WEBVTT - NBA's Most UNEXPECTED Beefs: Mad Max Reacts 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:03.240 Welcome back to Unplugged. This episode is presented to you 0:00:03.279 --> 0:00:06.840 by Draft Kings. The crown is yours. I'm welcome into 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:09.360 guests today. The color tent is real off. So Max, 0:00:09.400 --> 0:00:11.440 you look some motherfucking black right now. I can't even see. 0:00:11.440 --> 0:00:13.720 They should have put your screen in the middle. 0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:17.800 Just to break it up. Yeah, for the show. My 0:00:18.000 --> 0:00:18.960 brother Matt. 0:00:21.040 --> 0:00:23.160 And I am in the middle. 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:31.000 That it's a lot of a lot of plea. They 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:32.280 can't have it, they can't happen. 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:36.760 I'm in the middle, man, Max, you look they can't 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:39.440 handle all this meddle. Like you look blacker than my 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:41.280 sweatsuit right now. Max, But I love you. 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:42.240 Don't take that, Max. 0:00:42.800 --> 0:00:45.519 And then also, welcome to the show, Steven. You listen. 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:51.360 Jesse Jackson here, Man, We're in here. 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:54.520 He's here, He's here, He's here. 0:00:55.240 --> 0:00:57.520 How was how was everyone's Thanksgiving? Man? 0:00:57.520 --> 0:00:58.400 How do you know? 0:00:58.520 --> 0:00:58.720 Man? 0:00:58.840 --> 0:00:59.600 I started off? 0:00:59.600 --> 0:00:59.800 Max? 0:00:59.800 --> 0:01:01.480 You know for me, Man, we we don't you know, 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:04.160 we have I have a lot of uh. I have 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:06.360 a blackfoot Indian in my family. So we don't use 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:08.600 the term Thanksgiving. We use Family Day. You know a 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:12.320 lot of our people have been murdered. The title with 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:13.720 this holiday you know, a lot of people don't know 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:15.280 the reason of this holiday, so we use it as 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:18.520 family day, and we don't want to disrespect our family. 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:20.160 So we enjoyed it. Man. 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:22.759 We spent a lot of time good, We ate good, 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:25.039 we played games. I spent I spent a lot of 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:26.480 time with my kids. I stayed here and I had 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:27.840 a lot of a lot of my kids here for 0:01:27.880 --> 0:01:30.800 the first time in Thanksgiving, So I think I think 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:31.080 a lot. 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:31.959 I had to good. 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:34.880 Good, Max, I was blessed man, me and my son, 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:37.400 and I had a couple of people over here with me. 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:39.520 Man, we just catered everything. 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:43.640 And oh yeah you did, okay, Man, Yeah, that money 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:46.440 is good though, that money's good money good. 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:49.680 Yeah, okay? Oh Max? 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:54.440 Hey, well Max, what was the what was the drink 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:55.040 of the day on. 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:56.200 The holiday drink? 0:01:57.520 --> 0:02:01.000 And you chasing with a model? 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:03.840 Yeah it is. I don't change up. I don't never 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:06.240 change up. Need to give my goddamn contract. 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:10.880 Yeah, don't don't make the call and model your ass too. 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:13.959 That's why you put your ball up today. 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:16.600 I see you should have had the you should have 0:02:16.639 --> 0:02:19.120 had the bottle of Max brand. And then we reach 0:02:19.160 --> 0:02:19.760 out to them and. 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:25.560 Let all the time my Dad said nothing yet. 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:31.720 Let's reach out to him, man, reach out to Yeah. 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:36.880 Man, we're gonna get you on the Q two books. Max, 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:37.600 We're gonna get you. 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:38.840 Some bread man. Let's do it. 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:39.040 Man. 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:46.960 Let Max eat Walking Bill BOYD. Let's get to it. 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:50.600 Unexpected beef that that touched home for all of us 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:53.600 over here. It's about a week old now, maybe a 0:02:53.600 --> 0:02:58.960 little bit more. But Kmart and and Draymond. It started 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:03.160 off I think on on uh Marcellus Wiley's podcast when 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:05.679 he was talking about the I guess the enforcers of 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:09.760 the tough Guys that that Kmart remembered and Draymond wasn't mentioned. 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:12.959 And then Swaggy P and Kmart got into some ship 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:18.080 on gills arena shout arena, Hey, hey, hey, I have 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:22.400 a feeling Jack that Kmart is gonna end up end No. 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:25.600 I did not, No, No, I don't know the reason. 