Okay,

1352
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 1: we want to be mean, we know that, but we

1353
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 1: don't want to be an asshole either.

1354
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Speaker 3: And I think, listen, I think the bottom line is

1355
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 3: speaking from talk about a straight thing where it's like,

1356
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 3: I think some guys felt like, I'm not safe here.

1357
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 3: There's not a safety to be mean. People get so

1358
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 3: mad at me so quickly, they take me in the

1359
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 3: worst possible faith. And you're watching a queer comedians get

1360
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 3: away with murders sometimes and you're like, okay, and that

1361
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 3: that Bill. You can't let that resent. The problem is

1362
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 3: for some guys it let the resentment fucking destroy them.

1363
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 3: Or there are some people stop liking their comedy and

1364
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 3: they shifted so far totally, and there was a lot

1365
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 3: of bad liberalish comedy totally, but right now there is

1366
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 3: some awful right wing comedy mixed in with someone who

1367
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 3: like but something like a lot of this kill Tony.

1368
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 3: You're like, this is not funny.

1369
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 2: It's so that gives me hope, honestly, because you are

1370
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 2: absolutely correct that during the Hannahgatsby era, like the the presidency,

1371
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 2: the quote yeah, like the quote unquote like more left

1372
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:38,000
Speaker 2: leaning queer comedy often was terrible and it made you,

1373
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:41,920
Speaker 2: I you know, it made us as fellow queer comedians,

1374
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 2: feel like, oh god, like, is this what people think

1375
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 2: I do? I honestly remember, like even just like booking

1376
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:50,360
Speaker 2: people for this podcast and have and being like it's

1377
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 2: a podcast where we talk about straight culture, I'm like,

1378
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 2: oh god, they probably think this thing, like since they

1379
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 2: think this is like some sincere thing where we're like

1380
01:04:57,000 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 2: talking about like how oppressed we are or something, and

1381
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 2: oh god, like I don't want people think that's sure,

1382
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:06,480
Speaker 2: and it is. There's something that actually feels almost nice

1383
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 2: about that switching. And you're seeing as you're saying, the

1384
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 2: right wing people do horrible pandering material to essentially clapter

1385
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 2: about shople that are like anti DEI, and let's hope

1386
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 2: that that means that the people on the left are

1387
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 2: like going to become more creative and like make that sure.

1388
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:26,520
Speaker 3: And also like, first of all, I liked I thought

1389
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:29,560
Speaker 3: what was Hanna against? What is it called nttette Net

1390
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 3: was like a good piece of theater, and it was

1391
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 3: ultimately it was a build as it was built as

1392
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 3: a stand up comedy special for advertising purposes. Yes, and

1393
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 3: then everyone acted like this is going to invade our spaces?

1394
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 3: Is that the comedy seller changed in some way? But

1395
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:43,920
Speaker 3: I also saw, like you know, if you watch Andrew

1396
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 3: Schultz's new special, it ends with a video montage of

1397
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:51,120
Speaker 3: his wife getting pregnant having a baby, and people like

1398
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:54,560
Speaker 3: crying and moved, and I go like, don't you see

1399
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 3: people just sometimes want to cry, and like you're crying

1400
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 3: at the end of the Neette, You're crying at the

1401
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:03,600
Speaker 3: end of this. Don't you understand you have more in common.

1402
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 3: Comedians get to a place where sometimes they want to

1403
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 3: do more than make you laugh, and that doesn't mean

1404
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:10,120
Speaker 3: that laughter is coming to an end. But I see

1405
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 3: people going like, wow, I cried at the end of this,

1406
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 3: and I go, that's what everyone was so mad about

1407
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 3: with Hannah gat for so long.

1408
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:20,840
Speaker 2: It's like how Chappelle, Like the stereotype of Chappelle's later

1409
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:22,960
Speaker 2: work is like he's saying something and then he gets

1410
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,560
Speaker 2: really serious, and he's like they crucified him for that.

