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Speaker 1: Look. I love what the future could bring if Figaraedo wins, obviously,

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Speaker 1: He basically told UFC that they can pounce sand to

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Speaker 1: I don't know, Luke. I don't really know what to

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Speaker 1: that it is not going to have a physical or

428
00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,919
Speaker 1: mental effect on him. We don't know that, Luke. Okay,

429
00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,200
Speaker 1: he went four and a half rounds of freaking hell,

430
00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:10,600
Speaker 1: got beaten, But you know, he seems to think it's fine,

431
00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,040
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. He gave a very weird story about

432
00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:17,000
Speaker 1: being in the hospital and just deciding mentally that you know,

433
00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,560
Speaker 1: I'm going to start the recovery process right now because

434
00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:21,080
Speaker 1: I don't want my wife to see me like this,

435
00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,040
Speaker 1: and you know, he claims that things just started healing. Look,

436
00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,320
Speaker 1: I don't know this guy. Is he a shaman? Is

437
00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,000
Speaker 1: he a weirdo? He's He's incredible, I'll tell you that's

438
00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,480
Speaker 1: what he is. Okay, will this mean anything? If there's

439
00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,399
Speaker 1: one guy you cannot count out from the standpoint of

440
00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,360
Speaker 1: trying to guess what he's going to look like it's

441
00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:41,919
Speaker 1: certainly Tony Ferguson. He's a slight favorite here, comfortable but slight,

442
00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:45,560
Speaker 1: and I think that's the right call. The key is,

443
00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,879
Speaker 1: you know, does he really care about chasing the title

444
00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,160
Speaker 1: because there is a potential opportunity here at thirty six?

445
00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,480
Speaker 1: Was that eight that run that you talked about, the

446
00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,440
Speaker 1: twelve flight win streak, putting it all on the line

447
00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,920
Speaker 1: to freaking finally get to a beb He lose part

448
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,639
Speaker 1: of his fighting spirit by never getting that. I don't know,

449
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:06,760
Speaker 1: I don't know. I want to talk to you more

450
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,159
Speaker 1: about what the hell these three rounds are gonna actually

451
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,560
Speaker 1: look like, because we're right, you know, we're talking all

452
00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,439
Speaker 1: things el KAKUI right now. But Charles Olivera is on

453
00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,399
Speaker 1: a fricking seven fight win streak and he's already got

454
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,800
Speaker 1: the UFC submission record by like three over Damian Maya.

455
00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:25,040
Speaker 1: This man is thirty one reborn. There were two times

456
00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,640
Speaker 1: Luke in the past decade at counted them out. Are

457
00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,840
Speaker 1: we not talking enough about Olivera's chances here? Because you

458
00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,119
Speaker 1: texted me and I gave you the response that you

459
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,080
Speaker 1: felt in your heart that I don't know is for

460
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 1: Ferguson could run through this guy, or this could be

461
00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,080
Speaker 1: you know, the beginning of the end for Tony's run.

462
00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,720
Speaker 2: I mean this punch from you see here from Jared Gordon.

463
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,160
Speaker 2: Jared Gordon was trying to close the distance on him.

464
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,920
Speaker 2: He was trying to double jab right, so one two

465
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,399
Speaker 2: and then throw the right. He got hit with the

466
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,960
Speaker 2: first jab and then in the second one, Olivera slipped

467
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 2: off the side head off the center line and then

468
00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,600
Speaker 2: crashed into him with his own punch and dropped Gordon

469
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,119
Speaker 2: there and then caught up with one more shot and

470
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 2: ended the fight within you know, a minute and a

471
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 2: half of the first round, something like that. Don't get

472
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 2: me dead wrong, for it pretty close through the beginning

473
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,159
Speaker 2: of the round. It did not go very far. You know,

474
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,240
Speaker 2: we talked about this with Marvin Vittori. B See, the

475
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,879
Speaker 2: guy entered the UFC at twenty three. At twenty seven,

476
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,479
Speaker 2: he's a much different talent. Dude. Charles Lavera has been

477
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 2: here how long, I mean, you can't even recall how long.

478
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 2: He's thirty one years old, thirty one. I mean, it

479
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,160
Speaker 2: is shocking that you know, yes, you have an impression

480
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 2: of a guy by based on what they show you.

481
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 2: It's hard to get one based on any other thing

482
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 2: unless you just want to imagine it. But part of

483
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 2: I think being fair to these guys is if they

484
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 2: come into the UFC very very young, early twenties, let's say,

485
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:45,200
Speaker 2: pre twenty five, if they stick around long enough, chances

486
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,439
Speaker 2: are they might be a lot different by age twenty

487
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 2: seven or thirty, in this case, thirty one. And so

488
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 2: I had an impression for years, and I'll get the

489
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 2: fight fans credit. They were way ahead of me on

490
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 2: this one. With Charles Olivera, I always knew he was

491
00:22:58,119 --> 00:22:59,440
Speaker 2: a pretty good threat, but I caught it. I thought

492
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 2: he was kind of flat, you know, like his neck being

493
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 2: all jacked up, for example, in the Max Holloway fight,

494
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,119
Speaker 2: or Paul Felder going right into his guard when he

495
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 2: wasn't supposed to do and then hammering him out. I

496
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,680
Speaker 2: kind of thought, you know, the lesser competition, he'll pick

497
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 2: them off, but he won't beat anybody who's really really good.

498
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 2: Now Ferguson is by far his toughest challenge. But the

499
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 2: reality is you cannot watch tape on Charles Olivera from

500
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 2: even twenty fifteen and think that that bears a ton

501
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,239
Speaker 2: of relevance to the guy he is today. He is

502
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 2: in many ways a little bit like Figuredo, different setups,

503
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 2: different ways of applying their game. But they're patient when

504
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 2: they need to be, and they are all gas and

505
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,679
Speaker 2: go when they need to be as well. And because

506
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 2: they can be so deadly, and because they can wait

507
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 2: for their right moment and they have a good eye

508
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,920
Speaker 2: at finding it, dude, they're a hard guy to beat.

509
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 2: Olivera goes to the body a lot. He does a

510
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 2: lot of leg kicks. He's not a headhunter. I think

511
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 2: that might service him a little bit in terms of landing,

512
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 2: getting out of position or landing and then following as

513
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,439
Speaker 2: we saw with Justin Gage you when he fought Tony Ferguson. Obviously,

514
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 2: if he goes to the I don't know what's gonna happen,

515
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,879
Speaker 2: but at a bare minimum, BC, you'll like him to

516
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 2: hold his own against Tony Ferguson. Right, And so I

517
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 2: was looking at this stat I could be wrong about

518
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 2: this too. I'll double check again. I don't think this

519
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 2: guy has been to a decision win or lose. I

520
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 2: think in six years, BC, six years, this guy is

521
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,479
Speaker 2: a finisher. His average fight time is around seven minutes.

522
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:24,640
Speaker 1: Look, he's twenty fourteen, twenty fourteen Jeremy Stevens. Who would

523
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 1: have thought against the Jeremy Yeah that's wild.

524
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, So anyway, I'll just wrap up on that. So

525
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 2: to your point, this is a guy that I have

526
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,159
Speaker 2: always thought was good but not great, and then in

527
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 2: his last five BC we saw him take a massive

528
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 2: turn in the Gordon fight, disposed of him like he

529
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 2: was nothing. And that's a good fighter too. Again, I

530
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 2: think we'd agree Ferguson a very different challenge. But if

531
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,160
Speaker 2: anyone is ready for a step up at this time,

532
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 2: given their development all these years, it's Doe Bronx. I

533
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 2: think he is as live a dog as they come

534
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:53,199
Speaker 2: in combat sports.

535
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, uptown baby, uptown on Dough Bronx. There, let me

536
00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 1: correct a dead wrong. There not a comfortable favorite. Tony

537
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,479
Speaker 1: Ferguson Cordon to William Hill minus one sixty one plus

538
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 1: one thirty to OLIVERA. Let me play quick Devil's Advocate

539
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 1: with you, though, Luke, because there are people who go, Okay,

540
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 1: you guys talk up like like I made a comment

541
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,159
Speaker 1: in the Tony Ferguson interview, and I believe it. I

542
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 1: made two comments one that I think Ferguson is one

543
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 1: of the best pound for pound fighters of this era

544
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 1: in some ways an uncrowned champion although he had the

545
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: interim belt for that short season, and one of the

546
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 1: best lightweights of all time. Now there are sort of

547
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 1: Devil's advocate to that, Luke who people say, Dude, twelve

548
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 1: fight win streak, Yes, but how many of those against

549
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,439
Speaker 1: top five guys? Blah blah blah. I don't want you

550
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 1: to do that argument, okay, because I respect that twelve

551
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 1: fight run and there are some very good names on there,

552
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 1: But I want to hit you to do the same

553
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 1: argument talking about Olavera though, yes, seven fights in a row,

554
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,959
Speaker 1: Yes he doesn't go to the scorecards. Yes he'll submit

555
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,160
Speaker 1: anybody at any time. But Luke, outside of that win

556
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 1: against future UFC champion Kevin Lee in March of this year,

557
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: there are a lot of Jim Wash, Clay Guida's, Cristos

558
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 1: Giago Stavid Tamers on that record. There are levels to

559
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 1: this game. Is the seven to zero version of Charles

560
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:17,120
Speaker 1: OLIVERA ready for this level, which is Tony freakin Ferguson, right.

561
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 2: But this is what essentially the fight boils down to

562
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 2: you're asking, is there anything on the record that definitively

563
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 2: tells you Charles Olivera can beat Tony Ferguson, And in

564
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 2: terms of what's on the ledger, the answer is quite

565
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 2: obviously no, there's nothing on there. The question is is

566
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 2: what he has shown more recently and through the long

567
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 2: stages of his development, is that enough for you to

568
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,640
Speaker 2: believe that he can rise to the occasion and then

569
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 2: make this the signature win. I mean, what did Vttori

570
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 2: have on his resume before he fought her Manson that

571
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 2: told you that he was capable of beating a top

572
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 2: five guy? Did he have any wins over other top

573
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 2: five guys? No, he did not, And then he goes

574
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 2: in there and does what he does because at that

575
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 2: point he was ready to make the leap. If you're

576
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 2: banking on Olivera, you're not banking on what he's done,

577
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 2: per se. You're banking on that what he has shown

578
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 2: is enough to make you believe that when he has

579
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 2: to take a step up, then he'll have that scalp,

580
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 2: you know, hanging in the whatever they hung scalps, you know,

581
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,199
Speaker 2: which is a very you know, obviously awful metaphor. But

582
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 2: you know what I'm trying to say. Once the trophy

583
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 2: is on the case, he doesn't have the trophy yet,

584
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 2: you're banking on the idea that now there is enough

585
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 2: reason to believe he can get there. And also that

586
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 2: Ferguson at thirty seven, coming off of a bad beating,

587
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,479
Speaker 2: not really chasing titles, is he in the right space

588
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 2: as well? Sort of a is there a coming and

589
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 2: going moment there? You can's for the people out there

590
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 2: to decide, But that's what you'd be looking at.

591
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, why don't you just throw trash on the ground

592
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: and make the Indian cry here?

593
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 2: Luke?

594
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: I mean seriously, I like.

595
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,959
Speaker 2: You got any more references that anyone in their twenties

596
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 2: would never understand.

597
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a fair point. It's a fair point. So look,

598
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: I like Ferguson, at the end of the day, I

599
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: don't know what it's gonna look like besides a wild

600
00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: track meet of of constant scrambles and changes of momentum.

601
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 1: Three rounds is gonna be interesting here. There's a short

602
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: window that they gotta do some action because there's a

603
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 1: lot potentially, Like I said, on the line, I think

604
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 1: there's certainly more on the line for Ferguson to get

605
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 1: a monster fight, and Luke, I do believe that there

606
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 1: is some payback for him. He has been a guy

607
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: who suffered some bad luck. He was a company guy

608
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: with the UFC for taking that Gaechee fight through the quarantine,

609
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: last minute, tough challenge, not the full title on the line.

