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Speaker 2: This episode contains the spoilers for the seventh episode of
Speaker 2: X Men ninety seven Season two.
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Speaker 3: In today's episode, it is X Men ninety seven, Episode seven.
Speaker 3: And guess what, guys, we were waiting for it because
Speaker 3: guess what it's called.
Speaker 1: It's called Strange Land Savage Hawk. I wonder where we
Speaker 1: could be going. But first we.
Speaker 2: Open on a flashback to Genosha. We see Colossus and
Speaker 2: Magic U the best.
Speaker 1: Every time I see her, I'm so happy. It just
Speaker 1: makes me so excited.
Speaker 2: We see Colossus and Magic fighting against the Sentinel invasion Iliana.
Speaker 2: It goes down courageously saving some mutants, but unfortunately he's
Speaker 2: killed by Sentinels. We'll talk about this a little bit
Speaker 2: more in the conversation, but this is so we're not
Speaker 2: doing Legacy Virus because she dies. I was gonna say
Speaker 2: this plotline happens in the comics, but it is spurred
Speaker 2: on by Iliana's death by the Legacy virus. So we
Speaker 2: cut to the President. The President. We cut to the
Speaker 2: President where Graydon Creed, son of Victor Creed, a savor
Speaker 2: to what, a brother of Nikerawler, bouncing and a human,
Speaker 2: absolutely a human. He might have the recessive ex gene
Speaker 2: in there somewhere, but.
Speaker 1: I never got set off and not it.
Speaker 2: Never got set off. He is just a guy, a
Speaker 2: very angry guy. He's announcing his can to receive the
Speaker 2: President of the United States, and he's running on a
Speaker 2: very very strict anti mutant platform. But the rally is
Speaker 2: attacked by the acolytes, very cool evil costumes. And these
Speaker 2: acolytes are mutants who follow there what they perceive as
Speaker 2: the teachings and inspiration of Magneto. And they are led
Speaker 2: by Exodus, the mutant dove Juppyopa Jason. Many people will
Speaker 2: fight you down when you see Magneto light so crazy.
Speaker 2: Exodus is joined by Colossus, who has been who's furious
Speaker 2: and rightly so at the yes at the genocidal attack
Speaker 2: by the by the Revamp Sentinels that wiped out Genosha
Speaker 2: and killed his Sister Exodus movement of Your People demands
Speaker 2: that all mutants detained by X Factor fee free them, Freedom,
Speaker 2: free them, Free his people. Professor Xavier, CEO of X Corp,
Speaker 2: talks with Val Cooper, who's trying to get approval to
Speaker 2: activate X Factor, but Exavier already knows what, you know.
Speaker 2: He's like just he's like, don't worry, I know where
Speaker 2: the Acolyte base is. I'm gonna take care of it.
Speaker 2: You're not sending your mutant attack dogs, you know, your
Speaker 2: government attack dogs on it. He sends a team. It's Beast, Polaris, Rogue,
Speaker 2: Nightcrawler and Bishop and the ex Jet and they go
Speaker 2: to the Savage Landes have set up. I love it.
Speaker 2: So immediately the X Men are hit with an energy
Speaker 2: field that strips them of their mutant powers. Crazy powerless.
Speaker 2: They just like are just getting They're just getting rolled.
Speaker 3: And also, yeah, we went talking about him lost episode
Speaker 3: that is very similar to something mister Sinistha has in the.
Speaker 1: Comics, you know, So that was very exciting.
Speaker 2: Very sinister coded. The jet goes down, Bishop flies out,
Speaker 2: Lorna jumps out, rescues him, and the X Men are
Speaker 2: separated of Lorna and Bishop land somewhere separate from wherever
Speaker 2: the X Men have landed after the jet crashed, and
Speaker 2: Bishop realizes that there is this tower. So crazy, there's
Speaker 2: a tower that's broadcasting this inhibitor signal. But because of
Speaker 2: Bishop's mutant power to absorb energy, he is acting like
Speaker 2: as a battery cell that is absorbing this inhibitor tower energy,
Speaker 2: like the mutant powers that are being suppressed or being
Speaker 2: somehow rerooted to him, and so like this vast reservoir
Speaker 2: of energy is building up in him and he is
Speaker 2: very close to not being able to control it anymore,
Speaker 2: which I think I certainly, and I'm sure you did
Speaker 2: as well. This as a metaphor for like his massive
Speaker 2: orgasmicing like he's so crazy, I can't hold God, go
Speaker 2: don't touch me like that, this was crazy, I would.
