1 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. 3 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:17,119 Speaker 1: My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Julie Douglas. What 4 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 1: disgust you do? What? What? What do you regularly encounter 5 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:22,959 Speaker 1: in the world around you that SUTs off the disgust 6 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: center of your brain. I was thinking about this, and 7 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: for me, it's um. I mean, I do have some 8 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: visual disgust, Like, for instance, if I watch Clockwork Orange 9 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 1: and they see the scene where they're peeling back his 10 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 1: eyes and they've got the little hooks right on his 11 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: the lids of his eyes, that just disgust me. It 12 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: makes my stomach turn. Um somehow, something about eyes really 13 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: and and poking at eyes disgusting to me. But more 14 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: than anything, I think smells, because it could be just 15 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: something as you know, normal, as hey, there's some stinky 16 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: garbage or cigarette butts that kind of makes me real 17 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: coil yourself. Well, I mean, certainly a bad odor will 18 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: get to me, but I guess things that seem like 19 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: unhygienic things often give me the all over. It's like 20 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:13,279 Speaker 1: if I'm if there's somebody on on on the train 21 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: and they're coughing without covering their mouth. Or the time 22 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: I saw the chicken lady on the train. Have I 23 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: mentioned this before? I do believe I've heard of it. 24 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 1: And she was eating an entire rope. Well, she had 25 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 1: a rotisserie chicken that had been that she had been 26 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: eating on and it was down to just like the 27 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: little sort of gray slivers, and she was picking the 28 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 1: meat off of it on the train, and then she 29 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 1: would touch the pole on the train, and then she 30 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,199 Speaker 1: would go back to eating her chicken, which just totally 31 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: freaking me out. I basically had to had to switch 32 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: cars at that point, you know, things things of that 33 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: nature where I'm like, this is kind of gross, and 34 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: that part of my brain is dis wanting me to 35 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: flee for for fear of all the diseases rolling off 36 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: the situation right right, It's like you're having this this 37 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: really powerful feeling for a reason, right. Your body, your mind, 38 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: everything is telling you like back away right now, um, 39 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: And there's a reason for this, and we're going to 40 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: talk about that. Um. I asked Jonathan Strickland of Tech 41 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: Stuff what disgusted him, and he gave me a very 42 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: specific answer that it was maggots emerging from carcasses, because 43 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: you might mistake the movement under the skin for something 44 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 1: else than they emerge, and uh, chaos and sues. Ah, well, 45 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: there's a there's a great example of that in the 46 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: book The Wasp Factory. It actually ends up driving a 47 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: character in saying that's a Banks book. The guy did 48 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: the culture series. Look it up if you want to 49 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: be disgusted. But why are we disgusted? Right? Why? Why 50 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 1: does this happen? And where does it occur in nature? Um? 51 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:45,679 Speaker 1: Where does it occur in the brain? Why why is 52 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: it such a part of who we are? Well? Joshua 53 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: Tiber the universe, the U University excuse me in Amsterdam 54 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 1: proposed three domains of discussed three separate psychological programs. Yeah, okay, 55 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 1: and they all make sense, right, deseese what you talked about, right, 56 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 1: people coughing on the train. Yeah, with putting on their 57 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 1: their chicken juice on the poles. Uh, that just sounded wrong. Mate, 58 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: choice and moral judgment. Okay, we'll see, like all three 59 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: of those are rolled up in the Chicken Lady because 60 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: because I'm like, that's gross and potentially going to strepad 61 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 1: a disease. I really don't want to mate with you. 62 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: And uh, morally I think it's also yeah, morally, it's 63 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: against the rules to eat on the train. What the 64 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,959 Speaker 1: heck are you doing? Um? Yeah, yeah, it's a little 65 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: bit reprehensible to sit there and basically, you know, essentially 66 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: like lick your hands and the chicken and then just 67 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: put it all over everything for other people who come 68 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: upon and transfer to themselves. Yeah. Though, if you touch 69 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: one of those poles with your bare skin, I mean 70 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: you're really asking for it. You are always looking arm yeah, 71 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: or wearing or just pull your sleep down, yeah, or 72 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: just or just fall. Better to fall on the floor 73 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: than to touch that pole. Yeah, roll around on that 74 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: floor is probably a lot that are Um. Apparently there 75 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: is a look of disgust that is universal. So when 76 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: we feel disgusted, this look crosses over our faces. Um, 77 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: and what it is and this is according to Paul 78 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: Ekman of the University of California at San Francisco, the 79 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: look is screwing up of our noses and pulling down 80 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: at the corners of our mouths. You're doing it right now, Yeah, 81 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: you look a little disgusted. And every culture all over 82 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: the world, this is the look of disgusting. Yeah look, yeah, 83 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 1: so I mean you know you're in another country you're 84 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: disgusted by something. Just keep that in mind that if 85 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 1: you happen to be over at someone's home in another 86 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: country and they're cooking you something and it's maybe not 87 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: something that you would try at your own home, trying 88 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 1: not to screw your nose, because there's something universal. It's 89 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: not like go in this country. It thumbs up is 90 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 1: good in this country. It's fighting word, you know, or 91 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 1: like or turn you know, the whole thing. Like if 92 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: you turn your glass upside down in Australia, it means 93 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: you're you're challenging everyone in the bar to a fight. 