1 00:00:11,697 --> 00:00:14,977 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure 2 00:00:14,977 --> 00:00:17,977 Speaker 1: you subscribe to the podcast on the iHeartRadio app or 3 00:00:18,017 --> 00:00:19,937 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. 4 00:00:20,257 --> 00:00:23,337 Speaker 2: Hey, welcome to the Buck Brief Everybody. This episode, Wilfred 5 00:00:23,497 --> 00:00:25,737 Speaker 2: Riley with us for the first time on the program. 6 00:00:25,777 --> 00:00:28,897 Speaker 2: He is a professor and he has a great book. 7 00:00:29,017 --> 00:00:31,417 Speaker 3: Lies. My liberal teacher told. 8 00:00:31,217 --> 00:00:34,097 Speaker 2: Me the book could be thousands of pages long, but 9 00:00:34,257 --> 00:00:36,257 Speaker 2: it is normal reading length for all of you out there, 10 00:00:36,297 --> 00:00:37,057 Speaker 2: so don't worry. 11 00:00:37,577 --> 00:00:39,177 Speaker 3: Wilfrid appreciate you being with us. 12 00:00:39,897 --> 00:00:41,337 Speaker 2: Can I start with this because this is a debate 13 00:00:41,337 --> 00:00:44,577 Speaker 2: that came up today on the radio show. What should 14 00:00:44,617 --> 00:00:50,297 Speaker 2: people make of the fact that Kamala Harris is a 15 00:00:50,857 --> 00:00:54,417 Speaker 2: Dei hire of sorts as VP. So Kamala is a 16 00:00:54,457 --> 00:00:57,737 Speaker 2: Dei hire. Biden seems to be a dementia patient, and 17 00:00:57,817 --> 00:01:00,377 Speaker 2: so far the Democrats are going with the dementia patient. 18 00:01:00,857 --> 00:01:04,137 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, Kamala Harris is a terrible candidate. Kamala 19 00:01:04,177 --> 00:01:07,377 Speaker 1: Harris actually illustrates some of the risks of quote unquote 20 00:01:07,457 --> 00:01:11,137 Speaker 1: DEI hiring. I mean the New York Post journalist I 21 00:01:11,137 --> 00:01:13,177 Speaker 1: think we both know casually actually took a lot of 22 00:01:13,177 --> 00:01:16,337 Speaker 1: heat for saying this. Could be the first DEI president. Yeah, 23 00:01:16,337 --> 00:01:18,217 Speaker 1: but I mean, you know, uncle Joe, Joe Biden was 24 00:01:18,377 --> 00:01:21,257 Speaker 1: very open about saying, look, I want a black woman 25 00:01:21,457 --> 00:01:24,177 Speaker 1: as my VP. I want to do that for the 26 00:01:24,217 --> 00:01:26,897 Speaker 1: first time. It's going to be, you know, an irishman 27 00:01:26,937 --> 00:01:30,337 Speaker 1: from Scranton and a black lady running this country. And 28 00:01:30,497 --> 00:01:33,297 Speaker 1: so he picked the one black candidate in the race 29 00:01:33,337 --> 00:01:36,097 Speaker 1: who wasn't exactly you know, Carol Swain or one of 30 00:01:36,137 --> 00:01:38,657 Speaker 1: the great intellectual lights of the country. She was pulling 31 00:01:38,737 --> 00:01:41,897 Speaker 1: it one point seventy nine percent. I mean, she had 32 00:01:41,897 --> 00:01:43,537 Speaker 1: to drop out of the race before she got to 33 00:01:43,577 --> 00:01:46,817 Speaker 1: her state when she was running for president. That's pretty exceptional. 34 00:01:47,337 --> 00:01:50,177 Speaker 1: So now you're in that position where the person you've 35 00:01:50,217 --> 00:01:54,337 Speaker 1: picked as a DEI executive is going to theoretically have 36 00:01:54,417 --> 00:01:56,457 Speaker 1: to take over the top job, and you find yourself 37 00:01:56,497 --> 00:01:58,577 Speaker 1: in a position a lot of us have been in 38 00:01:58,617 --> 00:02:00,217 Speaker 1: at a lower level where you kind of know they 39 00:02:00,257 --> 00:02:03,537 Speaker 1: can't do that. So it's pretty problematic for Joe Biden. 40 00:02:03,577 --> 00:02:07,257 Speaker 1: I mean, right now, obviously, the average Democrat would probably 41 00:02:07,337 --> 00:02:10,417 Speaker 1: rather see Joe continue than Kamala Harris. The problem is 42 00:02:10,497 --> 00:02:13,057 Speaker 1: Joe Biden's not functional. So who do you pick and 43 00:02:13,097 --> 00:02:15,777 Speaker 1: you can't just skip the president and the vice and 44 00:02:15,857 --> 00:02:18,617 Speaker 1: throwing Gavin Newsom and Raphael Warnock. I mean, that's not realistic. 45 00:02:18,897 --> 00:02:20,337 Speaker 3: I keep saying this to people. 46 00:02:20,577 --> 00:02:23,377 Speaker 2: I keep telling everyone, Look, I'm persuadable that it's going 47 00:02:23,417 --> 00:02:25,297 Speaker 2: to end up being common. I still think it's going 48 00:02:25,297 --> 00:02:27,377 Speaker 2: to be Joe Biden. And I've been very consistent on this, 49 00:02:27,817 --> 00:02:31,337 Speaker 2: and I'll tell you a Professor Riley, I've gotten emails 50 00:02:31,457 --> 00:02:33,577 Speaker 2: for the last year telling me that I'm nuts, And 51 00:02:33,617 --> 00:02:35,657 Speaker 2: now they're not saying I'm nuts anymore. They're saying, I 52 00:02:35,697 --> 00:02:37,697 Speaker 2: still think you might be wrong, but I'm not going 53 00:02:37,697 --> 00:02:40,097 Speaker 2: to say you're nuts because it's so close to the end, 54 00:02:40,177 --> 00:02:42,457 Speaker 2: and Biden is still very much that the nominee. 55 00:02:42,777 --> 00:02:43,177 Speaker 1: I mean, the. 56 00:02:43,177 --> 00:02:46,777 Speaker 2: Idea that you would replace you would have Biden. 57 00:02:46,817 --> 00:02:47,777 Speaker 3: I suppose he would. 58 00:02:47,817 --> 00:02:50,937 Speaker 2: He would somehow say I'm not running and I don't 59 00:02:50,977 --> 00:02:53,297 Speaker 2: want my vice to ascend. I'm not going to resign. 60 00:02:53,737 --> 00:02:56,017 Speaker 2: I'm not going to elevate the first black she would 61 00:02:56,017 --> 00:02:59,377 Speaker 2: become de facto, she would become, based on the line 62 00:02:59,377 --> 00:03:02,617 Speaker 2: of succession, the first black female president, right if she 63 00:03:02,617 --> 00:03:05,417 Speaker 2: could run as an incumbent, And then you're going to 64 00:03:05,497 --> 00:03:08,297 Speaker 2: go into the convention and allow for a huge fight, 65 00:03:08,377 --> 00:03:11,297 Speaker 2: and you're going to put the uh, kind of smarmy 66 00:03:11,377 --> 00:03:14,137 Speaker 2: white guy Gavin Newsom from California ahead of her and 67 00:03:14,177 --> 00:03:16,537 Speaker 2: hope that black female voters aren't going to think what 68 00:03:16,577 --> 00:03:17,577 Speaker 2: the heck is going on here? 69 00:03:17,617 --> 00:03:18,577 Speaker 3: It just makes no sense. 70 00:03:20,497 --> 00:03:22,897 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not going to happen. And I mean Harris 71 00:03:22,937 --> 00:03:25,537 Speaker 1: has said that pretty openly. I mean she's kind of, 72 00:03:25,617 --> 00:03:28,577 Speaker 1: you know, left shown the hilt of the knife a 73 00:03:28,577 --> 00:03:31,937 Speaker 1: little bit talking about, you know, the most loyal set 74 00:03:31,977 --> 00:03:35,057 Speaker 1: of voters in the Democratic Party knows who I am 75 00:03:35,297 --> 00:03:37,537 Speaker 1: and knows what I bring to the table. Yeah. Yeah, 76 00:03:37,537 --> 00:03:40,377 Speaker 1: I mean Gavin Newsome an interesting guy, friends of Sean 77 00:03:40,417 --> 00:03:42,057 Speaker 1: Hannity and all that, but it kind of looks like 78 00:03:42,097 --> 00:03:46,177 Speaker 1: a sociopathic Kendall Brooks Brothers down to the shoes. You 79 00:03:46,217 --> 00:03:49,977 Speaker 1: can't really trot him out in front of someone who 80 00:03:50,017 --> 00:03:53,377 Speaker 1: went to Howard black sorority woman and just tell the 81 00:03:53,377 --> 00:03:55,457 Speaker 1: black voting base, well, this is what we had to 82 00:03:55,537 --> 00:03:58,617 Speaker 1: do and throw another black vice in there. I mean, 83 00:03:58,657 --> 00:04:00,497 Speaker 1: I don't think you're going to get away with that. 84 00:04:00,737 --> 00:04:03,657 Speaker 1: Is it's either it's either the dimitipation or the or 85 00:04:03,737 --> 00:04:07,137 Speaker 1: Harris as president, and it's going to be Harris's president. 