Speaker 1: Crack it up. You still got that freaky ship in there,
Speaker 1: I know you.
Speaker 2: The Colossus and the Acolytes rescue the X Men, and
Speaker 2: you know they they deal with them as like mutant
Speaker 2: to mutant, but you know this isn't the pure mutant
Speaker 2: terrorism of the early Magneto days. But they're also like,
Speaker 2: no creed is a creed is a criminal against me
Speaker 2: and we'm night Crawler convinces Colossus too. It's like, hey,
Speaker 2: we'll let us see your base.
Speaker 1: It's the European accents.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe you know, maybe I see it, and I
Speaker 2: am convinced, and I'm going to show up.
Speaker 1: And listen.
Speaker 2: If you convince me, Zim moves open hearted and faithful
Speaker 2: of all the X Men, then imagine how that will
Speaker 2: seem to the rest of you can kind and to
Speaker 2: the public. So the acolytes are like, okay. They go
Speaker 2: in there and we learn that it's like a mini
Speaker 2: Genoshit in the Rizland jungle. Varilites are providing shelter to mutants.
Speaker 2: There they honor all fallen mutants, like Magneto, like Magic,
Speaker 2: and Colossus obviously has found a purpose there. Nightcrawler then
Speaker 2: springs his rhetorical trap. He says, where I request a
Speaker 2: trial for grad and Creed po they my brother, Yes,
Speaker 2: he is my brother. We are both the children of Mystique,
Speaker 2: and say what he is? Say what tooth is his
Speaker 2: father's sable to the Mystique, which must have been the freakiest,
Speaker 2: craziest sex ever ever ever, And so therefore he is
Speaker 2: my half brother, and I request the trial for him
Speaker 2: and for them all, I request that Colossus preside over
Speaker 2: the trial, and if you win Exodus, I will join
Speaker 2: the Acolytes happily as a mutant terrorist or whatever you
Speaker 2: call it. Let's take a quick break and we'll be
Speaker 2: right back at the trial. Exodus. Mutant of your People
Speaker 2: argues that you know, Creed is a remorseless anti mutant
Speaker 2: bigot whose you know rhetoric is directly a threat to
Speaker 2: mutant kind everywhere. Yeah, night Crawler flips it and focuses
Speaker 2: on Creed's parentage and the fact that we talked about
Speaker 2: bad parents.
Speaker 1: Serious, We've been talking about them a lot this season.
Speaker 2: But again, this is an episode that frames Charles's ideology
Speaker 2: as like, listen, it's imperfect and it's naive, but it's
Speaker 2: also got some strengths, and hear it highlights the strengths
Speaker 2: by contrasting it negatively with the mutants supremacy ideology. So
Speaker 2: Mistike and Sabertooth, yeah, basically abandoned Creed when his mutant
Speaker 2: powers didn't come out. He turns thirteen. Now, sometimes you
Speaker 2: need like some sort of shock or some sort of
Speaker 2: like heightened emotional state or something very terrible to happen
Speaker 2: to force them to come out. I don't know if
Speaker 2: they tried doing stuff like that, which is.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, did they I would not put
Speaker 1: it pass it.
Speaker 3: If they kind of tormented them, that would be a
Speaker 3: really interesting kind of backstory.
Speaker 1: Actually I would not put it.
Speaker 2: Sabertooth to torment his child to try and get the
Speaker 2: power to come out, but but it didn't happen, and
Speaker 2: they and they abandoned him. And so Nightcrawler is arguing
Speaker 2: that he is a product. His hatred is not purely
Speaker 2: a genocideal anti mutant hatred. He hates his parents for
Speaker 2: abandoning him as a child and leaving him, you know,
Speaker 2: vulnerable to the world. Exodus says, movement of mutant of
Speaker 2: the people says.
Speaker 1: Shut the up and tell me who want to try?
Speaker 2: Yea Colossus, what do you think? But because Colossus that's soft,
Speaker 2: that big, soft hearted rush shit that he is, he
Speaker 2: is hesitating. Exodus realizes and probably read his mind, Like,
Speaker 2: let's face it, we shouldn't mention that Exodus is a
Speaker 2: Omega level mutant that has like telepith, the telekinesis. I believe, like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, remember he can like drain like mutant
Speaker 2: essence like see.
