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Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black

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Speaker 1: Effect and Our Heart Radio in partnership with Showtime. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back Man, season two of All the Sloke. We got

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Speaker 1: a real special guests. What's up with your Brodie with

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Speaker 1: the virtual handshake? I wanna tell ya something that I

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Speaker 1: never told him about Smoke. Welcome back to another edition

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Speaker 1: of All the Smoke, Jack, what's up Bro? My brother

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Speaker 1: was happening? Man, I can't call it starting to get

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Speaker 1: caught out here in the l An. Don't like it,

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Speaker 1: bro um Man. Hey, it's all it's always hoodie weather,

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Speaker 1: hoodie weather out there, so I like it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's it's getting cold. It started to get cold in

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Speaker 1: the East Atlanta. We get it. We get a little

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Speaker 1: bit of every season, but you know, when you get

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Speaker 1: into the cold in l A, y'all start to panic.

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Speaker 1: One thing about Atlanta, Bro, they don't give a fuck

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Speaker 1: about masks. U y'a don't get nothing, no kind of regulation,

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Speaker 1: no nothing. Y'all just out there ripping and running like

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Speaker 1: the pandemic don't exist. Uh, this is wa condo that

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Speaker 1: this is for real. Wakndom Man, Thanks, hey man. We

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Speaker 1: got a special guest. Man two time, nbah Chimp. Chris

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Speaker 1: Bosh is in the building today. Chris, how you doing man,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for your Timeue Man, good to see you, guys Man,

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Speaker 1: Texas boy, Texas boy. Yeah. Yeah. First and the foremost,

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Speaker 1: how's the family doing? We were talking before we started,

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Speaker 1: how homeschool is kicking your ass? I was telling you

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Speaker 1: what I did with my homeschool. But how how are

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Speaker 1: you in the family doing right now? Everybody is good man.

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Speaker 1: You know, um, I didn't think I was gonna have

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Speaker 1: to do the third in the first grade again. But

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Speaker 1: the work is, the work is harder and different. They

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Speaker 1: break down problems different. Now everything is different. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: look at it. You know, my kids go to private school,

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Speaker 1: and I look at their problems and the way they

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Speaker 1: do stuff. I said, yeah, we didn't do that, you know.

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Speaker 1: And you know, my favorite, my favorite classes, back to lunch,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Now, I told you I

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Speaker 1: had to hire up the fifth grade math kick my

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Speaker 1: ass at the end of last school year. So I

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Speaker 1: heard my kids like a full time teacher that's in

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Speaker 1: Like so when they're doing their zoom work with their

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Speaker 1: theirs two school teacher. They got another teacher right there.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, don't even bother me at that no more. Man,

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Speaker 1: I got yelling on your own with that, but that

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Speaker 1: that school work is just different, man, it is man,

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Speaker 1: it is. Man. Teachers, God bless you all. Miss you,

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Speaker 1: to miss you. Man. I love my teachers before all

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Speaker 1: this madness started, you know what I'm saying. So, you know,

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Speaker 1: I hope we figured this out, man, because this is

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Speaker 1: crazy fact politics, social justice, pandemic. We're you know, a

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Speaker 1: is somewhat in shambles right now. What is your outlooking?

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Speaker 1: What have you been thinking of later? Just about between

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Speaker 1: all that, what's been going on? Man? You know, I

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Speaker 1: guess the overall general thing I've really been thinking about first,

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Speaker 1: starting with the pandemic, um was just kind of falling

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Speaker 1: back in the family, um back into really learning how

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Speaker 1: I got five kids, and um, you know, a big

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Speaker 1: I took a lot of the time to kind of

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Speaker 1: I'm to that part in parents parenting where you know,

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Speaker 1: the age range of your kids? I got a twelve

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Speaker 1: four year old. You got twins, that's right, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: hey man. That is all. That's a part of it, man,

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Speaker 1: And that's that's kind of the part that I love.

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Speaker 1: to be honest, I just want I just want things

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Speaker 1: it's kind of it's kind of weird. Anybody you talk

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Speaker 1: be done, and there's some kind of conspiracy, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. I think it would be healthy for

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Speaker 1: some kind of dialogue because there's none at all. You know.

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Speaker 1: You can watch your channel and you can follow, you

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Speaker 1: follow on social and that's it, you know. I agree.

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Speaker 1: I think the only way to move forward is conversation,

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Speaker 1: the hard conversations. You know, they need to on both sides.

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Speaker 1: But I completely agree that. How do you feel the

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Speaker 1: the NBA did one with the bubble, but continuing to

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Speaker 1: keep their message their social message, excuse me, social justice

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Speaker 1: message alive during the during the bubble plag I think

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Speaker 1: that was that was very important, very interesting. I mean, um,

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Speaker 1: So I was just happy to see the guys continue

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Speaker 1: the same time try to perpetuate this message while chaos

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Speaker 1: well you paid, you find you're an athlete, You're okay,

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Speaker 1: Like you know, your mental health isn't important. So I

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Speaker 1: really commend those guys for for doing what they did.

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Speaker 1: They did a wonderful job. And and you know, the

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Speaker 1: do you say, who who has been in their prime

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Speaker 1: I know, I know, man, You know, we all have

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Speaker 1: any other player who wants to be the goat you're

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Speaker 1: at least gonna have. You're gonna have to have eighteen

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Speaker 1: I mean even looking at my um, you know, my career,

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Speaker 1: He's consistently played in the playoffs, not just oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: missed the playoffs one time or twice with the Lakers

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Speaker 1: your former teammate Lebron. I know you had I know

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Speaker 1: you had mixed emotions. What was that like? It was

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Speaker 1: And I'm talking about winning, you know, just getting there

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Speaker 1: it's tough to watch you You definitely always want to

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Speaker 1: of watching the heat deal with injuries, seeing my man

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Speaker 1: People don't realize he was leading the team and scoring.

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Speaker 1: I mean not to say they win, but it would

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Speaker 1: play in the finals, Uh, I don't care where they're playing.

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Speaker 1: If it's the finals and it's the NBA, that's a

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Speaker 1: to have that full experience, that was tough. But you know,

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Speaker 1: and fought. Um, I know what the message was definitely

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Speaker 1: on both sides, but specifically with the heat. I know

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Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of people were writing them

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Speaker 1: But you know, when you get there, you don't get

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Speaker 1: good season. I knew for sure they were gonna prepare,

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Speaker 1: And it happened. But you know, pain is pain. Um.

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Speaker 1: I know they'll be able to get over it, um

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Speaker 1: and it'll make them a better team. And you know,

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Speaker 1: let's see if they could keep it going. Yeah. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of talk about who's coming and going there.

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Speaker 1: So it'll be interesting to see next season. Texas raised

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Speaker 1: you uh leak in high school? Uh decided to go

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Speaker 1: the number four kick? So what was it? What was

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Speaker 1: or most of the stuff we saw visually in the nineties.

426
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 1: They definitely need to get a lot of credit for that. Man, absolutely,

427
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 1: you yep, you battle against some of the best force

428
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 1: to ever play in the game during your time. Dirk

429
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:50,639
Speaker 1: Tim Duncan, Rashid, Chris Webber. I know, I know it

430
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 1: was some nice when you couldn't sleep before and after games,

431
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:58,760
Speaker 1: talk about talk about battling with those guys man, my yeah,

432
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,679
Speaker 1: I mean that was the thing that inspired to be.

