Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black
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Speaker 1: back Man, season two of All the Sloke. We got
Speaker 1: a real special guests. What's up with your Brodie with
Speaker 1: the virtual handshake? I wanna tell ya something that I
Speaker 1: never told him about Smoke. Welcome back to another edition
Speaker 1: of All the Smoke, Jack, what's up Bro? My brother
Speaker 1: was happening? Man, I can't call it starting to get
Speaker 1: caught out here in the l An. Don't like it,
Speaker 1: bro um Man. Hey, it's all it's always hoodie weather,
Speaker 1: hoodie weather out there, so I like it. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's getting cold. It started to get cold in
Speaker 1: the East Atlanta. We get it. We get a little
Speaker 1: bit of every season, but you know, when you get
Speaker 1: into the cold in l A, y'all start to panic.
Speaker 1: One thing about Atlanta, Bro, they don't give a fuck
Speaker 1: about masks. U y'a don't get nothing, no kind of regulation,
Speaker 1: no nothing. Y'all just out there ripping and running like
Speaker 1: the pandemic don't exist. Uh, this is wa condo that
Speaker 1: this is for real. Wakndom Man, Thanks, hey man. We
Speaker 1: got a special guest. Man two time, nbah Chimp. Chris
Speaker 1: Bosh is in the building today. Chris, how you doing man,
Speaker 1: Thanks for your Timeue Man, good to see you, guys Man,
Speaker 1: Texas boy, Texas boy. Yeah. Yeah. First and the foremost,
Speaker 1: how's the family doing? We were talking before we started,
Speaker 1: how homeschool is kicking your ass? I was telling you
Speaker 1: what I did with my homeschool. But how how are
Speaker 1: you in the family doing right now? Everybody is good man.
Speaker 1: You know, um, I didn't think I was gonna have
Speaker 1: to do the third in the first grade again. But
Speaker 1: the work is, the work is harder and different. They
Speaker 1: break down problems different. Now everything is different. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: look at it. You know, my kids go to private school,
Speaker 1: and I look at their problems and the way they
Speaker 1: do stuff. I said, yeah, we didn't do that, you know.
Speaker 1: And you know, my favorite, my favorite classes, back to lunch,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Now, I told you I
Speaker 1: had to hire up the fifth grade math kick my
Speaker 1: ass at the end of last school year. So I
Speaker 1: heard my kids like a full time teacher that's in
Speaker 1: the house, at my house and at their mom's house.
Speaker 1: Like so when they're doing their zoom work with their
Speaker 1: theirs two school teacher. They got another teacher right there.
Speaker 1: I'm like, don't even bother me at that no more. Man,
Speaker 1: I got yelling on your own with that, but that
Speaker 1: that school work is just different, man, it is man,
Speaker 1: it is. Man. Teachers, God bless you all. Miss you,
Speaker 1: to miss you. Man. I love my teachers before all
Speaker 1: this madness started, you know what I'm saying. So, you know,
Speaker 1: I hope we figured this out, man, because this is
Speaker 1: crazy fact politics, social justice, pandemic. We're you know, a
Speaker 1: new president elect. The kind of seems like the world
Speaker 1: is somewhat in shambles right now. What is your outlooking?
Speaker 1: What have you been thinking of later? Just about between
Speaker 1: all that, what's been going on? Man? You know, I
Speaker 1: guess the overall general thing I've really been thinking about first,
Speaker 1: starting with the pandemic, um was just kind of falling
Speaker 1: back in the family, um back into really learning how
Speaker 1: to be on top of each other and exists. You know,
Speaker 1: I got five kids, and um, you know, a big
Speaker 1: house can seem very small. It seems like it's not
Speaker 1: much space, you know, And we had to learn how
Speaker 1: to respect each other's space, you know, we had to.
Speaker 1: I took a lot of the time to kind of
Speaker 1: do the small stuff, like, uh, teaching the kids, you know,
Speaker 1: how to sit at the table um, you know, because
Speaker 1: usually when you're ripping and running, you don't get to that.
Speaker 1: I'm to that part in parents parenting where you know,
Speaker 1: you can get mad at the kid, but it's like,
Speaker 1: oh damn, I gotta teach you that. What what what's
Speaker 1: the age range of your kids? I got a twelve
Speaker 1: year old, I got a seven year old, I got
Speaker 1: an eight year old, and to four year olds to
Speaker 1: four year old. You got twins, that's right, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I got twins, so it is the range is big.
Speaker 1: My twins just turned twelve. So I just had thirteen,
Speaker 1: eleven and twelve year olds over here for forty eight
Speaker 1: hours straight out. Almost died when they even sent the
Speaker 1: twins back to their mom half of the earlier, like
Speaker 1: you gotta take I can't do kids no more. I
Speaker 1: need to break man. But it's a it's a beautiful thing,
Speaker 1: hey man. That is all. That's a part of it, man,
Speaker 1: And that's that's kind of the part that I love.
Speaker 1: It is just you know, because growing up, I went
Speaker 1: to a lot of summer camps. I went to a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of times over my grandma's house
Speaker 1: with six cousins in there once, or my uncle's house.
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm used to that dynamic. It's just
Speaker 1: it's funny. I'm just changing roles and just kind of
Speaker 1: being more more a parent um and you know, with
Speaker 1: the election and all that stuff. Man, it's just chaos really,
Speaker 1: to be honest, I just want I just want things
Speaker 1: to be in a position where people are talking. You know,
Speaker 1: it's kind of it's kind of weird. Anybody you talk
Speaker 1: to is mad and pissed and and something needs to
Speaker 1: be done, and there's some kind of conspiracy, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. I think it would be healthy for
Speaker 1: the nation to kind of, you know, at least get
Speaker 1: some kind of dialogue because there's none at all. You know.
Speaker 1: You can watch your channel and you can follow, you
Speaker 1: follow on social and that's it, you know. I agree.
Speaker 1: I think the only way to move forward is conversation,
Speaker 1: the hard conversations. You know, they need to on both sides.
Speaker 1: But I completely agree that. How do you feel the
Speaker 1: the NBA did one with the bubble, but continuing to
Speaker 1: keep their message their social message, excuse me, social justice
Speaker 1: message alive during the during the bubble plag I think
Speaker 1: that was that was very important, very interesting. I mean, um,
Speaker 1: it obviously takes endurance, um to uh to keep a
Speaker 1: message going, and they did that every day, um, you know,
Speaker 1: allowing the players uh to you know, choose from the
Speaker 1: pool of social justice acts and put it on their
Speaker 1: jerseys things like that, having the Black Lives Matter on
Speaker 1: the court, Um, that was huge. And I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: even one of I mean most importantly sticking by what
Speaker 1: the message should be and supporting the players, and I
Speaker 1: mean especially um, you know, with it affecting the players,
Speaker 1: you know, with Sterling Brown having, um, having a situation
Speaker 1: he had, um, you know, prior to all this stuff.
Speaker 1: So I was just happy to see the guys continue
Speaker 1: to do that because it's not easy. And at the
Speaker 1: same time, you're in that bubble. You can't go anywhere
Speaker 1: you're used to going, you know, packing up your bags
Speaker 1: and going somewhere every week, and and then they were
Speaker 1: just stationary and still having, you know, to play at
Speaker 1: the same time try to perpetuate this message while chaos
Speaker 1: is going outside. So you know, I mean it's not easy.
Speaker 1: And then you know, you guys know how it is,
Speaker 1: you'll be in there and and everybody will be like, ah,
Speaker 1: well you paid, you find you're an athlete, You're okay,
Speaker 1: Like you know, your mental health isn't important. So I
Speaker 1: really commend those guys for for doing what they did.
Speaker 1: They did a wonderful job. And and you know, the
Speaker 1: message will continue. Seeing Lebron in your seventeen someone you
Speaker 1: came in the league with, someone who was a friend
Speaker 1: of yours. You got a chance to play, win some
Speaker 1: rings with. What are your thoughts on just his How
Speaker 1: do you say, who who has been in their prime
Speaker 1: for seventeen years? No one, No one comes to mind. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, I know, man, You know, we all have
Speaker 1: our dreams and how things are gonna go and how
Speaker 1: your career is gonna be played out. And I mean
Speaker 1: to actually watch him do it, I think one we're
Speaker 1: not going to appreciate it until until he's done playing.
Speaker 1: UM And it's gonna be a dangerous new norm for
Speaker 1: any other player who wants to be the goat you're
Speaker 1: at least gonna have. You're gonna have to have eighteen
Speaker 1: years of prime, Like come on, man, like, come on, bro,
Speaker 1: I mean even looking at my um, you know, my career,
Speaker 1: great career, you know, very long. But as far as
Speaker 1: like playoffs are concerned, you know, I didn't only went
Speaker 1: to the playoffs two times before going to Miami, you know,
Speaker 1: and then we had the four year stretch and that
Speaker 1: was it. That was all the playoff games I played.
Speaker 1: He's consistently played in the playoffs, not just oh yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, take your lumps and go home and have
Speaker 1: a five month summer like that happened once. He only
Speaker 1: missed the playoffs one time or twice with the Lakers
Speaker 1: as well. But I mean just just being able to
Speaker 1: play and being able to hoop at a high level
Speaker 1: for so long and still getting it done. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's amazing doing the the NBA Bubba basketball. He was
Speaker 1: able to see your former team that he played against,
Speaker 1: your former teammate Lebron. I know you had I know
Speaker 1: you had mixed emotions. What was that like? It was
Speaker 1: tough man, to be honest with you, um, because I
Speaker 1: know how much I know how hard it is. You know,
Speaker 1: you guys know how hard it is to get there.
Speaker 1: And I'm talking about winning, you know, just getting there
Speaker 1: and the toll that it takes, the focus that it takes,
Speaker 1: and you know, I have friends on both sides. You know,
Speaker 1: in both the front office, um, you know in Miami,
Speaker 1: n l A, the coaching staff, the players, um, the gms.