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:27.440 I know k in my real will, he ain't gonna 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:30.480 do it because that's he. That's a lose lose with 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:32.600 him one you're bigger than him until you argue with 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:37.520 somebody that wasn't shipping the NBA either, Jesus Christ. So 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:39.600 that that that that got it. I'm just saying. I'm 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:41.120 just You're just saying you got s. 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:43.960 You gotta scooch your face back a little bit, you too, Yeah, you. 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:46.720 Let me let me let me say this to be 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:49.440 cleared up at You know, Nick Niga is a great player. 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:51.520 He may took advantage of his time in the league, 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:55.080 but I wouldn't argue with Nick. And I wasn't number 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:57.560 one pick. I was way better than Nick did way more. 0:03:57.760 --> 0:03:59.800 I wouldn't even argue with nobody. Looked at what I'm saying. 0:03:59.840 --> 0:04:00.760 Ken ain't gonna get that. 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:00.920 Man. 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:02.960 They're gonna argue for the show. But Ken, they gonna 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:04.800 put his hands on Nicka. He ain't gonna do that. 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:08.320 Jack. I've seen Kmart in the gym every morning with 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:10.840 me and he's just I know in his mind how 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:13.680 hard he's training. He's like, I wish you nigga would, bro. 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:14.920 But have you seen this? 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:18.919 Have you seen his Instagram name at It's straight jacket crazy, 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:20.440 that's his Instagram name. 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:23.080 I've been doing it. 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:26.159 I came in the league with him. We was rookies together. 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:26.640 Bro. 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:27.640 We did we did. 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:29.800 We didn't have They was throwing. They threw the balls 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:32.600 in the stands after practice. Matt kid said, whathi ch'all 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:35.920 did that for? I'm not gonna get them up on 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:37.719 the boss. And Jack ain't got to do it either. 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:42.880 Nigga bitch just stayed up there the next game. So 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:44.560 so for a rookie like for a nigga like that, 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:46.600 when I first meet it on the team together, he 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:49.719 tell the best, that all the best, Johnnyknowman, Kendrick Douglas kinch. 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:51.279 I wish you would man listen. 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:53.920 So look, I'm Rod mckiny, but I know Keny. At 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:56.080 this point, it's like none of us really won't drummer 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:58.120 with nobody. We were all doing goodies, you know what 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:00.560 I'm saying. But for that's taking the show. He gotta 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:01.600 he gonna prove his point. 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:06.040 But I would think I don't even think his your stupid. 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:08.920 I don't even think his intentions were to disrespect Dre. 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:12.240 But obviously when shiit gets running on social media and 0:05:12.279 --> 0:05:13.760 you hear a bunch of shit. But let's take a 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:19.640 look at what Draymond's response was after this initial conversation 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:21.440 least initial two conversations got going. 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:26.000 But when you were the number one picking and effectively, 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:32.520 you know, underachieved, I guess that would be the reason 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:35.440 why to be the number one pick and make the 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:40.440 All Star Game one time, most would say it's probably 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:43.320 an underachievement, you know, uh be that I was the 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:46.600 thirty fifth pick and made the All Star Game four times. 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:50.919 You know, Defensive Player of the Year, King Martin was 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:56.760 a defender. I think, uh he would consider himself a 0:05:56.800 --> 0:06:00.560 good defender. Never quite reached a pa the core of 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:03.240 that when you talk defensive flair of the years, you 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:06.159 know or not all defensive teams that I had, You 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:09.880 know that I have and he has zero. You know, 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:13.800 It's it's tough to sit in the space of like 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:16.480 continuing to speak on my name and call my name 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:19.720 out as if I underachieved or am underachievement. 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:23.279 Hey, two different errors, man, two different era. 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:27.360 Yeah, and Martin played in a tough era with a 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:29.320 lot of motherfucker power forwards. 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:32.160 Can really I think the Golden Ara. Not to cut 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:34.880 you off, Max, I think Kmart played in the Golden Air. 