94 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: But I can't back that at That's one thing I've 95 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: heard our Australian listeners will sort of thought on that up. Yeah. 96 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 1: Or the soles of your shoes in Egypt, right that 97 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 1: I think I believe that's I put down, or or 98 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: like in Thailand, like setting so that your shoes pointing 99 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:14,359 Speaker 1: at somebody, that's that's bad, you know, But here nobody cares. 100 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: Now they don't point your shoes all you want. Uh. 101 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 1: But Charles Darwin actually tackled this subject before and the 102 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: paper the expression of the emotions in man and animals, 103 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,799 Speaker 1: and he described the face of disgust as if we're 104 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 1: expelling some horrible tasting substance from the mouth. So there 105 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 1: has been, you know, historical interest in disgust, but as 106 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: of late it's actually getting some some legs, as you 107 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 1: would say, in terms of being studied in earnest. Dr 108 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: Valerie Curtis of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical 109 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: Medicine is a disgust bologist in fact, and she says, 110 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: disgust is in our everyday life. It determines our hygiene behaviors. 111 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 1: It determines how close we get to people, determines who 112 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: were going to kiss, who we're going to meet with, 113 00:05:58,160 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: who we're going to sit next to. It determines the 114 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 1: people that we shunned, and that is something that we 115 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 1: do a lot of. Yeah, and you look at the 116 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: list of things that are typically associated with the disgust 117 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:09,359 Speaker 1: um and certainly it's one of the ones we already 118 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: mentioned are on there. I mean, you know, the basically 119 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: bodily secretion issues, feces, vomit, sweats, bit blood plus sexual fluids, 120 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: body parts, wounds, corpses, tonail, clippings, decaying food, certain living 121 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: creatures like the maggots, like lice, like worms, rats, some people, 122 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 1: dogs and cats, which to each their own. And then uh, 123 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,679 Speaker 1: and then individuals who are ill the diseased right again, 124 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: then there's that visual of that person is someone I 125 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 1: need to back away from. Um. But yeah, and the 126 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: body parts uh universals list that you're talking about, toneail 127 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 1: clippings came up. Yeah, and I thought that was really 128 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: interesting because I thought I feel the same way. And no, Um, 129 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: I always attributed it to being some sort of weird 130 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: idea that I had that someone might take my tonail 131 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: clippings and that's just spell against me exactly. I mean, 132 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: that's the old magic of be careful with your hair. 133 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 1: Stuff into the side of you. Don't don't let anybody 134 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 1: get all of your brush or they could keeps cast 135 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: magical spells against you. Right. Yeah, there's irrational fears that 136 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: we have. Yeah, and it's actually interesting. You know, in 137 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: the past we've discussed sympathetic magic and our attitudes towards 138 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: discussed or somewhat wrapped up in sympathetic magic, like the 139 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: you know, the idea that say, something that has come 140 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: into contact with something gross is therefore gross, which is 141 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: a which, as a basic physical rule, tends to apply. 142 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: You know, if the fork has been in the toilet, 143 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: you're not going to eat with the fork, even if 144 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: you clean it. Sometimes, you know, to have this association 145 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: of the fork of the toilet trying to spear something right, 146 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: But then are you know, humans have the ability to 147 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: really get out and take things and extrapolate them to 148 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: ridiculous levels. So you end up with a situation where 149 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: you I mean, that's where we end up with things 150 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: like the idea that certain individuals are n'touchable because they 151 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: have a particular job in society that that puts them 152 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: in contact with foul things or foul ideas even you 153 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: know it, it ends up becoming a part of this 154 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: sympathetic magic and the idea that something can be not 155 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: only befouled but besmirched, you know. Yeah, and we'll talk 156 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: about that a little bit more too later about the 157 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: cultural aspect of it and what you're talking about um 158 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: in sympathetic magic, because that's really it's such an interesting 159 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: psychological component to this. Yeah, but back to the physiological 160 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: I found an interesting um uh description of this in 161 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: the book Clean A History of Personal Hygiene and Purity 162 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: by Virginia Smith, which I think I've mentioned for it 163 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: is just a great book on the history of of 164 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: hygiene and how hygiene ends up becoming interwoven with these 165 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: ideas of purity. But she refers to the nervous reflex 166 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: of disgust and repulsion as a physiological safety net, which 167 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: I think that you know, ties in nicely with the 168 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: with the with the disease and uh uh and and 169 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: mating aspect of this trifecta of repulsion. Okay, all right, 170 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: I can see that. All right. So diving into the brain, 171 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 1: where is this tech in place? When I when I 172 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: see the chicken lady on the on the train, like, like, 173 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: what's lighting up? If someone would strapped me into you know, 174 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: an fm R I or something. Yeah, if we could 175 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: see a scan your brain, we would see a lot 176 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 1: of activity in insula and the amygdala as well as 177 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: other especially this frontal insula. It's an area the brain 178 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: that in addition to the deep seated discuss you have, 179 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 1: you also have things such as addiction is sometimes tied 180 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 1: up there as well. So it's not it's not like 181 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: just the repulsion center of the brain. Um, there have 182 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 1: been studies that have shown that people would damage to 183 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: this portion of the brain were actually able to give 184 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:40,079 Speaker 1: up cigarettes instantly. So so there's a lot going on there. 