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Speaker 1: Mute forms. If it doesn't work, you're just not using enough.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to soft web Radio Special Operations, Military Nails

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Speaker 1: and straight talk with the guys in the community.

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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back to an episode of soft Rep Radio.

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Speaker 2: I have today a very special guest and his name

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Speaker 2: is Francis Rachopi, and I'm gonna tell you a little

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Speaker 3: But first I need to point out.

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Speaker 2: That we have a merch store, okay, and you help

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Speaker 2: keep the lights on when you go and buy one

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Speaker 2: of our mugs or our shirts and you support soft Rep.

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Speaker 2: Go check out our merch store. And also we have

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Speaker 2: kicked off a really cool book club and at soft

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Speaker 2: rep dot com Forward Slash Book hyphen Club. I think

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Speaker 2: if not you can find it by just looking up

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Speaker 2: the softwarep book Club. Get involved in that, and we

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Speaker 2: have a lot of books going out to a lot

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Speaker 2: of our members that listen. So, without further ado to

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Speaker 2: person that we have today, I'm going to read you

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Speaker 2: a little bit about him. Real quick founder and creator

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Speaker 2: of the Jed Burrow podcast and founder of fr six

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Speaker 2: as a guest with me today and who I've brought

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Speaker 2: onto the show for soft Reap. Fran has served thirteen

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Speaker 2: years in the United States Army as a Green Beret,

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Speaker 2: deploying three times to Iraq and spending several years operating

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Speaker 2: across Africa. A lifelong sailor, Fran volunteers to teach veterans

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Speaker 2: to sail as the race director for Salehead, a veterans

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Speaker 2: service organization dedicated to reducing the veteran suicide rate. He

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Speaker 2: also served as the director of Global Security for Snapchat.

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Speaker 2: Fran is a performance development coach for Boston University Men's

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Speaker 2: Rowing and heads leadership programs for retro fitness using his

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Speaker 2: five components of a performance mindset.

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Speaker 3: So.

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Speaker 2: Fran has a BA in Journalism from Boston University an

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Speaker 2: the corporate security industry and has been recognized by the

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Speaker 2: FBI and the DHS for his leadership and innovation. And

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Speaker 2: frand welcome to the show. Thanks for having me. I

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Speaker 3: And I need to go to the merch store.

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Speaker 2: Yes, please check that out, check this out. And also

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Speaker 2: I'm sure that the Jed Bird podcast which you helm

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Speaker 2: has its own merch.

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Speaker 4: We do have our own merch and I built the

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Speaker 4: store on Shopify. That was an emotional experience to try

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Speaker 4: to have. Actually it was easy, but for me, it

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Speaker 4: The hardest part is the pictures, Like what pictures are

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Speaker 4: taking pictures in all these different places of like our

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Speaker 4: never get it right because right I don't have like

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Speaker 4: And then I said, you know what, screw it. I

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Speaker 4: the place. When we do these recordings, people are going

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Speaker 4: to war in the real life. Let's just put pictures

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Speaker 4: looks like. So that's what we did. And we just

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Speaker 4: I bought all this merch like a year ago. I

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Speaker 4: Here's all the merch, and you go through it and

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Speaker 4: That's the smalls and she's like, no, no, no, women's shirts

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Speaker 4: And so I so after a year, I've got out.

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Speaker 2: And like I look at it, I'm like, okay, I

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Speaker 3: Because yep, hard lessons learned. And our podcast is over.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for listening. That is your lesson for the Day'll

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Speaker 3: be back tomorrow. We'll keep going. We'll keep going. So

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Speaker 2: So you're into you know, running your own Shopify obviously

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Speaker 3: Now, now I can make my return to journalism.

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Speaker 2: Now, when you go into infantry, so you're already a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I worked in corporate America for a

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Speaker 4: Well follow me is not I'm going to follow you.

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Speaker 4: It's follow me together like I'm leading.

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Speaker 4: Right. It's all about leadership, right, So we train people

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Speaker 3: I completely agree.

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Speaker 2: And I think that you know, there's enough sheep and

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Speaker 2: Exactly, and became a commissioned officer in the field, okay.

