1 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: Pushkin Andre three thousand, best known as half of Atlanta's Outcast, 2 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 1: arguably the greatest hip hop duo of all time and 3 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: definitely one of the most gifted rappers ever. Outside of Atlanta. 4 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: Most rap fans first heard of Outcast in nineteen ninety 5 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: five when they got booed at the Source Awards after 6 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 1: winning Best New Artist. This was at the start of 7 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: the East Coast West Coast rivalry, and Andre threw down 8 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: the gauntlet, declaring the South got something to say. Andrea 9 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: and his partner Big Boy were the first Southern rappers 10 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:45,639 Speaker 1: to see the same sales success as any of their 11 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: East or West Coast counterparts. In two thousand and three, 12 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 1: They're double album speaker Box The Love Below was certified Diamond, 13 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: meaning it sold over ten million copies and artistically that 14 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: album remains one of the all time creative high water 15 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 1: marks and music. But as you're about to hear, Andre 16 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 1: is often haunted by his own legacy. He sat down 17 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,559 Speaker 1: for tea with Rick Rubin at Shangri La and talked 18 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: about how fame crippled his creativity and why it's so 19 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 1: hard for him to quiet the noise and make new music. 20 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: The rap fan of me, the music, fan of me, 21 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 1: the all things. Andre three thousand fan of me is 22 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: absolutely in love with this episode, and I think you're 23 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: gonna love it too. Enjoy. This is broken record line 24 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: of notes for the digital age. I'm just a mission. 25 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: Here's Rick Rubin with Andre three thousand from Shangri La. 26 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: When you were starting to make music, what would have 27 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: been the touchstone influences that got you'd want to actually 28 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: make music. I'll have to say Tribe and Dark Powell 29 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: snooping them and just it was when you at that 30 00:01:56,520 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: point of discovery as a kid and seeing these new 31 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: ways of doing things, these new ways of rapping, like 32 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: the way how our glyphics were rapping at the time, 33 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: it was completely new. Yeah, the phrasing was different, Yes, 34 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: the ending of words, man Eminem. We sat on the 35 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: phone about an hour talking about how our glyphics crew 36 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,679 Speaker 1: like how those words and we were trading Yeah, and 37 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: like their lyrics on the phone, like do you remember man, Yeah, 38 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: Like they sparked so much. They opened up a new 39 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: door for everybody, I think, and I think just to 40 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 1: be around that time and to be like we we 41 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: were out when Woo was out, We were out when 42 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: Nas was out so but we're from the South, so 43 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: it's kind of like we had to step up. Like 44 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: I think that was the best blessing. I know, people 45 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: look at the footage of us winning the Source Award 46 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,239 Speaker 1: and what I had to say on stage, like, oh 47 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: that was it was messed up. They're bing boo. But 48 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 1: I think that was the biggest blessing for us to 49 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: have to have to just be better. Yeah, to have 50 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 1: to fight and really prove that we were really in 51 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 1: to what we were doing. And I could understand how 52 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: they may have taken you know, first album is just 53 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: you know, just just some Southern you know, riding around 54 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: you know, Caliac smoking chick you know, smoking and eat 55 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: chicken Wayans kind of stuff like that. But it made 56 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: us have to be better because we were on the road. 57 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: We're on the road where Red Man, we were opening 58 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: up for these people, so we got that schooling, you know, 59 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: so we had to become we had to become better. 60 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: What's interesting about it too, is that you you did 61 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: become better, but you didn't become at all like any 62 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: of them. You know. It really was completely original, and 63 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: I think that's the reason why it's still holds up 64 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: to the test of time. Is I don't know anyone 65 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: who's really made music sense like the music that you made. 66 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: It's very unique. I would have to say that that 67 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: is because of the dungeon, like the kind of our incubator, 68 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: Like the dungeon was basically a house with us, you know, 69 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: goody mob pa. We were all in a basement, drum machines, 70 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 1: house speakers, you know, dirt, no no walls, actually dirt 71 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 1: where the furnace and all that kind of stuff was. 72 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: And that was a place where you you leave your job, 73 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 1: leave school. You'd come down there and you might smoke, 74 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: you might talk about issues. You but you rapping. So 75 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: I'm trading versus. Could you go over that? Trade versus? 76 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 1: Clow come trade versus. So it was at a certain 77 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 1: point we started building our own slang, you know, so 78 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: it became a world in itself. So we gained confidence 79 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: in ourselves. You know, like when I say king shit, 80 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: somebody else say king shit, we knew what that meant 81 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: because we would talk that way around the dungeon. So 82 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: a certain confidence and a certain building of our vocabulary 83 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 1: and building of our own styles. It was like we 84 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: were creating this own world. So by the time it 85 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: hit every everybody else it may have sounded like something else, 86 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 1: you know, but we were influenced by everything, and there 87 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: were times where I sounded Souls of mischief e. You know, 88 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 1: my very first rap that I remember writing out of 89 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 1: high school, which sounded cute, tippish, you know what I mean, 90 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: because that's what I'm listening to. It makes sense, you 91 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 1: know what I mean. Really found your own voice yet, 92 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: but you but you developed your skill as a writer 93 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: doing it like him, to find your way in yes, 94 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: and then eventually it's like, oh, well that's more like him, 95 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: and this other way it's more like me, right. Yeah. 96 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: I originally was at a club in LA in this 97 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: place where you know indie bands played like, you know, 98 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: first few shows you've ever played. And I saw a 99 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: band and I saw him perform, and they came and 100 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 1: asked me what I thought after performance, and I said, man, 101 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 1: you gotta keep keep going, you gotta keep doing it, 102 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: because it's like, yeah, man, we've been trying to decide 103 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 