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Speaker 1: Problem solved? Is it put? Is it put? Oh my goodness,

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Speaker 1: tuckdown Tyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces? All

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Speaker 1: that was nasty right there? Rights the latest news and

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Speaker 1: notes from the guys who cover the teams. Rilled by Simmons.

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Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons is bawling, Bring it on, Bring it on.

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Speaker 1: Slam the ground by Fota Baker Like a torpedo. He

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Speaker 1: came flying into the backfield. I ain't scared, and nobody.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvc. You know we're gathered here today together today,

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Speaker 1: not as much as people ready to podcast, I figure,

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Speaker 1: but more as a support group. Are you with me

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Speaker 1: on this? Leaning on each other right now and this

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Speaker 1: time of great need? Right in fact, if it wasn't

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Speaker 1: for the strict COVID protocols. I'd say we could all

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Speaker 1: reach out and join hands in this moment. Is as

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Speaker 1: we remember the two twenty one season cut down way

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Speaker 1: too soon, you could say, in the prime of its postseason,

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Speaker 1: snuffed out. Just I'm gonna start tearing up. Well, I mean,

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Speaker 1: the emotions are still raw, Darren Urban. You know at

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Speaker 1: some point we might we might get to a celebration

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Speaker 1: of life in this edition of Cardinals Underground, brought to

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Speaker 1: you by Pacific Office Automation. Right off the top, you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't mind saying these seven letter F word funeral.

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Speaker 1: This is a stinking funeral. Off the top, Paul Calvec

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Speaker 1: Darren Urban and representing the eighteen to thirty four demo,

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Speaker 1: our own Danny Serek, who has his own her arms

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Speaker 1: up in the air right now. At least there's celebration

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Speaker 1: of some sort as Danny is celebrating her first ever appearance.

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Speaker 1: You're on Cardinals under Personal Victories, Paul, you go all

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Speaker 1: our best to fleep a Corral Junior. I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: if he's under the weather or he's just you sure

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Speaker 1: you sure he just wasn't He's definitely under the weather.

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Speaker 1: We're not sure what that means these days, you're sure

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Speaker 1: he wasn't ready for the moment, because maybe maybe like

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Speaker 1: the rest of the Cardinals on Monday Night against the Rams,

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Speaker 1: maybe he's just not ready for this moment at this

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Speaker 1: pointing right now. Yeah, that's what you're exactly exactly. I

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Speaker 1: can see that, Danny. What are the emotions on your

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Speaker 1: end of this broadcast table? What are you experiencing right now?

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Speaker 1: Let's let's let's channel what your emotions are and then

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Speaker 1: and then we'll go from there as we launch into

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Speaker 1: at some point, we need a starting point here. What

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Speaker 1: of the season. I guess just for some reason, everything

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Speaker 1: being magnified in the playoffs, and the leadership that they had,

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Speaker 1: Like I really thought this team was going to show

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Speaker 1: was just so shocked by how everything went down Monday night,

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Speaker 1: And then I think when you kind of sit on

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's the best I honestly had convinced myself that

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Speaker 1: because anything any other brahmer do you want to use

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Speaker 1: asking why Cole McCoy wasn't playing quarterback. Yes, I saw

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Speaker 1: out in your first four possessions, you go three and out,

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Speaker 1: halftime walking out of the locker room, Lisassaulters and yours

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Speaker 1: And then number two, there's no twenty one point play.

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Speaker 1: You got to treat this like a zero zero game.

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Speaker 1: What was the first thing to happen when you got

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Speaker 1: down ten nothing, fourteen nothing. The defense lost trust in

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Speaker 1: you know. And Danny, when we're looking at when we're

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Speaker 1: I think is one of the most concerning things at

429
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Speaker 1: now the very start of the off season is how

430
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Speaker 1: can this offense be successful if it seems like it's

431
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,040
Speaker 1: only really working when you've got one receiver, because the

432
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,199
Speaker 1: trickle down of how that affects all the others. The

433
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 1: thing is is that's that's how it looked down the stretch.

434
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Speaker 1: But at the same time, I mean again, you were

435
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:41,919
Speaker 1: making like you were saying, I mean, you made some

436
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 1: things work when Hop was first out. James Connor, I

437
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,399
Speaker 1: mean the I think part of the problem was again

438
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 1: you when Hop went out to me, that just ups

439
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 1: the anti for needing that duo of Edmonds and Connor,

440
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,480
Speaker 1: and they didn't play together, I mean they just once

441
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,160
Speaker 1: Chase Edmond hurt his ankle on the first offensive play

442
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 1: in San Francisco, the two of them were on the

443
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 1: field in the same game for two games. The Detroit

444
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,920
Speaker 1: loss is weird, and then the playoff loss, so basically

445
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 1: the two worst losses. Those are the only two times

446
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,680
Speaker 1: they played together. Now, James Connor was unbelievable when Chase

447
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,359
Speaker 1: Edmonds was out and I feel like carried this team.

448
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's like you've only got

449
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 1: so many skill players and we're not even mentioning that

450
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 1: Rondale Moore wasn't a part of things down the stretch.

451
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 1: I mean they were missing skill guys. In twenty twenty,

452
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 1: they added some skill guys to go around DeAndre Hopkins,

453
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 1: and Hopkins gets hurt and then they have some other injuries.

454
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 1: Everybody's got injuries. You gotta make it work. And I

455
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 1: do think that a lot of this falls on the

456
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 1: quarterback and needing more from the quarterback, including if we

457
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 1: want to talk about that, like I do think I

458
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 1: think they need to find a way to run him more.

