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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, I'm Rachel Zoe and you're listening to Climbing

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Speaker 1: in Heels. This show is all about celebrating the most

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Speaker 1: extraordinary superwoman who will be sharing their incredible journeys to

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Speaker 1: the top, all while staying glamorous. I'm so excited for

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Speaker 1: this week's guest because I've known her and loved her

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Speaker 1: for so many years. Today, I'm joined by the insanely

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Speaker 1: talented and all around wonderful, beautiful human being, Jamie Lindziegler.

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Speaker 1: The world fell absolutely in love with Jamie as Meadow

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Speaker 1: soprano on the hit HBO TV series The Sopranos, and

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Speaker 1: she quickly became a household name. While Jamie continued to

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Speaker 1: work in the entertainment industry, she was diagnosed with MS,

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Speaker 1: which she didn't share publicly for sixteen years. Yes, she

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Speaker 1: was hiding this. Jamie is such an inspiring woman, and

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Speaker 1: her positivity and her incredible outlook on life, her career

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Speaker 1: and motherhood is truly remarkable and beyond inspirational. So let's

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Speaker 1: just jump right in. You know, I want to talk

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Speaker 1: about your beginning, but I also really want to talk

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Speaker 1: about how you transitioned and pivoted. I guess from being

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Speaker 1: this like massive star on one of the biggest shows

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Speaker 1: woman mom in all these different spaces and launching podcasts

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Speaker 1: and doing your brand and doing all these different things

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Speaker 1: obviously being a mom. And as we're going to get

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Speaker 1: into talking about being diagnosed with a mess and which

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Speaker 1: is wild because I feel like I didn't know anyone

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Speaker 1: it's almost like it's wild. So I really want to

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Speaker 1: get into this. I'm very excited to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: Where were you born because that's the one thing I

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Speaker 1: don't remember you from, Like where I'm from.

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Speaker 2: I'm a Long Island girl.

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Speaker 1: You're a Long Island girl. Yes, that's what I got

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Speaker 1: because you were too good on Sopranos to be like

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Speaker 1: from La.

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Speaker 2: No. That was my real accent. That was that was

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Speaker 2: That's what I always say. I think that was like

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Speaker 2: the kicker that really got me the role of Meadow

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Speaker 2: was because that accent was as real as they have.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I was born on Long Island. I've actually

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Speaker 2: I lived in Bayside, Queens for the first couple of

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Speaker 2: years of my life, and then we moved out to

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Speaker 2: Long Island. I was the youngest of three, had two

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Speaker 1: Also, things also excited things, Yes, for.

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Speaker 2: Sure, for sure. It says a lot about my personality

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Speaker 2: under absolutely being the third, the baby, the only girl,

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Speaker 2: all the things. Yeah, and I you know, nobody in

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Speaker 2: we did tennis. I went to Hebrew school. You know,

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Speaker 2: I had a very, very quote unquote normal childhood. But

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Speaker 2: about the age of nine or ten, I really crave

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Speaker 2: that end of the year performance in dance school. Like

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Speaker 2: I just couldn't wait to get the costume on and

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Speaker 2: dance school that I was in started having a musical

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Speaker 2: theater class, and I loved watching musical movies. And again

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Speaker 2: I never thought this was anything that would be for me.

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Speaker 2: I just loved it so much.

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Speaker 1: And you like, looked forward to it, whereas I had

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, oh my god, if it was every day

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Speaker 1: So you had the bug I did.

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Speaker 2: I had the bug early, and I give all the

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Speaker 2: credit to my mom. You know, she really just helped

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Speaker 2: me figure out this little dream with very little resources,

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Speaker 2: whether it's looking at news Day, which is the Long

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Speaker 2: continue to do all the way still while I was

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Speaker 2: doing sopranos because I just loved the people that they

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Speaker 2: And sopranos came along when I was between my sophomore

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Speaker 2: Which works for me now back then was frustrating. Sure,

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Speaker 2: And so when this audition came along for an Italian

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Speaker 2: that summer I was finally going to sleep Boy Camp

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Speaker 2: unpacked my trunk for camp, and shot the pilot that summer.