610
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: There are multiple times, I believe, Luke, that Ferguson in

611
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: the last two years could have sat out rather than

612
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 1: came back because he had already achieved securing the hipbipe fight, right,

613
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: He'd already gotten to the like mountaintop. It just didn't

614
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: come together. I wonder if that reward will be there

615
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: for him if he wins, meaning you know, he's not

616
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: gonna get Chandler next in a non title fight. If

617
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: he wins this fight, everything moving forward, his next opportunity

618
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: will have to be massive, Luke, it will fricking.

619
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 2: Have to be yes, although what specifically is a little

620
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 2: bit hard to tell. One last point I'd like to

621
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 2: make on this, I wonder if this might just come

622
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 2: down to chins because Tony, even if he is damaged

623
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 2: from the last fight, one thing that a little bit

624
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 2: gets lost. Everyone's like, oh, he's wild. He does this,

625
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 2: he does that. Okay, all that stuff's true, but like,

626
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 2: here's just the reality about Tony. He hits hard. He

627
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 2: hits very hard for one to fifty five. He always

628
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 2: has been a hard hitter. And olivera will sometimes play

629
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 2: some games a little bit and get hit in ways

630
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 2: that you know, he got dropped by Tamer for example, Right,

631
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 2: it might come down to that, in which case advantage

632
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 2: Ferguson to me, it's going to be who fights almost

633
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 2: I don't want to say more disciplined, but I just

634
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 2: wonder if they're trading a little bit, that's probably going

635
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 2: to be an advantage for Tony. Can Tony just sort

636
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 2: of used suppressive fire on the guy to keep him

637
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 2: at bay. We're gonna have to see, Luke.

638
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: I did sort of go about by a bout with

639
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,959
Speaker 1: Rashad on Wednesday, so I don't want to rehash that,

640
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: and we got to move on top here. But there

641
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: are a lot of interesting storylines on this undercard, whether

642
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: it be the pay per view main card or the preliminaries.

643
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: Which one do you care about the most?

644
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 2: A lot of good ones. The Gavin Tucker, Billy Corntillo

645
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 2: is good, Mackenzie durn Verner Genderoba is good, but I'm

646
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 2: gonna go with the fight. It's actually below this one.

647
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 2: Maybe that's a cliched way to go about it, but

648
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 2: is the one I care about the most. Raphael Fazaiev

649
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 2: taken on Hanato Moykano. Moikana was a big stud at

650
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 2: one forty five, but he kind of ran into some

651
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 2: buzz saws at the top of the division, moved to

652
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 2: one fifty five and Fizia. We saw him at Fight Island.

653
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 2: This was the guy that had the lean back to

654
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 2: get out of the way of the kick at a

655
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 2: tiger Moytai. Excellent decorated ty boxer, and now he has

656
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,239
Speaker 2: made the transition to MMA and just has you know,

657
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 2: all these tools and tricks, not merely defensive ones, but

658
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 2: you know, feints and angles and blah blah blah. That

659
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 2: should be a hell of a contest. And to that point,

660
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 2: Moikano slight underdog plus one twenty five to Pasia around

661
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 2: minus one forty. I really am curious to see what

662
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 2: Fazaiev can do. Ozer by Johnny Guy really really.

663
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: Tough, because I have did do the rock away that time.

664
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: He also called out Con McGregor today on Twitter. I'm

665
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: not sure what's behind that, but Luke, I have talked

666
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: myself into believing that, you know, plus four hundred underdog

667
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: or whatever he is, that JDS will be the truth

668
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: one more time. And you know, there is that argument

669
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: to make that Junior Dos Santos maybe could get caught

670
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: if he loses four in a row, and if it's

671
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: four by knockout, but let's remember those other three in

672
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: a row by knockout. We're against absolute killers and Rosenstrewke

673
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: blades and in Ghanu. I respect Surreal Gone Ghane Goner certainly,

674
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: but I have seen JDS reinvent himself, Luke when he

675
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: needs to, And when he reinvents himself, it's fighting a

676
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: little bit safer and relying on his boxing, focusing more

677
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: on movement in the jab and defense and getting in

678
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: and out than looking to go out there and slug.

679
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: I mean, we all know his chin cannot hold up

680
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: anymore against the super elite sluggers. I mean, am I

681
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: crazy to think that there's an avenue here if he

682
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: just bites down, works to just save his job and

683
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: keep alive, that his skills and experience can be enough

684
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: against the raw but good looking frenchman here.

685
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 2: Yes, it's the same kind of game, not the same,

686
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 2: it's a similar kind of game. I think to what

687
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 2: Moreno needs to play a little bit, which is stick

688
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 2: and move angles, jab you know, on your horse the

689
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 2: whole time. But the difference is he wants to do

690
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 2: it for three rounds versus five, which is to his favorite.

691
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 2: But the other difference is that if Moreno takes a shot,

692
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,959
Speaker 2: you know he has a hell of a chin. JDS

693
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 2: just has no or very little ability at this point

694
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 2: to accept damage, and particularly from a guy as big

695
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 2: as strong as that fucking frenchman he's fighting. So it's possible.

696
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a crazy thought at all, but

697
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 2: it's he's got his work cutout for him.

698
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: I like the way he boxed that time against Ben

699
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: Rothwell and really made that a boring fight.

700
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 2: To how long was it four years ago at this

701
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 2: point that time?

702
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: But I love JDS. Don't don't get me going on that,

703
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: all right, great look for a card that doesn't have,

704
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: you know, a main event that's gonna sell a million

705
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: pay per view, buys a lot of fun storylines looking forward,

706
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be checking in early fully by the time

707
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: Fight Night happens, we don't lose the whole prelim card

708
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: to COVID Luke, because I do want to see Chase

709
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: Hooper and company quickly. I'm going to order off the

710
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: menu here. But you're a good guy to talk about

711
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: this because you follow it closely. There was a UFC

712
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: lawsuit update in the past sort of twenty four to

713
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: thirty six hours on Twitter. Are we going to see

714
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: that thing in court now with Kung Lee and John

715
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:20,719
Speaker 1: Fitch and company? What do you know about that?

716
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 2: It really depends on what the UFC tries to do here.

717
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 2: So for folks who may not know, the judge in

718
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 2: the case offered them BOUT certification, not identity certification. So

719
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 2: what that means is it is a class action lawsuit.

720
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 2: It will go forward, and of the two between BOUT

721
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 2: and identity, that was the one that offered significantly more

722
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 2: compensation and damages well into over a billion dollars, potentially

723
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 2: multiples of that depending on how things shake out. You

724
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 2: might be asking what the difference was. BOUT certification was

725
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 2: merely did you fight in the UFC at a certain

726
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 2: time which they had identified as a range of dates,

727
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 2: and the identification. One was were the fighters mistreated and

728
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 2: not properly compensated for use of their identity and likeness rights.

729
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 2: The judge tossed that, but he kept about certification so

730
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 2: very much alive, and alive in a very prominent way.

731
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 2: The question now becomes is the UFC going to appeal

732
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 2: that ruling. They are. It will go to the Ninth Circuit. Now,

733
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 2: the reason this is interesting is we see, ordinarily, if

734
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 2: it was classerentification and someone was challenging it, in most courts,

735
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 2: there would be a mandatory requirement for the Circuit Court

736
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 2: to review it. The Ninth for whatever reason, does not

737
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 2: necessarily have to. So the Ninth could say we're not

738
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 2: even gonna review it at that point. Now you have

739
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 2: a choice to make if you're UFC. And what the

740
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 2: law experts who spoke to the New York Times said was,

741
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 2: if that thing continues, right, so the classification holds, the

742
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 2: UFC is going to be heavily incentivized to settle. They

743
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 2: do not want that to go to trial because a

744
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 2: lot of bad things could happen to them and frankly

745
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 2: to the industry if it goes to trial. One thing

746
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,439
Speaker 2: that the article made really interesting which I didn't quite

747
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 2: realize was a fair amount of case law on monopoly.

748
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 2: There's not a whole lot on monopoly, in fact, very little.

749
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 2: And there's a concern that if this case goes to

750
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 2: trial and let's say the plaintiffs win, it could redefine

751
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 2: all kinds of industries by virtue of the case law,

752
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 2: that this would set a precedent on For example, the

753
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 2: plaintiffs are arguing that they deserve wage share, right, don't.

754
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 2: We don't get fifty percent of the total revenue, we

755
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 2: get twenty percent. We believe we deserve a higher share.

756
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 2: Would that extend beyond sports and just to industries generally telecom,

757
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 2: service industries, banking, whatever. How would that change employee employer

758
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 2: relationships that some lawyers disagree would have that kind of

759
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,760
Speaker 2: an effect. But here's the point. P see, nobody knows.

760
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 2: Nobody knows exactly what would happen. And UFC also could

761
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,760
Speaker 2: get to a point where if they lose at trial

762
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 2: or you on the whok let's say for one point

763
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 2: six one point eight billion, A lot of times when

764
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 2: these kind of cases go to trial and the and

765
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 2: the defendants lose, there could be multiples of that handed out.

766
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 2: So the I mean there's a real possibility where A

767
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 2: if the UFC loses, they could change the way in

768
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 2: which case law defines monopsody power for all kinds of industries. Two,

769
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 2: they could be on the hook for five billion dollars.

770
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 2: So the idea is, if you settle, you have to

771
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 2: settle for a lot less than your being suited for.

772
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 2: How much no one knows. So let's see what happens

773
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 2: with the ninth circuit. Let's see what happens with that process.

774
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 2: But if that doesn't go forward, and what the judge

775
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 2: said yesterday stands, there is a very strong likelihood that

776
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,760
Speaker 2: they will try to settle, and that will be interesting

777
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:33,760
Speaker 2: in and of itself.

778
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 1: Wow wow, I'm looking forward to see where that goes.

779
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 1: And by the way, your predatory control of all things

780
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: producer credits show IP for MK is very monopstal obstacle, Luke,

781
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: So I'm very much against that as well. A final

782
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: point on UFC again, ordering off the menu, Dana White

783
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: did an interview with Aaron Bronstad of TSN yesterday. We

784
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: love that.

785
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 2: Canadian Dan Rayfield loved that interview.

786
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,879
Speaker 1: Huh yeah, Dan Rayfield said, ab the hell And I'm

787
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: not talking about Broner on Twitter. But look, it looks

788
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 1: like zoof of boxing. Dana White's finally throwing in the

789
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: white towel hair Luke and saying, you know, boxing is

790
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: so corrupt it won't let me in. I just want

791
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: to give you a quick thirty second take on that

792
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: about time Dana realized this. I was never cheering against

793
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: Dana to enter this space. In fact, Luke, when those

794
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: Twitter rumors came out a couple times that he might

795
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: try to join forces with Al Hayman and buy the

796
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: PBC and bring UFC fight pass in and try to

797
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: develop like their own league, Dude, I was all for it.

798
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: Shake up this way of doing business in boxing, right,

799
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: do something different. But for Danta to come out and

800
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: just blame boxing after making so many teases and promises

801
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 1: of big things, It's like, dude, you were very naive.

802
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,760
Speaker 1: You were very naive to think you can just walk

803
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: in to this you know, wild West here of sheriffs

804
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 1: and stuff. And I'm not defending the way boxing has

805
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: done business wise, certainly not because nobody, nobody chastises the

806
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: things that are wrong with my favorite sport than me,

807
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 1: by the way, But it's just like, come on, Dana,

808
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: you had to know better than this, luke. He has

809
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 1: a certain level of control. And maybe this ties into

810
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: the lawsuit argument. I mean that you just can't get

811
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 1: in sports forget you know, forget combat sports any and

812
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: that's because Zoofa rescued this sport of MMA at a

813
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 1: time when it couldn't get on TV and was dead.