433
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 1: You know, all those guys you name KG, you know,

434
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:11,360
Speaker 1: they they pretty much set the tone. And I mean

435
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 1: especially out west, you might, I mean you might go Dallas, Sacramento, Minnesota,

436
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,639
Speaker 1: you know, and and um, if you didn't bring it

437
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 1: on any particular night at that position, or if you

438
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 1: couldn't guard, or if you couldn't score, you know, you're

439
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:30,640
Speaker 1: probably gonna get embarrassed. But I loved it. I mean,

440
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 1: all those guys are my heroes growing up, so I

441
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:40,120
Speaker 1: wanted um to really put myself in the position like them. Um,

442
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 1: you know they set the model for it. And I

443
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,879
Speaker 1: mean a lot of Knights not sleeping. The team I

444
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 1: used to hate playing the most was the Pistons. Bro

445
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,919
Speaker 1: when she was with the Pistons, man, I you know that.

446
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 1: I yeah, I couldn't sleep. Those were the Knights. I

447
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 1: couldn't sleep. Could not sleep for sure, man, because they're

448
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 1: gonna be physics cool. Yeah. I need my team needs

449
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 1: to me to get twenty five thirty points, I'm probably

450
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 1: not gonna get it, you know, because they're gonna put

451
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 1: a lot of bodies on me, you know, get it. Yeah,

452
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 1: I wasn't defense wasn't wasn't that strong back then, you know,

453
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,439
Speaker 1: And that was always the worst thing to hear if

454
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 1: you in these games. Flip Saunders, you know, the late

455
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:30,360
Speaker 1: great man, he wasn't shot about anything. Third four comes here,

456
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:38,119
Speaker 1: we go nothing and it's nothing I can do. Yeah,

457
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 1: we a man, but you know, now, you know how

458
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 1: we felt. Now you know how wep at with me

459
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 1: and Matt wasn't going to state we had to guard

460
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 1: your ass. Man, you know, I hated that was the

461
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 1: one thing I hated. You give me a big guy,

462
00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 1: I can I'm okay, but you guys guard me if

463
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: if a smaller person was on it. I just didn't

464
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,959
Speaker 1: know what to do. Man. I hated it because my

465
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: game was face up. I wanted to take advantage of man.

466
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 1: You take that you're getting in my ship. I can't see.

467
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 1: I don't want to pass and we done with and

468
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 1: we done with, done with. Hated I hated playing you guys.

469
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 1: I was with that team. Hey, out of the people

470
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 1: you name, you know, KG, Duncan Weber was she Dirk?

471
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 1: Who was your toughest personal battle? Okay, g by far,

472
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 1: it's not even close. You can He's gonna talk big

473
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,360
Speaker 1: ship to you, dude. I had to get over man,

474
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 1: I had to. I had to get over it. I

475
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 1: had to, like, you know, go to the temple and

476
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 1: like do some meditation. Bro. He got me one time,

477
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 1: so good bro in the game, and I had a

478
00:25:56,240 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: terrible game too. He called me a mama's boy. Oh

479
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: my god, and this is on top of her forget

480
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: all the curse words, you know, m f M, back

481
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 1: and forth. He said, wait, I mean you know what

482
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: mean you a mama's boy? And I was like, oh

483
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 1: my my bro, my mind was gone. I probably I

484
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: probably scored five points. I got dominated and embarrassed. I

485
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 1: was just like, Bro, I'm in my sheet, I'm in

486
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,360
Speaker 1: my bed, just can't sleep, just like he mean mama's boy.

487
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 1: I ain't, no damn mama. You know that's KG. K Hey.

488
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: KG walked on the court in the first his first

489
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 1: five minutes, he talking to himself. Come on, motherfucker, that's cool.

490
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 1: Like he talking to himself the whole time. Dog bro

491
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 1: and I let him like, man, who, Man, who are

492
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: you talking to? Bro? And that woke him up and

493
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: shut me down. Bro. And ever since that day, I said,

494
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 1: I'm okay, I'm not in a trash talk. I can't

495
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: even I'm trying to think of comebacks and the game's

496
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: still going, you know what I mean, I'm gonna say

497
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: this to him, like you got five b Yeah, that's crazy.

498
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: Who is someone? Uh? Growing up? Because you were known

499
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 1: as one of the most versatile force in our game

500
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:21,919
Speaker 1: when you were able to stretch your game out. Who

501
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: are some of the people you looked up toward, maybe

502
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: one in particular who you kind of tried to patting

503
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 1: your game after. Oh it was cag as well. I

504
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: think that's why it was so. I mean you can

505
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: pretty much put him across the board I had, you know,

506
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: and I definitely appreciated everybody's game. I wanted to say,

507
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,679
Speaker 1: wanted to say my second favorite was she, you know,

508
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: just because I mean she was she. But I was

509
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 1: looking at somebody that looked like me, you know, so

510
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 1: right away you know he you know, when I saw

511
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: him as a rookie, he was thin, fast, long, you know,

512
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,959
Speaker 1: playing both sides, both ends of the court. That's you know,

513
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: that that was who I identified with. So that face

514
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 1: up game, I had never seen anything like it. You know,

515
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: at the time, I had those old school coaches. You know,

516
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: if the big if the big man puts the ball

517
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 1: on the floor, you know, it's one of those things.

518
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: And I watched him put the ball on the floor,

519
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: shoot the j um, block a shot, get the rebound,

520
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: you know, start the break. Once I saw that Um,

521
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,199
Speaker 1: that opened my mind to it. Then I saw Lamar Oldham,

522
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 1: Then I saw Darius Darius Miles. Yeah, And once I

523
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: saw that, I knew it was nothing anybody could tell me.

524
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: I had seen. I had seen the future, you know

525
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So I say those those those are

526
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: the three guys, you know, KG, l O H and D. Mouse.

527
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: When when I saw the Mouse, yeah, D Mouse, bro

528
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: D Miles, I saw hello. I was I was one

529
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: of those crazy weird kids with college basketball. I watched

530
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: Llo at Rhode Island and and then with the Miles

531
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: um it was the two thousand McDonald's All American game.

532
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: I had never seen anything like that. I mean he

533
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: was getting the rebounding and beating the guards down the

534
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: court and just dunking and hanging all rom swinging off.

535
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: I mean, me and my homies, we we wanted to

536
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:23,239
Speaker 1: be exactly exactly like that, so you know, and they

537
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: had the appeal to him and him and q Rich

538
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: out there the knuckleheads, I mean, come on, still going now,

539
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: you know, just uh boys, Shout out to the knuckleheads,

540
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: Shout out to the nut Yeah, those are the main influences, man.

541
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: People miss Deep Miles Man. Knee injuries definitely cut him

542
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: down short man in his back, but he was a

543
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: motherfucker boy when he was young out there running in

544
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: l A. We had like game game. It wasn't just

545
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: the Duncan d Mouse had the whole package. Man, Yes, sir,

546
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: two thousand eight Team USA. Let's talk about that experience.

547
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: And did that time in two thousand and eight with

548
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: the USA team did that create the talk for the

549
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: big three in Miami? It actually didn't. Man. A lot

550
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: of people asked that. I mean, I can't speak for

551
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: Lebron indeed, um, but for me not not not really.

552
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: I mean I was still my focus was on playing

553
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: UM and really hanging out with the guys, and I

554
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 1: always wanted to be like them. I wanted to be

555
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: seen in the same light, you know, mellow uh d,

556
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: Wade and bron I mean they they had the the

557
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: things that I wanted. They had the endorsement deals, they

558
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: had them, you know, the regular season success, the playoffs success.

559
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: I was able, you know, to to still um be

560
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: an All Star and all that stuff. But I was

561
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: always trying to be on that level, you know. So

562
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: being in that situation, I just wanted to play, you

563
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: know what. I wanted to be out on the court,

564
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: um so. And and to be honest with you, ill,

565
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: wasn't that social when I was that age. I one

566
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: thing I wish I would have done more of make

567
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: more of an effort h to be one of the fellas.