Speaker 3: He's he's a crazy power, like he's another person who
Speaker 3: was mistaken for like a pharaoh throughout history because he's
Speaker 3: so powerful, you know, he's like like es.
Speaker 2: So he probably read Colossus his mind realizes that he
Speaker 2: was going to go against him and attack. He just
Speaker 2: like attacks Classus. There's a big fight. But before Exodus
Speaker 2: can really unleash against everybody on all the heretics, the
Speaker 2: Inhibitor tower explodes, have.
Speaker 3: Blown it up, Jason, I think they definitely had sex
Speaker 3: to blow out.
Speaker 1: I think they did.
Speaker 3: I was just like, I was like that powers, you know,
Speaker 3: they work really well together. They've already been playing on that,
Speaker 3: I think. But I think they fucked to blow up.
Speaker 1: How good for them.
Speaker 2: They're flying on the back of pterodactyls and they fly
Speaker 2: in Brawler and Exodus then have a duel. I have
Speaker 2: a sword duel, which is an errow flint sor er
Speaker 2: which is Exodus is making a huge mistake because this
Speaker 2: is you're playing exactly into Nightcrawler strengths with this.
Speaker 1: Are you crazy?
Speaker 2: This motherfucker looks like a pirate, like he's gonna beat you, Like,
Speaker 2: come on, night Crawler outsmarts. Exodus does the thing where
Speaker 2: he has one sword in the hand and one sword
Speaker 2: in the tail, which is fucking incredible. Exodus refuses to yield,
Speaker 2: and then suddenly a shot rings out and we realize
Speaker 2: that Creed has shot Exodus in the back with some
Speaker 2: gun that was just like laying around. He grabs Nightcrawler
Speaker 2: and it's like, cut us out of here. BRO means
Speaker 2: a safe telepartment of safety, my brother. Nightcrawler teleports him
Speaker 2: outside into the freezing Artist and basically is like, you
Speaker 2: are truly the the terrible ruthlessness of appearance has truly
Speaker 2: gone to you and just leaves him there to freeze,
Speaker 2: crazy crazy and I love it it was, but like
Speaker 2: it was very Nightcrawler does almost he chokes him a
Speaker 2: little bit with the tail, but I mean, you always
Speaker 2: knew that night Crawler was not going to do it,
Speaker 2: but he should have done it at that shot. You shouldn't.
Speaker 2: He should have done it. Night Crawl and Colossus returned
Speaker 2: to the X Mansion. Colossus reveals and I believe he's lying.
Speaker 2: He says, like, no, you didn't convince me by my friend,
Speaker 2: I would have, but you would have given Celia.
Speaker 3: Oh sure, bit no nonsense, absolutely non sense she would
Speaker 3: have another bit.
Speaker 1: That's also the.
Speaker 3: Fact that Colossus goes back to the mansion.
Speaker 1: He convinced him. But what Mattison, he thinks he convinced Eliana.
Speaker 2: I think this is a little bit. This is a
Speaker 2: little bit. This is kind of comics accurate in the
Speaker 2: sense that, like Colossus thought that I was like a
Speaker 2: better person than she was.
Speaker 1: That's true. That's true.
Speaker 2: He always saw her, he always saw her as like
Speaker 2: this innocent his younger sister, who is so innocent. This
Speaker 2: bitch was like the queen of a hell.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say for a long time.
Speaker 2: She would have absolutely decapitated Braden Creed make no mistake whatever.
Speaker 2: At that point, Cable and X force parachute into the
Speaker 2: temple and assens where they got the where they've tracked
Speaker 2: the apocalypse signal. They go in there. It's all dark
Speaker 2: and it's like this weird laboratory. They go in there
Speaker 2: and they find Dune Dundune Apocalypse dead. He's dead. He's
Speaker 2: like laying on a dentist's chair and he's like drained
Speaker 2: of all his essence.
Speaker 1: He's dead. He's yeah.
Speaker 2: And Jubilie is like, oh my god, look at this,
Speaker 2: and she picks up a playing card and that can
Speaker 2: only mean one thing, folks, is damnit y'all.
Speaker 1: Gambit endings in a row.
Speaker 3: They knew that the people loved Gambit after last season,
Speaker 3: so funny, let's.