459
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:58,640
Speaker 1: There's got to be a middle ground off. You don't

460
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Speaker 1: want to overrun your quarterback for safety, right, well, but

461
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 1: it begins, but with his skill level, yeah, I think

462
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 1: you need to integrate that. But see, the question is

463
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 1: is how you do it. And I actually I think

464
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 1: the coaches probably wouldn't mind running him more. I think

465
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 1: this is something Kyler is not fond of because he

466
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 1: knows he can get hurt and he thinks he can

467
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,919
Speaker 1: get it done the other way. The problem was he

468
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 1: wasn't getting get done the other way. He's been on

469
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: the record since his rookie year is saying he likes

470
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Speaker 1: for the running quarterback to be organic, to come to him,

471
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: be a luxury, and he doesn't necessarily like the design runs.

472
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,719
Speaker 1: He likes to be able to have the option that

473
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,439
Speaker 1: if the dvs have their back to him and he

474
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 1: sees open Green, I'm out of here and then he'll

475
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 1: scoot to the marker and pick up a first down.

476
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 1: But yeah, scoot, I like that word. I'm I'm among

477
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 1: those Darren who really thought you would see more of

478
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,360
Speaker 1: a Buffalo game plan. What did we see on their

479
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,199
Speaker 1: first possession Buffalo and route to the route in New England.

480
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 1: You saw Josh Allen keep it run off tackle for

481
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,400
Speaker 1: twenty three yards and he just make a statement, We've

482
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,880
Speaker 1: got this in our arsenal. You better defend this. You've

483
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 1: got to respect the quarterback run. I thought we would

484
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,120
Speaker 1: see more of it in a playoff game, that they'd

485
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: be willing to risk his health a little bit more.

486
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,120
Speaker 1: But maybe it's the third rail for Kyler. Maybe it's

487
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 1: a non starter for Kyler and they don't go there.

488
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 1: That's an unknown and I feel like too, even more

489
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: in the beginning of the season, when we were seeing

490
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 1: more of that complimentary football, maybe that's because they had

491
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 1: more freedom, because they were having early starts and early leads,

492
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: and maybe that played a role in too. I just

493
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 1: kind of feel like all of the magic we saw

494
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 1: offensively in the first half of the season, we just

495
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: kind of lost on the back end. And again, I

496
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 1: find it hard to believe that's all because you don't

497
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 1: have DeAndre Hopkins. I think there's a lot of pieces

498
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 1: coming into play here, all right. So there was a

499
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 1: rant from Mina kinds of sorts on ESPN. Did you

500
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 1: see her a little blurb when it came to missing

501
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: a d hop and losing five of your last six

502
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,360
Speaker 1: and I quote the fact that the Arizona Cardinals were

503
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: so dependent on a single receiver is not only an

504
00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 1: indictment of their offensive system, but the entire ross. This

505
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 1: was an institutional failure. That's Mina Kimes. Now I'm gonna

506
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: go I'm gonna make two points. These are two theories,

507
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 1: and you might have heard these before on Cardinals Underground.

508
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 1: In fact, the first one, I'll go back to the

509
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 1: second meeting in early December against the Rams when the

510
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: Rams are coming off their three game losing skid, and

511
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: what did they do? What did Sean McVay do Because

512
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: they had lost Robert Woods and Robert Woods was more

513
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: of a catalyst in that receiver room than I guess

514
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: anyone had figured. And they were leading the league in

515
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 1: three and four wide receiver sets as a percentage of

516
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: their offensive plays. And they said, you know what, this

517
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: isn't working anymore. Minus Robert Woods. Be Odell Beckham had

518
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 1: just arrived on the scene, so he went back to

519
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 1: his old offensive system when they had Todd Gurley, and

520
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 1: they started running between the tackles a lot more, a

521
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 1: lot more play action. That's how they started using Darrell

522
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 1: Henderson and then Cam Akers coming back, etc. Okay, and

523
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: Sony Michelle obviously was the big back and was breaking

524
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: a lot of those tackles like Todd Gurley used to

525
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 1: do in his prime. And we threw that out there,

526
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 1: did we? Not? Darre on Cardinals Underground? Do the Cardinals

527
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 1: need to do more than just put Antoine Wesley in

528
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: d hop spot? Do they need to rethink the offense overall?

529
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: Here's the other theory is that the one game Kyler

530
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: excelled in down the stretch was against Dallas. And what

531
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 1: does Dallas do? They play a lot of man cover.

532
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: I'd love to see a breakdown on Kyler's performance against

533
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: zone coverages. He just seems to be a different quarterback

534
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 1: against zone cover and especially without d Hop, they can

535
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: just play straight zone with no extra attention paid to

536
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 1: any single receiver. And I think that used to dictate

537
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 1: where he would go with the ball a lot as well,

538
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: because he was so accustomed to d Hop and what

539
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: they would do double coverage or bracket of the safety

540
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: over the top, and he knew that so well that

541
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: he could then go through his progressions a lot better

542
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: than if they're just playing a straight too high safety

543
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 1: shell covered zone. And I think that's part of the

544
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: reason why he was holding onto the ball for so long.

545
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 1: That's my theory. I think that's I think that's a

546
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: fair point. And you know, again, this league is about adjustments,

547
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 1: and I do feel like they struggled with trying to

548
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: figure out exactly what they wanted to do. You know,

549
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: it's funny Hop, It's not. Hop was a obviously huge

550
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 1: part of this, but it's his Statistically, it's not like

551
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: he was getting all the targets when he went out,

552
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,199
Speaker 1: So is it just a case of since the defense

553
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 1: had to pay more attention to him? It's just weird,

554
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting. You know what Sean McVay said

555
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: coming out of the locker room at halftime, once again,

556
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: thank you, Lisa Salters. Sean McVay said, Cooper Cup's getting

557
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: all the attention and that's opening up things for other guys.

558
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: That was mcvay's assessment at halftime of the Cardinals defensive

559
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: coverage against his receivers. So so, in a roundabout way

560
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: to reverse engineer that, Darren, you're right, de Hop didn't

561
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: necessarily get a ton of targets, But to what degree

562
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: did that make all the other receivers look better? And

563
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: I think that's something you have to look at it.