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:39.280 Yeah, I'm trying to tell you, man, So I can't 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:44.360 and I love Raymond, but I can't. Kenyan, Yeah, ken Man, 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:46.880 I just can't, man, because the errors are different then 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:50.160 and like were talking about earlier, Man, it's just no 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:54.599 Kenyan Martin man and I love Raymond, but Kenyan Martin. 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:58.760 I uh, first of all, to all of our fans 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:00.680 out here, and it is probably gonna get a little 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:02.760 crazy right now. But my goal right now is to 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:05.480 really as we were talking about this, because everyone's trying 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:08.480 to pick sides, and obviously I played against Kmart and 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:11.600 he was a major problem. And then I played against Draymond, 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:14.560 who was a problem in his own way, and played 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:17.360 with Draymond for half a season. My goal was to 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:20.320 really celebrate and give both these guys their flowers. But 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:22.080 I think within that we're gonna get some real shit 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:24.520 because obviously, Jack, you played with Kmart, came in the 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:29.840 league with Kmart. Max, you have you understand the mentality 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:32.080 that Kmart had, because Kmart, I felt like would have 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:35.240 been in your era where he was taking off the 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:37.480 way he played. He could have played in any era 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:42.480 with his size athleticism. But here after that, Kmart goes 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:45.560 on IG Live and I didn't get to see all 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:47.720 of them, but I heard some of the names of 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:52.200 two hundred power forwards better than Draymond. He puts some 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:55.600 thought into that, obviously, So now it's kind of getting 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:59.040 a little back and forth competitive, I wouldn't really call 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:04.120 it beef yet shots have definitely been fired by both sides. 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:07.200 And I think right now, I just want to touch 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:11.480 on first Draymond because I've got a chance to get 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:14.600 to play with and against him at a really young 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:18.040 age when he was the catalyst for this dynasty that 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:22.400 we had just saw kind of passed. This guy is 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:24.960 a you know, four time All Star, nine time All 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:30.760 Defensive NBA twenty seventeen Defensive Player of the Year. You know, 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:34.640 five thousand points, rebounds and assists. Only twenty three players 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:40.600 in NBA history have done that. Four time champion, not 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:45.120 to forget that Olympic gold medalist, right, I think that 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:49.720 Draymond is one of those guys wherein and I see 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:52.760 that Draymond disrespect and it's crazy to me because from 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:54.400 a standpoint, I'm not talking about came up, but I'm 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:57.440 just talking about before this shit even happened, understand it. 0:08:57.520 --> 0:09:00.160 He could be, in my opinion max In Stack as 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:04.080 Stack step away for a second, the greatest role player 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:05.880 in the history of the game. And that's saying a 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:08.400 lot because there's Dennis rod Mens, there's some Robert Ory's 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:13.200 But I just think what Draymond brought, what he brought 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:17.160 in his prime to the Warriors, you can't understate it, 0:09:17.240 --> 0:09:19.600 and numbers don't tell the whole story. And I'll start 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:21.480 with off the court. I feel like off the court, 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:25.360 he the organization embodied and again I got to see 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:29.200 a firsthand what Draymond's spirit was. I mean, he was 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:35.400 perfect for the situation from speaking for the team, the owner, 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:37.760 the coaches, him and Steve Kirk. But it has but 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:42.480 I think everyone kind of took on Draymond's personality and 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:45.160 knew that he was their security blanket. He had Clay 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:49.120 and Steph and some of these other guys playing outside 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:51.920 of their body as far as their willingness to talk 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:55.760 shit and getting people's face because they knew Draymond had 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:59.200 their back on the court. Just one of those guys 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:02.360 that it was a perfect situation for him. Golden State 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:05.800 was the perfect situation. The very high IQ. Two of 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:09.240 the greatest shooters are real thinking man. Draymond has one 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:12.679 of the highest IQs. I've you know, this game has 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:15.079 has ever seen. So I say all that to say 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:19.560 I don't think the numbers always explain Draymond's greatness and 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:21.920 his importance. I think something you know now you're hearing 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:24.080 talks about how many whether they have won without Draymond, 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:28.120 I say, maybe maybe one, even when you talk about KD. 