Speaker 2: Think of a break on back to discuss this episode. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and we are back. Okay. I love this episode. Seems
Speaker 2: some of the same issues in terms of the speed
Speaker 2: with which we are moving past stuff, but this was
Speaker 2: This was a fun one and I love the introduction
Speaker 2: of the acolytes.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say I think that out of the
Speaker 3: three Bottle episodes, because this is a third bottle episode,
Speaker 3: I think you could arguably say which Again, I want
Speaker 3: to say, guys, we've talked about this before. It wouldn't
Speaker 3: have technically been a bottle episode in a twenty three
Speaker 3: episode season. It would have just been an adventure of
Speaker 3: the week, and this is an adventure part of the
Speaker 3: ongoing adventure. But we're getting so few that these really
Speaker 3: do feel like specific bottle episodes as we live in
Speaker 3: a prestige TV time and these are being released weekly.
Speaker 1: Saying that, I think.
Speaker 3: This is the one that works the best, just as
Speaker 3: like our by itself fun adventure. Also, I mean This
Speaker 3: is truly like targeted at us because we've been begging
Speaker 3: to see the Savage Land again. We got those moments
Speaker 3: with Rogan Magneto in season one, So yeah, I just
Speaker 3: thought this was amazing.
Speaker 1: Jason.
Speaker 3: Also, when's the last time that we really got like
Speaker 3: a very night Crawler forward story, Like, wasn't it great
Speaker 3: to have him.
Speaker 2: Since season one? Yeah? I love him. He's always been
Speaker 2: the conscience of the X Men, Like even he is
Speaker 2: more he is more dedicated to the Charles vision than Charles's,
Speaker 2: Like he is the one.
Speaker 1: The actual living it. It's tim and he is.
Speaker 2: The one who lives it like Charles is just kind
Speaker 2: of like, yes, I believe in this philosophy, but secretly
Speaker 2: I'm doing edgy, shadowy shit behind the scenes, you know,
Speaker 2: exactly every fucking time, right, But night Crawler is the
Speaker 2: one who's like walks it like he talked.
Speaker 1: He's an idealist.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's you know, in a very religious man as
Speaker 2: we all know, like very very Catholic guy. Yeah, And
Speaker 2: so I loved him as I loved him this episode
Speaker 2: we get meet too fright with Swords, and you know,
Speaker 2: his relationship with Colossus is always great, always great.
Speaker 3: Well, let's let's talk a little bit about that if people,
Speaker 3: because Colossus is not magic too, neither of them are
Speaker 3: hugely famous. I'd say Colossus is slightly more famous post
Speaker 3: Deadpool to the average audience. But getting to see them
Speaker 3: is really huge because that for us, especially like Colossus,
Speaker 3: that is part of the big thing that we always
Speaker 3: talk about that was so revolutionary for the X Men,
Speaker 3: which is giant sized X Men number one. He was
Speaker 3: this Russian mutant, this international new character created by Lemwin
Speaker 3: and Dave Cochrum are legends and like to see him
Speaker 3: kind of here so sent a stage and to be
Speaker 3: playing on a very emotional story arc.
Speaker 1: For him, it was really cool for me.
Speaker 3: Jason, you mentioned this in the recap that we're not
Speaker 3: doing Legacy Virus, which I think is the correct choice.
Speaker 3: But do you want to give like a TLDR and
Speaker 3: probably why we're not doing it and kind of what
Speaker 3: they changed here.
Speaker 2: Well, it's the legacy virus first of all, was a
Speaker 2: clear metaphor for AIDS.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's the real reason we're not doing it.
Speaker 3: Is like the nuance is just too hard to do,
Speaker 3: it's too analogous.
Speaker 1: It was not particular.
Speaker 3: It was done by some thoughtful people and some not
Speaker 3: thoughtful people throughout history. I think it's a smart choice
Speaker 3: for them to switch that for Genosha.
Speaker 2: Yes, so in the comics, Magic Magic dies of the
Speaker 2: legacy virus in a very like slow and public and
Speaker 2: agonizing way. And it is but it is her death
Speaker 2: that ultimately drives Colossus into the arms of the Acolytes
Speaker 2: kind of just as he just as he does here
Speaker 2: and just as happens here classes with the cool like
Speaker 2: evil costume. Yeah, big shoulder, sharp shoulder pads, becomes like
Speaker 2: the conscience of the Acolytes. Like he's exactly He's never
Speaker 2: a true villain like Exodus, mutant of people and the
Speaker 2: rest of them. So he really is constantly like he's
Speaker 2: doing trying to like pull them towards the light. And
Speaker 2: he later does sabotage some of their very important plan.