564
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: I know we'll touch on this later, but I think too,

565
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: you know, you've got some of those receivers who are

566
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: free agents, and I think those have to come into

567
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: question too now of when when d Hop was out

568
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: there that allowed Aj Green to be a great number two,

569
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: and then you had Christian Kirk and then you could

570
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: use Rondale more And I just think that when d

571
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: hop left and everybody else had to elevate their game.

572
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: It's just nobody else's d hop. And if that's how

573
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: the offense is set up to work and you don't

574
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: have that key piece, you got to make some changes.

575
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: I think the stat is here. It is eleven of

576
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: Kyler's thirty four attempts passing attempts against the Rams were

577
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: behind the line of scrimmage. So you know when Kyler

578
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: gets up and you know, there are guys who will

579
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: play the game, who will text me out of nowhere.

580
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: And one of the questions I got a lot of

581
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: when he was healthy, which wasn't a whole bunch over

582
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: the second half of the year, was why isn't Rondale

583
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: more downfield more? Why isn't he getting targets downfield? Why

584
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: can he be that Tyreek Hill type if he has

585
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,239
Speaker 1: at four three speed? Why is he relegated to just

586
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,959
Speaker 1: perimeter stuff along the line of scrimmage? And I don't know,

587
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: if he was healthy the last month of the season,

588
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: Rondelle more, if that would have been more of an option,

589
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: if that would have opened up the passing game a

590
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: little more, deploy him down the seam, let him everybody

591
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: now take the top off, right, Okay. You know so

592
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: it's a favorite phrase, Paul, you know, for zach Ertz too,

593
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: But I feel like there'd be a lot of times

594
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: we'd see a lot of zach Ertz, or we just

595
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: wouldn't see a lot of him. I mean, I don't

596
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: know about you, guys. I'm watching the playoff game of

597
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: Money Night from the sideline and I'm pointing at Eric Weddle.

598
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: I'm going a week ago that guy is driving a

599
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: minivan before kids can somebody target something on Eric Weddle

600
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: and the Cardinals completed one pass beyond fifteen yards against

601
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: the Rams one. There was no downfield passing attack. Why

602
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: can't you try and get Eric Weddle in space trying?

603
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: Does he have it or doesn't. He's thirty seven, he's

604
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: been out of the game for two years. He's going

605
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: to show up in a playoff game and you didn't

606
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: even test him. That's what was frustrating to me. Well,

607
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: I know the pass rush was part of the problem there, right,

608
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: But i mean, look, we can we can dissect this

609
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: all day. This game that went to crap as soon

610
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: as it basically started, unfortunately, but uh, you know, it'll

611
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: be you know, where this offense kind of evolves to,

612
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: UH next season I think is I think it's it's

613
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: it's gonna be something to watch and we can talk

614
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: about who the wide receivers are. And I do think

615
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: that they could probably use an upgrade, uh to get

616
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: another piece in there. Um. But I feel like as

617
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: I sit here now, a couple of days after the

618
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: season's over, it's still gonna come down. It's gonna be

619
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: the same storyline that we've had for two years, three years,

620
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: which is the head coach and the quarterback and where

621
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: they go in their growth and you know how much

622
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: more time they're going to be given to have that growth.

623
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: I said to Wolf on the team playing, you know,

624
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: in between him reaching for peanut M and m's, I said, well,

625
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: this team could start eight in three next year, and

626
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: everyone's gonna yawn. Yeah, everyone's gonna wait for December. I

627
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: have I've actually had already. They're like, we could be

628
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: ten and o next year. No one's gonna care, Which

629
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: is that's tough. It is tough because you started ten

630
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: and two. The chances of you replicating I disagree with that.

631
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: I think if this team is ten and two, I

632
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: think the fan base is going to be very excited. Yes,

633
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: it's easy to say that now, but I will also

634
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: say that if they're ten and two, there will be

635
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,959
Speaker 1: all that excitement, but there will be most of them

636
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: worried the other shoe's gonna drop. And I get that.

637
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: I think that's fair. I think it would be a

638
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: different story had the back half of the season a

639
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: lot of these losses the Cardinals played better. It's one

640
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: thing if you lose and if you actually play like that,

641
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: sometimes that just happens. But a lot of their losses

642
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: they just didn't play well at all, couldn't keep up

643
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: with the other team. I think that's the hard part too,

644
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: is like it wasn't just they were losing. They were

645
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: playing nowhere near as well as we had seen them

646
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: for the first half of the season. But well, two

647
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: points to make to that number one, you're right, but

648
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: that's exactly why people freaked out. Wasn't just that they

649
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: played poorly, but that's what they saw at the end

650
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: of last season after a good start and two again,

651
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: it's it's the dichotomy between how they were playing the

652
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: first six weeks and then how they played the last

653
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: six weeks. Is really something to behold. I mean, if

654
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: you go back on game Pass and watch the Titans

655
00:33:53,760 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: game or watch the first Rams game, it's not even

656
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: recognizable to what you were watching down the stretch. I

657
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: said earlier today, I was on with with Wolf and

658
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 1: I said, just being on the sideline and the feeling,

659
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: just the energy, the intensity, the edge the Cardinals played

660
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: with and going to seven and OZ ten and two,

661
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: just walking into some of those road venues and basically

662
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: you know, looking around and saying watch this and going

663
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: out and proving it. And they didn't just win. They

664
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 1: were talking trash to the fans. Behind the bench, they

665
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 1: were the head coach was barking at opposing players and

666
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: yelling at themposing sideline. I mean, he was from top

667
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,280
Speaker 1: to bottom. There was a whole different edge about the team.

668
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 1: And so it just makes you wonder what happened? You know.