Speaker 1: You know, you build these relationships with everybody. I mean
Speaker 1: it's tough to watch you You definitely always want to
Speaker 1: see your guys compete. But the toughest part was kind
Speaker 1: of watching the heat deal with injuries, seeing my man
Speaker 1: go around tragic, finally get there and not be able
Speaker 1: to play. Man that you know, they kind of broke
Speaker 1: my heart. Man, he was playing well too. People don't
Speaker 1: People don't realize he was leading the team and scoring.
Speaker 1: He was an avident almost twenty one points a game.
Speaker 1: He was as a big piece for sure, man. And
Speaker 1: I mean not to say they win, but it would
Speaker 1: definitely be definitely be a different series. You know if
Speaker 1: he plays, and you know, just to be able to
Speaker 1: play in the finals, Uh, I don't care where they're playing.
Speaker 1: If it's the finals and it's the NBA, that's a
Speaker 1: dream come true to to you know, for him not
Speaker 1: to have that full experience, that was tough. But you know,
Speaker 1: with that said, they still went out there and and
Speaker 1: and fought. Um, I know what the message was definitely
Speaker 1: on both sides, but specifically with the heat. I know
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of people were writing them
Speaker 1: off and kind of really not paying much attention to him.
Speaker 1: But you know, when you get there, you don't get
Speaker 1: there just to lose. You don't get there to say, well, hey,
Speaker 1: good season. I knew for sure they were gonna prepare,
Speaker 1: they were gonna fight, you know until the last man standing, um,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna you were gonna have to beat those guys.
Speaker 1: And it happened. But you know, pain is pain. Um.
Speaker 1: I know they'll be able to get over it, um
Speaker 1: and it'll make them a better team. And you know,
Speaker 1: to the Lakers, man, you know, one down, let's see, uh,
Speaker 1: let's see if they could keep it going. Yeah. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: There's a lot of talk about who's coming and going there.
Speaker 1: So it'll be interesting to see next season. Texas raised
Speaker 1: you uh leak in high school? Uh decided to go
Speaker 1: to Georgia Tech. You or a one and done there
Speaker 1: the number four kick? So what was it? What was
Speaker 1: it like going from Texas to Toronto? You know anything
Speaker 1: about it? I knew nothing about it. All I knew
Speaker 1: is that they played at the Air Canada Center. Um,
Speaker 1: they had played in the the Dome before. That's all
Speaker 1: I knew in the Blue Jays played there, you know,
Speaker 1: Joe Carter knocked one back in ninety two. You know,
Speaker 1: that's all I really knew. Everything else, you know, I
Speaker 1: knew nothing about the city. I worked out for him,
Speaker 1: and it was just, you know, it was a different experience.
Speaker 1: I mean, one one of the things I didn't anticipate was,
Speaker 1: you know, being different was how like little things you'll
Speaker 1: go buy a speed signing, it'll be kilometers per hour,
Speaker 1: or the McDonald's will taste just a little different, you know,
Speaker 1: And what was it? What was the McDonald's coming to America?
Speaker 1: What was that ship called McDonald Yeah, but just a
Speaker 1: culture shock. It's a different place. And and it's cold.
Speaker 1: You know, it's cold. Man. I thought I thought I
Speaker 1: saw snow. I hadn't seen any snow. I thought I
Speaker 1: was cold when I got there. Um, that's that I
Speaker 1: had to you had to get used to it. And
Speaker 1: at the same time, you know, the league league was
Speaker 1: a little different than man, it was. It wasn't as
Speaker 1: young um as it is today. I mean, you you
Speaker 1: you go directly, I'm a nineteen year old. You go
Speaker 1: directly to a team with grown ass men, you know,
Speaker 1: with kids and you know, part time jobs and ship.
Speaker 1: You know, you can't you you can't. You can't be
Speaker 1: getting that Texas though. You know I went to Linkol too,
Speaker 1: but Dallas Lincoln and put off the Lincoln. You can't
Speaker 1: play high school basketball and not know about Dallas Lincoln
Speaker 1: and put the link talk about that Texas, that Texas, man.
Speaker 1: You know, that's one of the that's one of the
Speaker 1: things my dad he misses most. He misses going to
Speaker 1: the games. You get him talking about basketball. He always
Speaker 1: goes back to high school basketball every single time, you know,
Speaker 1: and in room only. Yeah. Man, just just just wanted
Speaker 1: to be able to have a good team and then
Speaker 1: you know the whole hoods, you know, giving you support
Speaker 1: and showing up. Um. I've been talking with a lot
Speaker 1: of my old friends and you know we were we
Speaker 1: were just saying like, damn, that was like to me,
Speaker 1: to us far our generation, we feel like, man, that
Speaker 1: was that was that felt like that was you know,
Speaker 1: a good year in South Dallas. Nothing happened, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Everything was all good, people celebrating. The
Speaker 1: news cameras was there. Everybody was having fun. You know.
Speaker 1: Overall I mean it was just my My experience was great.
Speaker 1: I think, um, I think we played par we played Jefferson,
Speaker 1: and we played Lincoln. Yeah, yeah, yeah that we always
Speaker 1: you know because you yeah, you hear everything about p A.
Speaker 1: I thought it was fascinating. I'm like, oh ship they
Speaker 1: linked to the Oh damn you got played him one day.
Speaker 1: I mean, and you know, it being a powerhouse and
Speaker 1: you know, we always knew, uh, you know about the
Speaker 1: best players in the UH, in the country and in
Speaker 1: the state. Rochard Lewis, you guys pretty much where kind
Speaker 1: of like the barometer of what's possible because you guys
Speaker 1: went first and it's like okay, damn LJ going like okay,
Speaker 1: a damn we can you know, more people can get
Speaker 1: in and and and once it got competitive, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean Texas has athletes. You know, once you put
Speaker 1: guys on the court and get get those uh, get
Speaker 1: those folks to working hard. Man is you know, sky's
Speaker 1: the limit and you know our our round was magically
Speaker 1: we got to go down state because yeah, from from
Speaker 1: six to like two thousand and two, around the time
Speaker 1: you graduated, you wasn't going to Austin to the state championship.
Speaker 1: And either Datas Lincoln or Port Arthur Lincoln was there.
Speaker 1: One of our schools was that every year represented state
Speaker 1: championship four A, five A. And people don't know how
Speaker 1: big that is in Texas. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: That basket football is big in Texas, But that state
Speaker 1: championship high school basketball where you get to see one A,
Speaker 1: two eight three five A top school all day, That's
Speaker 1: that's a great experience. Bro, Yeah man all day and
Speaker 1: um one of my favorite teams that we got to watch.
Speaker 1: I thought they were unbelievable. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: got to see uh t J. Ford and Daniel you
Speaker 1: and they're singing yet willow Rich. Willow Rich is always
Speaker 1: good to know that yeah team. And I mean they
Speaker 1: not that they was messing with the game, but you
Speaker 1: could tell they had to toe we're not gonna lose.
Speaker 1: They could be down five with two seconds left, they
Speaker 1: still believe they're gonna win. You know, two thousand three,
Speaker 1: I wont INBA championship, but you got drafted in two
Speaker 1: thousand three. Draft class was unbelievable. Let's talk about the
Speaker 1: draft class, man, the old draft class. You know, it's
Speaker 1: funny like me Brian and Mellow. Um we had probably
Speaker 1: been playing playing against each other, slashed together in that
Speaker 1: AUTH circuit for two years up until that point, you know. Um.
Speaker 1: I met Mellow for the first time in Colorado Springs
Speaker 1: in two thousands and two, right before college, and uh
Speaker 1: we played on the USA national team I had always
Speaker 1: heard about. No, no, no, let me take that back.
Speaker 1: Met him and the McDonald's All American game. Before that,
Speaker 1: I met bron Um in ABC D camp and in
Speaker 1: two thousand and one, yeah, in two thousand one, summer
Speaker 1: two thousand one. So like, you know, having those experiences
Speaker 1: as kids and then getting to accomplish your dream and
Speaker 1: seeing the same dudes next to you that was you know, crazy.
Speaker 1: And then with Dwayne, we had the same agents. So
Speaker 1: we're both kids and you know, we're we I think
Speaker 1: it was I met Dwayne in pre draft and so
Speaker 1: you know, sitting down meeting him, this is like the
Speaker 1: agency team, you know how it is, and they pooled
Speaker 1: us all together and it's like, all right, you guys
Speaker 1: are friends now. You know. I had only seen him
Speaker 1: play on TV and all that stuff. So really, and
Speaker 1: I mean even with t J too, because t J
Speaker 1: was in there too, I mean watching him playing high
Speaker 1: school and um, you know, meeting a couple of times,
Speaker 1: just passing by, you know, playing ball. It's it was.
Speaker 1: It was crazy, man. I mean, we knew, we knew,
Speaker 1: we wanted to do special things and stuff. Of course,
Speaker 1: looking looking, you know, back on things now, we know
Speaker 1: how the story went. But at that time, it was
Speaker 1: just cool that you had people that you knew and
Speaker 1: were familiar with along the journey, which he saw. It
Speaker 1: didn't make it too too weird or too too tough,
Speaker 1: you know, because it was. It was tough enough. Arguably
Speaker 1: one of the, if not the you know, shoot, top
Speaker 1: two or three classes of all time. Considering everything you
Speaker 1: know that you four accomplished in your careers, and you
Speaker 1: look at Kobe's draft class and somewhat you know some
Speaker 1: of us all it might throw in another drift class
Speaker 1: or two, but your guys drift classes definitely uh up
Speaker 1: there at the top. You spoke on your experience being
Speaker 1: a rookie with grown mass man kind of thrown in
Speaker 1: the fire. You got a chance to play with Vince
Speaker 1: Carter for one year there. Uh you know, I remember
Speaker 1: first seeing him there and he was just he took
Speaker 1: the world by storm, you know, wouldn't be in sanity
Speaker 1: half man, half amazing, you know, kind of hit hit
Speaker 1: Toronto and put them on the map. How was it
Speaker 1: your one year playing with BC. It was tough. It
Speaker 1: was tough, but he did an awesome job, you know,
Speaker 1: looking back on it. He was only like twenty five
Speaker 1: years old, you know. And he took me under his wing.