1: if we should wait till we get a deal before 104 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: we do shows. I was like, no, no, because you're 105 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 1: a training ground. Lets you know what you are, who 106 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: you are of course you want to sound like everybody 107 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: you love, but in the end you really don't. You 108 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: know what I mean, You don't, but you don't. You 109 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: don't get to that point until you've put it out 110 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 1: there and you've heard yourself sound horrible or you've heard 111 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 1: yourself sound exactly like something but not as good as 112 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,919 Speaker 1: what you love. Yes, it takes that time. So a 113 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: lot of our proven ground. We're in the dungeon, you know. 114 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: We didn't do it a lot of shows. To be honest, 115 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: it was and it took me to that point. It 116 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 1: took me a while to learn how to perform. Actually, 117 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: I mean I could write. I was more of a writer, 118 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 1: but even if you listen to the first album, I 119 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: couldn't even nuncey to say my words, you know, like 120 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 1: I wanted to, because those muscles weren't built, you know, 121 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: and people I don't understand that. Performing even vocally, it 122 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: is a muscle and you have to exercise it. And 123 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 1: the more you exercise it, the stronger you get. The 124 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: more you are in front of people, you know what works, 125 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: what doesn't work, and you can play with that and 126 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: bring it back into your writing, and you have more 127 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: confidence in your writing so all all those building moments 128 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: are important to find your your voice. Absolutely, and there's 129 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: really no shortcuts. It's you just have to do the word. 130 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: It's not and it's and it's hard, it's very it's 131 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: very hard. That I remember times where Rico Rico Wade. 132 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: There will be times where I would come down and 133 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: I say, check this out, and I would bust a 134 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: word for him, and he would just get up and 135 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: walk away. I say anything, and I would like, fun 136 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: wrong with him, you know what I mean, Like, damn, 137 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: this kind of disrespect, you know what I mean. But 138 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: it took me a minute to realize that, wouldn't it. Yeah, 139 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: And then I remember one time I maybe had smoke 140 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: to joint and then winning the in the booth, and 141 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: I was kind of out of it and I just 142 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: started rapping with my normal voice, like my speaking voice, 143 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:15,679 Speaker 1: and we said that's it, and that was it. Yeah. 144 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: It's amazing how those breakthroughs happen almost when you're not 145 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: really looking, you know, like when you're not paying attention, 146 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: something happens. You gotta move out the way, Yeah, but 147 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta work for moving out the way too, 148 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: You gotta you can't move out the way so far 149 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: that nothing happens. Yeah, so you have to work hard 150 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: and then wait for that moment. Was that there it is? Yeah, 151 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: you know, be open to recognizing it when it happens. Yeah, 152 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: but community, man, like, yeah, it's it's funny because and 153 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: thank you for the opportunity to be on this on 154 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: this podcast. But when I learned that I was coming, 155 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: and you know, I learned that it was you and 156 00:08:56,080 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: Malcolm's thing. I'd never read any of Malcolm's books, bought 157 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: them and then I went on on the road and 158 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: did something and I forgot to read them. So I 159 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: was like, all right, I'll of respect, let me read, 160 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: you know, at least read a book. And I don't 161 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: read much. I actually don't, and so I read outlies 162 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: and it, man, it blew my mind. It completely blew 163 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: my mind. And it really made me think of the 164 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: community that gives you opportunity to be all of this 165 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: and that's what the dungeon. Yeah, and had there not 166 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: been a dungeon, who knows what you would have done. 167 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: You know, like it really and that wasn't anything that 168 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: you decided to make happen. It's like so much of 169 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: it is chance. It was, Yeah, like things just happened. 170 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: The universe sets up a situation and something good happened, 171 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: something comes out of it. I was just talking about 172 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: that today earlier with my friend when I was going 173 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 1: to college or decided between going at NYU and University Chicago, 174 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: and had I gone to University Chicago, my whole life 175 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: would have been different because hip hop was happening in 176 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: New York and I happened to be there. But if 177 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: I was somewhere else, I wouldn't have known what was 178 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: going on there because I wouldn't have been in it. Yep. 179 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 1: And that's just luck. You know that has it is? 180 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 1: It's luck, it's chances. Maybe you were just supposed it 181 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 1: was supposed to happen to you, And I believe in 182 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: that as well. It's like it's like it's so much 183 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: of it is out of our control, but but I'm 184 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 1: always grateful when something good happens. You know. It's like 185 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: I know I can't make it happen, but I know 186 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: that I can be open to it happen. I'll invite 187 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: it in and welcome it and do everything I can 188 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: to best support this thing that arrives that I know 189 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: is bigger than me. Yes, you know, it's magical. It 190 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 1: really is. Magic really is. And it's the hardest part 191 00:10:55,559 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 1: of that is when something bad happens and feeling the 192 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: bad thing and remembering trying to separate ourselves from the 193 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: thing that happened that didn't work out or didn't go 194 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: the way we wanted it to go, and to say, Okay, 195 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: imagine that's a scene in a movie, I can't wait 196 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: to see what happens next, do you know what I mean, 197 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: instead of just sinking into the vibe, because because it's 198 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: the same, it's the same vibe of when the good 199 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 1: thing happens, it's the same. It's like, good things happen, 200 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 1: bad things happen. It's that's all part of life. Yeah, 201 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 1: And just sort of staying neutral and riding the wave. 202 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,079 Speaker 1: You know, I'm learning. I'm still learning that. You know. 203 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: It's hard. It's hard riding you say it, riding that waves. 