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Speaker 1: be a part of the program. We've got an update

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Speaker 1: on what's been happening. We know that the UPenn president

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Speaker 1: that being Mit, UPenn, and Havid. What's so interesting about

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Speaker 1: this It's now taken on a whole new meaning because

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Speaker 1: despite the crumbling reputation of Harvard's president or Havid's president,

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Speaker 1: Claudine Gay, they're going to keep her now Harvard University

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Speaker 1: through their support behind President Claudine Gay in the face

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Speaker 1: of these growing calls for her to resign over her

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Speaker 1: she's also had to address a very serious charge of

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Speaker 1: playerism that compounded concerns about her leadership. But in spite

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Speaker 1: of that, the Harvard Corporation and the university's highest governing

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Speaker 1: body said, quote, we unanimously stand in support of President

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Speaker 1: Gay in this statement sent out earlier this morning, as

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Speaker 1: members of the Harvard Corporation, We today reaffirm our support

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Speaker 1: for President Gay's continued leadership of Harvard, and the board said,

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Speaker 1: our extensive deliberations affirm our confidence the President Gay is

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Speaker 1: the right leader to help our community heal and to

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Speaker 1: The university said it learned of plagiarism allegations in October

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Speaker 1: regarding three of Miss Gay's articles, so it wasn't one incident,

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Speaker 1: a nineteen ninety seven doctoral thesis which became the focus

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Speaker 1: That's supposed to be a big no no in college.

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Speaker 1: Those statement, signed by the fellows of Harvard College, means

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Speaker 1: the former University of Pennsylvania president Liz McGill, who had

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Speaker 2: Gay, doctor Gay at Harvard. Does calling for the genocide

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Speaker 2: of Jews? Violate Harvard's rules of bullying and harassment?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Or no?

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Speaker 5: It can be depending on the context.

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Speaker 2: What's the context?

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Speaker 6: Targeted at as an individual, targeted at an individual.

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Speaker 2: It's targeted at Jewish students, Jewish individuals. Do you understand

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Speaker 2: your testimony is dehumanizing them? Do you understand that dehumanization

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Speaker 2: is part of antisemitism? I will ask you one more time.

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Speaker 2: Does calling for the genocide of Jews violate Harvard's rules

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Speaker 5: Or no? Anti Semitic rhetoric?

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Speaker 2: And is it anti Semitic rhetoric?

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Speaker 6: Anti Semitic rhetoric when it crosses into conduct that amounts

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Speaker 2: So the answer is yes, that calling for the genocide

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Speaker 3: Correct.

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Speaker 5: Again, it depends on the context.

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Speaker 2: It does not depend on the context. The answer is yes,

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Speaker 2: and this is why you should resign. These are unacceptable

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Speaker 1: Wow, very powerful joining us now or a good front

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Speaker 3: Is that true?

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Speaker 4: It is true. She lifted passages, only a couple of

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, then, what is your reaction before we

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Speaker 4: But let me tell you this, she never met the

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Speaker 4: far as I can see, she does not have any books,

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Speaker 4: and all her research is derivative of my research. And

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Speaker 4: it's not pleasurism in the sense that she copied passages

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Speaker 4: it hurts people like me in academia. Your statue, everything

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Speaker 4: Today I'm angry because there's no way that she should

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Speaker 4: her supporters have argued that's not pleasurism. So they're saying

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Speaker 4: that Harvard University decides what constitutes pleasurism. I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: Oh, they're certainly changing the definition and lowering the bar

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Speaker 1: What was your reaction to the questioning of at least

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Speaker 1: the phonic To Claudine Gay, it was a simple question about,

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Speaker 1: if you call for genocide of Jews, is that bullying

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Speaker 1: and harassment according to Harvard policy? And her answer is, well,

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Speaker 1: that was the murder and the raping, and the beheadings,

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Speaker 1: activity of October seventh, Sean.