Speaker 1: He um. You know, he take me out to eat
Speaker 1: on the road. He even came over, you know, with
Speaker 1: dinner with me and my parents. You know that my
Speaker 1: parents and stuff, and um, you know, he showed me, um,
Speaker 1: you know things. He took me under his wing, you know.
Speaker 1: And uh, I don't. I'm not sure if people knew
Speaker 1: my capability coming into the league. You know, I had
Speaker 1: supreme confidence in myself, so I knew I could help
Speaker 1: the team right away. I knew that he wanted to win, um,
Speaker 1: and so did I. So I wanted. I always wanted
Speaker 1: to be that rookie that showed up in the game,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because it was so much
Speaker 1: pressure and he was so good. I mean a lot
Speaker 1: of people don't know how much talent he possessed. God,
Speaker 1: I trying to tell people. Man, one of the most
Speaker 1: physically gifted and skilled people I've ever seen in my
Speaker 1: whole entire life. Yeah, he was incredible. So just just
Speaker 1: to be able to see that and just I mean
Speaker 1: just to see the insanity factor to be at All
Speaker 1: Star with this dude and just watch him just walking
Speaker 1: people reacting to him, and it was it was amazing,
Speaker 1: you know, even you know, a couple of parties, even
Speaker 1: couple of parties, just a couple, just a couple. We
Speaker 1: didn't have a game the next day, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, But he took me, did a great job,
Speaker 1: and just just like really just being around him, man,
Speaker 1: he was. He was awesome. That he one thing that
Speaker 1: I used to love bro to me. I was just like, Yo,
Speaker 1: this dude is crazy, but I respected it was when
Speaker 1: you used to do like your pitch to become an
Speaker 1: NBA All Star. I mean all that. Now you're in
Speaker 1: the loving time All Star, but you really used to
Speaker 1: do your little pictures and act. And where did that
Speaker 1: ship come from? Because that ship used to have me
Speaker 1: wrote you know what it was brother, not boredom. I
Speaker 1: don't want to say boredom, but to be honest, the
Speaker 1: only reason I had that idea times weren't like they
Speaker 1: are now. Um, the voting system for All Star was
Speaker 1: just a little different. So if you played, which is
Speaker 1: still the same now, but if you played in a
Speaker 1: certain area, you're more likely to get votes, right. Um.
Speaker 1: And I always at the time, I thought that Toronto
Speaker 1: was gonna be able. I thought everybody was given Toronto
Speaker 1: a tough time, you know. And then I remember looking,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be an All Star that year, and
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the numbers, and I mean KG and
Speaker 1: Brian there, their voting numbers are just it's another level
Speaker 1: of Superstartum, you know what I'm saying. And all I
Speaker 1: only did that just to kind of bring the votes
Speaker 1: up and make it a little closer because it was
Speaker 1: embarrassing being way and third way and third bro. But
Speaker 1: like I always, like I always mess with the camera,
Speaker 1: always did videos and stuff, and you know, just my
Speaker 1: brother and my friends, we'd always make each other laugh
Speaker 1: and do do my crazy crazy stuff. But you know,
Speaker 1: funny ship and you know, really just have a good
Speaker 1: time man. And and really, I mean another huge influence
Speaker 1: on me was like me and my dad and my brother,
Speaker 1: we would watch and Living Color every Sunday night. We're
Speaker 1: watching Living Color, and we watched The Star Trek the
Speaker 1: Next Generation and then the old School Start Track with
Speaker 1: with William Shatner, you know what I mean, and Richard
Speaker 1: Nimore and we would we would sit there and our favorite,
Speaker 1: of course, I was watching and Living Color and watching
Speaker 1: those dudes. I mean that was kind of like the
Speaker 1: early influence. Yeah, and so I always love that stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, and that was pretty much just like my
Speaker 1: imitation of it. Keenan every Waynes doesn't get enough love
Speaker 1: for all the people we had were lucky enough to
Speaker 1: have Jimmy Foxxon and we discussed, I mean how pivotal
Speaker 1: Keenan and every Waynes was to a whole nineties movement. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they should talk more about that. Um, I mean, he
Speaker 1: gets no love, like none at all. And I mean
Speaker 1: just really did Wayan's family as an empire Maybe they
Speaker 1: wanted like that. I don't know, you know, but they
Speaker 1: should definitely get more credit, just yeah, for for everything
Speaker 1: or most of the stuff we saw visually in the nineties.
Speaker 1: They definitely need to get a lot of credit for that. Man, absolutely,
Speaker 1: you yep, you battle against some of the best force
Speaker 1: to ever play in the game during your time. Dirk
Speaker 1: Tim Duncan, Rashid, Chris Webber. I know, I know it
Speaker 1: was some nice when you couldn't sleep before and after games,
Speaker 1: talk about talk about battling with those guys man, my yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that was the thing that inspired to be.
Speaker 1: You know, all those guys you name KG, you know,
Speaker 1: they they pretty much set the tone. And I mean
Speaker 1: especially out west, you might, I mean you might go Dallas, Sacramento, Minnesota,
Speaker 1: you know, and and um, if you didn't bring it
Speaker 1: on any particular night at that position, or if you
Speaker 1: couldn't guard, or if you couldn't score, you know, you're
Speaker 1: probably gonna get embarrassed. But I loved it. I mean,
Speaker 1: all those guys are my heroes growing up, so I
Speaker 1: wanted um to really put myself in the position like them. Um,
Speaker 1: you know they set the model for it. And I
Speaker 1: mean a lot of Knights not sleeping. The team I
Speaker 1: used to hate playing the most was the Pistons. Bro
Speaker 1: when she was with the Pistons, man, I you know that.
Speaker 1: I yeah, I couldn't sleep. Those were the Knights. I
Speaker 1: couldn't sleep. Could not sleep for sure, man, because they're
Speaker 1: gonna be physics cool. Yeah. I need my team needs
Speaker 1: to me to get twenty five thirty points, I'm probably
Speaker 1: not gonna get it, you know, because they're gonna put
Speaker 1: a lot of bodies on me, you know, get it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wasn't defense wasn't wasn't that strong back then, you know,
Speaker 1: And that was always the worst thing to hear if
Speaker 1: you in these games. Flip Saunders, you know, the late
Speaker 1: great man, he wasn't shot about anything. Third four comes here,
Speaker 1: we go nothing and it's nothing I can do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we a man, but you know, now, you know how
Speaker 1: we felt. Now you know how wep at with me
Speaker 1: and Matt wasn't going to state we had to guard
Speaker 1: your ass. Man, you know, I hated that was the
Speaker 1: one thing I hated. You give me a big guy,
Speaker 1: I can I'm okay, but you guys guard me if
Speaker 1: if a smaller person was on it. I just didn't
Speaker 1: know what to do. Man. I hated it because my
Speaker 1: game was face up. I wanted to take advantage of man.
Speaker 1: You take that you're getting in my ship. I can't see.
Speaker 1: I don't want to pass and we done with and
Speaker 1: we done with, done with. Hated I hated playing you guys.
Speaker 1: I was with that team. Hey, out of the people
Speaker 1: you name, you know, KG, Duncan Weber was she Dirk?
Speaker 1: Who was your toughest personal battle? Okay, g by far,
Speaker 1: it's not even close. You can He's gonna talk big
Speaker 1: ship to you, dude. I had to get over man,
Speaker 1: I had to. I had to get over it. I
Speaker 1: had to, like, you know, go to the temple and
Speaker 1: like do some meditation. Bro. He got me one time,
Speaker 1: so good bro in the game, and I had a
Speaker 1: terrible game too. He called me a mama's boy. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, and this is on top of her forget
Speaker 1: all the curse words, you know, m f M, back
Speaker 1: and forth. He said, wait, I mean you know what
Speaker 1: mean you a mama's boy? And I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my my bro, my mind was gone. I probably I
Speaker 1: probably scored five points. I got dominated and embarrassed. I
Speaker 1: was just like, Bro, I'm in my sheet, I'm in
Speaker 1: my bed, just can't sleep, just like he mean mama's boy.
Speaker 1: I ain't, no damn mama. You know that's KG. K Hey.
Speaker 1: KG walked on the court in the first his first
Speaker 1: five minutes, he talking to himself. Come on, motherfucker, that's cool.
Speaker 1: Like he talking to himself the whole time. Dog bro
Speaker 1: and I let him like, man, who, Man, who are
Speaker 1: you talking to? Bro? And that woke him up and
Speaker 1: shut me down. Bro. And ever since that day, I said,
Speaker 1: I'm okay, I'm not in a trash talk. I can't
Speaker 1: even I'm trying to think of comebacks and the game's
Speaker 1: still going, you know what I mean, I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: this to him, like you got five b Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Who is someone? Uh? Growing up? Because you were known
Speaker 1: as one of the most versatile force in our game
Speaker 1: when you were able to stretch your game out. Who
Speaker 1: are some of the people you looked up toward, maybe
Speaker 1: one in particular who you kind of tried to patting
Speaker 1: your game after. Oh it was cag as well. I
Speaker 1: think that's why it was so. I mean you can
Speaker 1: pretty much put him across the board I had, you know,
Speaker 1: and I definitely appreciated everybody's game. I wanted to say,
Speaker 1: wanted to say my second favorite was she, you know,
Speaker 1: just because I mean she was she. But I was
Speaker 1: looking at somebody that looked like me, you know, so
Speaker 1: right away you know he you know, when I saw
Speaker 1: him as a rookie, he was thin, fast, long, you know,
Speaker 1: playing both sides, both ends of the court. That's you know,
Speaker 1: that that was who I identified with. So that face
Speaker 1: up game, I had never seen anything like it. You know,
Speaker 1: at the time, I had those old school coaches. You know,
Speaker 1: if the big if the big man puts the ball
Speaker 1: on the floor, you know, it's one of those things.