185 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: But one of the things that is it is definitely 186 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: going on there is repulsion. Yeah, and mygdala, of course 187 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: is processing emotions. That that makes sense that you're seeing 188 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: the chicken lady on Marta the train system and uh, 189 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: you're you're starting to form all of those opinions and 190 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: having a very big gut reaction to it. It's also 191 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: the like if you were to receive a centual touch 192 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: from one significant other that also ends up resonating in 193 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: the insula. So there's a lot of physical stimuli and 194 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: central simuli in the world around you. You wind up 195 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 1: figuring out what you're supposed to do with it. Yeah, 196 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 1: and it's interesting that you actually just brought up um, 197 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: someone that you know um touching you because in a 198 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 1: lot of these studies, and this is going to sound 199 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: like a no dumb moment, but of course we find 200 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: the people that we know less disgusting than the people 201 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: that we don't know. And a lot of that is 202 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: because you know, there's a familiarity there, even if that 203 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 1: person is truly disgusting. Um, but there's less and opportunity 204 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 1: to objectify that person, and maybe on some level you're like, okay, 205 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: well they're not maybe the cleanest of people, but there 206 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 1: are no threat to me. I know this, I know 207 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: my immune system knows that this no threat. Well here's 208 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: the This one actually came up among some friends. Where 209 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 1: do you stand on using a spouse's toothbrush? Um, okay, Well, 210 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: in a situation where it's the only choice, then I'm 211 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: fine with it. But when I've accidentally done it, or 212 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: my daughter grabbed my toothbrush actually this morning, and I 213 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:08,319 Speaker 1: was like no, no, which was kind of ridiculous because um, certainly, 214 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,199 Speaker 1: you know, I eat some of her sandwiches, she eat 215 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:13,959 Speaker 1: some of mine, and we are all exchanging sandwiches sandwiches 216 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,199 Speaker 1: and that makes you sound a little like birds, but 217 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 1: yeah we are. We have a little giant nest um. 218 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: But yeah, and you know kissing and everything, so yeah, 219 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: all the germs are being passed between one another. Well, 220 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: I found just in a few people have talked like 221 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 1: they tend to range. There's some people that are like, yeah, 222 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: like we're you know, you're on a trip and you 223 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: only have one toothbrush in the bag, It's no big deal. 224 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: And then other people were like, you know, absolutely not 225 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 1: one person gets to brush their teeth on that trip. Well, 226 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: it's kind of like my germs, just my germs, Okay, 227 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 1: no one else's germs. Um, which is just silly and funny. Um. 228 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,719 Speaker 1: I guess what we just feel really like we've got 229 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 1: quite a connection with all of the bacteria on our body, 230 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: which we've talked about. It's like, you know, there's tenfold 231 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 1: of foreign bacteria to our to our own cells. So okay, 232 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,959 Speaker 1: I guess we start to feel a little bit fuzzy 233 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: and lovy for our own bacteria. Um. But anyway, let's 234 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: talk about discussed from an evolutionary standpoint. Yeah, like, what 235 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:16,199 Speaker 1: sense does it make, um, evolving? I mean, obviously, the 236 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: big pick I'm here is to is avoiding disease. For 237 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: for an organism to be successful and doesn't need it 238 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: needs to not get taken down by by predators, but 239 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: it also has to avoid the ailments that will weaken 240 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: it either unto death or into the hands of these predators. Right, So, 241 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,199 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's makes sense that we would 242 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 1: have these sort of uh signals for us to visual accues, 243 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 1: smell cues that would make us stop in our tracks 244 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 1: and reassess or reevaluate, because this is how we have 245 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: been so successful as a species, right, this ability to 246 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: step back and evaluate and say this might be something 247 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: that would be harmful to me. Right. We talked about 248 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: some of this in the Science of Stink, where we're 249 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: we're talking about how like a like you, you get 250 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 1: hit with a bad smell, and the bad smell will 251 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: hit you square in the face, and it's your brain's 252 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: way of saying something is wrong here. This is potentially 253 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: poisonous or disease written in some way, shape or form. 254 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:21,319 Speaker 1: So you need to at least think about it before 255 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: you touch it. You have not just completely avoid it entirely. Yeah. 256 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 1: In fact, the New York Times has an article called 257 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: the ick Factor, and in it they talk about how 258 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: smell is causes such a powerful response in the brain 259 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 1: that the U. S. Army has been trying to develop 260 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: a stink bomb with an odor foul enough to be 261 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: used for riot control, and that police are very interested. 