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Speaker 4: We both know as well as the listeners out there,

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Speaker 4: if your students were black and the pro Hamas pro

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Speaker 4: And my book The Adversity of Diversity, I think doctor

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Speaker 4: It turns everything upside down. It hurts racial and ethnic minorities,

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Speaker 1: All right, quick break more with Carol Swain on the

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Speaker 3: It really is sad.

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Speaker 1: You know, these universities have been become woke, and yet

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Speaker 1: this double standard is being applied on a number of levels.

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Speaker 3: For her.

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Speaker 1: Now, I just happen to believe most HR departments can

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Speaker 1: that's optional, but treat your neighbor as you treat yourself,

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I agree, and I can tell you

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Speaker 1: You want to talk about disinformation or the federal censorship

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Speaker 3: Let me play this for you.

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Speaker 8: Nine months ago, I testified and provided evidence to the

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Speaker 1: Now Sean Davis, our friend with the Federalist He is

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Speaker 1: the CEO and the co founder. Sir, welcome back. How

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Speaker 1: are you, Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas, Happy Honkah, glad.

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Speaker 9: You with us, Merry Christmas. Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about this lawsuit and how applicable is this

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Speaker 9: I think it's all connected. Basically, what we have is

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Speaker 9: It's not foreign propaganda, it's not foreign terrorists. They're terrified

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Speaker 9: Of the State Department. There was a unit that they

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Speaker 9: It's farmed out its censorship activities to them and then pretended, oh,

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Speaker 9: Yes, well, and what's so insidious about it is that

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Speaker 9: But it also violates the law Federal losses that the

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Speaker 9: dissidents like you, like me, like the Daily Wire, like

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Speaker 1: I totally completely agree, all right, So what do you

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Speaker 9: So it is, well, we're very confident. We think we

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Speaker 1: But wait a minute, it sounds to me like you

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Speaker 9: Because we want I'm in this business. I'm doing what

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Speaker 9: So all we want is for them to stop doing this.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't agree with you more anyway, Sean Davis. Keep

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Speaker 7: Seventy thousand people. And Donald Trump is making that connection

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Speaker 7: with each and every person out there whenever you were

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Speaker 7: interviewing him, and I guarantee you, I'm sure you looked

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Speaker 7: out there at the crowd. You know, they just weren't

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Speaker 7: listening to Trump. They had that connection with him. And

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Speaker 7: the other thing that that I see these candidates talking

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Speaker 7: about it's always I and me and I and me

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Speaker 7: and I and me. The one thing that Trump Boyce says,

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Speaker 7: us and we and you know, you know, we built

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Speaker 7: And you know, the one thing that he always says,

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Speaker 7: you know, they're not after me, they're after us. Trump

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Speaker 7: is just in the way. But I mean, the man

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Speaker 7: makes a connection and that that is.

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Speaker 1: Listen, this is a phenomenon that in many ways I

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Speaker 1: can't even explain to you.

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Speaker 3: I mean, think about this.

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Speaker 1: It defies all conventional political gravity that you have a

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Speaker 1: presidential candidate that gets arrested and arraigned, and every time

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Speaker 1: it happens, his poll numbers go up.

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Speaker 3: They don't go down.

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Speaker 9: You see what's going on.

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Speaker 1: On paper, you could not explain that, but in reality

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Speaker 1: you can. And I think what the American people have

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Speaker 1: figured out is that the DOJ, the FBI, they have

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Speaker 1: been politicized, they have been weaponized, that we have a

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Speaker 1: dual justice system, that there's a fundamental menal corruption at

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Speaker 1: the core of all of this. And I think it

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Speaker 1: has caused people to rally to him. And then he's

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Speaker 1: got one other thing I think really working in his favor.

