WEBVTT - Tre Boston and Kurt Coleman 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:02.640 This is cut to It with Steve Smith Senior at 0:00:02.640 --> 0:00:08.920 production of The Black Effect and I Heart Radio. I'm 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:11.720 Steve Smith Senior and I'm a little John and this 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:16.040 is cut to it. Good do it, cud do it, 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:19.479 Let's get down to do it. Good do it. We 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:22.920 asked the questions you always want to know, but no 0:00:22.960 --> 0:00:29.080 one ever asked, let's cut to it. You ain't heard 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:35.080 about it, then we're about to let you. Now it's all. 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:42.800 We got to two guys in here and actually in 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:48.959 the cut to It studio, uh Trey Boston former Caroline 0:00:48.960 --> 0:00:55.160 and Panther san Diego charger. Yeah, when they just moved, 0:00:55.200 --> 0:00:58.440 I was I was San Diego for three months. It 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:01.800 was live though. It's an all right, and then back 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:05.959 to Carolina. Yeah, I forgot Arizona. Yeah, I almost forgot it. 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:09.160 To listen, I'm I'm widow. Listen. I was just I 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:12.000 would let him go. No, no, no no, yeah, go ahead. 0:01:12.040 --> 0:01:14.440 I mean your story about you know, figuring out where 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:16.960 to choose and yeah, the station. I mean that's a 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:19.160 pretty cool story. That is that is that is we're 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:22.720 too head to all right, you want to do this? 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:29.640 Are you even introduced? You just? Did you not say 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:37.199 I was introduced that bound the ball. Welcome to Kurt's podcast. 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:43.800 We could do this. You got Steve Smith Senior and 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:49.240 then obviously co host Gerard Little John and backstage Joe. Hello, yeah, 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:54.760 uh show. What's going on, fellas? How are you doing? Blessed? Cursed? 0:01:56.160 --> 0:02:03.560 I'm doing well, doing well a professional man? Feel like 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:11.560 buzz energy energy? How you feeling before? Right? Is he 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:14.560 letting you do this to him? Already? We just said 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:18.880 held on like i'd Honestly, I'm happy to be in 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:22.720 the booth and I'm excited to hear what we're gonna 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:26.000 talk about. So I got a lot to say to Yeah, yeah, 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:29.520 that's cool. Okay, No, it's gonna make it on the pod. 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:35.160 That's great. He did say we're in the BOOTHTEPS, so 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:39.360 shout after that. Yeah, we're in the studio. Hey, So 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:42.240 what we're gonna do is, uh, start off on the beginning, 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:46.440 which is get iced up. It's just you know, random questions. Okay, Um, 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:51.519 there's no rhyme of reason. It's just random Okay, Okay, Yeah, 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:59.280 I'm okay, yeah, Ranch, Ranch, you can't already let's go. 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:06.840 So how many months have twenty eight days? What? Yeah, stupid. 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:12.280 It was quick fast. Hey, if we're all wrong, we 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:15.280 all right? Yeah, communication communication on the same page. We 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:19.080 would yep, yep, back right now. It's defensive. We got 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:21.399 everybody lined up and we played the same coverage. Yeah 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:24.160 we did. Y'all getting burnt the same but they all 0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:27.840 on the same micle. Yeah, yeah, we all played one 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:31.320 one thing. Yeah, sounds about good. Come on, coach, come on, 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:35.160 I bet you'll get us with the next one. Depending 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:37.520 on what time it is, it won't be the next one. 0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:43.520 Come on, ny on. I'm glory right now. So uh 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:54.040 if you I'm on the podcast, Yeah, read the question 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:59.440 club all right, um, yeah, if Kurt was a pair 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:03.280 of shoes, Yes, what brand would he be? Okay, if 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:10.000 Kurt was a pair of shoes, what brand would he be? Damn? Man, 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:13.360 I feel like he would be like a six like 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:16.560 like no, no, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen. 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:21.520 We need to listen. Listen. Slept on. But the people 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:25.360 who wear them in that crowd knows they're comfortable, they're reliable, 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:28.839 and they're hard working shoes. If you got them shoes, 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:31.840 you're gonna have them for a minute. You know what, 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:34.160 I'm saying, So I wouldn't give him like nothing too 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:38.279 fancy designer, because that's not who Kurt is. That's not him. 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:40.960 So the a sick give him like a good brand, 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:44.719 reliable brand, knowing that again it's gonna be in your closet. 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:46.840 You're gonna be running with these shoes probably like five 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:49.000 six years, Like dang, I finally need some new shoes 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:51.000 compared to running some Jordan's and being like I can't 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:54.159 run the Jordans Air assistant living Now what I'm saying, 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:56.040 you know what I mean, but listen it get up 0:04:56.040 --> 0:04:58.240 into the you know what I'm saying. Your grandma, Your 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:01.839 grandma ain't rocking the ones said all right, man, so 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:04.400 that's what I would at a six man. Ok, yeah here, 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:10.440 look you did he said some a sex Like I 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:13.360 got it. It's the it's the way you look though, 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:15.520 like like you you you said what you said, it's 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:18.440 not you get a good support. But you know, Steve, 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:23.000 we're that you like only on the icebreakers. Focus. Alright, 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:31.200 this is this is me and all the time, what 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:34.640 if there's only there's only one that I'm thinking about. 