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:31.400 Clay and Steph, because Draymond was the anchor of that defense, 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:34.080 the blanket that could switch one through five and have 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:37.600 everybody's back, have everyone comfortable enough to be up in 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:39.800 their guys, and if they get beat, you know, Draymond 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:42.480 has your back. So I say maybe one. They definitely 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:45.679 wouldn't have four. But what are your guys' thoughts again 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:49.040 on what obviously completely different Ara, Max and I think 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:51.120 you spoke to it, and we're gonna get to Kmart. 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:53.600 I think Kmart played in the golden era of power 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:55.760 forwards and kind of the end of the big era. 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:59.080 But what do you guys think Draymond's importance to this 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:01.440 era of basketball is? 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:06.120 Well, I just said, Swiss army knife type motherfucker. You know, 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:09.400 do everything, you know, whatever's needed for that night. You 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:12.040 know he's gonna give it to you. I mean, I 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:17.560 love what I mean for his athletic ability and I 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:21.400 mean I mean, I mean it's amazing what he's done. 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:25.200 You know what I mean, I mean, but like you said, man, 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:30.520 perfect situation, perfect team, because I think if he went 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:32.800 somewhere else, he wouldn't have been able to have those 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:35.680 opportunities to do what he was doing early on in 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:37.960 his career. He didn't have it on early on. But 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:42.000 I'm just saying perfect opportunity of perfect team. Like like 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:45.640 I keep saying, it's all about the fit, and that 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:47.000 was the perfect. 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:47.800 Fit for that kid. Man. 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:50.360 So like I said, thirty fifth fit, you know what 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:52.719 I mean. So what we're talking about, man, I mean, 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:54.280 I love it for him, man, I mean, it's a 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:58.120 blessing man, just to just to do what he did. 0:11:58.240 --> 0:11:58.440 Man. 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:02.200 And but and like you said, they wouldn't have won 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:07.920 four championships without him, No, I said, I would have 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:10.880 said too, but you said, because I know that one 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:13.600 woman KDD and they one woman before KD got there. 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:17.200 But I would have said too. But I'm just saying, man, 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:19.600 But like I mean, he just had these guys back, 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:23.480 like you know, he he got Clay, I got stepped, 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:26.480 you know back. I mean, so he's the bully out there. 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:29.920 I mean, and unfortunately I don't like this. I mean, 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:30.880 I mean, but. 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:34.880 The guy was he was a beast in his own right. Man, 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:36.000 I love what he did. 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:40.120 Jack, obviously you and Draymond, but it had a little 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:42.400 bit in the past. But I know you understand the game. 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:45.439 You You've went on record saying every team needs a 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:49.120 Draymond Green type player to win the championship. What are 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:51.520 your thoughts to what he's been able to bring to 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:54.760 this Warrior franchise for the last ten plus years. 0:12:55.000 --> 0:12:56.800 Well one with me, man, you know me, it ain't 0:12:56.840 --> 0:12:59.200 it ain't it ain't no beef for me because ain't 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:00.000 nobody got hurt. 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:02.760 Uh nobody, you know what I'm saying. 0:13:02.840 --> 0:13:05.520 So a little back and forth. 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:08.240 Yeah, I'm really that. I'm really from that bro. So 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:10.240 I ain't got no beef for Draymond. We just we 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:12.160 had some disagreements on some things, but I got a 0:13:12.200 --> 0:13:17.360 lot of respect for dude. I honestly consider him as 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:20.640 a similar type player the me. You know, we both 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:23.400 don't take no shit. But to get back on subject, 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:29.640 I'm not a if it was a fifth type of guy. 