568
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: You know. I think I tried pretty decently, but just

569
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: talking back and forth, enjoying the time, or you know,

570
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: um I was at the car games, but sometime I

571
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: was just a fly on the wall, you know what

572
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I wish I would have talked a little

573
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: more and just picked their brain and just be a

574
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: part of the conversation a little more. But um, you

575
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: know what that said. They they might have had conversations.

576
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: I did not. So now fast forward, you know to

577
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 1: seasons two summers later. Uh, you know you're you have

578
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: an opportunity to, uh, you know, make a tough decision

579
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: whether or not to leave Toronto. UM, walk us through

580
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: the process. Obviously you didn't have a big announcement in

581
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: an interview as as as as your brother Bron did.

582
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: But what was your thought process on, Man, do I

583
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: want to stay loyal to the place that drafted me

584
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: or do I want to go in in Miami? Man,

585
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: I wanted to stay loyal, I really did. UM. But

586
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: with that prior statement, Uh, I wanted to be like

587
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: those guys. I mean d Wade had quick success. I

588
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: mean just seeing how quickly they wanted I mean it

589
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: was three years after we got drafted and it and

590
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: it was in Dallas. I was in Dallas just watching

591
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: the TV, like what the hell, bro? We didn't even

592
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: make the playoffs. We weren't even close, you know what

593
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And it made UM, it made me want

594
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: to work harder. UM, and through that hard work, it

595
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: just we just didn't have I didn't have the success

596
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,239
Speaker 1: we wanted to. I mean we were in uh, we

597
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: were in a position where I was in a position

598
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: in Toronto. Of course I wanted to win right away,

599
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: but the kind of twenty ten free agency situation kind

600
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: of made it to where I know I can play

601
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: in the States and win now and have a or

602
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: have a chance at winning now. And that was like

603
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: the main important thing. I mean, you know, Michael Jordan

604
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: and Kobe Bryant, where are here eurods? Man? You know

605
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: that's that's eleven rings. You know what I'm saying. So

606
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: I don't I don't have none. I've been playing for

607
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: seven years. I'm behind, you know. So. Um, and I

608
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: talked to I talked to a lot of O. G

609
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: s as well, and the main thing that I got

610
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: was guys saying, no matter what, you want to play

611
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: on that stage. You know you want to play on

612
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: the big stage. That's what you want to do. And

613
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: that just stuck with me. So that was that was

614
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: always in my intent and the decision I made. And

615
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: and don't get me wrong, Toronto made it tough on me.

616
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: I mean that was that was home. All my friends

617
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: were there. I loved it there. Um, I could shoot

618
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: it whenever I wanted to. But you know, those uh,

619
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: I wanted to win, man. I'm I've always been a

620
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: competitor and winning. Winning has always been first and foremost,

621
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: and that's what I wanted to do. What's how was

622
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: it getting recruited by pat Riley? Did he call you

623
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: and uh, I just text you a picture all the

624
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: rings and say what you want to do? Found, I

625
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: got all these rings. I can show you how to

626
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 1: get one. Come on over. Yeah, he except he showed

627
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: it to me right then, right there, because we had

628
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: all that means in Chicago. So, I mean, it was

629
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: it was crazy just talking to packers, Pat. You know

630
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: how you know people have an aura. Pat has an aura.

631
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Pat has an aura and

632
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 1: the mother boss you know what I mean? He come in, Yeah,

633
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: you just stand up at straight, you know what I mean.

634
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: You know it's sir, it's sir right, Yeah, you know

635
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:49,399
Speaker 1: he just carres my grandfather pressure. Yeah, you know, he's

636
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 1: one of the greatest, but he is. And like to

637
00:34:55,840 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 1: see him telling, you know, having a message to you

638
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: to win a championship and to have pat Riley tell you, yo,

639
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: this is what it's about. I mean, my dad, my

640
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,280
Speaker 1: dad when with me to the meeting, he was fanning

641
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 1: out before and I'm like, yo, right, you know what

642
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 1: Riley man. You know, my dad watched my dad, you know,

643
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: he was growing up in the eighties and had me

644
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: in the eighties, so like you know that showtime all that,

645
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: you know, and um and then even in early nineties

646
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: with the Nicks, so you know, just just uh, just

647
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,919
Speaker 1: the thing that Pat brings is uh is that championship

648
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: aura And you can see it, you know what I mean,

649
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: you see it and then he starts talking to you,

650
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: and then like you know, it's always a good point,

651
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: you know, So I just uh, you know, I just

652
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: enjoyed it. Really. I wish I wish we would have

653
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: taken it, but it's uh, it's in here somewhere, right.

654
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: How challenging was it for you? Because similar to KG

655
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: when they got their Big three, he was of one

656
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: that kind of stepped back the most and sacrifice to

657
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 1: make sure everything went in. From the outside looking in,

658
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: it looks like you were the superstar that sacrificed the

659
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: most for Braun and d Wait. So how challenging it

660
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: wasn't for you mentally to kind of find all right,

661
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: I'm here with this team, We're gonna win. But to

662
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: find your footing in your identity with the Heat team, Man,

663
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie to you, man. It was difficult.

664
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 1: It wasn't. Uh, it wasn't. I thought it was gonna

665
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: be a lot easier. I thought it was just gonna

666
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: be one of those things where we just go out

667
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: there and play and things are gonna happen. But basketball

668
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: doesn't work like that. Um. And you know, just just

669
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: as far as like my what I brought to the

670
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,919
Speaker 1: table was concerned was different those two guys. I mean,

671
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: the things they could do, I knew right away, like, okay,

672
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: I can't do that. You know, do you get the

673
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 1: euro stepping going two hundred miles an hour? And then Brian,

674
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: I mean, I you know, I watched him like, you know,

675
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 1: get the block, get the rebound, kick it up, beat

676
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 1: everybody down the floor, and catch catch a lot with

677
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: his head at the rim. I can't. I can't do that.

678
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna try to do that, you know

679
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Um, you know what I mean. I'm

680
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 1: a little different, But in that situation, I knew where

681
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: I could function, and you know, just in that dynamic

682
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 1: of that team, UM, it wasn't necessary um as much.

683
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: So I had to learn to play the game a

684
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: different way. Which was totally fine, but I had to

685
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: I had to learn how to play more of a

686
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 1: team concept. The toughest thing was really the social everybody

687
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: on the outside looking in, you know what I mean,

688
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 1: you know, the jokes, the mockery, all the stuff that

689
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: comes with it. I didn't really see that coming. And

690
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: so usually to defend yourself on the court, in my instance,

691
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 1: was if somebody's talking on the sideline, all right, cool,

692
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna like you up for thirty you know what

693
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: I mean. And in this situation, I really couldn't do that.

694
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: You know. It was just a different dynamic. But it

695
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 1: made us pour, uh poor ourselves more into the team.

696
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: And you know, I found so many different as fastests

697
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: of basketball that you know, I'm so glad that I

698
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: picked up and got to experience and it worked. You know,

699
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: we want a couple. We got to compete for four

700
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 1: years and you know, I can't take anything away from that.

701
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: It was a hell of a ride. I mean, d

702
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: Wade obviously they appreciated. D Wade made a quote that

703
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: he was the piece that me and Lebron needed to

704
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: make everything work. So obviously they knew, Uh, you were

705
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: the one that kind of kept everything moving, but that

706
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: you know, entailed a huge step back from what's something

707
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: you're accustomed to do. The one thing you said before

708
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: in Toronto, shoot that bitch whenever I wanted to, you

709
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Once you get to Miami, it's

710
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 1: a little different and kind of find your spots. And

711
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: then one thing you're able to do was really consistently,

712
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 1: you know, stretch your range out. And I think when

713
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: you started doing that consistently, that's when you kind of

714
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: found your inside because no one could get to deal

715
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: with you on that admit that that turn and go.