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:37.080 It's going to be the Jordan's and it's Now it's 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:40.039 about what Jordan's I look at him, he's a patent 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:44.200 leather Okay, I see him in the elevens. But Carolina 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:50.240 blue elevens. Yeah, that's it. That's it. Oh, loads are highs? 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:54.440 I mean I'm just oh mine, But which one? We were? Not? Lejohn? 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:59.040 Now we're gonna miss I mean, listen, it's don't do 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:03.480 me on the mid Ye, no eleven got mints? How 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:18.240 is that a fleet market? I'm trying to check some 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:23.279 bootleg wet side. Thank you man, My Michael Jordan local 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:32.520 doing a layoup finger rooms. Yeah, man, I appreciate that. Man. 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:35.200 That's Trey. Where are you from in the place you 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:38.880 call your hometown? Yeah, Fort Mins, Florida. Um, yeah, so 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:43.320 I'm from Creo nine. What about you? Kurt Date Ohio 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:50.279 grouping Clayton. What's the jip colder area? Cool? Nine three seven? 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:59.520 The gyms can't ripping loud, dude, you don't have to 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:01.640 worry about the ones that speak loud. Yeah, you know 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:05.040 what I'm saying. You're trying to call me that's my 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:09.360 that's my dog. I see. I started to see. Now 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:15.200 it's some clear some things coming very clearly now because 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:20.640 Kurt is very subdue quiet. And then now you're around trade, 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:24.560 he brand new a little bit. Whoa, this is my god, 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:26.960 you know what I'm saying that that's what I know 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:31.040 him to be. It's good. I like it. Trade. Everyone 0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:34.640 knows Trade gonna bring energy to the table, always, always, 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:38.200 So you either got to bring your energy up. Yeah. 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:45.800 Sometimes sometimes it's it's it's energy. You gotta exert so 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:48.040 much energy to keep up with the energy. Sometimes it's 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:51.920 like it's exhausting. Yeah, it can be. And then it 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:53.840 almost kind of comes. I know, we got some topics, 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:56.560 is more of a round table you know, discussion or whatever. 0:07:56.720 --> 0:07:59.120 One of the topics we actually have is being authentic. 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:01.600 Are you the same person on and off the field? 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:03.880 So like, al right, try you you're hiring guy when 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:06.120 your hiring guy out on the field as well as 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:08.760 off the field. So how does that How is that? 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:10.800 Because Steve just kind of preluded to it, like keeping 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:13.400 up that same energy, being the same person on and 0:08:13.480 --> 0:08:15.880 off the field, I think, like you said, authentic For me, 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:18.960 it's genuine. It's just who I am when I step 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:22.320 into a room. I know, um, my role in it, 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:25.800 you know, going to work every day, Um, it can 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:29.120 get just repetitive. Um. You have long days, you have 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:32.400 weeks that you are losing, UM, and it's easy to 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:35.040 have that energy kind of sucked out of the building. 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:39.280 And for me, if I can be the same guy, Uh, understand, 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:43.520 I'm blessed. Understand. We're in good situations. We're playing football, 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:46.480 something that we love. Bringing that same energy, it can 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:49.400 bring the guys around you up and it allows your 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:52.840 coaches everybody to have a deep breath knowing that, Um, yeah, 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:55.920 we have a task at hand, but it's not it's 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:58.440 not as serious as we're making the same things can 0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:01.280 be better. Um. But we gotta do that as men 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:04.240 and keep our energy up because obviously, you know, if 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:05.839 you get your energy south out of the build, there, 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:08.480 it's over, you know what I mean. Like you can 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:11.520 lose the whole season, Um in week seven, you know 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:13.280 what I mean? Just like in week nine you can 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:15.640 gain the whole all of it back. But yeah, that's 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:18.880 that's what I do. That That wasn't me, Um, What 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:22.319 do you mean? It wasn't you know? I was I 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:25.240 was two different people on the field. I'm a I'm 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:27.319 a monster on the field, and I'm looking to cut 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:31.000 your head off. Um, but off the field, like there 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:33.599 has for me, there had to be more of a 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:38.559 humanity side and epathetic side of things. I think what 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:42.760 was great. You know, when