437
00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:53,320
Speaker 2: And it's such a young man, a self leader who

438
00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,920
Speaker 2: didn't give up, went after the burning tank and got

439
00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,280
Speaker 2: up onto the to the weaponry on there and just

440
00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:03,200
Speaker 2: started offend the German forces as a leader. Like everybody

441
00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,960
Speaker 2: else around him was just like probably wounded, and he

442
00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:09,320
Speaker 2: was just up there his own self, his own management skills,

443
00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:13,760
Speaker 2: his own thought process of that recruitment poster or you know,

444
00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,320
Speaker 2: going through his basic training and honing in on leaderships

445
00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,520
Speaker 2: skills all came to fruition for him. You know, he

446
00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,160
Speaker 2: just had to make all these decisive decisions at such

447
00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,639
Speaker 2: a young age, right, Audie Murphy is someone who is

448
00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,320
Speaker 2: a very you know, decisive leader in the middle of

449
00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,040
Speaker 2: a shitty situation. I never usually swear, but I mean,

450
00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:35,080
Speaker 2: you can't really get it any other way on the podcast,

451
00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,360
Speaker 2: I'm just saying I try to keep it totally chill,

452
00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,520
Speaker 2: but you know, god, I'm very emotional about it. But

453
00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:44,080
Speaker 2: Audie Murphy very good leader right there, Like in crisis.

454
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Speaker 4: Well, i mean, think about how a special Forces team

455
00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:53,600
Speaker 4: is organized. Okay, So a special Forces team is because

456
00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:55,600
Speaker 4: this small unit it's a little bit easier to do

457
00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:57,879
Speaker 4: than in a larger organization. But that's also why we

458
00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:01,480
Speaker 4: have sub levels of command. Right, you have managers, Okay, Well,

459
00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,680
Speaker 4: who's a manager. Well, a squad leader's a manager. That's

460
00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,720
Speaker 4: a people manager. A team leader is a manager. Okay,

461
00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,840
Speaker 4: an individual soldier that's an individual contributor. And I'm thinking,

462
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,760
Speaker 4: you know, talking primarily about the task organization of like

463
00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:18,440
Speaker 4: an infantry platoon. Well, once you're in the corporate world,

464
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:22,160
Speaker 4: once you're in charge of one person, you're considered a manager.

465
00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,720
Speaker 4: So if you're in charge of five people and you're

466
00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:28,080
Speaker 4: a five team leader, you are a manager. And same

467
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,800
Speaker 4: for a squad leader who's in charge of nine people. Right,

468
00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,879
Speaker 4: these are subordinate levels of command on an SF team.

469
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Speaker 4: We have seniors and juniors across the various different specialties.

470
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Speaker 4: But the entire conversation that we're having when we talk

471
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Speaker 4: about input and planning is we're seeking input from everybody

472
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Speaker 4: on that team because we understand at the leadership level

473
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Speaker 4: that we don't have all the answers that why do

474
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:59,800
Speaker 4: we recruit, assess, and select dynamic people from different backgrounds

475
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 4: because they're going to bring different perspective to problem sets

476
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,320
Speaker 4: and what we want is to have that conversation. So

477
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Speaker 4: we want to be inclusive in our planning process to

478
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Speaker 4: understand everybody's perspectives. But then we want to be decisive

479
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 4: in our decision making, knowing whose decision it is, most

480
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Speaker 4: often the commander who's going to take input and then

481
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 4: make the decision. But then what happens when we make

482
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 4: the decision, It doesn't matter what your argument was, you

483
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 4: execute that decision, barring illegal and moral caveats.

484
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:35,760
Speaker 3: Right.

485
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Speaker 4: So that's what is really great about when we talk

486
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Speaker 4: about instilling discipline in that the military teaches primarily people

487
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 4: right is you don't you're taught when you walk out

488
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 4: of that room if your idea didn't get chosen, you're

489
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 4: going to shut your mouth and you're going to execute,

490
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Speaker 4: and you're not going to talk bad about everybody and

491
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 4: spread dissension. We see that We don't see that enough.

492
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Speaker 3: In the civilian world. We see that. I mean, when

493
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:09,920
Speaker 3: you can talk about politics.

494
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 2: Oh, this is conversation with someone yesterday. I said, you know,

495
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 2: what you're saying is dissension among your team here, and

496
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,400
Speaker 2: I can hear it, and if I hear it, other

497
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 2: people can hear it.

498
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 3: Yeah. And that just happens, you know.

499
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,359
Speaker 2: And if something happened between you and someone else on

500
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Speaker 2: the job, then that needs to be taken care of

501
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 2: between you and someone else. It doesn't need to be

502
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 2: spread out to Bill Bob and jammed down down the

503
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,399
Speaker 2: way because they weren't even involved. Now you're just spreading

504
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,880
Speaker 2: dissension about someone that has There's two sides of every story.

505
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

506
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Speaker 4: Patrick Murphy, the former congressman and Secretary of the Army,

507
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,160
Speaker 4: was on the podcast last year forty one or something

508
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 4: like that, I don't remember. And he has a great

509
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 4: quote that I've used a lot, and he says, you

510
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 4: can disagree, but you can't be disagreeable.

511
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Speaker 3: And what's the difference between those two things.

512
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Speaker 4: We can disagree, we should disagree, we should have different

513
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 4: we should have open discourse about our perspectives on a topic. Correct,

514
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 4: But what's disagreeable when the decision is made that we're

515
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 4: going to do what you want, and I don't that.

