1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the Herd Podcast. Be sure to 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in 3 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 1: noon to three eastern nine am to noone Pacific. Find 4 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio 5 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: dot com, or stream us live every day on the 6 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. Thanks 7 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 1: for listening to the Herd podcast. 8 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 2: All right back here on the Herd. Oh boy, listen 9 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 2: this next guest. I've known this guy, I don't know, 10 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 2: Probby since I got here to FS one like nine 11 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 2: years ago, and we would run into each other, and 12 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 2: he was a little taken aback by some of my takes. 13 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 2: I had to take him to school, you know. And 14 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 2: then the old dog taught me some new tricks. So 15 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 2: let's begin Christmas. Ard. 16 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 3: First things first, demand them. You didn't tell the story. 17 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 4: You didn't tell the story about how when you were 18 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 4: a cub reporter in New York. Yes, I was the 19 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 4: only vet that was kind to you, that is all. 20 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 4: Everybody else was blowing you off, and I was kind 21 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 4: to you. 22 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 2: So I was this young guy at a newspaper in 23 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 2: Jersey and I was crushing it, and I had a 24 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 2: couple job offers, so they were like, oh, we got 25 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 2: to throw back and Tyra bone to keep him in. 26 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 2: So I went to a USA basketball thing in Madison 27 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,479 Speaker 2: Square Garden and I walk in wide eyed. I'm trying 28 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 2: to talk to people. Hey, where do I plug in 29 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 2: my computer? And these guys are brushing me off, and 30 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 2: Bruceard's like, hey, young fella, takes me under his wing. Listen, 31 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 2: Bruce Ard is a great guy. I like how you 32 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 2: were in a Jets tie your shows in New York. 33 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 2: How much Jets gonna do this season? 34 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 3: Brew? What are we looking at? Ten and seven? 35 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 5: Look? 36 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 3: Justin Field? 37 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,479 Speaker 4: No, I'm not going ten and seven. I'm excited about 38 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 4: Aaron Glenn. I'm somewhat excited to see Justin Fields. I 39 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 4: think they will cater the offense to him. They won't 40 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 4: try to fit him into a square peg into a circle, 41 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 4: so I think he'll be okay. 42 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:49,559 Speaker 3: But I'm not going ten and seven. They're not making 43 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 3: the playoffs. 44 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 2: All right? What big talking point so far today is 45 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 2: this quarterback list that came out. 46 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 3: I'm sure you guys are going to chop. 47 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 2: It up on first things first next, but Brew, I 48 00:01:58,760 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 2: got to ask you. 49 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 3: I had some issues with the list. I did my own. 50 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 2: I had Patrick Mahomes coming in at four, coming off 51 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 2: his worst season as a pro. I had Brock Purty 52 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 2: in there. I love Jalen Hurts it five. I'm just 53 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 2: curious if we could get my list on the screen 54 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 2: and you want to kind of poke holes in it. 55 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 2: I mean, there's really not a lot you can do. 56 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 2: I know you're good at this, but this is kind 57 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 2: of at previous. 58 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes is number one. What are you talking about? 59 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 4: He is in a category by himself. Okay, I will 60 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 4: give you if this season he. 61 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 3: Comes out and plays the mediocre. 62 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 4: By his standards type of football he did last year 63 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 4: and there they win ten or eleven games, get bounced 64 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 4: in the first or second round of the playoffs. Sure, 65 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 4: then you can move him down, but until further notice, 66 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 4: he is the best. Not much of a receiving. 67 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 3: Corps at all. 68 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 4: Last year, offensive line on the blink, and yet he 69 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 4: still goes fifteen and one and gets his team to 70 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 4: the Super Bowl. I'm sorry. He is the best. He's 71 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 4: the best quarterback I've ever seen, period. He's not the goat, 72 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 4: yet He's got to do more and win more championships 73 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 4: to get to Brady, But come on, man, the dude 74 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 4: is number one. He's in the category of his own. 75 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 4: Outside of that, I'm putting Lamar ahead of Joe Burrow. 76 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 4: If your argument for Josh Allen what he has been 77 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 4: better in the postseason than Lamar, But right now, I 78 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 4: would say I would put Lamar in two. But I 79 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 4: understand the playoff argument. I think you I like Hurts 80 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 4: like you do. But and I get it, it's only 81 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 4: one year. But right now I'm going with jayde and 82 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 4: Daniels at five. 83 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 3: A lot of Jade Daniels. 