814
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,280
Speaker 1: They bought the freaking UFC for what two million dollars

815
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: and built it into a league in which they are promoter, matchmaker,

816
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: you know, everything across the board, and they've done great

817
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: on it. But you don't have that kind of control

818
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: in the damn MBA, you know what I mean, Like,

819
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,479
Speaker 1: there's no the like to think that you can walk

820
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: into the most unstructured sport in all of sports and

821
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 1: think you're just gonna throw your ball back around and

822
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 1: walk in. It's like, dude, everyone that has tried this

823
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: who wasn't a gangster and wasn't willing to long term

824
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: lose a lot of money to make some has bowed out.

825
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: From Jay Z to everyone, Everyone's tried to do this

826
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: and they failed. Like to just think that because you're

827
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: Dana White, you're gonna do any differently it's like, come on, dude, you.

828
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, the entrepreneurial arrogance here is sort of interesting.

829
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,959
Speaker 2: I mean, just state it plainly, like why can't Dana

830
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 2: White For folks who may understand, why couldn't Dana White?

831
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 2: And maybe not right away, but let's say, even over

832
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 2: time do in boxing what he did in MMA? Why

833
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 2: couldn't he do that? And the answer is it's not legal.

834
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 2: There are literally laws preventing the kind of situation that

835
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 2: exists in MAY. Now that I'm not telling you that

836
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 2: MMA is some kind of illegal, shady underworld. No, No,

837
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 2: it's just that there are certain laws in boxing that

838
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 2: do not apply to MMA. Those laws have not been

839
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 2: extended to MMA that create certain mechanisms where with the

840
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 2: ALI Act where the promoter not only has to show

841
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 2: the fighter what the financial compensation realities are, but that

842
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 2: the promoter does not have control of the titles. The

843
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 2: rankings are independent, You can be free from a contract

844
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 2: depending on other The contracts are shorter, they're not as

845
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 2: they're not as restrictive. Right, There's all kinds of ways

846
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 2: and that, and there are other incentives in boxing too

847
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 2: that change things a little bit. I'm not saying there's

848
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 2: no ability to shake it up at all. But that

849
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 2: concentration of elite talent, it's just not possible. You couldn't

850
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 2: do it. You can't have a UFC belt equivalent inside boxing.

851
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 2: It's literally against the law. And so I think he

852
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 2: took a look around and was like, Okay, well what

853
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 2: can I do within that? And there's not much you

854
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 2: could really do. I mean, here's the reality. I'll give

855
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 2: Dana a little bit of credit. There's two things I

856
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:28,919
Speaker 2: think that deserve to be acknowledged about what he said

857
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 2: as well. One was has boxing done a good enough

858
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 2: job to attract younger audiences? I don't know how you

859
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 2: could argue that it could. I'm not saying it's a calamity,

860
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 2: but could they do better? Yeah, they could do a

861
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 2: lot better. We'll see what happens as Shaker Stevenson and

862
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 2: too Fima Lopez and Tank Davis get a little bit older.

863
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 2: Maybe they bring some people along with him. But okay,

864
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 2: fair point. And the other one that folks need to

865
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 2: wrap their head around is it sounds like I shall

866
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 2: on behalf of the Ali Act. I'm not really sold

867
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 2: on the Aliact, right. I'm actually much more in favor

868
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 2: of unionization. And the reason why is because I want

869
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 2: The only thing I want MMA fighters to have from

870
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 2: boxing are their purses. I don't want the rest of boxing.

871
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 2: Right In other words, there is a real alignment between

872
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 2: the UFC's interest and the UFC's consumers interests, and they're

873
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 2: able to make those things work because of some of

874
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 2: the lack of restrictions over them. What I want are

875
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 2: still some protections for the fighter, a union, health insurance,

876
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 2: retirement bit better pay. But what I don't want is

877
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 2: the broken system necessarily and the sort of splinter loose

878
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 2: confederation of nonsense that you have in boxing. But Dana,

879
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 2: thinking that you could go into that situation and you know,

880
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 2: just round everybody up and make it work, you can't. Like,

881
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 2: it does not work that way. So I actually can

882
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 2: prefer what the USC's able to do in certain ways.

883
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 2: I would just like to see them get paid a

884
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 2: little bit more.

885
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it doesn't work that way, especially right now

886
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 1: when so many promoters are getting you know, seventy percent

887
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: of their finances from these network TV deals, which makes

888
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: each channel all its own promoter. There's no room for

889
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: Dana to walk in and again unless he's going to

890
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: purchase right, you know, a large group of fighters at

891
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 1: one time, you just can't do it. It's like walking

892
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 1: into the saloon in the wild West and saying I'm

893
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: the new sheriff in town. Only the music didn't stop.

894
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: Nobody cared. They're like, yeah, yeah, right, buddy, that's fine.

895
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: But I would like to wear a zoofa boxing shirt.

896
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: Maybe I can get it for four ninety nine on

897
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: UFC store one of these days. Looking forward to that,

898
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: Luke as well. All right, topic three, let's recap what

899
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 1: happened last night Thursday night on the CBS Sports Network.

900
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: It was Bellator two five four Luke, and we had

901
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: a changing of the guard at Women's Flyway. And I'll

902
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: be honest, coming in this matchup, didn't you know, light

903
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 1: my fire? But the more we researched it and looked

904
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 1: into it and sort of figured out who julianna Velasquez is,

905
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: the more I got excited about it. In the final

906
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: twenty four hours, I'm not here to tell you this

907
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,399
Speaker 1: fight was overly exciting. I am here to tell you

908
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 1: I'm impressed that julianna Velaskaz what is what eleven? And

909
00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 1: oh twelve and zero now? And she is the new

910
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 1: sh gariff in town at one twenty five in Belatore

911
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 1: with a pretty thorough five round unanimous decision over the

912
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 1: only champion Belatore has known, Alima Lay McFarlane Luke. She

913
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: was poised, patient, strong, bigger. She really did everything perfectly,

914
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: from a slow start to really never opening up an

915
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 1: avenue of victory for Alima Lay and I gotta give

916
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: her a lot of credit. Even though these aren't the

917
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,399
Speaker 1: right highlights. Guys, don't we own Belatore? Can we get

918
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: the right damn highlights in here? This was a hell

919
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: of a victory for Velasque.

920
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 2: Yeah that's not Ilima Lay, although that was Julian of Alaskas.

921
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 2: It was kind of interesting, right, I mean, Alima Lay

922
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 2: is the was the first champion at flyweight for Bellatore.

923
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 2: Just from an odds perspective, given the growth of the

924
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 2: sport and the growth of that division and everything else.

925
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 2: Was she going to be the best ever flyweight that

926
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 2: Belator ever had? Probably not, you know, And she had

927
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 2: a nice long reign and she did a lot with it.

928
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 2: She was in Hawaii and she had these incredible walkouts,

929
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 2: and you know, she was very media set. She's done

930
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 2: some work for them in terms of analysis work at

931
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 2: the desk, but Velaska's, to your point, BC was just bigger.

932
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 2: She was better. She had an answer for essentially everything

933
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 2: except for maybe a couple of takedowns. That isn't to

934
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 2: say that it wasn't close at times, and that isn't

935
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 2: to say that I think Elima Ala McFarlane, with a

936
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 2: better game plan, couldn't have made it even much closer

937
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 2: than she did. She seemed to realize later, I'm able

938
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 2: to charge this person and then back them up a

939
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,439
Speaker 2: lot more easily than I thought I could, and by

940
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 2: that point it was too little, too late. You could

941
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 2: have given her the fourth and fifth round or just

942
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 2: one of those rounds. But either way, Velaska has strong,

943
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 2: no real glaring weaknesses. That isn't to say she's good

944
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:40,399
Speaker 2: at everything, but I mean to say, you know, it's

945
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 2: not like she has the worst chin, or you know,

946
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,439
Speaker 2: doesn't know how to do any good throws, or doesn't

947
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 2: understand the value of an underhook, or doesn't have good footwork.

948
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 2: She's got sort of all those teas crossed and all

949
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 2: those is dotted at least enough. And that was way

950
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 2: too much for McFarland. She had no real jab in

951
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 2: this one. You saw her staying way outside and then

952
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 2: having to charge in constantly, and she was doing what's

953
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 2: called a dart and she couldn't really make a whole

954
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 2: lot of use of it. In fact, Alaskaz was taking

955
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 2: it away from her later. So to me, it's the

956
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 2: maturation of the women's division. It's the maturation of the

957
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 2: women's game. This kind of turnover is expected. McFarlane was

958
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 2: a great champion for them. Maybe she'll be a champion again,

959
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 2: but either way, this was a bit of a torch

960
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 2: passing that tells you a broader story about the women's

961
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:24,760
Speaker 2: anime game and then that division in particular.

962
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you can see the size difference in the video.

963
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: Shout out to our producer Maniche for getting it up

964
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 1: there that Alaskaz was bigger and strugger. Here's the thing, though,

965
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: Luke Velaskas was surprisingly in some ways, not after we

966
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 1: saw the results of the fight, the betting favorite coming

967
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 1: in despite the fact that alim Malay was what ten

968
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: and oh and was on the verge of breaking Bellatour's

969
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 1: entire promotion record for consecutive title defenses with her fifth.

970
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 1: She didn't get there, but The reason why I picked

971
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: against Velasquez was I don't think she does enough.

972
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 2: Lukez she waits, No, there's no Quez, it's Kez.

973
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: She there's no Quez. What am I doing here?

974
00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's keV Alaskaez.

975
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,959
Speaker 1: Okay, sorry, I was yeah, I was very chardeying her there,

976
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: saying luke she doesn't do enough, meaning she leaves the

977
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: door open for a busier opponent to rally against her.

978
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: And look, the reason why you saw those scorecards closer

979
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: than it looked on your eyes is because there was

980
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 1: no action in the first two rounds. In some ways,

981
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: you could flip the coin on who won both. And

982
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 1: I thought Alima lay rallied in that fourth round to

983
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: get that takedown and kind of steal that round late.

984
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: But to Velasquz's credit, by limiting her output, she made

985
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: Alima lay come to her to try to at least

986
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: make some action happen. And I think that's where Velaskez

987
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: did her best work as that upright poise counterpuncher and

988
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: landed the bigger shots, and that cut seemed to be

989
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 1: a big key to sort of change the momentum there.

990
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: So it's a strong win. She's thirty four she trains

991
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: with the Nag Brothers and Anderson Silva. I love the

992
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: story of her late brother and she got the tattoo

993
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: of his face on the inside of her arm. She

994
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: wants to be a champion. Outside the case, she seems

995
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: like a good person. Overall. This was a nice win.

996
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: But you know, I'm not going to bury the truth here.

997
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: This division is still growing. I mean, really, this division worldwide,

998
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,240
Speaker 1: Luke is still growing. It's Valentina chef Chenko and almost

999
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: nobody else in the UFC. Alim Malay was not beating

1000
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: world beaters. I think this was the first really stiff

1001
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: challenge she fought. She was out gunned. She was humble afterwards.

1002
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: But I could see a rematch between these two a

1003
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 1: couple fights from now, and I think it'll be different,

1004
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: a little bit different, you know.

1005
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 2: Josh Thompson made a good point on the broadcast one.

1006
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 2: Alima Lin McFarland has been very tight and good friends

1007
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 2: with Liz Carmush for a long time. They did not

1008
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 2: train together for this one. I guess now that they're

1009
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 2: in the same organization, in the same division, she would

1010
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 2: have been a good training partner. Liz Carmush also might

1011
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 2: be a tough ass challenge for Velaska's Devlaska's is a

1012
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 2: lot bigger in frame, but somebody like lis Cars Guerrilla

1013
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 2: is strong as shit. There are a lot inexperienced too. Now,

1014
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 2: you know, her last fight against Chefchenko probably didn't inspire

1015
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 2: a ton of confidence, but you know this is not Chefchenko,

1016
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 2: So to me, is she a potential live dog. I

1017
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,720
Speaker 2: guess we'll have to see, but I would I'm curious

1018
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:06,439
Speaker 2: to see how that goes.