1411
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 2: Like it's like it's like you know what I mean, Like, yeah,

1412
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:30,680
Speaker 2: he is the king of suddenly becoming more serious. Oh

1413
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 2: my god, it's it's it's anyway, yeah, wow, Well Jean

1414
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 2: Marco any final thoughts on weightlifting.

1415
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 3: Oh, I think I think my trainer, I don't know.

1416
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 3: He's he hasn't been, he hasn't gone back recently, so interesting.

1417
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 3: But he's gay. Huh huge, And it definitely is like

1418
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 3: that is one of those that is one of those

1419
01:06:56,080 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 3: things where I go, I want to have my trainer

1420
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 3: be a gay man, And I don't know if I

1421
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 3: don't care if it's bad. I mean, that's that's the truth.

1422
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:07,600
Speaker 3: It's like, and I don't know why. I don't know

1423
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 3: if I can fully articulate, like what it what it is,

1424
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 3: but I feel like.

1425
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1426
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 3: I don't know who I work out for. If it's

1427
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:19,680
Speaker 3: for myself, if it's for my business, if it's all

1428
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 3: over the thing. It's just liking to feel a certain way,

1429
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:24,400
Speaker 3: if it's to make up for not feeling athletic as

1430
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 3: a kid. But I'm like the way that I want

1431
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 3: to talk about when I when I was worried about

1432
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 3: if I was in shape or not, I asked a

1433
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 3: friend of mine from college, a gay guy, and I

1434
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 3: said to him, I like, I'm I have prants around

1435
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:41,440
Speaker 3: in my underwear. In general, I'm just an underwear guy,

1436
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 3: I'm a newdist if I'm alone. And I said to him, like,

1437
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 3: I'm in good shape, right, And he didn't say anything.

1438
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 3: And I went to my room and I cried, and

1439
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 3: then we like he talked and he was like, and

1440
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:55,880
Speaker 3: this is like a friend. This is a friend who

1441
01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 3: can be a hard friend, but he's an honest friend.

1442
01:07:58,560 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 3: It's notimes you need an honest friends. And he was

1443
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:02,320
Speaker 3: saying I was not in shape. But what I was

1444
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:04,120
Speaker 3: saying that I thought I was. He was like, he

1445
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:06,080
Speaker 3: was like, you're in fine shape. But if you think

1446
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 3: that you're like in excellent shape, you're that's not That's

1447
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 3: essentially now listen. I understand some people would.

1448
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:15,600
Speaker 1: Hear that and go, we're really giving him a lot

1449
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 1: of grace.

1450
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:19,040
Speaker 3: I listen, listen, No, but you're you have to understand

1451
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 3: the energy that I brought to it. It's like if

1452
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:22,639
Speaker 3: I came to you. If it's like if someone comes

1453
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:25,760
Speaker 3: to you and goes, I'm I'm an amazing singer, right sure,

1454
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:28,200
Speaker 3: and they're not an amazing singer. Are you the friend

1455
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:29,880
Speaker 3: that lets them go in American Idol and make a

1456
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 3: fool of themselves or are you the friend who says

1457
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:34,800
Speaker 3: you maybe if you if you want to be an

1458
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:37,759
Speaker 3: amazing singer, you might want to take some voice lessons.

1459
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:40,920
Speaker 2: But I would say you're like in better shape than

1460
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 2: like ninety five percent of the peo.

1461
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:42,760
Speaker 1: This is.

1462
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:44,960
Speaker 3: This was a long time ago. This is because oh

1463
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:48,599
Speaker 3: that's why, well this is not recently. Okay, i'd say

1464
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:54,200
Speaker 3: fuck you, excellent shape. But there's just like, in terms

1465
01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:59,400
Speaker 3: of talking about my own body, there's something where I'm like,

1466
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 3: I want to talk to a gay man because I

1467
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:06,040
Speaker 3: want to talk to another man, and I trust a

1468
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:09,760
Speaker 3: gay man's ability like talk about what looks good over

1469
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:11,120
Speaker 3: a straight man, and.

1470
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 2: I know they're not about you because they're not trying

1471
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 2: to fuck.