262 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 1: And so it makes sense. I mean, that's the kind 263 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 1: of reaction you would have, right, that it could disperse 264 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: crowds because if something that your body is yelling, this 265 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:51,559 Speaker 1: is bad for me, right without necessarily the more adverse 266 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 1: reactions ones and one encounters with like tear gas and 267 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 1: the like rubber bullets, and yeah, and I was actually 268 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: thinking about this too. It's just in terms of my 269 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:07,959 Speaker 1: own personal experiences, uh, with getting ill. And this doesn't 270 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: happen every single time, but it's more likely than not 271 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: that a couple of days before I get ill, I 272 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 1: will have a dream actually, and in the dream, I 273 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: have to use the bathroom. But the only bathroom that's 274 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: available to me is one that's a public restroom. And 275 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: as soon as I walk in it, I realized that 276 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: is the most disgusting public restroom I've ever been in. 277 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: It's feces encrusted everywhere, like every you could not touch 278 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: something that's clean if you tried. And in the dream, 279 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: I always looked down and I'm barefoot, and there's a 280 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: stream of urine and flam and everything that you could 281 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: possibly Yeah, it's the Seriously, if you've ever seen Trainspotting, 282 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: it makes that that bathroom and Trainspotting look really spick 283 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: and span um. But this is and I always have 284 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: this stream, and I always like God, I got oh, 285 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: and I have had it so much that it's obvious 286 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: to me now that I'm about to get sick and 287 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: it's my body trying to tell me something. But it 288 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: wasn't until we were doing this research that I realized 289 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: that just what a big signal my mind and body 290 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: were trying to transmit to me. Wow. Have you tried 291 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: hitting that scenario with any lucid dreaming ever? Well, here's 292 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: the thing. I mean, I can lucid dream most of 293 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: the time, but it's always happens if you ever decided 294 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: like I'm going to clean this bathroom in turn, like 295 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: cleaning Superwoman, and you just stiff it all because my 296 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: because of what happens is the way to unfold is 297 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: that I am I look down in my feet and 298 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: are now you know, in the muck, and so I 299 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: have no I can't even I can't turn back. It 300 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: doesn't matter. I'm exposed as the point of the dream. 301 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: So because yeah, because sometimes I thought, oh, really seriously, 302 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: can I just go to another restroom? But it's too late, 303 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: But there you go. So, I mean, these these are 304 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: all things, you know, feces, um, whatever else is hiding 305 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: away in that public restroom that pretend potential disease and illness. Right, 306 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: those are the things that we look at we have 307 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: such a strong reaction to. And even in the animal world, 308 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: I mean anyone who's had a pet. I mean, granted, 309 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: if you have a dog, it does seem at times 310 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: like the like a dog is disgusted by nothing. But 311 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: but even even dogs occasionally encounter something where they're like 312 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: they're visibly not wanting any of it. They may not 313 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: actually smirk their face up, but they will move away 314 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: from it. They will kind of see it in their ears, right, right, 315 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, certainly in my cat, I've seen 316 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: him do that, back off on things. Um especially like 317 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: if it's chemical too. He seems to have a problem 318 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: with that, which is pretty good. All right, Well, let's 319 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: take a quick break and when we come back, we 320 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: will get into uh, alright, we're back obsessive compulsion disorder. Right, 321 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: how does that time with a whole disgust scenario. Okay, Well, 322 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: just so everybody knows, this is something that affects about 323 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: three point three million people between the ages of eighteen 324 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: and fifty four in the United States alone. And the 325 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: classic example this off and turned around. They like somebody 326 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: who compulsively washed their hands, like their hands cannot I 327 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: mean they're basically lading with Beth because their hands never 328 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: feel completely clean exactly. So um. In the context of disgust, 329 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 1: researchers were interested to see how people with how CD 330 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 1: dealt with things that we're disgusting for those people, and 331 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: in a study by the University of Florida's Evelyn F. 332 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 1: And William L. McKnight Brain Institute, researchers compared the reactions 333 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: of eight people with contamination preoccupation O c D. Okay, 334 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: so a lot of handwashing with a group of healthy 335 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: adults to a set of thirty pictures that had been 336 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 1: rated in terms of emotional impact. So um, the pictures 337 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 1: that we're talking about had a series of threatening, disgusting, 338 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 1: our neutral images like snakes bearing their fangs, Carrie uh, 339 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: flies on pumpkin pie. Yeah, that's what you just swatted away. Okay, 340 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: See we have different disgustometers, right, I didn't do not 341 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 1: like flies landing on my food. I figured, like, you know, 342 00:17:58,320 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: it's kind of one of those things you dropped the 343 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 1: food and or three second roll the same thing with 344 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: a fly. I mean, I'm gonna probably still need it, okay, um, 345 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 1: all right, And the other picture they had was a 346 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: picture of a sunset lovely right uh, And then they 347 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 1: had Mr I skiing scans of their brains and researchers 348 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: found that pictures that induced fear discussed prompted reactions in 349 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: different parts of the brain and both groups of participants, 350 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 1: But the level of stimulation in certain areas of the 351 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 1: brain prompted by the disgusting images was greater with people 352 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: with O C D are greater for people with O 353 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 1: C D UM and this is really interesting too. The 354 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: areas of the brain most affected by these images included 355 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: those that process unpleasant taste and smells. So the difference 356 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:43,400 Speaker 1: suggests that obsessive people driven to behaviors like constant handwashing 357 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 1: may be motivated by their extreme sensitivity to discuss, and not, 358 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 1: as commonly thought, by their fear of some sort of 359 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: awful outcome. Um, if they were to stop washing their hands. Okay, 360 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 1: So it's not just it's not like a conscious thing 361 00:18:58,280 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: like I have to wash my hands or I'm going 362 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,239 Speaker 1: to catch the leg. It's it's it's tied up on 363 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: a much more primal level, right, yeah, exactly. I mean 364 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: that and I found that absolutely um fascinating because you 365 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 1: think about O c D and you think about hand washing, 366 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: and you think about it as some sort of crazy 367 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: prevention method, but in fact, it is that they're they're 368 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: having this reaction that's so heartfelt that you know, they're 369 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:24,400 Speaker 1: overreacting to the stimuli in front of them, right, which 370 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: is why I mean, it's like you're not going to 371 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 1: talk somebody out of O c D. You're not gonna 372 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 1: be able to reason, and not because it's not coming 373 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: from a seed of reason. Uh, you know, you're not 374 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 1: gonna be able to say, like, well, logically you're washing 375 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 1: your hands too much and you're actually doing more damage 376 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: to your skin. Blah blah blah. It's not gonna well, 377 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,360 Speaker 1: especially if you're Amingdala two is having such an overreaction. 378 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: I mean, this is these are things that are going 379 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: on undercover that you don't even know. So it's not 380 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: like you could I mean, I guess unless you're some 381 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 1: sort of end master, maybe you could step back and 382 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 1: you know, dial down your your brain waves there um, 383 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 1: but most likely you know, this is something that you 384 00:19:56,160 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 1: can't necessarily control all right now, when one thinks of 385 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:07,439 Speaker 1: like discuss reactions, especially to smell instantly think of pregnant women. Yeah, 386 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: because I mean that's uh, I mean that that's just 387 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: one of those things. It's like like if anyone who 388 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: has who has been pregnant as a pregnant friend, there's 389 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: the whole thing about like suddenly like it'll be like 390 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 1: something like garlic. We'll totally set some people off and 391 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: they're like they can't even be in the same room 392 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: with somebody who just had breadsticks. It's true. Yeah, you 393 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 1: get very sensitive to it very quickly. Did you find 394 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 1: this to do the case? I did. Yeah, not the 395 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: entire time, but certain times where I was just like, 396 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 1: oh man, and my husband would be like, what what 397 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: are you smelling and be like, I don't know, Like 398 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: thirty yards away, someone just had some bob choy with 399 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: them with some ginger and curry, and the courage just 400 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 1: really very pungent. I thought, you can get the bob 401 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: choy is the culprit because botchoy didn't know smell like anything. Uh, 402 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 1: you know, after it's cooked, that's quite buttery, and it 403 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 1: kind of smells pottery. It does have a butteryodor. But 404 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 1: even things that really weren't offensive, I was just picking 405 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: up on them, and sometimes things that weren't offensive became inoffensive. Um. 406 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 1: But this is because what they found is that pregnant 407 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: women have elevated levels of progesteron. Yeah. Now, this is 408 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: a steroid hormone involved in the female minstrel cycle, pregnancy 409 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: and embryogenesis of humans and other species, so that's why 410 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: the levels are up obviously during pregnancy, yeah, and particularly 411 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: in the first trimester when derailing fetal development is is 412 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: UM usually could occur most often during the first trimester, 413 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,880 Speaker 1: so that's when UM, a woman's censors would be sort 414 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 1: of ferreting out what might be dangerous for her to consume, 415 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 1: like the idea. An easy example this is of course 416 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 1: the cat box. Like anyone, like everyone knows, like pregnant 417 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: ladies don't mess with cat boxes because of the whole 418 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:48,880 Speaker 1: um taxo plasmas. Yeah, um, and of course taxo plasmas. 419 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 1: That's an interesting topic and to itself, which we may 420 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: have to get into another time. But but obviously pregnan 421 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: lady should have avoid the cat box, so it would 422 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: make sense, but with the body would would on some 423 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: of the use the logic of well, she shouldn't go 424 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: near the cat box. So let's make the cat box 425 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: extra stinky just to hinge the bat, you know, just 426 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: to just to make sure. Yeah, and didn't you tell 427 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 1: And I know this is definitely something for another time. 428 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: It's told me an interesting little fact about taxo plasmosis 429 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 1: that the little critters what they do with the cat's 430 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: mind and the urine. Wasn't it something sort of Oh, 431 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: there's a lot of fast. I did some research on 432 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 1: it a year or two back for an Animal Planet 433 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 1: tie in, and there's there's all sorts of crazy research 434 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: on how it alters the behavior of animals, but also 435 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 1: people like making making rats and mice crave the smell 436 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: of cat urine so they'll basically steer the cat, I 437 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 1: mean steer the mouse towards the belly of a cat 438 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: so it can can complete its life cycle and can 439 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: potentially generate or stir up risk taking behavior even in 440 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: human males. It's fast, So I mean, I just that 441 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: brings me back to the podcast that we did about 442 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: Guts Gut Floor and how a lot of our behavior 443 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 1: is dependent on the materia that we have in there. 