Speaker 1: And I watched him put the ball on the floor,
Speaker 1: shoot the j um, block a shot, get the rebound,
Speaker 1: you know, start the break. Once I saw that Um,
Speaker 1: that opened my mind to it. Then I saw Lamar Oldham,
Speaker 1: Then I saw Darius Darius Miles. Yeah, And once I
Speaker 1: saw that, I knew it was nothing anybody could tell me.
Speaker 1: I had seen. I had seen the future, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So I say those those those are
Speaker 1: the three guys, you know, KG, l O H and D. Mouse.
Speaker 1: When when I saw the Mouse, yeah, D Mouse, bro
Speaker 1: D Miles, I saw hello. I was I was one
Speaker 1: of those crazy weird kids with college basketball. I watched
Speaker 1: Llo at Rhode Island and and then with the Miles
Speaker 1: um it was the two thousand McDonald's All American game.
Speaker 1: I had never seen anything like that. I mean he
Speaker 1: was getting the rebounding and beating the guards down the
Speaker 1: court and just dunking and hanging all rom swinging off.
Speaker 1: I mean, me and my homies, we we wanted to
Speaker 1: be exactly exactly like that, so you know, and they
Speaker 1: had the appeal to him and him and q Rich
Speaker 1: out there the knuckleheads, I mean, come on, still going now,
Speaker 1: you know, just uh boys, Shout out to the knuckleheads,
Speaker 1: Shout out to the nut Yeah, those are the main influences, man.
Speaker 1: People miss Deep Miles Man. Knee injuries definitely cut him
Speaker 1: down short man in his back, but he was a
Speaker 1: motherfucker boy when he was young out there running in
Speaker 1: l A. We had like game game. It wasn't just
Speaker 1: the Duncan d Mouse had the whole package. Man, Yes, sir,
Speaker 1: two thousand eight Team USA. Let's talk about that experience.
Speaker 1: And did that time in two thousand and eight with
Speaker 1: the USA team did that create the talk for the
Speaker 1: big three in Miami? It actually didn't. Man. A lot
Speaker 1: of people asked that. I mean, I can't speak for
Speaker 1: Lebron indeed, um, but for me not not not really.
Speaker 1: I mean I was still my focus was on playing
Speaker 1: UM and really hanging out with the guys, and I
Speaker 1: always wanted to be like them. I wanted to be
Speaker 1: seen in the same light, you know, mellow uh d,
Speaker 1: Wade and bron I mean they they had the the
Speaker 1: things that I wanted. They had the endorsement deals, they
Speaker 1: had them, you know, the regular season success, the playoffs success.
Speaker 1: I was able, you know, to to still um be
Speaker 1: an All Star and all that stuff. But I was
Speaker 1: always trying to be on that level, you know. So
Speaker 1: being in that situation, I just wanted to play, you
Speaker 1: know what. I wanted to be out on the court,
Speaker 1: um so. And and to be honest with you, ill,
Speaker 1: wasn't that social when I was that age. I one
Speaker 1: thing I wish I would have done more of make
Speaker 1: more of an effort h to be one of the fellas.
Speaker 1: You know. I think I tried pretty decently, but just
Speaker 1: talking back and forth, enjoying the time, or you know,
Speaker 1: um I was at the car games, but sometime I
Speaker 1: was just a fly on the wall, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I wish I would have talked a little
Speaker 1: more and just picked their brain and just be a
Speaker 1: part of the conversation a little more. But um, you
Speaker 1: know what that said. They they might have had conversations.
Speaker 1: I did not. So now fast forward, you know to
Speaker 1: seasons two summers later. Uh, you know you're you have
Speaker 1: an opportunity to, uh, you know, make a tough decision
Speaker 1: whether or not to leave Toronto. UM, walk us through
Speaker 1: the process. Obviously you didn't have a big announcement in
Speaker 1: an interview as as as as your brother Bron did.
Speaker 1: But what was your thought process on, Man, do I
Speaker 1: want to stay loyal to the place that drafted me
Speaker 1: or do I want to go in in Miami? Man,
Speaker 1: I wanted to stay loyal, I really did. UM. But
Speaker 1: with that prior statement, Uh, I wanted to be like
Speaker 1: those guys. I mean d Wade had quick success. I
Speaker 1: mean just seeing how quickly they wanted I mean it
Speaker 1: was three years after we got drafted and it and
Speaker 1: it was in Dallas. I was in Dallas just watching
Speaker 1: the TV, like what the hell, bro? We didn't even
Speaker 1: make the playoffs. We weren't even close, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And it made UM, it made me want
Speaker 1: to work harder. UM, and through that hard work, it
Speaker 1: just we just didn't have I didn't have the success
Speaker 1: we wanted to. I mean we were in uh, we
Speaker 1: were in a position where I was in a position
Speaker 1: in Toronto. Of course I wanted to win right away,
Speaker 1: but the kind of twenty ten free agency situation kind
Speaker 1: of made it to where I know I can play
Speaker 1: in the States and win now and have a or
Speaker 1: have a chance at winning now. And that was like
Speaker 1: the main important thing. I mean, you know, Michael Jordan
Speaker 1: and Kobe Bryant, where are here eurods? Man? You know
Speaker 1: that's that's eleven rings. You know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: I don't I don't have none. I've been playing for
Speaker 1: seven years. I'm behind, you know. So. Um, and I
Speaker 1: talked to I talked to a lot of O. G
Speaker 1: s as well, and the main thing that I got
Speaker 1: was guys saying, no matter what, you want to play
Speaker 1: on that stage. You know you want to play on
Speaker 1: the big stage. That's what you want to do. And
Speaker 1: that just stuck with me. So that was that was
Speaker 1: always in my intent and the decision I made. And
Speaker 1: and don't get me wrong, Toronto made it tough on me.
Speaker 1: I mean that was that was home. All my friends
Speaker 1: were there. I loved it there. Um, I could shoot
Speaker 1: it whenever I wanted to. But you know, those uh,
Speaker 1: I wanted to win, man. I'm I've always been a
Speaker 1: competitor and winning. Winning has always been first and foremost,
Speaker 1: and that's what I wanted to do. What's how was
Speaker 1: it getting recruited by pat Riley? Did he call you
Speaker 1: and uh, I just text you a picture all the
Speaker 1: rings and say what you want to do? Found, I
Speaker 1: got all these rings. I can show you how to
Speaker 1: get one. Come on over. Yeah, he except he showed
Speaker 1: it to me right then, right there, because we had
Speaker 1: all that means in Chicago. So, I mean, it was
Speaker 1: it was crazy just talking to packers, Pat. You know
Speaker 1: how you know people have an aura. Pat has an aura.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Pat has an aura and
Speaker 1: the mother boss you know what I mean? He come in, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you just stand up at straight, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: You know it's sir, it's sir right, Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: he just carres my grandfather pressure. Yeah, you know, he's
Speaker 1: one of the greatest, but he is. And like to
Speaker 1: see him telling, you know, having a message to you
Speaker 1: to win a championship and to have pat Riley tell you, yo,
Speaker 1: this is what it's about. I mean, my dad, my
Speaker 1: dad when with me to the meeting, he was fanning
Speaker 1: out before and I'm like, yo, right, you know what
Speaker 1: Riley man. You know, my dad watched my dad, you know,
Speaker 1: he was growing up in the eighties and had me
Speaker 1: in the eighties, so like you know that showtime all that,
Speaker 1: you know, and um and then even in early nineties
Speaker 1: with the Nicks, so you know, just just uh, just
Speaker 1: the thing that Pat brings is uh is that championship
Speaker 1: aura And you can see it, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: you see it and then he starts talking to you,
Speaker 1: and then like you know, it's always a good point,
Speaker 1: you know, So I just uh, you know, I just
Speaker 1: enjoyed it. Really. I wish I wish we would have
Speaker 1: taken it, but it's uh, it's in here somewhere, right.
Speaker 1: How challenging was it for you? Because similar to KG
Speaker 1: when they got their Big three, he was of one
Speaker 1: that kind of stepped back the most and sacrifice to
Speaker 1: make sure everything went in. From the outside looking in,
Speaker 1: it looks like you were the superstar that sacrificed the
Speaker 1: most for Braun and d Wait. So how challenging it
Speaker 1: wasn't for you mentally to kind of find all right,
Speaker 1: I'm here with this team, We're gonna win. But to
Speaker 1: find your footing in your identity with the Heat team, Man,
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie to you, man. It was difficult.
Speaker 1: It wasn't. Uh, it wasn't. I thought it was gonna
Speaker 1: be a lot easier. I thought it was just gonna
Speaker 1: be one of those things where we just go out
Speaker 1: there and play and things are gonna happen. But basketball
Speaker 1: doesn't work like that. Um. And you know, just just
Speaker 1: as far as like my what I brought to the
Speaker 1: table was concerned was different those two guys. I mean,
Speaker 1: the things they could do, I knew right away, like, okay,
Speaker 1: I can't do that. You know, do you get the
Speaker 1: euro stepping going two hundred miles an hour? And then Brian,
Speaker 1: I mean, I you know, I watched him like, you know,
Speaker 1: get the block, get the rebound, kick it up, beat
Speaker 1: everybody down the floor, and catch catch a lot with
Speaker 1: his head at the rim. I can't. I can't do that.
Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna try to do that, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Um, you know what I mean. I'm
Speaker 1: a little different, But in that situation, I knew where
Speaker 1: I could function, and you know, just in that dynamic
Speaker 1: of that team, UM, it wasn't necessary um as much.