1472
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 3: They possess the lack of empathy only a man could

1473
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:17,120
Speaker 3: put on a.

1474
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:21,599
Speaker 1: Well, I've been feeling this way with clothing shopping recently,

1475
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:24,200
Speaker 1: where I've been trying on a lot of suits and

1476
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:28,240
Speaker 1: you know, you've been having like thank you you like

1477
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:31,439
Speaker 1: like sometimes I feel very sexualized where they're like, oh,

1478
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:33,760
Speaker 1: try this, you try this, and I'm like, actually, it

1479
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:35,519
Speaker 1: actually makes you feel so much better to know that

1480
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:38,679
Speaker 1: you're sexualizing me. Like I'm like, you're actually paying attention. Yes,

1481
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:41,479
Speaker 1: you have fake in this game, like you want me

1482
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:43,280
Speaker 1: to be you want to turn yourself on?

1483
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:43,840
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1484
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 1: Me.

1485
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 3: So my little sister she works at Selene in Los Angeles,

1486
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:50,320
Speaker 3: and she like helps pick out fits sometimes, and I

1487
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 3: do some nice think like there is a thing where

1488
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:56,519
Speaker 3: I say to her, like, I need to look sexy

1489
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 3: and you are you able, as my sister to do that?

1490
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 3: Are you able to look and like go, that's sexy,

1491
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 3: or are you ultimately like gonna make me look good

1492
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 3: but in an asexual way? Are you going like, oh,

1493
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:13,559
Speaker 3: make sure you get some chest hair in there, because

1494
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 3: that's turning the.

1495
01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:17,599
Speaker 2: Ladies I had experienced recently, I went to this new

1496
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:20,559
Speaker 2: men's restore in Brooklyn. I wish I could shut outcause

1497
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:21,720
Speaker 2: it's a great story, but I'm about to say a

1498
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 2: negative story about them, so I won't. I the owner

1499
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:30,320
Speaker 2: of the store was there really like hot, attractive fashion guy,

1500
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:34,439
Speaker 2: you know, perfectly quaff beer whatever. I was trying to

1501
01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:38,680
Speaker 2: buy a nice shirt for something, and he was being

1502
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:41,719
Speaker 2: very much like, oh that, I mean, the collar perfectly

1503
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:43,639
Speaker 2: frames your face, blah blah. And then I find out

1504
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:46,920
Speaker 2: after the fact that he is in fact straight, not gay,

1505
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 2: and just like because he works in fashion and like

1506
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:52,720
Speaker 2: speaks like that, and says like, you know the color

1507
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:56,640
Speaker 2: of yeah, and the way that I then put the

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01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:58,519
Speaker 2: shirt back on, looked at myself in the mirror and

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01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:02,519
Speaker 2: I was like, I look bad, like the sheen of

1510
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:05,599
Speaker 2: his praise was gone. And I'm I have it actually here,

1511
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:08,639
Speaker 2: I'm returning it today. I literally have the bag next

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01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 2: to me.

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01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 1: This is one of the scariest stories.

1514
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:14,439
Speaker 2: And I'm telling you it doesn't look good on me.

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01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 2: Like I now can objectively see it. It fits me weirdly.

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01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:19,560
Speaker 3: It is I love in fashion. They have to be like,

1517
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:21,760
Speaker 3: no one can know that I'm straight. No one can

1518
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:22,479
Speaker 3: know that I'm straight?

1519
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:23,000
Speaker 2: Wow?

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01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:23,559
Speaker 3: Secret?

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01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:27,840
Speaker 1: That is crazy. And for you to go through the

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01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:30,040
Speaker 1: trouble of returning something, I mean, can you have the

1523
01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:33,520
Speaker 1: weirdness of it and still continuously expensive?

1524
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:37,040
Speaker 2: Wow? I guess what I can only get for our credit?

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01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:38,000
Speaker 1: Woh wow.

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01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:40,200
Speaker 2: Well, I can't wait to see what you come up with. Same?

1527
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:43,360
Speaker 2: Should we do our final segment?