204 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: It's hard because you dip down low. Sometimes you get stuck, 205 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: you know, absolutely, especially if you're used to the wave 206 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: going a certain way. Yes, you know, And I think 207 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: that's when you have to kind of lay yourself down 208 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: and kind of just let it be. Yeah, you know, 209 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: And that's that's hard. It's hard for me. Yes, it's 210 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: very hard for me. Yes, Well, you've been listening too 211 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: lately instrumental music. I was just turned on to Steve Wright. Wow. Great, 212 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: I just chest now, like and I'm like, what the 213 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: hell have I been? Because I knew Philip Glass. I 214 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: was always into Field Glass, but I never Then somebody said, well, 215 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 1: if you like Philip Glass, you'll love Steve right. Yeah, 216 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: like what I heard. I was like, what, Yeah, I've 217 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: been into a lot of a lot of instrumental music 218 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 1: now because I'm I just had a point where I 219 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:41,199 Speaker 1: sometimes I figure, like a lot of lyrics just bombarding, 220 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: you know. And I know it sounds crazy coming from 221 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: a rap artist, but I think sometimes, you know, just 222 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: sometimes the thoughts just just take over, you know, and 223 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:55,839 Speaker 1: then not necessarily anything you want to be a part of, 224 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 1: you want to party and you know. But I kind 225 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: of that I kind of like music that I can 226 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: have my own thoughts too. Yes, you know, that's kind 227 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: of where I've been lately. Beautiful. What's your process like 228 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: making music these days? Do you do you make much? 229 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 1: Not so much? How would you say? I haven't been 230 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: making much music? Man? My my focus is not there, 231 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 1: my confidence is not there. I tinker. I tinker a lot, 232 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: Like I'll just go to a piano and I'll set 233 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 1: my iPhone down and just record what I'm doing, move 234 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:37,959 Speaker 1: my fingers around and whatever happens. But I hadn't been 235 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: motivated to do a serious project. I'd like to, but 236 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 1: it's just it's just not coming in my in my 237 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: own self, I'm trying to figure out where do I 238 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: Where do I Where do I sit? And you know, 239 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: I don't I don't even know what I am And 240 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: maybe I'm nothing. Maybe I'm not supposed to be anything. 241 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: Maybe you know, my history is kind of handicapping in 242 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: a way. And so I'm just trying to find out 243 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: what makes me feel the best right now. And what 244 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: makes you feel the best is when I just do 245 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: these random, kind of instrumental kind of things. You know, 246 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: they make me feel that, they make me feel the 247 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: most rebellious. Yes, you know, I don't know. I have 248 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: a really rebellious but I don't like to go with 249 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: the flow. Really, I don't know why. Yes, but I 250 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: just feel best when I don't. Yes, you know, So 251 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: I have to honor that, understand, I have to honor 252 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: that in a way, you know, Oh for sure, for sure. 253 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:44,119 Speaker 1: I think so much of it isn't to be decided, 254 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: do you know what I'm saying. It's not. I don't 255 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: think it's to be figured out. I think it's more 256 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: to be I think you make a lot of you 257 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: start making a lot of things with no thinking of 258 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: what it's supposed to be or who's it for, what 259 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: anyone else is going to think. But just get in 260 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: the habit of making a lot. That's what I gotta 261 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: get back to me. Yeah, just make a lot. And 262 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: then at some point in that process you'd be like, 263 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: m I really like this. It didn't and you didn't know, 264 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: like through through that whole process, you don't know when 265 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: that's going to happen. Yeah, And it's not. It's not 266 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: a decision you make. And it's not an intellectual idea 267 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: where I have a vision and I'm going to make 268 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: this thing. It doesn't. It doesn't happen like there rarely 269 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: happens like that. It happens more just having fun making things. 270 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: No no stakes, you know, there's no nothing's on the 271 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: line to see. That's that's that's I'm got to say. 272 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: That's hard to do when everything is actually I mean 273 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: when the problem with being an artist, a successful artist, yes, 274 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: is you have to find a comfortable place to do 275 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: that again, Yes, but think about they come to place 276 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: to feel uncomfortable with what I'm saying. But the way 277 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: that you made the stuff that ended up being successful 278 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: wasn't made from a place of feeling any responsibility, right 279 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: because it because the attention wasn't there at all yet 280 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: in a way, you know, And it's kind of like 281 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: you were still proving yourself. And it's so I liken 282 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: it to like if you're a kid and you're in 283 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: your room, you're plan you know, with with toys and 284 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: you hops, and you you have this world going on. Yes, 285 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: the moment when your mom opens the door and says Andre, 286 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: that world kind of stops. Yes, you know what I mean. 287 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: So once the attention is on that world, that the 288 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: world goes away. So you got to find a way 289 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: to get back to that place to where you can 290 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: build those worlds again and not have the eyes or 291 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: like the judge, you know. And that's that's a that's 292 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: that's hard for me. It's really hard for me because 293 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 1: and I mean you see it everywhere now, any little 294 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 1: thing I put out is instantly like attacked, not not 295 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,959 Speaker 1: in a good or a bad way. Well well I'm 296 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: saying the the yeah, and people nitpick it like with 297 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: fine tooth comb, like oh he said that word, you 298 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: know what I mean? And that's that's not a great 299 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: place to to create from, you know what I mean. 300 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: And it makes you it makes you draw back, and 301 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 1: then maybe I don't have the confidence that I want 302 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 1: or the space to experiment like I used to. When 303 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 1: the stuff that people love from back then, it was 304 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: in a place you would free. Yeah, you free. You 305 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 1: didn't give a shit, you didn't care like because they didn't. 306 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: They didn't care. They ain't even like you. No, you 307 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: know what I mean. So it's like, great, don't like 308 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: what we're doing. Now we can just do what we're doing. 