Speaker 1: So I had to learn to play the game a
Speaker 1: different way. Which was totally fine, but I had to
Speaker 1: I had to learn how to play more of a
Speaker 1: team concept. The toughest thing was really the social everybody
Speaker 1: on the outside looking in, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, the jokes, the mockery, all the stuff that
Speaker 1: comes with it. I didn't really see that coming. And
Speaker 1: so usually to defend yourself on the court, in my instance,
Speaker 1: was if somebody's talking on the sideline, all right, cool,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna like you up for thirty you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And in this situation, I really couldn't do that.
Speaker 1: You know. It was just a different dynamic. But it
Speaker 1: made us pour, uh poor ourselves more into the team.
Speaker 1: And you know, I found so many different as fastests
Speaker 1: of basketball that you know, I'm so glad that I
Speaker 1: picked up and got to experience and it worked. You know,
Speaker 1: we want a couple. We got to compete for four
Speaker 1: years and you know, I can't take anything away from that.
Speaker 1: It was a hell of a ride. I mean, d
Speaker 1: Wade obviously they appreciated. D Wade made a quote that
Speaker 1: he was the piece that me and Lebron needed to
Speaker 1: make everything work. So obviously they knew, Uh, you were
Speaker 1: the one that kind of kept everything moving, but that
Speaker 1: you know, entailed a huge step back from what's something
Speaker 1: you're accustomed to do. The one thing you said before
Speaker 1: in Toronto, shoot that bitch whenever I wanted to, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Once you get to Miami, it's
Speaker 1: a little different and kind of find your spots. And
Speaker 1: then one thing you're able to do was really consistently,
Speaker 1: you know, stretch your range out. And I think when
Speaker 1: you started doing that consistently, that's when you kind of
Speaker 1: found your inside because no one could get to deal
Speaker 1: with you on that admit that that turn and go.
Speaker 1: But then when you were able to step back and
Speaker 1: start playing more on the perimeter to and open up
Speaker 1: the court more for the team. That's what, like I said,
Speaker 1: as an opponent and outside looking in, that's to me,
Speaker 1: that's looks like when you kind of found your rhythm
Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, I wish I wish I would
Speaker 1: have done that earlier. I wish I would have went ahead,
Speaker 1: as you know, the blueprint was there, but I wish
Speaker 1: I would have went ahead and changed that next year.
Speaker 1: That first year, all right, I'm playing behind the three
Speaker 1: point line because one that's where the game was going. Anyway,
Speaker 1: you know, guys like Dirt pretty much established it and said, Okay,
Speaker 1: you know it's out there. It hasn't like you haven't
Speaker 1: seen it before. It's just that I don't know. I
Speaker 1: just was too scared to take the leap, and I
Speaker 1: think the whole team was scared to take the leap.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I should have. Yeah, I think if I
Speaker 1: would have stretched out, you know, to the three point
Speaker 1: line along sooner. I think I even was too late,
Speaker 1: because I still watch film to this day. I always
Speaker 1: watched our series against the Spurs, and I'm just looking.
Speaker 1: I said, Man, all I had to do is saying
Speaker 1: behind standard the corner three, just to make it a
Speaker 1: little I mean, goddamn, it's Tim Duncan you know he
Speaker 1: has probably you know, he's got a lot of block shots,
Speaker 1: you know about top three, you know, and ever, you know,
Speaker 1: if I would have made it a little tough one
Speaker 1: him just stepping behind that three point line of being
Speaker 1: a threat there and make them kind of make an adjustment.
Speaker 1: They never had to really make it a defensive adjustment
Speaker 1: on us, not a lot, make him close out, make
Speaker 1: him clothes. I would have been a problem. And then
Speaker 1: you know, with the rules, you can't know hand checking
Speaker 1: no this, no that, and then you know you can. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so that's one thing I wish I would have done,
Speaker 1: was just make that, make take that one and a
Speaker 1: half step back, you know, steps back a little earlier,
Speaker 1: and start functioning there. But you know it's still went well.
Speaker 1: You know, I have no complaints. So to start that season,
Speaker 1: obviously so much hype, there's a big parade everything. You
Speaker 1: guys are crowned. You guys want to win a hundred
Speaker 1: and eighty seven championships in a row. You guys start
Speaker 1: the season off. You gotta start the season off at
Speaker 1: nine and eight. And man like you said that, outside media,
Speaker 1: the fans, the heckling. When was there a pot the
Speaker 1: moment that season you felt you guys kind of came together,
Speaker 1: had a meeting, or found your footing through a particular game.
Speaker 1: What what made you guys turn the corner that season?
Speaker 1: So it was that week, uh we lost to the Mavericks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that when we were nine and eight. That eighth loss
Speaker 1: was to the Mavericks. We had just lost the night before,
Speaker 1: I believe if I remember correctly in New Orleans, and
Speaker 1: I remember d coming in and just like you know,
Speaker 1: having one of the moments he he blows up at
Speaker 1: the team, but it was like it was one of
Speaker 1: the most positive rants I've ever seen, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. He was he was like, Man, this bullshit.
Speaker 1: We gotta start talking to each other. Man, my name
Speaker 1: is d Wade, I got two kids. You know, He's
Speaker 1: just was going off. But it was that and then
Speaker 1: I can't remember if we um went on if that
Speaker 1: was in the middle of a road trip or we
Speaker 1: went to I remember being in Chicago and I got
Speaker 1: hurt and we had our first game West Coast road trip.
Speaker 1: I think that West Coast road trip was when the
Speaker 1: group really really started jelling, because that's when d Wade
Speaker 1: and Brian I don't know what the hell they were
Speaker 1: talking to each other about, but that's when they start
Speaker 1: doing that full court steal and all that. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And I remember being I didn't
Speaker 1: go on that trip. I was hurt, and I watched
Speaker 1: that and just being able to take a step back
Speaker 1: and see that, you know, it kind of really helped
Speaker 1: me and say, Okay, all right, when I come back,
Speaker 1: this is what we're gonna do, this is how I'm
Speaker 1: gonna fit in. And things started to pick up. After that,
Speaker 1: we still we still hit uh, hit some blocks, some roadbumps,
Speaker 1: But um, I think that's kind of when we found
Speaker 1: our identity as a team. And then really after that,
Speaker 1: it was really just about winning and losing playing our style,
Speaker 1: you know, lose winning like a man ship, losing like
Speaker 1: a man. Um. All those things had to had to
Speaker 1: kind of help us jail as a team throughout the
Speaker 1: rest of that season. Losing to the Maps in two
Speaker 1: thousand eleven finals. What was the biggest lesson that y'all
Speaker 1: took from that, man, that's the good biggest lesson. Don't
Speaker 1: count your eggs before they hatch. I guess, um kind
Speaker 1: of one. The one thing I learned for sure was
Speaker 1: don't watch TV bro. I thought we had it. I
Speaker 1: thought we went up to one. I was like, yes, sir,
Speaker 1: you know, but it didn't happen. And I think as
Speaker 1: a team, just just having that toughness, understanding that they're
Speaker 1: they're a great team too, and and it's gonna be
Speaker 1: runs and stuff. I think we hung our heads way
Speaker 1: too much. Um, we weren't alert. Um. It was some
Speaker 1: simple things that they did, you know, just those team
Speaker 1: building kinds steps, the small things like make calling that
Speaker 1: switch under five seconds shot clock. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: that's when they that that last four or let the
Speaker 1: last three and a half seconds to where you know,
Speaker 1: you'll see the good teams continue to make the next
Speaker 1: play and make the next clothes out and they're gonna
Speaker 1: keep making the right pass. You know. Yeah, they had
Speaker 1: to trust. Psychologically, we weren't prepared for that, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Um, we let guys get off and
Speaker 1: and we let that, you know, kind of damage our psyche.
Speaker 1: I think after that we understood, like you know, it's
Speaker 1: a it's a game of runs. They might have a run,
Speaker 1: we might have a run. Let's keep playing, Let's go
Speaker 1: on to the next play, Let's get a stop, let's
Speaker 1: get a bucket. We need to do that, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, those intangibles. We got way way better
Speaker 1: at that. It was a huge lesson learned. So two
Speaker 1: thousand thirty or twelve and thirteen, you guys go back
Speaker 1: to back in two thousand and twelve, were injured in
Speaker 1: the playoffs, and you come back during the bronze Game
Speaker 1: six when you guys are down three to the Boston
Speaker 1: what do you remember about that night? All. I remember.
Speaker 1: I remember a lot. It was a terrible smelling locker room.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys, yes, look I'm a
Speaker 1: TV guarden, y'all. Come on, now, they share with they
Speaker 1: share with the hockey players. I'm telling you, man, we
Speaker 1: all we knew it that day. It was no questions
Speaker 1: like it was in here last night. That's what it
Speaker 1: smelled like. Bro, you know, oh my god, I just
Speaker 1: remember kind of it all came down to that, but
Speaker 1: just kind of loopen to what I was saying earlier.
Speaker 1: With the Mavericks, we just we just said, hey, we
Speaker 1: didn't panic. We let's win. Let's win this game. We
Speaker 1: need to. We're gonna win this game by doing these things.
Speaker 1: Of Course, you can't hang your hat and hope that
Speaker 1: Brian has you know, forty five points in three quarters,
Speaker 1: you know, but it kind of nice to happen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's nice to have it. It just happened. You know.
Speaker 1: I was I was hurt, you know, I was hurt
Speaker 1: more than people know. Um, So I was just concentrating
Speaker 1: on what I can't even do today, you know, I was.
Speaker 1: I was playing with a lot of pain, and so
Speaker 1: I just wanted to do something. You know, um so
Speaker 1: about man about midway about right. I want to say,
Speaker 1: at the ten nine ten minute market in the second quarter,
Speaker 1: that's when I kind of realized, like, damn, Brian hadn't missed,
Speaker 1: He hadn't missed. Okay, damn everything he throwing is going up.
Speaker 1: That made it easier on us, because all we needed
Speaker 1: to do is get a stop, you know, so it
Speaker 1: motivated us more on the defensive end. We get the
Speaker 1: ball to Brin he is pretty much I don't know
Speaker 1: where where he's at, but we need to keep him there.
