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Speaker 1: Alright. The official pod is presented by win Bet. Betting

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Speaker 1: now by Steve Pelozolo, the head of Football product and

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Speaker 1: co host of the Pro Football Focus NFL podcast. You

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Speaker 1: are very busy, man, Let's dive into some Jets talk

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Speaker 1: here super Bowl week. I know you're not gonna be

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Speaker 1: talking too much about the Jets, but what did you

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Speaker 1: think about the jets defenses turnaround this year? Going from

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Speaker 1: basically every very important category. Yeah, I mean, I thought

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Speaker 1: it was just the way the team building process has

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Speaker 1: gone over the last couple of years. It just it

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Speaker 1: kind of made sense that they did make this leap forward.

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Speaker 1: I think one of the biggest moves. I know, Sauce

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Speaker 1: Gardner got a ton of credit and all that stuff,

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Speaker 1: but from a process standpoint, they picked him at number four. Overall,

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Speaker 1: that doesn't always happen, right, Like we know before the draft,

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Speaker 1: we Jets fans yelling at us when we mocked a corner,

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Speaker 1: you know, you know, mock drafts go and they were like, no,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna build in the trenches, They're gonna get another edge.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna get Jermaine Johnson and all this stuff, and

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Speaker 1: the fact that they took Sauce Gardener, I think that

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Speaker 1: was the reason, right. I mean, they had done a

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Speaker 1: good job of bringing in Carl Lawson the previous year,

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Speaker 1: even though he got hurt. They had done a good

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Speaker 1: job of adding in the trenches. But at PFF we

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Speaker 1: see a lot of numbers that say, look, you want

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Speaker 1: to have a good defensive line, but if you build

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Speaker 1: from back to front, if you build in that secondary,

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Speaker 1: that's when you take the big leap. And Sauce Gardener

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Speaker 1: a huge part. Adding in DJ Reid, you know, I

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Speaker 1: think they systematically built that defense, and they didn't neglect

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Speaker 1: corner over the last couple of years, but they didn't

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Speaker 1: got to corner right, they got the draft pick and Sauce,

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Speaker 1: big step was. Health up front. Of course, Quentinnin Williams

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Speaker 1: taking that next step forward, so it made sense to me.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't predicting it necessarily, but the way the team

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Speaker 1: had been built, it makes sense that they took that

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Speaker 1: big leap as a defense, Do you think the defense

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Speaker 1: now has staying power the way it is currently constructed?

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Speaker 1: Three Pro bowlers at every level? You Quinnon Williams, c J. Molesley,

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Speaker 1: they forementioned Sauce Gardener, and then what's the next step

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Speaker 1: staying power for defense is a challenge just in football

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Speaker 1: failed predictions in past years, it's when you always predict

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Speaker 1: not something we say, hey, we're gonna be top five perennially.

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Speaker 1: Not many teams actually do that. Um. But they have that.

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Speaker 1: They do have the pieces though, and it starts in

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Speaker 1: that secondary. I love, uh, the pieces that they do

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Speaker 1: marrying past rush and coverage, right, I mean, those those

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Speaker 1: interesting looking back at the Gardener selection because I think

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Speaker 1: Let's let's go right, let's uh, let's get that next

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Speaker 1: of Rogers obviously the connection there with Nathaniel Hackett, but

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Speaker 1: But I do think Garoppolo and Derek Carr makes sense

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Speaker 1: Let's get out of here with this. What do you

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Speaker 1: think about the FC East moving forward? The Bills have

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Speaker 1: they get one of those three, they would have been

425
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Speaker 1: the playoffs this year. Yeah, that's kind of what in

426
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Speaker 1: my mind is like, Okay, would they have won ten

427
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Speaker 1: games with one of those three? Yeah? I think so.

428
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Speaker 1: I think you can find three games that they would

429
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Speaker 1: have won, so that that's that's what you gotta do.