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Speaker 1: That is the craziest And how many seasons did it run?

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Speaker 2: So it was technically I mean, if you really counted seven,

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Speaker 2: but it was ten years.

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Speaker 1: Well I was going to say it to me, it

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Speaker 1: it's wild, like because you see the adults more or

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Speaker 1: like a nerdy adult, you know, sorry nerdy. I actually

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Speaker 1: use nerd as a compliment. I actually think.

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Speaker 2: Nerds are a nerd is like the greatest thing you.

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Speaker 1: Literally I tell my kids that all the time. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: That means you're unique. You know, you're you know, you're laane.

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Speaker 2: You're not like hiding anything that's special about you.

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Speaker 1: I totally agree. Okay, so this happens, your whole life transforms.

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Speaker 2: My whole life changes in in subways and in some

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Speaker 2: And then when it was time for college, I had

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Speaker 2: got accepted to NYU. I did not lack. I didn't

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Speaker 2: I was a psychology major. I did not want to

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Speaker 2: in the midst of doing something. In hindsight, I don't

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Speaker 1: Which I wonder if you went into the acting school,

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Speaker 2: I think it was sure, this is what, like, probably

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Speaker 1: Okay, so tell me and whatever you're you know, obviously,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm an open book at.

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Speaker 1: This by the way, aren't we all, like I feel

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I'm realizing that like I felt, I used

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Speaker 2: In the first few seasons of Sopranos, I suffered from

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Speaker 1: And I never remembered yes actually.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And people were not kind to me about it

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Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, if I can ask, was it Bolimia

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Speaker 2: It was exercise bolima interesting, which is where I mean.

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Speaker 2: I definitely was restricting calories pressure, but it's it's an

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Speaker 2: I didn't, they didn't care. They accepted me any wardrobe

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Speaker 1: Need, which as which was just it's so hard.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so hard, and in front of the world too.

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Speaker 1: youngest He's six? He's six, so maybe you maybe it

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Speaker 1: was in.

435
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Speaker 2: Betwel you have The last time I saw you, you had

436
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Speaker 2: an event at your store to reap and the proceeds

437
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:27,440
Speaker 2: went right. Yeah, it was probably like a year old

438
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,160
Speaker 2: at that point. Yeah.

439
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Speaker 1: So I but I it's funny. I don't want to

440
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 1: say ha ha funny, but like you would tell me

441
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,360
Speaker 1: that you had a mess but in a weird way.

442
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,479
Speaker 1: It's not that I didn't believe you, but I was like,

443
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 1: but she lives such an incredibly normal life, like seemingly

444
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 1: yeacause you're having kids and you're like, and I said,

445
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Speaker 1: you know, how does this affect you?

446
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 2: Oh?

447
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 1: I have good days, I have bad days. Oh I

448
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 1: just have to take And I'm like, she's like the

449
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:58,920
Speaker 1: poster child, literally the poster child, because it you're this

450
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 1: example of how to sort of say like, no, no,

451
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 1: I have my kids, I have my husband, I have

452
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,719
Speaker 1: my life. I'm every girl's like, I'm a totally regular person.

453
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 1: I just have that mess and this is how I

454
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Speaker 1: deal with it. That is how you are perceived to be. Now,

455
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 1: so my question is, now, what made you want to

456
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,399
Speaker 1: start messy? And sort of I guess, get I guess

457
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,439
Speaker 1: a bit louder, and tell me about the pod, because

458
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:26,440
Speaker 1: I don't know, are you only going to be talking

459
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 1: orre you just gonna be talking about life being messy?

460
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Speaker 2: No, my god, it's not just about MS at all.

