1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Cool People Did Cool Stuff, a 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: podcast about Ian our audio producer. I'm your host, Bargot Hills, right, 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: and each week I say the exact same thing by 4 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: way of introduction, based with the Sissifian task of doing 5 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: my rather easy job. This week's guest is Alex Fields. Alex, 6 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: how are you doing? I'm pretty good. I'm pretty good. 7 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: I've cooled down since last time. Yeah, it's totally a 8 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: different day. Oh yes, I've been wearing a wetsuit full 9 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: of ice cubes. It's great, excellent. Yeah, I don't know that. 10 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 1: That's a weird Dutch thing, I guess y yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 11 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: Uh that's how you prepare for surfing in the North Sea. 12 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: Yeah that's probably true. Okay. Uh, Sophie is here playing 13 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:45,599 Speaker 1: the part of the Voice of God. Sophie, how are 14 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: you am I the voice to God? Or is the 15 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: zoom lady that makes the service announcement that we're recording 16 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: the Voice of God? Okay, well you're the one who 17 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: um makes that happen, so you're sort of more like 18 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: the Pope podcast Pope. I'll take it. Okay, we'll get 19 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: you ahead into a gnosticism. Then the zoom Lady would 20 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: be Metatron and Sophie is the real deity behind it. 21 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:13,199 Speaker 1: I think that that is actually what's happening. Um. Also 22 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: is the third time that narcissism has come up in 23 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: the past like three days for me, so clearly, clearly 24 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: something something's happening. Yeah, I never talked about it, so 25 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 1: the fact that I bring it up now is definitely okay. 26 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,119 Speaker 1: And Ian as our editor on women, made our theme music, 27 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: and you the listener, responsible for the end of all 28 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 1: human society because you didn't recycle. It's too late now 29 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 1: and we are talking about how cool it is to 30 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: break into empty buildings and live in them. In the 31 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: first part, we learned about the squatters in the Netherlands, 32 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: and in the second part we're gonna keep learning about 33 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: the squatters in the Netherlands. What a fun word squatter? 34 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: You want to say that, Sophie, squatter? See, isn't it fun? 35 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: Or if you're from your squatter now, if I did 36 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: a bad job, I tried, okay, But within Baltimore, b 37 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 1: squitter squitter Yeah, Yeah, there's parts of Maryland like squatter. 38 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: That's all. It's squatter. Yeah, I can make fun of 39 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: l A now. That I don't live there, or we 40 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 1: can say Kraken there you go, yes, which is even 41 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: spelled like the sea beast, which is extra cool. So 42 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:34,639 Speaker 1: where we last left our heroes, all of whom are anonymous. 43 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: There's very few names in this story, which is kind 44 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 1: of cool. It's all just like groups of people who 45 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: wanted houses rather than like movement leaders and ship. I've 46 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 1: actually never studied a movement with fewer like named leaders, 47 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: especially a movement that got so much done. Anyway, they 48 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: are organizing demonstrations against the coronation of Beatrix, who does 49 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: get a name. Um, she's not anonymous, she's fairly known 50 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:02,079 Speaker 1: to history. The police attacked really hard on Coronation Day 51 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: ten Thou police attacked two different demonstrations with water cannons 52 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,519 Speaker 1: and horses and and all that ship. Over six d 53 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: people were injured. The police were driven back though in 54 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: both places, and the riots are possibly the largest in 55 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: Dutch history. I that that might that might well be. 56 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: That might well be. So it's it's interesting, like I 57 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: haven't really studied this history, but like as uh, someone 58 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: active in the Netherlands, you just through osmos as you 59 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: get bits and pieces of it. And this hane wowning 60 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: think crowning. Ah Uh. These riots, Um, they like you get, 61 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: you get these bits and bobs of it, like what 62 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: you what you say, like the police being driven back 63 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: in two places, like one of them being the amstel 64 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: Bruck in front of what is now the new municipal headquarters. Um. 65 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: And this whole thing like a like armored vehicles and 66 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: the sheer amount of violence and the amount of the 67 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: police being there on the day. Yeah. No, I And 68 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: it's interesting because there's not that much available in English 69 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:16,559 Speaker 1: about it. Um. Even the like the book I'm reading 70 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 1: on the squatter movement was like and then the like 71 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: biggest riots in our history anyway. So then back to 72 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: the squatting and I'm like, huh, but I kind of 73 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 1: want to know about this thing that you know. Um. 74 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: But yeah, and and once again the squatters and the 75 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 1: in this movie, in this case, these demonstrations were larger 76 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 1: than just the squatter movement. Although they performed, they created 77 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: like a lot of the organizational core of it as 78 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: far as I understand, UM. And they very consciously we're like, 79 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: we're not afraid of violence, but we will stop short 80 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 1: of the molotov and we will stop short of the pistol, 81 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: not unless the police and police initiate lethal force first. Um, 82 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: they had molotovs and pistols, but they were they were 83 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: not on the scene. Um at least again the best 84 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 1: I can tell from what I'm reading. And I have 85 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: one story about a named squatter that I like. The 86 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: radio equipment in the Great Kaiser where they had the 87 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: free you know, free radio Kaiser or whatever, UM was 88 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 1: put to a new use during these riots. Carol Facade. 89 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 1: I don't know how to pronounce his last name. I 90 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: should have looked it up. He was yeah, yeah, okay, Carol. 91 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: He was a He was a squatter out of necessity. 92 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: He had been born into a working class family. He 93 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 1: was living on the streets at eighteen, so he became 94 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: a squatter and he cut his his riot radio teeth 95 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 1: listening to police radio during squatter riots. And this is 96 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: part of the whole counterinformation stuff that squatters have going 97 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 1: on really well. By the time of the coronation, he 98 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: brought a different set of radio equipment into the squad 99 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: into the Great Kaiser and into a barricaded room on 100 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: the top floor where everyone could escape out of hatch 101 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: if they needed to. And the roof as was stocked 102 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: with refrigerators and buckets of motor oil in case they 103 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: needed to drop refrigerators and or buckets of motor oil 104 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 1: onto anybody from from their roof. The pantry was stocked 105 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: with fireworks. And these four radio operators who are on 106 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: the top floor, they have two groups. And I'm going 107 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: to quote Caddle directly. You could interfere by putting a 108 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: carrier wave on the police signal and transmitting at the 109 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 1: same moment the police did. We made sure that the 110 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: police speakers would make a screeching sound or a low hum. 111 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: All those noises really grated on the police officers nerves. 112 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: We could hear commanders swear and get frustrated. This created 113 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: even more chaos on the streets. Wow, they were just 114 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: like effectively like blocking and frustrating the police their own 115 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 1: communications at this moment. Yeah, just just jamming it, just 116 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: flooding it with more ship And so two of them 117 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: were doing that, and two of them were monitoring what 118 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: police communications they could and basically coordinating together. And then 119 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 1: at the end of the day they unloaded all the equipment, 120 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: packed it into their cars and drove away. And you know, 121 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 1: I guess it had been long enough ago that this 122 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: guy was willing to give an interview about this, like 123 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 1: forty years later or whatever. That's that's fascinating. So I 124 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 1: never never knew this, Like maybe people were like deeper 125 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: into like squatting itself. Um, I might might know more 126 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: of this, But I thought you were going to say, 127 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: like the radio equipment was for the coordination among squatters 128 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: an activists that day, but that's completely separate. Still, yeah, yeah, 129 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: I don't know whether you know. I kind of presume 130 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: since these people are all really good at radio and 131 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: had all this equipment, they probably were doing communication, you know, 132 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: coordinating or whatever, especially since they drove back like ten 133 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: thousand cops, um, which coordination is a useful component of helps. 134 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: But and then also during the coordination or maybe during 135 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: the month leading up to it fifty but I think 136 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: possibly on the day of fifty two, luxury apartments were 137 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: squatted h and people moved into very nice apartments. Unfortunately, 138 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: one person who moved into a various apartment was the 139 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: queen who got the queen and the coronation worked and um, 140 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: but some people got to watch police retreat and other 141 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: people got houses for a while so sometimes that's the 142 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: best you can kind of hope for, you know, compared 143 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: to a lot of demonstrations, it's a lot, you know, yeah, totally. 