716
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: But then when you were able to step back and

717
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: start playing more on the perimeter to and open up

718
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: the court more for the team. That's what, like I said,

719
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: as an opponent and outside looking in, that's to me,

720
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: that's looks like when you kind of found your rhythm

721
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, I wish I wish I would

722
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: have done that earlier. I wish I would have went ahead,

723
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: as you know, the blueprint was there, but I wish

724
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: I would have went ahead and changed that next year.

725
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: That first year, all right, I'm playing behind the three

726
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: point line because one that's where the game was going. Anyway,

727
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: you know, guys like Dirt pretty much established it and said, Okay,

728
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: you know it's out there. It hasn't like you haven't

729
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: seen it before. It's just that I don't know. I

730
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: just was too scared to take the leap, and I

731
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: think the whole team was scared to take the leap.

732
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, I should have. Yeah, I think if I

733
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: would have stretched out, you know, to the three point

734
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: line along sooner. I think I even was too late,

735
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: because I still watch film to this day. I always

736
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:58,280
Speaker 1: watched our series against the Spurs, and I'm just looking.

737
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,280
Speaker 1: I said, Man, all I had to do is saying

738
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: behind standard the corner three, just to make it a

739
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: little I mean, goddamn, it's Tim Duncan you know he

740
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 1: has probably you know, he's got a lot of block shots,

741
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 1: you know about top three, you know, and ever, you know,

742
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: if I would have made it a little tough one

743
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 1: him just stepping behind that three point line of being

744
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: a threat there and make them kind of make an adjustment.

745
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,240
Speaker 1: They never had to really make it a defensive adjustment

746
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: on us, not a lot, make him close out, make

747
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: him clothes. I would have been a problem. And then

748
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: you know, with the rules, you can't know hand checking

749
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 1: no this, no that, and then you know you can. Yeah,

750
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 1: And so that's one thing I wish I would have done,

751
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: was just make that, make take that one and a

752
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,760
Speaker 1: half step back, you know, steps back a little earlier,

753
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 1: and start functioning there. But you know it's still went well.

754
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,760
Speaker 1: You know, I have no complaints. So to start that season,

755
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: obviously so much hype, there's a big parade everything. You

756
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: guys are crowned. You guys want to win a hundred

757
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 1: and eighty seven championships in a row. You guys start

758
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: the season off. You gotta start the season off at

759
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,240
Speaker 1: nine and eight. And man like you said that, outside media,

760
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: the fans, the heckling. When was there a pot the

761
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,760
Speaker 1: moment that season you felt you guys kind of came together,

762
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: had a meeting, or found your footing through a particular game.

763
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: What what made you guys turn the corner that season?

764
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: So it was that week, uh we lost to the Mavericks. Yeah,

765
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 1: that when we were nine and eight. That eighth loss

766
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: was to the Mavericks. We had just lost the night before,

767
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: I believe if I remember correctly in New Orleans, and

768
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 1: I remember d coming in and just like you know,

769
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: having one of the moments he he blows up at

770
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: the team, but it was like it was one of

771
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 1: the most positive rants I've ever seen, you know what

772
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: I mean. He was he was like, Man, this bullshit.

773
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: We gotta start talking to each other. Man, my name

774
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: is d Wade, I got two kids. You know, He's

775
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 1: just was going off. But it was that and then

776
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 1: I can't remember if we um went on if that

777
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: was in the middle of a road trip or we

778
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 1: went to I remember being in Chicago and I got

779
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:12,399
Speaker 1: hurt and we had our first game West Coast road trip.

780
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: I think that West Coast road trip was when the

781
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: group really really started jelling, because that's when d Wade

782
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: and Brian I don't know what the hell they were

783
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: talking to each other about, but that's when they start

784
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: doing that full court steal and all that. Yeah, you

785
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,280
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And I remember being I didn't

786
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,280
Speaker 1: go on that trip. I was hurt, and I watched

787
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: that and just being able to take a step back

788
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: and see that, you know, it kind of really helped

789
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 1: me and say, Okay, all right, when I come back,

790
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: this is what we're gonna do, this is how I'm

791
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: gonna fit in. And things started to pick up. After that,

792
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: we still we still hit uh, hit some blocks, some roadbumps,

793
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: But um, I think that's kind of when we found

794
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: our identity as a team. And then really after that,

795
00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 1: it was really just about winning and losing playing our style,

796
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: you know, lose winning like a man ship, losing like

797
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: a man. Um. All those things had to had to

798
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: kind of help us jail as a team throughout the

799
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 1: rest of that season. Losing to the Maps in two

800
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: thousand eleven finals. What was the biggest lesson that y'all

801
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,439
Speaker 1: took from that, man, that's the good biggest lesson. Don't

802
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: count your eggs before they hatch. I guess, um kind

803
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: of one. The one thing I learned for sure was

804
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 1: don't watch TV bro. I thought we had it. I

805
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: thought we went up to one. I was like, yes, sir,

806
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: you know, but it didn't happen. And I think as

807
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: a team, just just having that toughness, understanding that they're

808
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: they're a great team too, and and it's gonna be

809
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,919
Speaker 1: runs and stuff. I think we hung our heads way

810
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: too much. Um, we weren't alert. Um. It was some

811
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: simple things that they did, you know, just those team

812
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 1: building kinds steps, the small things like make calling that

813
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: switch under five seconds shot clock. You know what I'm saying,

814
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: that's when they that that last four or let the

815
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: last three and a half seconds to where you know,

816
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: you'll see the good teams continue to make the next

817
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: play and make the next clothes out and they're gonna

818
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 1: keep making the right pass. You know. Yeah, they had

819
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:25,320
Speaker 1: to trust. Psychologically, we weren't prepared for that, you know

820
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Um, we let guys get off and

821
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: and we let that, you know, kind of damage our psyche.

822
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: I think after that we understood, like you know, it's

823
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,479
Speaker 1: a it's a game of runs. They might have a run,

824
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: we might have a run. Let's keep playing, Let's go

825
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: on to the next play, Let's get a stop, let's

826
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: get a bucket. We need to do that, you know

827
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: what I mean, those intangibles. We got way way better

828
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: at that. It was a huge lesson learned. So two

829
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: thousand thirty or twelve and thirteen, you guys go back

830
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: to back in two thousand and twelve, were injured in

831
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: the playoffs, and you come back during the bronze Game

832
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: six when you guys are down three to the Boston

833
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: what do you remember about that night? All. I remember.

834
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: I remember a lot. It was a terrible smelling locker room.

835
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys, yes, look I'm a

836
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: TV guarden, y'all. Come on, now, they share with they

837
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: share with the hockey players. I'm telling you, man, we

838
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: all we knew it that day. It was no questions

839
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: like it was in here last night. That's what it

840
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: smelled like. Bro, you know, oh my god, I just

841
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: remember kind of it all came down to that, but

842
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,280
Speaker 1: just kind of loopen to what I was saying earlier.

843
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: With the Mavericks, we just we just said, hey, we

844
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 1: didn't panic. We let's win. Let's win this game. We

845
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: need to. We're gonna win this game by doing these things.

846
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: Of Course, you can't hang your hat and hope that

847
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,240
Speaker 1: Brian has you know, forty five points in three quarters,

848
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 1: you know, but it kind of nice to happen. Yeah,

849
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: it's nice to have it. It just happened. You know.

850
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: I was I was hurt, you know, I was hurt

851
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 1: more than people know. Um, So I was just concentrating

852
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: on what I can't even do today, you know, I was.

853
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: I was playing with a lot of pain, and so

854
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: I just wanted to do something. You know, um so

855
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: about man about midway about right. I want to say,

856
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 1: at the ten nine ten minute market in the second quarter,

857
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: that's when I kind of realized, like, damn, Brian hadn't missed,

858
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: He hadn't missed. Okay, damn everything he throwing is going up.