669
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: DJ Humphreys I think was asked directly right he said

670
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: multiple and basically was you know what happened? What happened

671
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 1: and you know the before and the after. And DJ's

672
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: answer was, because I have the quote right here, when

673
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: you lose that many games in a row, you lost something. Yeah,

674
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: So that's the question the all season, what was it

675
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: fill in the blank. That's going back to those intangibles

676
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 1: of believing in yourself and in your teammates. And I

677
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,280
Speaker 1: think when they went on that three game losing skid,

678
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: they didn't have that mental strength or the belief in

679
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 1: themselves of like, we are still a good team, we

680
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,720
Speaker 1: can still do this. I think they got so wrapped

681
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: up and like we're losing where we're not playing, you know,

682
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: and it just they couldn't come out of that. And

683
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: I think you could, honestly, in hindsight now see that

684
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 1: with how they ended the season, even though they still

685
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: made the playoffs, like to come off how you ended

686
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 1: that season of going, gosh, they went like what one

687
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: in five, one and six with a playoff law? So

688
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: was that one in four their last five? I agree

689
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:46,280
Speaker 1: with you. It's funny they lost that Rams game, which

690
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,399
Speaker 1: if the Monday night regular season one, they lose that game,

691
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: If they win that game, they essentially wrap up the

692
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: NFC West yep. I mean the magic number would have

693
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 1: been won with like four games to go or whatever

694
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: would have been. So you lose that. And the problem

695
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: with losing that game was not just that all of

696
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: a sudden, the NFC West is back and play. But

697
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: you were working with at the time no bargin for

698
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: air to try and stay as the number one seed

699
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: in the NFC or trying to get back their wife.

700
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: Forget exactly what the standings were at the point at

701
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,720
Speaker 1: that point, but there there was like this high wire

702
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 1: act and you and you fell off it. Okay, it's

703
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: gonna be tough with all these teams at the top

704
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: to get back to that number one seed. I mean

705
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: to me, the game that changed everything was Detroit because

706
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: you absolutely are counting on that as a victory. You're

707
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: absolutely counting on that is to be like another notch

708
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 1: where you're getting closer to the division title. When you

709
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 1: lose that game and the and the Rams are able

710
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: to catch you in the division, now you're questioning everything.

711
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: Now everybody's like, wait, you lost the Rams, and you

712
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 1: lost to the Panthers when they were playing pretty decent,

713
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: and you lost to the Packers, but now you lost

714
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: the Lines. They're terrible. What is wrong with you? And

715
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: now that's in your head. And then you lose a

716
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: close game, which, as Paul already mentioned, a game you

717
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: don't lose. I think if your holder is healthy. I mean,

718
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: and then it's just now you're just tumbling down. It's

719
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: like you're you're you're you're falling down this rolling down

720
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 1: this cliff, and you can't grab anything to like stop

721
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: yourself from rolling down this mountain, and you're just out

722
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: of control, and there's just and that's kind of how

723
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: it felt. I mean, the Seattle game would have been

724
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: nice to win, but ultimately, and what's funny is it

725
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: meant something. And that's the other problem is you went

726
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: into that Seattle game thinking, Okay, the Rams lose and

727
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 1: we win, we win the division. But I never really

728
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: got the sense that anybody believed the Rams were gonna

729
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: lose that game, and the Cardinals kind of played that way.

730
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: And then the Rams do lose, So then you get

731
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,879
Speaker 1: the double punch there of not only losing yet another game,

732
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 1: but you blew another chance. I mean, that's the problem

733
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: is is they this this team had the chance to

734
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: control its own destined to be out four different times

735
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: this year, whether it was the number one seed, or

736
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 1: winning the division or or even clinching their own playoff

737
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,919
Speaker 1: spot without having to back in, and they weren't able

738
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: to do it. And I that that's got a stick.

739
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: All right. I have a theory a negative. This might

740
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: get KELVC consulted. It is a funeral, that's right, that's right.

741
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: The celebration of life will come later in the off season.

742
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: This right now, it's definitely a funeral. And be good

743
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,240
Speaker 1: food there. It's it's uh, let me tell you before

744
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: you get to load up your plate. You're first gonna

745
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: have to hear the following because I prepared this, and

746
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: so I have the podium right now, So you're gonna

747
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: have to sit there and squirm in your seat a

748
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: little bit longer until you get your finger sandwiches. Here

749
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: we go. It's a theory, only a theory. It might

750
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 1: be touching the third rail. I might get slugged by memory.

751
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: Thank goodness. We can't get into the locker room these

752
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,240
Speaker 1: days with COVID protocols because I might get PAULI punched

753
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: to the face. But I wonder how many guys went

754
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: into self preservation mode. They're about thirty free agents or

755
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: so on this roster. Correct, they got to seven and

756
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: oh they got to tend and two and attend and two.

757
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: They're like, you know what, we're good. We're into the playoffs. Now,

758
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: even if we back in, which they did hit the

759
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: reverse beep sound effect, even if we do back in,

760
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: we're in. And that's better than last year. That's another

761
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: notch in the old progression belt. And you know what,

762
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: now it's time to think of thyself, to make sure

763
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: that I go into the offseason healthy, that I maximize

764
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 1: my own earning power. I hope that didn't happen, But

765
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: the lackluster way they played some of these games was

766
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: zero energy and urgency and intensity. You know, to Danny's point,

767
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: it wasn't just the losses. It was the you lost

768
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 1: the eyeball test in addition to the game. You just

769
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 1: didn't bring it. It wasn't even close to be in

770
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: the same team you saw over the first two three months.

771
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: Why what happened? The only thing I can think of

772
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: is that too many guys started thinking of their own

773
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 1: football future instead of the teams. And how do you

774
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: explain going to Dallas and you hold the Cowboys to

775
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: a season low forty five yards rushing and then the

776
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: very next week Seattle rips off over two hundred at

777
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: about seven yards of carrying. So you're talking about the

778
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: last couple of games I'm just talking about the last

779
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: month and a half. Well, I guess that's my point though,

780
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: like that there was so much noise going into the

781
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: Dallas game that they're almost compelled to go out and

782
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: put a good game out there just to try and

783
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: stop the noise. But then once the noise stopped and

784
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 1: they got everyone off their back, they sort of fell

785
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 1: back into that comfort zone of going, Okay, this is

786
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: I just activated the hands free driving on this car,

787
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: and I'm going cruise control right into the offseason, and

788
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: then I'll call my agent. I guess ultimately, I mean,

789
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: I'm thinking off the top, and I'm guessing we're not

790
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: to get into names. So that's a very dangerous thing

791
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,959
Speaker 1: to do right now. But I would I would say

792
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: that I'm thinking of some of the free agents that

793
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: are to be and they just don't strike me as

794
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: that kind of player, nor did I think that they

795
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: played that way. So, and you want to be playing well,

796
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 1: if you're in a contractor you don't end up with,

797
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: you're saying team don't lie, Danny the eye and this

798
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: guy don't lie. I've heard that for twenty years in

799
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: those locker rooms, and you know what, that's a valid point.