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Speaker 1: His policies worked, and his policies are simple, common sense

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Speaker 1: and they're very conservative. Now, I'm not saying anything bad. Look,

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Speaker 1: do I think Chris Christie belongs on that stage with

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Speaker 1: his I hate Donald Trump agenda. No, I think he's

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Speaker 1: a blow hard and it's a waste of time. Vivaked,

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Speaker 1: in my view, started out interesting to me. He's become

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Speaker 1: a little full of himself and he's never really been

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Speaker 1: a solid conservative with conservative credentials.

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Speaker 3: Now, in the.

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Speaker 1: Case of Governor DeSantis, I think he's done a great

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Speaker 1: job as the governor of Flora, a really good job,

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Speaker 1: and he's forty five years old. I think I could

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Speaker 1: see him one day being a president. I can see that.

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Speaker 1: Nikki Haley, you know, ran a conservative rant, you know,

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Speaker 1: a conservative state. She has a track record, She's a

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Speaker 1: serious candidate. They certainly deserve more attention in my view.

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Speaker 1: So but you know it's I don't think I could

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Speaker 1: take another shouting match with Christy and Vivek.

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Speaker 3: You know, it makes my ears hurt after a while.

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Speaker 7: The one thing that you know that you know, watching

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Speaker 7: the debate that you had with uh the Santis and Newsom,

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Speaker 7: you did a great job too. I thought, I thought

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Speaker 7: you were very right in the middle. You had the

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Speaker 7: facts and everything else like that. I want you Santas

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Speaker 7: on that debate, and I'm going, wow, I can I

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Speaker 7: could get behind this guy. I like the Santis, but

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Speaker 7: I'm watching him in the debates and I'm going, Okay,

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Speaker 7: where was where was the guy that was on Hannity

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Speaker 7: that was actually fighting Newsome.

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Speaker 1: Look, I'm not going to make an excuse, but I

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Speaker 1: can only tell you in an environment like that, when

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Speaker 1: you got so many people at a very limited time,

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Speaker 1: at thirty seconds, okay, you're finishing your answer, time is up.

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Speaker 3: Time is up. Time is up. You know, if you

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Speaker 3: remember what.

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Speaker 1: I said at the beginning of that debate, I said,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to try and give you guys room to breathe.

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Speaker 3: Here.

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Speaker 1: Now, let me explain what the system we had. We

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Speaker 1: had a green light meaning a't your time. We had

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Speaker 1: a yellow light meaning okay, wrap it up, and then

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Speaker 1: we had a red light meaning your time is up.

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Speaker 1: When the when the red light went off, I did

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Speaker 1: not stop either candidate unless I really had to, and

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Speaker 1: I let them finish their thought. I let the debate.

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Speaker 1: I even said I used the word during the debate.

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Speaker 1: I want to let this thing breathe and let you

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Speaker 1: guys have a conversation if you're willing to have it

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Speaker 1: without speaking over each other. And it got you know,

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Speaker 1: every once in a while, i'd have to say, please,

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Speaker 1: don't make me a home monitor. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: be Chris Wallace. And mostly they were cooperative. It got

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Speaker 1: it at a hand occasionally, but that's bound to happen.

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Speaker 1: And I I thought it was a very good substantive debate

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Speaker 1: and my questions were all fact based on the issues

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Speaker 1: that I think impact people the most. That's how I

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Speaker 1: approach that debate. I hope I succeeded in my mission.

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Speaker 1: Certainly a lot of people watched it, and I'm glad

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Speaker 1: that they did, and a lot more than watched the

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Speaker 1: last Republican primary debate. But I just think it lends

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Speaker 1: itself for people to stay more dialed in and focused

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Speaker 1: rather than you know, too many people on the stage.

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Speaker 1: I think I just don't see a lot of these people,

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Speaker 1: MEGANI far Anyway, I hope that answers your question. My friend,

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Speaker 1: Glad you're out there, thank you for your kind words.

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Speaker 1: It means more than you know. I hope you have

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Speaker 1: a great holiday. Eight hundred and ninety four one is

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