444 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: But but it's an example just in the whole idea 445 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 1: of like catpe. There's an example of on one hand, 446 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 1: the body making a tinkering with our disgust reactions to 447 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 1: steer one away from the cat urine. And then on 448 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: the other level, you have a parasite hijacking rats natural 449 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: repulsion by that smell and making it move towards it 450 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 1: because the parasite needs the animal to be eaten by 451 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: a cat. It's just amazing that it could that smell 452 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,120 Speaker 1: could just you know, walked off and say, come to me, 453 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: consume me rat. But let's talk a little bit more 454 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: about disgust from a cultural perspective. Yes, so obviously humans 455 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 1: have a way of taking things that are sort of natural, 456 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 1: you know, that are just a natural process of our bodies. 457 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: We we add a couple of layers of reasoning and 458 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: faulty reasoning and cultural norms on top of that, and 459 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: things quickly get out of control. So we end up 460 00:23:56,600 --> 00:24:01,479 Speaker 1: attaching disgust to things that aren't really discussed, um, I mean, 461 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,439 Speaker 1: ends up getting tied up in our politics, even certainly 462 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 1: in our moral views of the world. Yeah, this is 463 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: really interesting. Curtis, the disgust bologist, was talking about a 464 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: survey that she did in different countries to find out 465 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: what people found disgusting in those countries, and she uncovered 466 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: some interesting cultural pec peculiarities. For example, food cooked by 467 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: a menstruating woman was a frequent cause of disgust in 468 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: India against the pathetic magic here, right, Like, Okay, I'm 469 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 1: assuming that it was assumed that if they ate this 470 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: food that was cooked by a menstruating woman, that maybe 471 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: they would their masculinity would be downgraded. I'm not sure, 472 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,880 Speaker 1: or there's maybe just such disgust in that culture with 473 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: that particular um part of the body. I say not 474 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: being in that culture, right, I mean because on one level, yes, 475 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: you would not want someone who is physically ill cooking 476 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,880 Speaker 1: your food for for obvious reasons. So if you if 477 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,400 Speaker 1: end up creating the stallacy that the menstruating woman is unclean, 478 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: and then and then then it makes a twisted kind 479 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 1: of sense that you would not want them cooking for you. 480 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: But again, a twisted kind of sense that emerges from 481 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:15,920 Speaker 1: our our our human complication of all. Yeah yeah, yeah, 482 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,640 Speaker 1: But it's funny because even if someone went to use 483 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,880 Speaker 1: the bathroom and then cooked your food, right, You're still 484 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 1: there's still this idea that you could bring some sort 485 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: of contaminant from that atmosphere, So you know what I'm saying, Like, 486 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,439 Speaker 1: it's I could see how maybe some of this is 487 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: this idea that menstreating women are unclean, but so are 488 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: people who just used the bathroom. Yeah, with the same 489 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: logic there um. But also Curtis uncovered that apparently the 490 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: Dutch thinks that fat people are disgusting too, so it 491 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: just kind of differs in each culture. Well, here's something 492 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: I do find disgusting that kind of falls into this 493 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 1: weird territory, and that is people talking on the phone 494 00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: in the bathroom that I think it's just bad form. 495 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: And if I will say that if someone is doing that, 496 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 1: I will belch it's loudly as I can, because I 497 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: feel like this is some sort of place that a 498 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: retreat that I could actually go and use the bathroom 499 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: and not feel bad about it because it's a path room. 500 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I I'm not going to name any names, 501 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 1: but there was an individual, uh it works for this 502 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: company that was talking on the phone while very audibly 503 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 1: going number two in the men's room, and it was weird, 504 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,880 Speaker 1: like who, like, who are you? Do you either A 505 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 1: are you just sold? Are you a? So confident that 506 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: the other person on the other line is not going 507 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,159 Speaker 1: to hear any of these sounds or be do you 508 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 1: just not care? Like is it not that important of 509 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,239 Speaker 1: a contact. I don't know how I feel about that, 510 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 1: Like do I admire that? Or am I kind of 511 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: slightly disgusted? I mean that is that's got a lot 512 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,640 Speaker 1: of hutzpah, you know, to to sit down and do that. 513 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: And then I mean, how would how do would you 514 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: react if you heard somebody? I mean I think David 515 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: Sedaris had a bit about this, like talking to his 516 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,959 Speaker 1: sister and finding out that she had that she had 517 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: been talking while going to the bath room, and that 518 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: if anyone what she would do is just pretend that 519 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,679 Speaker 1: she was opening a jar. If you had the audibly strange, 520 