859
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: That made it easier on us, because all we needed

860
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 1: to do is get a stop, you know, so it

861
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 1: motivated us more on the defensive end. We get the

862
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: ball to Brin he is pretty much I don't know

863
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: where where he's at, but we need to keep him there.

864
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: And you know, the next thing we know, it's like, man,

865
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: it's three minutes left. We up twenty eight points. Damn man,

866
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're going back home. Hell yeah, we survived it.

867
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: And then, you know, I just remember how focused Brian was.

868
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: He was. He was not nervous, you know. If he was,

869
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: he didn't let on to be. We were. We were

870
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: getting loose in the back, um about to you know,

871
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: run out there for warm ups, and you know how

872
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: it is, it's pretty much you have a quiet conversation.

873
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: There's nothing to talk about with the coach. We watched

874
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,399
Speaker 1: the films, you watch the clips. We go out there,

875
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: everybody's getting you know, kind of focused, and I just

876
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: remember him kind of looking up saying, damn, David Sterring

877
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: here today. Huh. We're like, yeah, he's here, and they

878
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 1: brought the trophy. They brought the trophy here today too. Huh.

879
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I suppose the trophy is here. And

880
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: then he's like, all right, cool, let's go out there

881
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: and do it. And that was it. Yeah, so you

882
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: get past them, you guys beat young up and coming

883
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 1: case in five. What was it like to finally get

884
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: to the top of that mountain? Man, it was a relief,

885
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,280
Speaker 1: I want to say that was Yeah, that was a relief.

886
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: We knew we were gonna do it. It was kind

887
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: of an unorthodox road. It never happens the way you

888
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: wanted to happen. But you know, just getting over that mountaintop,

889
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 1: having that feeling and being in Miami, I mean, it

890
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 1: was a dream come true, to be honest with you, Um,

891
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: it was. It was a great feeling. And it goes

892
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: by so fast. It goes by so fast. Man, It's like, oh, yeah,

893
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: you have all these dreams, it's gonna be like this

894
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: when in the locker room. And then yeah, at the parade.

895
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this this It's just like you blink

896
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: three times and then it's time to go because you

897
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: got you need to get on vacation now because training

898
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 1: camp is in nine weeks, you know what I mean.

899
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: So we just uh, I know, for me, it was

900
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: you know, words can't even describe it. You know, just

901
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: uh just seeing how much the city, um, where you're

902
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: living and where you're competing, how much the city gets

903
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: into it. You know, a lot of people unless you've

904
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,760
Speaker 1: experienced it, you you can't even understand. But the whole

905
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: the whole city is in it. You know, you feel

906
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 1: a loss if you win it. I mean everybody's happy,

907
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,320
Speaker 1: you know. So just to just to kind of share

908
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: that with the friends, to bring that to Miami, um,

909
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: you know, to do that uh with some guys I

910
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: consider brothers and friends. Uh, it was. It was super special.

911
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: The first one, second one was just like a relief.

912
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 1: It was more just like, dude, you know, you understand

913
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: how even more how hard it is to win. It's

914
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: harder to defend it. I mean, planning a series like

915
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 1: that was just mentally, spiritually, physically exhausting. You know, I

916
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: didn't want to I didn't want to play basketball anymore.

917
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: That was like, that was the first time basketball was fun. Oh,

918
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: I mean it wasn't fun while I was playing. It's

919
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: like I'm getting ready for Game six, and I mean

920
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 1: the knots in my stomach are just you know, you're

921
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: fighting some nervousness because it's all on the line, you know,

922
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: so um we've on the way to pull things out.

923
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: But those uh, those uh, those times were real special, man.

924
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 1: Well between you know, obviously in in thirteen, you guys played,

925
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: you know, Tim duncan Man and Tony Um a huge

926
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: game six and someone asked you what was one of

927
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: your favorite moments at one point, and it was you

928
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 1: said it was the rebound you grabbed in the kick

929
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: out to Ray. Yeah, that's crazy. I mean there's many

930
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 1: points they cut me, Matt, Matt, they cut me. Matt,

931
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 1: sur cut me. I would have boxed Chris's ass out

932
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: and got that rebound. Man, they ket me. I thought

933
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 1: to be in that series. That was that was a

934
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 1: held of a series. I wanted to be in that.

935
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 1: Damn you Pop. I'm still mad about that. I'm still

936
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: mad about that. Dog. Hey, real quick, I remember because

937
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 1: we were we had just played New Orleans and we

938
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 1: were leaving New Orleans. We were on the bus and

939
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:54,359
Speaker 1: you would call me like, yo, I just gotta pop

940
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: cut me da da da. They're bringing in t macadda

941
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: da and then just go to then and even remember

942
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 1: that being that year. Bro, Damn, that's crazy. I mean,

943
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 1: you know what's funny, Yostack. Me and my guy, Me

944
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: and Shane, we we always talked about it, and we

945
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 1: really we you know, we've watched the play a lot,

946
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,359
Speaker 1: you know how you know Shane, he don't get hit. Boy.

947
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: That's like his best move is a box out, you guys, Yeah,

948
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: box out, That's my best move. He told me, he said,

949
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: off of that one, I would have I would have

950
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: cracked your ribs, bro, because you know I watched the

951
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: flight of the ball and man New was the bottom guy.

952
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: You know, it's one of those boxes out where the

953
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 1: big is going like this, Oh this was open, you

954
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So he could have he could

955
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: have he could have took me out, you know. For NBA.

956
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 1: He was like, Yeah, for NBA Championship, I would have

957
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: gladly done it. Cleaned your grass out was easy. I

958
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 1: would have just been at the hospital and and and

959
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: we would have lost. You know, you know that's how

960
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: shan't play. Shane was just shan't did anything to win

961
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: the game. He wasn't. He just played by the rules.

962
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,359
Speaker 1: If I could slide upon you last minute, I get

963
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 1: a charge, that's not on me, it's the room. Yeah. Yeah,

964
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: he was like, oh yeah, I would have put my

965
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 1: hip right there and that would have killed. But you know, yeah,

966
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: that was that. That play just kind of really just

967
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 1: happened fast. Um, I'm glad it happened the way it did.

968
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 1: And I mean still even after that, we had to execute,

969
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 1: we had to you know, play overtime, another overtime, we

970
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 1: had to play with five arders. You had to play

971
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,959
Speaker 1: overtime in another game, so then you got But also

972
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: the big block in that that was just like it

973
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 1: was the small things you did in that game. You know,

974
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 1: obviously you played well, but it was two It was

975
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,720
Speaker 1: a rebound in the block shot that you know, secured

976
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 1: the win. And then obviously, you know game seven is

977
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 1: a classic and it's going back to back and you know,

978
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,399
Speaker 1: you guys get the championship. But it's so small things

979
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: that people don't think about to realize and for you

980
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 1: to accomplish everything you've accomplished in career and say that

981
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 1: the offensive rebounding to kick out to a teammate was

982
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 1: you're one of your favorite players in your career. That

983
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 1: It really says a lot, man, for sure. And I

984
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: didn't score in game seven. I tell people that all

985
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: the time. You wanna know something even funnier? Me or

986
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: Ray didn't score in game seven. That's a fun fact

987
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 1: for you. Really that was I don't want to know.

988
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,280
Speaker 1: It wasn't his last bucket, but he scored a couple

989
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: in overtime, I believe. But yeah, we did not score

990
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: one bucket in game seven. Zero points between me and

991
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 1: Ray in game seven. Man, So you look back at

992
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: it when it's all set and done, it's four finals

993
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: appearances in two years, two titles. What do you take

994
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 1: away most? Obviously the championships are important, But what do

995
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 1: you take away most from this? You know, you leave Toronto?