309 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: But the same holds true now. So now you can 310 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: make stuff that you as long as you like it. 311 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if they like it or not because 312 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: they hated you back then. It's the same. It's the same, 313 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 1: do you know what I'm saying. The only thing that's 314 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 1: changed is your point of view. Really, yes, nothing else 315 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: has changed, and that's that is within your control. You 316 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: can you can you can decide to read what someone 317 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: else says or give them that power, or you can 318 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: say they can think what they want and you Usually 319 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: here's another part of it. This is very interesting when 320 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: someone is critical of something you do, usually that's more 321 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 1: about them than it is about you. Do you know 322 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:43,640 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's like it's a that's what they 323 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: see because of who they are. It has nothing to 324 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: do with you, right, do you know what I'm saying? Well, 325 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: that's that brings to another point because I've noticed that 326 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: I'm very judgmental at this point of my own self. 327 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 1: So as that's saying that I'm just in a not 328 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 1: so great play, yes, you know, yeah, and I and 329 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,640 Speaker 1: I feel that I feel very judgmental and I hate it, 330 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: like I don't want to be judgmental. It's almost like 331 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: being a movie director but not being able to go 332 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: to the movie theater and see movies on Friday like 333 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: you used to, because you're judging every shot. Yes, you're 334 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: judging every light lighting situation. You're like, oh man, they 335 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 1: adr that one up. You know. It's it's kind of 336 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,120 Speaker 1: like how do you get away from that? Yeah, it's 337 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: almost like you know too much. Yes, yes, yeah, yes, 338 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: you know too much. And I think as you go along, 339 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:33,880 Speaker 1: you just got to find a way to break free 340 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: of everything you know. And that's very hard. That's very hard, 341 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 1: even even melody wise, like I'm getting sick of my 342 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: melodies because they're all they seem like they're tied to 343 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 1: something that I know, or so I try to just 344 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: throw notes anywhere just to try. Yeah. Yeah, and I 345 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 1: think that's that rebellious kind of unrespirit, that turn left 346 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: spirit when everybody's going this way because you're looking for 347 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: something else. But it's it's very it's very hard when 348 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: you've been doing it for so long. Understood it's very hard. 349 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 1: But moving forward to try to help work through this stuff, 350 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: make something to where you're happy you made it. That's 351 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 1: all like something you'd be happy to play for your friend. 352 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: That would be the ultimate. That's the ultimate. I mean 353 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: for me, if I make something, I'm excited to play 354 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: it for my friend. That's it. Yeah, you know what 355 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:28,239 Speaker 1: I mean. That's that's what I've that's what I've been 356 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: doing lately. That's it. That's that's that's the whole mission. Yeah, 357 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,679 Speaker 1: we'll be back with under three thousand after the break, 358 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: we're back with more of under three thousand. Growing up, 359 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 1: would you say you were hard on yourself or yeah, 360 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:48,360 Speaker 1: for sure. I think especially as a kid when you're 361 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 1: trying to fit in or trying to figure out what 362 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,880 Speaker 1: you are, Like am I cool like that? Or do 363 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 1: I want to be hanging with these people? Or do 364 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: what do they think of me? Or oh man, it's 365 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: this girl? Does she really like me? Or you know, 366 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:03,360 Speaker 1: am I cool enough for it? Like all of those 367 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: things that most kids go through. You get it, but 368 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: I think I think I think I did do it 369 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: a little bit more. And maybe because isolation and I 370 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: think when you're alone a lot you contemplate, yes, and 371 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 1: when you have a lot of time to contemplate, sometimes 372 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: it's not good. Yeah, you know. And so that's when 373 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 1: I said, like if I had brothers and sisters, yeah, 374 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have to worry about certain things with social 375 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:40,400 Speaker 1: anxieties order like I was diagnosed years ago and hypersensitivity 376 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: like with that kind of thing, isolation is not good. 377 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 1: But I feel most comfortable being isolated. So I spend 378 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:51,719 Speaker 1: ninety five percent of my time by myself, yes, you know, 379 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: and that that gives you time to analyze, and the 380 00:21:55,640 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: brain loves to find problems absolutely even if they're not there, absolutely, 381 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 1: and so the judgment will kind of analyzing. It's kind 382 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 1: of running book. Yeah, so you have to find ways 383 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: to break out of that kind of thing. And but 384 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 1: the other side of it is it's that same hypersensitivity 385 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,120 Speaker 1: that makes you a great artist. You know. It's like therapist, 386 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: my therapist, the same thing. It's the truth. It's the truth. 387 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:28,120 Speaker 1: It's it's like it's a blessing and a curse. Yeah, 388 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 1: it's harder to be in the world, but that's the gift, 389 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: and it's I know, it's it's man, it's there have 390 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 1: been times where I would like I've prayed, like prayed 391 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 1: to a god that I didn't even know it existed. Really, yes, 392 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: pray like I would rather you take this away from me, 393 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: all of this, and just if I could just feel 394 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 1: normal like that, if I could just feel normal, like 395 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 1: take voice, career, all that shit, you can have it, 396 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 1: if I could feel normal. Yes, But it don't work 397 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: like that. No, I just don't. It's really sad. But 398 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 1: that's why a lot of artists o D. That's why 399 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:07,880 Speaker 1: young artists die from drugs, is they're sensitive people. There's 400 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: all especially in success, there's all this emotion that no 401 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: one teaches us how to deal with. No, and it's weird. 402 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: Even people that you know for a long time start 403 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: acting different to you. Yes, and you start acting different 404 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: because they start at it's it's weird. It's the whole 405 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: the whole thing's unnatural. No one teaches you how to 406 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: deal with it, and it's it's crazy. It's a crazy 407 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 1: it's it make it's a crazy making process. Yes, and yes, 408 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,439 Speaker 1: and so people do stuff to try to just numb 409 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:44,439 Speaker 1: that pain. Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it 410 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 1: makes sense. It's self medication. You know. It's like I 411 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:54,640 Speaker 1: just don't want to feel everything all the time. I understand. Yeah, yeah, 412 00:23:54,680 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: you got it. You got Well, we're we're aliking many ways. Yeah, 413 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: and even a lot of people in the world too, 414 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: I'm finding you know, you know, it's I think we 415 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: do get it differently because of the career we've chosen 416 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:16,159 Speaker 1: or that chose us. But they're when researching you know, 417 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 1: this condition, there are kids that have it. Yeah, they 418 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: are kids that just don't know how to how to 419 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 1: deal in the world. Yes, in that way, you know, Yes, 420 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: and especially if your parents aren't as sensitive as you are. 421 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: Then it's really confusing. It's there, it's like they're the adults. 422 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: They're supposed to know everything. Yeah, and they don't even 423 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:43,439 Speaker 1: see this stuff that's happening. Yeah, and you can't explain it. No, 424 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: they don't want under They're just like, oh, why do 425 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: you think? Why? Why are you thinking about that? And 426 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: then I mean, I'm talking about the last fifteen twenty years. 427 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: I mean we're just now starting to get titles for 428 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 1: this stuff, you know, names that you call it. What 429 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: about the people that didn't have the names for it 430 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 1: back then, like or didn't have medicine for it? Absolutely, 431 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,360 Speaker 1: what do you do? Yeah, you know you can't sit 432 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: and have a conversation. Yeah, there's a social anxiety think 433 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: what Yeah, that wouldn't even invent it. Yeah, you know 434 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: we first started rapping none of those words will now 435 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 1: by polarism and you know, all that kind of stuff 436 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: is like it's almost like commonplace now yea. If someone 437 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: says I have anxiety, it's like, oh, okay, just go 438 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: take a nap. That's kind of what it's like now, 439 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: you know, because it's so common. Yeah, but it's it's 440 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 1: and it may have always been just no one knew right, 441 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 1: like you see, and people didn't want to look at 442 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 1: it or talk about it. And now people are more open, luckily, 443 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: because it's really because it's helpful to others feeling it. 444 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: We're not alone, yep, you know, it's so helpful to 445 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 1: know that I'm not the only person who feels this 446 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: way all the time. Yeah. It doesn't make it easier, no, 447 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: but but it's a little better. It's a little just 448 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: to be understood, that's it. Yeah. But here's another thing. 449 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 1: A friend of mine pointed out that when we talk 450 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: about isolation and certain societies, they don't have these things 451 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: like when you're like if it's not a chemical thing, 452 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: if it's a social thing, Like if you're in a 453 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 1: house with ten other people your family and you're all surviving, 454 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 1: you don't have time to have that yes, and you're 455 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: faced you you're faced with these people, so you don't 456 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 1: have a kind of like the social kind of dwarfing. 457 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 1: And that's interesting to me, you know. And also the 458 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 1: success part of it is a key piece of it too, 459 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:52,360 Speaker 1: because when you're when you suffer from depression, let's say, 460 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: and you feel like there's this whole in you. You 461 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: don't know what it is. You just know you feel bad, 462 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,439 Speaker 1: but you have this dream I'm gonna I'm gonna through music. 463 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,120 Speaker 1: I see these people doing this, and I love this. 464 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: And if when I do that, the hole's going to 465 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,719 Speaker 1: go away. Yeah, oh no, it's that. But but at 466 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: least during that time you have hope because you know, 467 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna work really hard because I want to feel 468 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,120 Speaker 1: better than I feel now. And you do all this work, 469 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: and that hole is the thing that allows you to 470 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:32,640 Speaker 1: have that drive and perspective to break through. And then 471 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,439 Speaker 1: you break through and your dreams come true, and the 472 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 1: hole is exactly the same, yes, and then your hope 473 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 1: it actually it works up a little bit more absolutely 474 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: because now now what I was spending all my time 475 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,479 Speaker 1: to my way of solving it, I did it, and 476 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 1: it didn't work at all. If anything, as you said, 477 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,640 Speaker 1: maybe it's worse. I can remember it's funny, and I'll 478 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 1: only remember this because they're happy to be a phone call. 479 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:02,679 Speaker 1: If it wasn't for this phone call, I would not 480 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 1: remember this story. But I had produced the first Beastie 481 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: Boys album. It came out and it was It became 482 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: the number one album in the country. And I remember 483 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: my music lawyer calling me and he said, you have 484 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: the number one album and in the country. How do 485 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:27,479 Speaker 1: you feel? And I said, I've never fret worse in 486 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 1: my whole life. Yeah, And it had that call not happened, 487 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 1: I wouldn't remember. I wouldn't remember how I felt. But 488 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 1: in that moment, because of the call, that's how I 489 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 1: was feeling terrible. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's yeah. And people 490 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: would think that that's the that's the best thing, Yeah, 491 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: the best thing to hear. But it has nothing to 492 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: do with it. It's like that's the other thing is 493 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: like it's a it's like a false until it happens, 494 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: you don't know. Because we're hopeful, you know, something's going 495 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: to make it better. If a dream comes true, that's 496 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: gonna make it better. Nope, or just to get the 497 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 1: acceptance you think that this will get. You will get love, 498 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, But you also get everything 499 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: else that comes with it too, absolutely absolutely. Yeah. In 500 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: a way, in success, it's more isolating, very more lonely 501 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 1: making and less community. And like we said, people treat 502 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: you differently, and it's hard to have regular conversation, not 503 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 1: because you don't want to it just it's like the 504 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: surrounding the whole world has changed. It's a bad plight. Yeah. 505 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: The more, the more, the more higher you climb, the 506 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: more success that you have, you become more and more isolated. 