Speaker 3: And obviously, as you got just from Jason's tld are there,
Speaker 3: there is a lot here that they do not cover,
Speaker 3: even in the transition to this being about Colossus after
Speaker 3: her death on Genosha, they still didn't give us a
Speaker 3: lot of time here with this relationship with the Acolytes.
Speaker 3: But I did think it was really fun to see magic.
Speaker 3: We talk about her a lot. She's one of our
Speaker 3: favorite characters. She was also another character first debuted in
Speaker 3: Giant Size X Men number one, such an important comic
Speaker 3: for us back in seventy five.
Speaker 1: She was just a child, a little baby.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's really nothing like he saves her from
Speaker 2: being run over by a wheat harvester.
Speaker 3: It's what you would say, I would say, like retroactively,
Speaker 3: you would say, that's like, you know, but when she
Speaker 3: appears as magic magic, you know, which isn't for years
Speaker 3: later on until like nineteen eighty three.
Speaker 1: That what is it about this character that we love
Speaker 1: so much? Jason? Why is magic so fucking cool? Like?
Speaker 1: How does it work?
Speaker 2: Her original mutant power is to teleport, so she can
Speaker 2: tell she can create these teleportation discs and go back
Speaker 2: and forth from places. And she was like a very
Speaker 2: I mean she's she joined the New Mutants, like she
Speaker 2: was at the school at age eleven or twelve orteen,
Speaker 2: Like she's very, very young, and so she's got this
Speaker 2: like very you know, with the sharp blonde bangs, this
Speaker 2: almost like angelic like look to her. But yeah, her
Speaker 2: teleportation power, the way it works is you don't just
Speaker 2: it's not like it's kind of like Nightcrawlers in that
Speaker 2: she goes to a separate dimension and the dimension is
Speaker 2: how she shortcuts to wherever she fears back when she
Speaker 2: teleports back into this dimension. But the dimension teleports through.
Speaker 1: Is like a it's called Limbo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's called Limbo, and it's a hell world populated
Speaker 2: by demons, where her main like lieutenant is this like
Speaker 2: purple demon. Yeah, who smokes a cigar, who becomes like
Speaker 2: over time like her coworker, her best friend, her rival,
Speaker 2: and she has been through various periods like trapped in
Speaker 2: this hell dimension, and so she is just like a
Speaker 2: very She's this character of like insane contrasts where she
Speaker 2: is incredibly loyal to her friends, a hero through and through,
Speaker 2: but also like has a dark side and has struggled
Speaker 2: with like this pull of the of Limbo, and it's
Speaker 2: just really cool, Like she just looks fucking cool.
Speaker 1: She's got a huge sword, she's got bad ass, fucking berzerka.
Speaker 1: So no, I totally agree with you, Jason.
Speaker 3: There's something about the contrast of you know, the small
Speaker 3: girl who is also very dangerous. You know, we've always
Speaker 3: that's a fun trope throughout history.
Speaker 1: I love her. I think she's so bad ass. I
Speaker 1: love her connection to Colossus.
Speaker 3: I actually also really enjoy when they take essentially like
Speaker 3: a character who's just been a background character for years
Speaker 3: and then go, actually, this character is really important. That's
Speaker 3: not just Colossus's little sister. Now she's Illiana and she's
Speaker 3: got this power, and before you know it, you'll be
Speaker 3: reading you Know, Magic, which was her series where they
Speaker 3: kind of revealed her life in limbo. And this is
Speaker 3: not obviously a visual medium, guys, but I do beg
Speaker 3: anyone who is listening to this when you can safely
Speaker 3: look up the cover for Magic issue for I own
Speaker 3: that issue and it is.
Speaker 1: On my wall.
Speaker 3: It's her kind of sitting cross legged above a giant
Speaker 3: pentagram with a sword in the air and her hair
Speaker 3: is swirling around. I still think about getting it tattooed
Speaker 3: on me, like regularly. It's one of the coolest covers
Speaker 3: and I feel like it sums up everything. I don't
Speaker 3: know who did four. It's such an iconic cover, but
Speaker 3: this it was for the Storm and Iliana series, so
Speaker 3: it was slightly it was a slightly less well known series,
Speaker 3: and I can't I'm looking at my cover.