516
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 4: I shut down, I shut you out. I don't want

517
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 4: anything part of you. I'm unwilling to talk about it.

518
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 4: Or because you have a different perspective on an issue,

519
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,880
Speaker 4: whether or not a decision has even been made, I'm

520
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,160
Speaker 4: not going to sit here and listen to your perspective

521
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 4: and all I'm going to do is speak badly about you.

522
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 4: I'm going to work against you, and I'm going to

523
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Speaker 4: create divide that's disagreeable. And what we are experiencing now

524
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Speaker 4: in a totality of many different things, I think society

525
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 4: writ large is a society in which we think that

526
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Speaker 4: it's okay to become disagreeable and we can just shut

527
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 4: you out. We can say bad things about you on

528
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 4: social media, we can turn you off okay and block you,

529
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,160
Speaker 4: and now all of a sudden, you don't exist. Well,

530
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Speaker 4: that's not productive to building organizations, because what's going to

531
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Speaker 4: happen in two next week, a month, a year when

532
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 4: I need you on my team, when I need you

533
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 4: on my side for an issue, You're going to do

534
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,360
Speaker 4: the same thing to me. Right, It's true anywhere. Yeah,

535
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 4: are you going to are you going to always have?

536
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 4: You know, I like where you say, know your place.

537
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,360
Speaker 4: You know, there's a time and a place to approach

538
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 4: the chain of command and talk to them. And if

539
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,160
Speaker 4: you do get to voice your idea on a mission

540
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 4: or in a planning corporate planning session or just as

541
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 4: your small business you're just talking with your wife in

542
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 4: bed and your partner and you're just trying to come

543
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,679
Speaker 4: up with a strategic capability. You just got to you know,

544
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 4: I guess just be the best you can be and

545
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 4: don't get at each other's throats. And I guess you

546
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,679
Speaker 4: know your place. You know, Like, I'm really good at

547
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 4: doing what I do for my company. My business partner's

548
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,880
Speaker 4: really good at what he does. And he always tells me, well,

549
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 4: I'm not a welder, so what's your excuse. And I'm like, Dael,

550
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 4: that you built the tank, dude, it's so cool. He's like,

551
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 4: but I'm not a welder, so what's your excuse.

552
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Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm a model my hand, you know, jokingly aside,

553
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 2: and it's I'm shutting that. But I give him respect

554
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 2: for him, you know, leading for me to see that

555
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 2: that's and I'm not really following his lead. I'm just

556
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 2: walking in his I guess I am. Yeah, Ajax, there

557
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 2: you go. There's a shout out, bro. I appreciate you.

558
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 2: I'm trying not to follow like like my man friend here,

559
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 2: but I do. I do follow in Ajax's footsteps on

560
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 2: some things, and I think he follows in mind and together.

561
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Speaker 2: That's kind of like a team effort though you know, well,

562
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 2: you're supporting each other. That's called being a teammate. Yeah,

563
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 2: you know, that's called I mean, and so what else do?

564
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 2: What else is a big component that's missing from organizations

565
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 2: in the civilian world.

566
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Speaker 3: It's the it's the team ethos.

567
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 4: It's this idea that you know, well, you don't in

568
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:44,679
Speaker 4: order for me to win, you don't have to lose,

569
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 4: right right. We can all benefit, but we only benefit

570
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 4: when we work together, you know. And but what happens

571
00:26:53,640 --> 00:27:00,040
Speaker 4: is we don't instill. I'm thinking of this, so I

572
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,439
Speaker 4: to think about the best way to tell this story.

573
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 4: But I'll give you any extentp My daughter's in eighth grade.

574
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 4: She had a a lacrosse game last week. Okay, I

575
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 4: live in Connecticut. Lacrosse here, like there's five year olds

576
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 4: who would have beat me When I was in high

577
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 4: school playing at the high school varsity level, like this

578
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 4: is I've.

579
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 3: Never seen sneaky around the pass and stuff football.

580
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:25,919
Speaker 4: I took my daughter to practice the other day and

581
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 4: there was a high school like JV or freshman game

582
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 4: going on on the other field, and this kid had

583
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 4: this ridiculous fast break. I literally yell, I don't even know,

584
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 4: I didn't know one person over there, and this kid

585
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 4: took it down the field, made a sick move and scored.

586
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 4: And I was literally like, yeah, I have no idea

587
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 4: who the kid was. I don't know anything about it.

588
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,199
Speaker 4: It was just a ridiculous play. I've never seen that.

589
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 4: But anyway, so this, uh so, they showed up to

590
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 4: the game and fifty percent of her team's not there

591
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 4: and they don't have enough players. And so they're playing

592
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 4: a very good team team next door, probably the best team,

593
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 4: you know, as it's players, and they have all their

594
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 4: players they got there.