1019
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: Absolutely and that comine event quickly. Here Magomed mago Metoff,

1020
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: the Russian made his Bellatour debut and absolutely dominant in

1021
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: a rag dolling performance over matuse Matos something like that.

1022
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,399
Speaker 1: The Brazilian guy, the the you know the guy, the guy.

1023
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting coming in that they te

1024
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,359
Speaker 1: they both had lost, They're both had lost to Peter

1025
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,760
Speaker 1: Yhan for their only loss. But of course the hook

1026
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 1: was that mago Medoff defeated peyotra Yan for his only

1027
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: defeat in ACB. But Luke, there was a little bit

1028
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: of bad blood coming in between them. And I saw

1029
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,439
Speaker 1: some people saying boring on Twitter. I'm not gonna echo

1030
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 1: the boring chant here. It wasn't thrilling, but I was

1031
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: very impressed by Mago med Maga Metoff and Minietsch, the producer.

1032
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 1: If you can replay him slamming Matouse on his head. Look,

1033
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: that's one of the scarier freaking moments I have ever

1034
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 1: seen that.

1035
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 2: Honestly, I'm being dead serious. I don't know if that

1036
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 2: was legal.

1037
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: I don't know what. Look, how is this man not paralyzed?

1038
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,280
Speaker 1: That was vicious bro.

1039
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 2: Him and Kevin randleman like Kevin Randaman. Well, I mean

1040
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 2: I should say fade or getting slammed by Kevin Randaman.

1041
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 2: I don't know. You know, I said this on CBS

1042
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 2: Sports HQ last night, BC, and I wonder what you

1043
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 2: think of it. You know how this goes Everyone who's

1044
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 2: got every white dude look at this throw Oh my god.

1045
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: I thought, God, have you seen that? Shit? Wow? Wow?

1046
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 2: Okay, So here's the deal. Every white guy who's got

1047
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 2: an Amish beard and a Z and a V in

1048
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 2: his name, you know, everyone wants to compare them to

1049
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 2: Habib And there are some obviously commonalities in the way

1050
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 2: that they look, there's some commonalities in their backgrounds, there's

1051
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 2: some commonalities even in the way that they fight. And

1052
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 2: I'm not here to tell you that Meca Medov is

1053
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 2: just like number Kameidov. There are meaningful differences, but what

1054
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 2: I will say is along the fence line, once you're there.

1055
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 2: He did have a lot of Habib's game, getting you

1056
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,839
Speaker 2: to wrestle to your hands hip writing, waiting to find

1057
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 2: cross wrist, then take half of the back, not necessarily full.

1058
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 2: Only when he takes you backwards the other direction away

1059
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 2: from your hands, does he then go for the back

1060
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 2: and then trying it from there doesn't have the same

1061
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 2: ground and pound exactly. Was still wrestling a little bit

1062
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 2: more positional control, so he's a little bit more as

1063
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 2: a beat in that way. But still the comparisons in

1064
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 2: that sense I don't think are far apart. But the

1065
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 2: real takeaway is this BC. They're asking, like, what is

1066
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 2: next for him? Well, I don't know if he gets

1067
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 2: a title shot off of that, but I know this

1068
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,839
Speaker 2: he ain't far from one. They might give him one

1069
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 2: more fight in front of that and see what we

1070
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,399
Speaker 2: can do and if he wins that one. I mean, dude,

1071
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 2: Mattheus Mattos was never in this, not for a second.

1072
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 2: He put up a valiant effort in trying to see

1073
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 2: his way through it, but he never had any real offense.

1074
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 2: So my thought is they're gonna give that guy maca

1075
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 2: made Off a title shot next or he's pretty close

1076
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 2: to it, and either way he is gonna be a

1077
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 2: force at Vantsawait And last point BC. You know a

1078
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,280
Speaker 2: weight class is good when you can go all across

1079
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 2: the world and in every time they're one thirty five

1080
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 2: or they're one fifty five division, whatever whatever division it is,

1081
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:09,399
Speaker 2: there's hammers every time. You know that as a worldwide

1082
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 2: deep ass weight class. You've got that at one thirty

1083
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 2: five now in Belletore.

1084
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 1: And you know a region is good when you can

1085
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 1: grab just any random dude from the caucus and you

1086
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,240
Speaker 1: know he can wrestle and look, if you think that's boring,

1087
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 1: I don't care. I believe he can do that for

1088
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: five rounds. And I believe one Archiletta, you're recently crowned.

1089
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,720
Speaker 1: You know, vacant bantam way champion needs to be careful

1090
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 1: here because this guy has a motor and he's got

1091
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 1: the same exact facial hair Luke I had at nineteen

1092
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: when I was hanging out in smoke filled rooms and

1093
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: people's basements. So shout out to him. Look, it's a

1094
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: weird name, Mago med Mago medoff. It reminded me I

1095
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: went to high school with David Davidson, So shout out

1096
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: to that kid. Do you know George H. W. Bush's

1097
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: granddaughter Lauren married a guy with the last name Lauren,

1098
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: so it's Lauren Lauren. Do you know that there was

1099
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: a who.

1100
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 2: Was the guy from American idol? H?

1101
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know who. I know exactly what. I'm

1102
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: sure Miniche knows that Maniche is a is a is

1103
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: a is a rising star in the R and B

1104
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 1: singing white guy circuit? Meisch, what's is it? Phillips Phillips Luke?

1105
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's like phil Phillips something like that.

1106
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 1: Yeah. Also, there's a I think he's South Korean, a

1107
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,879
Speaker 1: former table tennis star whose name is Dong Dong Luke.

1108
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 1: That's a hell.

1109
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 2: How is that not the official spokesman for the show.

1110
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 2: I don't know the answer to that.

1111
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: Wow, I know there's Sir Hans, Sirhan and you know

1112
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 1: that's very you know. Yeah, Okay, all right, enough of

1113
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: that weird stuff there. Shout out to uh, Mago met

1114
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 1: Off there, Luke, I didn't get your take on Rumbell

1115
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: Johnson going to Bellachore. This came like out of freaking nowhere.

1116
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 1: I liked his interview with Goldie Well. I liked rumbles

1117
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: part of that interview with Goldie on the broadcast where

1118
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: he basically, you know, says you know what I do, right,

1119
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: I swing for the fences. I take souls more or less.

1120
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:56,839
Speaker 1: He wants to focus on two of five, but he'd

1121
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 1: fight at heavyweight. This is a certainly a big koup

1122
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 1: for to have another tough out for Adeem Nemkov. But Luke,

1123
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 1: I don't spread conspiracy theories, right, but I listened to them.

1124
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: I listened to them. U. This ain't a drug testing thing, right,

1125
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: It's more of a financial move from UFC. Let him

1126
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 1: go right, right? Right?

1127
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I mean who knows, you know, who knows

1128
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 2: what these guys It's very very hard to say. But

1129
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 2: uh well, if it was drug testing and he accepted

1130
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 2: a sanction, then it would become public. I think that's right.

1131
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that goes anymore.

1132
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 1: But I love the move. I love the signing though.

1133
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, the move, the move is phenomenal. It's a great

1134
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 2: pickup for Bella toorn at this point. Yeah, I'm sure

1135
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,240
Speaker 2: you guys went over this him, Phil Davis, Nemkov, Bator,

1136
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 2: if he sticks around Corey Anderson, there's some other names

1137
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:43,439
Speaker 2: you can throw in there.

1138
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, sastly legitimate, butta.

1139
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a legitimate two hundred and five pound division

1140
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 2: by any measurement. So that's great. You know, he's got

1141
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 2: wins over the number one contender in UFC, knocked his

1142
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 2: teeth out in thirteen seconds. You know, there's a bit

1143
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 2: of an open question after three years what he looks like,

1144
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 2: how good he can be, But it's probably a good gamble.

1145
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 2: He's exciting, he's an action fighter, he's musty TV because

1146
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:06,720
Speaker 2: you just never know when he's going to sleep someone.

1147
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 2: You know, I can understand why Belator would want to

1148
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 2: pick him up, and you know, you're, well, we'll see

1149
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 2: what happens with him. But at forty four, maybe there's

1150
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 2: a different calculation for them because Rumbull at thirty six

1151
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 2: is still a little bit old, but not so old

1152
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 2: that he's not capable of you know, fun, fun filled

1153
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 2: action and attention. So it's a great signing by then,

1154
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 2: I think by both parties.

1155
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't wait to see I just can't wait

1156
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 1: to see it. That's the deal on that. All right,

1157
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: let's move over to England this Saturday. Luke Big Tom Boxing,

1158
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 1: whether you're ready or not on his own, three of

1159
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: the full recognized world heavyweight championship titles will be at

1160
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 1: stake when Anthony Joshua returns from a one year layoff

1161
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 1: to take on the mandatory opponent, thirty eight year old

1162
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:52,879
Speaker 1: kup Brought Poolev. They were supposed to fight mandatorily, Luke

1163
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: back in twenty seventeen, a shoulder injury at Poolev forced

1164
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 1: him out. Carlos Takum took his place. A lot has

1165
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 1: happened since then, including Anthony Joshua losing his titles by

1166
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 1: an upset knockout to Andy Ruiz and then being criticized

1167
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 1: for winning them back in a very safe boxing outside

1168
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 1: performance against a very fat man. Luke, It's gonna go

1169
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 1: down in Wembley Arena in front of a thousand fans

1170
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: on Saturday. Joshua the rightful favorite. But how much should

1171
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:25,439
Speaker 1: you know his critics or his fans fear the fact

1172
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 1: that he's in there against a live puncher and AJ's

1173
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 1: chin is what it is, Luke.

1174
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's a couple of things. You have

1175
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 2: to sort of this is to me what this hinge

1176
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 2: is on. Okay, one, if Andy Ruiz, I'd say he's

1177
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 2: not not some kind of you know, puncher to take seriously.

1178
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 2: But I'm saying, if Andy Ruiz can do what he

1179
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 2: did to Joshua at least the first time, in terms

1180
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 2: of if you land, what effect does it have. Granted

1181
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 2: he wasn't able to do that the second time. I

1182
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,280
Speaker 2: understand we're just talking about the first one. Can Poulev

1183
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 2: do that? I don't see how you can argue he couldn't.

1184
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 2: He very much can have the same kind of an

1185
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,760
Speaker 2: effect assuming he can land. But of course that leads

1186
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 2: now well to the second point, which is, are you

1187
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 2: going to get the Joshua who was blood and guts

1188
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 2: and maybe you know, got out in front of his

1189
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 2: skis in the first one, but you know the same

1190
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 2: one who got off the canvas and the clitch goo

1191
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 2: fight and managed to win it that same kind of AJ,

1192
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 2: Or are you going to get the aj in the rematch,

1193
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 2: the one who was very careful, very measured, very good boxing.

1194
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 2: I thought that fight was dreadful and boring, but super tactical,

1195
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 2: super smart, and exactly what he needed to do coming

1196
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 2: off of that devastating loss to his career. This is

1197
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 2: entirely what it hinges on, because if you ask yourself,

1198
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,240
Speaker 2: if puu lev Lands can he have a devastating impact

1199
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 2: on Joshua, whose chin is not exemplary, of course he can.

1200
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 2: And if that's the case, then the dude is in trouble.

1201
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 2: But I also feel like aj if he chooses to

1202
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 2: do this, and my hunch is it's more the latter BCEE.

1203
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:47,760
Speaker 2: My hunch is that the one you saw against Ruiz.

1204
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:50,720
Speaker 2: I'm not saying you're going to see that necessarily every time,

1205
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:53,359
Speaker 2: but when he needs to pull it out and here

1206
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 2: where there's still these lingering questions about who he is

1207
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:58,840
Speaker 2: and blah blah blah, you're absolutely going to see it.

1208
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 2: A thousand fans in Wemble are going to be treated

1209
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:04,280
Speaker 2: to it. So, uh, that's sort of what I'm expecting.