86 00:04:07,137 --> 00:04:08,897 Speaker 1: If Joe runs, by the way, Joe Biden's not going 87 00:04:08,937 --> 00:04:09,297 Speaker 1: to make it. 88 00:04:10,257 --> 00:04:12,097 Speaker 2: I mean, you and I totally agree on this, by 89 00:04:12,097 --> 00:04:14,377 Speaker 2: the way, but see, to me, this means it's actually 90 00:04:14,377 --> 00:04:16,457 Speaker 2: more likely that it will be Biden through the election 91 00:04:16,617 --> 00:04:20,817 Speaker 2: because I think implicitly everybody in American politics, certainly on 92 00:04:20,857 --> 00:04:24,217 Speaker 2: the Democrat side, and I think in general, understands Joe 93 00:04:24,217 --> 00:04:27,177 Speaker 2: Biden is just running to make sure that a Democrat 94 00:04:27,297 --> 00:04:30,137 Speaker 2: has the job for four more years. I don't think 95 00:04:30,137 --> 00:04:32,737 Speaker 2: even Joe Biden thinks. And if people will say, oh, 96 00:04:32,777 --> 00:04:34,937 Speaker 2: why would he give it up? Then because he would 97 00:04:34,937 --> 00:04:37,497 Speaker 2: have he would have vanquished. In Joe Biden's mind, he'll 98 00:04:37,617 --> 00:04:41,937 Speaker 2: vanquish Donald Trump, and he will. He'll say he already 99 00:04:41,937 --> 00:04:45,217 Speaker 2: did it once. He'll vanquish Donald Trump again. He'll effectively 100 00:04:45,297 --> 00:04:49,257 Speaker 2: destroy MAGA. Right, this is again the Democrat narrative and 101 00:04:49,577 --> 00:04:54,137 Speaker 2: hand the first black female president the job of president 102 00:04:54,217 --> 00:04:57,017 Speaker 2: as like his great legacy moment. Joe Biden would do 103 00:04:57,097 --> 00:04:59,857 Speaker 2: that in a heartbeat. The book, the book advance He's 104 00:04:59,857 --> 00:05:02,777 Speaker 2: gonna get goes from you know, five to fifteen million overnight. 105 00:05:05,417 --> 00:05:08,377 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, there's also another more practical reason that 106 00:05:08,497 --> 00:05:11,417 Speaker 1: Joe Biden's probably gonna end up and handing the title over. 107 00:05:11,497 --> 00:05:13,177 Speaker 1: Like I remember watching the debate with some of my 108 00:05:13,177 --> 00:05:16,097 Speaker 1: buddies down here in Kentucky and somebody asks, you know, 109 00:05:16,177 --> 00:05:18,417 Speaker 1: who's that that Joe Biden's looking at off the screen? 110 00:05:18,497 --> 00:05:21,497 Speaker 1: Is it a handler? And somebody else said, it's Jesus, 111 00:05:22,057 --> 00:05:24,297 Speaker 1: you know, not joking, not trying to blaspheme too much, 112 00:05:24,337 --> 00:05:26,457 Speaker 1: but just this is a person that's very close to 113 00:05:26,497 --> 00:05:32,377 Speaker 1: that mortal coil. I think, yeah, he's going to fight 114 00:05:32,377 --> 00:05:34,777 Speaker 1: through the election if they let him. But yeah, I 115 00:05:34,777 --> 00:05:37,217 Speaker 1: mean I would say, you're talking if you're voting for 116 00:05:37,297 --> 00:05:40,377 Speaker 1: Joe Biden for the mainstream Democrats listening to this show 117 00:05:40,417 --> 00:05:42,537 Speaker 1: for a change of pays, what you're voting for its 118 00:05:42,577 --> 00:05:46,097 Speaker 1: President Harris inside a year, and then you're going to 119 00:05:46,137 --> 00:05:48,977 Speaker 1: see another set of conflicts within the party as Harris 120 00:05:49,017 --> 00:05:51,937 Speaker 1: picks a vice president and we kind of settle in 121 00:05:51,977 --> 00:05:54,057 Speaker 1: with a new administration with her at the top. I mean, 122 00:05:54,577 --> 00:05:56,817 Speaker 1: you know, I've I've pretty much openly said I'm I'm 123 00:05:56,897 --> 00:05:59,137 Speaker 1: voting for Trump. Given the options, I mean, it's it's 124 00:05:59,137 --> 00:06:01,937 Speaker 1: either you know, Big Trump, or it's the Biden Harris ticket. 125 00:06:02,257 --> 00:06:04,977 Speaker 1: Both parties by now have picked their nominee. There were 126 00:06:05,017 --> 00:06:08,937 Speaker 1: options in the primaries. Ron DeSantis was in the primaries. 127 00:06:09,177 --> 00:06:11,777 Speaker 1: I don't I don't necessarily know why either party came 128 00:06:11,817 --> 00:06:13,537 Speaker 1: to the conclusion that they did. But there are there 129 00:06:13,537 --> 00:06:14,697 Speaker 1: are two candidates in the race. 130 00:06:14,737 --> 00:06:18,017 Speaker 2: And that's I mean, this is you know, Biden's letter 131 00:06:18,017 --> 00:06:19,457 Speaker 2: that he put that he put out to Congress. I 132 00:06:19,937 --> 00:06:22,497 Speaker 2: made this argument on radio or you know, I in 133 00:06:22,577 --> 00:06:26,537 Speaker 2: essence defended the Biden point of view to other Democrats, 134 00:06:26,537 --> 00:06:29,137 Speaker 2: which is Biden won the primary. I mean, there were 135 00:06:29,177 --> 00:06:30,937 Speaker 2: people that try to run against them, and there were 136 00:06:30,977 --> 00:06:34,777 Speaker 2: other options, and Biden beat Democrats as the incumnment president 137 00:06:34,777 --> 00:06:38,297 Speaker 2: in the primary, people millions of Democrats voted for him. 138 00:06:38,697 --> 00:06:40,577 Speaker 2: This idea that he had a you know that he 139 00:06:41,097 --> 00:06:43,497 Speaker 2: was exposed in the debate, and so now he's forced 140 00:06:43,497 --> 00:06:44,137 Speaker 2: to step down. 141 00:06:44,457 --> 00:06:46,097 Speaker 3: He's not forced, he can choose to do it. 142 00:06:46,217 --> 00:06:49,017 Speaker 2: But I actually, Professor Riley, I want to come back 143 00:06:49,057 --> 00:06:51,817 Speaker 2: and ask you in a second here, because you teach 144 00:06:51,817 --> 00:06:54,417 Speaker 2: at a historically black college at university, right you teach 145 00:06:54,457 --> 00:06:58,817 Speaker 2: in h hb CU. 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We're 172 00:08:13,417 --> 00:08:15,137 Speaker 2: going to talk about some of that though in a moment. 173 00:08:15,177 --> 00:08:20,257 Speaker 2: But first up, So Wilford, what what's it like the 174 00:08:20,337 --> 00:08:22,217 Speaker 2: you know, when you think about I know that you know, 175 00:08:22,217 --> 00:08:23,897 Speaker 2: school's not really in session now, though I'm sure there 176 00:08:23,897 --> 00:08:27,057 Speaker 2: are summer session people. But when you're looking at the 177 00:08:27,097 --> 00:08:32,697 Speaker 2: conversation on an HBCU these days about politics and about 178 00:08:32,817 --> 00:08:36,777 Speaker 2: the Biden Harris ticket, like, how do you because we 179 00:08:36,857 --> 00:08:39,217 Speaker 2: keep hearing that young black men for example, or just 180 00:08:39,217 --> 00:08:41,137 Speaker 2: they've had it with Biden, they've had it with them. 181 00:08:41,217 --> 00:08:42,457 Speaker 2: Are you picking up on that? 182 00:08:42,577 --> 00:08:44,297 Speaker 3: Is that? What's going on? What do you see? 183 00:08:45,977 --> 00:08:48,497 Speaker 1: Yeah? One of the things about teaching it an HBCU 184 00:08:48,577 --> 00:08:51,817 Speaker 1: that I've said before, and Kentucky State University is a 185 00:08:51,977 --> 00:08:55,137 Speaker 1: state U. It's a top two hundred American institution, but 186 00:08:55,177 --> 00:08:57,777 Speaker 1: it's also historically black college. They are about one hundred 187 00:08:57,777 --> 00:09:02,177 Speaker 1: and fifty HBCUs left in the United States, and obviously, 188 00:09:02,297 --> 00:09:04,057 Speaker 1: I mean the law being what it is today, they're 189 00:09:04,057 --> 00:09:07,097 Speaker 1: all pretty integrated we're about sixty percent black, forty percent 190 00:09:07,497 --> 00:09:13,497 Speaker 1: in Kentucky Caucasian and Native. But the HBCUs are not 191 00:09:13,537 --> 00:09:16,817 Speaker 1: as quote unquote woke in general as you might imagine. 