144 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: And so squats at this point are popping off everywhere 145 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: around the country, big and small. One in the city 146 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: of the Hague with squad in nineteen eighty It has 147 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: two people. It held a cinema and a venue and 148 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: a restaurant and a pirate radio station and published a 149 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: magazine in the whole Squad last for twenty three years 150 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: and likes. Something that I think is like kind of 151 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: almost hard to wrap our heads around, um, is the 152 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: scale of squatting. You know. Um, I I was not 153 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: able to find a solid number of squads that existed 154 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: in the early eighties. I saw it estimated and then 155 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 1: like low tens of thousands, but I'm not I'm not sure. 156 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: But that's huge. Yeah, And you know, it's everything from 157 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: like here's an a meant that a couple of people 158 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: live in to these giant complexes that have movie theaters 159 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: and ship you know, um, and it just it, I 160 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 1: don't know, it's really impressive. You know, it's it's impressive 161 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: because if you if you don't know, then you don't, 162 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:17,559 Speaker 1: you don't necessarily expect it, and you say, like, god, 163 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: they're they're squatting, they're taking this unoccupied area. Maybe they 164 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: have a nice shed somewhere or something. But no. Yeah, 165 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:28,439 Speaker 1: like even now with like much of the squatting movement, uh, 166 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: you know, really really much smaller than before. Um, in Amsterdam, 167 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:36,559 Speaker 1: there is there is like, ah, a movie theater that 168 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: you that is from the squatting movement that is like 169 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: really close to the movement still, and there are like 170 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 1: legalized squatted house groups that have like multiple front doors 171 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: that in in the back kind of connect even if 172 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: they necessarily didn't before, and like tens of people still 173 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: live there. Yeah, And it also disseminated more into like 174 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: small smaller towns and stuff. So if people are like 175 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: in their thirties or forties, usually like often they they'll 176 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,439 Speaker 1: be able to name like a squat in a in 177 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: like a nearby town or city, like not just like 178 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: Amsterdam or like the like connected big cities like, but 179 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: also like smaller places like Drowning In which was like 180 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: a provincial provincial city and name they had like big 181 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: squatting movements and cloning. It was supposedly very heavy and 182 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: at some point name had like an anarchist based UH 183 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:36,839 Speaker 1: school area that was like a school based on their 184 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: principles that lasted like for a while, based from like 185 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 1: the squatting movement, they were building up a lot of stuff. Yeah, okay, 186 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: and so so one of those squads that I was 187 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: able to find more information about one of these earlier 188 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: squads that a lot of action happened around here. Actually, well, 189 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 1: just some neat stories. I mean. One of the things 190 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:55,719 Speaker 1: that's so interesting about this is just like tons and 191 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: tons of like neat stories from all of this time. 192 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:00,319 Speaker 1: Like I remember at one point being on top of 193 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: a a squatted apartment complex that had like a courtyard 194 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:06,959 Speaker 1: in the middle, and you know, I think dozens of 195 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,559 Speaker 1: apartments and and the top is built in a way 196 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:11,559 Speaker 1: that to me reads like a castle because you have 197 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: a roof and then you have a wall, and then 198 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 1: you have the street on the other side. And people 199 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: are like, oh yeah. In the early eighties, when cops 200 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: would come down the street, we would use a catapult 201 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: and thro paint bombs that are the size of paint 202 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,959 Speaker 1: cans at the cop cars, and then the cop cars 203 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: would crash. I'm like, this is this has not mapped 204 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:36,199 Speaker 1: my experience of the world. Um. And so there's a 205 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: squat in on harng rocked in and those two attached 206 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 1: buildings and with fifty squatters broken another group of uh okay. 207 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: So the book that I'm mostly reading from in this case, 208 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 1: a lot of this is from a book called Cracking 209 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: the Movement, which is not incredibly well translated and as 210 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:57,079 Speaker 1: full of firsthand accounts. And it says, quote, some musicians 211 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: happened to be walking down the street in riot police 212 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,679 Speaker 1: unit forms and they came to play as music. So 213 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: the squatters are just dressed up like riot coups at 214 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:10,439 Speaker 1: the opening of the squad um with instruments and just 215 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,319 Speaker 1: came and played. And maybe it was to cover the 216 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: sound of like the alarms or I don't I have 217 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: no fucking clue. I wish I knew why did they 218 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: do this? I don't know? Um the same. So there's 219 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff like that that that's like 220 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: why why did they do this? How did they get 221 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 1: away with this? Is this? Is this the Netherlands? Yeah, 222 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 1: like like they were like back in um and that 223 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: I can't exactly place this, but they were like really 224 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: sympathetic judges in the Netherlands, like where they said like, 225 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,599 Speaker 1: well there was there was this confrontation and there was 226 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: the police, and now people get get sued for violence 227 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:51,079 Speaker 1: against the police because of bricks were thrown, et cetera allegedly, 228 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,079 Speaker 1: and then the and then like there were some some 229 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,199 Speaker 1: quit cases where the judge would go, well but I 230 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: mean like, uh, they're they're wearing helmets, right, I mean 231 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: the police were wearing Hell, that's no problem. Yeah, it's 232 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: completely like ha, how how does that happen? Yeah? Yeah, 233 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: I remember when I first showed up, I had just 234 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: missed the eviction of a squad called UM the punk 235 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: rock in Unbroken and and it had been this like 236 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:24,839 Speaker 1: huge elaborate eviction UM and I don't know and like 237 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 1: someone like went to jail for I think what happened 238 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:30,839 Speaker 1: was they got accused of throwing a molotov at a 239 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: cop and convicted of it and then like sentenced to 240 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: like nine months in jail versus what at the time, 241 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: there was a us UM, a U S anarchist who 242 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: was in jail for seven years were throwing a rocket 243 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: a cop and like so it the scale of everything, 244 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: it's I don't know, whatever I'm not trying to make 245 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: too big of a difference of the cultural differences, because 246 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,559 Speaker 1: I do think still like the core idea of the 247 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: way that the Dutch squad movement like built agency and 248 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:00,199 Speaker 1: took power, I think it's still really beautiful. Okay, so 249 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: the same, But also I think like these kinds of things, 250 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: they stretch what is possible. Also okay, so this isn't 251 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:11,959 Speaker 1: the normal, well so especially not now, but like, um, like, 252 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: I don't know the exact history of it, but I 253 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,559 Speaker 1: think the case can be made that actions like this 254 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: um set they also set a precedent where in under 255 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: certain circumstances, becomes possible to do more militant stuff because 256 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: there's more of a history and more of a practice 257 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: of it. Yeah. No, that's that's a really good point. 258 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: And some of the stuff that we'll talk about about. Yeah, okay, 259 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: So the same squad and herong rocked. There was a 260 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: phone in the elevator and the cops call it after 261 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: a few days, and the squatter's answer and the cops 262 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: are like, okay, we have established at the place was vacant, 263 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: so you aren't facing immediate eviction. The cops like called 264 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: to tell them that and the squatters are like, oh, 265 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: that's amazing. Um. Also, what's the phone number here? Because 266 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: they want to use the phone, and the cops are like, 267 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: we're not telling any of the fucking phone number, and 268 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: they like hang up and then the phone is disconnected 269 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: a couple of days later. But even though ostensibly the 270 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: squatters are allowed to remain until their court cases are resolved, 271 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: the owners found a loophole in that law. And that 272 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: loophole is the same loophole that cuts through most politics. 