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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, A small town shocked when

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Speaker 1: our friends at Fox thirteen. This is the place Madeline

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Speaker 1: Allen was last seen on Monday night. The college says

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Speaker 1: it's been all hands on deck ever since her roommate

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Speaker 1: are involved interviewing people, looking through phone records, doing everything

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Speaker 1: they can to bring Maddie home. The Snowhall dorm security

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Speaker 1: cameras capture Madeline Allen leaving nine twenty two Monday night,

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Speaker 1: She says, it's not in Maddie's character to just leave

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Speaker 1: Snow College's Public Safety and Police department is taking the

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Speaker 1: lead on the investigation. It's also working with several county

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Speaker 1: sheriff departments, state troopers, and even the FBI. Wow all

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Speaker 1: with me and all Star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 1: what we know. Stacy Hanowitz, Assistant state Attorney, joining us

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Speaker 1: out of Florida. She has a specialty of sex crimes

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Speaker 1: and working with children and teens. Doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrists,

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Speaker 1: dot com. Dan Korsantina, former police chief, former sheriff, former

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Speaker 1: adviser to the Homeland Security Senior Advisory Board, now private

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Speaker 1: investigator at Dan Korcentino dot com. Also with US. Special

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Speaker 1: But first take a listen to our cut. Two thoughts thirteens,

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Speaker 1: Emily tints her it's so hard when you're not sure

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Speaker 1: if they're okay, and when they just kind of drop

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Speaker 1: they're okay. Dean of Students Mike Daniels doesn't want to

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Speaker 1: speculate on the suspicious nature of this case, but he

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Speaker 1: says there are red flags. When Tuesday night snowstorm rolled in,

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Speaker 1: he thought of Maddie missing in an outfit not equipped

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Speaker 1: the Badger community waits for Maddie's return and praise She's okay.

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Speaker 1: This never happens here, and so that's why it was

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Speaker 1: let me ask you this, Stacy Hanowitz. Why do people

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Speaker 1: does has probably happened before, but he just doesn't know

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Speaker 1: about it. Why do people think they're somehow protected because

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Speaker 1: Nancy living Okay, just like living in some of these

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Speaker 1: Such a tough time for family. Tips in this search

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Speaker 1: So let me understand, Christie Missouri. She walked out into

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Speaker 1: told her. He could have told her, Hey, I'm nineteen

428
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: years old and I go to your college. Blah blah blah.

429
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: That'side coffee. Who knows what he said? Take a listen

430
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: to our cut ten. This is Spencer Joseph Fox thirteen.

431
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: According to court documents, the student had met Brown in

432
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 1: an online chat, but sometime after the meeting between the

433
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: two became non consensual and violent, with Brown allegedly tying

434
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 1: up the student while he was at work. Brown also

435
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: accused of threatening the student, saying he would go after

436
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: her family if she left, a point the Wayne County

437
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: attorney brought up, you don't think that there's any way

438
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: that the victim would be able to remain safe if

439
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: he is permitted to bail. We don't think that the

440
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 1: public in general would be safe. Brown also claims he

441
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: doesn't have money for a lawyer. Mister Brown, what would

442
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 1: you like to do about having a lawyer? I do

443
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: not have the resources, and I would like a lawyer.

444
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: Mister Brown, Do you have a job now? I do not.

445
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: While deciding bail. The judge asked Brown during the hearing

446
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: what his thoughts were. His response, it would be nice

447
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: to be home for Christmas, but I don't get to

448
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 1: see my kids or anything, so it really doesn't matter

449
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: your owner. A new detail also coming forwards, saying the

450
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: home wind has happened is not his, that is my

451
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: parents address, that is where all of this took place. Wow,

452
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: apparently he forgot the Fifth Amendment. Did you hear that

453
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: I want to go home for Christmas? You know what?

454
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: I hope? The judge said, you can kiss my judicial

455
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: your end. Uh want to go home for Christmas? What

456
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: does he think this is? Go home for Christmas? And

457
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: then he said I don't get to see my kids anyway. Wow,

458
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: I wonder why you're not allowed to see your children.

459
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: I got a few ideas. We are talking about Brent Brown,

460
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: nearly forty years old, claiming he doesn't have a job.

461
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: I guess he doesn't because he's on cake all day

462
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: trying to lure teen girls to have sex with them.

463
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: And I guarantee I know where this is going. Christie,

464
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: missurk Um. He's going to claim this whole thing was consensual,

465
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: that she wanted to be down in the basement, Uh,

466
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: trapped in their completely naked, covered in coal that she

467
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: signed up for that, I guarantee you that's where this

468
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: is gonna go. Christie spot On, Nancy spoken like an

469
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: attorney defense. I am not an attorney. I am a prosecutor. Please,

470
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: I would never utter these words in court. God help me.

471
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: You know, Stacy is actually going to claim that she

472
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: wanted to be trapped in his basement during final exams,

473
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: covered and colin completely naked. It's winter, it's freezing. Explain, wow,

474
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: I mean to us, it's the most ludicrous, ridiculous thing

475
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: you can imagine. But that's that's a defense that he's

476
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: going to have to say. What else can he say?