192 00:09:16,857 --> 00:09:19,497 Speaker 1: There are definitely some exceptions, but I think that part 193 00:09:19,497 --> 00:09:22,017 Speaker 1: of that is that almost all of the institution at 194 00:09:22,017 --> 00:09:25,457 Speaker 1: the leadership level is African American. So I mean, I've 195 00:09:25,537 --> 00:09:28,537 Speaker 1: had executive jobs at Kentucky State. I've in our university 196 00:09:28,537 --> 00:09:31,297 Speaker 1: on budsmen, for example, And if you're at the decision 197 00:09:31,337 --> 00:09:33,457 Speaker 1: making level, I mean, it's a room full of you know, 198 00:09:33,617 --> 00:09:37,057 Speaker 1: black people in suits. So the idea of sort of, 199 00:09:37,097 --> 00:09:40,257 Speaker 1: you know, white man's responsible for this problem doesn't really 200 00:09:40,257 --> 00:09:41,897 Speaker 1: have a lot of purchase. If you're trying to explain 201 00:09:41,937 --> 00:09:44,217 Speaker 1: to the president what's going on with your budget something 202 00:09:44,257 --> 00:09:47,417 Speaker 1: like that. You know about fifteen to twenty percent of 203 00:09:47,417 --> 00:09:49,897 Speaker 1: black men vote Republican at least occasionally, So you're going 204 00:09:49,977 --> 00:09:52,217 Speaker 1: to have that percentage of you know, Gop Beckers on 205 00:09:52,257 --> 00:09:54,697 Speaker 1: the faculty, and it's just going to be something that's 206 00:09:54,817 --> 00:09:58,417 Speaker 1: quietly accepted. It's not really a matter of discussion. So 207 00:09:58,497 --> 00:10:02,297 Speaker 1: whenever I've looked at what wokeness is, the demographic group 208 00:10:02,377 --> 00:10:05,097 Speaker 1: that stands out really is upper middle class white women 209 00:10:05,937 --> 00:10:08,217 Speaker 1: don't really mean to single out anyone, make fun of anyone, 210 00:10:08,257 --> 00:10:11,777 Speaker 1: But when you look at who's supports quote unquote political 211 00:10:11,857 --> 00:10:15,337 Speaker 1: correctness or who supports limitations on speech, it's going to 212 00:10:15,377 --> 00:10:17,937 Speaker 1: be that population much more than it's going to be 213 00:10:18,057 --> 00:10:21,897 Speaker 1: black men, certainly, Asian Americans, anything like that. And in fact, 214 00:10:21,897 --> 00:10:25,017 Speaker 1: there's a weird disconnect where minorities tend to be more 215 00:10:25,097 --> 00:10:27,777 Speaker 1: socially conservative when it comes to quote unquote gay and 216 00:10:27,857 --> 00:10:32,497 Speaker 1: trans writes anything like that, even than whites overall, but 217 00:10:32,577 --> 00:10:35,137 Speaker 1: tend to vote very heavily for the Democratic Party. So 218 00:10:35,137 --> 00:10:37,017 Speaker 1: there's a real question of how can we stop that, 219 00:10:37,337 --> 00:10:39,577 Speaker 1: how can we shift that that? I mean, every consultant 220 00:10:39,577 --> 00:10:41,297 Speaker 1: on the right side, as you know, has been working 221 00:10:41,337 --> 00:10:44,417 Speaker 1: on for you know, decades without much success. But I mean, 222 00:10:44,497 --> 00:10:47,857 Speaker 1: at any rate, the conversation on an HBCU campus is 223 00:10:48,177 --> 00:10:51,177 Speaker 1: pretty broad because it's it's unchecked. There's nothing that you 224 00:10:51,697 --> 00:10:53,537 Speaker 1: can't say, which I guess is a form of black 225 00:10:53,577 --> 00:10:57,017 Speaker 1: privilege quote unquote with young black men. Yeah, you definitely 226 00:10:57,057 --> 00:11:00,337 Speaker 1: see that there's a reaction to quote unquote PC there's 227 00:11:00,337 --> 00:11:03,977 Speaker 1: a reaction to constant bashing of guys, which definitely targets 228 00:11:04,057 --> 00:11:07,177 Speaker 1: black athletes and so on nearly as much as white guys. 229 00:11:07,977 --> 00:11:09,697 Speaker 1: There's a reaction to just a lot of things, the 230 00:11:09,777 --> 00:11:12,897 Speaker 1: job market, a mass migration, which we're starting to see 231 00:11:12,897 --> 00:11:15,297 Speaker 1: in Kentucky. I mean, the population changes in a lot 232 00:11:15,297 --> 00:11:17,537 Speaker 1: of places. And I also think there's just a lot 233 00:11:17,537 --> 00:11:20,257 Speaker 1: of affection for Trump like most and I don't. I 234 00:11:20,297 --> 00:11:23,137 Speaker 1: mean not that I'm not gonna love Trump by any means, 235 00:11:23,457 --> 00:11:27,297 Speaker 1: but in general, fairly confident, fairly aggressive people don't like 236 00:11:27,377 --> 00:11:31,817 Speaker 1: absurd self deprecation. People thought it was ridiculous when the 237 00:11:31,897 --> 00:11:34,657 Speaker 1: leadership of the Democratic Party put on kent a cloth, 238 00:11:35,057 --> 00:11:38,497 Speaker 1: for example, in Nelton the Congressional rotunda to praise George Floyd. 239 00:11:38,897 --> 00:11:40,777 Speaker 1: So when this big guy from New York with the 240 00:11:40,857 --> 00:11:43,217 Speaker 1: red tie on stands up and says, you know, I'm 241 00:11:43,217 --> 00:11:44,977 Speaker 1: not racist, but what the hell do you have to lose? 242 00:11:45,417 --> 00:11:47,777 Speaker 1: And why not vote for me? I plan on lowering taxes, 243 00:11:47,937 --> 00:11:51,537 Speaker 1: brings out hip hop, MC's at events, goes to the 244 00:11:51,577 --> 00:11:53,497 Speaker 1: South Bronx, and does shows. I mean, I think that 245 00:11:53,537 --> 00:11:57,177 Speaker 1: from a lot of normal African American or Hispanic males 246 00:11:57,217 --> 00:11:58,977 Speaker 1: in particular, you're gonna get a reaction of why not. 247 00:11:59,057 --> 00:12:01,897 Speaker 1: I might try this. I'm not offended by this certainly. 248 00:12:02,257 --> 00:12:04,537 Speaker 1: So you have a pretty broad range of perspectives, and yeah, 249 00:12:04,577 --> 00:12:06,617 Speaker 1: some of those are pro GOP. There are also a 250 00:12:06,657 --> 00:12:08,457 Speaker 1: lot of people that are Quoe unquote riding with Biden. 251 00:12:08,497 --> 00:12:10,777 Speaker 1: So I mean you have a pretty pretty odd conversation. 252 00:12:12,057 --> 00:12:16,577 Speaker 2: Why doesn't Kamala Harris do better among particularly African American 253 00:12:16,657 --> 00:12:17,497 Speaker 2: voters in your view? 254 00:12:18,897 --> 00:12:21,217 Speaker 1: Well, I mean Kamala Harris, and so again this is 255 00:12:21,257 --> 00:12:24,937 Speaker 1: all relative. Like since the Great Society of the nineteen sixties, 256 00:12:24,937 --> 00:12:28,497 Speaker 1: the Democrats have pretty consistently won seventy plus percent of 257 00:12:28,537 --> 00:12:30,657 Speaker 1: Black So I mean when you say Kamala Harris has 258 00:12:30,657 --> 00:12:32,177 Speaker 1: seen is kind of a joke candidate, I mean that 259 00:12:32,257 --> 00:12:35,537 Speaker 1: might mean that she would win seventy five percent and 260 00:12:35,657 --> 00:12:38,097 Speaker 1: you know hears some wit and some rhetorics versus winning 261 00:12:38,537 --> 00:12:42,057 Speaker 1: ninety percent. But why is Kamala Harris considered a bad candidate? 262 00:12:42,097 --> 00:12:44,297 Speaker 1: And I think this is true for people of all races. 263 00:12:44,937 --> 00:12:49,137 Speaker 1: Part of it's just that she seems very forced, very unpersonable. 264 00:12:49,857 --> 00:12:52,137 Speaker 1: I mean, like you seem like an enjoyable guy to 265 00:12:52,177 --> 00:12:54,297 Speaker 1: talk to. I think I am. I don't get that 266 00:12:54,337 --> 00:12:58,617 Speaker 1: impression from VP Harris. No, she has these these very 267 00:12:58,657 --> 00:13:02,417 Speaker 1: forced moments as sort of this this stiff business woman 268 00:13:02,457 --> 00:13:04,377 Speaker 1: who's forced to talk about how she loved taking the 269 00:13:04,417 --> 00:13:07,777 Speaker 1: bus to school or why she's a big fan of NASA. 270 00:13:07,857 --> 00:13:11,217 Speaker 1: That have actually gone viral on Bill Maher Gutfeld, and 271 00:13:11,257 --> 00:13:13,017 Speaker 1: you get the impression that a lot of her public 272 00:13:13,057 --> 00:13:16,217 Speaker 1: appearances are like that, the ceremonial bringing out of a 273 00:13:16,217 --> 00:13:18,937 Speaker 1: bottle of hot sauce. She's also not a great politician 274 00:13:19,017 --> 00:13:22,377 Speaker 1: one point nine percent. She has a background that really 275 00:13:22,377 --> 00:13:25,177 Speaker 1: conflicts with her image now sort of civil rights leader, 276 00:13:25,417 --> 00:13:28,177 Speaker 1: and she was a famously tough prosecutor who was locked 277 00:13:28,257 --> 00:13:31,537 Speaker 1: up parents who were responsible for truant children. So I 278 00:13:31,577 --> 00:13:33,297 Speaker 1: don't have a problem with that, but that doesn't hitch 279 00:13:33,297 --> 00:13:35,897 Speaker 1: well to the black community. So just a lot of conflicts. 280 00:13:36,177 --> 00:13:38,817 Speaker 1: I will say. Also, don't really know how to feel 281 00:13:38,817 --> 00:13:40,697 Speaker 1: about this, but there's some question about whether she is 282 00:13:40,737 --> 00:13:45,737 Speaker 1: African American. So Kamala Harris is Indian and Jamaican and 283 00:13:45,777 --> 00:13:48,737 Speaker 1: from the lordly class on both sides. So this comes 284 00:13:48,777 --> 00:13:53,577 Speaker 1: up sometimes with elite politicians from sort of the ivy class. 