84 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, the poise he showed, the clutch play that he showed. 85 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 4: He didn't have the greatest weapons, you know, outside of 86 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 4: Terry McLaurin. So he is a special quarterback, best rookie 87 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 4: season we've ever seen. 88 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 3: I'll put him at five. 89 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 2: All right, let's pivot to the NBA brew before we 90 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 2: get to Lebron. I know he's your guy, you know 91 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 2: Lebron and his camp forever. I want to start with 92 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 2: Cooper Flag. There's a lot of doubters. I heard some 93 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 2: people say, hey, he could he could be aimed andre 94 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 2: Kirolinko in the pros. I was like, come on, guys, sorry, 95 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 2: Baron Davis, that's not happening. They didn't shut down Andre 96 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 2: Kirolinko after two Summer League games. But Cooper Flag is 97 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 2: going to be the truth. I said he could be 98 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 2: a Kevin Garnett type player. Obviously not the MVP right 99 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 2: out of the gate, but I love the defense to 100 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 2: handle everything about his game just scream superstar. Where are 101 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 2: you on Cooper Flag after two Summer League games? 102 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 4: Well, I think he'll be a better score than Garnet. 103 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 4: Like offensively, he can do it all. He can shoot 104 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 4: the three, he's got the mid range shot. He can 105 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 4: post a little bit, and I think we'll post better 106 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 4: as his career goes on. He can, you know, lead 107 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 4: the fast break, can obviously take it to the hole 108 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 4: and dunk, so he can do I think his offensive 109 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 4: package is way better than Garnet's, you know, when you 110 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 4: you know you compare those two. But I think he 111 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 4: can be a superstar like his the ceiling is superstar 112 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 4: MVP candidate, you know, and maybe winning it a time 113 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 4: or two. I'm not saying he'll definitely be there. What 114 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 4: I have said is he's definitely a star. The question 115 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 4: is will he be a superstar? And I get that 116 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 4: he struggled in the first game in the Summer League. 117 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 3: Where he really struggled was just that his shot wasn't falling. 118 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 4: You know, he did everything else well, he led the break, 119 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 4: He obviously had the big defensive play and the assist 120 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 4: while leading the break at the end of the game 121 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 4: to win it. And then I you know what, I 122 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,359 Speaker 4: like Jay Matt. He knew he said it was. I 123 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,039 Speaker 4: think it's worst game or one of his worst games 124 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 4: of his life. 125 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 3: Right, what does he do? I like the fact that he. 126 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 4: Clearly looked in the mirror, was upset with himself, and 127 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 4: then goes out the next night and scores half of 128 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 4: his team's points with thirty one Like that. 129 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 3: Shows a dog. And people have questioned that, like wondered, 130 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 3: does he have that inn? Will he take over? Does 131 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 3: he let the game come to him too much? 132 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 4: In that game too in the Summer League, he took over. 133 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 4: And I like the way he responded to a disappointing 134 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 4: game one. So yeah, I think he is the truth 135 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 4: and great great luck and fortune for the Dallas Maps. 136 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, fortune favors the bold. I think something nonsense said. 137 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 2: Let me just ask you. This just came to me 138 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 2: listening to you gas up Flag, seems like we're on 139 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 2: the same page. I'm gonna ask you, Chris, if you're 140 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 2: building an NBA team and I said, next seven years, 141 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 2: you've got him locked up. Are you taking Cooper Flag 142 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 2: or SGA? 143 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 4: SGS Oh remember SGAG stop it? 144 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't. 145 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 4: We don't know that Cooper Flag will ever as much 146 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 4: as I like you, will ever be the number one 147 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 4: player and lead a team. 148 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 3: To a championship. That's totally up in the air. SGA. 149 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,359 Speaker 4: He has done it at the age of twenty six. Oh, 150 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 4: by the way, doing it with the young the second 151 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:06,919 Speaker 4: youngest team ever. 152 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 3: To win an NBA championship. 