507 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 1: You spend more times in hotels. Yeah, you spend less 508 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: time around people. Yes, and your writing kind of goes 509 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: to ship too. Yeah when that starts to happen too, 510 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 1: because your life becomes about being on Yeah, it's just 511 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: not really interesting to talk about. Yeah. And another one 512 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: like once you're like I'm sad, you know, because I'm 513 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: successful alone and hear that ship no, or back on 514 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: the road again, like yeah, being on the bends who 515 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 1: just would tour forever? And all the songs were about 516 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 1: being on the road because that's all they had to 517 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: talk about. Yeah, and that and I don't I don't 518 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: like it, man. So you know, I try to. I 519 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: try to do things and I really get enjoyment. Like 520 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: I don't have bodyguards. Man, I'm my only child, so 521 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 1: I go everywhere by myself. You know. I actually love 522 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: to go to the laundromat and wash clothes like I 523 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 1: love that, man, Like I love being in as much 524 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: in the most normal place I can be yeah, you know, 525 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: because even if it's I mean, I could buy washing 526 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 1: and dry and wash it at home, but it's something 527 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: about going to the laundromat and sitting social. Yeah, it 528 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: is social, you know what I mean. Absolutely, it's something. 529 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 1: It's something about it. There's some I don't know, you 530 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: may know it. There's some blues artists that I think 531 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 1: he wrote a lyric that the song kind of story 532 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 1: went that he had gotten successful and now he's going 533 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: to have to hire a woman to break his heart 534 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: to be able to write blue songs, you know what 535 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: I mean. It's kind of like and that's a weird 536 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 1: place to be, yeah, you know. And that's why I 537 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: love new artists. That's why I love going to these 538 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 1: ship clubs and watching fands because I remember that feeling 539 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:33,959 Speaker 1: like and I know what it feels like to not 540 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: be known and when you're fighting to be known, yes, 541 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 1: and when you're doing it because you just love it. Yeah, 542 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 1: that's a different that's a different things, and that it's 543 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 1: not it's not. Nobody at those clubs are punching the 544 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: clock trying to get it done. Mmm. They gotta get 545 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: up in the morning and go to their real work. 546 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 1: And when you think about it, that when when that 547 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 1: cycle of being on the road all the time, when 548 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 1: that turns into a job. It's a grueling job, yeah, 549 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 1: it is, especially all the travel, flying. It's it's exhausting, 550 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 1: it's lonely, and all of it is for this, like 551 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 1: you know, an hour or two or and it's kind 552 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 1: of exciting because people like it. But even that, when 553 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 1: you've done the same thing for a while, starts feeling 554 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: like what am I doing? Yeah? I did this last night. Yeah, 555 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 1: I knew it became a problem for me, like years 556 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: years ago. I mean this had to be like fifteen 557 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 1: twenty years ago. I was on stage doing something, some song. 558 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: I don't remember what it was, but I've done it 559 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 1: so much that it was kind of just in my 560 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: scan and I'm you know, going through it and I'm 561 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 1: in it. Yeah, but I was thinking about what am 562 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 1: I going to eat tonight, get back to the hotel, 563 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: and I and that thought. Yeah, it freaked me out 564 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 1: because it was like I was on overdrive, yeah, but 565 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 1: I was somewhere else, yeah, autopilot. Yeah, it was just 566 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 1: going on yeah yeah yeah yeah. And at that point, 567 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 1: I think you just as the artist, I mean of 568 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 1: course you have responsibilities you gotta do. But you gotta 569 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 1: find a way to shake yourself up. You gotta find 570 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 1: a way to change it. And I hadn't toured in 571 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: ages man like, and I said, if I ever were 572 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 1: to get on stage again in that kind of way, 573 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 1: like it would be in the shittiest clubs ever. Yeah, 574 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 1: you know, it would be like like I want to 575 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 1: perform at all the flea markets around the world, you 576 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like, yeah, like it's just just 577 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 1: to feel something different. Yeah. Another thing too. The more 578 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 1: success you have, too, seems like the further the crowd 579 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 1: gets from you. Absolutely, so by the time you get 580 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 1: the festivals, yeah, they are twenty feet back. Yeah, you 581 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 1: can't even touch nobody. No, you can't, and you can't 582 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 1: like even see really faces lights on you, and it's 583 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 1: just sort of like a mass of people. It's like 584 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 1: they talk about that. It's like if if one person 585 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 1: gets in an accident gets killed, you really feel it 586 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: because of the personality the person. But when you read 587 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 1: you know that ten thousand people just died because of 588 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:21,880 Speaker 1: an earthquake, it's different because it it becomes faithless. The 589 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 1: more the more people, the more faithless it becomes and 590 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 1: you don't have that connection. It's not that one person 591 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:38,719 Speaker 1: in the front row. Yeah. Yeah, it's going good. Yeah yeah, 592 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,360 Speaker 1: that exchange. Yeah. We'll be back with more Rix Conversation 593 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 1: with Andre after the break. We're back with more RIX 594 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 1: Conversation with Andre. Three thousand. What type of meditation practice 595 00:34:53,480 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 1: do you do? None. I started messing around with bay clarinet, 596 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 1: and it's a breathing kind of thing, you know, and 597 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 1: so I would hope to My goal is to learn 598 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,360 Speaker 1: how to so that I can get my practice in 599 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 1: every day, to incorporate practicing and meditation, like with the 600 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 1: breathing in some kind of way, to make it one 601 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,800 Speaker 1: kind of thing, you know, so you know, I start 602 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 1: my day that way. Beautiful. How did you pick that instrument? 603 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 1: I was messing around with saxophone a little bit because 604 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,400 Speaker 1: listening to John cold Tran, So one day I was like, 605 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 1: I'm kind of one of those let me well, let 606 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 1: me just try it, let me just pick it up 607 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 1: kind of person. Yeah. So I didn't get lessons to anything. 