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: she would just be like, oh, just a second, I've 521 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 1: gotta get this jar, um, And that would he be 522 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: her way of explaining away from it. But but then 523 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: then it also reminds me to keep the comedy uh 524 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 1: train going here. I remember Kids in the Hall skit 525 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: where um you came out that like there was a 526 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 1: you know, all male board meeting and they're going over 527 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: some uh some sort of product reviews or something. And 528 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: they're reading one of these, uh these reviews, and then 529 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 1: one of the one of the individual's notices the like 530 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: a weird smile on the guy who wrote its face, 531 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: and he realizes, oh, did you write this naked? And 532 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 1: then everyone just feels kind of dirty for it, which 533 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,120 Speaker 1: I think is you know, it's a it's a ridiculous 534 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 1: extreme comedy example, but it it does illustrate a lot 535 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: of the complexity of our repulsion uh two things, you know, 536 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 1: because the idea that somebody wrote something naked that's so 537 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: far removed from anything that could potentially I mean, it's 538 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: it's not it doesn't tie into the mating discussed, the 539 00:27:56,280 --> 00:28:00,119 Speaker 1: the moral discussed really well, and certainly not the disease discussed. 540 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,640 Speaker 1: But you could see, like it makes it it makes 541 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 1: enough sense where you could imagine somebody finding it repulsive. Well, 542 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 1: I mean, certainly there are some Victorian ideas about nudity, 543 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: right that could you know, make someone think about it 544 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,719 Speaker 1: would be repulsive by nudity. I mean, certainly Freud had 545 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 1: ideas about sex and the repulsion behind it. Um And 546 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,679 Speaker 1: you know, again there's this idea of illness and disease 547 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: that could be transmitted through sex, so sympathetic magic right, 548 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 1: your naked all of a sudden you write something and 549 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: and and that's going to transfer, uh the clap. I 550 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: will say that in the last year, How Stuff Works 551 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: has relaxed its teleworking program somewhere, so you have more 552 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: people working from home, more people writing from home, and 553 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: invariably more people writing naked. So uh, they're they're they're 554 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: probably more articles and How Stuff Works than ever before 555 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:59,479 Speaker 1: written by naked people. And it's uh it Fortunately, like 556 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: I said, now that will actually come. I'm just thinking 557 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: about everybody on their smartphones right now who are looking 558 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: up related articles and now feeling maybe a little bit dirty. Yeah, 559 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: I wonder how many of our listeners are naked right now. 560 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 1: You don't have to tell you, but but I mean 561 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: some of them are going to sleep. Some people sleep naked. 562 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: It's just how good it's true they do. Um Okay, 563 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: so so yeah, we kind of got off fisodic there. 564 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 1: It is cultural though, um. And although some people say 565 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: that we have this encoded hardwired in us right to 566 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 1: ferret out disgusted and it's to our advantage to do so. 567 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 1: But Paul Rosen, he's a psychologist, um, who's at the 568 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 1: University of Pennsylvania, and he's considered a pioneer of modern 569 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: disgusted research. Carried out his own survey on things people 570 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: found disgusting and discovered that causes of death rated the 571 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 1: highest amongst his North American subjects. Really, like, even things 572 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 1: like a sword would be disgusting because the sword is 573 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 1: like the least disgusting thing. Yeah, well, I mean it 574 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: can be. I mean, could have little bits of brain 575 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: hanging off of it. Well, even that's more awesome than disgusting. Yeah, 576 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 1: I agree, But I think he means that they're probably 577 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,719 Speaker 1: instances of disgust that could lead to death, right as 578 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 1: opposed to just being like, you know, stepping back and 579 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: being for a moment out of joint about it. And 580 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 1: he says that anything that reminds us we are animals 581 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: elicits disgusted discussed functions like a defense mechanism to keep 582 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: human animal nous out of awareness. Okay, so things like 583 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: versus the cloak about that we know and love. Yes, Like, 584 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 1: the thing that makes that art installation brilliant is that 585 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 1: it does kind of force you to think about your 586 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: own biological functions and what that means. Yeah, and just 587 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: to refresh everybody's memory. This is the clerk about that. Um, 588 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 1: I can't remember them, yeah maybe yeah, something along this line. Okay, 589 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: so this is the artist, and he had the cloak 590 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: about and he had during the installation a chef feed 591 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: the bot three times a day and then he would add, um, 592 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: certain little chemicals that would mimic togestion. It would like 593 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: travel through like I think six different tanks and then 594 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: come out the other end onto a little conveyor belt 595 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: and it would be stone cole pooh. Yeah. So again 596 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 1: you're talking about the disgusted element there. And one of 597 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: the articles we read said that the little girls seeing 598 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 1: this contraption and this really sterile environment, started crying. So um, 599 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,479 Speaker 1: you know we again, we all have different reactions to this. 600 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: All right, well, let's call over our sterile, totally non 601 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: disgusting robot to bring us some hygienic mail to Yeah, 602 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: we do not feed that robot three times a day 603 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: and then give it chemicals to pretend like it's going 604 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 1: to do it's thing. Just for the record, well, here's 605 