477
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: But she consented to it, He's going to say, Listen,

478
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: I spoke to her over picked, we had the conversation,

479
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: she walked out of her dorm room. I didn't go

480
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: in and pick her up. She voluntarily gotten the car

481
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: she bought. You know, this is the role that always transpires.

482
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: This is exact same scenario time after time again, when

483
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: these kids are on social media talking with strangers and

484
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: then decide on their own solution to go. So his

485
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: defense in this case is going to be she consented

486
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,719
Speaker 1: to all of this. Now we know how ridiculous, how

487
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: ludicrous is going to be. As a matter of fact,

488
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: she's going to take the standard. She's going to say

489
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: it wasn't consentual just because I agreed and talked to

490
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: him on the phone. There's no difference. I didn't agree

491
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: to what you're inspired after the staff to doctor Angela

492
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: Arnold Psychiatrists joining us out of Atlanta at Angela Arnold

493
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: MD dot com. You don't want some whackadoodle on the

494
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: jury that actually likes being tied up in the basement,

495
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: buck naked and freezing temps covered in coal. That could happen.

496
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: Good God, No, So hopefully they've got some good people.

497
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: I mean Nancy, this whole story, I mean, good Lord,

498
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: the little girl who knows what was going on inside

499
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: of her head? Right. I don't understand her level of maturity.

500
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: I I don't know why she didn't tell somebody where

501
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: she was going. These are all things that we have

502
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: to teach our children. I think it's the same reason

503
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: that a lot of people don't want to admit they

504
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 1: found their boyfriend, their girlfriend, their wife or husband online

505
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: that they met online. There's nothing wrong with that. In fact,

506
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: a lot of people are doing that now. I think

507
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: that may have played into it. I'm sure she didn't

508
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: tell her college family. Hey, I'm about to go meet

509
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: some guy. Haven't seen him actually, but we were in

510
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: a kick chat room. I'm going to go out with him. No,

511
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: of course she didn't. But if you have a close friend,

512
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: you can tell you're close friends that. And I think

513
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: we need to drive it home to our kids. You've

514
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: got to have somebody that you're saying these things too.

515
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: Don't go out all by yourself. Tell somebody. Well, the

516
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: other thing I find really interesting, and I'll ask you this,

517
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: doctor Angela Arnold. He made the mistake criminal wise of

518
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: letting her send a text, and it said at seven

519
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: while she's missing, during the time they're frantically trying to

520
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: find her, at seven twenty am, she writes, I love you,

521
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: and that did it. And now when you look at

522
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: the context of it being in the period of time

523
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: where she's missing, she disappears, the parents, there's an all

524
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: outsearch going on for her, and atven twenty a m.

525
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: When a lot of co eds would still be a sleep,

526
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: she writes, I love you. That set off all sorts

527
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: of alarms in their heads. It was the perfect thing

528
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: for her to send. Also, and to me. I mean,

529
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: I know it's just the words I love you, but

530
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: there's a little desperation attached to that also, like almost

531
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: as if she knew that she was that something really

532
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: bad was going to happen to her. He allowed her

533
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: just enough time to send a text message from her

534
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: phone and to her parents the right time. Yeah, at

535
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: just the like you said, what kid in colleges up

536
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: at seven twenty in the morning, none writing their parents

537
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: I love you? As if she thought that may be

538
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: her a last text she would ever send them. Yes,

539
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about it, and really to you, Dan Corsentino,

540
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: that one text. Remember, he would take her phone, he

541
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: kept her phone away from her and would lock her

542
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: up in the basement while he went to work during

543
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: the day, or so he said. Long story short, and

544
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: just that one moment, that one text, the pain happened,

545
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: explained Dan Quarsantino. How it works, Well, it's almost like

546
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: a GPS tracking system, but there's a triangulation that takes

547
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,439
Speaker 1: place from the cell phone towers, and in this case,

548
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,280
Speaker 1: there was a cell phone tower that was very close

549
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: to the residents in Loa, Utah. The police then were

550
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: able to identify that neighborhood. They were walking along, it appears,

551
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: and they looked into the basement of a house and

552
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 1: they saw a woman or a person, but in this

553
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 1: case a woman with a slight build. And then they

554
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 1: went to the front of the house and at that

555
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: point in time, they knocked on the door and they

556
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: asked Brent Brown if anybody else was in the house.

557
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 1: He denied anybody else being in the house, and for them,

558
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: everything changed a point. They then decided to get a

559
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 1: search warrant and things began to unfold. And when you

560
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: say dan Coarcentina, they decided to get a search warrant.

561
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: It's not like they got in the car and drove

562
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,919
Speaker 1: to the courthouse. You can get a search warrant from

563
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: a magistrator judge over the phone. Absolutely, it was almost immediate,

564
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: and that's what they did in this case, based on

565
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: this person's untruthfulness, this sky light to their face. At

566
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: that point they got the search warrant and everything unfolded.