430
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Speaker 1: Now you got you gotta make the playoffs. So those

431
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Speaker 1: are the guys to me, and then there's a drop

432
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Speaker 1: off after them. Are you gonna get any sleepless off season? No?

433
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Speaker 1: I won't. You know, it's uh always about the quarterback. Yea,

434
00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:03,600
Speaker 1: it's it's unbelievable. Yeah, they keep drafting them all right,

435
00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:05,520
Speaker 1: Well we've got five years and you know, no no

436
00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:09,320
Speaker 1: quarterback questions that it never happens. Yeah, what do you

437
00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:13,680
Speaker 1: think it's gonna happen? With Mike White? Both him and explaining, Yeah,

438
00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:17,639
Speaker 1: I think they'll probably move he did. I think White

439
00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:21,880
Speaker 1: is a quality, quality backup right, and people react negatively

440
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Speaker 1: when I say that. I think that's what he is,

441
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Speaker 1: and I think he can make a lot of money

442
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Speaker 1: in the NFL being that guy. Do you see him

443
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Speaker 1: competing for a job make here? Do you think? No?

444
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Speaker 1: I think somebody will sign him as the high number two. Um,

445
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Speaker 1: you know, and I think he'll have his I think

446
00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,080
Speaker 1: he'll us pick a situation, and he probably pick a

447
00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:39,320
Speaker 1: good situation from where maybe the quarterback isn't firmly entrenched.

448
00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,240
Speaker 1: I just with Zach's presence. You know, they've been emphatic

449
00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,240
Speaker 1: that Zack is going to be on the Jets this year.

450
00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:47,960
Speaker 1: I just don't see where White fits in, right. If

451
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Speaker 1: they're gonna sign the veteran free agent or trade to

452
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Speaker 1: be the starter Zak is there, why would White want

453
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Speaker 1: to be coming into that situation where there's three, you know,

454
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Speaker 1: and now he's gonna be the third guy or part

455
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Speaker 1: of three. Um, I think he'd probably end up somewhere else.

456
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Speaker 1: But you know, I it stinks. I like talking to

457
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:06,720
Speaker 1: Mike White and locker room. I thought he did some

458
00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:08,280
Speaker 1: really good things. I thought he had a chance at

459
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:09,880
Speaker 1: the end of the year to kind of win the job.

460
00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:14,119
Speaker 1: But the broken ribs just changed everything. I know, I

461
00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,600
Speaker 1: think what could have been going back to Minnesota. I

462
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Speaker 1: didn't I didn't think that game was gonna haunt him,

463
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Speaker 1: to be honest with you, when we left there, I

464
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Speaker 1: really didn't know. Yeah, why would you that was the beginning,

465
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Speaker 1: you know, Chris. Chris haunts haunted, yea, Christmas haunted from

466
00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,919
Speaker 1: that one. I did think that, Okay, he lost an

467
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:36,040
Speaker 1: opportunity there, you're seven and five. It's that's the one.

468
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:39,639
Speaker 1: Now talking to people in the Jets front office and

469
00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,680
Speaker 1: coaching down stuff. When you talk to them for a while,

470
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Speaker 1: they just started to go Minnesota and they just you

471
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Speaker 1: see the fun because that was that. In hindsight, now

472
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,399
Speaker 1: there's that one and Detroit are really the ones that

473
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,960
Speaker 1: were like, okay, they could have easily won those games

474
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Speaker 1: and didn't, you know, because the other you know, I

475
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Speaker 1: thought the Buffalo game up there, they were close, but

476
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Speaker 1: I thought Buffalo beat them and Jacksonville beat them, and

477
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Speaker 1: then the end was the end, you know, Seattle a

478
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 1: they were playing with a bunch of injer guys. So

479
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 1: after quarterback and then so here's here's the good news,

480
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 1: right is it's hard to figure out after that what

481
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Speaker 1: it is. And I've made this joke many years and yeah,

482
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,199
Speaker 1: I made this joke many years in a row that

483
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Speaker 1: going in the off season. I've always said to Noah's Ark,

484
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,359
Speaker 1: offseason for Joe Douglas needs two of everything. It's not

485
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 1: the case anymore. He really he's really done a good

486
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Speaker 1: job or the last two years of filling the needs.