461
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 2: If anything, I think while you're listening to her and

462
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 2: I talk, you'll hear it through your own filter and

463
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 2: hear it like oh, because even our producer, who doesn't

464
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 2: have MS will text us after certain episodes and be like,

465
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 2: I needed to hear that today. Yes, I deal with

466
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,159
Speaker 2: this with this and that it's not MS, but it's yes,

467
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 2: And I and all of our guests that are come

468
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 2: on the show as well. Each episode is completely different.

469
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 2: Like we had Martin Short on and it was just

470
00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 2: him and Christina just like laughing and talking about the

471
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,439
Speaker 2: great movies and projects that they've done together. And at

472
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 2: the end of it, I said to her, I am

473
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,400
Speaker 2: so glad that I just got to listen to sixty

474
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 2: minutes of you remembering who the fuck you are? You

475
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 2: know what I mean. And then there was another conversation

476
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 2: we had Edie Falco on and her and I just

477
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 2: had this really incredible healing conversation about stuff we didn't

478
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 2: We weren't able to communicate with each other during sopranos

479
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 2: for our own reasons because we were in our own seads,

480
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 2: and now as women and peers were having and mothers

481
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 2: were having this conversation.

482
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 1: It's just so so each episode.

483
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 2: Is its own thing. But my so the podcast came

484
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:45,160
Speaker 2: because when Christina was diagnosed, our dear friend Lance Bass

485
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,120
Speaker 2: put us in touch with Christina and I had met

486
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 2: multiple times over the years, but we weren't like friends,

487
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 2: like we chatted or anything, and so when she was diagnosed,

488
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:57,120
Speaker 2: he said, you got to call Jamie, and my immediate

489
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 2: role in her life was let me help her get

490
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 2: through this last and of dead to me because she

491
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 2: was in the middle of filming, so I was like,

492
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 2: this is what helps me, this is what doesn't this

493
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 2: is what you're going to do, this is what you're

494
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 2: going to say. It was helping her set boundaries for

495
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 2: herself so that she felt safe enough to finish this

496
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 2: job that she loved so much. I didn't know what

497
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 2: my role in her life would be after that. You know,

498
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 2: she has Selma, she has other friends. I didn't know,

499
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 2: but we ended up just really forming a very intense

500
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 2: bond where we would be on the phone for three

501
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 2: four hours at a time, laughing, crying, and one day

502
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,199
Speaker 2: she said to me, Jamie, we have to record these

503
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 2: conversations and put them out. I want to do this

504
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 2: with you. Let's do it, And I said, let's go.

505
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 2: We found our producer and we just started recording without

506
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 2: this is over a year ago, without any idea of

507
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:45,719
Speaker 2: kind of what was going to happen with it, and

508
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 2: it just ended up being the most freeing, arapeutic, arapeutic

509
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 2: hour of my week. She would make me admit things

510
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 2: that I never thought I would admit before. She is

511
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 2: so willing to just be like, this sucks. It hard,

512
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 2: it's hard. I'm depressed, I'm unhappy making like you said

513
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,679
Speaker 2: those things that you're afraid to say because and you

514
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 2: think this is always going to be this way. And

515
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,679
Speaker 2: I bring whatever I bring to her, like you know,

516
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 2: sometimes I'm telling her, we got to get up out

517
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,919
Speaker 2: of bed today, girl, we got to do it. And

518
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 2: we always say if we were like, if you put

519
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 2: us together, we'd be like the perfect little person. Well,

520
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 2: well this is it, but this is also it's also

521
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,239
Speaker 2: to me. What an't my hopes for this podcast? If

522
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,239
Speaker 2: I could have my greatest dream come true for this

523
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,439
Speaker 2: would be that you come along on a journey with

524
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 2: two women, and you bring yourself along with us in

525
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 2: a journey of acceptance, self love, self growth, and just

526
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,679
Speaker 2: pushing through the hard stuff. And I believe this to

527
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 2: be the beginning of a new chapter for us both.

528
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 2: I think Christina, like she said, she is done playing

529
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Speaker 2: the role of Christina Apple, and she's ready to be

530
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 2: who she is and not be ashamed of that, and

531
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 2: neither am I. And I'm I'm just proud of us.