595
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 3: They now they have a bigger team anyway, and they

596
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 3: have all they have all their players.

597
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 4: Ye and so eventually, you know, a couple of girls

598
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 4: trickle in, you know, late, and they end up having

599
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 4: the exact amount of players that they it's like whatever

600
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 4: it is.

601
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 3: Eleven or something like that. I think there's more and.

602
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 4: Girls across, but so there's no subs, right, And all

603
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 4: these girls went out and they gave it absolutely everything

604
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 4: they had and they got made fun of by the

605
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:30,120
Speaker 4: other team.

606
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 3: It was actually really disrespectful. It was quite frustrated. As

607
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,479
Speaker 3: a father, I was, I was really kind of pissed.

608
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 3: But they were super rude the other team.

609
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 4: They were disrespectful, they made fun of them. They said

610
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 4: really nasty things. But my daughter's team lost, like it

611
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 4: was like sixteen and nothing or twenty and nothing.

612
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 3: It was really bad.

613
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 4: No subs and and you know, but think about just

614
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 4: only the psyche, right, like, you know, forget about the

615
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 4: play on the field. Then, you know, I try you

616
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 4: try to coach. You know, they're in eighth grade, so

617
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 4: it's try to you know, you can only control what

618
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 4: you can control. Don't think about the fact that you know,

619
00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 4: like you're just gonna go out there give it everything

620
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 4: you have. But you know, their mind was made up

621
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 4: when they showed up to warm up, and you know

622
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 4: they're down players and they're like, we're never going to

623
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 4: compete with the best team right now, And so you know,

624
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 4: there was, but they fought hard and they did everything

625
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 4: they could. And you know, my point after the game

626
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 4: to my daughter was, I said, what did your coach say?

627
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 4: And she said, well, the coach is upset. And I said,

628
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 4: all right, well what's she going to do about it?

629
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 4: And she said, well, you know, she said she's going

630
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 4: to make the other team, the kids who didn't come,

631
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 4: that they should have to run in practice. And I said,

632
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 4: you know, it should have to happen. The whole team

633
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 4: should have to run. The whole team should run the

634
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 4: whole practice, because this isn't about the players who weren't there.

635
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 4: This is about the fact that this is a team

636
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 4: and you let your teammates down. And what's going to

637
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 4: happen If you punish those who didn't show up, You're

638
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 4: going to actually create a divide between those who showed

639
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 4: up and those who didn't. So what we have done

640
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 4: in my previous career, everybody's going to run, and everybody's

641
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 4: gonna get punished. And did you deserve it for coming

642
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 4: out and playing hard?

643
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 3: No, you didn't.

644
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 4: But do you need to now learn to hold those

645
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 4: other people accountable for not coming?

646
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 3: Should they know?

647
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 4: On the other side, of that equation that when they

648
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 4: didn't show up, they've now punished you. Now not advocating

649
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 4: that we should you know, every beat, everybody.

650
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 3: Right, you know we did there, here you go, it's right.

651
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 3: But like we've got to think about today, how are.

652
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 4: We building our teams? How are we reinforcing teamwork because

653
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 4: we're creating individualistic societies. Zoom has created an individualism amongst teams.

654
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 3: How do we.

655
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 4: Ideate if our interaction in the workplace all day is

656
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 4: in forty five minute block of scheduled time on this,

657
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 4: how much gets done after meetings? Five minutes after meetings

658
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 4: walking down the hallway more more? I would argue, Yeah,

659
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 4: gets done. And what's happening? Yeah, right in the environment

660
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 4: when you're around people and we're seeing this, we're seeing

661
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 4: all these companies. Facebook Zuckerberg was talking about it last

662
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 4: week that he was wrong when he came out after

663
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 4: COVID and said we're going to move everybody remote, we

664
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 4: never need to be together again. And all those who

665
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 4: stood up, Yeah, and now they're like, we haven't created

666
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 4: a new idea in three years.

667
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 3: I mean, I get that.

668
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 2: During the COVID, you know where it made sense everything

669
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,719
Speaker 2: was getting shut down. Businesses had to stay open, and

670
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 2: here we are, we're using those mediums right now, this

671
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 2: podcast situation. I used to be hand to hand with

672
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 2: you in the room, you know, sitting with a mic, right,

673
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 2: and then COVID hit separated everybody, and now we're just

674
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 2: starting to get back to where you're having like in

675
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 2: person interviews on tea.

676
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 3: Or other galas.

677
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 2: Right, we're only about six months after the mask mandate

678
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 2: or something. It seems like here in Utah just being done.

679
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 2: You know, maybe that maybe it's been three years already.

680
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 2: What year is it?

681
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 3: And all blends together?