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01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:49,439
Speaker 1: Our final segment is called shout Outs, and in this

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01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:51,680
Speaker 1: segment we pay omash is the grand straight tradition of

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01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:55,120
Speaker 1: the radio shout out shouting out to anything, people, places, things,

1531
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:58,240
Speaker 1: ideas that we are enjoying. We make them up on

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01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 1: the spot. We are unprepared. Her usual George, do you

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01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:04,639
Speaker 1: happen to have one?

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01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:11,439
Speaker 2: Yeah? Hit us with it? Okay, what's up, cinophiles. I

1535
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:13,400
Speaker 2: want to give a shout out to the movie Drop,

1536
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:17,519
Speaker 2: which I just watched two days ago. Now, as everyone knows,

1537
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:20,200
Speaker 2: this movie is about a woman on a first date

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01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:22,000
Speaker 2: and she starts getting drops on her phone. You know

1539
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:24,280
Speaker 2: about this dram marker. I don't, Okay, So she's on

1540
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 2: a first date. It's Megan pay from White Load to

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01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:29,600
Speaker 2: Season two. She's on a first date. She gets to

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01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 2: drop on her phone, like an air drop, and it's

1543
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:34,680
Speaker 2: like hey, and it turns out it's a guy that

1544
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:36,760
Speaker 2: is sending her messages and they're like, you have to

1545
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 2: kill your date, otherwise your son will die. And she

1546
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:43,439
Speaker 2: figures out that there's someone she can see on the

1547
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 2: cam Mara's on her phone, that there's someone at her

1548
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:49,640
Speaker 2: place where her son is being babysad, and so then

1549
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:51,599
Speaker 2: she has to do all these things that this man

1550
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:54,400
Speaker 2: keeps telling her otherwise her son will die. And I

1551
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 2: guess I just want to give a generalized shout out

1552
01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:59,080
Speaker 2: to movies with a very simple premise that managed to

1553
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:01,479
Speaker 2: stick the landing because it is actually very rare. You know,

1554
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:03,679
Speaker 2: anyone can come up with the premise than what People

1555
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 2: don't realize that it has to have a second and

1556
01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:06,760
Speaker 2: a third act and then it has to have a

1557
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:09,720
Speaker 2: satisfying conclusion. And I would say this film pulled that

1558
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:13,880
Speaker 2: off much like the movie Red Eye famous Wes Craven.

1559
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:17,040
Speaker 2: I want to say, Red Eye don't remember anyway? Yeah,

1560
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:20,760
Speaker 2: so you know what? Keep them common folks.

1561
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:27,960
Speaker 1: Who okay, what's up? Freaks, lusism perverts around the globe.

1562
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:31,120
Speaker 1: I want to give out to the broken screen. On

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01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:35,240
Speaker 1: my flight over here, I had a broken screen and

1564
01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:38,720
Speaker 1: could not watch movies or TV even and it gave

1565
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:42,840
Speaker 1: me a sense of superiority that I actually missed. I

1566
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:45,400
Speaker 1: have been feeling sort of man of the people vibes,

1567
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:49,639
Speaker 1: maybe even anti intellectual, and not this flight. This flight,

1568
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:52,640
Speaker 1: I read my damn book the whole four hours and

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01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:53,439
Speaker 1: thirty minutes.

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01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:53,960
Speaker 3: Damn.

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01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:57,200
Speaker 1: You better believe I'm much further than I ever thought

1572
01:13:57,240 --> 01:14:00,599
Speaker 1: I would be read the book for our episode on Thursday.

1573
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:05,160
Speaker 1: Oh I'm gonna be fucking prepped. And I felt like

1574
01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:07,360
Speaker 1: I could feel people looking at me saying.

1575
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:09,040
Speaker 2: Is he reading this whole time? Oh my god, he's

1576
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:10,040
Speaker 2: still reading And.

1577
01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 1: He's not even napping, not even for a little bit.

1578
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:12,639
Speaker 2: That's right.