800
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,439
Speaker 1: And I would also say there's guys that I don't

801
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: think played all that well that aren't free agents, so right,

802
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 1: and you're right, teams could easily call up your last

803
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: month of film and say WHOA which player is he?

804
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: I get it. But then there are also enough guys

805
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: who put enough good film out there and have enough

806
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: of a reputation that they feel like, Okay, I'm good. Now.

807
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,439
Speaker 1: The key is I have to stay healthy going into

808
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: the all season. I wonder if more this was just

809
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: I mean Zach Allen send us at one point and

810
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: that back half of the season that winning acts as

811
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 1: a deodorant for what you're doing rock and so when

812
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: you go ten and two, you can watch film and

813
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 1: find things to improve on. But if you're winning and

814
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 1: beating good teams, right, it's okay, Like we can still

815
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 1: work around this. And I think on both sides of

816
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: the ball. On offense, it was d hop and on

817
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: defense the back half, all of a sudden, your secondary

818
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: got really banged up really fast, and the secondary had

819
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: been solid to where it could kind of take care

820
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: of the fact that your run defense wasn't consistently top notch.

821
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:32,879
Speaker 1: They could get by with that and so I think

822
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 1: when on offense you lost the hop and then on

823
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: defense your secondary those were the strong points on both

824
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: sides of the ball. It just kind of exploited that,

825
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: you know what, maybe this defense wasn't or the team

826
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,399
Speaker 1: rather as a whole wasn't as strong all around as

827
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: it appeared to be. And I will also say, and

828
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 1: I know Paul loves it when I delve back into

829
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: my Kyle Udo guard roots and the analytics, but I

830
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: know early on in the season when the Cardinals were

831
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: playing really well, there was a couple of analytical people

832
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: on Twitter that we're talking about, Look, it's great that

833
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 1: the Cardinals are playing well, but some of these things

834
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:13,760
Speaker 1: that they're doing it is not sustainable. They were converting

835
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: a lot of third and longs into scores and or

836
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: first downs that you don't that normally doesn't happen. They're

837
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: doing it at a level higher than anybody ever has

838
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: and it's it's going to regress. And it's funny as

839
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: we speak in a regression. It went all the way

840
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 1: to the point where in the playoff game they went

841
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 1: oh for nine on third down and the average the

842
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: average distance was third and eleven plus and That's the

843
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 1: thing is you can't get third and long. But like,

844
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: how many times early in the season did we see

845
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: the Cardinals end up with a touchdown or a crazy

846
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,320
Speaker 1: first down when it was like third and twelve, third

847
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 1: and fourteen. You know, the third and sixteen run in

848
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: LA that Kyler converted, the one of the the zero

849
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: blitz touchdown pass to Christian Kirk in Tennessee, I want

850
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: to say was third and long. I want to say

851
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: that was third and long. On the Cleveland touchdown pass

852
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:08,879
Speaker 1: to DeAndre Hopkins, I'd have to look, but I mean,

853
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 1: or a Chicago rather or that was fourth down even so,

854
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe maybe some of it was just a

855
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: regression to the mean and we saw a little bit

856
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,399
Speaker 1: of mirage, but that if that's true, and I don't know,

857
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: And this team does have an analytics department, and I'm

858
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: sure that's been pointed out. Those are things that again

859
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: going in the pile of things we got to figure out.

860
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: We can't be putting ourselves in these situations to make

861
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 1: it up, because I do think there are some there

862
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: are some analysts that see Kyler Murray as a unique talent,

863
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 1: but a talent that too often is playing street football

864
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 1: as it were, and converting huge plays out of nothing

865
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: that again isn't sustainable because it's not in the framework

866
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: of a regular offense. On that note, was there a

867
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: comment leading up to the Rams playoff game from either

868
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,879
Speaker 1: the head coach or the GM that Kyler had been

869
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: watching more film than ever? Was there a comment made

870
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: to that effect that Kyler was in the building watching

871
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: more film than ever? I think it got brought up

872
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 1: at some point, are you going to go to the

873
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: New York Times comment? And maybe it was out of

874
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 1: the New York Times. Well, the New York Times was

875
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:24,760
Speaker 1: the other way where there was a story about Kyler Murray,

876
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 1: and Kyler Murray actually is quartered at saying I don't

877
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: have to watch as much film because I automatically kind

878
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: of see everything, which and so those two combined, maybe

879
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: that's the lesson learned going into this offseason. Maybe that

880
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 1: is where the self improvement comes this off season for

881
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: the quarterback is a bigger commitment to the film on

882
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: a weekly basis. Because I know the reaction from some was, well,

883
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: wait a minute, if he's in that film room watching

884
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: a lot more film going into this playoff game, maybe

885
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: that should have been the norm. Maybe that should have

886
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 1: been the case every week of the regular season, despite

887
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: the fact he spent the first half of the season

888
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: as a leading an MVP candidate. But you know, if

889
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 1: defensive coordinators are going to evolve over the course of

890
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: a season, and they do, Hello, they go out there

891
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: and they're gonna study everything you do, and in particularly

892
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: they're gonna study your last four games. Every single opponent

893
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: does that. Guess what they're gonna change how they approach you.