Speaker 1: And you know, the next thing we know, it's like, man,
Speaker 1: it's three minutes left. We up twenty eight points. Damn man,
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're going back home. Hell yeah, we survived it.
Speaker 1: And then, you know, I just remember how focused Brian was.
Speaker 1: He was. He was not nervous, you know. If he was,
Speaker 1: he didn't let on to be. We were. We were
Speaker 1: getting loose in the back, um about to you know,
Speaker 1: run out there for warm ups, and you know how
Speaker 1: it is, it's pretty much you have a quiet conversation.
Speaker 1: There's nothing to talk about with the coach. We watched
Speaker 1: the films, you watch the clips. We go out there,
Speaker 1: everybody's getting you know, kind of focused, and I just
Speaker 1: remember him kind of looking up saying, damn, David Sterring
Speaker 1: here today. Huh. We're like, yeah, he's here, and they
Speaker 1: brought the trophy. They brought the trophy here today too. Huh.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I suppose the trophy is here. And
Speaker 1: then he's like, all right, cool, let's go out there
Speaker 1: and do it. And that was it. Yeah, so you
Speaker 1: get past them, you guys beat young up and coming
Speaker 1: case in five. What was it like to finally get
Speaker 1: to the top of that mountain? Man, it was a relief,
Speaker 1: I want to say that was Yeah, that was a relief.
Speaker 1: We knew we were gonna do it. It was kind
Speaker 1: of an unorthodox road. It never happens the way you
Speaker 1: wanted to happen. But you know, just getting over that mountaintop,
Speaker 1: having that feeling and being in Miami, I mean, it
Speaker 1: was a dream come true, to be honest with you, Um,
Speaker 1: it was. It was a great feeling. And it goes
Speaker 1: by so fast. It goes by so fast. Man, It's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: you have all these dreams, it's gonna be like this
Speaker 1: when in the locker room. And then yeah, at the parade.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this this It's just like you blink
Speaker 1: three times and then it's time to go because you
Speaker 1: got you need to get on vacation now because training
Speaker 1: camp is in nine weeks, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So we just uh, I know, for me, it was
Speaker 1: you know, words can't even describe it. You know, just
Speaker 1: uh just seeing how much the city, um, where you're
Speaker 1: living and where you're competing, how much the city gets
Speaker 1: into it. You know, a lot of people unless you've
Speaker 1: experienced it, you you can't even understand. But the whole
Speaker 1: the whole city is in it. You know, you feel
Speaker 1: a loss if you win it. I mean everybody's happy,
Speaker 1: you know. So just to just to kind of share
Speaker 1: that with the friends, to bring that to Miami, um,
Speaker 1: you know, to do that uh with some guys I
Speaker 1: consider brothers and friends. Uh, it was. It was super special.
Speaker 1: The first one, second one was just like a relief.
Speaker 1: It was more just like, dude, you know, you understand
Speaker 1: how even more how hard it is to win. It's
Speaker 1: harder to defend it. I mean, planning a series like
Speaker 1: that was just mentally, spiritually, physically exhausting. You know, I
Speaker 1: didn't want to I didn't want to play basketball anymore.
Speaker 1: That was like, that was the first time basketball was fun. Oh,
Speaker 1: I mean it wasn't fun while I was playing. It's
Speaker 1: like I'm getting ready for Game six, and I mean
Speaker 1: the knots in my stomach are just you know, you're
Speaker 1: fighting some nervousness because it's all on the line, you know,
Speaker 1: so um we've on the way to pull things out.
Speaker 1: But those uh, those uh, those times were real special, man.
Speaker 1: Well between you know, obviously in in thirteen, you guys played,
Speaker 1: you know, Tim duncan Man and Tony Um a huge
Speaker 1: game six and someone asked you what was one of
Speaker 1: your favorite moments at one point, and it was you
Speaker 1: said it was the rebound you grabbed in the kick
Speaker 1: out to Ray. Yeah, that's crazy. I mean there's many
Speaker 1: points they cut me, Matt, Matt, they cut me. Matt,
Speaker 1: sur cut me. I would have boxed Chris's ass out
Speaker 1: and got that rebound. Man, they ket me. I thought
Speaker 1: to be in that series. That was that was a
Speaker 1: held of a series. I wanted to be in that.
Speaker 1: Damn you Pop. I'm still mad about that. I'm still
Speaker 1: mad about that. Dog. Hey, real quick, I remember because
Speaker 1: we were we had just played New Orleans and we
Speaker 1: were leaving New Orleans. We were on the bus and
Speaker 1: you would call me like, yo, I just gotta pop
Speaker 1: cut me da da da. They're bringing in t macadda
Speaker 1: da and then just go to then and even remember
Speaker 1: that being that year. Bro, Damn, that's crazy. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know what's funny, Yostack. Me and my guy, Me
Speaker 1: and Shane, we we always talked about it, and we
Speaker 1: really we you know, we've watched the play a lot,
Speaker 1: you know how you know Shane, he don't get hit. Boy.
Speaker 1: That's like his best move is a box out, you guys, Yeah,
Speaker 1: box out, That's my best move. He told me, he said,
Speaker 1: off of that one, I would have I would have
Speaker 1: cracked your ribs, bro, because you know I watched the
Speaker 1: flight of the ball and man New was the bottom guy.
Speaker 1: You know, it's one of those boxes out where the
Speaker 1: big is going like this, Oh this was open, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So he could have he could
Speaker 1: have he could have took me out, you know. For NBA.
Speaker 1: He was like, Yeah, for NBA Championship, I would have
Speaker 1: gladly done it. Cleaned your grass out was easy. I
Speaker 1: would have just been at the hospital and and and
Speaker 1: we would have lost. You know, you know that's how
Speaker 1: shan't play. Shane was just shan't did anything to win
Speaker 1: the game. He wasn't. He just played by the rules.
Speaker 1: If I could slide upon you last minute, I get
Speaker 1: a charge, that's not on me, it's the room. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was like, oh yeah, I would have put my
Speaker 1: hip right there and that would have killed. But you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was that. That play just kind of really just
Speaker 1: happened fast. Um, I'm glad it happened the way it did.
Speaker 1: And I mean still even after that, we had to execute,
Speaker 1: we had to you know, play overtime, another overtime, we
Speaker 1: had to play with five arders. You had to play
Speaker 1: overtime in another game, so then you got But also
Speaker 1: the big block in that that was just like it
Speaker 1: was the small things you did in that game. You know,
Speaker 1: obviously you played well, but it was two It was
Speaker 1: a rebound in the block shot that you know, secured
Speaker 1: the win. And then obviously, you know game seven is
Speaker 1: a classic and it's going back to back and you know,
Speaker 1: you guys get the championship. But it's so small things
Speaker 1: that people don't think about to realize and for you
Speaker 1: to accomplish everything you've accomplished in career and say that
Speaker 1: the offensive rebounding to kick out to a teammate was
Speaker 1: you're one of your favorite players in your career. That
Speaker 1: It really says a lot, man, for sure. And I
Speaker 1: didn't score in game seven. I tell people that all
Speaker 1: the time. You wanna know something even funnier? Me or
Speaker 1: Ray didn't score in game seven. That's a fun fact
Speaker 1: for you. Really that was I don't want to know.
Speaker 1: It wasn't his last bucket, but he scored a couple
Speaker 1: in overtime, I believe. But yeah, we did not score
Speaker 1: one bucket in game seven. Zero points between me and
Speaker 1: Ray in game seven. Man, So you look back at
Speaker 1: it when it's all set and done, it's four finals
Speaker 1: appearances in two years, two titles. What do you take
Speaker 1: away most? Obviously the championships are important, But what do
Speaker 1: you take away most from this? You know, you leave Toronto?
Speaker 1: Are you leave Toronto and have this four year run
Speaker 1: that's gonna go down to the history bucks man? I think? Um,
Speaker 1: I think overall, I'm just happy that I was able
Speaker 1: to kind of roll with the punches in a sense.
Speaker 1: Things worked out, um, but not in a way that
Speaker 1: I thought they would. I always thought if we were
Speaker 1: gonna be winning an NBA championship, I'd be like MJ,
Speaker 1: you know, holding up the Finals trophy. You know. Um,
Speaker 1: but you you realize how how much it takes to
Speaker 1: do something like that, I think, man, I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: just proud of the way how many times I was
Speaker 1: able to transform. I was able to try to carry
Speaker 1: a franchise. Most people don't even get those opportunities, you know,
Speaker 1: So just to have the opportunity and try, um to
Speaker 1: to be able to participate. I mean in damn there
Speaker 1: every NBA sanctioned event like the league. Boy, I don't
Speaker 1: know how many stones I left unturned, you know, NBA
Speaker 1: growing up, man, So just to be able to continue
Speaker 1: to participate in it. But as a player, um, to
Speaker 1: do all those things and uh to be successful, um,
Speaker 1: you know with my friends, it was amazed. And and
Speaker 1: to really get to know people at great organizations, both
Speaker 1: in Toronto and in Miami. Um, you know, with Toronto
Speaker 1: winning last year. Uh, I have man equipment, guys. I
Speaker 1: went to a couple of finals games. We was having
Speaker 1: we was kicking back, having some bruise before the game.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean in the same spot, you know,
Speaker 1: just being able to be proud of those guys and
Speaker 1: and and for that city to have for my friends
Speaker 1: to have that experience was great. And then in Miami,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, that's such a special place to
Speaker 1: be able to knock on pat Riley's door and and
Speaker 1: have those meetings, you know, and just to be able
Speaker 1: to talk to him and talk to the guys and
Speaker 1: talk to Spoke. I mean, it was it was a
Speaker 1: special time, you know. And the further we get removed
Speaker 1: from it, man, I mean, even people in Miami, you know,
Speaker 1: they'll come up to me if they see me walking
Speaker 1: around on the street, you know, before all this stuff,
Speaker 1: they they talk about it. You know. Man, remember Bro,
Speaker 1: do you remember? You know, Um, it was so electric,
Speaker 1: It was so much fun. Those are the times I missed,
Speaker 1: you know, everybody at the games, seeing the fans at
Speaker 1: the game, especially now because we don't know what the
Speaker 1: hell I am to happened in the future, you know.