285 00:13:54,257 --> 00:13:57,577 Speaker 1: Barack Obama was white and Kenyan, and again from the 286 00:13:57,617 --> 00:14:01,297 Speaker 1: near nobility. So the question is when people start talking 287 00:14:01,297 --> 00:14:04,817 Speaker 1: about the black experience. Do you have the black experience? Bro? 288 00:14:05,377 --> 00:14:07,897 Speaker 1: I mean, and Barack Obama is from Indonesia in terms 289 00:14:07,937 --> 00:14:11,537 Speaker 1: of childhood, upbringing and real' so I think people are 290 00:14:11,577 --> 00:14:13,537 Speaker 1: aware of that. With Harris as well. Some people like her, 291 00:14:13,617 --> 00:14:15,377 Speaker 1: many people don't. There are a lot of reasons for that. 292 00:14:16,737 --> 00:14:18,937 Speaker 2: Very interesting, professor. Let's talk about your book here in 293 00:14:18,977 --> 00:14:21,217 Speaker 2: a second. Lies My liberal teacher told me. We'll get 294 00:14:21,217 --> 00:14:22,577 Speaker 2: to this in just a minute. But first off, you know, 295 00:14:22,577 --> 00:14:24,257 Speaker 2: if you had a million dollars in two thousand and 296 00:14:24,337 --> 00:14:27,217 Speaker 2: nine today, it'd be worth less than seven hundred thousand. 297 00:14:27,737 --> 00:14:29,977 Speaker 2: This is the effect of out of control government spending. 298 00:14:29,977 --> 00:14:32,497 Speaker 2: This is what inflation does to your hard earned dollars 299 00:14:32,497 --> 00:14:35,097 Speaker 2: that you've saved and put in banks. That's why savvy 300 00:14:35,097 --> 00:14:38,297 Speaker 2: investors are doing something about it. 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What 319 00:15:32,697 --> 00:15:35,697 Speaker 1: the book does is look broadly at this claim that 320 00:15:35,737 --> 00:15:39,177 Speaker 1: we hear constantly. There's a famous book called lies. My 321 00:15:39,257 --> 00:15:43,177 Speaker 1: teacher told me. There's another famous book called sixteen nineteen, 322 00:15:43,737 --> 00:15:46,097 Speaker 1: you know, a Black History of America, and the sort 323 00:15:46,137 --> 00:15:48,577 Speaker 1: of implied subtitle is and the lies they're telling you. 324 00:15:48,977 --> 00:15:51,417 Speaker 1: There's another book called Bury my Heart, It Wounded Me, 325 00:15:51,697 --> 00:15:54,657 Speaker 1: a Native history of the United States. I might be 326 00:15:54,697 --> 00:15:56,377 Speaker 1: off by a word or two in some of these titles. 327 00:15:56,577 --> 00:15:59,657 Speaker 1: There's that old communist Howard zen's a people's history of 328 00:15:59,657 --> 00:16:01,897 Speaker 1: the United States, and you probably get the point by now. 329 00:16:02,377 --> 00:16:05,737 Speaker 1: But the idea of all of these is twofold. Like 330 00:16:05,817 --> 00:16:09,057 Speaker 1: one is the idea that you're living in the worst 331 00:16:09,097 --> 00:16:15,177 Speaker 1: culture every doweks like modern Western euro descent, white descent society. 332 00:16:16,257 --> 00:16:19,577 Speaker 1: You know, we build the slave labor existed in this country. 333 00:16:19,617 --> 00:16:23,337 Speaker 1: We genocided the Native American Indians, women were oppressed, We 334 00:16:23,457 --> 00:16:26,697 Speaker 1: dropped bombs on our military opponents, buck, you know, just 335 00:16:26,697 --> 00:16:28,617 Speaker 1: so on on and on down the line of these 336 00:16:28,737 --> 00:16:32,657 Speaker 1: these things, these alleged unique atrocities. It's always our original sin, 337 00:16:32,737 --> 00:16:35,057 Speaker 1: our unique sin that we should feel guilty about. That's 338 00:16:35,057 --> 00:16:38,017 Speaker 1: point one, and point two is this idea that you 339 00:16:38,457 --> 00:16:41,137 Speaker 1: are sort of an edgy rebel if you know that 340 00:16:41,177 --> 00:16:43,857 Speaker 1: we're bad. So if you ever read high school or 341 00:16:43,857 --> 00:16:46,337 Speaker 1: collegiate textbooks, they're these sort of panels on the side 342 00:16:46,337 --> 00:16:49,057 Speaker 1: of the page that say things like your parents probably 343 00:16:49,097 --> 00:16:52,417 Speaker 1: don't know too much about feminism, with an arrow linking 344 00:16:52,457 --> 00:16:55,137 Speaker 1: you to kind of radical campus resources that can help 345 00:16:55,177 --> 00:16:58,577 Speaker 1: you find out more. And this goes down even into 346 00:16:58,617 --> 00:17:01,777 Speaker 1: the earlier grades where they're wildly inappropriate books on sex 347 00:17:01,897 --> 00:17:05,177 Speaker 1: education that link to internet sites that can explain things 348 00:17:05,177 --> 00:17:06,817 Speaker 1: to you in more detail, and so on down the line. 349 00:17:06,857 --> 00:17:09,777 Speaker 1: So you are woke in the legitimate sense. You're awake 350 00:17:09,857 --> 00:17:14,897 Speaker 1: if you know this. And when I started writing Lis, 351 00:17:14,937 --> 00:17:17,937 Speaker 1: my liberal teacher told me my assumption was twofold. One 352 00:17:18,737 --> 00:17:21,417 Speaker 1: was that the West is not a uniquely bad society, 353 00:17:21,417 --> 00:17:23,937 Speaker 1: if anything, were a uniquely good society. And I think, 354 00:17:24,017 --> 00:17:27,137 Speaker 1: as a mani historians have found out, and as generalist 355 00:17:27,177 --> 00:17:29,217 Speaker 1: scholars like Thomas Saul have found in the past, that 356 00:17:29,297 --> 00:17:32,217 Speaker 1: turns out to be true. Things like war for conquest 357 00:17:32,337 --> 00:17:36,617 Speaker 1: existed literally everywhere until literally the past few decades of 358 00:17:36,617 --> 00:17:40,697 Speaker 1: the human species. The right to conquest wasn't abolished until 359 00:17:40,697 --> 00:17:43,217 Speaker 1: after we beat the Axis powers in nineteen forty six. 360 00:17:43,697 --> 00:17:46,537 Speaker 1: Before that, if you beat someone in a fairly honest war, 361 00:17:46,977 --> 00:17:50,457 Speaker 1: you took their country. Major nations like Italy and Ethiopia 362 00:17:50,457 --> 00:17:53,897 Speaker 1: would simply fight for the ownership of lands that belonged 363 00:17:53,897 --> 00:17:55,537 Speaker 1: to one of the two powers. That was just reality. 364 00:17:55,617 --> 00:17:58,177 Speaker 1: So nothing unique about the West. Slavery one of the 365 00:17:58,177 --> 00:18:01,817 Speaker 1: oldest human vices. Slave one of the first twenty human words. 366 00:18:01,817 --> 00:18:04,137 Speaker 1: I demonstrate that in the book. It's a word in 367 00:18:04,217 --> 00:18:08,217 Speaker 1: Egyptian hieroglyphic language. Samerian Kinea form language. But also two, 368 00:18:08,217 --> 00:18:12,537 Speaker 1: which I think is more important, being aware of modern leftism, 369 00:18:12,617 --> 00:18:16,257 Speaker 1: being aware of feminism or moderate socialism or something like that. 370 00:18:16,417 --> 00:18:21,057 Speaker 1: Isn't some unique edgy thing. These are the mainstream ideas 371 00:18:21,097 --> 00:18:24,377 Speaker 1: in society. The books that I'm negatively reviewing are the 372 00:18:24,457 --> 00:18:29,337 Speaker 1: textbooks used in high school. The most popular curricula in 373 00:18:29,377 --> 00:18:32,497 Speaker 1: the high schools are things like the sixteen nineteen curriculum, 374 00:18:33,057 --> 00:18:36,857 Speaker 1: the Zin Projects, Zin Education curriculums going down the line. 375 00:18:36,937 --> 00:18:39,217 Speaker 1: So what I'm saying is one, we're actually better than 376 00:18:39,217 --> 00:18:43,977 Speaker 1: most other societies, but also two, we're teaching our children 377 00:18:44,817 --> 00:18:48,657 Speaker 1: that we are worse. We're doing this at the mainstream level, 378 00:18:48,937 --> 00:18:52,057 Speaker 1: and we're presenting this as some kind of revolutionary education 379 00:18:52,257 --> 00:18:55,857 Speaker 1: designed to counter something else, designed to counter people's own parents, 380 00:18:56,137 --> 00:18:58,177 Speaker 1: And so I ask why this is. I think it's 381 00:18:58,177 --> 00:19:00,097 Speaker 1: an important thing to do, But in terms of the 382 00:19:00,137 --> 00:19:02,097 Speaker 1: actual lives themselves, I mean, there are many of the 383 00:19:02,137 --> 00:19:04,697 Speaker 1: things that we've mostly been told in the American upper 384 00:19:04,697 --> 00:19:07,697 Speaker 1: middle class. One of them is the Rid Scare, with 385 00:19:07,737 --> 00:19:09,977 Speaker 1: sort of a public panic that didn't catch any common 386 00:19:11,337 --> 00:19:14,817 Speaker 1: We now have the classified Venona cables from Soviet Russia, 387 00:19:15,257 --> 00:19:17,977 Speaker 1: so we know who the Russian spies were that existed 388 00:19:18,057 --> 00:19:20,817 Speaker 1: during that James bond era, and I mean most of 389 00:19:20,857 --> 00:19:25,417 Speaker 1: the people A Dalton, Trumbo, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, so 390 00:19:25,537 --> 00:19:27,897 Speaker 1: on down the line that became these caused celebs on 391 00:19:27,937 --> 00:19:29,777 Speaker 1: the left. Why are they being attacked for no reason? 