153 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 4: No, and here's the other thing, j Matt, SGA still 154 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 4: has plenty of room to grow. His three point shot 155 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 4: is nowhere near where it will be over the next 156 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 4: two three, four years, So he. 157 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 3: Can get even better. Wow. 158 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 4: And so there's no question it ain't look Flag looks 159 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 4: like it'll be a good defender. But SJA also plays 160 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 4: defense like no, no question SGA all day. 161 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 2: Wow, that's a surprise. Honestly, I would take like six 162 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 2: or seven guys over SGA. One Ben Yama, why do 163 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 2: you take over SGA? 164 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 4: Hell, yes, Winny, Okay, I'm not putting Cooper Flag at 165 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 4: Wimby's on Wimby's tier, are you well? 166 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 3: We'll see after a year. 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New episodes drop every Thursday, so do your 176 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 6: sofa favor and listen to Inside the Parker with Rob 177 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 6: Parker on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcast. 178 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 2: I asked Rick Buker over under one and a half 179 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:33,839 Speaker 2: MVPs for Cooper Flag in his career. 180 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 3: I took the over. Well, here's look I said it. 181 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 3: The ceiling for Cooper Flag is superstar. The ceiling. 182 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 4: I'm not predicting this, but the ceiling for Victor Winbanyama is. 183 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 3: Got tell us that's the ceiling. He can't be to go. 184 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 4: Is that where you're telling you he can't be to go? Okay, 185 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 4: how many guys are you saying could be the go him? 186 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 3: Who else? Right now? Are we looking at that? They disagree? 187 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 3: But I do think given. 188 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 2: What he's accomplished through his first six or seven seasons, 189 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,559 Speaker 2: I think Luka Doncic could be in the goat. 190 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 3: His numbers are going to be there, for sure. Defense 191 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 3: isn't there. 192 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 4: The defense is not there, but you know what he's 193 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 4: gonna look Ron Jordans, they were great defenders obviously win Binyama. 194 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 4: So when you talk about goat, you nitpick, and that 195 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 4: would be a knit to pick on Luca. 196 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, the defense is not quite there. By the way, 197 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 3: let's talk about Luca on the Lakers. Luca's getting a 198 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 3: little skinnier. 199 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 2: By the way, do you believe this Luca's thin and 200 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:37,439 Speaker 2: he's Are you believing this based on pictures seeing Luca 201 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,319 Speaker 2: at at at a Jordan party and you know, Greece 202 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 2: or wherever he was over, he. 203 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 3: Didn't look he did look awfully thin. I mean it 204 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 3: was noticeably. 205 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 4: Come on, I don't know, he's looked good in the 206 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:52,959 Speaker 4: you know, in the summers before. Right, we've looked at him. 207 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 4: Oh wow, Luca's slimming down. But I will say this, 208 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 4: I mean, obviously playing with Lebron James may change your 209 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 4: perspective for a positive, right. 210 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 3: You look at the way Lebron works, You look at him. 211 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 4: Doing what he's doing at forty years old, and you 212 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 4: may be I would think a competitor would say, man, 213 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 4: I'm gonna start doing some of that stuff. 214 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 3: So that could be good for Luca. 215 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 4: And also he is entering that like you talked about 216 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:21,959 Speaker 4: what he's done over the first six years of his career, 217 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 4: and he's been phenomenal. I love Luca, but doesn't yet 218 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 4: have an MVP and obviously doesn't have a championship, and 219 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 4: so he is now at that stage jamac where until 220 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 4: he wins a ring, there is going to be a 221 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 4: little bit of criticism of him. 222 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 3: Like people will give him. 223 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 4: Love, don't get me wrong, but it'll be like, okay, 224 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:47,959 Speaker 4: when you're gonna win and they've all faced it, Jordan Lebron, 225 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 4: everyone who has taken several years to win as probably 226 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:54,679 Speaker 4: the best player, one of the best players in the league, 227 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 4: gets starts to get that criticism, and that can spark 228 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 4: you to work, work, harder, and so I think this 229 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 4: could be good for Luke. He's getting a little bit 230 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 4: of criticism and so now I think that can spark 231 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 4: him to work harder on defense, work harder on his body, 232 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 4: and come back as an even better player. 233 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 3: Yeah. 234 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 2: I'm trying to look it up, Bru, but it looks 235 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 2: like Lebron and Jordan both won their first title at 236 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 2: twenty seven. 237 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 3: Is that accurate? Right around there? So Luca's like right 238 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 3: in line with that. 239 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 2: It's not a big it's not a race, just you 240 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:26,199 Speaker 2: can get the first title, you know, it's a marathon. 