487
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Speaker 1: So I think it's depth now. Um, you know, I

488
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 1: think that they'll they'll continue to add on the defensive

489
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Speaker 1: line and they'll always do that. Linebackers a little bit

490
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Speaker 1: of question, right is Quincy? Do they I think they

491
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Speaker 1: want to resign Quincy? Does Quincy have a big market?

492
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Speaker 1: That some of the talking mobile was that he will

493
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Speaker 1: have a big market. So you think there's a chance

494
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Speaker 1: they could get done prior to or you think he

495
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 1: did test the market. I think they could get it done. Yeah, Yeah,

496
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Speaker 1: it depends on I guess it depends on what the

497
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Speaker 1: Jeff's offers. I mean, you know, I think he probably

498
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Speaker 1: wants to be back. He seemed to enjoy himself and

499
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Speaker 1: all the indicases where he wanted to be back, and

500
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Speaker 1: you know with his brother. So I think they could

501
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Speaker 1: get done. But linebacker to music question CJ. Uh, CJ

502
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Speaker 1: is not going anywhere now. But CJ is not gonna

503
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Speaker 1: be here for a whole long time, so they got

504
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Speaker 1: to start thinking about that. Did they add something add

505
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:21,400
Speaker 1: some more the linebacker room? Safety? I don't know what

506
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,199
Speaker 1: LaMarcus Is future is. Uh, do they you know, I

507
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Speaker 1: could see them maybe drafting a safety U to fill

508
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Speaker 1: that role, so I but they're not the the the

509
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Speaker 1: big holes are quarterback on the line. And I also

510
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Speaker 1: receive her depth because I don't know if Corey Davis

511
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Speaker 1: will be back. Um so, but it's really more now

512
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 1: about depth and building those positions out, which is light

513
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Speaker 1: thanks for having me. Hey, so let's talk a little

532
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Speaker 1: Jets football. Sauce Gardner impressive for a rookie, but also

533
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Speaker 1: you guys had him graded top cornerback overall anybody in

534
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Speaker 1: the National Football League. Yeah, I mean, wrestler for a rookie,

535
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: like doesn't come close to doing it. Justice. Cornerback, I

536
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 1: think is one of the hardest, if not the hardest

537
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Speaker 1: position to come in and be really good right away.

538
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Speaker 1: At most corners struggle year one. They give up a ton,

539
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Speaker 1: they give up touchdowns, they get beat. Sauce Gardner didn't.

540
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Speaker 1: I mean from day one, he looked absolutely at home

541
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Speaker 1: as one of the best corners in the league. And

542
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 1: it just kept going. You know, after the first few

543
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 1: weeks you were sort of asking, is this guy one

544
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Speaker 1: of the top corners in the league already? And it

545
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: was like, you know, it's a month, let's let's chill,

546
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,399
Speaker 1: let's let's give it a little bit. But it just

547
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: never stopped. Over the course of the entire season. He

548
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 1: kept going and if anything was getting better as the

549
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 1: year war on. He put himself in that sort of

550
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Speaker 1: Richard Sherman Brackett where it was pointless even testing him

551
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,919
Speaker 1: deep because he's got such a huge wingspan and like

552
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 1: the the location on the ball you need to get

553
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: it in over. His coverage deep down the field is crazy. Um.