392 00:19:29,937 --> 00:19:31,337 Speaker 1: They actually were Russian agents. 393 00:19:31,337 --> 00:19:35,297 Speaker 2: We know they were spies. This is true, yes, yeah, yeah. 394 00:19:35,137 --> 00:19:37,097 Speaker 1: They have code names like wild Boar. I mean you 395 00:19:37,137 --> 00:19:40,497 Speaker 1: can just literally go to Wikipedia or Britannica and google Venona, 396 00:19:41,137 --> 00:19:44,737 Speaker 1: NA cables and see who the spies were and what 397 00:19:44,817 --> 00:19:49,137 Speaker 1: their nicknames were. So that's one of them. Native Americans 398 00:19:49,177 --> 00:19:53,577 Speaker 1: were not peaceful for me, someone who's over forty, who 399 00:19:53,697 --> 00:19:56,017 Speaker 1: was educated in an urban but functional school, I mean 400 00:19:56,057 --> 00:19:58,417 Speaker 1: that goes out saying the Comanche and so on were 401 00:19:58,737 --> 00:20:00,977 Speaker 1: taught to us accurately as some of the greatest warriors 402 00:20:00,977 --> 00:20:03,497 Speaker 1: in history up there at the Mongols. But today, I 403 00:20:03,537 --> 00:20:05,657 Speaker 1: recently I had a phone interview with one of the 404 00:20:05,657 --> 00:20:08,577 Speaker 1: guys from Skeptic Research Center, just talking about his projects 405 00:20:08,657 --> 00:20:10,897 Speaker 1: getting in touch with new research on kind of the 406 00:20:10,897 --> 00:20:14,457 Speaker 1: center right, and he told me that their latest survey 407 00:20:15,657 --> 00:20:19,497 Speaker 1: revealed that seventy percent of young people think that Native 408 00:20:19,497 --> 00:20:23,217 Speaker 1: American Indians were peaceful. They lived in complete harmony with nature. 409 00:20:23,537 --> 00:20:25,617 Speaker 1: They didn't fight one another at least to the level 410 00:20:25,617 --> 00:20:30,017 Speaker 1: of multiple deaths or extermination. And that's complete fantasy. I mean, 411 00:20:30,017 --> 00:20:33,297 Speaker 1: the Aztecs built an entire cannibal kingdom down there in Mexico. 412 00:20:33,617 --> 00:20:36,217 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know Comanche, who you mentioned for 413 00:20:36,257 --> 00:20:36,697 Speaker 2: the audience. 414 00:20:36,697 --> 00:20:37,337 Speaker 3: Everyone should know. 415 00:20:37,537 --> 00:20:42,337 Speaker 2: But the Comanche way of warfare was specifically this is 416 00:20:42,377 --> 00:20:44,937 Speaker 2: not something that gets talked about. I've actually read extensively 417 00:20:44,937 --> 00:20:51,217 Speaker 2: about the Comanche, specifically professor specifically to attack helpless women 418 00:20:51,257 --> 00:20:53,937 Speaker 2: and children with greater numbers. If they did have to 419 00:20:53,937 --> 00:20:56,577 Speaker 2: attack place where they were men, to basically engage in 420 00:20:56,617 --> 00:20:58,857 Speaker 2: what they called murder raids that's what the Tejano or 421 00:20:58,897 --> 00:21:01,977 Speaker 2: Texan early settlers call them. Where they would come in 422 00:21:02,337 --> 00:21:04,617 Speaker 2: and they would kill everybody. They might grab a few 423 00:21:05,097 --> 00:21:08,097 Speaker 2: children and rear them as slaves, and if there were 424 00:21:08,097 --> 00:21:09,697 Speaker 2: any men who resisted, not only was there a lot 425 00:21:09,697 --> 00:21:11,337 Speaker 2: of skot thing that went on, but actually they enjoy 426 00:21:11,457 --> 00:21:14,937 Speaker 2: doing particularly excruciating torture to people and this was considered 427 00:21:14,977 --> 00:21:15,777 Speaker 2: completely normal. 428 00:21:16,217 --> 00:21:18,017 Speaker 3: This was just the way that they feel the command. 429 00:21:19,097 --> 00:21:21,817 Speaker 1: Yeah, the commanche their basic strategy in war was to 430 00:21:22,017 --> 00:21:24,777 Speaker 1: kill all the men, and except for a very few 431 00:21:24,817 --> 00:21:28,377 Speaker 1: exceptionally brave men, this would usually involve extreme tortures. If 432 00:21:28,377 --> 00:21:31,737 Speaker 1: you survive being shot or whatever, you'd be staked out 433 00:21:31,737 --> 00:21:35,057 Speaker 1: alive over a red ant hills, right skinned and left 434 00:21:35,057 --> 00:21:37,137 Speaker 1: out on the planes for wolves to eat. This kind 435 00:21:37,177 --> 00:21:39,257 Speaker 1: of thing. So you kill all the men, you gang 436 00:21:39,337 --> 00:21:41,977 Speaker 1: rape all the women, and then you if they're under twelve, 437 00:21:41,977 --> 00:21:44,817 Speaker 1: you usually actually adopt the kids, so they become commanche warriors. 438 00:21:44,897 --> 00:21:48,097 Speaker 1: The Commanchry were a mixed race group of these sort 439 00:21:48,097 --> 00:21:50,777 Speaker 1: of wild riders, and they would paint themselves. Their face 440 00:21:50,817 --> 00:21:53,457 Speaker 1: paint was extremely well done. Base was black, so they'd 441 00:21:53,497 --> 00:21:56,817 Speaker 1: look like demons. They'd wear wolf masks on their head. 442 00:21:56,817 --> 00:21:59,177 Speaker 1: I mean they were. As a young man you might 443 00:21:59,177 --> 00:22:02,097 Speaker 1: find them almost an impressive culture. But they were deadly 444 00:22:02,177 --> 00:22:05,097 Speaker 1: warriors and extremely brutal to other people. And I think 445 00:22:05,137 --> 00:22:11,377 Speaker 1: as civilization has progressed, that negative image first became universally 446 00:22:11,457 --> 00:22:14,937 Speaker 1: known and then became important to shelf. They couldn't have 447 00:22:15,017 --> 00:22:17,297 Speaker 1: that as the Mexican's so interesting. 448 00:22:17,337 --> 00:22:21,737 Speaker 2: You know that the Mexicans, the Mexican settlers initially, and 449 00:22:21,777 --> 00:22:24,697 Speaker 2: I guess this would be like seventeenth more seventeenth and 450 00:22:24,977 --> 00:22:30,297 Speaker 2: in the eighteenth century. But the early Mexican settlers were trying, 451 00:22:30,337 --> 00:22:34,217 Speaker 2: you know, they had these monks and priests who would 452 00:22:34,217 --> 00:22:37,057 Speaker 2: go out and try to convert and the commandon wanted 453 00:22:37,057 --> 00:22:39,257 Speaker 2: no part of any of this. Like this is the problem. 454 00:22:39,337 --> 00:22:42,897 Speaker 2: Was the Spanish kept thinking, we'll bring them Christianity and 455 00:22:42,937 --> 00:22:45,937 Speaker 2: we will civilize them. And they kept responding with we 456 00:22:46,017 --> 00:22:47,937 Speaker 2: are going to stake your priests out on an hills 457 00:22:48,377 --> 00:22:51,097 Speaker 2: and you know, steal all your stuff and like rape 458 00:22:51,097 --> 00:22:52,937 Speaker 2: and murder anybody who gets in the way. And that 459 00:22:52,977 --> 00:22:55,177 Speaker 2: went on for about one hundred and fifty years, and 460 00:22:55,217 --> 00:22:58,737 Speaker 2: the Spanish basically couldn't expand their empire further than the 461 00:22:58,737 --> 00:23:00,537 Speaker 2: Plains Indians. And of course they're the ones who gave 462 00:23:00,537 --> 00:23:02,057 Speaker 2: them the horses in the first place, which is the 463 00:23:02,057 --> 00:23:04,977 Speaker 2: great irony of this all. They weren't a horse people 464 00:23:05,017 --> 00:23:06,457 Speaker 2: to the Spanish came along. 