241 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 2: And watching Luca work again, I know people don't like 242 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 2: when I hear putting Luca on the goat, but he 243 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 2: makes everyone around him better the way Magic did, the 244 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 2: way Lebron did, the way Jokic does. 245 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 3: Different from Magic. 246 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:44,079 Speaker 4: Here's why certain players he does make better, And say 247 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 4: with Lebron, they make certain players better. But because this 248 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 4: way Lebron was in his prime, because they are so 249 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 4: ball dominant, it is tough to fit pieces. 250 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 3: Around them right. 251 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,439 Speaker 4: You have to fit the right pieces around like Magic 252 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 4: was different. Magic was such such a great playmaker that 253 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 4: everyone on the team could be the best version of themselves. 254 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:08,199 Speaker 3: You haven't seen that with Lebron through his career or 255 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 3: Luca through his career. 256 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 4: And that's that's just the ball dominant era. Some of 257 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 4: these guys are just too ball dominant. But Luca is 258 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 4: phenomenal obviously, and so I'm just pointing that out. 259 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 2: Ball dominant, like the free throw merchant SGA. Anyways, let's 260 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 2: quickly go. So I'm just some heat on Friday for 261 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 2: DeAndre Ayton. Listen, statistically, just statistically, first seven years averaging 262 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 2: fifteen and ten and shooting fifty percent. 263 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 3: In a class. 264 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 2: Listen, that's pretty good for centers, especially in this era 265 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 2: where it's not really they're. 266 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 3: Not getting the ball as much. 267 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 2: So I think Eyton is a steal at eight million 268 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 2: dollars when you consider Rudy Goberts at like thirty five mil, 269 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 2: I would take eight and at eight mili over him. 270 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:51,839 Speaker 3: However, it's DeAndre Ayton. 271 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 2: He was a malcontent in Portland, he was kind of 272 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 2: lazy in Phoenix. 273 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 3: Do you think he can turn it around playing with 274 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 3: Luca and Lebron. Yeah, I'm with you on that. 275 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 4: Now. 276 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 3: I don't know how far you went, how you were 277 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 3: talking about a class you put him in what class 278 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 3: did you actually put him in? 279 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 2: So the guys who are fifteen ten and fifty percent 280 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 2: shooting are our centers like Jannis and Jokic and elite guys. 281 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 2: And again, statistically he's in that, not in that he's. 282 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 3: Not as good as Nobody would say that, come on, 283 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 3: what other than you? Apparently? But uh. 284 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 4: No, but look, I I otherwise, I'm otherwise beyond saying 285 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 4: he's with Giannis and Jokic. I'm with you, all right, 286 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 4: I agree. I think I don't understand why certain people 287 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 4: have payned this move to get DeAndre Ayden intradiculously. People 288 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 4: love the Mark Williams acquisition. Right today, obviously killed he's 289 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 4: better than Mark Williams statistically and period. Okay, he's gonna 290 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 4: be a great fit with Luca. He obviously will be 291 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 4: great on the live from Luca. And then he's got 292 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 4: the short mid range shot that is darned near automatic. 293 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 3: I mean, he really is good at that level. 294 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 4: What I want to see from DeAndre Ayton his problem 295 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 4: has really been his attitude, moodiness. 296 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 3: His motor, a lack thereof. 297 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 4: At times, I want to see him say, look, I'm 298 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 4: playing with the best player of this generation and another 299 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 4: guy that could be the best player of his generation 300 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 4: in Luca, we have a chance to do something special. 301 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 4: I'm giving my awe or the defensive end, and then 302 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 4: don't be so moody again, like Luka, learn from Lebron 303 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 4: is example. 304 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 3: And I agree with you. I think it was a 305 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 3: great move by the Lakers. 306 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 4: I'm not saying it puts him over the top to 307 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 4: win the championship, but I think it was a great move. 308 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 4: And look, they're right there. I think right now you 309 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 4: would say, Okay, see Denver, Houston and Minnesota are better 310 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 4: than the Lakers, but the Lakers are good enough where 311 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 4: there's hope. 312 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 3: Like they should go out there, like we have hope 313 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 3: that we can do something special this year. If the 314 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 3: Lakers get Bradley Beal, they're the favorites of the West. 315 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 3: Let's quickly go to Lebron. Oh, no, stop that, let's 316 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 3: go to Lebron. 