Speaker 1: I can't see the Oh, let's see.
Speaker 3: Okay, So it was actually a Brett Blevins and Tom
Speaker 3: Palmer cover if I look close enough. Yeah, it is
Speaker 3: a crazy cool cover, and I think for me it
Speaker 3: sums up exactly why she's so cool. But I'm glad
Speaker 3: you mentioned Sinkovic I sink Kevitch, because I actually also
Speaker 3: do think that a big thing we have to touch
Speaker 3: on about why Magic is so popular is that new
Speaker 3: Mutant's run. Right, It's that version of her where she
Speaker 3: is allowed to embrace the darkness and be traumatized and
Speaker 3: be vulnerable but be herself.
Speaker 1: It's just such a wonderful character.
Speaker 2: And now, yeah, we should mention that. So Magic was
Speaker 2: dead for like fifteen years in the comic long time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe less than that, like twelve years whatever. She comes
Speaker 2: back because in the House in House of m when Scarlet,
Speaker 2: which creates this alternate to mention like Warp's reality to
Speaker 2: create a world in which Mutant's rule, Eleana is brought
Speaker 2: back and Blasco, her purple demon buddy, senses that she's
Speaker 2: been brought senses that she exists again and is like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, my boss is back. I've got to
Speaker 2: find her and so then later and I forget exactly
Speaker 2: the mechanics, he resurrects her using some magic shit ye
Speaker 2: and brings her back. So I so, I wonder if
Speaker 2: it says to feel like we have to do a
Speaker 2: House of M things somehow.
Speaker 3: Season three House of M is kind of it's that's
Speaker 3: kind of what it's feeling like.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously we can have ungryble, but I think
Speaker 1: that we.
Speaker 2: Could season season four.
Speaker 1: CROCOA, Yeah, that's basically what I think.
Speaker 3: I think Season three will deal with on Slough and
Speaker 3: House of M and then season four will be Cricola.
Speaker 1: Okay, Jason lost.
Speaker 3: Question as we head into the last few episodes, will
Speaker 3: sparing Grade and Creed help or hunt the relationship between
Speaker 3: humans and mutants?
Speaker 1: Is it going to come back to bite night? Crola, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I'll.
Speaker 2: Come, it'll come back, because he's gonna say, those mutant
Speaker 2: scum they kill me. I barely escape with my life
Speaker 2: for they love me to die and let's go my
Speaker 2: disgusting But he'd never truly admit that like his brother,
Speaker 2: but he would disgusting mutant muty scum. They try to
Speaker 2: kill me and they want to kill you. They want
Speaker 2: to kill you like they tried to kill me, and
Speaker 2: so I think it will backfire. I think it will
Speaker 2: cause even more heightened anti mutant feeling, which I if
Speaker 2: we're doing CROCOA, I think we will eventually get like
Speaker 2: some version of Orcus where the humans, Yeah, the humans
Speaker 2: all get together and are like, we need to like
Speaker 2: raise our fucking game and have like the smartest like
Speaker 2: anti mutant minds working on a like a project to
Speaker 2: really bring them down. So I think that.
Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: Actually, I think that's where we're going eventually, is like
Speaker 2: the post Striker kind of like maniac anti human anti
Speaker 2: mutant mm hmm. It's extremists to the more measured, like
Speaker 2: scientific technocratic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would actually be a really terrifying kind of
Speaker 3: analogue for everything going on right now to this kind
Speaker 3: of Also, it does the idea of Charles starting X
Speaker 3: Corps does introduce the possibility for an anti mutant corporation
Speaker 3: to be introduced to kind of take them on.
Speaker 1: To Oh wow, this one I have to do?
Speaker 2: Did we kill do we kill exodus people? Too soon?
Speaker 3: I mean not in the case of this podcast, because
Speaker 3: then you can't say anymore so that's good.
Speaker 2: What's funny is like they mention it. They they're like,
Speaker 2: I think I forget exactly what they say. They call
Speaker 2: him a templar or something. Yeah, and it's such a
Speaker 2: like throwa.
Speaker 1: Right, this is not so.
Speaker 2: Give us an Exodus was like a twelfth century templar
Speaker 2: crusader who went to Egypt where he encountered apocalypse and
Speaker 2: apocalypse like awakened. He was a mutant, but like Apocalypse,
Speaker 2: sensed it and like awakened his mutant power and at
Speaker 2: least in the comics like Exodus, mutant of ja people
Speaker 2: has as we mentioned, like omega level powers.