532
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 2: I'm proud of us, and I hope that this allows

533
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 2: other people to feel like they can do the same

534
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 2: for themselves.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think you know, listen, I think at some

536
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 1: point you recognize that not only is it helping you,

537
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: but ultimately what you're doing will help countless, countless countless

538
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 1: people listening to it. Because listen, I think it's It's

539
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: what we talked about when we first jumped on. I

540
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: think the more we share, the more people it helps.

541
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Speaker 1: I'm sure you saw Olivia Mun's post this morning. I do,

542
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 1: And you know, I was with her this whole past

543
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 1: weekend at different events and I hadn't seen her in

544
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: a minute, and she looks breathtaking them and she's always

545
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: breathtakingly beautiful. But in any life, you would never know

546
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: what she's been through. Yeah, And to your point, you

547
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,959
Speaker 1: just never know what people are going through. And you know,

548
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 1: I think that it was very brave to share what

549
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Speaker 1: she shared, and I think I guarantee you she literally

550
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 1: helped a million people today, a million young women be

551
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: like I'm going tomorrow to get checked because this business.

552
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: So I really believe that what you're doing is going

553
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: to be so advantageous for so many people. And I

554
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: also think destigmatize not being okay all the time, because

555
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: I think that's the thing we're afraid of, Like I.

556
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 2: Really do you know, we're like all the time, we're like.

557
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: Not okay to not be okay. I also think in

558
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: addition to being in the public, I think there's a

559
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: big part I know for me as a mother, The

560
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: big part for me is we are not allowed to

561
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: not be okay, like as the mom Like we are

562
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: of course, but we're not because I think that role

563
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: that we immediately take on is okay, if all shit

564
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: goes to hell, We're here, We're here, We're good. Mom

565
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,719
Speaker 1: is always here, Mom's stable, We're here, like you know,

566
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, it's interesting because rogerays laughs

567
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: at me because like if he sneezes, I'll make him

568
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: sleep in the other room and I'll be like, what

569
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: happens to sickness and in health? I'm like not now,

570
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, if I get sick, nothing happens, Like

571
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: mom can't go down, I can't show up at this

572
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: thing tomorrow, Like can't be sick. Not happening. I'm going

573
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,239
Speaker 1: to get to be twelve shot. But I think I

574
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: think I do operate as I think many women do

575
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: on the like we can't shut down, right, we can't

576
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: be sick or we can't. And I think messy is

577
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: going to be so helpful to so many people because

578
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: it's going to make you guys, not just because you

579
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: have a mess, but I think it's just in general

580
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: being like, Okay, I don't have a mess, but guess

581
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 1: what I've got this, this and this, and whether it's physical,

582
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: emotional or whatever, it's I think it's helpful to know

583
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: we all have it, we all have something lots of something.

584
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 2: Like and my kids, you know, they don't know me

585
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 2: any other way. They've only known me with a mess.

586
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 2: And you know, my older one, he's ten and a half,

587
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 2: so obviously he's able to he's lived longer with it.

588
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 2: You know, you have different connections with your kids, and

589
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 2: they'd relate to you differently. And he is so empathetic

590
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 2: and he's so aware of meek. Yeah, and I'm really

591
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 2: I'm really communicative with him about it, Like I A

592
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 2: will say to him, buddy, like I'm having to make

593
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 2: this decision right now because I'm just not feeling so

594
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 2: great and I need you to understand, like we can't

595
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 2: go do to this thing with your friends for this reason.

596
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 2: And that's hard. That's hard that he has to have.

597
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 2: We have to take me into consideration. I don't want

598
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 2: to be taking I want everything to be decided for them.

599
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 2: But you know, he said to me the other day.