317 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 2: I have to ask you about this. You know this 318 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 2: guy as well as anybody. He's been leaving bred crumbs 319 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 2: on social media for a couple weeks now. He's using 320 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 2: Rich Paul to get his take out that he's not 321 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 2: happy with the Lakers, not really feeling the love from 322 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 2: Polinka and company. They're good, they're showering Luca. Please tell 323 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 2: the audience there's zero chance Lebron's getting traded. 324 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 3: Zero, they're not. 325 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 4: I won't say, I won't say zero, but I am 326 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 4: with you. I don't think he's getting traded. I think 327 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 4: he starts the season with the Lakers. Now, if for 328 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 4: some reason it goes terrible, would they try to move 329 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 4: him at the deadline, maybe get him to a team 330 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 4: with a chance to do something in the playoffs. Yeah, 331 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 4: something like that. But I don't see it going terrible. Right, 332 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 4: they were fifteen and eight with Lebron and Luca last 333 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 4: year and Jay Mac the teams they beat. They beat 334 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 4: Houston twice, they beat Denver twice, they beat Oklahoma City, 335 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 4: they beat New York, they beat Indiana. Like those fifteen 336 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 4: wins weren't against chump change. 337 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 3: Like, they weren't playing good basketball. 338 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 4: And that was on the fly, right, that was where 339 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 4: a roster not built around Luca. 340 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 3: It was on the fly. Lebron had to all of 341 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 3: a sudden adjust to be. 342 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 4: In the second guy offensively, and they still played good basketball. 343 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 3: So you would expect them to be better. 344 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 4: You know, JJ Reddick has spent all offseason trying to 345 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 4: figure out what's the best way to maximize Lebron and 346 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 4: Luca and the other parts. 347 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 3: Together. 348 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 4: You add a good sinner and DeAndre Ayton that you 349 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 4: didn't have a year ago. 350 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 3: Like again, I'm not. 351 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 4: Predicting at this moment that they're gonna win the championship. 352 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 4: But if I'm the Lakers, I'm saying we are one 353 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 4: of a handful of teams with two All NBA level 354 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 4: players in Luca and Lebron, and we've got a good 355 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 4: cast of role players. Now they need more athleticism on 356 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 4: the wing, they need more shooting, got to be but 357 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 4: they're good enough where you can, as I said, you 358 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 4: should go into this season hopeful. So look, if I 359 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 4: could get this isn't even possible because of the second 360 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 4: Apron rules and stuff, But if I could get like 361 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 4: Darius Garland and Jared Allen for Lebron, I would do 362 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:21,360 Speaker 4: if I'm like, now you have Ayton, so you may 363 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 4: not need Alan those contracts, that type of passage, you know, 364 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 4: but those are but those are guys that can play 365 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 4: off Luca in the future and the present. See Darius 366 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 4: Garland I think would be good off Luca because he. 367 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 3: Can shoot, and then obviously Allen with. 368 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 4: The defense and finishing at the rim off Luca would 369 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 4: be good. So I'm looking at them as guys that 370 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 4: would help you be good in the present and beyond. 371 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 4: So I would do that, but again that's not even possible, 372 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:49,640 Speaker 4: so I don't. 373 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't see the Lakers. 374 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 2: When the Suns get rid of Bradley Beal, the Lakers 375 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 2: could get it for five million dollars. Bradley Beal is 376 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 2: the missing piece. You can just go ahead and get 377 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 2: the parade ready for the Lakers if they get Bradley Beal. 378 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 3: I know the people. 379 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 4: I am not nearly and I like watching it. I'm 380 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 4: just first of all, I'm not sure they'd even get Bill. 381 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 4: You know, obviously he's gonna have a lot of options, 382 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 4: but I don't know that he wants to go there 383 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 4: and be at best the third banana like he would 384 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 4: come off the bench. 385 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 3: Right so you want to win. I don't know that. 386 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 3: I'm not sure. I haven't talked to it. 387 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 4: I don't know that he wants to do that though, 388 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 4: so it might be attitude issues. I just don't see that. 389 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 4: Maybe a nice pickup if you can get him and 390 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 4: he's got. 391 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:31,400 Speaker 3: The right attitude. 