Speaker 1: He can do.
Speaker 2: He can move stuff with his mind, he can invade
Speaker 2: minds like you know, telepathy, he can teleport, he can
Speaker 2: create force fields, there's the psychic vampirism thing. And then
Speaker 2: I think he could resurrect, but but I'm not sure. Anyway,
Speaker 2: he was just like tremendously powerful, and he is as
Speaker 2: you would imagine because he is a twelfth century anti
Speaker 2: Muslim crusader, like he has very very extreme quasi religious
Speaker 2: views about stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it was he was created by Scott
Speaker 3: Lobdell as well, So you know that's always it's always
Speaker 3: a dangerous game. And Joey Q though jokesata who we
Speaker 3: do love Jason. I'm I'm glad you brought this up,
Speaker 3: actually because my first thought when I was thinking about this,
Speaker 3: because this is like the John Rema Junior versions of
Speaker 3: Exodus are some of the coolest character design shit I've
Speaker 3: ever seen.
Speaker 1: Like, and also I love all the weird.
Speaker 3: Shit where it's like he's friends with Black Knight and
Speaker 3: shit like that.
Speaker 2: I love that because he knew him from the twelfth
Speaker 2: fucking century.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I love that shit. But so I was wondering,
Speaker 3: like why do you kill him off? I actually also
Speaker 3: think this could be a power scaling issue, which.
Speaker 1: I think is a problem the show.
Speaker 3: I think he's too powerful, Like I think you kill
Speaker 3: him off in a shocking kind of humanistic way to
Speaker 3: kind of cut it down because the reality is like
Speaker 3: he is going to be too powerful against an apocalypse,
Speaker 3: like he could actually help. Also, let's let's I'm gonna
Speaker 3: ask you another one because this is getting me going
Speaker 3: because Aboo did bring this up with Morph that is
Speaker 3: a power scaling issue in this show, which is like
Speaker 3: how do Morph's powers work?
Speaker 1: Could he just be apocalypse could he just be outsidus?
Speaker 2: More so, as I understand it, morph morph can take
Speaker 2: on So if there are heroes or mutants who have
Speaker 2: purely physical based, like strength based powers like the Thing
Speaker 2: or Puppy both of these, right yeah, or Colossus, right,
Speaker 2: so he can he can take on those powers and
Speaker 2: reorient his cells to do that and grow new cells
Speaker 2: that will create that you know, that will mimic that power.
Speaker 2: But it takes a to do that. Is takes only
Speaker 2: do it for a period of time, and it is
Speaker 2: very very tiring and taxing, Like he can't just keep
Speaker 2: doing that like indefinitely. Yeah too, he right, he can't
Speaker 2: mimic like energy powers, like he couldn't become Scott and
Speaker 2: then shoot optic grades.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he couldn't.
Speaker 3: That's that's the thing, right, So he can't replicate powers
Speaker 3: that aren't just about like.
Speaker 1: The density or his own body right right? Okay, so
Speaker 1: that does make sense.
Speaker 3: But yeah again, I think the only reason they killed
Speaker 3: off Exodus who won again, Like you said, problematic past
Speaker 3: when it's like how.
Speaker 1: Do you adapt that? But I mean, would I want
Speaker 1: to see a whole Exodus season? Like fuck yeah, like set.
Speaker 3: In the twelve I would like to be off like
Speaker 3: that a real acolyte season. Also a season where he's
Speaker 3: in the twelfth century like Crusade.
Speaker 1: Shit, Like, I just think there's a lot there. But
Speaker 1: I don't think we did.
Speaker 3: For the story that we're telling, I don't think that
Speaker 3: we killed him off too fast. Like, I don't think
Speaker 3: the show is going to be lacking, but I do
Speaker 3: think that part of the reason that they But then again,
Speaker 3: can you really kill him if?
Speaker 1: Like, is he the heel again from the will again?
Speaker 2: I feel like if I do, which I believe will happen,
Speaker 2: if we do Krakoa by season four, I think everyone
Speaker 2: is coming back.
Speaker 1: Everyone's coming back. Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah. On the next episode of Extra Vision, we're diving
Speaker 2: into our first reactions to Spider and brand new day.
Speaker 1: Aye, it's happening.
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