682
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 2: My man, you know, I'm just like, but yeah, I

683
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 2: can only imagine being in the workplace where you thrive

684
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 2: on the so from my gun my Airsoft stores, you know,

685
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 2: it makes sense for me to be in there, And

686
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 2: I start thinking about everything that goes on with wargames.

687
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 3: I'm like, here, I am, this.

688
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 2: Is the wargame generator in here, and everybody in here

689
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 2: is all about war games. And the moment I leave

690
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 2: and I get into my commuter seat belt and I

691
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 2: buckle up and I'm driving, I'm thinking about, oh, what

692
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take my wife to dinner. So that's a different.

693
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 2: It changes from being in the environment. If I'm always

694
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 2: at home, always looking at dinner, working, it doesn't seem

695
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 2: like I'd be so productive on I don't know. I

696
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 2: need people around me to help brain storm and you know,

697
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 2: sling mud.

698
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 4: The human being is a social creature. And I do

699
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 4: not believe anybody who says I don't need people around me.

700
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 4: I think those people actually need to talk to somebody,

701
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 4: because that goes against every fiber and the psychology that

702
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 4: we as people. We as people need to be around

703
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:26,719
Speaker 4: other people. It's fact, and we thrive in envirnus. Now

704
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 4: there's varying levels, right, you know, they are introverts.

705
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 3: They're extroverts.

706
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 4: Not everybody's going to be in a room of one

707
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 4: hundred and thirty people and make everybody laugh and stand up.

708
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 3: Or can they can?

709
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 4: Some introverts are incredibly amazing at it.

710
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 2: I have They may not know it, but they have it.

711
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 2: And you know, unless they go into a room of

712
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 2: people and say hi.

713
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 4: A lot of comedians don't like to talk to people, right,

714
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 4: I mean they're like, what, I think you're full?

715
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 2: You know, like sixty thousand people, Oh hey, what's the joke.

716
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 2: But afterwards it's like, get me out of here.

717
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 3: Yep.

718
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 4: But they still have like someone or a small group

719
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 4: of people, and everybody needs that, right. People thrive on that.

720
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 4: We talked about community, you know, community comes up a

721
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 4: lot and a lot of conversations we have on the podcast.

722
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 4: But people want to be around others.

723
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 3: You can't really have the isolation, you know.

724
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 2: I watch these reality shows where they try to match

725
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 2: make in isolation and they try to fall in love

726
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 2: with never seeing each other, and like then they finally

727
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 2: see each other and it's.

728
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 3: Like a person, and I love you even more. Your

729
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 3: mind was great, But damn you're real.

730
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 2: This AI is coming, you know, And so I mean,

731
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 2: who knows what they're gonna be thinking they're talking to

732
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 2: or who's hand they're holding.

733
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 3: I don't even know about terminator, you know, going on

734
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 3: a date with terminator.

735
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 4: Geez AI is a This is an interesting place we're in.

736
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

737
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 4: The the open AI CEO was on was testifying in

738
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 4: front of Congress and you really don't This is a

739
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 4: new world where where we you've got people who created society,

740
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 4: changing technologies, who are asking for regulation and saying, you

741
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 4: know what I've created and this is it takes an

742
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 4: extreme level of maturity to say, like, you know, what

743
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 4: we created here can be used in a harmful.

744
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 3: Way, and I respect, I respect that perspective.

745
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 4: And him being able to get out there and do that,

746
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:24,439
Speaker 4: unlike the TikTok guy who just denied everything. But this

747
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 4: is a very scary, scary place because there is a

748
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 4: place for things like chat GPT that can be very

749
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 4: very useful for society and will advance society at a

750
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 4: rapid rate, and the things that we need, but put

751
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 4: in the wrong hands is a very dangerous technology. And

752
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 4: when we start talking about, you know, having to decide

753
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 4: and try to interpret what is real and what is

754
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 4: not it, we can be in a very very difficult

755
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 4: spot quickly.

756
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 2: You know, we were filming some scenarios out here where

757
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 2: we do some off site work with a friend of mine,

758
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 2: he runs Mission six zero, former Green Beret Jason van Camp,

759
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 2: and we were out here doing some stuff and we

760
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 2: videotaped it all. And what I was gonna get at

761
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 2: is my buddy's like, hey, rad can you get on

762
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 2: the radio and record yourself talking about like some chatter

763
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 2: over the comms while we overlay in this video while

764
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 2: the guys are moving with you know, the weaponry. It's

765
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 2: like HQHQ glisser and copy how copy That's what they

766
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 2: were really wanting from me. And I was like, you know,

767
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 2: I'm so busy. I can't do it today. He's like,

768
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 2: no problem, and then he sent me a link. He's like,

769
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 2: listen to this and tell me what you think. And

770
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 2: it's me and it's like glcerin, this is rad. Meet

771
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 2: me at the HQ. Let's go to the farmhouse and

772
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 2: grab the objectives. And he's like, yeah, Roger, Rad, this

773
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 2: is glitcering out. And I said to my wife, listen

774
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,720
Speaker 2: to this, and my best friend, business partner, Ajax.