465 00:23:07,657 --> 00:23:10,417 Speaker 1: This was a problem actually historically, like most to the 466 00:23:10,417 --> 00:23:13,937 Speaker 1: great warrior peoples like the Vikings, the Zulus, the Comanchi 467 00:23:14,017 --> 00:23:16,777 Speaker 1: and the South, thought that Christianity was a religion for slaves, 468 00:23:17,137 --> 00:23:20,457 Speaker 1: which is also a Western aristocratic critique of Christianity from 469 00:23:20,537 --> 00:23:23,097 Speaker 1: Nietzsche and so on. But yeah, I mean, priests would 470 00:23:23,097 --> 00:23:25,497 Speaker 1: come out to the commancher rear to the Viking country 471 00:23:25,537 --> 00:23:27,417 Speaker 1: and say, well, I want to teach you about the 472 00:23:27,537 --> 00:23:30,697 Speaker 1: religion of peace, where you can't fight and where women 473 00:23:30,737 --> 00:23:33,177 Speaker 1: are equal to men, and the Comanchi would just say 474 00:23:33,217 --> 00:23:35,657 Speaker 1: give us all your money and we might let you live, 475 00:23:35,657 --> 00:23:37,497 Speaker 1: and the priests would say, no, we insist on teaching 476 00:23:37,497 --> 00:23:39,257 Speaker 1: you the way, and the commands you would say, okay, 477 00:23:39,257 --> 00:23:40,377 Speaker 1: we're going to burn you alive. 478 00:23:40,497 --> 00:23:44,777 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was a very common thing for them. 479 00:23:44,897 --> 00:23:46,897 Speaker 1: Yeah. So, I mean, I suppose many of the priests became, 480 00:23:46,937 --> 00:23:49,017 Speaker 1: you know, martyrs for the Most High God and all that. 481 00:23:49,057 --> 00:23:51,217 Speaker 1: But I mean to the warriors societies, this was just 482 00:23:51,257 --> 00:23:54,137 Speaker 1: a joke. These people believed in a faith that obviously 483 00:23:54,137 --> 00:23:57,217 Speaker 1: couldn't protect them. The Zulus thought the same thing, you know. 484 00:23:57,337 --> 00:24:00,497 Speaker 1: So eventually the Spanish and even better, the Americans who 485 00:24:00,577 --> 00:24:03,457 Speaker 1: began the Texas Rangers and so on, decided that it 486 00:24:03,457 --> 00:24:05,137 Speaker 1: would be it might be more effective to argue with 487 00:24:05,177 --> 00:24:06,857 Speaker 1: the tools of this world. So they just sent big 488 00:24:06,937 --> 00:24:09,137 Speaker 1: armies onto the commander ren killed them all. So that 489 00:24:09,377 --> 00:24:11,457 Speaker 1: was what was in spiritual dispute. 490 00:24:11,657 --> 00:24:12,297 Speaker 3: People forget this. 491 00:24:12,417 --> 00:24:15,617 Speaker 2: The Texas Rangers, which now everyone thinks of Chuck Norris 492 00:24:15,657 --> 00:24:18,977 Speaker 2: and like this contemporary like fly kick police officer role 493 00:24:19,097 --> 00:24:22,457 Speaker 2: or something. It was to stop the depredations of the 494 00:24:22,497 --> 00:24:26,137 Speaker 2: Comanche and the Apache and the Kiowa on the Texan 495 00:24:26,257 --> 00:24:31,537 Speaker 2: Frontier which were ongoing and incredibly brutal and something that 496 00:24:31,577 --> 00:24:33,257 Speaker 2: people don't you know, you mentioned Arry Mahart. 497 00:24:33,257 --> 00:24:33,977 Speaker 3: It wounded knee. 498 00:24:34,177 --> 00:24:36,777 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's if you just want to start at where 499 00:24:37,417 --> 00:24:43,817 Speaker 2: basically the entirety of the Pioneer Frontier views natives as 500 00:24:44,497 --> 00:24:48,297 Speaker 2: untrustworthy murderers, rapists and liars. Who Now it was that 501 00:24:48,377 --> 00:24:50,737 Speaker 2: fair and all? Of course not and were there bad 502 00:24:50,777 --> 00:24:53,297 Speaker 2: things that happened, went both ways, of course, but very. 503 00:24:53,137 --> 00:24:53,977 Speaker 3: My heart wounded kne. 504 00:24:53,977 --> 00:24:56,497 Speaker 2: It is like these like really nice native tribes were 505 00:24:56,537 --> 00:24:58,737 Speaker 2: just hanging out and we kept making treaties and stealing 506 00:24:58,737 --> 00:25:01,417 Speaker 2: their land and there was yeah, well, I mean the 507 00:25:01,457 --> 00:25:04,497 Speaker 2: Commanche as soon as they got weapons from the French traders, 508 00:25:04,737 --> 00:25:08,097 Speaker 2: you know, guns and metal weapons, they tried to kill 509 00:25:08,137 --> 00:25:10,457 Speaker 2: as many of their competitor tribes as they could as 510 00:25:10,457 --> 00:25:11,817 Speaker 2: fast as they couldn't take their land. 511 00:25:11,857 --> 00:25:13,137 Speaker 3: Like this is the way things were done. 512 00:25:14,817 --> 00:25:17,737 Speaker 1: That's exactly correct. Yeah, Like one of my critiques of 513 00:25:17,817 --> 00:25:19,737 Speaker 1: Bury my heart. It wounded me is that it's just 514 00:25:19,817 --> 00:25:23,017 Speaker 1: it's a recitation of four hundred years of Native military defeats, 515 00:25:23,537 --> 00:25:26,497 Speaker 1: and I actually am a fan of the Native Americans. 516 00:25:26,577 --> 00:25:28,897 Speaker 1: So reading through the book, one of my questions was 517 00:25:28,897 --> 00:25:31,537 Speaker 1: where are the victories? Like you'd kind of wonder why 518 00:25:31,537 --> 00:25:34,297 Speaker 1: the war took four hundred years if you were only 519 00:25:34,377 --> 00:25:37,377 Speaker 1: aware of this perspective. Yeah, the idea is that sort 520 00:25:37,417 --> 00:25:41,097 Speaker 1: of these peaceful eloy were just relaxing eating their grass 521 00:25:41,137 --> 00:25:45,377 Speaker 1: stew and the Whites, who are apparently very slow walkers to 522 00:25:45,497 --> 00:25:48,257 Speaker 1: judge from the pace of the conflict, came from nowhere 523 00:25:48,257 --> 00:25:51,257 Speaker 1: and started massacring them. And no, the reality you hit 524 00:25:51,297 --> 00:25:53,537 Speaker 1: on a very important point, which is that modern dorm 525 00:25:53,617 --> 00:25:56,177 Speaker 1: room morality has only existed I think we both said 526 00:25:56,217 --> 00:26:00,937 Speaker 1: for a couple of decades. So prior to nineteen fifty 527 00:26:00,937 --> 00:26:03,257 Speaker 1: four would be a good year here as I understand, 528 00:26:03,297 --> 00:26:05,177 Speaker 1: that was the year the last of the Geneva Conventions 529 00:26:05,217 --> 00:26:07,177 Speaker 1: was ratified. So if you capture other fighting men, you 530 00:26:07,217 --> 00:26:10,377 Speaker 1: can't rape them, brand them, torture them, march through the 531 00:26:10,417 --> 00:26:13,537 Speaker 1: downtown of your city. That was the year we desegregated 532 00:26:13,537 --> 00:26:15,817 Speaker 1: in the USA. So if you have warring ethnic groups. 533 00:26:15,817 --> 00:26:18,337 Speaker 1: You can't keep them separate in different halves of the 534 00:26:18,377 --> 00:26:22,417 Speaker 1: town divided by a stone fence. You know, women, you know, 535 00:26:22,497 --> 00:26:24,537 Speaker 1: they could vote by that point, but marital rate was 536 00:26:24,577 --> 00:26:27,177 Speaker 1: still legal. So I mean, maybe at that point we 537 00:26:27,177 --> 00:26:30,617 Speaker 1: were starting to get close to modern ethics. But prior 538 00:26:30,617 --> 00:26:33,537 Speaker 1: to that point, I mean, the traditions that had existed 539 00:26:33,657 --> 00:26:36,497 Speaker 1: through all of human history were still there. One of 540 00:26:36,497 --> 00:26:39,457 Speaker 1: them was razia, or border breaking. So if you lived 541 00:26:39,577 --> 00:26:42,137 Speaker 1: next to another group of people who had some fighters 542 00:26:42,137 --> 00:26:45,417 Speaker 1: amongst them, your young men would raid over the border 543 00:26:45,457 --> 00:26:48,497 Speaker 1: and take their horses and cattle and sheep and young girls, 544 00:26:48,777 --> 00:26:50,577 Speaker 1: and they would come back and do the same crap 545 00:26:50,617 --> 00:26:52,857 Speaker 1: to you. And that's what the whites and natives did 546 00:26:52,857 --> 00:26:54,457 Speaker 1: to each other all the time. The natives were worse 547 00:26:54,497 --> 00:26:56,817 Speaker 1: about it. So when you say, well all the treaties 548 00:26:56,817 --> 00:27:00,057 Speaker 1: were broken, a military scale raid breaks a treaty if 549 00:27:00,057 --> 00:27:02,897 Speaker 1: you've ever taken a military