392 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 2: My main man, Chris Brussard, He's on First Things First 393 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 2: after this, Bru. Anytime you want to lose an NBA battle, 394 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 2: just holler at your boy. 395 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 3: We'll chop it up. 396 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 4: Man. 397 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 3: Have a great summ of them. I won't tell the audience. 398 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 4: We used to have a whole segment on my podcast 399 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 4: where I beat you down. It was literally called knock 400 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 4: Down Jay, and you were Jay? 401 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 3: So why were talking about? 402 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:51,439 Speaker 2: All right? 403 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 3: Coming up next year on the Herd? What are the 404 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 3: sons doing? Bradley Beal? 405 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 2: And I got a guest who you are gonna love 406 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,919 Speaker 2: to talk about, Kyler Murray, who eats is better than 407 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 2: Brock thirty away. 408 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 5: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 409 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,959 Speaker 5: and noon Easter not a Empacific. 410 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 2: Back here on the Herd, all right. Our next guest 411 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 2: is a guy I've known for a couple of years now. 412 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 2: Good basketball player, but also he's really carved out a 413 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 2: niche as like mister Arizona Sports. Benjamin Garcia joining the Herd, 414 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 2: host of The Locked On Sun's podcast. I've known Ben 415 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 2: for a while. He does great social media stuff. Ben, 416 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 2: I don't know if you heard me chopping it up 417 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 2: with Chris Blushar. But I'm bullish on Bradley Beal getting 418 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 2: bought out, waved and stretch like Damian Lillard and joining 419 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 2: my Lakers out here. 420 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 3: I think it would be a boon. Or are you 421 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 3: on Bradley Beal? Having watched him the last few years 422 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 3: in Arizona, well. 423 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 7: Bradley Beal has been someone who, to his defense, has 424 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 7: been very accommodating to what the Phoenix Suns have wanted 425 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 7: him to be. He's taken the third option, He's taken 426 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 7: more three point shots in that instance. Bradley Beal is 427 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 7: a good team player. But you're asking him now to 428 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 7: go over to the Lakers and be this pesky defender. 429 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,640 Speaker 7: The issue with the Lakers is not scoring. They've got Lebron, 430 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 7: They've got Luca Austin Reeves. What they don't need is 431 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 7: another person who's an anchor defensive defensively in a bad way, 432 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 7: meaning you're gonna stick a starting five out there of 433 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 7: DeAndre Ayton, Bradley Vial, Luka, Doncic, Lebron James. 434 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:23,120 Speaker 3: Tell me which one of. 435 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 7: Those guys is scaring anyone on a night in a 436 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 7: night out, Basis I actually think it is. That would 437 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 7: be I mean, career malpractice for Bradley Beale to go 438 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 7: over to a team which he was just on one 439 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:38,679 Speaker 7: of those teams that thought, if you add more scoring power, 440 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 7: more volume to him, and this team would be awesome. 441 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 7: We'll just outscore everyone. Take it from someone who has 442 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 7: covered the Phoenix Suns on a night in, night out, basis, 443 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 7: having more offense isn't always necessarily a good thing. And 444 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 7: I would look at the Oklahoma City Thunder, who pushed 445 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 7: teams around the entire time. I think it's absolutely crazy. 446 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 7: There are two teams that make sense. 447 00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 3: The Bucks. 448 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 7: The Clippers maybe re create Norman Powell in the aggregate 449 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 7: moneyball style with CP and Bradley Beal. But the Lakers, 450 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 7: Jason come on. 451 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 2: Down, Hey, you gotta get five million dollars. He's a 452 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 2: major deal. Hey, let me quickly on him. Did you 453 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 2: how are your deal into it? DeAndre Ayton covering the team, 454 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 2: he's this guy a malcontent. We know Kevin Durant doesn't 455 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,719 Speaker 2: like you, doesn't like me. He gets very upset with people. 456 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 3: But what about Aydon? Does he hear all this noise? 457 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 3: Is he kind of an issue? Ayden is if Ayton 458 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 3: had the. 459 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:30,719 Speaker 7: Same presence as Kevin Durant did offensively or i as 460 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 7: a basketball player at all, he would be seen as 461 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,640 Speaker 7: someone else that has perceived as quote unquote sensitive. DeAndre 462 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 7: Ayden talks a lot of game talks about how he's dominating. 