775
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 3: Listen to this.

776
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 2: He's like, that's not you. It's like, it's not me.

777
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,919
Speaker 2: He's like, I can tell it's not you, but it's you.

778
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 2: I was like, right, yep, I'm saying, dude, that's prey.

779
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 2: It's creepy. I didn't give him my voice either, see

780
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 2: my editor. I didn't tell him anything. I said, I

781
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 2: can't make it tonight. I can't get on the radio

782
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 2: to record this. And he's like, oh, no problem. I

783
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 2: didn't give him like the words.

784
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 3: Yeah he went and pullet yeah, pull it yeah, yeah, yeah,

785
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 3: your voice is your voice is all over.

786
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm saying, right, and so it's all over.

787
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 2: I tried chat GBT for messing around with the podcast.

788
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:27,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

789
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 2: I had a dude on and a dude excuse me,

790
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 2: a major general dude, sir.

791
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 3: He's still dude, dude, he's surf.

792
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

793
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 3: He was in charge of the VA.

794
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 2: From sixteen to twenty twenty one, doctor Richard Stone, And

795
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 2: so we were talking and going back and forth, and

796
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 2: I just put in my chat GPT I said, give

797
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 2: me questions for this dude's title at this organization, and

798
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 2: it came up with ask him what.

799
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 3: Can the VA do better?

800
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 2: What can this algorithm do better for VE? I was like,

801
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 2: uh so, I usually use my own questions, like we're

802
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 2: doing right now.

803
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 3: I'm scared you feel me, it can give me all

804
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 3: the questions. Oh man.

805
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 4: I think where we run into some you know, outside

806
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 4: of certainly the national security piece of the whole thing.

807
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 4: I think where we run into some societal issues around

808
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 4: education mm hm. At the end of the day, we

809
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 4: need smart people's right, and there are certain things I

810
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 4: have conversation around with my daughter all the time. You know,

811
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 4: nobody can put the work in for you. You know, you

812
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 4: want to be the lacrosse player, then you got to

813
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 4: go out there and you got to run, you got

814
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 4: to work out, you got to throw the ball, you

815
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 4: got to catch the ball, you got to shoot on

816
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 4: a goal. Nobody can replicate that. And it's the same

817
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 4: for education. You know, like you can't go onto AI

818
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 4: and first of all and not incorporate in the conversation

819
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 4: about what if it's wrong, But you can't educate yourself

820
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 4: through AI. So you can learn something, but you still

821
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,919
Speaker 4: got to read it. You still got to you still

822
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 4: have to interpret it. And when we look at the

823
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 4: educational system, what do things like higher education teach you,

824
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 4: you know, even to use your brain, to use your brain, right,

825
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 4: Like I don't remember size it. Yeah, I don't remember

826
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 4: ninety percent of the things that I learned in college

827
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 4: or in grad school or in undergrad. But what I

828
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 4: learned was how to think through problems, how to do research,

829
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 4: how to find solutions. And if we don't do those things.

830
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 4: And our answer to the thirty page term paper is

831
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 4: to type in write me a paper on X. Right, Well,

832
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 4: haven't gone through the exercise. That's like looking at the rebounder,

833
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 4: looking at the goal, looking at the basket, and then

834
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 4: showing up to the game and being like, let's play

835
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 4: and expect to perform well when it matters.

836
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 2: Without ever running the court right, just like not ever

837
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 2: even just like I can do this. It's preemptive text.

838
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 2: It starts way back then when we were like typing

839
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 2: on our phones, like the AABBCC see, and it would

840
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 2: bring up do you mean these three words?

841
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 3: And you choose one of those three words.

842
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, now we have you

843
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 2: know where it prompts you you misspelled your word right

844
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 2: underlying red or blue, and you're like, oh, I mean

845
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 2: the right word. You're not still spelling the word. You

846
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 2: just read it. You know it's right that way, but

847
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 2: you're not spelling it. So it's really just it's dumbing

848
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 2: us down. I'll say it. We gotta you know you

849
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 2: do you still write with a pencil your self?

850
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 3: Friend? You know it's true? Right yeah? Right here? Same.

851
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 3: It's like I take notes.

852
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 2: I still write because even though my handwriting seems atrocious,

853
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 2: it's still legible.

854
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 4: Sometimes I in my notebook here and sometimes I can't

855
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:40,399
Speaker 4: even read what's on here.