273 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: Violence correct, violence that is completely extra legal. It's not 274 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: actually a loophole in the law. It's just that owners 275 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: figured out you could just beat the ship out of 276 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: people and get what you need. Yeah, yeah, Um. Since 277 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: cops wouldn't always evicted squads, owners would just hire construction 278 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: workers and shipped to break in and beat up squatters. Um. 279 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: And the Dutch word for construction workers like oh you 280 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: should say instead of me um is this Oh yeah, 281 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: I see, I see where you're going for because there's 282 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: a joke you can make. Yeah, it sounds like ball 283 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: fucker to me. Okay, yeah, yeah, I got the funk 284 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: out the fucker one. Yeah. These are completely different words, 285 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: of course, but yeah, no absolute language. This is why 286 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: actually no one was friends with me in the Netherlands, 287 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: as I kept thinking Dutch words were funny. Um, but yeah, 288 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: like and so so construction workers or just like thugs 289 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: basically basically like owners hire people and are like, hey, 290 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: go beat up these like, you know, scrawny squatter punks 291 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: or whatever. And I don't know, and so it's just 292 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: like sometimes like while I was there, even you know, 293 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: he goes, everyone has to go sleep at the squad 294 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: for a night or two in case the ball bockers 295 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: show up to fight. And I'm glad I never had 296 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: to fight them personally. But squatters would fight them off, 297 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: and they would fight them off by standing on the 298 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: roof and throwing bricks, adam and ship and as owners 299 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: would hire people to beat up the squatters, the squatters 300 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: retaliated and they would go directly to the owner's homes 301 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: because the squatters are very good at finding information about 302 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: who owns what buildings and things, and they would like 303 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: break out windows and throw smoke bombs into owners houses 304 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: and and retaliate to them being you know, thrown out 305 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: onto the street or illegally evicted and all this ship 306 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: and so rooftops ended up getting barricaded with like barbed 307 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: wire and searchlights in case gangs try and break in 308 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: over the rooftops, and and everyone went so hard, right, 309 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 1: but for a couple of different reasons. First, being a 310 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 1: squatter beats being homeless. And second I would say the 311 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: Dutch squad scene is where I learned what solidarity looks 312 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 1: like um and what collective responsibility really can look like. 313 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: If you make it really hard for people to funk 314 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 1: with you, you make people a lot less likely to 315 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: funk with the next person, and you know, so that 316 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,719 Speaker 1: they became this attitude of like we always fight evictions 317 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: because that is how we keep this whole thing going. 318 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: And this is hard to set up, Like I've heard 319 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: people speaking like frustrations, like how do you mean, how 320 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: do you maintain this this mode? Or how do you 321 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: keep getting the people to to show up? And it's 322 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 1: like with certain houses, if you if you squat there 323 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: with certain groups, and especially the more politicized ones, like 324 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: I've heard people say like we had the rule like 325 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 1: if you live in this house, you go to the 326 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: squatting action and if you weren't there, you need a 327 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 1: good excuse. But although because otherwise we will talk to 328 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 1: you because you're supposed to be in solidarity with the rest. Yeah, 329 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 1: and it it's interesting how it cuts across like who 330 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: you like, you know, like people show up with squad 331 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: actions or people that they can't stand UM at least 332 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: some of the stuff that I saw or heard about, 333 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 1: you know, And yeah, this this expectation. If you are 334 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: a squatter, you go to squad actions whether you want 335 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: to or not. UM, which is interesting, right because you're 336 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 1: creating this social pressure. But it is like, well, I 337 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: don't know, it's that's the movement that is providing your 338 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: housing for free. It makes sense to keep some skin 339 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: in the game. And with like there would be exceptions, 340 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: right like if someone was undocumented and you know, or 341 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: had overstayed their visa or whatever, like you know, if 342 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: people like couldn't risk arrest. I think that people weren't 343 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: asking them to come. But as you as you said, 344 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: like you know, you need to need an excuse or 345 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: otherwise you're you're going. Yeah. But also it's not also 346 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: not like UM like standards. So there's this The solarity 347 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 1: is really really good and really strong, and they were 348 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,640 Speaker 1: able to maintain it with a lot of the people participating, 349 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 1: but also there were like situations where like people were 350 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 1: helped to a squatted building and then like organized crime 351 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: showed up, and then people came to defend the squad 352 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: while like some of the people living in or like 353 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 1: a lot of them in some cases inside were like 354 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 1: almost like oblivious to what was happening. There's just an 355 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: easy place to just move in and they and maybe 356 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 1: they weren't like ah, that connected yet, or they didn't 357 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 1: know or they were new. But but you have this 358 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,959 Speaker 1: situation like sometimes this is sort of like frustrating, kind 359 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: of disconnecting. Like the people you're like, this is an 360 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 1: important thing, this is a political action, and also we're 361 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: fighting to maintain this while like people inside are like 362 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: I don't even know, Yeah, like I just wanted a 363 00:19:55,640 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: free place to sleep. Um, speaking of organized I'm we 364 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 1: live under a system by which people force us to 365 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: participate in capitalism, which feels like organized crime. And we 366 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: also are sponsored by capitalism. No, we're supposed to only 367 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: be sponsored by good things. Um, it's almost like there's 368 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:26,199 Speaker 1: a contradiction that I face by by trying to do this. Sophie, 369 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: you seem like the things that are legal are the worst, right, Yeah, 370 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 1: that's true, organized legal crime the okay whatever, here's some 371 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 1: advertisers and we are back and we are talking about Yeah, 372 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: like that's actually one of the things that I wanted 373 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: to know more about, because you know, I keep reading 374 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 1: about like thugs showing up or construction workers showing up, 375 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 1: but I'm also aware of organized crime as being participated 376 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 1: in this. The squad I lived the longest in in 377 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 1: the Netherlands. Um was mafia leader, had gone to prison 378 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: for being a mafia leader. So people moved into his 379 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: mansion and that's where I lived. I think I know 380 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 1: where this is going. And it ruled h and you know, 381 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: and that every now and then, like mafia guys would 382 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 1: show up at the front door being like we think 383 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: you should leave, and like people were like, no, we 384 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: have very good barricades and we're good, and then they 385 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 1: would leave. Um. I don't know, I like, like I said, 386 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 1: I don't really have like a structured knowledge knowledge of it. 387 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: But you hear like a lot of weird stories come 388 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: by like this kind of steam like oh, it's our 389 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: building and we want it. Um, and then there's just 390 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: like often organized crime is quite conservative and uh so there. 391 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: I've heard stories and not trust who they are of 392 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: like Hell's Angels, gangs joining the police to fight squatters 393 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 1: for instance. Yeah, but I've also stories of like, um, 394 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: places being squatted where the owner has a problem with 395 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: organized crime and then some very friendly thugs keep coming back. Hey, hello, 396 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: Well I love what you've done with the place. Love 397 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 1: it nice. So here's my phone number. Hey, if this 398 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: guy who owns this place comes by, would you be 399 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,919 Speaker 1: a dog give us a ring? And that's I mean, 400 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: that's the three way fight thing, right, that is the 401 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: like you know, um, yeah, that's a very nice situation 402 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:40,479 Speaker 1: to have. But also like where other situations like um, 403 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,120 Speaker 1: so this is a story I've heard where people would 404 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: have had squatted a house hm um, and some some 405 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: mafia people came over and they were like some kind 406 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 1: of a shady folk and then they'll come by and 407 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: they're like, hey, that's better, better get out. We wanna 408 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: we need with just get out and uh and there 409 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: was like no, no, we're fine. And then at night 410 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 1: they get broken into and like beating the ship out 411 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: of and then they find that in the morning when 412 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: they're still there because they're not like taken out of 413 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: it like the building was then left arelic but then 414 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: they find that in some part of the building there 415 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: was a safe that was now empty. Oh shit, like 416 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 1: this kind of stuff would happen also, yeah, no, that 417 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: makes sense. And then there's some people like more recently, 418 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 1: let's say, like you know, squatting film the mafia is 419 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: nice because they don't call the cops. So just if 420 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: you if you have enough friends that they don't want 421 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: to bother it, whither with it, then it's fine because 422 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: you know they're Yeah, so it's it's easier than dealing 423 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: with the bureaucracy. And I think that's where where I lived. 424 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: I think that was the reason it lasted for a 425 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: while was because well, the owners in jail, like I 426 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: don't know, he wasn't starting the corporate sidings against us. 427 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 1: But one thing you said, okay, like to one of 428 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: the things that he said, oh well, I like what 429 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: you've done with the place. One of the things that 430 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: really comes up when you start talking people about squatting, 431 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: there's this conception of like basically like people coming in 432 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:12,479 Speaker 1: and trashing places, um, and that absolutely happens sometimes, right, 433 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 1: But one of the things that I was really struck 434 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 1: by was that overall, people are incredibly industrious at turning 435 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: places into living places and like beautifying it, not necessarily 436 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: in ways that owners would like, but certainly ways that 437 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: squatters would like. I mean, I remember going into a 438 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 1: place that was a you know, it's like four stories 439 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 1: and there were no floors. When people moved in, it 440 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 1: was a shell of a house, and they literally built 441 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 1: the floors kind of in the middle as like kind 442 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 1: of almost like it looked like a like a jungle gym. 443 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 1: You know. They just like put construction polls up and 444 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: then built floors, and then there's just like you know, 445 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,400 Speaker 1: if you're on the top floor, you could fall forty 446 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: feet if you were drunk. But fortunately no one was 447 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,919 Speaker 1: ever drunk. No, people are drunk all the time, probably 448 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: for the best. But they entered into a relaxed state. 449 00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: You know. That helped me. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But this 450 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 1: is this is interesting. So um, there's like a lot 451 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: of because you say like that the bow puckers were 452 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: like the like often called in as thugs. Um, but 453 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 1: there's like a lot of like construction people or people 454 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: who have learned to love or do construction within within squatting. 455 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: Because of all this like d I y building stuff 456 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,679 Speaker 1: they do, and it's it's also something that has won 457 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 1: over like at least in the day, like a lot 458 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 1: of also like liberals and centrist when it's like, well 459 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: but if they're fixing the place up, then it's good 460 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: and you can show like, oh look how nice it is. 461 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,199 Speaker 1: Look how looks to the point that you get now 462 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: you get like gentrifying private spaces that use like sort 463 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 1: of like the alternative squatter aesthetic as a as a 464 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 1: as a marker of style. So they will make a 465 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: very professional ballet based furniture, for instance. And this is 466 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 1: like like if you have like a new hip like 467 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 1: yuppy place intending to gent are fine area, chances are 468 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: you're going to see like pellet based furniture here or 469 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 1: there because they because they from that style and from 470 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: this supposed alternative. Oh it's your own choice. You're here 471 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: as an individual because you're not in the mainstream. You 472 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 1: know that that kind of hipster what you're doing. I 473 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: wish that surprised me in any way. But okay, so 474 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: back to one more thing. Okay, one more thing. Okay, 475 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: do you remember from the previous episode when I say, 476 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:35,160 Speaker 1: like sometimes judges would be quite well willing towards squatters occasionally, 477 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 1: not in general, but sometimes so um. I heard stories 478 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 1: of one judge where like squatters were quite happy if 479 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 1: they got this one judge because he was he was 480 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: a very common sense kind of areas like, okay, what 481 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 1: were they really doing something with the building? No, well, no, 482 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: people should live there. Fine. Yeah. And this person was 483 00:26:55,280 --> 00:27:00,199 Speaker 1: also known for occasionally being like, you know what, let's uh, 484 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: let's have a recess. We'll meet there at the squad 485 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 1: in uh, fifteen minutes. It's a little bit of walk, 486 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 1: a cup of coffee, let's go see the place. And 487 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: the judge would just walk into the house. You're like, okay, 488 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: let me in. Let's see. How's it look. Oh, you 489 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: kept it nice and clean. Oh it's that that part 490 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: doesn't look so great. What's going on there? And and 491 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: then if the if the place looked nice, then he 492 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: would be more willing to say like that's funny. Yeah. Yeah. 493 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 1: So one of the things that squatters were doing past 494 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,679 Speaker 1: the rule of law and kind of almost how they started, 495 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 1: I think, actually really built their power is they would 496 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: also re squad buildings and re squading buildings was kind 497 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,360 Speaker 1: of the most extreme statement, because you're you're driving out 498 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: the owner's thugs or you're driving out cops. You're taking 499 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 1: the building by force. And usually at this point I 500 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,199 Speaker 1: have no more legal protection. You've lost your court cases, 501 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 1: but you don't care. It's your house you want back 502 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: in Um. And so some of these re squads became 503 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: the most potent symbols during a lot of a lot 504 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 1: of the larger riots and stuff during or so focus 505 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 1: around these and during the summer. A few months after 506 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 1: Coronation Day, on July third, folks re squatted a building 507 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: called the vogel Strouss Vogels choice Um. It was held 508 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: by thugs who who threw rocks. They also threw a 509 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 1: sewer pipe, They threw a chair, They threw everything that 510 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: they could find to keep the squatters back. Because the 511 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: squatters had stockpiled all that stuff ahead of time. So 512 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: the squatters built a siege in a siege shield. They 513 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,879 Speaker 1: took a wooden door. They attached legs to it, like 514 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:34,919 Speaker 1: tall legs, I think so, kind of like a very 515 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: tall table so they could set it down. I think 516 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: that's the best I can understand. And then they put 517 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: a box spring mattress on top so that as rocks came, 518 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: they would like bounce off, and they walked it towards 519 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: the door to protect them from the rocks. And they 520 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 1: while in the meantime other squatters ripped up cobble stones 521 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: broke them with a hammer into manageable chunks to throw 522 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 1: at the thugs inside the building. They get to a 523 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 1: window and they rammed open with beams and traffic signs 524 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: and they get into the ground floor. But since they 525 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: were attacking a building that they had built the defenses for, 526 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: it was very well defended. The trap door up to 527 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: the second floor um was had a lot of like 528 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 1: refrigerators and handy heavy things like next to it to 529 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: be put onto the trap door. So they use a 530 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: circular saw they cut through their own trap door. They 531 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: make it up to the next floor and then the floor. 532 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: After that, some Italian squatters showed up with the translation 533 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: calls them iron catapults, and they launched lead weights up 534 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: the next stairwell to drive back the thugs. I don't know, 535 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: I have no idea iron catapults. Yeah no, I I 536 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know whether this is like a 537 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: three person sling shot or whether it was actual catapults. 538 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 1: I have no fucking clue. Um, they drive back the 539 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 1: thugs by throwing lead weights at them. Uh, and then 540 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: they um they the thugs flee out the roof and 541 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 1: get away. And so once they've re squatted the building, 542 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 1: they turn around and start barricading immediately the shield door 543 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 1: was nailed over a window, and riot cops show up 544 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: like right away, and a crowd shows up outside. Hundred 545 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: and twenty RYOT cops break into a two long charge, 546 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: and the thirty and forty folks inside they don't run away, 547 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 1: because you don't abandon your fronts. Outside the crowd fights back, 548 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: and there's like a scene like one squatter with an 549 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: iron bar like I think like a ten foot bar 550 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: is just like holding to twelve cops at Bay by 551 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: like swinging this bar around. Both sides are throwing rocks 552 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: at each other. At this point, the cops are are 553 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: throwing rocks back. Uh. The cops fire CN gas even 554 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: though it had been just illegalized m or just banned 555 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: in favor of the slightly less toxic cs gas, and 556 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 1: squatters start throwing up in the canal. This whole melee Maelstrom. 557 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 1: Eventually the cops make it into the building. Um Or. 558 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 1: They make it to the building and the squatters inside 559 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: are listening to Free Kaiser the radio station, the pirate 560 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 1: radio station, and it's playing street fighting. It's all very 561 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 1: cinematic the way it's all described. It's playing street fighting 562 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 1: Man by the Rolling Stones and Anarchy in the UK 563 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: by the sex Pistols. And the account that I read 564 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 1: was like, instead of the songs inspiring morale, the squatters 565 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 1: were like, could they just fucking play something different? Why 566 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: do they keep playing these fucking songs? Um And then 567 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 1: they're throwing everything left right, the half of it just 568 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: got thrown at them. They turn around and they throw 569 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: bed springs, heaters, chairs, tables, everything at the cops. They 570 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 1: run out of stuff to throw um. Tear gas is 571 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: pouring into the house, so eventually they flee out over 572 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 1: the roof, except two people who stay behind to get arrested. 573 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: Some get out the ground floor and they like jump 574 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 1: into the canal to get away. Others make it out 575 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 1: over the roof and jump across like a one meter 576 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: or so gap to the next building and then like 577 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: break into the next building. Um Or, they find an 578 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: open window and they crawl through and they leave a 579 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 1: sorry note, like an apology note, and some money on 580 00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: the table of the person whose apartment that they just 581 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: broke too. Some of the people who live there are 582 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 1: really upset about this, and some of the people who 583 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: live there are super sympathetic. Like at least one woman's 584 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 1: squatter gets basically like hidden in an apartment I think 585 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: under a bed um in order to keep the cops away. 586 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: But another person is like, they're in here, you know 587 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: which whatever you broke into their house, I don't know whatever. 588 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 1: UM cops come in arrest some of them drag them 589 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 1: out by their hair. It's like super brutal arrest. Some 590 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 1: of them are beaten, bloody, unconscious, and the riot like 591 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 1: kind of moves into the streets and starts moving around 592 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 1: the city and it largely keeps the police at bay 593 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 1: and the squatters. They lose the house, right, but they 594 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: declared the day of victory and they had won because 595 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 1: this is the first like, this is the most intense 596 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 1: confrontation they've had so far, I think, besides the not 597 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: squat related Queen's Day riots. UM, and they wont because 598 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: they've proven that they were willing to stake their lives 599 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: defending having places to sleep. Um, and they basically were like, 600 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 1: nothing's going to be the same after this, and there's 601 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 1: this big sea change movement. UM. A ton of squatters 602 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 1: were like, fuck this, this is too serious now and 603 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: started backing out of the movement. I think around this 604 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 1: time some entire neighborhood groups were like, you know, we 605 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 1: kind of got our houses, We're gonna kind of back 606 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: off now. Um. But the public perception changed to squatters 607 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: will fight tooth and fucking nail for roof of their 608 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: heads and you can't funk with them. And the real 609 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 1: estate prospectors who had hired the thugs at that particular 610 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: squad fled the country and moved to Germany for a 611 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 1: while because they were afraid for their lives. They do. 612 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 1: They did come back and then got their like car 613 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 1: pushed into the canal and ship, but um, for a 614 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: while they flee the country. Sixteen people arrested for defending 615 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 1: this house, six of whom are charged in jail. They 616 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 1: refused to give their names. They make nuisances of themselves. 617 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 1: Squatters gather outside the jail loud as hell in what's 618 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: called a noise demo. UM, where you know one that 619 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 1: I've been on people bring like a hand crank air 620 00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 1: raid siren and just like make a ton of noise. 621 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 1: The pirate radio station starts sending messages into the jail. 622 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: Care packages show up every hour for the rstes. All 623 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,719 Speaker 1: the old hippie radical lawyers step up and are like, 624 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,319 Speaker 1: all right, we'll defend you. Um So this this whole 625 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 1: big fucking thing, And this is the second time that 626 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 1: this gag has happened in real life on this show. 627 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,760 Speaker 1: One of the squatters, he's in jail, and the jailer 628 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,279 Speaker 1: is like, someone made you a cake. I'm going to 629 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 1: give you the cake, but you can't have the pan. 630 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 1: I'm not allowed to have the pan, so I'm gonna 631 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: pull that. He pulls the cake out of the pan. 632 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,359 Speaker 1: Somehow it comes up out in one piece. He hands 633 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 1: it to the squatter leaves, and the squatter starts breaking 634 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:35,800 Speaker 1: off pieces of the cake to eat. And there's a 635 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:43,320 Speaker 1: fucking file baked into the cake. Really yeah yeah, And 636 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: and the squatter doesn't use it right, He like hides 637 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,399 Speaker 1: it in his sweater, and then later he gets moved 638 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,240 Speaker 1: to a different jail and they like find the file 639 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 1: in his sweater and confiscate it. I know, It's like, 640 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 1: this could have gone really epic jail break, like the 641 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 1: last time this exact same fucking any tune ship happened 642 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,719 Speaker 1: in real life of this show. And they spent six 643 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 1: weeks in jail, and this is the longest the squatters 644 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 1: had spent in jail up to that point. And I 645 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 1: don't know whenever, I've never spent that long in jail. 646 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:15,839 Speaker 1: But it's okay. So they go to trial and they 647 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 1: decide they're going to make a mockery of the whole thing. 648 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,759 Speaker 1: And they're like, if the judge is an asshole, we 649 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 1: should all have like good jokes lined up to make 650 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,400 Speaker 1: fun of the judge. To quote one of the arrestees, 651 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: they considered puking, shifting, standing on your head, fainting, or 652 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 1: pointing out a ZiT on the judge's face. That's like 653 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 1: they're like, what should we do? You know? And one 654 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 1: of them said that to me is the essence of 655 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,799 Speaker 1: a political trial, not so much the testimony you give, 656 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 1: but that you see it as a fight who's determining 657 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 1: the order here? Which I think it's at the the 658 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: basic idea behind the Dutch Squatter success. You just deciding 659 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,440 Speaker 1: that you are in charge whether or not the other 660 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,399 Speaker 1: people think that that's true. Um, you determine the means 661 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 1: of engagement. You you act as though your cause is 662 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,759 Speaker 1: legitimate and you are a legit at force. You're not 663 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 1: asking for housing, you're fucking taking it and defending it. 664 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 1: So later they're at least released on their own recognance 665 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 1: and they just don't show up to their next trial date. Instead, 666 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 1: they set up a squatters court. They've made they pronounced 667 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 1: judgment on the speculators, the city, the police, the law, 668 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 1: and have a big demonstration afterwards, and squatters have meetings 669 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 1: all over the city to plan the next step, and 670 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: they decide that their best move is to make it 671 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,279 Speaker 1: really fucking financially expensive for the city to evict their 672 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,719 Speaker 1: squads Um, which they do in two ways. One, they 673 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 1: make their houses really well defended, so it takes a 674 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 1: ton of cops and equipment to evict them. I know 675 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,799 Speaker 1: that this eventually culminates like twenty years later, at least 676 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:41,400 Speaker 1: in Um. You have eviction waves right where you know, 677 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,920 Speaker 1: the cops in Amsterdam are not enough to evict the 678 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,880 Speaker 1: squads in Amsterdam, or the same in other cities, I believe, 679 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 1: And so it's like once every couple of months, all 680 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,760 Speaker 1: the cops from the country like get together to evict 681 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,440 Speaker 1: all the squads as many as they can in one day. Um, 682 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,839 Speaker 1: in which case your job then becomes make it take 683 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,799 Speaker 1: a really long time so fewer squads end up evicted. Uh. 684 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,239 Speaker 1: That's the first way defend the hell out of the 685 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 1: squads and to the riots. Need to do as much 686 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,759 Speaker 1: damage as possible to banks and real estate agents and 687 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,360 Speaker 1: other such targets. Um. And that's the riots need to 688 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 1: spread throughout the city. Basically, if you have victed house, 689 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,359 Speaker 1: there isn't just gonna be a riot at that house. 690 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,239 Speaker 1: There will be targeted rioting everywhere. You can't drag us 691 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 1: out of our homes. And the new strategy was soon 692 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,239 Speaker 1: put to a test. The first time, it succeeded really well. 693 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 1: In the second time, it kind of failed. Um. The 694 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 1: first time, it took two thousand fucking cops with armored cars, bulldozers, 695 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,800 Speaker 1: construction equipment, three hydraulic cranes too, water cannons and snipers 696 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,840 Speaker 1: with rifles on rooftops and military police. Um. The squatters 697 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,000 Speaker 1: fought them off until the last minute, then snuck out 698 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,879 Speaker 1: through a hole in the wall into the church next door. 699 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:55,759 Speaker 1: Which just fucking rules. Um. The second time, I think 700 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,800 Speaker 1: this is what happened is very whatever. A single squatter 701 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,239 Speaker 1: inside and reads out a statement on a megaphone to 702 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 1: the police, we will keep our struggle in our own 703 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,600 Speaker 1: hands and determine ourselves how and when it will take place. Basically, 704 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:10,799 Speaker 1: they're like, you thought we were really going to defend 705 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 1: this one, but we're not. Fuck you. He wasted all 706 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 1: this fucking effort. Um. But the police then went wild 707 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 1: on the crowd outside, which was actually mostly like bystanders 708 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,680 Speaker 1: and tourists, um, and the cops were kind of brutaled people. 709 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,399 Speaker 1: So it was like not seen as a success. Whoa 710 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:31,520 Speaker 1: they actually there's like so they found the house empty 711 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,239 Speaker 1: because they were like, we're we're not going to fight 712 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,480 Speaker 1: for this one because we choose the thing. And then 713 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,000 Speaker 1: the police were so angry they just lash out at 714 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 1: I think. So it seems like they maybe kind of 715 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,239 Speaker 1: mistook the crowd outside for being more squatters or whatever. 716 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,120 Speaker 1: But yeah, it seems like they were like, maybe there 717 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,360 Speaker 1: were some squatters outside, but they just like when you know, 718 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,759 Speaker 1: as a police riot basically. Um. And so the six 719 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,560 Speaker 1: arrestees from before their their court date that they actually 720 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,600 Speaker 1: go to Is on September eight, and the night before 721 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,919 Speaker 1: the Volgo, strauss Is squatted again for the third time, 722 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,040 Speaker 1: because it's at this point as symbol, and also it's 723 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:10,560 Speaker 1: a cool way to be like, well, you all, are 724 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 1: you arrested us for doing this in the trials tomorrow? 725 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,239 Speaker 1: We're going to squat it again. Um. And this time 726 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,760 Speaker 1: they did it quietly at night. They brought thirty squatters 727 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,360 Speaker 1: with ladders and there were three of the owner's thugs 728 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 1: inside who they just escorted outside and kicked out. Um. 729 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,040 Speaker 1: I don't know how long that re squad lasted. M hm. 730 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,840 Speaker 1: So the name is it? Yeah, please Strauss is that 731 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:41,800 Speaker 1: it's not strat, No, it's it's stru y s Okay, 732 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:46,320 Speaker 1: how do you actually say it vocal strauss? So I 733 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:50,640 Speaker 1: was close, okay, close. Yeah. So it's the sound that's 734 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,280 Speaker 1: the same for the word onion, but it's the fancy 735 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,160 Speaker 1: spelling of it. So normally an Ostrich in Dutchess and 736 00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:01,080 Speaker 1: Strauss voel okay. Now, so they it did and they 737 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,000 Speaker 1: wrote it with a y, which is kind of the 738 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 1: kind of the fancy or faux fancy way to do it. 739 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:10,640 Speaker 1: So I wonder what that's about. There's a small chance 740 00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:14,480 Speaker 1: it's a transcription error on my part, but I don't know. No, 741 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:19,879 Speaker 1: they do that, Okay, Okay, yeah, I'm not sure. Um okay. 742 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,480 Speaker 1: So the trial it starts, it lasts like two years, 743 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,360 Speaker 1: and throughout it, the defendants they just keep fucking with it, 744 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,640 Speaker 1: like basically everyone who's on trial in this podcast, which 745 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,120 Speaker 1: I don't even specifically recommend anyone who's listening, I'm like, 746 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 1: sometimes you just gotta like put your head down and 747 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,279 Speaker 1: take your time, you know. Um, But it's also really 748 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:38,719 Speaker 1: cool if you do this kind of ship. One of 749 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:43,640 Speaker 1: the defendants named b. A. S. Boss. Um. Yeah, he 750 00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,960 Speaker 1: just sat there knitting, very colorful knitting. Um. At one 751 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:49,640 Speaker 1: point someone was like, oh, he's the only one who 752 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,480 Speaker 1: actually got anything done during it was a waste of 753 00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,960 Speaker 1: time for everyone but Boss. At one point, Boss also 754 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,600 Speaker 1: stole the judge's gabble. Um. They turned the whole thing 755 00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,560 Speaker 1: into a circus every chance they get their tearing up 756 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,120 Speaker 1: law books and throwing them at people. One of their 757 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:07,759 Speaker 1: supporters like vomits on purpose in the audience. Um. And 758 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,320 Speaker 1: in the end, some of them got off and some 759 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,160 Speaker 1: of them got like two to four months in prison. Um. 760 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:20,799 Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, it's not very long, um for how 761 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:25,440 Speaker 1: much effort was put into all of this. Uh. And meanwhile, 762 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,480 Speaker 1: squats are happening in evictions are happening. Riots are happening, 763 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:33,560 Speaker 1: and when they demonstrate, apparently a lot of them. The 764 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,919 Speaker 1: demonstrations are silent, but for one chant right to live. 765 00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,920 Speaker 1: And they go to real estate prospectors homes. They smash 766 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:45,120 Speaker 1: out windows, they throw in smoke bombs, h Fancy cars 767 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,960 Speaker 1: with the real estate prospectors are pushed into canals. They 768 00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:53,400 Speaker 1: loot fancy storefronts and build barricades of stolen mannekins. At 769 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,480 Speaker 1: one point they lured motorcycle cops into a trap. They 770 00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,640 Speaker 1: were like being chased by motorcycle cops. So they like 771 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:00,600 Speaker 1: I think, like ran around the corner where they had 772 00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:04,080 Speaker 1: set up a bunch of um dumpsters barricades, and all 773 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:09,719 Speaker 1: the motorcycle cops crash into the dumpsters. Um, which is 774 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,000 Speaker 1: pretty cool. And then other dumpsters are dragged into the 775 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,800 Speaker 1: street and set on fire. Um. But you know what 776 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:27,719 Speaker 1: else is on fire are these savings from the love it. Um. 777 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:33,719 Speaker 1: We'll be right back after this word from potatoes and 778 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:42,360 Speaker 1: wait and deep fried things. And we are back, and 779 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,680 Speaker 1: we are talking about rioting in a way as a 780 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,239 Speaker 1: way to defend tens of thousands of people getting to 781 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,560 Speaker 1: sleep inside instead of outside. That's like the thing that 782 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,759 Speaker 1: I think like often like gets lost is like I 783 00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:57,880 Speaker 1: think when I was young, it would just be like 784 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,560 Speaker 1: riots are cool, right, but you could really easily have 785 00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,400 Speaker 1: the other side where you're like, oh, this just sounds 786 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:08,200 Speaker 1: like meaningless destruction, right. But it's the context that is 787 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,239 Speaker 1: so interesting to me, because you know, there's like riots 788 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,120 Speaker 1: that are really bad all the time to write like, 789 00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,640 Speaker 1: but the context of like we are exerting political force 790 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,400 Speaker 1: in as directly as possible so that we all get 791 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:23,919 Speaker 1: to keep sleeping inside, you know, is the I feel 792 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,680 Speaker 1: like it's like too easy to get like just caught 793 00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:30,160 Speaker 1: up in the like Looney Tunes trick the cops into 794 00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:35,520 Speaker 1: driving into barricades thing. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, And it's 795 00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:37,520 Speaker 1: like if you if you take if you take it further, 796 00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,600 Speaker 1: even if you're not keeping tens of thousands of people 797 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:44,960 Speaker 1: off the street, like um, part of the the thing 798 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:50,120 Speaker 1: you get with squatting is freedom of your time, because yeah, 799 00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,560 Speaker 1: instead of paying rent, you do not, so you get 800 00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,759 Speaker 1: you get those hours of the day back, which means 801 00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:01,480 Speaker 1: it can help you organized, get other stuff done or 802 00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,440 Speaker 1: do work in the community and set up just like 803 00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:10,200 Speaker 1: projects of like mutual aid and services that others don't 804 00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,600 Speaker 1: provide them to live more the way you want to 805 00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,719 Speaker 1: and to give an example of how the world could be. 806 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,640 Speaker 1: And this is also at stake like um, part of 807 00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:23,840 Speaker 1: the importance of of evicting these things, besides protecting the 808 00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:28,120 Speaker 1: money value for the for the investors, is also to 809 00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:32,360 Speaker 1: prevent exactly the kind of organizing that they tried to do. 810 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,720 Speaker 1: Like I don't know if you intend to talk about 811 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:39,360 Speaker 1: the via fizza plant, no, tell me about that. But 812 00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:43,160 Speaker 1: the for this was initiated from the from the squadding 813 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,480 Speaker 1: movement as a way to say, like, um, we want 814 00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,319 Speaker 1: to provide things like outside of capitalism and for them 815 00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,200 Speaker 1: to be free. So what they did, um, is they 816 00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,759 Speaker 1: they fixed like a lot of bikes, like they bought 817 00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,160 Speaker 1: them or built them or painted them. And they were white, white, 818 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,239 Speaker 1: the fat blonde white. Yeah. And so the idea was 819 00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,160 Speaker 1: you get these, you get these bikes everywhere and they're 820 00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,520 Speaker 1: marked so you know, this is a bike you can 821 00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,400 Speaker 1: just use and people just cycle these bikes around and 822 00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:16,880 Speaker 1: get them. Um. And that worked pretty well. Um. And 823 00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:18,759 Speaker 1: this is the kind of thing you can do when 824 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,400 Speaker 1: you have these this resource and the time for yourself 825 00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:27,920 Speaker 1: that you don't need to spend um working for a landlord. Yeah, no, 826 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,320 Speaker 1: that is that is a really good point. Um. And 827 00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,640 Speaker 1: also I like the directness of saying working for a 828 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:35,719 Speaker 1: landlord because that is what you do when you pay rent, 829 00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,080 Speaker 1: You go out and you make money to give to 830 00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:42,839 Speaker 1: your landlord. Yeah. Um yeah, more than a house, more 831 00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,480 Speaker 1: than just a roof over your head. Like if you're 832 00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,160 Speaker 1: not if you're not homeless, then squatting is you get back, 833 00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:53,239 Speaker 1: like I don't know, fifteen to twenty hours of your 834 00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,760 Speaker 1: best hours in the week that you don't pay your landlord. 835 00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:02,439 Speaker 1: Yeah and so okay, so and I was it goes 836 00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,560 Speaker 1: very well with what was next in the script. In 837 00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,560 Speaker 1: addition to squatting for housing, people are squatting for social 838 00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,279 Speaker 1: space as well, and you have squat bars up all 839 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:14,040 Speaker 1: over the city and and also other social centers that 840 00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,160 Speaker 1: are not just revolving around drinking, but some of the 841 00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:21,440 Speaker 1: squat bars would provide bounties. Basically, it's like if you 842 00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,759 Speaker 1: take out the surveillance camera, you can drink for free 843 00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:28,160 Speaker 1: at the squad bar for the night. Um. Years later, 844 00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,720 Speaker 1: I went out on a bounty hunt for I Amsterdam banners, 845 00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,960 Speaker 1: which is like this gentrification campaign for the city. Um. 846 00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:35,920 Speaker 1: And it was a really bad idea because it was 847 00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,319 Speaker 1: just me and my drunk friend climbing flag poles over 848 00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,000 Speaker 1: canals in the middle of the night. But it got 849 00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,719 Speaker 1: us free beer, Okay, So anyway, I don't know. Yeah, 850 00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,239 Speaker 1: still this kind of thing happens still at times. Is 851 00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:51,279 Speaker 1: this is like smaller scale, but it's not it's not gone. Yeah, no, 852 00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:55,200 Speaker 1: it's looking awesome, um. And what you're talking about, like, 853 00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,120 Speaker 1: you know, and like the first time I was in 854 00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,600 Speaker 1: a really good giveaway shop. Right in the US, we 855 00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,719 Speaker 1: usually them free stores, and I remember them being the 856 00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,120 Speaker 1: giveaway shops and things like where you just you can 857 00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:05,640 Speaker 1: walk in and they're like when we're not paying rent 858 00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:07,040 Speaker 1: and all this ship is stuff we pull out of 859 00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,400 Speaker 1: the trash, so like it's just free and people can 860 00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,960 Speaker 1: just come in and take what they need, you know. Um, 861 00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:19,480 Speaker 1: and it's really fucking nice. Um. So eventually in nineteen eighty, 862 00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,480 Speaker 1: in October nineteen eighty, a year after the Great Kaiser 863 00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:24,600 Speaker 1: was supposed to be evicted, but they held onto it 864 00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:28,120 Speaker 1: for an extra year, the city bought Great Kaiser, and 865 00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,640 Speaker 1: after negotiations with the squatters, multiple housing cooperatives decided to 866 00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,600 Speaker 1: move into the building. And this was contentious someone It 867 00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,239 Speaker 1: was seen by some in the squatter movement as like 868 00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,200 Speaker 1: basically the squader movement going bourgeois. Others took it as 869 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,800 Speaker 1: a victory. I think this is one of the earlier 870 00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,880 Speaker 1: examples of legalized squads, but I'm not actually entirely certain. 871 00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,320 Speaker 1: I had a hard time finding the timeline of legalized squads. 872 00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:53,080 Speaker 1: Um And at one point before this all happened, before 873 00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,719 Speaker 1: it all happened, some faction of squatters broke back in 874 00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,359 Speaker 1: before and got drunk in trash the place and covered 875 00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:02,000 Speaker 1: in slogans basically being like fun bougeoisseholes or whatever. Uh. 876 00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,000 Speaker 1: And then others went in to clean it up. And 877 00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:05,320 Speaker 1: so I think that that gets as some of the 878 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,360 Speaker 1: tensions that are starting to happen in the movement at 879 00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,680 Speaker 1: this point. Um And there starts also being more tension 880 00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:14,080 Speaker 1: between neighborhoods and the citywide council as well. Theoretically, the 881 00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,680 Speaker 1: citywide council can only act as a coordinating body, and 882 00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,520 Speaker 1: no one, no neighborhood or click was in charge any 883 00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,960 Speaker 1: neighborhood could call for a citywide meeting, but in practice 884 00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,160 Speaker 1: some portion of the squadter movement was ending up kind 885 00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,640 Speaker 1: of directing other portions of the squadter movement. An entire 886 00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:33,000 Speaker 1: neighborhoods end up feeling disenfranchised, especially the less radical ones, 887 00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,279 Speaker 1: I believe, And a lot of the kind of conversation 888 00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,839 Speaker 1: around then is like, when is it a scene, when 889 00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,120 Speaker 1: is it a movement? And so so. Most of the 890 00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,000 Speaker 1: largest riots were in those first few years, but the 891 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:47,160 Speaker 1: squadding movement continued afterwards. And one of the biggest things, 892 00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,560 Speaker 1: one of the sort of sea change moments that happened 893 00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:53,680 Speaker 1: in this twenty three year old Dutch squatter named howns 894 00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:57,240 Speaker 1: Cock died in a police cell after being severely beaten 895 00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,200 Speaker 1: during his arrest in a re squad action, and the 896 00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,920 Speaker 1: movement gathered to discuss. Basically they're like, well, fuck it 897 00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,000 Speaker 1: if they're just going to beat us to death anyway, 898 00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:10,520 Speaker 1: And in that kind of crisis moment, fear lifted and 899 00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,839 Speaker 1: the molotops came out and cop cars started burning. There 900 00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:17,640 Speaker 1: were forty different lightning strike actions taken in revenge for 901 00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,480 Speaker 1: his death or arson's at cops stations. A tour boat, 902 00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:24,480 Speaker 1: City Hall, the city records office. Other cities set up 903 00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,960 Speaker 1: burning barricades and broke out government windows. And the arsons 904 00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,239 Speaker 1: were probably committed only by a limited group of people, 905 00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:32,719 Speaker 1: but thousands of people showed up the next day at 906 00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,759 Speaker 1: a demonstration, and previous divisions that have been splintering the 907 00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:39,800 Speaker 1: scene started to fall apart that the cops declared the 908 00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,680 Speaker 1: death and overdose, though, and the squatters had a new demand. 909 00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:44,800 Speaker 1: They were like, all right, we want an independent autopsy, 910 00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:46,960 Speaker 1: and the media agreed. They were like, we want to 911 00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:50,880 Speaker 1: see the real reports. And basically, through that combination of pressure, 912 00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:55,440 Speaker 1: the autopsy happened, and the truth in the end was complicated. 913 00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,719 Speaker 1: To quote that book Cracking the Movement, hans Cock died 914 00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,759 Speaker 1: because the police let him die, but he died also 915 00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,600 Speaker 1: because he, in any case, to a certain extent, wanted to. 916 00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,120 Speaker 1: During his arrest, he swallowed a bottle of methadone tablets, 917 00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,440 Speaker 1: and he knew what kind of consequences that might have. 918 00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,040 Speaker 1: Hans Cock had said to his parents he wouldn't live 919 00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,520 Speaker 1: to see thirty. So a year later, at his memorial, 920 00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:20,080 Speaker 1: the squatters marched the police station and smashed out the windows, 921 00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,839 Speaker 1: and then they laid wreaths and flowers against the wall, 922 00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,440 Speaker 1: and most of the crowd moved on, but some of 923 00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,800 Speaker 1: the squatters and Hans Cock's father linked arms and surrounded 924 00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:33,440 Speaker 1: the wreaths and they decided for that part of the 925 00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,920 Speaker 1: action they were going to not use violence. Right, this 926 00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,320 Speaker 1: is now a symbolic in a different way. And so 927 00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,879 Speaker 1: the media shows up just as the cops crash into 928 00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,120 Speaker 1: the the crash into people with batons and beat Hans's 929 00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,520 Speaker 1: father and trample the flowers and you know, destroy this memorial. 930 00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,080 Speaker 1: And everything I've read about the squad movement in the 931 00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:54,759 Speaker 1: Netherlands talked about how peaked in nineteen eighty and declined. Right, Um, 932 00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,440 Speaker 1: as if the movement only happened from one and that 933 00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:05,680 Speaker 1: as you are a testament to I believe, um isn't true. Um, no, no, yeah, 934 00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,120 Speaker 1: And it seems likely that there were fewer squad actions 935 00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,240 Speaker 1: after that, Like I mean, probably the majority of squad 936 00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:14,960 Speaker 1: actions happened after that, right, But the biggest riots were 937 00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:18,000 Speaker 1: in for sure. Right. But squatting is about living, is 938 00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,560 Speaker 1: about being housed, It's about taking back our time. And 939 00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:24,279 Speaker 1: squads continued and people have lived decades and squads and 940 00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:28,920 Speaker 1: the squad movement has refined its methods. Um squatters used 941 00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:32,080 Speaker 1: their access to space to be active participants in worldwide 942 00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,799 Speaker 1: political struggle. The Meager squad bars which served up cheap 943 00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,360 Speaker 1: beer which half the time was stolen from supermarkets anyway, 944 00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,600 Speaker 1: raised money to send to revolutionaries in Latin America. They 945 00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:46,680 Speaker 1: ran giveaway shops, They held political movie nights and discussions. 946 00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:51,239 Speaker 1: They housed refugees and migrants. They hit fugitives. They also 947 00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,839 Speaker 1: formed the cornerstone of the Dutch anti fascist movement, which 948 00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:56,799 Speaker 1: is its own beautiful story that I don't have time 949 00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:00,520 Speaker 1: to go into, but directly stopped fascist organ within the 950 00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:02,320 Speaker 1: city of Amsterdam at one point in the eight is 951 00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,880 Speaker 1: and sent a growing far right movement at least in 952 00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:09,279 Speaker 1: that part of the Netherlands into decline for a while. Um. Yeah, 953 00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,640 Speaker 1: And as far as I understand, is one of the 954 00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,120 Speaker 1: kind of cornerstones of what we now kind of understand 955 00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,160 Speaker 1: is the anti fascist movement or like anti fire or 956 00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:21,200 Speaker 1: whatever coming out of a lot of this ship that happened. 957 00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:27,000 Speaker 1: Not as like the soul. Yeah, I would absolutely absolutely agree. 958 00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,640 Speaker 1: In many ways it's the cornerstone and where much of 959 00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:35,920 Speaker 1: like movement infrastructure is now based. UM I was a 960 00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:40,880 Speaker 1: bit quiet because I recently got told or retold, like 961 00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,919 Speaker 1: the story of like the initial actions around the Hans Cook. 962 00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,880 Speaker 1: So when you when you told that that story, Um, um, 963 00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:53,799 Speaker 1: it's it's got it's quite heavy because of course Unco 964 00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:58,600 Speaker 1: was arrested like heavily heavily beaten in a in a 965 00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:06,239 Speaker 1: re squad situation and where gunshots were fired my police, etcetera. Yeah. Um. 966 00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,200 Speaker 1: And so to hear like this thing about the memorial 967 00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:14,239 Speaker 1: that kind of continues that that story. Um, but I 968 00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:18,319 Speaker 1: would have absolutely agree, like the people people pretend like, oh, 969 00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:23,440 Speaker 1: squatting is is over in the early eighties, where like, um, 970 00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,080 Speaker 1: there's there's there's been a decline and it's been like 971 00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:33,560 Speaker 1: progressive with not a linear progression either. Um. But it's not. 972 00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:36,800 Speaker 1: It's not gone and it's and it's much more like 973 00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:41,440 Speaker 1: it's been bigger for like quite for quite recent like 974 00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:48,000 Speaker 1: the squatting ban is now twelve twelve years old. Um. 975 00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,719 Speaker 1: And that that was a big blow, especially to like 976 00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:56,960 Speaker 1: the squatting movement in smaller towns. Um. Because in bigger cities, 977 00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,359 Speaker 1: when there's more of a squatting movement there, they can 978 00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:05,520 Speaker 1: take a blow also better. So the bigger, the bigger populations, 979 00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:10,440 Speaker 1: they can manage the blow better. But but squatting is 980 00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,000 Speaker 1: still is still relevant, and it's still being done also 981 00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:16,359 Speaker 1: in in new ways, and there are new groups also 982 00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:22,239 Speaker 1: innovating and working on this. And um So the fact 983 00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,880 Speaker 1: that I've heard so much about squatting, even though I 984 00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:30,160 Speaker 1: myself I'm not directly very involved with the squatting itself. 985 00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:34,080 Speaker 1: Um it's also a testament of it of its influence. 986 00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:39,359 Speaker 1: UM I have like been like around and doing things 987 00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,920 Speaker 1: with with squatting, but I wouldn't call myself a squatter. 988 00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:47,040 Speaker 1: But it's such a pervasive part of like the radicalism 989 00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:51,200 Speaker 1: and leftism in the Netherlands that you you it's it's 990 00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:56,000 Speaker 1: always there because it's it's where infrastructures, where experience is. UM. 991 00:54:56,560 --> 00:55:00,400 Speaker 1: If you're looking now at recent actions where things like 992 00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:04,520 Speaker 1: there's this confrontation with police, you instantly see the difference. 993 00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:07,880 Speaker 1: Like if there's a group of people with some experienced 994 00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:13,760 Speaker 1: squatters among them, especially older ones, then suddenly useful techniques 995 00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:17,960 Speaker 1: against the police are disseminated among the crowd. Very recently 996 00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:23,680 Speaker 1: last year, uh there was a housing wave of demos 997 00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:27,279 Speaker 1: around housing and the first one of that was in 998 00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:30,719 Speaker 1: Amsterdam and it was started by um well, it was 999 00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:34,680 Speaker 1: headed by a huge block of squatters in an anarchist 1000 00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:37,000 Speaker 1: it look like a few minutes to pass by or 1001 00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,839 Speaker 1: And then afterwards was the rest of the housing demonstration 1002 00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:46,600 Speaker 1: and towards the city center the dumb they're there came 1003 00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:50,319 Speaker 1: a confrontation because there was a squatting action attempted at 1004 00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,640 Speaker 1: the end of this demonstration, and police showed up with horses, 1005 00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,600 Speaker 1: and when they were trying to drive off these people, 1006 00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:58,680 Speaker 1: there are some parts where there were people who knew 1007 00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,640 Speaker 1: some of these techniques about how to deal with horses, 1008 00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:04,680 Speaker 1: and where they were the experienced squatters, like everybody, you 1009 00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,759 Speaker 1: have to jump up and down because horses they don't 1010 00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:11,520 Speaker 1: like that. It's scarcely. You have to anticipate when they're 1011 00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,400 Speaker 1: gonna come, and you jump up and down so that 1012 00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:15,560 Speaker 1: the horses won't come by. And if enough people do it, 1013 00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:19,200 Speaker 1: they take the horses away because the horses can't handle that. 1014 00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:21,279 Speaker 1: And that worked, and a lot of those people they 1015 00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,680 Speaker 1: were there for the first time. But because there was 1016 00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:28,520 Speaker 1: this living tradition of squatting and this living memory of 1017 00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:34,080 Speaker 1: earlier struggle that helps inform and introduce new people. Uh, 1018 00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:37,839 Speaker 1: it's it's a part of our of our strength, um. 1019 00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:42,000 Speaker 1: And it's it's still very very relevant. Yeah. And then 1020 00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,560 Speaker 1: and there's like all that inherited infrastructure, right, like you know, 1021 00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:48,040 Speaker 1: there's like all of these legalized squads, and and that's 1022 00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:51,719 Speaker 1: something that we didn't really talk about, um that one 1023 00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,239 Speaker 1: of the things that happened that you know, complicated within 1024 00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:56,200 Speaker 1: the squatting movement was that a lot of these squads 1025 00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,720 Speaker 1: legalized and then essentially entered, you know, are now owned 1026 00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:04,440 Speaker 1: by the squatters. Yeah. And then so in the city, 1027 00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:07,560 Speaker 1: you know, cave to capitalists, not the countries, sorry, not 1028 00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:10,480 Speaker 1: the city of the country, cave to capitalist pressure outlawed 1029 00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,960 Speaker 1: squatting um. And it became a crime worth a year 1030 00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:18,720 Speaker 1: in prison to occupy an unoccupied building. And as you 1031 00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,840 Speaker 1: pointed out, people continue to do it. Right. It seems 1032 00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:25,200 Speaker 1: to have massively negatively impacted the number of squads and things, 1033 00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,080 Speaker 1: but a lot of a lot of the core has 1034 00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:30,240 Speaker 1: still survived and some of the modern squatting stuff that 1035 00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,160 Speaker 1: I've run across, And I'm curious if you know more 1036 00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:34,720 Speaker 1: and have more information with these two. One is a 1037 00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,360 Speaker 1: group that's called We Are Here, and it's a collective 1038 00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,960 Speaker 1: of migrants and asylum speaker seekers, mostly from Africa, who 1039 00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:43,880 Speaker 1: refused to use the homeless shelters that are you know, 1040 00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:45,960 Speaker 1: you have to show up only at ninetya, have to 1041 00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:47,880 Speaker 1: get out first thing in the morning, or just all 1042 00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:51,800 Speaker 1: the usual absolute garbage of UM the shelter system and 1043 00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:56,160 Speaker 1: instead squat buildings in Amsterdam. And then there's another group 1044 00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:59,439 Speaker 1: in an arca feminist group with the name an arca 1045 00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:03,920 Speaker 1: feminist group that recently squatted a building. Oh okay, I 1046 00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,320 Speaker 1: got sorry, yeah a f g A. Also I was 1047 00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,480 Speaker 1: going if you if you weren't, wouldn't mention them, I 1048 00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:12,600 Speaker 1: would have a yeah. Yeah. And so they recently squatted 1049 00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:14,440 Speaker 1: a building in the red Light district and protests of 1050 00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,680 Speaker 1: the gentrification of the red light district. Is that a 1051 00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:23,800 Speaker 1: reasonable summary as they they they they squad a lot. Yeah, 1052 00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:28,920 Speaker 1: they do, like super energetic and also very like in 1053 00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,720 Speaker 1: their own in their own style, taking from tradition, bills, 1054 00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:35,720 Speaker 1: conventing new things, were just finding out for themselves new 1055 00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:40,160 Speaker 1: ways to do UM. And they yeah that's cool. Yeah, 1056 00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:43,120 Speaker 1: they're really interesting group. You als will follow them on Instagram? 1057 00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:46,600 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, no, I yeah, I like them, okay. And 1058 00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:48,560 Speaker 1: so then there's like other some of the other legacy 1059 00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:51,480 Speaker 1: stuff I found. Obviously, there's all that infrastructure we've talked about. 1060 00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:53,920 Speaker 1: There's an entire generation, as you talked about, people who 1061 00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:57,240 Speaker 1: know how to take an exercise power collectively, um, which 1062 00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:58,480 Speaker 1: is so cool because you can say that in a 1063 00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:00,400 Speaker 1: very abstract way. You're like, oh, there's a whole generation 1064 00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,160 Speaker 1: of people who know to take power collectively and like 1065 00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,480 Speaker 1: sometimes that means knowing to jump up and down on 1066 00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:08,480 Speaker 1: the cops, you know. Um. And there's thousands of buildings 1067 00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:11,560 Speaker 1: that have been saved from demolition. The physical character of Amsterdam, 1068 00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:13,320 Speaker 1: which is so loved by tourists and all that ship 1069 00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:17,240 Speaker 1: like kind of seems like it exists because of fucking squatters. 1070 00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:19,360 Speaker 1: There's this idea, it was there was one time they 1071 00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:22,480 Speaker 1: wanted to run like the highway, like straight through the 1072 00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:26,320 Speaker 1: city center where it's like in the there's a there's 1073 00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:30,240 Speaker 1: a tunnel that goes through the a which separates the 1074 00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:33,600 Speaker 1: city center from the north. In the north highway just 1075 00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:37,560 Speaker 1: goes straight through the middle into the water, into the tunnel, 1076 00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:39,240 Speaker 1: and one on the other side it comes up on 1077 00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:42,480 Speaker 1: a much smaller road where it has to split out 1078 00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:45,600 Speaker 1: into the city because there's no big highway cutting through 1079 00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:48,480 Speaker 1: the city center of Amsterdam, where there were plans to 1080 00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:53,600 Speaker 1: make that highway, but they were aborted by a militant 1081 00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:58,600 Speaker 1: group of like squatters and squatter affiliated or just friendly 1082 00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:03,960 Speaker 1: protesters stopping this. Um. Which is why that's that big highway, 1083 01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:08,720 Speaker 1: isn't there? Now? That that fucking rules? Um? And I 1084 01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:10,480 Speaker 1: feel like it's like something that people need to kind 1085 01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:13,120 Speaker 1: of remember. Like, Um, a lot of the things that 1086 01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:15,080 Speaker 1: I cover on the show, people don't win in the end, 1087 01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:17,240 Speaker 1: or like what they won was like the friends they 1088 01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,480 Speaker 1: met along the way, or like some good last words, 1089 01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:21,800 Speaker 1: they get hanged or whatever, you know. But it's like, 1090 01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:24,000 Speaker 1: sometimes we can, like even if we don't necessarily win 1091 01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:28,800 Speaker 1: our like full absolute goals, right, Um, we can sometimes 1092 01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:32,040 Speaker 1: win a fucking lot along the way. Um. And apparently 1093 01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:36,640 Speaker 1: the neighborhood and please correct my pronunciation, Jordan's Jordan's Um, 1094 01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:42,760 Speaker 1: Jordan like was going to have been leveled essentially and 1095 01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,920 Speaker 1: basically the squatters in the eighties like are the reason 1096 01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:50,200 Speaker 1: it exists. Um. And there's one final most important legacy 1097 01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:53,240 Speaker 1: of the squatter movement. It is because of the squatter 1098 01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,360 Speaker 1: movement of the Netherlands that I met my friend Shard, 1099 01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:59,160 Speaker 1: who got me back into playing Dungeons and Dragons awesome. 1100 01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:01,000 Speaker 1: So I don't know if short listens to this show, 1101 01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:02,920 Speaker 1: but if he does, thanks for getting me back into 1102 01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:05,920 Speaker 1: plane Dungeons and Dragons and also for going so hard 1103 01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:12,480 Speaker 1: against Nazis for all those years. That's my wonderful Alex. 1104 01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:15,960 Speaker 1: Do you have anything you'd like to plug at the end? UM? 1105 01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:19,520 Speaker 1: I would? I would, of course you can follow me 1106 01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:23,360 Speaker 1: and my my Dutch language podcast, my Dutch language uh 1107 01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:27,320 Speaker 1: not so very active solio social media almost from almost 1108 01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:31,160 Speaker 1: from burnt red, which is Dutch for like save, but 1109 01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:33,080 Speaker 1: it's a Spanish u r L, but in Dutch it 1110 01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:35,600 Speaker 1: means like almost drown saves because together we can make it. 1111 01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:39,439 Speaker 1: And but otherwise I would. 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