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 1: when I here's when we heard. I heard from a 606 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 1: listener by the name of Stephen. Stephen writes in and 607 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: you know. I'm not even sure which podcast keeps responding 608 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: to because it was kind of a tangent I think, 609 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 1: but it says that I was actually in your my 610 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 1: computers right up when I finally cut up with some 611 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: older back episodes, I didn't have time to listen to 612 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: Thai Red Bull is terrifying. I did a study abroad 613 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 1: in chang Mine two thousand one, and after a couple 614 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 1: of guys got back from Christmas vacation in the Islands, 615 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 1: they introduced us to a truly horrific cocktail in a 616 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: picture of ice at one bottle of Makong whiskey, uh, 617 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: two cans of coke, and two bottles of Thai Red Bull. 618 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: I usually stuck to beer, but it was a recipe 619 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: for disaster for my compatriots. Tons of energy and way 620 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: too few inhibitions. Not to mention the rumors that Makong 621 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: whiskey is not fit for sale in the US for 622 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 1: human consumption due to a number of questionable added its. Huh, 623 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 1: I did not know that I had some Makeong whiskey 624 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: when you did. If you're not drinking beer in Thailand 625 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: like the other big drink, it's like a coke, Uh. 626 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: Like a like a whiskey and coke kind of a thing. Uh, 627 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 1: and like some of the like I remember reading, um, 628 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: like in some bars, you you go to the bar 629 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: with your whiskey bottle and they serve you coke and 630 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 1: ice and a little Seltzer water in it, and but 631 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 1: you could use your own whiskey. I guess there's like 632 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: a quorking. I can't remember the detail on that. Um. 633 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 1: And then sometimes if you don't drink at all, they 634 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 1: will keep it for you and you come back that 635 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: they'll put your name on you come back and you 636 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: get it the next night. So so it's like, I'm 637 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 1: not a beer drinker, and that's like it was a 638 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 1: real tie drink. So I was like, I should probably 639 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: have that one over there. I didn't know that it 640 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 1: might have had questionable added it is that could be 641 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 1: doing who knows what. Anyway, Stephen continues, you can occasionally 642 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: find those little glass bottles of rocket fuel in Southeast 643 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 1: Asian grocery stores. I've had the the red Bull cans 644 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: in China, and I can honestly say I'm not sure 645 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 1: which is worse. Um, there's enough caffeine to completely shut 646 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: off a migraine. But I wouldn't be surprised if it 647 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 1: also causes heart problems. Anyway, great job, always always on 648 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 1: the podcast, and I think, um, I should be all 649 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 1: caught up after this very slow kay at work. So 650 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 1: all right, yeah, I believe I put out a call 651 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: like as anyone else had an experience with tie red bull, 652 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 1: because when I had one in Thailand, it was it 653 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: was like crazy stimulated. We've heard from a few people 654 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: in the um. Consensus seems to be that it's diabolical. 655 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 1: And then we have another quick one here. This is 656 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 1: from a listener by the name of Stevie. Stevie right, 657 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:11,839 Speaker 1: Tennis says, Hey, guys, it just I was just listening 658 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,720 Speaker 1: to your neo evolution podcast where the INU made reference 659 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: to the nine nine nine Candles podcast, and it got 660 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 1: me thinking, if we did genetically mutate ourselves or have 661 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 1: the ability to replace parts over the years so we 662 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,879 Speaker 1: could live this long, do you think women would have 663 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 1: the reproductive capability so last longer than fifty years until 664 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,759 Speaker 1: they reached menopads. Just a thought on all of this. 665 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,439 Speaker 1: I mean, if we replaced our reproductive organs over the years, 666 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 1: not for those eggs would end up being our own, 667 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 1: maybe a genetically engineered version. But how would this affect 668 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,719 Speaker 1: the offspring we have with them in the future. I 669 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 1: thought this was something good to chew on. Keep on 670 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,840 Speaker 1: casting your pods have the show cool. Yeah, that's an 671 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,880 Speaker 1: interesting proposition, and certainly I would think that on the 672 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 1: horizon would be something like a uterine replicator. Yeah. I mean, 673 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 1: it's like, uh from the a pretty gray, the bearded one, 674 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 1: the beard one, like the point out, it's like a car, 675 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 1: the human body of all these parts they wear down, 676 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 1: either due to use or abuse, and the idea is 677 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: to better maintain the vehicle, which at times might need 678 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 1: replacing thoughts, right, And it also may mean that procreation 679 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 1: gets moved to the lab in some instances. So, um, 680 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 1: that's wed for a thought for another podcast, I believe. Yeah. 681 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 1: In fact, maybe when we're gonna record next we kind 682 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 1: of touch on it, I think, and the one next 683 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,360 Speaker 1: Um well, hey, anyway, Stevie, thanks for the thoughts. I 684 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 1: love it when people take topics we bring up in 685 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,800 Speaker 1: one podcast and combine them with another and start mixing 686 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 1: it together. I mean, that's what the whole podcast is 687 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,719 Speaker 1: really about about, you know, stirring up the old mind. 688 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:49,760 Speaker 1: Juices and h seeing what pops at the surface, taking 689 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 1: them in your head because otherwise the juices we'll keep 690 00:35:54,960 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 1: express them, express them through the mighty pen. 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