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:32.920 Draymond came in the league at the right time, he 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:35.440 got drafted by the right team, and he took advantage 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:36.600 of his fucking situation. 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:37.800 Point blank. 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:41.000 We all have different feelings about a lot of basketball players. 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:42.480 I feel like I'm better than a lot of guys 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:44.559 that play now and play back then, you know what 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:46.560 I'm saying. So we all have our opinions, especially a 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:49.680 guy who's had success in the NBA, a guy who's 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:51.200 put up numbers. You know what I'm saying, You're gonna 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:53.520 have different opinions. King's the number one pick, so he 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:57.280 can have a have a different King. But Golden State 0:13:57.440 --> 0:14:00.600 is not Golden State without Draymond. Every team needs a Draymond. 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:02.720 They was blessed to have a Draymond with a high 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:04.880 i Q. There was they was best to have a 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:07.760 Draymond who was willing to put his body and and 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:10.120 and and and to sacrifice anything that he could do 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:12.560 on the court for the betterment of the team. So 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:15.880 the fact that Draymond is a Defensive Player of the Year, 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:19.080 a Shoeing Hall of Famer, and a four time champion. 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:20.680 You gotta give him credit. 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:23.600 You can't say he got drafted at the you know, 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:25.600 uh he got he was on the right team and 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:27.920 all that ship that ain't his fault. 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:30.480 Blame. Don't blame him, blame God. That's how I look 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:30.800 at it. 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:33.280 So so kudos to him for what he did with 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:34.200 his opportunity. 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:37.880 Uh he uh he he he. 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:40.880 Like Pop said, he's that player that every team needs 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:43.200 to win a championship and he did his role to 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:45.480 a t. So get ready for the Hall of Fame, 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:47.560 get ready for more accolades because they might win it again. 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:49.480 So whatever he's done in his time in the NBA, 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:50.400 salute to him. 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:53.760 Bro mm hmm. Now on the flip side, k Mart 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:56.040 and I got a chance to see him. We didn't 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:57.640 play him, but see him, and we were in college 0:14:57.680 --> 0:14:59.800 the same time. This guy breaks his leg and still 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:03.760 be the number one pick the same season. Jack, you 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:07.600 guys end up in New Jersey together. But Kmart was 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:11.320 different man. Kmart was six nine six', ten, strong as 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:15.640 an ox, bouncy will slap the dog shit out of, 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:19.400 you and was just a different type of. PLAYER i 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:22.200 feel like he played at the end he although he 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:24.480 still saw shack and in some of these centers kind 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:27.160 of the end of the of the big man, era 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:31.440 but in the prime prime of the power forward era 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:34.080 with The Chris, Webers Kevin, Garnett dirk And, Whiskey Tim, 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:40.720 Duncan Amari, stottlemeyer other, Guys so for, HIM i didn't 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:46.120 agree When draymond said underachieved because he was playing with 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:49.800 some top twenty players of all. Time first Bout hall of, 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:53.720 famers guys that were just clogging up the. Pipeline you, know, 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:56.320 guys you weren't gonna get If craymart was really. Good 0:15:56.640 --> 0:15:58.440 but he wasn't better Than. Timmy he wasn't better THAN 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:01.360 kg you. KNOW i, mean but every those guys knew 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:05.400 when they played Against, kmart bring their heart hat on both. 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:09.400 Sides understand those see a lot of things like happened 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:15.680 with motherfuckers like me And jack km. On motherfucker's gonna 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:18.520 make our all star, teams motherfuckers because you staying a 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:18.880 lot of. 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:20.360 Ship you know WHAT i? 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:22.440 Mean like you say he'll take, off haul off and 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:24.920 slap the ship out of somebody you know came out 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:26.680 and he ain't taking no. SHIP i ain't taking no. 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:29.120 Ship this, Man jack ain't taking no. Ship that's What i'm. 