1579
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:15,919
Speaker 1: I was a hero on the plane. Everyone was gagged

1580
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:19,600
Speaker 1: at my intellectualism. And sometimes it's forced upon you, but.

1581
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:22,720
Speaker 2: You have to take the call. Oh my god, First

1582
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:24,559
Speaker 2: of all, you are so ahead of me in terms

1583
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:26,800
Speaker 2: of buzzy books. It's crazy. You've lapped me twice.

1584
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:28,360
Speaker 1: I'm lapping you. I'm lapping your ass.

1585
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:29,280
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

1586
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:30,639
Speaker 1: Role reversal over here.

1587
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:37,360
Speaker 2: Literally, and now your body's tight, John Marco, whenever you're.

1588
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:41,840
Speaker 3: Ready, h what's up? It's the next sexy boys and

1589
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:46,759
Speaker 3: girls around the universe. I stayed at a Hilton hotel

1590
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:50,519
Speaker 3: in Wilmington, North Carolina. The hotels in this country are

1591
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:53,600
Speaker 3: are falling apart of the seams. It is a fucking disaster.

1592
01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:56,080
Speaker 3: And no one should live a life on the road

1593
01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:58,400
Speaker 3: because you really experienced just the worst of life. But

1594
01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:03,200
Speaker 3: you see where America is going. My room, Saturday morning,

1595
01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:07,639
Speaker 3: six am, one of the alarms in the hotel clock

1596
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:09,720
Speaker 3: went off, and then it went off a second time

1597
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:12,519
Speaker 3: after that. My ac thing was broken, so it was

1598
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:16,040
Speaker 3: fifty nine degrees in my room the entire time. And

1599
01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:21,800
Speaker 3: I complained, of course, and they gave me two things. One,

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01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:24,760
Speaker 3: they gave me fifty dollars off at the restaurant in

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01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:27,600
Speaker 3: the hotel. Again, am I happy about the hotel being shitty, No,

1602
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:32,840
Speaker 3: but they gave. They gave. I complained and they said

1603
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:36,200
Speaker 3: we will make this. Write I fifty nine degrees. There

1604
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:38,560
Speaker 3: was no rooms. Then they found one room for me

1605
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:42,880
Speaker 3: to switch that night. Society is collapsing. I understand the

1606
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:46,560
Speaker 3: people who are hired in the middle part, they're not

1607
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:50,000
Speaker 3: to blame, but unfortunately, this is the job that they've taken.

1608
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:52,360
Speaker 3: And if you're there and it's your home for the night,

1609
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:55,040
Speaker 3: they they're the ones that need to lead the revolution.

1610
01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 3: Give enough of those fifty dollars cards that the hotel

1611
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:00,240
Speaker 3: goes we're going bankrupt, and maybe it closes and maybe

1612
01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:02,040
Speaker 3: that's a good thing and you sacrifice your job, or

1613
01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:03,760
Speaker 3: maybe they go, this is a disaster, and you go,

1614
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:05,080
Speaker 3: why what am I going to do? Tell the guy

1615
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:09,000
Speaker 3: to fuck off? And unfortunately you've taken on the burden

1616
01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:11,120
Speaker 3: of we can't just let it happen. We can't just

1617
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:14,800
Speaker 3: let it slide. I can't, I can't, I can't just

1618
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:18,120
Speaker 3: not sleep. And I shout out to it to all

1619
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:20,840
Speaker 3: those people who are are have been put in shitty

1620
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:24,120
Speaker 3: positions those people in the lost baggage claim area at

1621
01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:27,360
Speaker 3: the airports that it's not your fault that the bag

1622
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:30,040
Speaker 3: is lost. But you're the one who's saying, like, here's

1623
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:33,160
Speaker 3: the four hundred dollars coupon for the flight. You gotta

1624
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:35,000
Speaker 3: tear You got to tear up these companies from the

1625
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:38,320
Speaker 3: inside and make them fix or die, because there's no

1626
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:41,120
Speaker 3: way this is sustainable. There's no way it's sustainable.

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01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:42,559
Speaker 1: Wowow.