science class or anything like that. So, 550 00:27:02,977 --> 00:27:06,137 Speaker 1: I mean, when it wasn't just that the whites for 551 00:27:06,217 --> 00:27:09,737 Speaker 1: no reason broke the treaties with the natives, the treaties 552 00:27:09,777 --> 00:27:13,137 Speaker 1: between and say the Scots, Irish settlers and the Sioux 553 00:27:13,217 --> 00:27:15,537 Speaker 1: or something like that, we're usually broken within a month 554 00:27:15,537 --> 00:27:19,297 Speaker 1: of being signed by both sides, and after a hundred 555 00:27:19,417 --> 00:27:22,977 Speaker 1: breakings of the treaty by both sides, eventually there'd be 556 00:27:22,977 --> 00:27:25,977 Speaker 1: a big battle, and you know, the Pony soldiers would 557 00:27:26,017 --> 00:27:27,937 Speaker 1: have to come in and settle them down. 558 00:27:28,097 --> 00:27:29,977 Speaker 2: This is again part the part of this that that 559 00:27:30,097 --> 00:27:33,537 Speaker 2: never gets talked about is that you did there. And 560 00:27:33,577 --> 00:27:37,017 Speaker 2: there's plenty of documentation of this. I keep speaking about 561 00:27:37,017 --> 00:27:39,457 Speaker 2: it from the Commanchee side, but it's also like I said, 562 00:27:39,537 --> 00:27:45,297 Speaker 2: Apache and Kiowa and others, where they would basically have 563 00:27:45,377 --> 00:27:47,977 Speaker 2: to say, look, we're gonna try to tell meaning that 564 00:27:48,097 --> 00:27:50,657 Speaker 2: the elders, you know, the chief, if you will, we'll say, 565 00:27:50,657 --> 00:27:52,777 Speaker 2: we're gonna try to tell everybody we're gonna honor this. 566 00:27:52,897 --> 00:27:55,097 Speaker 2: But some of my young guys are just gonna want 567 00:27:55,097 --> 00:27:56,777 Speaker 2: some scalps, and they're gonna want to raid. They're gonna 568 00:27:56,777 --> 00:27:58,457 Speaker 2: steal your stuff, and they're gonna rape some of your women, 569 00:27:58,537 --> 00:28:00,577 Speaker 2: and I can't stop them. I mean, And that was 570 00:28:00,657 --> 00:28:04,297 Speaker 2: actually what was happening over and and if you're living 571 00:28:04,297 --> 00:28:08,777 Speaker 2: on the Texan frontier, you don't care that the Comanche 572 00:28:08,817 --> 00:28:13,257 Speaker 2: command structure isn't refined enough that all you know is 573 00:28:13,257 --> 00:28:15,537 Speaker 2: that a bunch of guys painted with the fat black 574 00:28:15,577 --> 00:28:18,497 Speaker 2: paint on their face and the you know, animal head 575 00:28:18,577 --> 00:28:21,497 Speaker 2: dress and everything else. They just killed everybody that you 576 00:28:21,537 --> 00:28:23,577 Speaker 2: know and love. That's all you know, right, I mean, 577 00:28:23,577 --> 00:28:25,697 Speaker 2: all you know is what happens. You don't really care 578 00:28:25,737 --> 00:28:29,777 Speaker 2: about the failed negotiation. That so anyway, the America, you know, 579 00:28:29,817 --> 00:28:32,017 Speaker 2: there's some great fahren Bach is the guy that I 580 00:28:32,097 --> 00:28:35,297 Speaker 2: liked the most on this for anybody who's curious about 581 00:28:35,337 --> 00:28:38,017 Speaker 2: some of them, more honest, and he doesn't you know, 582 00:28:38,057 --> 00:28:41,017 Speaker 2: he doesn't hold back on what the white settlers did. 583 00:28:41,057 --> 00:28:42,977 Speaker 2: All white settlers would go in, they'd kill every man, 584 00:28:43,017 --> 00:28:45,497 Speaker 2: woman and child too. But this was always a it 585 00:28:45,577 --> 00:28:47,217 Speaker 2: was always a tit for tat. It was always a 586 00:28:47,297 --> 00:28:51,057 Speaker 2: back and forth, and usually, at least in the case 587 00:28:51,097 --> 00:28:55,617 Speaker 2: of the Commancheria, you can point to the commanche starting 588 00:28:55,817 --> 00:28:58,857 Speaker 2: what then resulted in a big counter strike. 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Give me one 607 00:29:48,857 --> 00:29:52,257 Speaker 2: more lie that liberal teachers told you before. This is lies, 608 00:29:52,297 --> 00:29:55,897 Speaker 2: My liberal teacher told me author Wilfred Riley, So go 609 00:29:55,977 --> 00:29:56,537 Speaker 2: get the book. 610 00:29:56,937 --> 00:30:00,257 Speaker 1: What's one more? Because this is fun? I think I 611 00:30:00,257 --> 00:30:03,577 Speaker 1: think I'll go with number one. Actually, which is one 612 00:30:03,577 --> 00:30:06,897 Speaker 1: of the big lies, is that true historical slavery was 613 00:30:07,057 --> 00:30:09,777 Speaker 1: unique to white people in the West, and that's almost 614 00:30:09,777 --> 00:30:12,817 Speaker 1: the verse of the truth. So this is one of 615 00:30:12,857 --> 00:30:14,617 Speaker 1: those things where I actually looked at kind of the 616 00:30:14,657 --> 00:30:17,017 Speaker 1: deep historical record. I didn't just want to talk about 617 00:30:17,017 --> 00:30:19,897 Speaker 1: the Arabs or whatnot. I was interested in when slavery began, 618 00:30:20,537 --> 00:30:24,537 Speaker 1: and slavery began basically when some historical king a lot 619 00:30:24,577 --> 00:30:27,377 Speaker 1: of people say this was Sargon the Great, decided to 620 00:30:27,417 --> 00:30:30,497 Speaker 1: do something with battle captives other than just sacrificing them 621 00:30:30,537 --> 00:30:32,937 Speaker 1: to ball or eating them. So, I mean, those are 622 00:30:32,937 --> 00:30:36,217 Speaker 1: the options back in these premachinery, you know, low human 623 00:30:36,257 --> 00:30:39,217 Speaker 1: surplus societies. If you capture you might keep some of 624 00:30:39,217 --> 00:30:41,417 Speaker 1: the women around as quote unquote wives. But if you 625 00:30:41,497 --> 00:30:45,217 Speaker 1: defeat an army from the sea peoples or whatever, your 626 00:30:45,257 --> 00:30:47,497 Speaker 1: three options are to let them go to come fight 627 00:30:47,577 --> 00:30:50,897 Speaker 1: you again, massacre them in some ingenious way this is 628 00:30:50,897 --> 00:30:54,617 Speaker 1: what the Aztecs did, or make them work, make them 629 00:30:54,617 --> 00:30:57,417 Speaker 1: indentured servants or slaves or something that we now for 630 00:30:57,537 --> 00:31:00,537 Speaker 1: good reason find immoral. But put them in another section 631 00:31:00,617 --> 00:31:03,097 Speaker 1: of your dements and have them farm for a while, 632 00:31:03,137 --> 00:31:06,297 Speaker 1: and maybe let their descendants go. So when people started 633 00:31:06,337 --> 00:31:09,617 Speaker 1: doing that, you're talking about six seven thousand years ago. 634 00:31:10,217 --> 00:31:12,897 Speaker 1: A slave is one of the first human words. I 635 00:31:12,897 --> 00:31:15,657 Speaker 1: think I mentioned that earlier, but it's literally found in 636 00:31:15,697 --> 00:31:18,417 Speaker 1: Samerian canea form. It's as old as the word for sheep, 637 00:31:18,937 --> 00:31:21,417 Speaker 1: and it's actually interesting and a bit poignant because the 638 00:31:21,457 --> 00:31:24,697 Speaker 1: word for slave just means defeated warrior. It's the word 639 00:31:24,857 --> 00:31:28,457 Speaker 1: for man from the mountain cities, but with a couple 640 00:31:28,497 --> 00:31:30,977 Speaker 1: additions to it, So man from the mountains who came 641 00:31:30,977 --> 00:31:34,177 Speaker 1: down here and lost. And from that point forward, I mean, 642 00:31:34,217 --> 00:31:37,297 Speaker 1: the Greeks had tons of slaves ten percent of the population. 643 00:31:37,937 --> 00:31:41,257 Speaker 1: The Romans had more slaves than that, sixteen percent of 644 00:31:41,257 --> 00:31:45,417 Speaker 1: the population. And Roman slavery was abusive in a way 645 00:31:45,537 --> 00:31:48,017 Speaker 1: that black slavery in the New World or white slavery 646 00:31:48,017 --> 00:31:51,577 Speaker 1: in Arabia did not come close to being. Obviously, slavery 647 00:31:51,657 --> 00:31:53,817 Speaker 1: not good, but I mean the Romans would literally, if 648 00:31:54,097 --> 00:31:56,897 Speaker 1: you lost a battle to them, take you and kill 649 00:31:56,937 --> 00:31:58,657 Speaker 1: your wife and then throw you in an arena to 650 00:31:58,657 --> 00:32:01,097 Speaker 1: fight elephants with a spear. I mean, there was a 651 00:32:01,177 --> 00:32:04,937 Speaker 1: level of the use of other humans for entertainment that 652 00:32:04,937 --> 00:32:07,337 Speaker 1: we haven't matched since, like the emperor would have a 653 00:32:07,377 --> 00:32:09,937 Speaker 1: thousand dancing girls living in his palace. But from that 654 00:32:10,257 --> 00:32:13,977 Speaker 1: you go through Arabic slavery. The Arabs gave the world 655 00:32:14,097 --> 00:32:17,777 Speaker 1: their terms for both slave slav which means white slave. 