Speaker 1: So I'm just so so glad that we got to
Speaker 1: have all of those moments with the uh, with the
Speaker 1: entire city. Yeah, that's dope. Lebron decided to head back
Speaker 1: to Cleveland. Was that a shock to you in d Wade,
Speaker 1: was it talked about amongst you three? How did you
Speaker 1: find out he was decided to go back to take
Speaker 1: his talents back to Cleveland through a text. Through a text,
Speaker 1: I thought it was bis and and then you know,
Speaker 1: about ten minutes later, it's everywhere. UM, I understand it.
Speaker 1: I get it at the time. At the time, I
Speaker 1: didn't understand it. Um. At the time, in my mind,
Speaker 1: I was ready to put the team back together so
Speaker 1: we can you know, because we had just lost UM,
Speaker 1: so we wanted to put put something back together so
Speaker 1: we could win UM. And it really didn't go like that. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, I took offense to it. To be honest
Speaker 1: with you, at first, UM, I was only thinking of
Speaker 1: how I felt about it. And you know, me and
Speaker 1: Brian talked about it. But you know, I'm a competitor,
Speaker 1: and you know, to be honest with you, ship, when
Speaker 1: you go back to the locker room and Brian ain't
Speaker 1: in that chair, and then everybody's kind of looking at
Speaker 1: you for that twenty five points and looking at d
Speaker 1: for that twenty five points, you know, it's like damn man,
Speaker 1: you know, like but uh, you know, you you you
Speaker 1: realize how we really did realize how special of a
Speaker 1: player he was. But at that time I was you know,
Speaker 1: I'm super competitive. UM, I was upset. Uh. Still it's
Speaker 1: still worked out for everybody, UM, but I was upsetting.
Speaker 1: It took some time to get over it. I want
Speaker 1: to say, it took months to get over it. You know,
Speaker 1: me and uh we had to be in the same
Speaker 1: place and talk about it. Uh, you know, nothing deep,
Speaker 1: but just you know, just talk and get back to
Speaker 1: the good terms and you know, get back to where
Speaker 1: we were. And you know it's uh, I'm glad we did.
Speaker 1: And you know it was tough to deal with. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, we uh we had to get
Speaker 1: back to a mode of not rebuilding, but you uh,
Speaker 1: getting more out of ourselves and out of our team
Speaker 1: and you know, not always having that easy thing to
Speaker 1: rely on number six to do his job and you
Speaker 1: know you're gonna get twenty a Nate, and and all
Speaker 1: I gotta do is this. You know, it shuffled things up,
Speaker 1: you know, right, So now obviously Bronze gone, that's giving
Speaker 1: you the way more responsibility back on both of you
Speaker 1: guys place because I'm sure what you're accepted with open arts.
Speaker 1: But then shortly after that is when you start dealing
Speaker 1: with your health issues. Did you know how serious they
Speaker 1: were at the time initially or did they continue to progress?
Speaker 1: Talk to us about that it continued to progress and
Speaker 1: went from a problem or it's like, man, I really
Speaker 1: do feel kind of as weird when I breathe, Man,
Speaker 1: what's going on? To fully debilitated? I can't even it
Speaker 1: hurts to move, you know. And then I went to
Speaker 1: the hospital. Uh, and yeah, I was there for about
Speaker 1: two weeks. I thought I was only gonna be there
Speaker 1: about five six days. On the fifth on the fifth day,
Speaker 1: I can't remember exactly when, but on the fifth day, uh,
Speaker 1: they told me I needed surgery. They dreamed my lung
Speaker 1: and then if you ever had the lunge drain, it sucks,
Speaker 1: and so they dreamed my lung. And then I thought
Speaker 1: I was gonna go home. But then more doctors came
Speaker 1: in and told me like, yeah, we're gonna have to
Speaker 1: go in there, and you've developed these things, therefore you
Speaker 1: need surgery. And I was there for another week and
Speaker 1: a half pretty much. Um, and you know I didn't leave.
Speaker 1: You don't mind if you don't mind, explained to our
Speaker 1: viewers and our fans, what exactly had happened to you? So?
Speaker 1: I had turns out. I went to the doctor. I
Speaker 1: had to collapse long and took me to the emergency room.
Speaker 1: They performed CT scans and all these things. I had
Speaker 1: pulmonary embolisms, uh in my lung. So that's a blood
Speaker 1: cloud in your lung. And um, pretty much I went
Speaker 1: from playing an All Star game on Sunday too pretty much,
Speaker 1: I think Tuesday them telling me the next twenty four
Speaker 1: hours of critical you know. So I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: you know, I got the thing in my nose, you
Speaker 1: know so, um, and then I didn't leave that place
Speaker 1: for a couple of weeks, you know. Um. You know
Speaker 1: it put things into perspective for me. And then even
Speaker 1: after that, we still I was able to bounce back.
Speaker 1: Then again it happened again, same time and All Star weekend,
Speaker 1: and that was the last time I played, you know, so,
Speaker 1: and I didn't have any pain or anything during that time.
Speaker 1: It really was difficult, you know, rehabbing pretty much. I
Speaker 1: had not had to learn how to walk again. But
Speaker 1: the most I could do was walk down the hall
Speaker 1: and back, and then I have to get in bed.
Speaker 1: For another twenty hours, you know. Um, you know, Um,
Speaker 1: the hardest part the second time was just me trying
Speaker 1: to do the right thing and saying, oh, man, I
Speaker 1: feel this or I feel it in my calf. Man,
Speaker 1: let me just make sure I go. Let me just
Speaker 1: get checked out, just just so they could tell me
Speaker 1: I'm good. And then I didn't play basketball after that.
Speaker 1: So and it was tough because I was in good shape.
Speaker 1: I mean, me and Pat we talked about it. We
Speaker 1: had man, we had a squad. Man. I felt not
Speaker 1: to say that we were gonna win it all, but
Speaker 1: we could have competed still still still too Hall of Famers,
Speaker 1: being as competitive, being as competitive as you were, How
Speaker 1: hard was it coming to the realization understanding that, you know,
Speaker 1: thirty thirty one, you still got another eight the way
Speaker 1: you played probably ten years later your career and you
Speaker 1: had you had to decide like, like this health is
Speaker 1: really gonna remove me from the game. Like how did
Speaker 1: you come to grips with that? Tim? That's really it?
Speaker 1: Just time And uh, I was so mad and frustrated. Um,
Speaker 1: all those guys that we were talking about earlier, I
Speaker 1: wanted to be like them, you know, in that thing
Speaker 1: and in those guys thirteen year career, it's kind of
Speaker 1: like the bottom tier. You know. I wanted to I
Speaker 1: wanted to establish myself in the record books. I wanted
Speaker 1: to establish myself without Bron To be honest with you,
Speaker 1: we wanted to win without him. To be honest, it's
Speaker 1: like he you know, not he wanted to win without us.
Speaker 1: But I think it's something to say, you know, Shock
Speaker 1: one without Kobe, Kobe one without Shock. You know. Um,
Speaker 1: I wanted to put myself in that category and on
Speaker 1: that pedestal. And uh, I wanted to help d get
Speaker 1: back to that status as well. And I mean we man,
Speaker 1: we had a really I really felt really good about
Speaker 1: our team. We were like in second and third place.
Speaker 1: We we had a round all start break. We said, okay,
Speaker 1: we do We played our cards right, we do were
Speaker 1: suppos to do. We could get it at number two
Speaker 1: seed ship if we get to the Eastern Conference finals. Hey,
Speaker 1: you know, let's let's let's play some ball. I'm not
Speaker 1: worried about it at all, you know. So we were
Speaker 1: very very confident. Um, it just wasn't to be. But
Speaker 1: I eventually just came to the realization that what else
Speaker 1: do you want you know, don't be greedy. You did everything,
Speaker 1: bro Um. I was talking to me and my man,
Speaker 1: Maverick Carter. We're just talking and I, you know, I said, man,
Speaker 1: it didn't happen the way it was supposed to happen.
Speaker 1: He said, it never happens the way it was supposed
Speaker 1: to happen. And when he said that, I was like, oh, damn,
Speaker 1: you're right, and it kind of put me in the
Speaker 1: mode to where I have to figure something else out
Speaker 1: because you know, heaven forbid if something happened while I'm
Speaker 1: on the court, which has been plenty of times. You know,
Speaker 1: I feel like I got away with enough because people
Speaker 1: have died for way less. You know, Once you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, I was like, right, cool, I should
Speaker 1: be here because usually the people that have the thing
Speaker 1: that I have, you know what I'm saying, they're not
Speaker 1: here anymore. So I kind of took that to heart
Speaker 1: and just you know, just really moved on, got it
Speaker 1: out my system, and just moved on. Was it a
Speaker 1: difficult transition with with all that being said? Known, you
Speaker 1: still had a lot in the tank while you're so
Speaker 1: you're thirty two years old, now thirty one years old, Um,
Speaker 1: what was that transition like just to go in you know,
Speaker 1: now you're in the house every day with your family
Speaker 1: and it's just you're watching your friends continue to move forward.
Speaker 1: Was there a mental block there or mental frustration or
Speaker 1: anything you went through having to watch that, So that
Speaker 1: kind of I knew I wasn't gonna play after that. Um.
Speaker 1: And then you know, d got traded back to Miami
Speaker 1: later that year, and I was so happy for him,
Speaker 1: but I was so hurt at the same time, you know,
Speaker 1: just just you know, him being able to get that chance, um,
Speaker 1: to to go back and have those moments. You know, Uh,
Speaker 1: I felt I deserved them, but I wasn't getting them.