554
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: He gave up one touchdown all season long, and it

555
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: was like a miscommunication the secondary. It wasn't like him

556
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Speaker 1: getting beat, like he'll just you get that touchdown and

557
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 1: you can see why, you know what I mean. But

558
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,719
Speaker 1: we have it on him. So I mean, that's as

559
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Speaker 1: good a rookie season as you're gonna see, and and

560
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Speaker 1: it is as good as any corner in the league

561
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Speaker 1: right now. What was your expectation for him coming out

562
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Speaker 1: at Cincinnati before he's drafted number four overall. I liked

563
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 1: him as a prospect. I think you know him. And

564
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Speaker 1: Derek Stingley was an interesting to the conversation which guy

565
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Speaker 1: do you prefer at the top. And Stingley had that

566
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Speaker 1: incredible freshman season at l s U and then sort

567
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: of tailed off and wasn't the same guy between injuries

568
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 1: and and everything else, and then Gardner was the guy

569
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Speaker 1: with this incredible college resume, but it was at the

570
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Speaker 1: University of Cincinnati, and you sort of saying, well, you know,

571
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Speaker 1: could he do it if he was in the SEC

572
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Speaker 1: going up against the likes of the players that Derek

573
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Speaker 1: Stingley was covering every single week, and sort of every

574
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Speaker 1: step of the way, he like answered the call, whether

575
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Speaker 1: it was with against Alabama in the playoffs, whether it

576
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Speaker 1: was then running a four four to sort of um

577
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Speaker 1: convinced everybody he was. He was quick and not as

578
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Speaker 1: um slow as sometimes the tape looked. You know, he's

579
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Speaker 1: gotta sort of I think slightly unusual body type, which

580
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Speaker 1: maybe makes his tape look a little strange in terms

581
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,199
Speaker 1: of outright speed. But every step of the way he

582
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: was answering those questions and looking really good, and I

583
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 1: thought he'd be a good corner pretty quickly. I like,

584
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Speaker 1: I actually think he's a better um zone corner than

585
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: he is in pressed man. Let's again with the body type.

586
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: That's the way he's described like this big, long, physical corner,

587
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: you know, a press man type of specialist. But I

588
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 1: actually think he has a better feel for zone coverage

589
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: and the instinct of you know, what routes are going

590
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: to be attacking his zone, where the threats are coming from,

591
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: where to maneuver to sort of squeeze throwing lanes and

592
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Speaker 1: all that kind of thing. And that's the kind of

593
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Speaker 1: thing I think that does translate quickly, like if you

594
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 1: already have a good feel for that stuff coming out,

595
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: I think he'll probably be a good NFL player pretty quickly.

596
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: But even so hugely surprised from you know, maybe this

597
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: guy pretty good right away too, Like he's as good

598
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: as anybody right now. The book on him coming out was, Yeah,

599
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,719
Speaker 1: he's gonna excel in man press. He can get after receivers,

600
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: he's a long uh, he is good at the line.

601
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Speaker 1: But with that being said, how much did you see

602
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: him in zone at Cincinnati? And then what did the

603
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Speaker 1: Jets do with him early in the season, and then

604
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 1: once they started to see what he can do, what

605
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,239
Speaker 1: his skill set translated to the National Football League? How

606
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 1: did they expand the Solce gardener Um skill set? Yeah,

607
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the good thing for the Jets

608
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: is it isn't just one guy. You know, They've got

609
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Speaker 1: DJ Read on the other side who had a great

610
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 1: season himself. Um, and that that's what gives you strength,

611
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 1: like the ability to be able to move guys around,

612
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: the ability to be able to rely on both sides

613
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Speaker 1: of the defense and not have to, you know, try

614
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Speaker 1: and get your best coverage guy lined up with their

615
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Speaker 1: best receiver or sort of figure out how to stop

616
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Speaker 1: opposing offense is just not targeting him anymore, you know.

617
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Speaker 1: That I think is where the Jets have real strength,

618
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: is that they can do whatever they want with those

619
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Speaker 1: two guys, Like they're capable of moving around, they're both

620
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Speaker 1: capable of holding up there into the bargain against the

621
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Speaker 1: lead playmakers. I think that's one of the reasons, like

622
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: he's going to continue to be good because teams can't

623
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Speaker 1: just say, forget it, we're not going to target him anymore.