996
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: Are you leave Toronto and have this four year run

997
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 1: that's gonna go down to the history bucks man? I think? Um,

998
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: I think overall, I'm just happy that I was able

999
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: to kind of roll with the punches in a sense.

1000
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 1: Things worked out, um, but not in a way that

1001
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 1: I thought they would. I always thought if we were

1002
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:07,959
Speaker 1: gonna be winning an NBA championship, I'd be like MJ,

1003
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: you know, holding up the Finals trophy. You know. Um,

1004
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: but you you realize how how much it takes to

1005
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: do something like that, I think, man, I mean, I'm

1006
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 1: just proud of the way how many times I was

1007
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: able to transform. I was able to try to carry

1008
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 1: a franchise. Most people don't even get those opportunities, you know,

1009
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:33,240
Speaker 1: So just to have the opportunity and try, um to

1010
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: to be able to participate. I mean in damn there

1011
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: every NBA sanctioned event like the league. Boy, I don't

1012
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: know how many stones I left unturned, you know, NBA

1013
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:48,240
Speaker 1: growing up, man, So just to be able to continue

1014
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: to participate in it. But as a player, um, to

1015
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 1: do all those things and uh to be successful, um,

1016
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: you know with my friends, it was amazed. And and

1017
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 1: to really get to know people at great organizations, both

1018
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: in Toronto and in Miami. Um, you know, with Toronto

1019
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: winning last year. Uh, I have man equipment, guys. I

1020
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: went to a couple of finals games. We was having

1021
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 1: we was kicking back, having some bruise before the game.

1022
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: You know what I mean in the same spot, you know,

1023
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 1: just being able to be proud of those guys and

1024
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 1: and and for that city to have for my friends

1025
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 1: to have that experience was great. And then in Miami,

1026
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, that's such a special place to

1027
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 1: be able to knock on pat Riley's door and and

1028
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: have those meetings, you know, and just to be able

1029
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:40,840
Speaker 1: to talk to him and talk to the guys and

1030
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 1: talk to Spoke. I mean, it was it was a

1031
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 1: special time, you know. And the further we get removed

1032
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 1: from it, man, I mean, even people in Miami, you know,

1033
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 1: they'll come up to me if they see me walking

1034
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:54,320
Speaker 1: around on the street, you know, before all this stuff,

1035
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 1: they they talk about it. You know. Man, remember Bro,

1036
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 1: do you remember? You know, Um, it was so electric,

1037
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:03,399
Speaker 1: It was so much fun. Those are the times I missed,

1038
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 1: you know, everybody at the games, seeing the fans at

1039
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 1: the game, especially now because we don't know what the

1040
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:09,359
Speaker 1: hell I am to happened in the future, you know.

1041
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 1: So I'm just so so glad that we got to

1042
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 1: have all of those moments with the uh, with the

1043
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 1: entire city. Yeah, that's dope. Lebron decided to head back

1044
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: to Cleveland. Was that a shock to you in d Wade,

1045
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: was it talked about amongst you three? How did you

1046
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,399
Speaker 1: find out he was decided to go back to take

1047
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:33,280
Speaker 1: his talents back to Cleveland through a text. Through a text,

1048
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 1: I thought it was bis and and then you know,

1049
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 1: about ten minutes later, it's everywhere. UM, I understand it.

1050
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: I get it at the time. At the time, I

1051
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:45,959
Speaker 1: didn't understand it. Um. At the time, in my mind,

1052
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 1: I was ready to put the team back together so

1053
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 1: we can you know, because we had just lost UM,

1054
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: so we wanted to put put something back together so

1055
00:56:54,680 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 1: we could win UM. And it really didn't go like that. Uh.

1056
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: You know, I took offense to it. To be honest

1057
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 1: with you, at first, UM, I was only thinking of

1058
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 1: how I felt about it. And you know, me and

1059
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 1: Brian talked about it. But you know, I'm a competitor,

1060
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 1: and you know, to be honest with you, ship, when

1061
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: you go back to the locker room and Brian ain't

1062
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: in that chair, and then everybody's kind of looking at

1063
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 1: you for that twenty five points and looking at d

1064
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 1: for that twenty five points, you know, it's like damn man,

1065
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 1: you know, like but uh, you know, you you you

1066
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 1: realize how we really did realize how special of a

1067
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 1: player he was. But at that time I was you know,

1068
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 1: I'm super competitive. UM, I was upset. Uh. Still it's

1069
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 1: still worked out for everybody, UM, but I was upsetting.

1070
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 1: It took some time to get over it. I want

1071
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 1: to say, it took months to get over it. You know,

1072
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: me and uh we had to be in the same

1073
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: place and talk about it. Uh, you know, nothing deep,

1074
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 1: but just you know, just talk and get back to

1075
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 1: the good terms and you know, get back to where

1076
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 1: we were. And you know it's uh, I'm glad we did.

1077
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 1: And you know it was tough to deal with. But

1078
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 1: at the same time, we uh we had to get

1079
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 1: back to a mode of not rebuilding, but you uh,

1080
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 1: getting more out of ourselves and out of our team

1081
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 1: and you know, not always having that easy thing to

1082
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 1: rely on number six to do his job and you

1083
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 1: know you're gonna get twenty a Nate, and and all

1084
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 1: I gotta do is this. You know, it shuffled things up,

1085
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 1: you know, right, So now obviously Bronze gone, that's giving

1086
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: you the way more responsibility back on both of you

1087
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 1: guys place because I'm sure what you're accepted with open arts.

1088
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 1: But then shortly after that is when you start dealing

1089
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 1: with your health issues. Did you know how serious they

1090
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: were at the time initially or did they continue to progress?

1091
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 1: Talk to us about that it continued to progress and

1092
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 1: went from a problem or it's like, man, I really

1093
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 1: do feel kind of as weird when I breathe, Man,

1094
00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: what's going on? To fully debilitated? I can't even it

1095
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 1: hurts to move, you know. And then I went to

1096
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 1: the hospital. Uh, and yeah, I was there for about

1097
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 1: two weeks. I thought I was only gonna be there

1098
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: about five six days. On the fifth on the fifth day,

1099
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 1: I can't remember exactly when, but on the fifth day, uh,

1100
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 1: they told me I needed surgery. They dreamed my lung

1101
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 1: and then if you ever had the lunge drain, it sucks,

1102
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 1: and so they dreamed my lung. And then I thought

1103
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: I was gonna go home. But then more doctors came

1104
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 1: in and told me like, yeah, we're gonna have to

1105
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: go in there, and you've developed these things, therefore you

1106
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 1: need surgery. And I was there for another week and

1107
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: a half pretty much. Um, and you know I didn't leave.

1108
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 1: You don't mind if you don't mind, explained to our

1109
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 1: viewers and our fans, what exactly had happened to you? So?

1110
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 1: I had turns out. I went to the doctor. I

1111
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 1: had to collapse long and took me to the emergency room.

1112
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: They performed CT scans and all these things. I had

1113
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 1: pulmonary embolisms, uh in my lung. So that's a blood

1114
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 1: cloud in your lung. And um, pretty much I went

1115
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 1: from playing an All Star game on Sunday too pretty much,

1116
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 1: I think Tuesday them telling me the next twenty four

1117
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 1: hours of critical you know. So I was like, all right,

1118
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 1: you know, I got the thing in my nose, you

1119
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 1: know so, um, and then I didn't leave that place

1120
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 1: for a couple of weeks, you know. Um. You know

1121
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 1: it put things into perspective for me. And then even

1122
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 1: after that, we still I was able to bounce back.

1123
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 1: Then again it happened again, same time and All Star weekend,

1124
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 1: and that was the last time I played, you know, so,

1125
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 1: and I didn't have any pain or anything during that time.