600
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Speaker 2: This was two nights ago. I had taken them to

601
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 2: baseball practice, both of them. My husband was working and

602
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 2: it's a big field and to navigate, and I have

603
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 2: my walking sick and we're going and I don't say anything,

604
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 2: and you know, he doesn't say anything. And we get

605
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 2: in the car and I make them dinner and I'm like,

606
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 2: if I even gonna take a shower, you watch your

607
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 2: brother eat whatever. And I came out and I sat

608
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 2: down with them, and he looked at me and he goes, mom,

609
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to cry. He goes, you're really doing

610
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 2: a good job with this whole MS thing.

611
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: No, he didn't, And I was like, thank.

612
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 2: You, And he was like, I see how hard you work,

613
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 2: and I promise it'll pay off, which was just like

614
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 2: the sweetest, most loving. But I just see the gift

615
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 2: that maybe this can give him to right how he

616
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 2: sees other people. I can understand other people. My little one, however,

617
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 2: hates it. He's pissed about it. He's mad that I'm

618
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 2: I can't run, He's mad that I can't play kickball

619
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 2: with the other mommy's in the mother son game. And

620
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 2: he is allowed to have those feelings, and I make

621
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 2: sure that he has all this space for those feelings.

622
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 2: He used to as a toddler like want to run

623
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 2: away from me all the time because he knew I

624
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 2: couldn't run after him like it just it triggers him

625
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 2: in a different way. So motherhood is challenging for sure?

626
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 2: Is so because you want to be everything? Of course,

627
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 2: I don't want to send my nanny out to play

628
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 2: basketball with them. I want to go about them, I know,

629
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 2: But I find other ways, and we were figuring it

630
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 2: out as we go. But you know is this is

631
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,479
Speaker 2: everyone in my intimate circle. This effects and I'm the

632
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 2: most I'm the luckiest that I have the most supportive

633
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 2: husband in the world. I truly I could not be

634
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 2: able to sit here and speak to you in the

635
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 2: way that I'm speaking without his support. I really truly

636
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 2: believe that he's the one that reminds me on my

637
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 2: hardest days that I'm still me. You know that you're

638
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 2: still the Jamie I met thirteen years ago, like you've

639
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 2: got this, I love you, You've got us, and all the

640
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 2: other stuff kind of just like falls away.

641
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: And I mean it's like it's it's wild because I

642
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: think it's sort of like you know, and I don't

643
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: mean this in the condescending way. It's just like it

644
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: comes to my head like you're doing fucking great. It's

645
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: like it's you know, it's like you are you are,

646
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: and it's like no one's going to know how you

647
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: feel except you. But I do think that you know,

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Speaker 1: Christina and Selma, and I think people it's like it's

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Speaker 1: like anything else in life, like un till you're experiencing it,

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Speaker 1: we can only say that, like you're heroic and you're

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Speaker 1: a fucking warrior, and I think all women are warriors

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Speaker 1: quite honestly in their own way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I do think there's no playbook. No, there

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Speaker 2: is no there's no there's no writer. There's there's a

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Speaker 2: book there is there is no there's no playbook on

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Speaker 2: how to do this. But all I know is that

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Speaker 2: I show up each and every day and do the

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Speaker 2: best I can, and I have forgiveness and grace, for

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Speaker 2: grace for myself, and I if I if I didn't

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Speaker 2: do it right in certain ways, I'll pick up and

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Speaker 2: learn the next day, as opposed to where I used to.

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Speaker 2: Really I'm a perfectionist. So having a mess, as you

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Speaker 2: can imagine, it was really really hard to you know.

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Speaker 1: And diagnosed as limes or limes came first. We don't know, we.

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Speaker 2: Don't know, unclear, we don't know, and I've stopped trying

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Speaker 2: to figure it out. But I think you know, But that

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Speaker 2: to me is like that to me, I know is

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Speaker 2: a part of the gift of MS for me is

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Speaker 2: being loving myself as a beautifully and perfect person and

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Speaker 2: the grace and that I can give myself and just

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Speaker 2: being human and allowing myself to see everybody else in that.

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Speaker 2: And I think that you know, we all have different reasons.