624
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: We're gonna go somewhere else with the football. Um. I

625
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: think that was always the strength of Durrell Revas. You know,

626
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: when they moved him around and they used him to

627
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: track receivers even into the slot, they basically forced you

628
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: to keep targeting Durell Revs. There's no option to stop

629
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Speaker 1: targeting him unless you were willing to just sacrifice your

630
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: best receiver in that game and say no We're not

631
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: going to throw the ball to Andre Johnson today like

632
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: which is not. No offense is going to do that.

633
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: So being able to force an offense to keep targeting

634
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: your best cover guys, I think is a huge asset

635
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: for a defense. I think the Jets are able to

636
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 1: do that because of how they can use both those

637
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Speaker 1: two guys. Were you surprised at all by reads success,

638
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: because if you look back in Seattle, you guys say

639
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: good grades on DJ Yeah before he signed here in

640
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: free agency. Now he looks like one of the best

641
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: bargains we saw less spring, and I think a big

642
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: part of that is because Sauce was really good as well.

643
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: Like so much of wenterback play I think is dependent

644
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: on what else is in the defense, and I think

645
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: James Bradbury for the Eagles in the Super Bowl is

646
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: a good example of that. Right when he had to

647
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: be the number one guy for the Giants, it was

648
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: a struggle because he was targeted. He was going up

649
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: against those elite receivers. With the Eagles, he can be

650
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: more of a number two or a complimentary piece to

651
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: Darius Slay. On the other side, they have a better

652
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: pass rush up front that's going to impact the coverage

653
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: play as well, and all of a sudden, you see,

654
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: you know, Bradbury is capable of playing like one of

655
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: the better corners in the NFL in that sort of situation.

656
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: So I think DJ Reid is a good corner. I

657
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: think he's another guy where he got a little bit

658
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: unfairly miscast early in his career because of size, because

659
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: a body type. Right, you look at him, he say

660
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: he's a slot for he's a safety, right, we can't

661
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: hang up. He can't hold up on the outside against

662
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: six ft four wide receivers. He just doesn't have that

663
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: size and ability. But he does like he's actually at

664
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Speaker 1: his best doing that. And it's another example where I

665
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: think sometimes you gotta look at what these guys did

666
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: in college and trust that they're gonna be able to

667
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: do it at the next level like they didn't. You know,

668
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: there's a much tighter correlation between projecting players at the

669
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: college level to the NFL level if they're doing the

670
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: same thing. And particularly I think slot corners get this

671
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: a lot where you know smaller guys, you say, well,

672
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a slot at the next level, he's

673
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: too small. Um, But if he didn't do it in college.

674
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: It's a big gamble to think that he can just

675
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: move inside and play that role just because he's small

676
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: or because he's got movement skills there. Yeah, and the

677
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: guys that do really well at the NFL level are

678
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: generally speaking, the guys that did it in college, and

679
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: we already know that they can cover the slot to

680
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: a really high level. So I think once the Seahawks

681
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: realized that they had a guy that could play on

682
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: the outside, he he showed what a good player he

683
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: was and the Jets just reaped the benefits of that.

684
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Speaker 1: We're talking about Garrett Wilson before he's actually on hand

685
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: here in Phoenix, Arizona. What did you think about his

686
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: year considering the Jets instability as the quarterback positions for us. Yeah,

687
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: I mean, when you consider what he was dealing with

688
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: in terms of order back situation, I think he had

689
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: an incredible year At one point most of the way

690
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: through the season. If you kind of took away the

691
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson games and just looked at his numbers when

692
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: it was Flacco or Mike White throwing in the ball,

693
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: kind of extrapolated that add to a full season. He

694
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: was having a Jamaar Chase kind of year, Like those

695
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: are the sorts of numbers he was putting up um

696
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: and he's just good at everything. I mean, he was

697
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: my favorite receiver in that year's draft class. I thought

698
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: he was the number one guy. Reminded me quite a

699
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: lot of Stefon Diggs in terms of maybe playing a

700
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: little bit bigger than his size and just being very