1126
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 1: It really was difficult, you know, rehabbing pretty much. I

1127
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 1: had not had to learn how to walk again. But

1128
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:56,919
Speaker 1: the most I could do was walk down the hall

1129
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 1: and back, and then I have to get in bed.

1130
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 1: For another twenty hours, you know. Um, you know, Um,

1131
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 1: the hardest part the second time was just me trying

1132
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 1: to do the right thing and saying, oh, man, I

1133
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:11,919
Speaker 1: feel this or I feel it in my calf. Man,

1134
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 1: let me just make sure I go. Let me just

1135
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 1: get checked out, just just so they could tell me

1136
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 1: I'm good. And then I didn't play basketball after that.

1137
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 1: So and it was tough because I was in good shape.

1138
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 1: I mean, me and Pat we talked about it. We

1139
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 1: had man, we had a squad. Man. I felt not

1140
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 1: to say that we were gonna win it all, but

1141
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 1: we could have competed still still still too Hall of Famers,

1142
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 1: being as competitive, being as competitive as you were, How

1143
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 1: hard was it coming to the realization understanding that, you know,

1144
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 1: thirty thirty one, you still got another eight the way

1145
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 1: you played probably ten years later your career and you

1146
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 1: had you had to decide like, like this health is

1147
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 1: really gonna remove me from the game. Like how did

1148
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 1: you come to grips with that? Tim? That's really it?

1149
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 1: Just time And uh, I was so mad and frustrated. Um,

1150
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 1: all those guys that we were talking about earlier, I

1151
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 1: wanted to be like them, you know, in that thing

1152
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 1: and in those guys thirteen year career, it's kind of

1153
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 1: like the bottom tier. You know. I wanted to I

1154
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 1: wanted to establish myself in the record books. I wanted

1155
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 1: to establish myself without Bron To be honest with you,

1156
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 1: we wanted to win without him. To be honest, it's

1157
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 1: like he you know, not he wanted to win without us.

1158
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 1: But I think it's something to say, you know, Shock

1159
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 1: one without Kobe, Kobe one without Shock. You know. Um,

1160
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 1: I wanted to put myself in that category and on

1161
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 1: that pedestal. And uh, I wanted to help d get

1162
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 1: back to that status as well. And I mean we man,

1163
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 1: we had a really I really felt really good about

1164
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 1: our team. We were like in second and third place.

1165
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 1: We we had a round all start break. We said, okay,

1166
01:02:58,040 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 1: we do We played our cards right, we do were

1167
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 1: suppos to do. We could get it at number two

1168
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 1: seed ship if we get to the Eastern Conference finals. Hey,

1169
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 1: you know, let's let's let's play some ball. I'm not

1170
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 1: worried about it at all, you know. So we were

1171
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 1: very very confident. Um, it just wasn't to be. But

1172
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 1: I eventually just came to the realization that what else

1173
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 1: do you want you know, don't be greedy. You did everything,

1174
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:22,720
Speaker 1: bro Um. I was talking to me and my man,

1175
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 1: Maverick Carter. We're just talking and I, you know, I said, man,

1176
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:32,000
Speaker 1: it didn't happen the way it was supposed to happen.

1177
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 1: He said, it never happens the way it was supposed

1178
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 1: to happen. And when he said that, I was like, oh, damn,

1179
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 1: you're right, and it kind of put me in the

1180
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 1: mode to where I have to figure something else out

1181
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 1: because you know, heaven forbid if something happened while I'm

1182
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 1: on the court, which has been plenty of times. You know,

1183
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 1: I feel like I got away with enough because people

1184
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 1: have died for way less. You know, Once you know

1185
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, I was like, right, cool, I should

1186
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 1: be here because usually the people that have the thing

1187
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 1: that I have, you know what I'm saying, they're not

1188
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 1: here anymore. So I kind of took that to heart

1189
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 1: and just you know, just really moved on, got it

1190
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 1: out my system, and just moved on. Was it a

1191
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 1: difficult transition with with all that being said? Known, you

1192
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 1: still had a lot in the tank while you're so

1193
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:25,720
Speaker 1: you're thirty two years old, now thirty one years old, Um,

1194
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 1: what was that transition like just to go in you know,

1195
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 1: now you're in the house every day with your family

1196
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 1: and it's just you're watching your friends continue to move forward.

1197
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 1: Was there a mental block there or mental frustration or

1198
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:40,600
Speaker 1: anything you went through having to watch that, So that

1199
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 1: kind of I knew I wasn't gonna play after that. Um.

1200
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 1: And then you know, d got traded back to Miami

1201
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:49,720
Speaker 1: later that year, and I was so happy for him,

1202
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:52,640
Speaker 1: but I was so hurt at the same time, you know,

1203
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:57,120
Speaker 1: just just you know, him being able to get that chance, um,

1204
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:00,200
Speaker 1: to to go back and have those moments. You know, Uh,

1205
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 1: I felt I deserved them, but I wasn't getting them.

1206
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 1: And it is what it is. You know, a very

1207
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:07,920
Speaker 1: small percentage of guys in the league get that. You know,

1208
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 1: you realize how special that is. And then really, um,

1209
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 1: you know, you know, I gotta get credit to my family. Man,

1210
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 1: they held me together. We we had just had our twins. Um,

1211
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 1: they were super young. Um, they needed me. My wife

1212
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 1: needed me to kind of focus on the family. UM.

1213
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 1: You know, I had a lot of things I had

1214
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 1: to clean up from from things in the past, you know,

1215
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 1: so you know, you don't know that, but when you're

1216
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 1: done playing. You guys know, you got a lot of stuff,

1217
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 1: a lot of free time. You don't you don't realize

1218
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:50,720
Speaker 1: how much time. You don't realize how much time basketball

1219
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 1: takes until you're not doing it no more. And in

1220
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 1: the summertime, when you know we're working out two or

1221
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 1: three times a day and were such creatures a habit,

1222
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 1: we don't realize what avoid that field when we remove ourselves.

1223
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 1: I mean, if you think about it, we play our

1224
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:08,439
Speaker 1: seasons eight or nine months if you're lucky. If you're lucky,

1225
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 1: then you take three or four months off then you

1226
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 1: start training. So we're really on eleven out of twelve

1227
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 1: months a year. We're on. Yeah, all of a sudden,

1228
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 1: it's just not there and them, it's just like, holy

1229
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:20,840
Speaker 1: sh it, I got a whole life early thirties, you

1230
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 1: got a whole life that in front of you still.

1231
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, am I am I? And you know, my

1232
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 1: babies were babies. You know, I had babies. We had babies,

1233
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 1: you know, and that was that was a challenge, um,

1234
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 1: and especially for me, I realized how much my wife

1235
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:38,760
Speaker 1: did you know, Like I remember one morning coming downstairs

1236
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:42,480
Speaker 1: and all the kids are playing and I'm just like, Damn,

1237
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 1: they're loud. They're so loud. I looked at my wife

1238
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:50,200
Speaker 1: and they always just last you know, every day. IM

1239
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 1: usually taking me, Yeah, I'm usually playing my you know,

1240
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:55,200
Speaker 1: taking my pregame nap and she gets them into the

1241
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 1: into the playroom so they could make noise there. And

1242
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:02,200
Speaker 1: you know, those things, uh took some getting used to.

1243
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:06,439
Speaker 1: But I like to say, I hope hopefully I fell

1244
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 1: into the role of dad pretty good now and and

1245
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 1: I've got a pretty good sense, uh since for what

1246
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:15,360
Speaker 1: I'm doing. But like at first, um, it was a

1247
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 1: challenge kind of readjusting everything and at the same time,

1248
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out what the hell I'm gonna

1249
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 1: do with the rest of my life, you know, and

1250
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 1: and what kind of uh, what kind of message I'm

1251
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:28,280
Speaker 1: gonna leave and all that stuff. I mean, I never

1252
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 1: saw myself not playing basketball at thirty two, you know.

1253
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 1: I wanted to play at least until thirty six. I

1254
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 1: just turned thirty six, you know, so it's like, damn,

1255
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 1: all right, well I'm in this position. I just have to,

1256
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 1: you know, learn how to how to be a civilian

1257
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:49,200
Speaker 1: and figure this thing out. M M. It's a lot

1258
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:53,680
Speaker 1: different um thoughts thoughts on the twenty twenty Hall of

1259
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 1: Fame class Rest in Peace, Star Brother, Code, KG and Duncan. Guys,

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Speaker 1: you had battles with thoughts on that class. I got

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Speaker 1: to say, amazing class. I wanted to be a part

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Speaker 1: of it. I know, you know, people were like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I agree, but look, let me tell you something. I

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Speaker 1: wanted to be a part of it. That's all I say. But, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, one of the best classes ever. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, I hate that Code isn't here to to

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Speaker 1: be able to experience that and for us to experience

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Speaker 1: his presence. I mean I got to go to the

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame induction for Ray and just to see

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's a special thing just to see all

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Speaker 1: the greats, you know, show up. It was like the

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Speaker 1: Basketball Avengers every year. You know what I'm saying. You

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Speaker 1: see like Damn Bill Rugs, Bill Bill in this Joane.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean with it? Back? You know,

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Speaker 1: everybody's there and and I know for sure it's still

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Speaker 1: will happen. But um, there's just the amount of people

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Speaker 1: that those guys inspired and and and and how they

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Speaker 1: I think if you take those three guys the way

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Speaker 1: they change the game. Um, for guys in my generation. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, it was, it was, it was really really amazing.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, I'm I'm you know, unored for those guys.

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Speaker 1: I'm very happy for him. I hate that Kobe's not here.

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Speaker 1: It will kind of be a dark cloud over it.

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Speaker 1: But still we should we should appreciate those, uh, those

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Speaker 1: guys accomplishments. Nonetheless, it's a lot of that's a lot

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Speaker 1: of it's a lot of hardware in that in that

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Speaker 1: in that uh, in that group right there, And that's

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Speaker 1: just the individual hardware. We can get to the team

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Speaker 1: stuff later. Just the individual hardware. You know, it's uh,

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Speaker 1: it's amazing. Yeah, all right, man, we're almost done here.

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Speaker 1: We got quick hitters. Um, you're starting five lineup from

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Speaker 1: port former teammates. Yeah, you're all time starting lineup. You

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Speaker 1: can include yourself, you can come off the bench however

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Speaker 1: you want the slice, I hopefully you know gotta have

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Speaker 1: you gotta have a three in there. You already know, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you gotta have the three. Um man, you know what,

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Speaker 1: to be honest with you, about to just go with

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Speaker 1: the five that we had not with like teammates on

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Speaker 1: the quarter, teammates like just great teammates. No, don't just

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Speaker 1: people you played with period, anyone from Toronto, anyone from Braun.

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Speaker 1: You gotta play a game. We gotta play a game. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you gotta battle somebody. Gotta battle somebody yet, Big three,

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Speaker 1: Vince for sure, and uh, you know, if we're playing

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Speaker 1: the day, I suppose I played the five, give me

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Speaker 1: Shane for that, for that to be that glue. You

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. We need that glue. So so

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Speaker 1: you bron d Wade, Vince and Shane. Yeah, solid five.

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Speaker 1: Jack skipped the next one and go to the artist

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Speaker 1: because he already top five? Are they of all time? Oh? Boy? Artists? Artists?

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know you gotta put uh you know,

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Speaker 1: you gotta put Mike and Prince in there for sure. Man,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna put I'm gonna put baby Face in there too.

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Speaker 1: And and he's more than just an artist. I mean

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Speaker 1: he's he's an artist too, but he's a monstrous songwriting

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Speaker 1: I mean I want Grammy party. Yeah, dude, this bro,

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Speaker 1: he got like a hunting Grammys or something crazy. Um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're definitely gonna go go ahead, Teddy, you get your

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Speaker 1: connection ready and I'll sing to the ladies. I'll sing

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Speaker 1: to the ladies, Teddy bro. I'm I'm gonna have to

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Speaker 1: go with Jay z Uh because he's elongated wrap. Nobody

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Speaker 1: thought that you could still wrap uh. But he's continued

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Speaker 1: to put our projects and stuff, and you know, just

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Speaker 1: his cultural impact. You know what I'm saying. Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: I gotta go with you, Oh, old kanyeah old Kanye

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Speaker 1: old yeah earlier, could you be solid? Hey? I tell people, man,

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Speaker 1: college dropout Kanye could have been president. Yes, yes, I

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Speaker 1: drop out man, straight up, straight up college college dropout.

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Speaker 1: Kanye could have definitely been president. And I just had

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Speaker 1: to go and one more. I'm had to go with Usher,

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Speaker 1: my man Usher. You know what, I had to go

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Speaker 1: with my very underrated that's just definitely an all time great. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: definitely gets looked over. Five five dinner guests, dead or alive.

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Speaker 1: I'm a Barack Alpaccino, nice scarface, my grandfather, Okay, Daddy

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Speaker 1: Jack Bosh, Daddy Jack Bosh Uh, Malcolm X and Martin

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Speaker 1: Martin Luther the King. You gotta solid. Let's go be

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Speaker 1: put some wine, a couple of guards, maybe a couple

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Speaker 1: of joints of ain't come out. Oh Okay, So this

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Speaker 1: next question, who do you think we should have on

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Speaker 1: all the Smoke? But before you answer, you have to

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Speaker 1: help us get this guess. Oh, shoot, who I think

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Speaker 1: you should have on all the Smoke? Man? We we

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Speaker 1: we had, we already had one of the big We

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Speaker 1: already had one of the Big three and will be

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Speaker 1: nice to complete it. We're missing one of the Big three.

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Speaker 1: Gang gang came. Man. I don't want to make no

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Speaker 1: premises there. Man, I don't know. Man, that's a good

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Speaker 1: as question. Man, I shoot, who should you have? Man?

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Speaker 1: I want to want to say somebody outside of because

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Speaker 1: you guys do so it's such a wide net, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean. How About I'll give you a suggestion.

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Speaker 1: How About I'll give you a suggestion because because I

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Speaker 1: know you know this person? Yeah, pat Riley, Oh you

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Speaker 1: should have you should have. That'd be dope. That's a

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Speaker 1: gold episode. That's a gold episode. But I'm about to say, Hey,

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Speaker 1: between Bron and Pat, I don't I don't know who's

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Speaker 1: harder to Yeah, Pattis. Pattis, pat got more rings than anybody. Man.

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Speaker 1: I just when we have dinner, it's like, Man, it's

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Speaker 1: so good to see you. I appreciate you man. You

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Speaker 1: know what, I got to see you man. It'll be

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Speaker 1: a while. Let's get everything in down and our lunch.

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Speaker 1: You know right. That's a rap. Chris, thank you for

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Speaker 1: your time, my brother. Appreciate you man. Thank you guys man,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, oh yeah, don't talk about it. Thank you

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Speaker 1: to our guests, Chris Bosh for his time. You can

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Speaker 1: catch us on Showtime Basketball YouTube in the I Heart

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Speaker 1: platform under the Black Effects. See you all next week. Chris.

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Speaker 1: Thanks bro. We appreciate it, man, appreciate take it easy.

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Speaker 1: Good to see you bro. Thanks for your time, bro.

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Speaker 1: Good to see you bro. This is all a Smoke,

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Speaker 1: a production of The Black Effect and Our Heart Radio

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