894
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,479
Speaker 1: And once somebody puts out a blueprint or a game

895
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: plan that is really effective, you're gonna keep seeing it

896
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: time and again. So when things turn over the course

897
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: of a season and they never turn back, that's where

898
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 1: the phrase comes in that we found ourselves saying to

899
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,879
Speaker 1: the end of last season, you have to adjust to

900
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: the adjustment, and there's only so much the coaches can

901
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: do in that regard. I guess as I'm just sort

902
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,240
Speaker 1: of thinking out loud here, and once again we're left

903
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 1: with so many question marks and so few answers. It's

904
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: forced us to try and fill in the blank with theories.

905
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 1: Look all you can do after the way that not

906
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:08,399
Speaker 1: only the season, but just if you want to look

907
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: at this playoff game and how they performed or I

908
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: guess you could say didn't. All you can do is

909
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: take the sting and the pain and learn from it.

910
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: Learn from it, not only just scheme wise of what

911
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:25,240
Speaker 1: plays were working, what wasn't working, but also internally personally,

912
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: like what could I have done in my own preparation?

913
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 1: How could I have handled this better? How? And that's

914
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: just not for Kyler Murray, that's every player, I think.

915
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: I think that's all you can do is look in

916
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: the mirror. Danny, Yes, are you telling me to do

917
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 1: that on my face? No, I'm just saying. I'm just

918
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 1: I needed to boil it down to the press conference

919
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 1: cliche that we often hear. We've got to look in

920
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: the mirror. He was staring directly. You know, I'm just

921
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: comfortable in this way, trust me. Normally I would be

922
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: taking my shots at Paul. Yeah we could get to that,

923
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 1: Yeah we can. But you know what, And look, I'll

924
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 1: go back to my comment about whether guys wanted to

925
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: self preservation mode. And you're right, Darren. I'm looking at

926
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:08,760
Speaker 1: the list of prominent free agents and you're right. Look,

927
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna put in Chandler Jones in that category,

928
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 1: or James Connor certainly not, Christian Kirk or Chase Edmonds. Right,

929
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: these are all zach Ertz, absolutely not. In fact, they

930
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: needed to maximize zach Ertz a lot more in that

931
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 1: playoff game. I think we all agree. So, yeah, there's

932
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 1: some prominent names who I'm not accusing of tanking, but

933
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 1: there's also almost three dozen guys who weren't a contract

934
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: here on this roster. So there's a lot of names

935
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: to choose from. And once again, doesn't take many guys

936
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: to be a liability and all of a sudden you're

937
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 1: not playing sound run defense, for example, or you're making

938
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: you know, don't forget for everything that was made in

939
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: the offseason. And rightfully so about how the Cardinals led

940
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: the NFL and penalties a year ago, right, twenty twenty,

941
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:58,879
Speaker 1: they led the NFL and penalties, correct, Daron, wasn't that? Yeah?

942
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 1: I think that's right because that was one of the

943
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: mantras of the all season. Right, Well, they still finished

944
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: in the top ten, and they finished tied for number

945
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: one in the NFL. And false starts the Detroit Lions.

946
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: That's that's the pre snap penalties is still a thing.

947
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: It's still a thing. Am I just remembering this wrong?

948
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,240
Speaker 1: I feel like that was something too. It all feels

949
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: like we're two different seasons of first half and second half.

950
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: But am I remembering that wrong? I feel like it

951
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: was more this. The Cardinals would be playing from behind,

952
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: they would start to get momentum, and then it was

953
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 1: all these penalties stacked up. I feel like that was

954
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: part of the problem those last couple of games, was

955
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's just you feel maybe a

956
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 1: little more rushed or more adrenaline or more emotion or

957
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: what that is. But I mean, correct me if I'm wrong.

958
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: I feel like those penalties. We saw those a lot

959
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 1: more frequently those last couple of games when they weren't

960
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 1: playing well. Oh no, I agree. I think they had

961
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,879
Speaker 1: done a better job earlier in the season. But that's

962
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,800
Speaker 1: you know, now, I feel like I'm writing a script

963
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: for some football movie. But like the game is simple,

964
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: like if you don't turn the ball over and you

965
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: don't commit a lot of penalties and you know, I mean,

966
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 1: it's it's it's not hard. I mean they why why

967
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: did they win those games early? Why did they win

968
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: almost all their road games because they got early leads

969
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:23,240
Speaker 1: they didn't turn the ball over and they played smart

970
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: and that got lost because they fell behind because they

971
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: felt pressure. I don't know if they got worn down. Uh,

972
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's but we're not the thing about

973
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,479
Speaker 1: it is this to me, which is we're not talking

974
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 1: about a high school team. You don't you don't ultimately

975
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: get to when these guys, it's funny they're cliches because

976
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,959
Speaker 1: we all say them a lot. That's why they become cliches.

977
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: And one of the clises cliches is like, no one's

978
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: gonna feel sorry for us. No, no one is, including

979
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: your own fan base. Unfortunately, Like they get frustrated, and um,

980
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 1: I know, I know the players are frustrated. I just

981
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,479
Speaker 1: I keep thinking of JJ. Watt went after the game

982
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: Monday and somebody said, basically, you know what happened these

983
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: last month? And JJ said the same thing that every

984
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: other players basically said. If I knew, we would have

985
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,399
Speaker 1: gotten it fixed. You know, when somebody sends me a mail,

986
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: bad question, why did the Cardinals that y? You know

987
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 1: that big picture? Why did the Cardinals struggle so much

988
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 1: down the stretch? I don't know. If I did, I

989
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: would go to somebody upstairs, and I would first demand

990
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 1: more money to be paid and then I'd let them

991
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 1: know so. But it's funny because I use that same

992
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: gag on CBS Sports Rada. That's realized. You're CBS Sports Raider,

993
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 1: the guy and a get here. He's really over the top.