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01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:44,600
Speaker 2: I just want to say, I want to give a

1629
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:46,320
Speaker 2: shout out to the phrase the people that are hired

1630
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:49,320
Speaker 2: in the middle part, because it's so like, that's a

1631
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:52,719
Speaker 2: that's literally the that's a Jordan Peel movie, the middle

1632
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:56,760
Speaker 2: part in the middle part. Yeah, no, it's so true.

1633
01:16:56,800 --> 01:16:58,880
Speaker 2: I mean I have to say, if I complain about

1634
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:00,840
Speaker 2: something which is very rare, and I get even like

1635
01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:03,599
Speaker 2: one dollar, I'm immediately like, I'm writing you into my will. Yeah.

1636
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:05,559
Speaker 2: I'm like thak, yes, yeah, this was really amazing.

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01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:07,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you just gotta Oh. If I worked up

1638
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:09,200
Speaker 3: the play they fireman, I give twenty five bucks each

1639
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:10,360
Speaker 3: time they came in. I was saying, hey, this is

1640
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 3: a piece of shit right off the gate, here's twenty

1641
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:12,439
Speaker 3: five dolls.

1642
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:16,040
Speaker 2: I actually toid more when something is bad because I

1643
01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:16,599
Speaker 2: feel bad.

1644
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:18,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but it was nice. It was like he

1645
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:20,720
Speaker 3: came and it was fifty he walked in the room,

1646
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:22,840
Speaker 3: and I like that he did this. He went, oh

1647
01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:25,760
Speaker 3: my god, like acknowledge, it is very cold.

1648
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:26,280
Speaker 1: That's nice.

1649
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:28,760
Speaker 3: Fifty nine degrees is very cold. I'm not being a

1650
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:31,960
Speaker 3: baby here. And the blankets are this thin. We all

1651
01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:35,120
Speaker 3: know what we're doing here, covered in com don't yeah, yeah, yeah.

1652
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:35,439
Speaker 2: Don't lie.

1653
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:37,960
Speaker 3: Don't lie that it's not that bad or the worst.

1654
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:40,320
Speaker 3: Like this one baggage. The bag was ripped open, it

1655
01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:42,760
Speaker 3: was soaking wet. They ruined everything. And she said, she said,

1656
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:45,120
Speaker 3: it happens more often than you'd think, and I was like,

1657
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:48,320
Speaker 3: that's not for me. That doesn't make me feel better,

1658
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:52,120
Speaker 3: that's don't don't even offer that. Yeah, then you should

1659
01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:53,560
Speaker 3: have a better answer, But it happens more often. You

1660
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:54,920
Speaker 3: have a better answer than whatever the fuck?

1661
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 2: This is actually the opposite of what you want to

1662
01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:58,920
Speaker 2: hear because you want to be the protagonist of that story.

1663
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:01,640
Speaker 2: It's like, yes, how could this possibly happen to me?

1664
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:06,000
Speaker 1: Wow? Well, this has been a delight.

1665
01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 2: Incredible. I'm Jean Marco where can people find you, where

1666
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:15,920
Speaker 2: people see you, and how can people you know, maybe

1667
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:18,080
Speaker 2: even physically find you and visit physically.

1668
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:20,640
Speaker 3: I announce my location pretty much every night if you

1669
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:24,000
Speaker 3: want to find me to do whatever at Jo Marcus

1670
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:27,200
Speaker 3: Arasi all social media platforms. My podcast is called the

1671
01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:30,040
Speaker 3: Downside with Tree Marcus Arasi and I'm just on tour

1672
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:31,880
Speaker 3: all the time. I post a lot of videos online

1673
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:33,840
Speaker 3: and I'll have a special coming out later this year,

1674
01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:36,040
Speaker 3: probably on YouTube, so just stay tuned.

1675
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:38,920
Speaker 1: Whoo whoo, Okay, thanks for doing the polo, Thank you

1676
01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:40,920
Speaker 1: bye podcast.

1677
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:42,160
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1678
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:45,719
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1679
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