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Speaker 1: Advice, sugar spice, It's time hell.

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Speaker 2: Level live loll Welcome to the Naughty Vanica. I'm your

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Speaker 2: house drum shooter. And it is Wednesday, which means a

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Speaker 2: dear friend Donny meetscham joined us. Hey, Donnie, are you there?

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Speaker 3: Hello La La Hello?

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Speaker 1: It is the week after the holidays?

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Speaker 3: HOLI Dace.

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Speaker 2: Did you have a nice holiday? Did you spend?

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Speaker 1: We had a friend of mine from high school actually

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Speaker 1: was here.

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Speaker 2: Well that's a long time, though, isn't.

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Speaker 1: I've known literally, we've known each other.

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Speaker 3: You thirty over, I'd say over thirty fifty.

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Speaker 2: It's fabulous.

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Speaker 1: Oh, she's birthday here, but she was escaping her husband.

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Speaker 3: You know, she's fleeing.

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Speaker 1: Oh.

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Speaker 2: I like that. You hold on to your friend, You

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Speaker 2: really do for somebody who was as unreliable as you. Donnay,

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Speaker 2: when it comes to friends, you hold on to them. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but you know what, I think it's a nice I

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Speaker 2: don't mean.

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Speaker 1: There's I don't mean there's braggadotus or anything. My friends

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Speaker 1: hold on to me, And I think that says something

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Speaker 1: about that, Like big people would say, yes, my friends,

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Speaker 1: I'm a good friend, and I will I'm a good

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Speaker 1: friend say that.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's did I make that all about me?

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Speaker 3: I do, well, of course he did.

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Speaker 2: He's wicked into my show. What time is it?

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Speaker 3: My friends?

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Speaker 2: It is Tea Times and Matt Lauer, no surprise, wants

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Speaker 2: to come back to media. So people my seen him

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Speaker 2: report in this. I've been reporting this basically for eight

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Speaker 2: years since the day he left the Today Show. He

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Speaker 2: misses it. He wants to come back, but he is

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Speaker 2: the catch. The media that Matt wants to come back

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Speaker 2: to doesn't exist anymore. Legacy media.

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Speaker 3: It's over.

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Speaker 2: Those days of earning fifteen million dollars a year, it

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Speaker 2: is over. They just don't get the viewers. Cable news

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Speaker 2: is in terrible trouble. What is Matt going to do?

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Speaker 2: Is he going to join TikTok? Is he going to

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Speaker 2: get a YouTube channel? He's going to be Don Lemon.

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Speaker 2: He's not going to be interviewing people in the street.

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Speaker 2: Megan Kelly is doing really, really well, but she's saying

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Speaker 2: very controversial stuff and that gets her. Like, Matt isn't

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Speaker 2: a controversial person. What he did was very controversial, but

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Speaker 2: that's what in this world we live in with the housewives,

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Speaker 2: was Megan Kelly, with people screaming at us. I think

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Speaker 2: it's going to be very hard for Matt to find

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Speaker 2: a job. Several years ago, I was the first one

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Speaker 2: to report that he was in talks with C and N.

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Speaker 2: Jeff Zucker, who used to be the executive producer of

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Speaker 2: see where he's going to go. If you think of

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Speaker 2: all the places now where people pop up, let's go

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Speaker 2: over them. YouTube. He's not doing that, reality TV, he

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Speaker 2: ain't doing Dancing with the Stars. It's not going to happen.

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Speaker 2: Legacy media, fantastic, but where they don't exist anymore, and

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Speaker 2: they're certainly not paying the money that Matt was earning

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Speaker 2: what a decade ago. So he's not scrappy. He wants

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Speaker 2: a platform. One person told me he does not want

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Speaker 2: a ring light. A lot of us now, Donnie, are

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Speaker 2: sitting here doing podcasting, We're doing TikTok videos, We're doing

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Speaker 2: I was never as successful as Matt, but I was

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Speaker 2: in the mainstream media for a very long time did

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Speaker 2: well in it. It was delicious. Those days are gone,

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Speaker 2: the days of going on those shows and making a

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Speaker 2: Matt wants to come back. Hello, that ain't that great?

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Speaker 2: Bigger news, is it? Of course he wants to come back,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's this.

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Speaker 1: Is a dirty little secret now, you know, these podcasting this.

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Speaker 3: It's not glamorous. What we do is not glamorous anymore.

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Speaker 3: It's like the days. I was talking about this with

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Speaker 1: Is like the radio days like you used to go

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Speaker 1: your own board, you produce your own stuff. You you know,

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Speaker 1: you find your own stories, You do everything yourself. But

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Speaker 3: But do I think there is a space for him

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Speaker 3: to have a comeback? Oddly yes, do I care enough

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Speaker 1: I mean I'm because I unfortunately would never be able

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Speaker 1: But if there's anything America loves, I mean, hello, we

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Speaker 3: America a comeback?

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Speaker 2: I still love a comeback. So Matt could beat that story.

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Speaker 2: But where would he do it? I was thinking about it,

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Speaker 2: and it's easy to roll your eyes at Don Lemon.

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Speaker 2: But Don does the work. He gets up every day

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Speaker 2: and he makes his videos and he does he ticked

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Speaker 2: up in. He does all that. Matt doesn't want to

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Speaker 2: And he would be probably the first to admit that.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I'm dissinging him here begging Kelly not

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Speaker 2: She never stops. She just constantly keeps going do you remember, Donnie,

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Speaker 2: when I used to come up to Serious XM and

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Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing though, if you think about it,

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Speaker 2: It does lose it.

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Speaker 2: It does lose it straw, doesn't it Your absolutely right there?

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Speaker 2: And what Serious is looking for is to hire somebody

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Speaker 2: the way to get on Serious is to start a small,

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Speaker 2: And that's what you have to do to survive this.

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Speaker 2: We know people who are no Matt Lauers. We know

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Speaker 2: people in this business who just didn't want to do

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Speaker 2: of the day. No surprise, Matt wants back on television. However,

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Speaker 2: Would you watch Mat? If Matt came back in a

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Speaker 2: Hey Donnie Love, what are you working.

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Speaker 1: know Woody Allen jokes, no jokes about Allen, And it's

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Speaker 1: She has supported Woody Allen for a really long time,

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Speaker 3: And so therefore, Noboody.

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Speaker 2: I have no Barry Manelow jokes on this podcast because

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