994
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 1: Here we go Cardinals Sigemon reporter Paul KELBC, what the

995
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 1: hell happened to the Cardinals? And my response was, well,

996
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: if I knew, you'd see the first ever instance of

997
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 1: a sideline reporter elevated to team president. So you know,

998
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: I mean, and I don't think it's very complicated. I mean,

999
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly how to get there. But again

1000
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: we've talked about it throughout this podcast. Your your quarterback

1001
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: has to play better. You you you, it would help

1002
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: if you didn't get hurt. You can't commit too many penalties,

1003
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: and especially the ones that have nothing to do with

1004
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: the play, the pre snap variety, and you have to

1005
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:31,359
Speaker 1: take advantage because again, and I know the money game

1006
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: was a blot, but in pro sports, and this is

1007
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: this is my working theory on why the Urban Meyers

1008
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 1: and the Nick Sabans washed out in the pros. In

1009
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:45,720
Speaker 1: pro sports, there is no there is no giant gap.

1010
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 1: We saw it in the Lions game. Now, should they

1011
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 1: have lost the lines? No, should they have lost the

1012
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: lines like they did? Absolutely not. But the Lions aren't

1013
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,839
Speaker 1: that much worse than most NFL teams. They're just not.

1014
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 1: No NFL team is where. That's why you have these

1015
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: given Sundays. That's why the Jacksonville Jaguars can beat the

1016
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: Colts in the last week of the season and knock

1017
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 1: him out of the playoffs. This is not Alabama playing Vanderbilt.

1018
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 1: And so if you do just a few things wrong,

1019
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that you're a dumpster fire of an

1020
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 1: organization or of a coach or of a player. It

1021
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: means you didn't you you're just doing enough wrong that

1022
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 1: the other guys and does enough right that you're gonna

1023
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 1: lose that day. I mean, I don't I certainly don't

1024
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 1: want to get polly at it because this did not

1025
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 1: end the way it should after seven or no and

1026
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: ten and two. But this team, it was funny. I'm

1027
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,399
Speaker 1: looking at in print the other day and I'm looking

1028
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,359
Speaker 1: at this team being eleven and six and a wild

1029
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:39,879
Speaker 1: card playoff team, and when you see it in front

1030
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 1: of you that the team is eleven and six. With

1031
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:45,919
Speaker 1: the record, you start thinking eleven and six isn't isn't bad?

1032
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 1: Did it end the way you want to know? This?

1033
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: Should it have ended the way it did? No? But

1034
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 1: I mean, again, as somebody who has covered this team

1035
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: for twenty years, you talk about the dark days of

1036
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 1: you know, thinking Derek Anderson is going to carry you

1037
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 1: through a season, or Kevin hob or even before that,

1038
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 1: before I worked for the team and you know I'm covering.

1039
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: I mean when I first started covering this team, Danny

1040
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 1: my first fifty road trips, I took fifty road trips

1041
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 1: over whatever it was. That's two thousand through part of

1042
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 1: two thousand and four, whatever it is. This team won

1043
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: nine of those games. I saw a team go nine

1044
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,879
Speaker 1: and forty one to fifty road trips that I took.

1045
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:28,240
Speaker 1: This team won eight road games by itself this season.

1046
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,800
Speaker 1: So I get where the fans are going to get upset.

1047
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: I think they're one percent allowed to. This was a

1048
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 1: disappointing ending, a massive failure, as JJ Watt said, But ultimately,

1049
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 1: I've seen some terrible football. This was not it, and

1050
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: and it's tough for me to get past that. Ultimately, Again,

1051
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 1: the devils and the details. It's it's how you lost?

1052
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:55,800
Speaker 1: Is it because you lost focus? Is that? Why? Is?

1053
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 1: You know? I mean, how correctable was it? And I

1054
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: think that really ates directly to the fans ire to

1055
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: whether how how culpable are you for these losses? Did

1056
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 1: you get out there and okay, look you lost Aaron Donald,

1057
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: that's one thing. But if you went out there half

1058
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: speed and half prepared and lost Aaron Donald, then now

1059
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 1: everyone to a man said the Cardinals had their best

1060
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 1: week of practice all year and the urgency was there. Well,

1061
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 1: obviously didn't translate to the game field, obviously not in

1062
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury. You know, he was pretty honest going into

1063
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 1: the game. They asked what were the two big things

1064
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 1: plaguing the team going into that playoff game over the

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00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 1: final six weeks? He said, On offense, negative plays, We've

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00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 1: talked about that pre snap penalties being a big, big problem,

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00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:46,839
Speaker 1: and then big plays loud on defense. That started, Dance

1068
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: Joseph pretty frank with the media going into the playoff game.

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00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 1: It started in the rematch against the Rams in Week fourteen.

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00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 1: They gave up three plays of forty plus yards in

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00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 1: that Monday and night loss. Until that point in the season,

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00:55:57,680 --> 00:55:59,760
Speaker 1: they had given up three plays of forty plus yards

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00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 1: a year, and it just never stopped. The bleeding never stopped,

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00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:07,919
Speaker 1: and they just keep giving up big plays where half

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00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: dozen plays where twenty plus yards against the Rams in

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00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:13,720
Speaker 1: the playoff game. It just never stopped. Why we're guys

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00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 1: not locked into their assignments where all of a sudden

1078
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: they getting physically dominated. So I think that's where fans,

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Speaker 1: like I said once again, that's where I think, ultimately

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00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 1: the culpability comes in. Is too all right, how responsible

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00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 1: were you for your own loss? Yeah? And I mean

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00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 1: to some extent. Coaches can only coach so much when

1083
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 1: you're not the ones out there making plays on the field.