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:31.200 Saying matt didn't take no. Ship that's What. 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:31.880 Matt we. 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:32.120 Know. 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:33.160 MATT i asked gonna. 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:35.440 FIGHT i ain't never know the red nigga fight. 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:39.640 Like this, Nigga this red nigga just read nigga, Fight 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:43.720 SO i know this nigga like he'll, fight BUT i. 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:45.360 Ain't but, see but that's What i'm. 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:48.680 Saying but What i'm saying is that, man this that 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:51.720 man was a we know that part by what he's gonna. 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:51.840 Do. 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:54.680 Man so but a lot of, times, man that's what it, been, 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:56.640 man while motherfuckers ain't making. 0:16:56.720 --> 0:16:57.720 Man BECAUSE i know. 0:16:57.680 --> 0:16:59.480 A couple of years THAT'S i KNEW i should have 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:04.000 Been damn. GODDAMN i MEAN i was, like. Goddamn it was, like, oh, no, 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:06.760 motherfucker you missed about you. Know So i'll be, like all, right. 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:08.879 MOTHERFUCKER i get to go off and go smoke open 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:11.760 and for the weekend do. 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:13.639 WHAT i do and have a good, vacation you know 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:13.760 WHAT i. 0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:16.280 Mean that's WHAT i think on the flip side, Too. 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:18.280 Max not to cut you, off BUT i, Mean, jack 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:20.840 we've talked about this several. TIMES i think that the 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:23.360 malice in the palace with you being a good teammate 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:28.320 robbed you from a handful of accolades in your career 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:31.920 that you would have attained over that. Journey and that's 0:17:31.960 --> 0:17:34.359 WHY i don't Put, obviously accolades are important and and 0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:36.960 people when you talk about the hierarchy of the. Game 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:39.720 people talk about, it but to your, Point, max some 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:42.680 real shit happens to real motherfuckers at. Times we all 0:17:42.720 --> 0:17:45.120 know these these things are. Biased and you think About 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:48.639 Kobe bryant only having ONE, mvp kiss my whole, ass 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:50.680 you know WHAT i. Mean there's a real bias with 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:53.200 motherfuckers that that that you, know that have a say 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:55.760 in these. Accolades SO i think, again to both of 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:58.680 your guys's, points both of you guys are someone who 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:02.000 could have you, know achieved more if there wasn't. Reputation 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:04.400 and to me for my, CAREER i mean the type 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:07.920 of DEFENSE i. PLAYED i had a reputation for cussing 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:10.239 the motherfucker, out cussing and coach, shots you know WHAT i. 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:12.560 Mean so it's, just you, know there are labels that 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:15.120 are put on certain. People but at the same, time 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:19.200 on the flip, Side draymond is very similar to all 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:21.360 three of us from a, standpoint and don't take. 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:23.360 It, yeah it's it's a different time. 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:23.560 Too. 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:25.280 Man let me let me let me say this about the. 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:29.000 Situation you, know like you, Said, matt you you said 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:32.840 the key part the power forward time was it was 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:35.640 it was just, different. Bro and AND i would say, 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:38.600 this just Like draymond would say about this. Team, draymond 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:41.560 if your team that you have right at your height 0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:44.479 played in our, ERA i don't think y'all get four 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:46.680 championships BECAUSE i don't think y'all was better than my first, 0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:48.920 team you know What i'm. Saying, so, like you know 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:50.920 What i'm, Saying Because Tim dugan And David robinson was really, 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:53.880 That Tony parker was genobody was really. THAT i was really, 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:56.560 that you know What i'm, Saying so LIKE i got 0:18:56.560 --> 0:18:58.800 the same confidence he, has you know What i'm. Saying and, 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:03.320 yeah we. Talking he talked About kenyon didn't get the. Accolades, 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:06.320 WELL i got AN mvp, vote BUT i never made 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:08.560 An All star. Game so that's that's to your, Point 0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:10.359 like it makes a lot of that shit don't make no. 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:12.679 Sense so so you you can't really go on. 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:14.920 That but if you're from this, fraternity you know, players 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:17.600