856
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 2: Notes, notes, notes, It says Fran. Says Fran, I'll tell you,

857
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 2: do you have a whiteboard? Do you ever use a

858
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 2: whiteboard still in your Yeah?

859
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:55,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's on the outside. Yeah see.

860
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 2: And I find that a lot of guys from your

861
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 2: you know, your club there all have a whiteboard still

862
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 2: in their life, and they're always plotting and planning on

863
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 2: a whiteboard. And I remember Dad in the office. He'd

864
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 2: had like two to three years out on this big whiteboard,

865
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 2: go all the way along the wall. It's like go

866
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 2: to Thailand, you know, like wow, oh I don't hear you,

867
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 2: Frand friend, I don't hear you.

868
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Speaker 4: Oh sorry, I hit the road, h yeah, hit the

869
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 4: space bar. So there's a so certainly on the white

870
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 4: the whiteboard, you know, is a great tool when it

871
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 4: comes to like ideation and kind of riffing and coming

872
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 4: up with you know, throwing a bunch of things down

873
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 4: really quickly. But what I think what you're talking about

874
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 4: is having that project list, you know, and like so,

875
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 4: you know, my various initiates, would it be the podcast,

876
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 4: whether it be my business and security or the leadership business.

877
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 4: There's a lot of projects going on and things will

878
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 4: become overcome by events and if you don't have something

879
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 4: that you can look at that's kind of always up there,

880
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 4: right that even when you walk in the room and

881
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 4: your your your eye catches it and you're like, oh man,

882
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 4: that project's on you know, it's on the RFPs do

883
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 4: that's there? You know, like okay, but I got to

884
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 4: remember about that. You know what happens on the screens

885
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 4: here is we open other screens and we do other

886
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,320
Speaker 4: things on those screens, and then we forget about that

887
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 4: project tracker. You know that's no longer on the wall.

888
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,320
Speaker 4: I actually hung a TV here but you can't see it,

889
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 4: but behind my monitors where I can project up the

890
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 4: project list. So for that very reason, because I was like,

891
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 4: well I need, you know, every day, I need to

892
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 4: be remembering what are these things that we're working on

893
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 4: or are going to forget about them?

894
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to have that.

895
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 2: It's good to have a visual aid that just reminds

896
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 2: you of I have these things, these goals that I

897
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 2: got to do. It's like, oh, okay, just set a

898
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 2: goal list, chase after it, and even if it's like

899
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 2: a two year timeline, the cool thing is you're moving

900
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,280
Speaker 2: towards your goal and you can move your goalpost.

901
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 3: It's your goal. So if you have to, if you've

902
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 3: gone two years and you followed that timeline and you've

903
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 3: only gotten halfway through what you thought you would have,

904
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 3: at least your goal is still on there and you're

905
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 3: still chasing it. Yep, Yeah, what are you going to do?

906
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 4: I mean I asked the question of folks all the time.

907
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 4: You know, what are you going to do today to

908
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 4: change your position? Because no one's gonna do it for you.

909
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 4: That's the conversation. I know this week having a lot

910
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 4: with my daughter, you know, because she was super upset

911
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 4: about the game. I talked about you know, and I said, look,

912
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 4: the answer is you got to make the team. You

913
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 4: got to make the other team, right. You know, the

914
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 4: answer is you're on the P team. You got to

915
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 4: get on the A team, right because you're not gonna

916
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:27,280
Speaker 4: If you think you're gonna change behavior of twenty other people,

917
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 4: that's not gonna happen. But what you can do is

918
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 4: change your position right to the top. You can do

919
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 4: something every day and it's not gonna happen this season

920
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 4: because a couple of weeks left, but you could start

921
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 4: that process now. And you know, you've got nine months

922
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 4: when you come here into this next year to put

923
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 4: yourself in a position where you're not going to be

924
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 4: around these people anymore, and you're gonna be with the

925
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 4: people who think like you do. But nobody can do

926
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 4: that for you. So what are you gonna do every

927
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 4: single day to change your position? And every morning that's

928
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 4: what I ask her, what are you going to do today?

929
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 4: Ten minutes? Five minutes doesn't have to be. You don't

930
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 4: have to go out there, all right, you know I

931
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 4: point out that you don't have to go outside and

932
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 4: run for an hour and a half. But can you

933
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 4: do ten sprints? Can you run for ten minutes? Can

934
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 4: you take twenty shots on the goal? That take what

935
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 4: two minutes?

936
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 2: Just before you go coool or just before you lay

937
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 2: just go out the door, just like set it up?

938
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 4: What?

939
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 3: What? What? I know? A guy that's bow archery.