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Speaker 2: I have an idea of what this gift is for Christina,

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Speaker 2: and I'm just gonna watch it unfold and get to have,

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Speaker 2: you know, the best seat in the house to see it.

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Speaker 2: But you know, the hard stuff is I think what

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Speaker 2: really makes us who we are.

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Speaker 1: And your boys, I promise you it's only it's only

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Speaker 1: going to help them in a thousand different ways. You're

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Speaker 1: You're always going to be their hero. No matter what,

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Speaker 1: no matter what, with or without MS, you are going

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Speaker 1: to be that queen queen.

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Speaker 2: And they make me feel this way sometimes I think

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Speaker 2: that's why God didn't give me a girl. You just

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Speaker 2: need these men to just like pump you up all

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Speaker 2: the time.

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Speaker 1: You know, It's true. Someone asked me if I could

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Speaker 1: draw an image of me and my kids, what would

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Speaker 1: it look like? And I said, that's so easy for me.

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Speaker 1: I'm in a long gown with a crown, and I'm

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Speaker 1: up on a throne and they're standing there in their

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Speaker 1: little prince you know, outfits with a huge shield and

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Speaker 1: a sword going, don't those hurt hers? And that's it

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Speaker 1: and I and it all makes sense. It's like how

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Speaker 1: And I think, to your point, you know, it's interesting

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Speaker 1: And this is not a name droppy thing. We just

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Speaker 1: happened to mom together their youngest kids. But it was

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Speaker 1: Gwen Stefani. We both got pregnant with our She got

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Speaker 1: pregnant with her last when I was pregnant with my youngest,

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Speaker 1: and I looked at her. I was like, what on earth,

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Speaker 1: Like why do we keep getting boys? And She's like,

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Speaker 1: We're just meant to be the queen's and she said that,

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Speaker 1: and I walked out of this event going, huh okay,

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Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna go I'm gonna go with that.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with that, and here we are going

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Speaker 1: to You're the Queen, Jamie, you are the Queen. You

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Speaker 1: are the Queen forever.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: I love you, I love having you, I love talking

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Speaker 1: to you. I want to see you. I really was

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Speaker 1: going to reach out when I was going to Austin

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Speaker 1: and then realized it was going to be there for

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Speaker 1: less than two hours.

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Speaker 2: Please, oh my god, can you imagine. Well, I'll be

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Speaker 2: in La Suitent.

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Speaker 1: Tell me I would love, love, love love to see

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Speaker 1: you honestly and give you a real life hug. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: all right, kiss the family, and I hope to see

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Speaker 1: you stand. I'm so excited about the pod.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me on. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: How beautiful day you. I want to thank Jamie so

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Speaker 1: much for being on the pod today. Gaie. These work

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Speaker 1: as an actress speaks for itself. I mean, her character

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Speaker 1: and the Sopranos was literally like cult following. She was

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Speaker 1: like everyone wanted to be her best friend, but everyone

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Speaker 1: wanted to be her. And you know, when I got

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Speaker 1: to know Jamie later in life after she was medout,

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Speaker 1: I was like, what a normal, amazing, kind, smart, badass woman, honestly,

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Speaker 1: and I just fell so beyond in love with her,

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Speaker 1: and she became a friend. And I think for her

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Speaker 1: to so openly share her experience with MS and her

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Speaker 1: diagnosis on her new podcast, Messy, is truly life changing

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Speaker 1: and I think it will impact so many people living

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Speaker 1: with anything honestly, autoimmunees, MS and anything else in between,

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Speaker 1: above or below. I just love her so much and

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Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed this episode, A very emotional one,

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Speaker 1: a very powerful one, Jamie. I love you. Don't forget

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Speaker 1: to write a review wherever you get your podcast because

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Speaker 1: I love reading them. And while you're at it, follow

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Speaker 1: me on out Rachel Zo at Cleaning Inhils pod on

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Speaker 1: Instagram for more updates on upcoming guests, episodes, and all

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Speaker 1: things creator. I'll see you next week. Come on