1210
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 2: I think you're gonna get a Andy Ruiz two version,

1211
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 2: not an Andy Ruize one version.

1212
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 1: Oh that's interesting. So here's the deal. Look like, performances

1213
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 1: that challenge your chin can change a guy. Watch the

1214
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 1: Hector Camacho Great Documentary on Showtime. You'll see that Edwin

1215
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: Rosario fight, sort of that mountain top of his prime run.

1216
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: Even though he wanted it changed Camacho, he didn't go

1217
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: after people anymore. He got you know, defensive and impassive.

1218
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 1: This isn't the first time, though. Joshua's chin had been

1219
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,439
Speaker 1: checked before, right Dillian White had rocked him in their fight,

1220
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: and obviously Klitchko had dropped him, and even Carlos tacam

1221
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 1: in the first couple of rounds kind of surprised him

1222
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 1: and pushed the pace. Here's the deal, though, So Poulev

1223
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,479
Speaker 1: is very dangerous, and he's also six four and a half,

1224
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 1: so he's a big dude. He's a Bulgarian. Look, he

1225
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 1: has just one career loss. It came against Vladimir Klitchko

1226
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: in their twenty fourteen title fight, and if you don't

1227
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 1: remember that fight, Poulev went after it. That was a

1228
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: time when we were seeing clitch Goo out jab ran

1229
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 1: European guy after random European guy, and we were just like, man,

1230
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 1: if somebody just comes for clitch Go's chin, it could

1231
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 1: be different. Well, Poolev tried his best, man, I give

1232
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 1: him credit. He got knocked down three times in or

1233
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: in round six, I believe it was he got sent

1234
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 1: to Freakin' hell by clitch Goo with a beautiful knockout

1235
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 1: on I Left Hook. Oddly enough, Aj was in clitch

1236
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 1: Goo's camp at that time, just a few fights into

1237
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 1: his career, you know, helping Vlad prepare for Pool. Since

1238
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 1: that loss to Clitchko. Pulev's like eight and oh and

1239
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 1: I'll give him that credit.

1240
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 2: But Luke, it's not It's against mostly numbers.

1241
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 1: Again, not murderer's row. I mean, you know, he's out

1242
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 1: boxed to Derek Chesora. He out boxed uh. You know

1243
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:43,479
Speaker 1: Tyson Fury's cousin, Huey, who's a decent fighter. But there's

1244
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 1: not killer on there. So I believe that this fight

1245
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 1: will probably look a lot like that Clitchko fight in

1246
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, because Pulev's gonna come out looking to go

1247
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 1: for the knockout. He's gonna come out being wild, maybe

1248
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 1: because Aj has the reach and size advantage along with

1249
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: the speed. Luke, I believe to out box him from

1250
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 1: distance if he wants to, and I'll do it fairly safely.

1251
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 1: I think Poulev's gonna have to step up the pace,

1252
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 1: get inside, try to have his moment roll the dice

1253
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 1: Gopher broke, but Luke, like Klitchko, was able to do.

1254
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 1: Klitchko also had a size in power advantage. He was

1255
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 1: able to keep him on the outside, catch him coming in,

1256
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 1: and knock him the hell out. I think this fight

1257
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 1: could be fun in the first couple rounds, but I

1258
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 1: really like AJ to be forced Luke forced into not

1259
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 1: being the guy he was in the Ruiz rematch where

1260
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 1: he was able to box from the outside. Because Ruiz

1261
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 1: ate a lot of pizza, right ate a lot of

1262
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 1: chicken wings heading in. I think Puulv's gonna try to

1263
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 1: cross that line and come in. And let's not forget

1264
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 1: one thing. AJ's a great finisher, dude. He can do

1265
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 1: it with both hands. He has great combinations. He's got

1266
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 1: a beautiful upper cut inside. If you run in on

1267
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 1: him and you challenge him. Poulev does not have the

1268
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Speaker 1: hand speed that Andy Ruiz did. He does not have

1269
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 1: that same level of technique. He's a very good fighter.

1270
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 1: He's a credible out here. But I like AJ to

1271
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: survive in advance and maybe look really good doing so.

1272
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 1: And Luke, here's the future timeline here. This is one mandatory.

1273
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 1: AJ also has another against former cruiserweight undisputed champion Alexander Usik. Tyson.

1274
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 1: Fury has a mandatory coming up against the winner of

1275
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 1: the Dillion White Alexander Povetkin rematch. It's not out of

1276
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 1: the question, Luke, that we get the heavyweight fight that

1277
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 1: everybody really wants. No Fury Wilder, three AJ Tyson Fury

1278
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: all four belts and on disputed champion. They'll probably do

1279
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 1: it in front of three million people stuck inside a

1280
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 1: Wembley stadium. They might do it on the moon for

1281
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 1: all I know. If COVID's still going on, Luke, you

1282
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 1: and Fauci can bite on pay per view. But that's

1283
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 1: the biggest fight you can make in boxing right now worldwide.

1284
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 1: I think we have a chance to get there either

1285
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 1: the end of twenty twenty one if people are very busy,

1286
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 1: or early twenty twenty two. There's no guarantee both guys

1287
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 1: get there, Luke, with their two titles intact. But we

1288
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 1: don't get there unless Aj knocks this guy out, and

1289
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 1: I think he will on Saturday. You look very angry, Luke.

1290
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 2: What's going on? Well, good news, breaking news. Devison Figuredo

1291
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 2: makes one twenty four and a half on the scales.

1292
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 2: So he did it, no problem, made wait with a

1293
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 2: little bit of room to spare on top of it.

1294
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 2: So that's the good news. The bad news is, like, dude,

1295
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 2: it's like your optimism about boxing. I'm not saying it's misplaced.

1296
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 2: I think probably your horizons are even correct. We'll get

1297
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 2: it at such and such a date, year or whatever.

1298
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 2: But it's like, god, dude, you have to wait. So

1299
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 2: it's like going to the fucking DMB to be a

1300
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 2: boxing fan, you know. It's like you have to just

1301
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 2: wait at your number.

1302
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 1: Like waiting on Chinese Democracy by Guns and Roses. Luke, Okay,

1303
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 1: we're still waiting, all right? Are we still waiting on

1304
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 1: that album?

1305
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 2: So it's so off putting?

1306
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, there really is. But uh, heavyweight boxing is still fun.

1307
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 1: I'm here for it. I'll be watching on his own.

1308
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 1: I believe that's a two pm Eastern main card start.

1309
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 1: I don't know, five pm main events something whatever.

1310
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 2: Speaking of did you see this the belt or wasn't

1311
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 2: is not on it anymore?

1312
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 1: Yes, I did see that.

1313
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 2: I don't know what that means, but it means something.

1314
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's been a lot of a lot of weird

1315
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 1: stuff going on, lately, Luke. All right, but I love that.

1316
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 1: I don't know what I love anymore. I'm rambling. All right, Luke,

1317
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 1: let's get into boxing this weekend as well. We do

1318
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 1: want to shout out our folks at Showtime. They've got

1319
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 1: an interesting card this Saturday night from the Mohegan Sun

1320
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 1: Bubble that is nine pm Eastern, Luke, We're gonna get

1321
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 1: Chris Prime Time Colbert. I like to call him Chris Colbert, Luke.

1322
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 1: He's going for the He's to be defending his interim

1323
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 1: WBA super Featherweight champion. That's one hundred and thirty pounds.

1324
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 1: He has had some fantastic knockouts, including one in which

1325
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 1: I think Ray Flores, the PBC announcer, nearly nearly shot

1326
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 1: as Watt on the call there, Luke had a ragasm.

1327
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 1: It was so spectacular. He'll be taking on hard hitting

1328
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 1: Jamie Arbolita in this main event should be fun action tripleheader.

1329
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 1: Ronald Dallas misswait just a few minutes ago, by the way,

1330
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 1: by something like six pounds, but he's still looking to

1331
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 1: face Matt Korobov and the opener of this Showtime Boxing

1332
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 1: Special Edition tripleheader. I will be checking it out our

1333
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 1: friends Mauro Ronaldo and company there, Luke. Also this Saturday,

1334
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 1: ESPN gonna give us a guy we had on MK

1335
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 1: this week, Shakherse Stevenson, you're unbeaten silver medalist in the

1336
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 1: Olympics a couple of years years back. One A title

1337
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 1: at featherweight has moved up to one thirty. He's gonna

1338
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 1: take on somewhat of a live dog here in Toka

1339
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 1: con clary.

1340
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 2: But the whole story to see a live dog, let's

1341
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 2: talk about that for a second.

1342
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 1: Well, go ahead, Well, the whole storyline here is that

1343
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 1: you know, Shaker looks great, survives in advances. He could

1344
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 1: be facing the winner of the Carl Frampton Jamel Herring

1345
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 1: title fight at one thirty. That's gonna happen in January.

1346
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 1: He could be facing Lomachenko for all we know, because Vassili.

1347
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 1: Some rumors say he wants to move back down to

1348
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:46,920
Speaker 1: one thirty. Stevenson gave a stern warning on this podcast

1349
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 1: this week, saying, don't do it, brother, don't come down.

1350
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 1: I got I'll finish you quicker than Teo did. Either way, Luke,

1351
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 1: you hear me talk about the I don't know what

1352
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 1: we're gonna call him. They're not the four Kings, but

1353
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 1: they're the five young studs who are lifting up the

1354
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:03,440
Speaker 1: future of the sport right now, right Tayo, Fimo, Lopez Gervonte, Davis,

1355
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 1: Ryan Garcia, Devin Haney. You have best believe Shakers Stevenson

1356
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:09,960
Speaker 1: is in that group of five. And I've said it

1357
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 1: for a long time. I think he is going to

1358
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 1: be the best of them. From a pound for pound standpoint.

1359
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 1: There are some Floyd things, Floyd Mayweather things to like

1360
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 1: about this young fighter, Luke. He can knock people out

1361
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 1: in a parking garage. Oh, by the way, two shout

1362
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 1: out to that moment. But yeah, I know you don't

1363
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:30,560
Speaker 1: love tocokon Clary, but I do love Shakurs Stevenson and

1364
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 1: he's back, Luke.

1365
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, Stevenson's great. Here here's the problem with my enthusiasm

1366
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:35,640
Speaker 2: for this. And I realize you know you're doing what

1367
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 2: you can if you're Bob Aaron, but calling him a

1368
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:41,920
Speaker 2: live dog of all of the fights on the calendar

1369
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 2: at Pro Boxing Odds, which we December eleventh, twelfth, let's

1370
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 2: see thirteenth, sixteenth, nineteenth, thirty first, January first, January second,

1371
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 2: and then even future events, which would include you know,

1372
01:04:55,400 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 2: Tyson Fury and Agit or Agate Kaba yell. He is

1373
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 2: the biggest underdog of all of them in any possible permutation.

1374
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 2: And by that and oh no, sorry, there's one that's

1375
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:11,520
Speaker 2: more just one. It's the Donk fighting Edgar Berlanga, the

1376
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 2: guy who's got absolute fists of steel. Toka Khan Clary

1377
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 2: is a plus three thousand underdog, and some places have

1378
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 2: Shaker Stevenson and I'm not exaggerating as high as minus

1379
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 2: seven thousand. I don't think I've ever seen that may fight.

1380
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 2: I literally don't think I've everten Now Berloga is as

1381
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 2: high as minus ten thousand against Uluses Sierra.

1382
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 1: So boxing this is Grant might as well be Grant's tomb. Yeah,

1383
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 1: all right, So Toka kon clear he's not gonna win.

1384
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 1: But Luke I like the guy. He's been a fun fighter,

1385
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:51,120
Speaker 1: He's had Freddy Rochet sometimes as his trainer. He lives

1386
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 1: in Rhode Island. He comes to fight. But Stevenson's the

1387
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:56,080
Speaker 1: real deal. Maybe this will be a showcase. Stay busy.

1388
01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:57,440
Speaker 1: By the way, there are a lot of top ringing

1389
01:05:57,480 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 1: prospects on this card, including who you mention in Berloga

1390
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 1: the super middleweight. I believe Prospect, who's what like eighteen

1391
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 1: and oh with eighteen first round KOs and he's got

1392
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:09,439
Speaker 1: like Snoop Dogg and Fat Joe on his side too, Luke,

1393
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:14,479
Speaker 1: he's something of a something like a phenomenon. There also

1394
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 1: Felix Verdejole, a lot of young guys on there, so

1395
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:19,640
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. But Luke, you could get moved

1396
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 1: to the idea of Shaquer Stevenson against Loma against maybe

1397
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 1: Tao one day.

1398
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 2: I mean, it's like, it's, dude, here's the problem. It's

1399
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:30,880
Speaker 2: not that I don't want to see these guys fight

1400
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:34,640
Speaker 2: at all. It's it's just how much filler and nonsense

1401
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 2: you have to go through to get anything that's boxing.

1402
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 1: Look, it's not gonna work for everyone. Okay, that's boxing, Luke,

1403
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 1: all right, it is what it is. By the way,

1404
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 1: Turnch Crawford tweeted two days ago, fit I'll move back

1405
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 1: down to one thirty five. That's him being frustrated with

1406
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 1: the system. Luke, I don't think he could make that

1407
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 1: weight class again, but good god, there's a lot of

1408
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 1: big business to be had at thirty five forty forty seven.

1409
01:06:57,880 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 1: If they could ever make these fights, Luke, this box

1410
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 1: fan would be fired.

1411
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 2: You know what. Good luck, you're gonna get him in

1412
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 2: twenty thirty four. So stick around, all right?

1413
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 1: Remember how long that gap? I know, we get Star

1414
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 1: Wars movies every year, now, Luke, do you remember how

1415
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 1: freaking long that gap was between the Return of the

1416
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 1: Jedi and that Phantom Menace ps? That was like thirty years?

1417
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 2: I felt like, you know, yeah, Now it's like, you know,

1418
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 2: we got we got a side jar Jar Binks project

1419
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:26,960
Speaker 2: where he goes and fucks everyone's mom. That'll be out

1420
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 2: on Disney Plus in the fall. You're like, God, damn shit.

1421
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 1: That's adult movie that you've been watching, Luke, What are

1422
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 1: you talking about here? Wow?

1423
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 2: All right, Lisa Mama.

1424
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mesa, uh, Lisa love you a long time. Oh

1425
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 1: that's that's triple racist, Luke. That I was dead wrong

1426
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:48,480
Speaker 1: for that, Luke. I was dead wrong for that joke. So,

1427
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 1: speaking of, why don't we get into your favorite subjects?

1428
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 2: Yes, let's see. Let's see what the donks have done

1429
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 2: this time.

1430
01:07:55,240 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 1: Let's see Yeah, when we take hard ls for our mistakes, Luke, Sorry,

1431
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:04,200
Speaker 1: no social justice this week. Hopefully the uh the Reverend

1432
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 1: or the Honorable Sorry Luke Bader Ginsburg can be back

1433
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 1: next week. Dead wrong this week, Luke while talking about

1434
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:15,360
Speaker 1: Kayla Harrison, who will be making another return fight before

1435
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 1: the PFL starts coming up soon under the uh what

1436
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:20,840
Speaker 1: the hell flag is she gonna fight under? Now?

1437
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 2: Luke, Well, she was inta yeah, but she's gonna she's

1438
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 2: gotta fight coming up in uh in affliction bodog one

1439
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:32,439
Speaker 2: of the yeahumph. I don't even know anyway.

1440
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:34,600
Speaker 1: I had said that she had fought out of the

1441
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:38,280
Speaker 1: PFL a couple months back in LFA. Turns out that

1442
01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:41,599
Speaker 1: was wrong. It was in Victa FC Luke, So yes,

1443
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:45,040
Speaker 1: I will take that L in mid motion. I screwed

1444
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:47,679
Speaker 1: that up. But look that's not the only Yeah, That's

1445
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:49,800
Speaker 1: not the only L I will take this week. Luke

1446
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 1: uh In talking about Brandon Moreno's interest this weekend in

1447
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:58,800
Speaker 1: winning the UFC Flyway title for Mexico. The Tijuana native,

1448
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:01,360
Speaker 1: Luke trying to do what UFC has never been able

1449
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:05,160
Speaker 1: to do. Take a Mexican born or Mexican American superstar,

1450
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:08,679
Speaker 1: put a title on them and really have them change

1451
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 1: to a degree. The culture in Mexico, which is such

1452
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 1: a boxing based culture and get it into MMA. It

1453
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:18,040
Speaker 1: did not work with Cane Velasquez, Luke Brown Pride okay,

1454
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 1: and it did not work with Eric Silva. No, I

1455
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:26,559
Speaker 1: was dead wrong there, Luke. Eric Silva's from Brazil. I

1456
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 1: was talking about Eric Perez, who used to wear Yeah,

1457
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:33,600
Speaker 1: he used to wear the luchador mask. He fought for

1458
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 1: UFC and then Belator and basically everybody else, including wherever

1459
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:41,080
Speaker 1: Kayla Harrison's fighting next. Luke, there was a short season.

1460
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember where he was. Like,

1461
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 1: maybe UFC's got something here, a Mexican born dude who

1462
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 1: can bring in the fans.

1463
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it turns out he wasn't. I think I

1464
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:54,040
Speaker 2: could be wrong about this. I think he's again, I'm

1465
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:56,080
Speaker 2: telling you, I could be wrong. I'm pretty sure he's

1466
01:09:56,120 --> 01:10:01,320
Speaker 2: in Cambat Americas. I think he's around there or some like. Okay,

1467
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 2: that's hanging out.

1468
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:07,320
Speaker 1: Yeah maybe all right, Luke, we got one more l

1469
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:10,760
Speaker 1: this week, and it's from you. Luke. You mentioned that

1470
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:14,600
Speaker 1: great Twitter exchange in which Dana wrongfully sent you to

1471
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:17,800
Speaker 1: hell and then as a as a reward for being wrong,

1472
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:20,519
Speaker 1: did come on your radio show? Right? You had mentioned

1473
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 1: that it happened in two thousand and six. Luke, I

1474
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:25,280
Speaker 1: don't even think MMA was around in two thousand and six.

1475
01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:28,559
Speaker 1: I know Twitter certainly wasn't You were talking about a

1476
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen exchange between yourself and the UFC president.

1477
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:35,839
Speaker 2: That is not correct. That is not correct.

1478
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:38,400
Speaker 1: Well, okay, I would have guessed twenty eleven. Right.

1479
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 2: Here's why that's okay. This is why this segment is

1480
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:44,320
Speaker 2: letting me down consistently. It is true that Dana went

1481
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:47,200
Speaker 2: after me. Dana has been telling me for fifteen years

1482
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:49,800
Speaker 2: he doesn't care about my opinion. It's like, do you

1483
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:52,120
Speaker 2: not care or do you care the most? I think

1484
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:55,000
Speaker 2: it's the latter. But in the case of the twenty

1485
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:57,680
Speaker 2: fourteen one, he just lashed out of me, but there

1486
01:10:57,760 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 2: was no interview that came from it. Now, I don't

1487
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:01,240
Speaker 2: think it was in two thousand and six. I think

1488
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:02,920
Speaker 2: it was closer to two thousand and eight or nine BC,

1489
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:05,840
Speaker 2: back when my original handle was at MMA Nation, that

1490
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:09,800
Speaker 2: was my first Twitter name. He went after me there

1491
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 2: for misreading a comment and I was the reason why

1492
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 2: this is relevant is because the show he came on

1493
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:17,559
Speaker 2: was my very first radio show on one O six

1494
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:20,640
Speaker 2: to seventh, The fan WJFK here in Washington, DC. But

1495
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:24,160
Speaker 2: that show ended in twenty twelve, and it was very

1496
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:27,240
Speaker 2: early on in the run where he came on, so

1497
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 2: definitely not twenty fourteen, and probably not two thousand and

1498
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 2: six either, probably two thousand and eight or two thousand

1499
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:34,040
Speaker 2: and nine. But he didn't apologize for the one in

1500
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:36,160
Speaker 2: twenty fourteen, He just wrote it out. The one he

1501
01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:38,840
Speaker 2: apologized for was that first one back when I was

1502
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:41,519
Speaker 2: running Bloody Elbow, because he misinterpreted what I said. And

1503
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:44,559
Speaker 2: it was actually Bodor who worked at USA Today that

1504
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 2: intervened on my behalf that got him to apologize, and

1505
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:49,680
Speaker 2: then he came on. But in twenty fourteen he just

1506
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:51,120
Speaker 2: sent me to hell and that was the end of it.

1507
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:55,439
Speaker 2: So once again, once again the listeners just letting me down.

1508
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:58,240
Speaker 1: Well, I got two things to say. One very possible

1509
01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:00,360
Speaker 1: look that this segment is a sham and just a

1510
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:03,000
Speaker 1: setup to get you angry, which I'm all for. Number Two,

1511
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 1: I have done a little tweeter research twet tweeter research.

1512
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:11,880
Speaker 1: June fifteenth, twenty ten, at nine forty six pm, Dana

1513
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:17,599
Speaker 1: White tweeted at MMA Nation and el Thomas News and said, yes,

1514
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:21,679
Speaker 1: since I was a dick by mistake. Contact Jen Wenke.

1515
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:23,599
Speaker 1: Did you contact the Wenky Luke?

1516
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:26,400
Speaker 2: I did well, Jen Wank. I did contact Jen Wank,

1517
01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 2: who still works in the industry. Who was who? Jen Wank?

1518
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 2: Every time I had a business dealing with her went

1519
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:36,719
Speaker 2: out of her way to be as awful as possible

1520
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:40,160
Speaker 2: to me, although she did manage to set this interview up.

1521
01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:42,200
Speaker 2: And actually the interview I did with Dana at the

1522
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:46,320
Speaker 2: time was great. It was actually a great interview. I

1523
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:49,480
Speaker 2: think that's the last time I've had an interview interview

1524
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:53,840
Speaker 2: with him. It's been about ten years. So there you go.

1525
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 1: Oh, I see it, Luke. So it was that same day,

1526
01:12:57,080 --> 01:13:00,280
Speaker 1: June fifteenth, twenty ten, you tweeted how is the most

1527
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:03,840
Speaker 1: successful MMA promoter on the planet? Inept? And Dana thought

1528
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:06,439
Speaker 1: you were calling him inept? And he said, you shouldn't

1529
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:08,639
Speaker 1: even respond to this douche who doesn't know shit about

1530
01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:11,720
Speaker 1: the sport MMA nation question Mark, what the f? And

1531
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:13,680
Speaker 1: then Luke, you had a legion of people come out

1532
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:16,439
Speaker 1: to defend you. Wow, this was the old wild Wild

1533
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:17,200
Speaker 1: West on Twitter.

1534
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:19,720
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, this is back in the day. So that's

1535
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:22,680
Speaker 2: what happened. He had misread it and it led to

1536
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:26,479
Speaker 2: that opportunity, which was fine. But you know, four years later,

1537
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:28,800
Speaker 2: you know, Dana and I have never seen quite seen

1538
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:31,679
Speaker 2: eyde eye. It doesn't quite understand the role of semi

1539
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:34,599
Speaker 2: adversarial media. But that's okay. I've had my fun, BC,

1540
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 2: I've had my day, and now it's time for someone

1541
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 2: else to get sent to hell.

1542
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:41,479
Speaker 1: Luke, who do you think Wenk's favorite table tennis star is?

1543
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:44,840
Speaker 2: There's gonna be? Is it Dong Dong?

1544
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:50,560
Speaker 1: Sorry, not table tennis, tramp trampoline gymnastics, Luke, do you

1545
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:53,439
Speaker 1: think it's a Chinese trampoline gymnast Dong Dong who was

1546
01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:54,559
Speaker 1: an Olympian By the way.

1547
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:58,680
Speaker 2: Luke, Uh, I don't know, I don't know. I don't know.

1548
01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:01,480
Speaker 1: All right, this show is off the rails.

1549
01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:03,800
Speaker 2: Back in the day, folks don't realize this. Like the

1550
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 2: ufc PR people now, BC, I think we can agree

1551
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:08,719
Speaker 2: to this. I have found them to be very friendly,

1552
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:13,960
Speaker 2: very accommodating, hard working, you know, and I'm not just

1553
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:16,679
Speaker 2: doing a bit here like they really are. Chris Costello

1554
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 2: is great. I don't know a lot of the other

1555
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 2: ones on.

1556
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:21,000
Speaker 1: A very no, he's the best.

1557
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:25,519
Speaker 2: Come on, she's great as well. She's awesome. It didn't

1558
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 2: used to be that way back in the days when

1559
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:30,880
Speaker 2: Jen Wink was working there. It was not great to

1560
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:33,160
Speaker 2: deal with him and it was another one and her

1561
01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:35,559
Speaker 2: initials were dB. I won't say her name, who was

1562
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:39,639
Speaker 2: absolutely the most awful person in America when she worked there.

1563
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:44,320
Speaker 2: She doesn't work there anymore, dB, but at the time, Wow,

1564
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:45,840
Speaker 2: they were not fun.

1565
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:48,200
Speaker 1: Shout out to Dave Lockett as well, not a dB

1566
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:52,080
Speaker 1: at all, Dave Lockett that great things were different in

1567
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:55,120
Speaker 1: the Dong Dong era. But speaking of tips, Luke, it's

1568
01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:58,920
Speaker 1: time for our fun weekly segment that we close Fridays

1569
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:03,439
Speaker 1: with my friend. It's called tip to tip. Just the tip,

1570
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:07,920
Speaker 1: just for a second, just to see how it feels. So, Luke,

1571
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:09,600
Speaker 1: here's the idea of the segment. If you don't know,

1572
01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:12,519
Speaker 1: it's us just giving a recommendation, a shout out, advice,

1573
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:15,439
Speaker 1: a tip of the cap to someone or something in

1574
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:17,679
Speaker 1: combat sports. And beyond, Luke, do you want to go first,

1575
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:18,160
Speaker 1: hair friend?

1576
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:21,719
Speaker 2: Sure, I will go first. So if you guys haven't

1577
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:24,439
Speaker 2: been paying attention, and this happens to have bipartisan I

1578
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:27,920
Speaker 2: won't say consensus, but certainly bipart is in momentum. There

1579
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 2: is a lot of interest in breaking up a big

1580
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:34,080
Speaker 2: tech and I think that's going to extend beyond just

1581
01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:36,760
Speaker 2: big tech. But you have seen the Justice Department who

1582
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:39,559
Speaker 2: is now going to be suing They are suing Google,

1583
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:42,479
Speaker 2: Facebook as well. There was a big suit that was

1584
01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:45,000
Speaker 2: announced about it. There's a ton of interest in breaking

1585
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:48,920
Speaker 2: them all up. And I thought to myself, well, what's

1586
01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:51,000
Speaker 2: a good thing to read that's not too long? It's

1587
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:54,680
Speaker 2: only let's see about one hundred and forty pages or

1588
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:59,200
Speaker 2: show as or so very very small and help you understand.

1589
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:01,559
Speaker 2: I reckon into this before, but I want to read

1590
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:03,320
Speaker 2: recommend it because folks always ask me what's a good

1591
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:05,639
Speaker 2: thing to read to help us understand why you would

1592
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:07,599
Speaker 2: want to break some of these things up. By the way, UFC,

1593
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:11,080
Speaker 2: you know, has certainly been getting class action sued against them,

1594
01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:12,559
Speaker 2: although don't think they're threatening to break it up, but

1595
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 2: certainly change the business. In any event, here's a great

1596
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:19,240
Speaker 2: book to read. This is the Curse of the Curse.

1597
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:21,920
Speaker 2: Can you see it? The Curse of Bigness? I'll put

1598
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:23,519
Speaker 2: it here by Tim you're.

1599
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:26,080
Speaker 1: Sure that's not the Rockos autobiography.

1600
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:29,840
Speaker 2: No, The Curse of Bigness by Tim Wu. Tim Wu

1601
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:32,240
Speaker 2: is a former Supreme Court clerk. This is the guy

1602
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:35,760
Speaker 2: that invented the term net neutrality. He's a professor at

1603
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:39,439
Speaker 2: the law school in Columbia University. He just understands the

1604
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:43,000
Speaker 2: nature of industry consolidation and then what it means to

1605
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:44,680
Speaker 2: break it all up. I read a couple of his

1606
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:46,439
Speaker 2: previous books, but the one one more important than this

1607
01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:50,000
Speaker 2: one for that was The Master Switch, where he essentially

1608
01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 2: talked about in technology, there's always this new medium that's

1609
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:57,000
Speaker 2: invented radio, television, Internet, and when it happens, there's this

1610
01:16:57,160 --> 01:17:00,679
Speaker 2: massive boom of innovation and all these players in the marketplace,

1611
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 2: and it's great for consumers. But over time there happens

1612
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:05,160
Speaker 2: to be consolidation. The only way to repair that and

1613
01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:07,599
Speaker 2: get back to a state that is much more innovative,

1614
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:10,120
Speaker 2: friendly and better for the consumers is when it gets

1615
01:17:10,160 --> 01:17:12,800
Speaker 2: too consolidated to break it up. This is not about

1616
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:18,000
Speaker 2: tech per se, but about industry consolidation more importantly, more specifically,

1617
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:20,120
Speaker 2: I should say, but if you're trying to understand where

1618
01:17:20,120 --> 01:17:24,360
Speaker 2: it appears bipartisan consensus is headed on not just big tech,

1619
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:27,000
Speaker 2: but industry consolidation in the world which we live. But

1620
01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:30,920
Speaker 2: there's only a handful of industry or airlines or telecom

1621
01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:33,439
Speaker 2: companies or you name it. This will help you get there.

1622
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:35,519
Speaker 2: The Curse of Bigness by Tim Wu. Go read it.

1623
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:39,000
Speaker 1: Wow, this guy Tim Wu talking about Bori Phil Okay,

1624
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:40,840
Speaker 1: I'll check it out, Luke. Maybe I can get woke

1625
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:43,960
Speaker 1: to things like monopska kies in uh park place and

1626
01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:48,080
Speaker 1: boardwalk and all that stuff. All right, hey, Luke, look me.

1627
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:50,240
Speaker 1: All my kids always ask me it's the holiday season,

1628
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:53,880
Speaker 1: and they do. They love themselves some elf some home alone.

1629
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:57,240
Speaker 1: There was like, Dad, what's your favorite Christmas movie? And Looke,

1630
01:17:57,280 --> 01:17:59,680
Speaker 1: I don't have like a go to like I really like,

1631
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:02,280
Speaker 1: you know, those Claymation favorites like the Rudolph one that

1632
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:04,960
Speaker 1: we all love and Jack Frost the Clavers, and I

1633
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:07,160
Speaker 1: always thought that was a very uh one, you know,

1634
01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 1: good one. But I don't have that, like die harder

1635
01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:12,280
Speaker 1: that go to one. So I started really thinking about it,

1636
01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:14,439
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna come out of the closet on a

1637
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:17,080
Speaker 1: guilty pleasure. It might be my favorite Christmas movie of

1638
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:18,680
Speaker 1: all time. And you might laugh at me, Luke, but

1639
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:21,679
Speaker 1: I'm nostalgic and I don't care two thousand and seven's

1640
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:25,040
Speaker 1: romantic comedy called Holiday and Handcuffs. I don't know I

1641
01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:28,080
Speaker 1: you've ever seen this piece of holiday business. It debuted

1642
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:30,479
Speaker 1: on I believe it was called ABC Family back then.

1643
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:32,720
Speaker 1: I remember the first year watching it with my wife

1644
01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:36,120
Speaker 1: when we were newlyweds. It stars Ac Slater and Sabrina

1645
01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:39,559
Speaker 1: the teenage Witch, and Luke. It's a freaking hilarious holiday

1646
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:41,720
Speaker 1: Christmas movie. And I don't care what you think about it.

1647
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:45,000
Speaker 1: I want you a Bueila, your lovely wife, Uncle Peep,

1648
01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:48,040
Speaker 1: everybody to gather around the TV and celebrate and watch

1649
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:50,760
Speaker 1: it this year. It's hilarious. I show it to my

1650
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:53,479
Speaker 1: family members and they laugh out loud. It's just a

1651
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:57,479
Speaker 1: feel good annual Campbell family tradition. Do we have any pictures? Miniach?

1652
01:18:57,560 --> 01:19:01,400
Speaker 1: Do we have any footage here? No? No, we got

1653
01:19:01,439 --> 01:19:05,960
Speaker 1: any footage of your wrap? No footage? Sorry? Sorry, good thing.

1654
01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 1: I gave this an advance so that we can grab

1655
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:11,360
Speaker 1: the footage from it. Luke. It's a very fun holiday movie.

1656
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:13,479
Speaker 1: And look, I me Ac Slater is involved. You know

1657
01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:15,720
Speaker 1: there's a you know, he gets kidnapped. I mean it's

1658
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:17,760
Speaker 1: it's you know, all right. That's my tips did you

1659
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:18,519
Speaker 1: see that he's in.

1660
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:22,719
Speaker 2: A KFC inspired like romance movie.

1661
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I'm Mario Lopez. I have not looked too

1662
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:31,720
Speaker 1: deep into that, and I have not watched the Save

1663
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:34,559
Speaker 1: by the Bell reboot series yet. Have you looked, Lukey?

1664
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:37,439
Speaker 2: Have you No? I'll say, in my house when Christmas

1665
01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:40,879
Speaker 2: is on, the two movies that get the widest rotation

1666
01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:44,599
Speaker 2: are Elf and Bad Santa. Those are our two go

1667
01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:45,240
Speaker 2: tos here.

1668
01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:49,720
Speaker 1: Not Bad, not Bad. I watched Christmas Vacation with with

1669
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:51,280
Speaker 1: the Kids for the first time the other night. Was

1670
01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:53,559
Speaker 1: it was a It was a rousing success. Look okay,

1671
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:56,519
Speaker 1: hard to go wrong with v Yeah, I mean, come on,

1672
01:19:56,560 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 1: it's it's automatic there. Oh, Luke, I wanted to shout.

1673
01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:02,800
Speaker 1: I found this weird shirt here greetings from tattooin in

1674
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:05,559
Speaker 1: my drawer this morning, Luke. Okay, And I've been thinking, Luke.

1675
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:07,840
Speaker 1: You know you know me, Luke. I come from a

1676
01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:10,600
Speaker 1: factory town. I come from Naugatuk, Connecticut, which is, you know,

1677
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:12,680
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, the industrial armpit of this

1678
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:16,240
Speaker 1: rich and snobby state. It's the tattooin, Luke, right, you

1679
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:18,320
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like, like the Bible said, what

1680
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:21,920
Speaker 1: good could come from Nazareth besides the savior of the world. Luke,

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Speaker 1: I feel like Morning Combat was kind of like the

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01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:29,240
Speaker 1: tattooin of this solar system to start off right, and

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01:20:29,320 --> 01:20:32,080
Speaker 1: now it's kind of like this desert, you know, band

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01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:35,160
Speaker 1: of scoundrels. Here at most Isley Spaceport is the place

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01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:37,599
Speaker 1: to be out of nowhere, Luke, I feel good about

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01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:38,360
Speaker 1: wearing this right.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that's the right analogy at all. We

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01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:45,040
Speaker 2: didn't start out as tattooing like we had. Dude, Like

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01:20:46,160 --> 01:20:49,479
Speaker 2: I've been in tattooing in my career in places Morning Combat,

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01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:54,960
Speaker 2: ain't that like Our bosses liked us. They cared about

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01:20:54,960 --> 01:21:01,680
Speaker 2: our success. They wanted to promote us. That ain't tattooing, bro,

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01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:05,479
Speaker 2: that's more like the indoor moon well loop.

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01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:12,040
Speaker 1: Speaking of that, why do you look like my father?

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01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:17,200
Speaker 2: There is an absolute chance you have tried to bang

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01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:18,160
Speaker 2: a girl with that one.

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01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:23,519
Speaker 1: My father was not from Doha. Loo, Come with me,

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01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:28,840
Speaker 1: I'm together. We can rule the combat sports galaxy.

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01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:33,200
Speaker 2: And cow, how big is that helmet that you're fucking

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01:21:33,240 --> 01:21:34,200
Speaker 2: melon fits in there?

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01:21:37,200 --> 01:21:40,160
Speaker 1: Look you look like my father?

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01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:45,120
Speaker 2: All right?

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01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:47,760
Speaker 1: That's it, that's it, that's it, that's it. I got

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01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:49,360
Speaker 1: I don't have any more props. That's it.

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01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:51,880
Speaker 2: That's fucking all right. Where'd you get that? I want

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01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:52,360
Speaker 2: one of those?

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01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:54,960
Speaker 1: My kids? You know, we buy we spend all this

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01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:56,840
Speaker 1: money on toys for the kids. They never use them.

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01:21:56,880 --> 01:21:59,040
Speaker 1: They end up in my office, Luke, every single every

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01:21:59,040 --> 01:21:59,680
Speaker 1: single one of them.

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Speaker 2: All right, that's what it's about. I buy my daughter

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01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:04,599
Speaker 2: all this stuff, and she just cares about the She's

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01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:06,040
Speaker 2: like my cat. It's like, oh, I like the box

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01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:07,960
Speaker 2: that it came in. It's like, okay, exactly.

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01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:10,400
Speaker 1: You know, if it's not Fortnite these days, Luke, what

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01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:11,559
Speaker 1: is it? Right? You know?

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01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:15,080
Speaker 2: By the way, breaking news, Brandon Moreno also makes weight

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01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:17,479
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty four point five. Your main event

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01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:22,400
Speaker 2: assuming no one has COVID is official. There we go, buddy.

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01:22:22,360 --> 01:22:25,840
Speaker 1: I'm down. Please check out all of our content on

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01:22:25,880 --> 01:22:28,400
Speaker 1: the Morning Combat YouTube channel. Please like this video, subscribe

1721
01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:31,479
Speaker 1: all that good stuff. Shout out to It's a holiday season, Luke.

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01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:34,200
Speaker 1: Whatever you're celebrating, right, Jay and his tribe. Shout out

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01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:37,719
Speaker 1: to them for Hanukkah, no doubt, enjoy the holiday. Be safe, guys, Okay,

1724
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:40,559
Speaker 1: check us out on social there's there are handles, of course.

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01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:43,720
Speaker 1: The Morning Coombat at gmail dot com is where you

1726
01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:47,400
Speaker 1: can send your fan submissions, your artwork, your all that stuff.

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01:22:47,439 --> 01:22:51,000
Speaker 1: Luke that we had some fan freak fantastic fan submissions

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01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:55,240
Speaker 1: on Wednesday. Follow us on social media. Let's let's take care,

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01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:57,040
Speaker 1: let's take care of our brain, Luke. I heard a

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01:22:57,200 --> 01:22:59,240
Speaker 1: very good interview. I want to shout it out more

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01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:01,920
Speaker 1: over now. Who we Love from Showtime was on the

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01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:05,439
Speaker 1: Showtime Boxing podcast with Raskin and mulvaney this past week

1733
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:08,040
Speaker 1: and they did a bit. They did a long thing

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01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:11,200
Speaker 1: on mental health and you know, hanging in there through

1735
01:23:11,200 --> 01:23:13,960
Speaker 1: the quarantine. It was, it was inspiring, it was it

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01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:16,320
Speaker 1: was great stuff. So I shout out to those guys, Luke,

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01:23:16,439 --> 01:23:21,400
Speaker 1: even you a pillar of strength and individualism, even you

1738
01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:23,040
Speaker 1: need to check yourself once in a while and make

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01:23:23,080 --> 01:23:25,040
Speaker 1: sure you're doing okay. It's tough times out there, Luke.

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01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:29,679
Speaker 2: Okay, it certainly is. But I have nothing to complain about. Again.

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01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:31,160
Speaker 2: That was so funny. It was like people were like, oh,

1742
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:32,400
Speaker 2: did you go to a job interview. I'm like, you

1743
01:23:32,479 --> 01:23:34,679
Speaker 2: know what, man, For the first time in my career,

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01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:36,800
Speaker 2: I've said this too, that I said this yesterday my chat.

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01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:38,960
Speaker 2: This is the first time in my career BC, since

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01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:42,040
Speaker 2: I graduated college, I've had one job. This is my

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01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:44,760
Speaker 2: first time as an adult, I've had one job, and

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01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:46,679
Speaker 2: it's so far been maybe the best one I've had

1749
01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:49,360
Speaker 2: on top of it. Wow, So I don't have any

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01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:51,439
Speaker 2: desire to go anywhere. I'm trying to build this thing

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01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:54,479
Speaker 2: and make it. I want to make it. You know,

1752
01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:56,120
Speaker 2: what's the best place to be in the in the

1753
01:23:56,160 --> 01:23:57,960
Speaker 2: Star Wars universe. I don't even know the answer to that,

1754
01:23:58,040 --> 01:23:59,200
Speaker 2: But wherever that.

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01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:02,880
Speaker 1: Is, hit that right there, because look, the green Moon

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01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:04,560
Speaker 1: of endor is. I mean, you can go to a

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01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:07,400
Speaker 1: e walk party. It's fantastic, right, they'll, they'll, they'll and

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01:24:07,439 --> 01:24:10,360
Speaker 1: they burn their dead too, which is interesting. I always thought,

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01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:12,720
Speaker 1: where was that place that on Padme grew up on?

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01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:15,080
Speaker 1: It was just lush and beautiful, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Karelia was the shitty one that Han grew

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01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:18,920
Speaker 2: up on, So forget that.

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01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:20,360
Speaker 1: Yeah that's where he got that ship.

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01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:22,120
Speaker 2: Course not pretty good, No.

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01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:25,360
Speaker 1: That's course was like the Government Center, very beautiful, big

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01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:27,479
Speaker 1: buildings there. There was that at the end of the

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Speaker 1: Phantom Menace. There was that uh Gungan party that you

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01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:32,559
Speaker 1: know they had and they rocked out. Oh right, right, right, right,

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Speaker 1: I forgot the name of where pad they was from.

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Speaker 1: That was like Rolling Hills. Remember they went in the

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Speaker 1: grass and and that dirt hole Anakin, you know, how

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01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:41,880
Speaker 1: did he get her?

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Speaker 2: Luke?

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Speaker 1: I mean seriously in storyline, like, come on right.

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Speaker 2: Well, when you're Darth Vader. You know, we've always said

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Speaker 2: on my radio show that existed, Darth Vader is probably

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01:24:51,160 --> 01:24:53,840
Speaker 2: more likely to cut all the neighbors than any other

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01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:57,400
Speaker 2: person in you know, human history. So you know, I'm

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Speaker 2: not the least bit surprised that he did some dirt

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01:24:59,160 --> 01:25:01,960
Speaker 2: hole things like that. But uh yeah, dude, like I, I

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01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:04,120
Speaker 2: have nothing to complain about. I have nothing to complain about.

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01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:07,760
Speaker 2: So I wonder hare being you know, a disaster and

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01:25:08,160 --> 01:25:09,840
Speaker 2: everything else. But I can't everything that's not that's not

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01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:12,439
Speaker 2: MK's fault, and MK can't fix that. So that's what

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Speaker 2: it is.

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Speaker 1: Darth wasn't Karelian. Uh yeah, because Anakin grew up in

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01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:19,240
Speaker 1: tattooed Luke. I wonder if, though, if Anakin was very Sephreddian,

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Speaker 1: and that's why it was. You know, he was able

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01:25:21,439 --> 01:25:24,719
Speaker 1: to secure government royalty like Padme so easily.

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Speaker 2: Right, we Padme's planet was Naboo, was it Naboo.

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Speaker 1: Naboo. Naboo is that Naboo is basically like Washington State, Luke,

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01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:35,479
Speaker 1: my dream is to go to Washington State. I follow

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01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:38,040
Speaker 1: up Bill and Jen's RV adventure on Instagram. Big fans

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01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:40,920
Speaker 1: of our show. They're just showing, they're just dropping beautiful, Luke.

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01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:42,839
Speaker 1: The Pacific Northwest, that's Naboo.

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Speaker 2: I want to be there, Okay, I feel you. I've

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01:25:44,720 --> 01:25:47,000
Speaker 2: never been out to Seattle or Oregon, but I hear

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01:25:47,080 --> 01:25:51,320
Speaker 2: it's phenomenal and you can go whale watching your breath

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01:25:51,320 --> 01:25:53,519
Speaker 2: of fresh air in the forest, get a good cup

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Speaker 2: of Joe, maybe go fight sparka ja.

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01:25:57,479 --> 01:26:01,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's great. You know anything else you want

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01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:03,120
Speaker 1: to shout out here, Luke, We're just you know, we're

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01:26:03,160 --> 01:26:04,160
Speaker 1: just we're just lingering.

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01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:07,240
Speaker 2: Okay. We will have us you two fifty six coverage tomorrow.

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01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:10,040
Speaker 2: Nice likely sure what format it will take, but be

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01:26:10,120 --> 01:26:12,719
Speaker 2: on the lookout for that. So yeah, tons of stuff

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01:26:12,720 --> 01:26:13,599
Speaker 2: coming your way this weekend.

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Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere, all right, wear a mask, wash your

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01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:21,120
Speaker 1: freaking hands, and thank you to Showtime, Malcolm, CBS Sports,

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01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:23,439
Speaker 1: and thank you to you folks. We don't have anything

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01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:25,960
Speaker 1: without you, Okay, So thank you for following our work.

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01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:29,720
Speaker 1: I know this. Sometimes this relationship is very give right,

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01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:34,200
Speaker 1: and you receive, but your subscriptions, your likes, all that,

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01:26:34,360 --> 01:26:36,040
Speaker 1: it gives back to us in so many ways. So

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01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:39,400
Speaker 1: thank you for wearing our merch and all that. All

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01:26:39,479 --> 01:26:41,519
Speaker 1: that and then some tall, pale and handsome it's your boy,

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01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:44,840
Speaker 1: BC signing off for the great Luke Thomas. What come on?

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01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:46,960
Speaker 1: You know we we sling jokes left and right, But

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01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:49,320
Speaker 1: who am I without Luke Thomas's fan base and his

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01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:50,080
Speaker 1: you know?

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01:26:50,120 --> 01:26:53,240
Speaker 2: And will you stop? Will you stop? Will you step on?

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01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:56,200
Speaker 2: A usual effort? It's a it's a it's a you know,

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01:26:56,360 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 2: it's a zero in a one the binary code. You

1824
01:26:58,400 --> 01:26:59,559
Speaker 2: got to have both for it to work.

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01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:03,120
Speaker 1: Luke, I'm kind of the sweater to your cosby, right.

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01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:07,040
Speaker 2: No, uh no, you are none of those things. We are.

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01:27:08,600 --> 01:27:09,560
Speaker 1: Your Cosby.

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01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:13,519
Speaker 2: You might be that, you might be all.

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01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:17,200
Speaker 1: Right for Luke Thomas and all of his loyal gains.

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Speaker 1: I'm Brian Campbell signing off. This is Morning Combat and

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Speaker 1: we got two words for you folks. We outs