Speaker 1: And it is what it is. You know, a very
Speaker 1: small percentage of guys in the league get that. You know,
Speaker 1: you realize how special that is. And then really, um,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, I gotta get credit to my family. Man,
Speaker 1: they held me together. We we had just had our twins. Um,
Speaker 1: they were super young. Um, they needed me. My wife
Speaker 1: needed me to kind of focus on the family. UM.
Speaker 1: You know, I had a lot of things I had
Speaker 1: to clean up from from things in the past, you know,
Speaker 1: so you know, you don't know that, but when you're
Speaker 1: done playing. You guys know, you got a lot of stuff,
Speaker 1: a lot of free time. You don't you don't realize
Speaker 1: how much time. You don't realize how much time basketball
Speaker 1: takes until you're not doing it no more. And in
Speaker 1: the summertime, when you know we're working out two or
Speaker 1: three times a day and were such creatures a habit,
Speaker 1: we don't realize what avoid that field when we remove ourselves.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you think about it, we play our
Speaker 1: seasons eight or nine months if you're lucky. If you're lucky,
Speaker 1: then you take three or four months off then you
Speaker 1: start training. So we're really on eleven out of twelve
Speaker 1: months a year. We're on. Yeah, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: it's just not there and them, it's just like, holy
Speaker 1: sh it, I got a whole life early thirties, you
Speaker 1: got a whole life that in front of you still.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, am I am I? And you know, my
Speaker 1: babies were babies. You know, I had babies. We had babies,
Speaker 1: you know, and that was that was a challenge, um,
Speaker 1: and especially for me, I realized how much my wife
Speaker 1: did you know, Like I remember one morning coming downstairs
Speaker 1: and all the kids are playing and I'm just like, Damn,
Speaker 1: they're loud. They're so loud. I looked at my wife
Speaker 1: and they always just last you know, every day. IM
Speaker 1: usually taking me, Yeah, I'm usually playing my you know,
Speaker 1: taking my pregame nap and she gets them into the
Speaker 1: into the playroom so they could make noise there. And
Speaker 1: you know, those things, uh took some getting used to.
Speaker 1: But I like to say, I hope hopefully I fell
Speaker 1: into the role of dad pretty good now and and
Speaker 1: I've got a pretty good sense, uh since for what
Speaker 1: I'm doing. But like at first, um, it was a
Speaker 1: challenge kind of readjusting everything and at the same time,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out what the hell I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do with the rest of my life, you know, and
Speaker 1: and what kind of uh, what kind of message I'm
Speaker 1: gonna leave and all that stuff. I mean, I never
Speaker 1: saw myself not playing basketball at thirty two, you know.
Speaker 1: I wanted to play at least until thirty six. I
Speaker 1: just turned thirty six, you know, so it's like, damn,
Speaker 1: all right, well I'm in this position. I just have to,
Speaker 1: you know, learn how to how to be a civilian
Speaker 1: and figure this thing out. M M. It's a lot
Speaker 1: different um thoughts thoughts on the twenty twenty Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame class Rest in Peace, Star Brother, Code, KG and Duncan. Guys,
Speaker 1: you had battles with thoughts on that class. I got
Speaker 1: to say, amazing class. I wanted to be a part
Speaker 1: of it. I know, you know, people were like, oh,
Speaker 1: I agree, but look, let me tell you something. I
Speaker 1: wanted to be a part of it. That's all I say. But, um,
Speaker 1: you know, one of the best classes ever. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, I hate that Code isn't here to to
Speaker 1: be able to experience that and for us to experience
Speaker 1: his presence. I mean I got to go to the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame induction for Ray and just to see
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a special thing just to see all
Speaker 1: the greats, you know, show up. It was like the
Speaker 1: Basketball Avengers every year. You know what I'm saying. You
Speaker 1: see like Damn Bill Rugs, Bill Bill in this Joane.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean with it? Back? You know,
Speaker 1: everybody's there and and I know for sure it's still
Speaker 1: will happen. But um, there's just the amount of people
Speaker 1: that those guys inspired and and and and how they
Speaker 1: I think if you take those three guys the way
Speaker 1: they change the game. Um, for guys in my generation. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, it was, it was, it was really really amazing.
Speaker 1: So I mean, I'm I'm you know, unored for those guys.
Speaker 1: I'm very happy for him. I hate that Kobe's not here.
Speaker 1: It will kind of be a dark cloud over it.
Speaker 1: But still we should we should appreciate those, uh, those
Speaker 1: guys accomplishments. Nonetheless, it's a lot of that's a lot
Speaker 1: of it's a lot of hardware in that in that
Speaker 1: in that uh, in that group right there, And that's
Speaker 1: just the individual hardware. We can get to the team
Speaker 1: stuff later. Just the individual hardware. You know, it's uh,
Speaker 1: it's amazing. Yeah, all right, man, we're almost done here.
Speaker 1: We got quick hitters. Um, you're starting five lineup from
Speaker 1: port former teammates. Yeah, you're all time starting lineup. You
Speaker 1: can include yourself, you can come off the bench however
Speaker 1: you want the slice, I hopefully you know gotta have
Speaker 1: you gotta have a three in there. You already know, yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta have the three. Um man, you know what,
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, about to just go with
Speaker 1: the five that we had not with like teammates on
Speaker 1: the quarter, teammates like just great teammates. No, don't just
Speaker 1: people you played with period, anyone from Toronto, anyone from Braun.
Speaker 1: You gotta play a game. We gotta play a game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta battle somebody. Gotta battle somebody yet, Big three,
Speaker 1: Vince for sure, and uh, you know, if we're playing
Speaker 1: the day, I suppose I played the five, give me
Speaker 1: Shane for that, for that to be that glue. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. We need that glue. So so
Speaker 1: you bron d Wade, Vince and Shane. Yeah, solid five.
Speaker 1: Jack skipped the next one and go to the artist
Speaker 1: because he already top five? Are they of all time? Oh? Boy? Artists? Artists?
Speaker 1: I mean, you know you gotta put uh you know,
Speaker 1: you gotta put Mike and Prince in there for sure. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put I'm gonna put baby Face in there too.
Speaker 1: And and he's more than just an artist. I mean
Speaker 1: he's he's an artist too, but he's a monstrous songwriting
Speaker 1: I mean I want Grammy party. Yeah, dude, this bro,
Speaker 1: he got like a hunting Grammys or something crazy. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're definitely gonna go go ahead, Teddy, you get your
Speaker 1: connection ready and I'll sing to the ladies. I'll sing
Speaker 1: to the ladies, Teddy bro. I'm I'm gonna have to
Speaker 1: go with Jay z Uh because he's elongated wrap. Nobody
Speaker 1: thought that you could still wrap uh. But he's continued
Speaker 1: to put our projects and stuff, and you know, just
Speaker 1: his cultural impact. You know what I'm saying. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: I gotta go with you, Oh, old kanyeah old Kanye
Speaker 1: old yeah earlier, could you be solid? Hey? I tell people, man,
Speaker 1: college dropout Kanye could have been president. Yes, yes, I
Speaker 1: drop out man, straight up, straight up college college dropout.
Speaker 1: Kanye could have definitely been president. And I just had
Speaker 1: to go and one more. I'm had to go with Usher,
Speaker 1: my man Usher. You know what, I had to go
Speaker 1: with my very underrated that's just definitely an all time great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: definitely gets looked over. Five five dinner guests, dead or alive.
Speaker 1: I'm a Barack Alpaccino, nice scarface, my grandfather, Okay, Daddy
Speaker 1: Jack Bosh, Daddy Jack Bosh Uh, Malcolm X and Martin
Speaker 1: Martin Luther the King. You gotta solid. Let's go be
Speaker 1: put some wine, a couple of guards, maybe a couple
Speaker 1: of joints of ain't come out. Oh Okay, So this
Speaker 1: next question, who do you think we should have on
Speaker 1: all the Smoke? But before you answer, you have to
Speaker 1: help us get this guess. Oh, shoot, who I think
Speaker 1: you should have on all the Smoke? Man? We we
Speaker 1: we had, we already had one of the big We
Speaker 1: already had one of the Big three and will be
Speaker 1: nice to complete it. We're missing one of the Big three.
Speaker 1: Gang gang came. Man. I don't want to make no
Speaker 1: premises there. Man, I don't know. Man, that's a good
Speaker 1: as question. Man, I shoot, who should you have? Man?
Speaker 1: I want to want to say somebody outside of because
Speaker 1: you guys do so it's such a wide net, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. How About I'll give you a suggestion.
Speaker 1: How About I'll give you a suggestion because because I
Speaker 1: know you know this person? Yeah, pat Riley, Oh you
Speaker 1: should have you should have. That'd be dope. That's a
Speaker 1: gold episode. That's a gold episode. But I'm about to say, Hey,
Speaker 1: between Bron and Pat, I don't I don't know who's
Speaker 1: harder to Yeah, Pattis. Pattis, pat got more rings than anybody. Man.
Speaker 1: I just when we have dinner, it's like, Man, it's
Speaker 1: so good to see you. I appreciate you man. You
Speaker 1: know what, I got to see you man. It'll be
Speaker 1: a while. Let's get everything in down and our lunch.
Speaker 1: You know right. That's a rap. Chris, thank you for
Speaker 1: your time, my brother. Appreciate you man. Thank you guys man,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, oh yeah, don't talk about it. Thank you
Speaker 1: to our guests, Chris Bosh for his time. You can
Speaker 1: catch us on Showtime Basketball YouTube in the I Heart
Speaker 1: platform under the Black Effects. See you all next week. Chris.
Speaker 1: Thanks bro. We appreciate it, man, appreciate take it easy.
Speaker 1: Good to see you bro. Thanks for your time, bro.
Speaker 1: Good to see you bro. This is all a Smoke,
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