463 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 7: He's gonna go in and he's gonna dunk on everyone, 464 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 7: he's gonna hit elbow jumpers, and then it comes to 465 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 7: game time. There are multiple instances where one thing that 466 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 7: got back to me is the Game two against the 467 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 7: Denver Nuggets years ago where he's just standing around watching 468 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,439 Speaker 7: Nicole Jokic and Kevin Durant fight for a rebound. That 469 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 7: is the epitome of deandreiden. No one thinks he he's 470 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 7: not incredibly talented, and when you look at the statistics 471 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 7: for like fifteen and ten, I'm Jason macintar, I think 472 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 7: he's the next Nicole jokicch but that's nonsense. He has 473 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 7: a middle of the pack. I mean, let's forget about that, Jason. 474 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 7: After one year of the DeAndre Ayton experience in Portland, 475 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 7: what did they do. They went and drafted his replacement, 476 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 7: Donovan Klingen. Two years later, they said, you know what, 477 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 7: we would rather just pay you to leave. It is 478 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 7: a desperate move by the Lakers to go get deandreid 479 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 7: and maybe he's a good lob threat with Luka Doncic 480 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 7: in that instance, but asking him to come in and 481 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,959 Speaker 7: be a defender, the biggest cell you could make is 482 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 7: can DeAndre Ayden come in and be someone who on 483 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 7: a contract year is looking for that next big deal 484 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 7: and turns it on for a year. 485 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 3: We saw that happen in twenty twenty one with the Suns. 486 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 7: Outside of that, it's been more talk than actually doing 487 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 7: the thing. 488 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 3: And that's kind of where it goes with DeAndre aid Right, 489 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 3: we got like two minutes left. 490 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 2: I'm curious, Kyler Murray, you and I have sparred on 491 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:00,919 Speaker 2: Kyler mur versus rock Perty. 492 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 3: ESPN had a list to at. 493 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 2: The top ten quarterbacks from scouts, executives, and coaches, and 494 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 2: Kyler Murray did not sniff the top twelve. So I'm 495 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 2: just curious, where are you on your boy Kyler? In 496 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,640 Speaker 2: a make or break here, it's a. 497 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 7: Make or break a year for Kyler Murray in this instance. 498 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 7: Is he going to be back on the team next year? 499 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 3: Make or break? 500 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 7: I don't think that's the case, he's got like a 501 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 7: sixty plus million dollar cap that you and I talked 502 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 7: about this on my podcast before, where it's just so 503 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 7: much money to move away from. We will know by 504 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 7: the end of the year if Kyler Murray can be 505 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,640 Speaker 7: a consistent enough quarterback on a week in a week 506 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 7: out basis to a point where he can help get 507 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 7: you to a super Bowl. Brock Purdy has been to 508 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,360 Speaker 7: a super Bowl. Jalen Hurts won a Super Bowl. Brock 509 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 7: Purtty did twice. It's about now, can you surround Kyler 510 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 7: Murray with enough talent and not make him be the piece? 511 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 7: Because what we've learned is when he's the piece, it's 512 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 7: a recipe for likely disaster in the later parts of 513 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 7: the season. But if you could surround a bunch of 514 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 7: players around him talent wise like you did with Brock 515 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,159 Speaker 7: and Hurts, he can absolutely be back good. 516 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 2: All right, thirty seconds, ben, Are the Arizona Cardinals gonna 517 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 2: make a wild card team in the NFC this season? 518 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:08,640 Speaker 3: Yeah? They better. 519 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 7: This is a year where everyone talks about is that 520 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 7: JG is Amani Austin for it? Could people be on 521 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 7: the hot seect But could Kyler Murray be gone? 522 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 3: Next year. 523 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,239 Speaker 7: Everyone's got a little bit of pressure on them. The 524 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 7: floor for this team is like nine wins. But you 525 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 7: could talk me into the talent of this team as 526 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 7: well as with all the other players surrounding them and 527 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 7: the coaching staff, that this could be a conference championship 528 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 7: level tea. If I told you two years ago, if 529 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 7: I told you two years ago, Jason, the Lowly Lions 530 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 7: and the Washington Commanders are going to be in the 531 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 7: conference championship game in back to back years, you'd call 532 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 7: me crazy, you'd block my number, you'd already kick me 533 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 7: off the show. 534 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 3: But since it happened, it is, it is, There is 535 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 3: a potential for that to be the case. 536 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 2: All right, Benjamin Garcia, great stuff, love the show on YouTube. 537 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 3: Keep up the good work. Thanks for the time, buddy, 538 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 3: Thanks for having me man. 539 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 2: All right, coming up next we will wrap up the show.