701
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: good at everything across the board. I think he led

702
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,479
Speaker 1: all wide receivers and broken tackles, and since you got

703
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: the ball in his hands, he was making things happen

704
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: and making special plays. Just a really, really capable receiver

705
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: across the board. It's interesting that you say Digs because

706
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: early on when you started to see his ascension, like,

707
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: he does have similar qualities, but he might even be

708
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: better in the open fields as far as oh yeah, yeah,

709
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: with the ball in his hands, I think he but

710
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: even that, I think that's something that Diggs did more

711
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: earlier in his career as well. Like the Vikings when

712
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: he was playing for them, they would get the ball

713
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: in his hands on a lot of like receiver screens

714
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: and that kind of thing, and he was very good

715
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Speaker 1: after the catch, certainty when it was you know, Diggs

716
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: and feeling as that kind of one to punch Um

717
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: like Diggs was the guy that was doing the run

718
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: after the catch stuff and a lot of the quick

719
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: bubble screens and that kind of thing. So I think

720
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: they do have a lot of similarities. But I mean

721
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: that's only obviously a good thing for for Wilson Quinn

722
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: and Williams. What do you think about his breakout campaign

723
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: and the guy became one of the top interior players

724
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: in all football. He really did. And there was a

725
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: bunch of those interior guys that all kind of broke

726
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: out this year, whether it was Quinn and Williams, de

727
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: Extra Lawrence, Um, you know, Christian Wilkins, all sorts of

728
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: young interior guys had dominant seasons. And I think Williams

729
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: was well on his way to a Defensive Player of

730
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: the Year kind of season. Maybe he wasn't quite the

731
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: same guy once he got hurt and came back, never

732
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: I think quite got back to where he was, But

733
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Speaker 1: I mean he showed the ability to absolutely take over

734
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: games and dominate up front, and it's kind of a

735
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: similar career arc for him that it was in college.

736
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Speaker 1: He took a little bit of time to get going

737
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: at Alabama and then that final season before he was

738
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: drafted was as good as certainly anybody in the nation

739
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: that year and arguably as good as anybody we've seen since.

740
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 1: PFF has been great in college. He's still a young

741
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: guy too, Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and a couple of years

742
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: under his belt now, and he continues to get better

743
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: and better. People are mentioned him amongst the likes of

744
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: Chris Jones, Fletcher Cox, Aaron Donald. What do you think

745
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 1: I mean this season, I think he absolutely showed he

746
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: can play at that kind of level. And again, same

747
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: thing at Alabama. It took a little bit of time

748
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: to get going, but once he was there, once he

749
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,760
Speaker 1: should have hit that stride. He was unblockable in college,

750
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: and I think we're seeing that at the NFL level.

751
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,919
Speaker 1: If he gets back and picks up next year where

752
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: he left off this year and doesn't get the injury,

753
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: I mean, we're talking about a guy who can go

754
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: toe to toe with Chris Jones. Jets are committed to

755
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: finding a veteran quarterback here this spring. When you look

756
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: at what potentially is out there who would be a

757
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 1: good fit in near us, I mean, you have to

758
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 1: love what Aaron Rodgers would look like in this offense.

759
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: I thought, weirdly, Tom Brady made a lot of sense

760
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: before he retired. Yeah, I mean the Jets, to me,

761
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: are the best situation out there for a quarterback who

762
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: wants to step into a team that can win tomorrow.

763
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: You know a team if you're a Tom Brady or

764
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: an Aaron Rodgers or whoever it is, and you're saying,

765
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 1: who can get me a Super Bowl before I hang

766
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: them up? The Jets are that team. I mean, they

767
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 1: should have made the playoffs this year despite the quarterback

768
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: situation that they did have, and the upgrade from anybody

769
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,879
Speaker 1: that was throwing the ball this year to an Aaron

770
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: Rodgers or Tom Brady would be massive. And obviously, you

771
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: know Rogers is going to come with the complicating factor

772
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 1: of whatever you need to give up in a trade.