608 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 1: I just I immediately had an armature that worked and 609 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 1: so I could get sound out of it. And then 610 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,919 Speaker 1: that moved me, and then I read the Cold Train 611 00:35:55,040 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: played clarinet first before he played saxophone, and so that 612 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 1: made me try clarinet. And so I had the normal 613 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 1: B flat clarinet. And one day it was in New 614 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 1: York on tour or something, and I went into this 615 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 1: used instrument shop and I saw a bass clarinet, US 616 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 1: bass clarinet, and I just got it. Yeah, and I 617 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,279 Speaker 1: never I never went back to the normal clarinet. The 618 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,880 Speaker 1: bass clarinet is where it sat for me, like the 619 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 1: deep tones, like I feel those tones, you know. And 620 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 1: I'm in a place where I've never been disciplined with anything, 621 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 1: and that's one of my biggest issues. I've always kind 622 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,920 Speaker 1: of just been so wired and just trying everything that 623 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:43,319 Speaker 1: I've never been great at anything. That it's important for 624 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:48,399 Speaker 1: me to try to really really dedicate myself to something, 625 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,359 Speaker 1: to lessons now. So I'm trying to take a little 626 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 1: bit more seriously. YEA, not for any goal anything, just 627 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 1: to yeah, to practice and to be able to play 628 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:03,719 Speaker 1: whatever here basically play whatever I wanna whatever, Yeah, play 629 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 1: whatever I'm hearing in my head, or really to play 630 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,319 Speaker 1: along with anything. That's one of my biggest goals to 631 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,319 Speaker 1: be able to if someone's in a park, singing something 632 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,879 Speaker 1: I can just come on in and just mess around. Yeah, 633 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,879 Speaker 1: that's those are like my biggest goals now. Our friend 634 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 1: of mine was laughing at me because I was like, 635 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,840 Speaker 1: you know, with with the history of what we've done 636 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,320 Speaker 1: so far, my goals are not grand at all anymore. 637 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,239 Speaker 1: My goals are like, I want to be able to 638 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 1: go to a park and just play. Yeah, I do 639 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 1: it sometimes, and I go to the beach sometimes, just play, 640 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,680 Speaker 1: go to a park. I'm not great, but yeah, I 641 00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:44,319 Speaker 1: want to be able to to soothe, you know, I 642 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,880 Speaker 1: want to be able to just kind of serenade or 643 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,279 Speaker 1: soothe by playing beautiful who who's ever around? You know, 644 00:37:51,400 --> 00:38:02,480 Speaker 1: beautiful m It felt like there was another influence in 645 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 1: your in your old work that wasn't coming from hip hop. 646 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,759 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, most of my influences early, so you have 647 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 1: to you have to like with with outcasts. It's kind 648 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,120 Speaker 1: of like even before we had our first album, I 649 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,439 Speaker 1: remember there were times in the Dungeon like big shit, 650 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,480 Speaker 1: let's paint our faces man, and just let's do like 651 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,239 Speaker 1: this kind of rockish kind of sound that's not hip 652 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,520 Speaker 1: hop at all, and then we go du rap. Like 653 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,960 Speaker 1: it was always searching for other things. Yeah, And I 654 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,319 Speaker 1: think that comes from the community once again, like because 655 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,839 Speaker 1: Dallas Austin was doing alternative things. Yeah, Joy had came 656 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 1: into town, she was doing alternative things, like she had 657 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,560 Speaker 1: brought the circus in the town, and so all those 658 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,560 Speaker 1: influences and we were we were kids, so we got 659 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 1: we we actually got to see Kurt Cobain perform on 660 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 1: TV like we were kids. But yeah, and I think, uh, 661 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,440 Speaker 1: and influences so much in a certain way. So those 662 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:05,360 Speaker 1: those acts were really really really like influence, even like 663 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,800 Speaker 1: Raging as a machine, like I wouldn't have I wouldn't 664 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,399 Speaker 1: have done bombs with a back that if it wasn't 665 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 1: for Raging inst a machine. Wow, Because I felt urgency 666 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:14,400 Speaker 1: in their music. So I was like, how can I 667 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:18,439 Speaker 1: add urgency to what we're doing? Yes, it doesn't sound 668 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:22,239 Speaker 1: like rage against the machine, no, but energetically yes yes. 669 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,160 Speaker 1: So you could playing back to back at the party 670 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:29,080 Speaker 1: and the same dancing would continue. It was it's the energy. Yeah. 671 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,080 Speaker 1: And I tell any musician, you know, when I meet 672 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,680 Speaker 1: people on the street, like well, what advice could could 673 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,080 Speaker 1: you give me? I was like, well, you have all 674 00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,799 Speaker 1: the answers, like you you have it the only thing 675 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:44,359 Speaker 1: I could say is listen to everything outside of your genre. Yes, 676 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,960 Speaker 1: a lot of times it'll help your genre. Yes, you 677 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:49,719 Speaker 1: know in some type of way. You know, because if 678 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,000 Speaker 1: everybody's kind of just listen to the exact same thing, 679 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,480 Speaker 1: it kind of gets like incession was a little maybe 680 00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,839 Speaker 1: you know, but you get it gets more. Say though, yes, 681 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,839 Speaker 1: this is the way to it's those combinations that make 682 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,680 Speaker 1: it new. Yeah. Yeah, But the beauty of it is 683 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,320 Speaker 1: is the new could be made by anybody, you know 684 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,040 Speaker 1: what I mean, It doesn't. You don't have to be 685 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:16,280 Speaker 1: new to make new. That's a good argument, it's true, 686 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:21,160 Speaker 1: because it's really more about it's the sensibility, you know, 687 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:26,480 Speaker 1: Like when Radiohead made kid A that was new Radiohead. 688 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,719 Speaker 1: Radiohead transformed from the band that they were, And when 689 00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,440 Speaker 1: I first heard it, I loved Radiohead, and when I 690 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:36,040 Speaker 1: first heard it, I was little taken aback. The same 691 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,320 Speaker 1: thing happened first time I heard eight O eights. Yeah, 692 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,840 Speaker 1: it's like, I don't do I want to hear Kanye singing? 693 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,760 Speaker 1: I don't know, Like this is not why I listened 694 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,640 Speaker 1: to Kanye. And it took a minute. And often those 695 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:52,440 Speaker 1: are the things that you come around to liking the best. 696 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:54,560 Speaker 1: It's like when the first time you hear it's like 697 00:40:54,600 --> 00:41:03,279 Speaker 1: you don't necessarily have the the framework understand, especially if 698 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,920 Speaker 1: you're expecting something different. So that's oh so that's a 699 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,960 Speaker 1: that's an important point because with the new artists, you're 700 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:14,520 Speaker 1: not expecting anything, so there's no expectation, right, So when 701 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,960 Speaker 1: someone that you like what they do makes a left turn, 702 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:26,120 Speaker 1: sometimes that's really jarring. Yes, yeah, I'm familiar man some people. Yeah, 703 00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,200 Speaker 1: but then it takes a minute and you realize, oh, 704 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,799 Speaker 1: like in both of those cases. Now, when I listen 705 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,560 Speaker 1: back today and it oates or two of my favorites, 706 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,720 Speaker 1: but maybe not the first time I heard them, Yeah, 707 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,759 Speaker 1: take a minute. Absolutely. When we were making Needs, it's 708 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,719 Speaker 1: a lot of I knew a lot of people were 709 00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:49,359 Speaker 1: not gonna like it, but we loved it, and I 710 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,799 Speaker 1: knew that probably people come around because it's really good. 711 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,440 Speaker 1: It's just not what they're expecting, right, And when you 712 00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,280 Speaker 1: give someone something that they're not expecting, that the first 713 00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:06,080 Speaker 1: instinct is that's not what I wanted. Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. 714 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,200 Speaker 1: You say you don't have to be new to make new. 715 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:12,239 Speaker 1: I agree, Yeah, you know, because I've been making music 716 00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,600 Speaker 1: for a long time. I've learned a lot of stuff 717 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,319 Speaker 1: along the way. But I don't let that get in 718 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:20,360 Speaker 1: the way. I don't let that impede the process of 719 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:28,359 Speaker 1: making something new. Right. Are there any examples of like 720 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:33,160 Speaker 1: bands or groups that have made new when they've been 721 00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,600 Speaker 1: around for a long time, Yes, and not not in 722 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,759 Speaker 1: your kid was the first one that I thought of. 723 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,239 Speaker 1: But but they but that was still a trajectory of 724 00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,920 Speaker 1: it was the band, but it was they were the 725 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:50,439 Speaker 1: bends was incredible. Okay Computer was you know, considered, They're 726 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,480 Speaker 1: like that's there, but it was going that way, or 727 00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,719 Speaker 1: even with Okay Computer, it was going that way, but 728 00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:59,000 Speaker 1: kid A was not continuing that. It was just left 729 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,560 Speaker 1: turn and a lot of people didn't like it, me 730 00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,520 Speaker 1: included at first first time I heard it. Then they 731 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,480 Speaker 1: were on Saturday Night Live and asked one performed some 732 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,080 Speaker 1: of those songs live, and then was my first cruise like, 733 00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,480 Speaker 1: oh I see what this is now? Like I couldn't 734 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,759 Speaker 1: really get it from the record at first, and then 735 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:21,240 Speaker 1: when I saw that, it helped me bridge my expectation 736 00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:27,719 Speaker 1: versus this beautiful new thing. Yeah, I struggle with that. Man, 737 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,839 Speaker 1: I struggle with the same too. You remember, like Paul 738 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:36,200 Speaker 1: Simon was already Paul Simon. He had been Simon and 739 00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:40,000 Speaker 1: Garfuncle and made a load of hits as Paul Simon. Yeah, 740 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,440 Speaker 1: some might have thought he was sort of on the 741 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:46,520 Speaker 1: down swing, and then he made Graceland and that was 742 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,799 Speaker 1: one of his biggest albums. And in the case of 743 00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,359 Speaker 1: we were talking about the Beatles earlier, Sergeant Pepper, that 744 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,000 Speaker 1: was the case. The reason it's called Sergeant Pepper's Lonely 745 00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:59,120 Speaker 1: Hearts Club Band was I think it was Paul who 746 00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,200 Speaker 1: had the idea of the Beatles are so big and 747 00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:06,680 Speaker 1: so familiar, to make something new. Let's become a different band, 748 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:11,279 Speaker 1: and let's let's play the characters of Sergeant Pepper and 749 00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,160 Speaker 1: his Lonely Hearts called band. What do they sound like? 750 00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:18,000 Speaker 1: And now we're free? And it's just and it's both, 751 00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,880 Speaker 1: and it was both even for them as writers. It 752 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:27,879 Speaker 1: was a way just to stimulate, stimulate writing. Yeah, it's 753 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,360 Speaker 1: an exercise sometimes I give artists to do is to 754 00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,839 Speaker 1: and this might be a fun one for you, is 755 00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,799 Speaker 1: pick an artist, pick one of your favorite artists, could 756 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,160 Speaker 1: be whoever it is, could be Prince, could be whoever. 757 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:44,279 Speaker 1: And let's say you had a chance for to write 758 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,640 Speaker 1: a song for Prince to do, and write a song 759 00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,720 Speaker 1: with the idea of this is a song I'm gonna 760 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,600 Speaker 1: get Prince to sing, yeah, because it would be completely 761 00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,560 Speaker 1: different than what you'd write for yourself. Yeah, No, exactly 762 00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:02,200 Speaker 1: the song Prototype, I actually wrote it in mind for 763 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,520 Speaker 1: Janet Jackson to sing. I wanted to just submit for 764 00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,239 Speaker 1: her to sing that song. She probably don't even know it, 765 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:12,920 Speaker 1: but Prototype was written in that way. And once I 766 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,879 Speaker 1: lay down, you know, Demo, it's like, uh, it feels better. 767 00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,600 Speaker 1: It feels really you know if I did it. Yeah, 768 00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:25,640 Speaker 1: and another song She's alive on the Love Below, like 769 00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:27,839 Speaker 1: I really wanted to need a Baker to sing it, yea. 770 00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,560 Speaker 1: And so it's my bad version of a need a Bakery. 771 00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,200 Speaker 1: And I know it doesn't sound like it, but that's 772 00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:40,759 Speaker 1: kind of That's kind of how how it is. This 773 00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,040 Speaker 1: is one of those conversations I could have gone on forever, 774 00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,480 Speaker 1: and in fact it did. Rick and Andre continued talking 775 00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,200 Speaker 1: about how Andre played the flute for random Starbucks customers 776 00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,680 Speaker 1: before the interview, about mystical experiences, their shared love of 777 00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,759 Speaker 1: James Blake, and so much more. But this is where 778 00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,160 Speaker 1: we'll have to leave it for now. Are sin serious? 779 00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,640 Speaker 1: Thanks to Andrew two thousand for his music and his words. 780 00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,640 Speaker 1: We'll be back on Thursday with an episode from Brittany 781 00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,480 Speaker 1: Howard of the Alabama Shakes, and then Broken Record is 782 00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,920 Speaker 1: going on a short hiatus, but when we back up 783 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,279 Speaker 1: in January with episodes of the podcast, and I'm really 784 00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:15,600 Speaker 1: excited to share Ozzy Osbourne, was Sharon Bob Were, Kenny Beats, 785 00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:19,080 Speaker 1: Booker TV and Gez Nick Lowe, The XX and more 786 00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:21,000 Speaker 1: for now. If you'd like to hear a curate in 787 00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,520 Speaker 1: playlist of Andre's music or any of our other past shows, 788 00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,520 Speaker 1: check us out at Broken Record podcast dot com. You 789 00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,560 Speaker 1: can also sign up for a behind the scenes newsletter 790 00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,880 Speaker 1: while are you there. Broken Records producing help from Jason Gambrel, 791 00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,600 Speaker 1: Neil Lobell, and Lea Rose for Pushkin Industries. Our theme 792 00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,640 Speaker 1: music is by the great producer Kenny Beats. I'm justin Richmond. 793 00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:39,560 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening.