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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Scott Peterson, convicted of murdering

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Speaker 1: his pregnant wife, Lacey and their unborn child, Connor now

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Speaker 1: speaks out from behind bars. What happened to testifying at trial?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you can't get cross examined now. And his

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Speaker 1: big reveal quote, I'm in a hole. That's going to

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Speaker 1: help him get a new trial. I'm Nancy Grace. This

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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. Cop

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Speaker 1: search the home of Scott and Lacy Peterson twice after

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Speaker 1: Lacy's disappearance. The second search left them in shock. The

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Speaker 1: second search leaves him in shot in the last days.

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Speaker 1: A release, A release of Scott Peterson speaking out. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: maybe I've got this best actwords, but to you Cheryl McCollum,

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Speaker 1: Director the Cold Case Research Institute, forensic expert, host of

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Speaker 1: a brand new hit series Zone seven podcasts, just now

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Speaker 1: speaking out? Really Shanny have done that when Lacy went missing?

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Speaker 1: Remember all the vigils, Or he wouldn't speak because he

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Speaker 1: didn't want his mistress to see him on TV. Wouldn't

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Speaker 1: that have been a great time to speak out? Or

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Speaker 1: how about when he was at trial, wouldn't that have

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Speaker 1: been a wonderful time to tell what really happened to Lacy.

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Speaker 2: Nancy while his wife was missing. Would have been a

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Speaker 2: great time to make an outcry during the trial. He

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Speaker 2: had all of that time to come forward. He's had

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Speaker 2: the last twenty years, twenty years to come out and

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Speaker 2: tell us what happened, who he thinks did it, where

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Speaker 2: the police aren't looking. He has failed at every turn

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Speaker 2: to lead law enforcement on the right track.

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Speaker 1: You know, let me throw a technical legal term at

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Speaker 1: you share the column. There have been a crap ton

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Speaker 1: of theories floated out there by the defense, including Mark

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Speaker 1: Gerrigosligh profile lawyer that represented Peterson at trial, and others

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Speaker 1: including his family. Do you remember there was the Hawaiian

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Speaker 1: gang that they said got Lacey. There was the gang

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Speaker 1: that wanted to get Lacey and cut the baby out

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Speaker 1: of her stomach. There was that one. Now they're really

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Speaker 1: honing in on the burglars across the street, and I'm

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Speaker 1: referring to the burglars that police found behind bars and

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Speaker 1: questioned and polygraphed those burglars. So he's honing in on

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Speaker 1: one specific defense now twenty plus years later, but at

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Speaker 1: the time, all sorts of defenses were floated as a

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Speaker 1: possibility and then retracted. So it's like they're fishing. They're fishing.

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Speaker 1: They're always looking for the BBD, the bigger, better deal.

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Speaker 2: Well, they were going to let the idea that somebody

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Speaker 2: cut the baby out, they murder her because they wanted

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Speaker 2: the baby until the baby washed up with her. Well,

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Speaker 2: then they had to abandon that. Well, now it's going

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Speaker 2: to be this orange van. And the van was found

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Speaker 2: a mile from her home. But keep in mind that

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Speaker 2: means they would have had to have kidnapped Lacy, driven

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Speaker 2: her to the Bay of San Francisco, dumped her in

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Speaker 2: the baby, then drove back to the scene of the crime. Basically,

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Speaker 2: nobody's going to believe that happened.

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Speaker 1: Hold on, you left out something. All that's correct. Cheryl

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Speaker 1: McCollum to Troy Slayton, high profile defense attorney joining us

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Speaker 1: from the California jurisdiction, Troyce Slayton, they would have to

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Speaker 1: the real killer. Ooh, I feel like I'm talking about

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Speaker 1: OJ Simpson again. Ah, Troyce Slayton, the real killer that

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Speaker 1: Schoyel was referring to, would have had to have done

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Speaker 1: all that with Lacey's body at the San Francisco Bay.

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Speaker 1: At the same time, Scott Peterson is there fishing. Wow,

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Speaker 1: what a going.

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Speaker 3: You think, Well, wouldn't it be nice, Nancy if the

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Speaker 3: police did a full and complete and accurate investigation in

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Speaker 3: this case and didn't withhold any evidence from the court

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Speaker 3: or the defense team. What we know and you've discussed

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Speaker 3: many times a Brady violation in this case, there was

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Speaker 3: an eyewitness who saw a pregnant woman being put into

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Speaker 4: Don't you think that's.

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Speaker 1: An important itsy bitsy.

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Speaker 3: Fat a pregnant woman being put into a van.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of let me put you through a lightning round.

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Speaker 1: That's a quick Q and a where you say yes

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Speaker 1: or no. Troy Slayton, isn't it true that the defense

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Speaker 1: under our jurisprudence, has the right to call witnesses, question them,

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Speaker 1: examined the state's witness and more specifically, bring on their

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Speaker 1: own scientific evidence if they've got any. Isn't that true

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Speaker 1: under the sixth Amendment? Yes, nay, that is true.

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Speaker 3: But wouldn't it be nice And it's the government's responsibility

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Speaker 3: to test all the evidence?

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Speaker 1: And there's a.

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Speaker 3: Big issue now, Nancy, as you know that there's some

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Speaker 3: DNA evidence that wasn't even tested in this case.

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Speaker 1: Guess what I saw yesterday. I saw a van on

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Speaker 1: the side of I eighty five. It was abandoned. You

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Speaker 1: hit too. There's all sorts of vehicles out there that

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Speaker 1: could be connected to Lacy Peterson's death, but they're not.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe you're pinning false hopes on a van

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Speaker 1: that was concocted in the area around the time Lacey

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Speaker 1: went missing. You know what, go ahead, do the DNA testing.

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Speaker 1: I'd be mad if you didn't, because, you know what,

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Speaker 1: it's not going to have Lacy Peterson or Scott Peterson's

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Speaker 1: DNA on it. Why because it's not related Back to

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Speaker 1: the special that is special that has just dropped. Take

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Speaker 1: a listen, guys to our friends at Peacock. Why did

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Speaker 1: you keep talking to Amber Frye after Lacy disappeared. I

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Speaker 1: was searching for my family.

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Speaker 5: I wanted to search tea continue stay in contact with

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Speaker 5: Amber fiden and she would get into the picture of

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Speaker 5: complicated really to search.

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Speaker 1: For Joining me is investigative reporter and journalist Susan Hendrix,

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Speaker 1: who covered Scott Peterson's trial every single day, author of

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Speaker 1: a brand new book, Down the Hill, My descend into

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Speaker 1: the double murder in Delphi regarding the murder of the

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Speaker 1: two little girls, Abby and Libby and Delphi were waiting

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Speaker 1: for that trial to start. Susan, hen, did you hear

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Speaker 1: what Scott Peterson said in the special for those of

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Speaker 1: you that can't see him? Definitely using air quotes on Peacock.

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Speaker 1: He says, question, why did you keep talking to Amber

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Speaker 1: five after Lacey disappeared? Answer? I was searching for my family. No,

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Speaker 1: he wasn't. I don't recall him ever searching, going out

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Speaker 1: on any search for Lacey. Next, I wanted the search

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Speaker 1: to continue, stay in contact with Amber, I thought, and

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Speaker 1: she wouldn't get into the picture, complicate it and ruin

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Speaker 1: the search for Lacy and Connor. So by telling the truth,

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Speaker 1: what did he think that Lacey's family would stop searching

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Speaker 1: for her? This doesn't even make any sense. Even now,

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Speaker 1: under no threat of cross examination, Peterson is still lying.

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Speaker 1: You know what, Just tell the truth. I was having

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Speaker 1: a sex affair. I didn't want anybody to know because

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Speaker 1: then they think I did it. That's the answer.

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Speaker 6: He doesn't stop lying it would stood out to me

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Speaker 6: because I believe that Amberfry really was the key to

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Speaker 6: this case, and those phone calls that the jurors were able.

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Speaker 7: To hear, he's still lying.

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Speaker 6: Throughout the documentary, I found that he had an answer

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Speaker 6: for everything with a smile on his face. By the way,

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Speaker 6: and that first slide that we just showed Nancy with

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Speaker 6: Lacey in the chair with the red outfit on.

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Speaker 7: I watched both documentaries.

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Speaker 6: There's also another one out that really focuses on Lacey.

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Speaker 7: This picture here.

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Speaker 6: What we realize is that she was at a Christmas

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Speaker 6: party with her friends this same night that Scott Peterson

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Speaker 6: took that infamous photo, now with Amber Fry, and a

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Speaker 6: jerk came out and said, look, as soon as I

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Speaker 7: Thought, there's no way this guy's guilty. There's no way

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Speaker 6: But then he said, a story was built and it

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Speaker 6: was circumstantial, but wow, he said that Amberfry and those

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Speaker 6: phone calls really showed what a liar he was and

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Speaker 6: continues to be.

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Speaker 1: What did you observe in the Epeacock special? What did

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Speaker 1: you serve about his demeanor? Susan Hendrix, It.

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Speaker 7: Was the same tone to me. I always remember his

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Speaker 7: voice with Diane Sawyer.

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Speaker 6: Of oh yeah, just low tone, like he's sad, but

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Speaker 6: he's not really sad.

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Speaker 7: There are no tears now.

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Speaker 6: It was like a joker smirk and had an answer

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Speaker 6: for everything and pinning it on the cops as they do.

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Speaker 6: And the investigators seemed formulated to me, just with a

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Speaker 6: joker smile, this time with the backdrop of prison.

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Speaker 1: You know. Cheryl McCollum joining me, and I want Karen starting

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Speaker 1: to jump in on this. Don't worry about Rason. I'm

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Speaker 1: circling back to you, Cheryl. Just yesterday, you and I

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Speaker 1: and others were with the mother of Melissa Wolfenbarker. Melissa

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Speaker 1: Wolfen Barker was murdered many many years ago. It's a

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Speaker 1: cold case, just got cracked. Her mother and I were

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Speaker 1: sitting there and we both broke into tears. I gathered

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Speaker 1: myself because I don't want to cry in front of her,

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Speaker 1: but I was crying because she was crying. I felt

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Speaker 1: so bad for her. And Melissa's sister was there, just stonefaced.

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Speaker 1: I've never seen even a tangential victim of murder joke

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Speaker 1: about it or smirk about it. Now that's anecdotal. In

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Speaker 1: other words, I don't have statistics on this, but I

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Speaker 1: know what I've seen. After prosecuting literally thousands of violent felonies,

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Speaker 1: I've never seen anyone joke or smirk about it. Ever.

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Speaker 2: You know, I go back to the first thing that

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Speaker 2: I ever heard him kind of list out for everybody.

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Speaker 2: And that's what he did the day she was missing.

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Speaker 2: He gets home from fishing, or car is there, the

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Speaker 2: he do, Nancy, Does he panic immediately? Does he start

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Speaker 2: calling friends and family? No, He takes a shower, He

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Speaker 2: he calls her mom and almost casually says Lacey's missing,

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Speaker 7: But he doesn't call the police. He's not in a panic.

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Speaker 2: He's not out in the street calling her name, running

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Speaker 2: people go look for her. From the minute this happened,

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Speaker 2: he never freaked out, never showed concern.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, here's the thing to you, Troy Slayton.

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Speaker 1: Does he think we're all idiots? Maybe he does, because

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Speaker 1: I've only got so far. I've played what three sentences

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Speaker 1: that he said, and already I can cut him shreds

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Speaker 1: with a butter knife. It's not even hard. You know,

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Speaker 1: in kindergarten they give the children the glue and a

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Speaker 1: the edge. I can shred them to pieces with a

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Speaker 1: set of those already, after three sentences, he's lying. He

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Speaker 1: didn't go search for her. He's lying about why he

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Speaker 1: didn't reveal about amber Fry. He made a big lie

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Speaker 1: about why he stayed in contact with Amberfry after Lacey

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Speaker 1: went missing. He's already told three lies in three sentences.

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Speaker 3: So he's admittedly an a hole, Nancy, and that's why

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Speaker 3: he wouldn't want a prosecutor with your skills.

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Speaker 1: I don't care if he's a red rashy ahle. I

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Speaker 1: care if he's lying, but if if he's lying, he's

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Speaker 1: covering something up.

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Speaker 3: If he testifies and you bring these things out, then

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Speaker 3: it's all about what a horrible man he is, because

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Speaker 3: he's an adulterer.

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Speaker 4: It ceases to.

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Speaker 3: Be about the dead woman and the dead baby. So

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Speaker 3: this is why he didn't use his constitutional right to.

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Speaker 3: He says he wishes, he wishes that he could, and

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Speaker 1: Oh I bet he. No, he will never testify because

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Speaker 1: Nobody cares. Nobody cares. Ahole, I can't name him. Twenty

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Speaker 1: Okay, you know what, it's just Karen Stark lying. You

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Speaker 1: But when your wife is missing and now all these

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Speaker 4: I don't know what.

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Speaker 1: Because he makes that logical liar, Nancy.

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Speaker 7: That's who he is.

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Speaker 1: He's a narcissist.

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Speaker 9: A pathological liar, and do we really want to believe

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Speaker 9: He was telling am Befry as he kept lying to

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Speaker 9: You know, I was just sleeping with her. He was

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Speaker 1: That is just who he is.

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Speaker 9: It's his nature. He can't help himself.

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Speaker 10: Investigators were alarmed by the state of the Peterson home.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the home was completely shambolic, and I can tell

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Speaker 1: I was totally irritated by this. Why speak now when

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Speaker 1: wanted to keep Amber Fry a secret. Well, okay, this

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Speaker 4: Ever?

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Speaker 11: Mary here? Ever? Hey, happy here?

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Speaker 1: I want to call you.

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Speaker 10: Thank you?

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Speaker 11: Right there? Yeah, I wish you could gain I'm on

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Speaker 11: Ever you're there, I can't hear right now. I'll call

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Speaker 1: So let me understand something. Cheryl McCollum constantly calling Amber Fry.

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Speaker 1: But by the way, that phone call was during the

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Speaker 1: vigil for his wife and unborn son. They were holding

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Speaker 1: a candlelight vigil for Lacey, and he's, I guess backstage,

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Speaker 1: and he said her name like fifty times. Why, I

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Speaker 1: he is in Paris, the Eiffel Tower, Paris. I thought

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Speaker 7: You know, it sticks out for me, Nancy.

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Speaker 2: Of all the things he could have done, he picked

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Speaker 2: And he didn't mention I'm sad that I'm here by myself.

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Speaker 2: He didn't say I'm missing my family, I'm missing my

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Speaker 2: he's celebrating. He's out near the Eiffel Tower, just having

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Speaker 1: Is that a vigil for his wife? Listen to more?

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Speaker 1: For me this elaborate light about her missing and that

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Speaker 3: Amber God, I don't want to play with you, but

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Speaker 7: Or oh, yes, you said you've lost your wife.

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Speaker 6: Obviously without me staying much, but we.

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Speaker 1: Were yes you did, I did, and that it would

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Speaker 1: I've spent time with Amber. She's a perfectly nice person,

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Speaker 1: working with police while Scott Peterson was walking free. Remember

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Speaker 1: Why why did he want to get her away from home,

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Speaker 12: I met Scott Peterson November twentieth, two thousand and two.

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Speaker 12: I was introduced to him. I was told he was unmarried.

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Speaker 12: Scott told me he was not married. We did have

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Speaker 12: the Lacy Peterson disappearance case, I immediately contacted the Modesto

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Speaker 1: Set out of three lines, straight out of the chute.

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Speaker 1: He's caught in multiple lies. Actually, am glad Peacock created

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Speaker 1: this special because Scott Peterson now talking, he was afraid

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Speaker 1: to do that at the time of his trial. Wouldn't

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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact. Listen to this here my trial,

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Speaker 1: I was dignant.

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Speaker 7: So I was so angry at the media because.

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Speaker 1: The reports just weren't factual.

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Speaker 5: I strived not to showed emotion the core because I

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Speaker 1: Okay, straight out to Susan Hendricks, joining US investigative reporter

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Speaker 1: and author who covered the trial from the beginning, what

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Speaker 1: do you make of him stating that he was angry

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Speaker 1: I'm angry at the person that killed my wife and son.

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Speaker 1: All I wanted was to hold Connor in my arms

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Speaker 13: Obviously using that as his excuse to not feel any emotion,

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Speaker 7: The goatee, the orange coatee and the orange hair.

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Speaker 6: They went in and out and he ordered a double hamburger,

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Speaker 6: Jurin Vanderslope with Stephanie Flores and the Danish, and you

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Speaker 6: just spoke about what was he capable of doing?

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Speaker 11: Right?

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Speaker 7: Was Amber Fry at risk? I think so when you

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Speaker 6: Other documentary I watched what was so shocking Connor's room

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Speaker 6: He was not waiting for his pregnant wife to come home,

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Speaker 1: To doctor Eric Ason, joining us startified forensic pethol just

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Speaker 1: with us. Many many weeks had passed before Lacey's body

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Speaker 4: Why that's because the body was protected.

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Speaker 14: The baby was protected within the uterus are in the

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Speaker 4: But she had to decompose first for that to happen,

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Speaker 1: Day after day after day, Scott Peterson was traced going

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Speaker 2: I think absolutely he was waiting to see if law

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Speaker 2: He's the one that gave law enforcement that ticket that

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Speaker 2: And I believe December ninth shows his premeditation. December night

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Speaker 2: Whatever he says to her December ninth, to me, I don't.

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Speaker 1: Think he told her his wife was missing. At first,

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Speaker 1: But I've got another question based on what we just

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Speaker 1: recall that testimony, Susan.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, and I remember.

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Speaker 6: The hair, of course, could be explained away with a

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Speaker 7: So the theory is.

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Speaker 6: From the prosecution that he was adhering those anchors, putting

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Speaker 7: So you have an anchor with no rope.

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Speaker 6: in the pliers, not just on the boat.

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Speaker 7: Somewhere.

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Speaker 1: Chroice Layton, high profile defense attorney joining us out of

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Speaker 1: the Scott Peterson Jurisdics in California. Troy Slayton, what would

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Speaker 1: be your response to a question relating to Lacy's hair? Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: her hair, not just a transfer of her hair onto

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Speaker 1: needlenosed pliers on his boat that she did not know about,

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Speaker 1: but intertwined, tangled up in the pliers. What did he

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Speaker 1: give her a trim?

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Speaker 3: I would say, Oh, my goodness, a wife's hair is

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Speaker 3: on her husband's tool.

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Speaker 1: I mean, her hair is probably all over his shirt.

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Speaker 1: Her hair is all over him. I mean, isn't that

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Speaker 1: ignoring my question? Isn't that question?

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Speaker 4: Was not her hair, the hair on clothing.

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Speaker 1: Just cut his might. I'm gonna try again their response.

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Speaker 1: It's a subtle but important distinction, Troy Slayton. Her hair

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Speaker 1: was not on the needle nose pliers. Her hair. It's

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Speaker 1: her hair. This is a nucleus attached. Her hair was

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Speaker 1: tangled up in the needle nose pliers twined into it.

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Speaker 1: It was not a transfer. That is my question. I'm

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Speaker 1: not asking about a transferral of hair.

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Speaker 8: I would say that in and of itself doesn't prove anything.

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Speaker 8: Where's the rest of the crime scene, where's her blood?

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Speaker 8: Where's the evidence of a struggle. Were's all the other

461
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Speaker 8: things that would be necessary for a murder and.

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Speaker 3: Disposal of a body to take place. But a single

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Speaker 3: hair caught up in applier's That hair could have gotten

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Speaker 3: there by any number of reasons. There are infinite possibilities.

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Speaker 1: Nancy, Can I jump in place?

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Speaker 7: Nancy?

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Speaker 2: Those plowers were also found in the boat. The reason

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Speaker 2: there wasn't other evidence is because those anchors weighed down

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Speaker 2: her all and her legs. That is the reason her

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Speaker 2: arms and legs were no longer attached to the torso.

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Speaker 2: Because she was being held down, there wouldn't be a

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Speaker 2: chance for any other evidence to come about.

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Speaker 10: Peterson leaves Lacy a gushy voicemail on the day she disappeared,

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Speaker 10: saying he would see her soon on his way home

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Speaker 10: from the marina. Scott insists that was normal for them,

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Speaker 10: but detectives think it was staged to make things seem normal.

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Speaker 1: Efci, I thought I was playing golf. Okay, let's hear

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Speaker 1: it from the horse's mouth. Take a listen to Scott

479
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Speaker 1: Peterson quote speaking out as if he didn't have that

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Speaker 1: chance a trial, or that chance when Lacey was missing

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Speaker 1: and all the vigils and all the press requests for

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Speaker 1: him to make a statement to help aid the search

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Speaker 1: for Lacy and Connor. That didn't happen. But now twenty

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Speaker 1: plus years later, he is quote speaking out of course,

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Speaker 1: not subject to cross examination. Take a listen to Peacock's

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Speaker 1: face to face with Scott Peterson.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there was a virguts people home, a lot of people,

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Speaker 5: and I believe that Lacy whenever there's.

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Speaker 4: To see what was going on.

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Speaker 1: That's many viewers have been, according to reports, appalled there

491
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Speaker 1: where it's not mine. Appalled at Scott Peterson's demeanor throughout

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Speaker 1: the state, throughout the Peacock Special, because he was constantly smiling.

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Speaker 1: I guess that's rule number one, Troy Slayton. You tell

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Speaker 1: your client charge with murdering his wife, don't smile and

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Speaker 1: giggle in front of anybody else. Okay, So okay, if

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Speaker 1: you do it with me alone in my office, my

497
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Speaker 1: luxurious office built on the money of dope dealers, child molesters, killers, okay,

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Speaker 1: that's a whole other can of worms. But don't giggle

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Speaker 1: and smile in front of the jury. I guess because

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Speaker 1: nobody apparently told him that.

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Speaker 3: At Peacock, every single thing that you say, every single

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Speaker 3: thing that you do can be used against you. I mean,

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Speaker 3: that's why everyone is given the famous Miranda warning you

504
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 3: have the right to remain silent. But oftentimes I've had

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Speaker 3: many clients who get diarrhea of the mouth and suddenly

506
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Speaker 3: say all sorts of things that might be helpful or

507
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 3: might be harmful. But in this case, he's asking for

508
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Speaker 3: a new trial, and the famed Los Angeles Innocence Project,

509
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 3: based in Los Angeles, they do cases nationwide, has taken

510
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Speaker 3: him as a client and are trying to get him

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Speaker 3: a new trial.

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Speaker 1: Many viewers also stated that there's no emotion in his

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Speaker 1: face or body language. In fact, one viewer states, I

514
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Speaker 1: think his brain should be scientifically looked into. He's a

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00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: strong case of psychopathy. I think he's pretended his whole

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Speaker 1: life like he's a normal human being. And Troy Slayne,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad to hear you tell your clients no smiling

518
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Speaker 1: or giggling when you're charged with murder. Let's address the

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00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: heart of what Peterson was saying. He says, well, he's

520
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: asked if you didn't do it, who did That? Burden

521
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: is not on a defendant. They don't have to prove

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Speaker 1: who did it? But he goes so far as to

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00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: say there was a burglary across the street from our house. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Susan Hendrix and Cheryl McCollum, both of you have carefully

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Speaker 1: researched that evidence and how it was brought forward at trial.

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00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: What can you tell me, Susan Hendrix about the burglary?

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Speaker 1: Is he talking about those three guys that were tracked

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00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: down behind bars and questioned and polygraphed those guys exactly?

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Speaker 6: There is some discrepancy in the investigation where I see

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Speaker 6: where the defense would of course pick up on that.

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Speaker 6: But side note, it was never It was not in trial,

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Speaker 6: so Garaghos decided to leave it out for some reason.

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00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 6: But the day that this occurred on there was some

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Speaker 6: sort of discrepancy there. And I think what you were

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Speaker 6: just speaking of was Scott Peterson. The reason why he's

536
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 6: smiling and acting weird. He doesn't know how to connect

537
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 6: the right feelings, I believe, because he has none, but

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Speaker 6: he is able to pull the wool over people's eyes,

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Speaker 6: including his sister in law, who has dedicated her life

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Speaker 6: to setting him free, even got her.

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Speaker 1: Law degree to Troy's Layton high profile defense attorney in

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Speaker 1: this jurisdiction, Troy, I'm sure that you, like I am

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Speaker 1: familiar with Mark Garghos. Would you state that he's an

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Speaker 1: excellent lawyer?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: Yes, what a lot of cases? Right? Absolutely, yes he

547
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Speaker 1: has And don't you believe, since you believe Mark Garrigos

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Speaker 1: is an excellent trial lawyer, that if he had evidence

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Speaker 1: that Scott Peterson was innocent, he would have put it

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Speaker 1: up in front of the jury. Specifically, he knew about

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00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 1: the burglars, he knew their names. We know that, but

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Speaker 1: he Mark Gergos chose not to bring it into evidence.

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Speaker 11: Why.

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Speaker 3: There are many reasons why you wouldn't want a person

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Speaker 3: to testify, or you wouldn't want to bring up something

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Speaker 3: that the jury might think is a distraction. Here, there

557
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 3: was an admitted burglary across the street, and it may

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Speaker 3: have appeared to the jury if Mark Gerghos is bringing

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Speaker 3: that in, if the defense team is bringing that in,

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Speaker 3: that it wouldn't seem as credible as if the government

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Speaker 3: brought in that evidence. So there's a lot of reasons.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, I think you've got another career. I think

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Speaker 1: you've got a secret career. As a taped answer, because

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Speaker 1: you actually came up with an answer about how if

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Speaker 1: Gargoes had a witness that could show that this burglary

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Speaker 1: was related to Lycey's disappearance. You're saying he would not

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Speaker 1: have put that up because he didn't want to distract

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Speaker 1: the jury. Okay, noted.

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Speaker 3: I'm saying that he doesn't have enough evidence to know

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Speaker 3: that that was exactly what happened. But it's Scott Peterson's

571
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 3: theory that his wife went over there not to interrupt

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Speaker 3: a burglary, but saw a disturbance across the street, checked

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Speaker 3: to see what was going on, and was suddenly kidnapped.

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Speaker 10: Peterson claims investigators did not turn over key evidence to

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Speaker 10: his defense that could have cleared him of his pregnant

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Speaker 10: wife's murder during the trial.

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Speaker 1: In the last weeks, a judge has allowed more DNA

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Speaker 1: testing for Scott Peterson. In the meantime, our friends at

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Speaker 1: Peacock have released face to face with Scott Peterson. But

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Speaker 1: here's what Scott Peterson said to our friend back at

581
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Speaker 1: the time when Lacy was missing. This is Gloria Gomez

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Speaker 1: speaking to him kov RCBS thirteen in the morning.

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Speaker 5: Twin down there alone, I feel closer to her, maybe

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Speaker 5: that's attempt.

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Speaker 1: To communicate or something. You know, it can make you

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Speaker 1: feel really close to your wife, not cheating, that can help,

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00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: you know. Here's more of Scott Paterson speaking with Gloria

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Speaker 1: Gomez ko v R.

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Speaker 5: To keep the media here, to keep them hungry for

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Speaker 5: you know, an interview with me or a picture, so

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Speaker 5: that they would keep coming.

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Speaker 4: Back, so this story won't fall through the crack.

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Speaker 1: And isn't that exactly what he's doing right now, Susan

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Speaker 1: Hendricks right now, keeping his words to keep the media hungry,

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Speaker 1: to keep them coming back.

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Speaker 6: Why his voice is like nails on a chalkboard to me, Nancy,

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Speaker 6: it's hard for me to listen to that sound. You

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Speaker 6: would think after twenty plus years, right, he's trying. He

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Speaker 6: has a new strategy. He even said about the robbery

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Speaker 6: across the street that maybe they should have brought it in.

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Speaker 7: He's second guessing certain things. But I will say he seems.

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Speaker 6: Almost chip or joking for a moment in the Peacock's

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Speaker 6: special with the journalists like Ooh, I don't want to

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Speaker 6: cry here because you know I'm in prison. I don't

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00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 6: know what's going to happen, alluding to the fact that

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Speaker 6: I'm not going to be seen.

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Speaker 7: It's tough by crying.

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Speaker 6: There's an excuse for all of his lack of emotion,

609
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Speaker 6: but the bottom line, he doesn't have it.

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Speaker 7: It doesn't exist. He's not sorry.

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Speaker 1: Doctor eric Ason is joining me renown forensic pathologist. Doctor Ason,

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Speaker 1: you have performed autopsies on many pregnant women, and when

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Speaker 1: you see a guy is being convicted of the murder

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Speaker 1: of a mom and her baby, does that have any

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Speaker 1: effect on you at all? Or do you just try

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Speaker 1: to put that out of your mind while you perform

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Speaker 1: the autoposy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I got to put it out of my mind.

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Speaker 4: You have to separate the emotion from what you're seeing.

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Speaker 14: You know, my job is to determine the cause of death,

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Speaker 14: and I entirely focus on that whenever I handle an

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Speaker 14: autopsy case.

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Speaker 4: I got to keep the emotions out of it. Somebody's

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Speaker 4: got to do it, and it's me. So that's just

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Speaker 4: kind of how I approach it.

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't have to see on McCallum, and neither

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Speaker 1: do you, not at all.

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Speaker 2: And you know, Nancy, there's been many times we haven't

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Speaker 2: been able to separate, and you know, this is one

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Speaker 2: of those things where when you watch him and you

631
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Speaker 2: remind yourself that in the last twenty years, all these

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Speaker 2: appeals have failed. No new witnesses come forward, no new

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Speaker 2: substantial evidence has come about. He is sitting there for

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Speaker 2: twenty years and the best he can come up with

635
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Speaker 2: is my petite, pregnant wife who Caine hardly walked, went

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Speaker 2: across the street to confront three criminals. Asinine, not even close.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean everybody on the panel, if you know differently,

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Speaker 1: tell me. I've never once heard him say you know what,

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Speaker 1: forget about me. I'll stay right here behind Mars. Just

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Speaker 1: help me find who murdered Lacey? Who did this? Never once,

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Speaker 1: even in this so called special by our friends at Peacock,

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Speaker 1: does he say I want the guy that murdered my wife.

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Speaker 11: Never.

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Speaker 1: He's never looking for the quote real killer Susan Hendricks.

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00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 1: Has he ever asked about Lacey?

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00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:30,919
Speaker 7: Never?

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Speaker 6: It's all about me, me, me and me and what

648
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Speaker 6: stood out to me the second search warrant of the house.

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Speaker 7: They knew what they had.

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Speaker 6: They were looking around to see what was going on

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Speaker 6: in the house, how he was living, Not one indication

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Speaker 6: that he even missed them. He sold her car, he

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Speaker 6: wanted to sell the house right away. He wanted that

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Speaker 6: chunk of his life to go away, and so we

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Speaker 6: killed his pregnant wife through her in the San Francisco

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Speaker 6: Bay and thought that everyone would just move on with

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Speaker 6: their lives, and they didn't. Sociopath and a psychopath, and

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Speaker 6: I feel like he has zero feeling. The reason why

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Speaker 6: he didn't mention them, and the reason why Lacy's family

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Speaker 6: finally decided Okay, they didn't originally think it was him,

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Speaker 6: thought okay, the way he's acting now we know it's him.

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Speaker 6: Devastatingly so they loved him, but he has no emotion

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Speaker 6: because it doesn't exist.

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Speaker 1: You go on, Peterson, keep giving those interviews, keep showing

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Speaker 1: up on streaming agents like Peacock, because if you ever

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Speaker 1: do get a new trial, which I doubt, everything you

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Speaker 1: say is going to turn into States evidence because you

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Speaker 1: are a liar and you murdered Lacy. Fancy Grace signing off,

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Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,