773
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean this this team is ready to

774
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 1: win it. The defense is incredible. I think the skill

775
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: position players are really good. The offensive line should be

776
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 1: a lot better than it was last year because you

777
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: have to assume they're not going to be as badly

778
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: hit with injuries going forward. Um, and even if you

779
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: have to give up something in trade, I think it's

780
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 1: probably worth it. So beyond Rogers, where would you be looking? Well,

781
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 1: the question then becomes, you know, how much do you

782
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: value baseline of solidity? You know, how much is a

783
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: Derek Carr worth you because you know he'll be okay,

784
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: he'll be good, he'll be average, right um, And I

785
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: think again, that's an interesting decision because it's not gonna

786
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: be the same answer for every team in the NFL.

787
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: But for a team like the Jets, who just needs

788
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 1: to know that they have a guy that's not going

789
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: to drag the thing down, I think that's probably valuable

790
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: to them. Like a Derek car could come in and

791
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: you have a pretty high degree of certainty that he

792
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: will give you at least average NFL starting play, which

793
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: will make the Jets a good team. Their problem is

794
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: in this division that's still a tough spot because Buffalo

795
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: is not going anywhere. With Josh Allen, Miami looked incredible

796
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 1: until two I was dealing with all of his concussions.

797
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: The Patriots, for whatever they're going through, are never gonna

798
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,399
Speaker 1: suck over the course of a year, and with Bill

799
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: O'Brien coming in, the offense will probably be better next year.

800
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: So the Jets kind of have to look at this

801
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: and say, I mean, an average quarterback is definitely an

802
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: upgrade over a year ago, but is it enough to

803
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: take the division from the Bills. Isn't enough to you know,

804
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: go toe to toe with what Miami can do with

805
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill on that offense. That's the only question mark

806
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: for them. After quarterback, where would you stress priorities for

807
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: this team throughout the off season. I think they probably

808
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: need to attack that offensive line still. And even if

809
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: you're you're gonna get guys back and healthy, I think

810
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: that we just saw too many weaknesses this season. Offensive

811
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: line is is a spot now in the NFL where

812
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 1: you need depth and you need contingency because most teams

813
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: are gonna start missing offensive lineman for various parts of

814
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: the season. That The Dolphins are a great example, right

815
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: they go and bring in to Run Armstead at left tackle.

816
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: Made a huge difference to that team, massive upgrade. But

817
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: to Run Armstead is always gonna miss time. He's got

818
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: like a pretty lengthy injury history and his the chances

819
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: are you're gonna get seventy cent of the season from Armstead,

820
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: So you need a backup, You need a contingency plan

821
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,439
Speaker 1: for the three four or five games he's not gonna

822
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: be playing. So I think the Jets need to keep

823
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: adding bodies to that offensive Nine different offensive line combinations, right,

824
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: it's just huge and obviously you don't expect to have

825
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: that kind of volume next year, but you need to

826
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 1: be able to go to the six guy and say,

827
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: you know, your swing tackle need to be able to

828
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: come in play and not ruin the game plan over

829
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: that time. So I think they can keep adding bodies

830
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: to that line and make sure that whoever the quarterback

831
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: is next year has the best chance possible. Elijah Barra Tucker, Yeah,

832
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: where are you? Where you with him? I mean his

833
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: versatility off the charts last year in seven games. He

834
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: hopefully he comes back. Absolutely. I really like what he

835
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: can be going forward. I think they need to settle

836
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 1: on a position for him and give him a shot

837
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 1: to just learn one spot, lock it in and be

838
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: a plus player for them. But I think he's shown

839
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: in flashes at all positions he played actually that he

840
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: can be a real guy at the next level. Well,

841
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:51,720
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a fascinating offseason for always is Sam's

842
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: mkilling it Pro Football focus since around two thousand and eight,

843
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 1: when when you guys started. So we appreciate you coming

844
00:38:58,320 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 1: by today, no problem. Thanks for having me