940
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 2: I watch him all the time and before he goes

941
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 2: to his regular job and he's a book writer, he

942
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 2: always pulls his bow at like five times and just

943
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 2: then he pieces out in his truck. You know, he's

944
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 2: always dropping that bow. That just constantly honing his craft. Yeah,

945
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 2: ten shots a day before you get on the bus. Yeah,

946
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 2: what's that at the end of the month twenty two,

947
00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:00,760
Speaker 2: over two hundred extra throws, extra extra extra tweaks, extra

948
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 2: static points. You know, I snowboard all the time. My

949
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 2: wife and I go like two three times a week.

950
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 2: It's constantly. I was like, how did I look. She's like,

951
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 2: you look like you? And I'm like no, no, no, no, no,

952
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,760
Speaker 2: Like I look okay, because I always do the filming. Yeah,

953
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 2: not to sound like I want to I see myself,

954
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 2: but I just want to see style. I want to

955
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 2: see my style. Yeah, you know, I'm working on it.

956
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 2: I'm doing these extra little tweaks. I work on this,

957
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 2: this rubber ball that I have behind me where I

958
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,240
Speaker 2: stand on it, these different balance moves.

959
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 4: That's good. Yeah, you got to increase balance. That's all

960
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 4: a core course strength course. It's all course strength.

961
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 3: Yeah.

962
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 2: My right now, I got a sore quad from riding

963
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 2: the slush. It's super slushy up there right now. It's

964
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 2: open till June first. So yeah, one hundred and fifty

965
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 2: inches still of base at Brighton.

966
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 3: Crazy. It is crazy. I know.

967
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,240
Speaker 2: I was talking to someone who's there from New Jersey

968
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 2: and I said, this is probably like your peak season

969
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 2: snow is what We're still trying to keep going up here.

970
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 3: We had enough in this yere right? A couple of

971
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 3: feet maybe a couple of feet.

972
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 5: He's like, I've been here for two weeks riding straight.

973
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 5: It's like, good, okay, get out there, chase it. What's

974
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 5: that guy I do for a job? Because I need

975
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 5: to go do that, you know.

976
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 2: He said, honestly, I asked him. And when people when

977
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 2: I write on the lift, I'm like, so are you

978
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 2: a rock star or rich? I say it all the time.

979
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 2: Just because we're masked up, you don't know who's on

980
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 2: it with you? Is it post Malone? You just don't

981
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 2: know who you're riding? Is it rad is it Fran?

982
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 3: You know? So what do you do? Why do you?

983
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 2: Oh you have a podcast and now you get a

984
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 2: ride on the resort every day. Maybe I need to

985
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 2: go after a podcast, you know.

986
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 3: Yeah.

987
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 2: So he said his wife was a nurse and she

988
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 2: makes good money. And I was like, all right, led

989
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,240
Speaker 2: Zeppelin man, steady loaded, woman, gonna come away.

990
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 3: That's my wife. Yeah, there you go.

991
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 2: That's a shout out to you, babe. I seen that

992
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 2: she always pays for dinner. I'm like, led Zeppelin, baby, well, Fran,

993
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 2: I know I've had your time for about an hour,

994
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 2: and I know it took us about a month to

995
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 2: link up, and I've really had a wonderful time talking

996
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 2: with you. And there's so much more that I'd like

997
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 2: to throw out there, like you're always.

998
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 3: Welcome to be on the show.

999
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,720
Speaker 2: You know, we can do something with Fran in the future,

1000
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 2: and and have you just get motivating, right, You're very

1001
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 2: very cool how you talk and just relate, and I

1002
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 2: appreciate your service to our country and to those that

1003
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 2: you did were able to bring home and those that

1004
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 2: maybe didn't come home. I'm thankful for their service as

1005
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 2: well and the people that they fought for as well.

1006
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 3: So you know, from all of us here, I just

1007
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 3: want to say thanks, well, thank you.

1008
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 4: I love what you're doing, I love your platform, and

1009
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 4: I love the message that you're spreading. So keep up

1010
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 4: the good work and thanks for the invite. I'll definitely

1011
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 4: be on whenever you want me to come on, I'll

1012
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:41,919
Speaker 4: be there.

1013
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 2: So oh no, it's perfect, perfect, that's great, and it's

1014
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,760
Speaker 2: so it's the Jedburg podcast that's going to be posted

1015
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 2: up down at the bottom.

1016
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 3: Of this wherever it's at.

1017
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 2: And you can also go check it out, go like

1018
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 2: and subscribe, click on his notifications.

1019
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 3: Make sure you calm it down below.

1020
00:47:58,120 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 2: Make sure that if it wasn't for you, there'd be

1021
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 2: no I want you to really know that to my listener.

1022
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 2: Also check out our merch store, check out his merch store.

1023
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 2: And I carry this pencil like David Letterman, so I

1024
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 2: can just throw it at the computer. And with that,

1025
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 2: I just want to say peace from all of us.

1026
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 2: Here is software

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