656 00:32:17,817 --> 00:32:21,257 Speaker 1: It comes from Southern European and black slave in fact 657 00:32:21,257 --> 00:32:24,457 Speaker 1: abide which comes from African. That was the largest slave 658 00:32:24,497 --> 00:32:27,577 Speaker 1: trade in history, perhaps six million whites, seventeen million blacks 659 00:32:27,977 --> 00:32:31,017 Speaker 1: taken out of Southern Europe taken out of Africa. The 660 00:32:31,017 --> 00:32:35,377 Speaker 1: Arabian trades largely forgotten. You've got the Atlantic slave trade 661 00:32:35,417 --> 00:32:38,457 Speaker 1: dominated by white European certainly can't forget that twelve million people. 662 00:32:38,817 --> 00:32:40,977 Speaker 1: But all this went on for all of time. If 663 00:32:41,017 --> 00:32:43,857 Speaker 1: you beat someone in a war, or if someone else 664 00:32:43,937 --> 00:32:46,057 Speaker 1: won a conflict like that, was willing to sell their 665 00:32:46,057 --> 00:32:48,737 Speaker 1: former enemies and their families. Those people are just on 666 00:32:48,777 --> 00:32:50,817 Speaker 1: the market. I think the thing that I note in 667 00:32:50,857 --> 00:32:53,417 Speaker 1: this chapter that's been almost forgotten is that the unique 668 00:32:53,457 --> 00:32:56,417 Speaker 1: contribution of the West was ending the global slave market. 669 00:32:56,777 --> 00:32:59,417 Speaker 1: So I mean, in the USA, we fought a massive war, 670 00:32:59,497 --> 00:33:02,097 Speaker 1: of the deadliest war in American history, six hundred and 671 00:33:02,097 --> 00:33:05,537 Speaker 1: twenty thousand people were killed to end slavery in the country. 672 00:33:05,937 --> 00:33:09,217 Speaker 1: But that was just a small part of this general Western, 673 00:33:09,337 --> 00:33:13,137 Speaker 1: in fact Christian and driven movement against slavery. So the 674 00:33:13,137 --> 00:33:16,617 Speaker 1: British Navy sailed around the world blockading slave trading ports, 675 00:33:16,617 --> 00:33:18,697 Speaker 1: which is one of those great stories no one tells anymore. 676 00:33:19,177 --> 00:33:22,417 Speaker 1: I mean, the Brits formed an enclosure of ships around 677 00:33:22,457 --> 00:33:24,417 Speaker 1: the island of Zanzibars. At the time was a world 678 00:33:24,457 --> 00:33:27,377 Speaker 1: power and just sort of threatened to declare war unless 679 00:33:27,377 --> 00:33:31,537 Speaker 1: specifically the slaving portion of the operation there stopped, and eventually, 680 00:33:31,577 --> 00:33:33,897 Speaker 1: after a great deal of negotiations and the risk of 681 00:33:33,937 --> 00:33:38,337 Speaker 1: a serious conflict, it did. Brazil. By the eighteen eighties, 682 00:33:38,417 --> 00:33:41,697 Speaker 1: Latin America had declared that they were going to accommodate 683 00:33:41,737 --> 00:33:44,657 Speaker 1: the rest of the Americas and stop the slave markets. 684 00:33:45,097 --> 00:33:48,697 Speaker 1: So I mean the Western world led the way on this, 685 00:33:48,977 --> 00:33:51,857 Speaker 1: and where kind of the Western boot never really trod, 686 00:33:51,897 --> 00:33:55,337 Speaker 1: slavery often still endures. I mean, if you're looking honestly 687 00:33:55,497 --> 00:33:58,857 Speaker 1: at sort of chattel serfdom in Saudi Arabia or India, 688 00:33:58,977 --> 00:34:01,097 Speaker 1: or if you're looking at what's just openly called slavery 689 00:34:01,097 --> 00:34:03,377 Speaker 1: and Mauritania today, I mean there's still I believe the 690 00:34:03,417 --> 00:34:07,377 Speaker 1: figure is fifty million slaves around the world right now. Again, 691 00:34:07,417 --> 00:34:10,177 Speaker 1: most of them are probably Blacks or Eastern Europeans. So 692 00:34:10,217 --> 00:34:14,017 Speaker 1: there's a weird disconnect between people talking about historical slavery 693 00:34:14,097 --> 00:34:17,217 Speaker 1: in America and saying, well, four hundred years ago, there 694 00:34:17,297 --> 00:34:19,297 Speaker 1: was a near race war in this country. Four hundred 695 00:34:19,337 --> 00:34:21,857 Speaker 1: years ago. My people were oppressed and brutalized in this country, 696 00:34:22,217 --> 00:34:26,097 Speaker 1: and the same people ignoring the fact that actual enslavement 697 00:34:26,137 --> 00:34:29,097 Speaker 1: is still going on today. And my honest opinion on 698 00:34:29,177 --> 00:34:31,217 Speaker 1: that would be that there's no money to be made 699 00:34:31,217 --> 00:34:34,617 Speaker 1: from actual enslavement going on today. If you're looking for 700 00:34:35,257 --> 00:34:38,337 Speaker 1: Ukrainian women broken into the porn industry or something like that, 701 00:34:38,377 --> 00:34:40,377 Speaker 1: and you're trying to free these people, that's going to 702 00:34:40,417 --> 00:34:42,457 Speaker 1: be something that's going to cost you money and time. 703 00:34:42,497 --> 00:34:44,697 Speaker 1: Where dangerous people are going to be hunting you. You're 704 00:34:44,737 --> 00:34:48,177 Speaker 1: not going to be able to squeeze cash and sympathy 705 00:34:48,217 --> 00:34:50,777 Speaker 1: out of a sort of caring modern society. So we 706 00:34:51,137 --> 00:34:54,297 Speaker 1: spend a lot of time on this kind of historiography 707 00:34:54,417 --> 00:34:56,537 Speaker 1: looking back at the bad things that we in our 708 00:34:56,617 --> 00:34:58,937 Speaker 1: society did. I guess one of the points of the 709 00:34:58,937 --> 00:35:02,377 Speaker 1: book is, without excusing us, everybody did these bad things, 710 00:35:02,737 --> 00:35:06,657 Speaker 1: some of which like fighting opponents in war or limiting 711 00:35:06,657 --> 00:35:11,617 Speaker 1: immigration aren't even bad. That's point one point two. We 712 00:35:11,817 --> 00:35:14,417 Speaker 1: stopped doing them, and they're still going on to a 713 00:35:14,417 --> 00:35:18,577 Speaker 1: great extent today. They're just ignored by Westerners when they 714 00:35:18,657 --> 00:35:22,497 Speaker 1: happen colonial ten points in a row. But like China 715 00:35:22,577 --> 00:35:26,297 Speaker 1: is engaging in colonialism now. They're buying large chunks of 716 00:35:26,377 --> 00:35:28,377 Speaker 1: land in Africa, in the Middle East and building things 717 00:35:28,417 --> 00:35:31,977 Speaker 1: like national railroads that they control, that they manipulate and 718 00:35:32,017 --> 00:35:34,657 Speaker 1: can sell back to those countries or take from those 719 00:35:34,737 --> 00:35:38,457 Speaker 1: nations whenever they want to. But there's no gain in 720 00:35:38,497 --> 00:35:41,137 Speaker 1: our contemporary politics of bringing up that sort of thing, 721 00:35:41,177 --> 00:35:42,017 Speaker 1: so it's not brought up. 722 00:35:42,977 --> 00:35:44,617 Speaker 2: I'm sold, by the way. I'm getting your book lies, 723 00:35:44,617 --> 00:35:45,897 Speaker 2: my liberal teacher told me. 724 00:35:46,497 --> 00:35:46,657 Speaker 1: So. 725 00:35:46,817 --> 00:35:48,297 Speaker 2: I like to buy it, by the way, because I 726 00:35:48,337 --> 00:35:50,617 Speaker 2: like to support the author. So people send me free 727 00:35:50,617 --> 00:35:53,497 Speaker 2: books all the time. But I'm not that you've ad 728 00:35:54,377 --> 00:35:56,497 Speaker 2: That's all right, I'm actually going to buy a copy 729 00:35:56,537 --> 00:35:58,457 Speaker 2: right now on Amazon. Lies, my liberal teacher told me. 730 00:35:58,457 --> 00:36:00,777 Speaker 2: Wilfrid Riley. Fascinating stuff. 731 00:36:00,777 --> 00:36:00,977 Speaker 1: Man. 732 00:36:01,057 --> 00:36:02,777 Speaker 2: Please let's talk again soon. Let's getch you on the 733 00:36:02,857 --> 00:36:04,257 Speaker 2: radio show too. Thanks for being with me. 734 00:36:05,537 --> 00:36:07,337 Speaker 1: Yeah, love to come on. Thanks for having me. 735 00:36:07,377 --> 00:36:07,857 Speaker 2: Thank you.