567
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: The entry began, the search begin and thank god again

568
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: this police department acted proactively. You know this guy, this

569
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: freaky dude perv. Brent Brown had also told the victim

570
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: that he had sent her phone to the Arizona Mexico

571
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: border so that no one could use it to locate her.

572
00:35:55,360 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: According to the police report, more psychological torture, and I

573
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: guess he said he got it back. You know, this

574
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: was ninety miles away from where she was in college. Guys,

575
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,959
Speaker 1: take a listen to our cut eleven Fox thirteen. Good morning,

576
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 1: mister Bren. Morning mister Brown. This morning, I'd just like

577
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,240
Speaker 1: to advise you about the charges against you and also

578
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: advise you of your rights. Brent Brown, the man accused

579
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: of kidnapping and assaulting a Snow College student, appeared in

580
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: court for the first time Wednesday. Brown also learned if

581
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: he would be granted bail, and the court friends at

582
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: the concern about perfect public safety has been established by

583
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: clearing convincing evidence, so on that basis. As for right now,

584
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 1: I'm going to hold you without bail. Brent Brown, who

585
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: is thirty nine, was arrested on Sunday and charged with rape,

586
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: object rape, aggravated kidnapping, aggravated sexual assault, aggravated assault, and

587
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,720
Speaker 1: obstruction of justice. After that nineteen year old Snow College

588
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: student who had been missing for several days, was found

589
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: held captive in a home in Looa. This guy, forty

590
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: years old, Brent Brown, asked the judge to release him

591
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: from jail because it would be nice to go home

592
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: for Christmas. Now, this is after he kidnapped and raped

593
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: a nineteen year old girl, found naked and covered in

594
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: coal dust trapped in his basement. It would quote be

595
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: nice to go home for Christmas. Has he lost his

596
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: mind after he rapes a girl, a teen girl and

597
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: keeps her trapped in his basement. I mean, I don't

598
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: understand that disconnect from reality? What about it? Stacy Honowitz? Well,

599
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 1: if you can't expect a defendant at this juncture to

600
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: say I did it all and let me stay in,

601
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,280
Speaker 1: I mean this is what There is a total disc connect.

602
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: This guy is a predator. This guy is online luring

603
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: girls taking them back. I mean, when you read the

604
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: facts in the case and you see what happened, you

605
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 1: realize there is a disconnect in reality. And if you notice,

606
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 1: it wasn't a defense attorney asking the court to set

607
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 1: a bond, because then he veteran defense attorney would know

608
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: that that is ludicrous to ask the court for a

609
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: bond on all these kinds of charges. So there is

610
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: a disconnect. We see it in all these cases. This

611
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: guy is a predator and the idea of meeting online

612
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: has become so prevalent that you wouldn't believe how many

613
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: of the cases we're seeing, Doctor Angie Arnold, what an

614
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:42,240
Speaker 1: alternate universe is he living in? For he says, Hey, Judge,

615
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,760
Speaker 1: can I go home for Christmas? What? Well, you know, Nancy.

616
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: We may find that he has become pretty successful at

617
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: this and he is living in an altered universe because

618
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 1: he's hiding behind these social media platforms. And so there

619
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: may be I mean, I he is living in an

620
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: altered universe because, for God's sake, NeSy, he thinks he

621
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 1: can take a young girl and put her in his

622
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: basement and use her as his sex slave for however long.

623
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: And what I'm scared about is how many times has

624
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 1: he done this in the past? What are we going

625
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: to find out about this guy? So, yes, he is

626
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: living in an altered universe, as they all do until

627
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 1: they are found out. He has now charge of the

628
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 1: obstruction of justice, aggravated kidnapping, rate an object rape. Stacy

629
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: Hanowan's what is object rape. Well, it's exactly what you

630
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 1: might think it is. It's not by any part of

631
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: the of the body. It's not by the genitalia or

632
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: the hands. It's by something. It's an object. So you know,

633
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: we don't we don't know what the facts are with

634
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: regard to that. Certainly once the case gets moving into

635
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: discoveries out there and think I know enough, Stacy, because

636
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: he's charged on only with rape, but object rape, aggravated

637
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: kidnapping and obstruction of justice. A stand right now, Christie Missuri.

638
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 1: The judges that thinking of letting him have a spring

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Speaker 1: break to go home. He is behind bars and Nancy,

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Speaker 1: one of the things that investigators have found out and

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Speaker 1: drilled down, so to speak, is that mister Brown was

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Speaker 1: no stranger to this messaging app. In fact, Kick has

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Speaker 1: been coming under investigation throughout the country and around the world.

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Speaker 1: So far it has been involved this messaging site in

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Speaker 1: eleven hundred sexual abuse cases. Wow, I can always count one,

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Speaker 1: Christie missurk for some uplifting knees. We wait as justice unfalls.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crimes story signing off, goodbye friend,