1084
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: Obviously they go hand in hand. And this is still

1085
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 1: fresh the loss, and so I understand fans being upset

1086
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 1: and they should be able to hold this team accountable. Absolutely,

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00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:50,760
Speaker 1: And I think it might take some time till maybe

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00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: people can see my point of view on this, but

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00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 1: I think you have to look at the bigger picture

1090
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 1: to some degree, right, and the way that this team

1091
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 1: has addressed with this coaching staff and with their quarterback

1092
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 1: the last three years and getting back to the playoffs

1093
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 1: and adjustments they made to get to this point to

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Speaker 1: get eleven wins. I don't want to take away from

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00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,799
Speaker 1: the fact that all the things we've talked about, this

1096
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 1: team still needs to work on. The coaching staff needs

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00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 1: to work on looking at second half, specifically in these

1098
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 1: last couple of years. There's definitely still things that need

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00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: to be addressed. But I also think too when thinking

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Speaker 1: about the emotions of the season as a whole, maybe

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00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: not just how it ended. This was not a bad team, right,

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00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 1: and so I understand the anger of you get to

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00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 1: the playoffs and you don't even win a game, or

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00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 1: all of that kind of stuff. But I think too

1105
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 1: of just like the players say, bringing up another cliche,

1106
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 1: you have to trust the process, and if they've been

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00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 1: trending upwards, maybe a harsh sting like this can be

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00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 1: a wake up call of Okay, what have we done

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00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: well at improving these last couple of years and what

1110
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 1: was not working? And that's just the optimism of me

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00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 1: at this funeral. You know what, maybe the Arizona Cardinals

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00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: are five thirty four demographic. No, well, this this is

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Speaker 1: good for the eighteen to thirty four. Actually, I'm glad

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Speaker 1: you brought it up because here's my analogy. Maybe the

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Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals are five G on the day we record

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Underground. Brought to you by Pacific Office Automation. Five

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Speaker 1: G is finally being launched in mass It's been months

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Speaker 1: in the making. I mean well, it's been years in

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00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 1: the making, months in the debut. Wait, didn't I see

1120
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 1: a story this morning that said it wasn't not around airports? Okay,

1121
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 1: see there's still there's still some guys are way more

1122
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 1: in the than I. Once again, there's still some things

1123
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 1: holding it back. Yeah, I e. Your Arizona Cardinals, the

1124
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 1: next big thing just not quite here yet. Yeah. By

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Speaker 1: the way, do you know anyone who actually has five G?

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Speaker 1: My hotspot is five I think I do on my

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00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 1: new phone. Oh somebody got a new phone? Wow? Oh nice, Kay,

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00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:55,479
Speaker 1: there's a flex WHOA. Actually, I just took my dad's

1129
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 1: old phone. He got the new phone. So let's move

1130
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 1: that frustration at him old to you, like you're getting

1131
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 1: dad hand me downs here. This was like a he

1132
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 1: got this new phone and then like realized two weeks

1133
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 1: later he wished he'd gotten the bigger one, and so

1134
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 1: I just upgraded a hitt. Wow. That's did you have

1135
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: to pay him for it? Okay, that's see this is

1136
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: this is the kind of things he might Why are

1137
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 1: you guys suddenly looking at me? Is going to listen

1138
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 1: to this podcast and say, see, Dad, it's not bad.

1139
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 1: I'm in my twenties and you could still pay for everything.

1140
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 1: I don't need that on me right now, Danny, I

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00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 1: pay for my own things, Thank you very much. We're

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00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 1: gonna keep me in that eighteen or thirty four, but

1143
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: not say my exact age. Here's the question. Here's a question.

1144
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 1: Here's a question. Brace for the brace for Darren's reaction

1145
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 1: based on your response. When you were in school, did

1146
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 1: dad give you money for good grades? No? Okay, good, okay,

1147
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:47,479
Speaker 1: because Felipe said in that seat. I had a little

1148
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 1: bit of problem with Felipe last week. No. If I

1149
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 1: got a bad grade and I would go to my parents,

1150
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 1: like on a test, I'd be like, but this was

1151
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 1: the average everybody else did poorly. My parents would say,

1152
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 1: I don't care how everybody else did. It's right, darn Tuton.

1153
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 1: Don't don't try some spin job with the folks. Man.

1154
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 1: Oh I tried. I was not very successful. Oh, there's

1155
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: a pr person in the making, trying to spend the

1156
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 1: results of that thing. Okay, my goodness. Although there was

1157
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 1: a certain calculus test I took my freshman year at college,

1158
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 1: and I got a seventy eight, and I thought I

1159
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 1: had like a B minus or something. I got a

1160
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 1: D plus because the stinking curve was through the roof,

1161
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 1: because I realized later I got stuck in a calculus

1162
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 1: class designed for computer engineers and physics majors at Berkeley.

1163
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 1: I was going to say, and I got my funny kicked.

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01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 1: Paul went to call, I don't. I don't mean that

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01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 1: in any other way. And there's the saying that I

1166
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 1: was in a class I shouldn't have been in. And

1167
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Speaker 1: the only, the only time that I've ever sighted the

1168
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 1: curve was I got a D plus on a calculus midterm,

1169
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Speaker 1: even though I got a seventy eight. We want to

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Speaker 1: talk about my college math. That's my one semester of

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01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 1: college math. My one semester of college math. That was

1172
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 1: just college algebra, which I had taken twice in high school.

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01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 1: One it's an eighth grade and then we took it

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01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 1: in high school because I didn't want to be bothered

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01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 1: with moving on. And then in college, I realized I

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01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 1: could take college algebra, which was just a little bit

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Speaker 1: more advanced, and still get what credit I needed. So

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Speaker 1: I didn't I work backwards on all the tests because

1179
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 1: it was multiple choice, and that crushed me on the final.

1180
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 1: And that's why we are all in journalism. I don't

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Speaker 1: do math, and Paul actually lose by the credo. I

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01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 1: was told there was no math, so that's right. Well

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Speaker 1: that's why, right there, that was the That was the

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01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 1: beginning of the hashtag, even before hashtags existed. I had

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Speaker 1: the hashtag when it was a number sign. Yeah, that's right.

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01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 1: Everybody called it, right, that's right, so they called it

1187
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 1: so okay, Well, I guess what. The Arizona Cardinals um

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Speaker 1: they have company. They weren't the other ones to fail

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Speaker 1: their final exam. That'll do it to this edition A

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Underground, brought to you by Pacific Office Automation