you look at on the field, 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:46.000 it's the process to get onto the field. So for myself, 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:48.559 I was in the meetings, I was very serious. I 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:51.679 would call the coaches out when they're wrong. Um. But 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:53.199 when we got into the locker room, you know, I 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:55.679 would you know, kind of let's lose a little bit. 0:09:56.160 --> 0:09:58.720 But then when we got back onto the practice field, 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:01.320 you know, from my off like I was very driven, 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:04.400 like very serious. Um. But what what is great though, 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:07.719 is you know when you do have a guy like Trey, um, 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:10.760 he he keeps that other side of me that that 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:12.920 needs to stay alive, you know, because sometimes I can 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:15.920 just get so focused and tie down, um to the 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:18.079 craft that I forget that there needs to be fun 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:21.040 along along with it. And so what what was great 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:24.199 was for Trade. Trade would always you know, bring that 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:26.600 fun energy side and sometimes we would have to ring 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:28.640 him back in and give him the serious like this 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:30.400 is this is go time, and this is what we 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:32.319 need to buckle down. And so I honestly like it 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:35.080 was great because you know, and I'm just thinking about 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:39.319 this two fifteen season in general, because we had guys 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:42.040 that were very loose, we had guys that were very serious, 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:43.480 and we had a little bit in between them. We 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:46.920 are crazy j No, Josh Norman and then you know, 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:48.520 and then we had some young cats. But then you 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:53.160 also had Peanut Tillman, who was he was the clown 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:55.400 of clowns. He was the clown of clowns. But like 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:57.640 you you respected, you know, what he had done his 0:10:57.720 --> 0:10:59.400 body of work up to that, so like it was 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:01.480 just a great exture everything. But for me, you know, 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:04.800 I would say off the field, I'm very relaxed, and 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:07.240 I try to be very relaxed. Um, But on the field, 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:10.240 like I'm up, I'm upright row trash talking. So I know, 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:12.319 y'all get together, you'll play golf. Is a lot of that. 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:15.000 Where does that end on the field and maybe not 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:18.480 even become personal off the field? It doesn't go he 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:20.920 I got some chuck, Kurt, Yeah, go ahead, you want 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:26.520 gonna watch it? Does It's actually it's kind of walking 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:29.960 a little bit between me and Trey, just a little 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:33.719 bit because like we we played golf when was it 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:36.200 and Trey is cool. It's It's one of those things 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:40.679 where like I enjoyed being around him, and then we 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:43.080 kind of butt heads, but he thinks we butt as 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:46.520 because he thinks that we're very much alike and we're 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:50.680 actually not. We're polar opposites. And then but Kurt knows 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:53.000 both of us, so it's like Kurch good friends and 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:56.560 we're both of us, and he he interacts and he understands, uh, 0:11:56.800 --> 0:12:00.360 you know, each of us. But it's like this little battle, 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:02.760 and it's like I don't like for me, what I 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:05.000 really struggle if I'm just being honest, what I really 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:09.079 struggle with with is it's like the fight, and I 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:11.319 just like, now that I'm older, I don't want to 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:15.120 fight anymore. So it's like for you, for both of us, 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:16.920 it's like, you know, because when we played golf one time, 0:12:17.000 --> 0:12:20.079 he was like, um man, you know, we played against 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:22.640 each other and like he'd be like, man, it be 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:26.079 on and he'd be like, oh man, every play, and 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:29.720 it's like to some degree, it's like it is every play. 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:32.679 And because me and Trade never played against each other, 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:36.280 but me and Kirk ha and Kirk knows like I 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:39.400 don't I'm not there's no I'm not one person on 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:41.199 the field and one person off the field. Now I 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:46.040 believe we're evolving, like I'm involving. But I just like 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:49.800 if we play seventy plays like I would establish the 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:52.560 first two plays like this is how I'm gonna play 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:56.240 for the next sixty eight plays, like I'm not taking 0:12:56.280 --> 0:13:00.400 a playoff. And it's just it's just different for me. 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:02.839 I like it. I think it's a refreshing, you know, 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:05.559 if we're talking on and off the field, to be 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:09.360 able to have guys like Steve that I know and Kurt, 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:11.960 all of our guys. When I when we talk trash, 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:14.280 it's not malicious. We're not We're not trying to come 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:18.360 at each other the wrong way. Um, And at home, 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:21.320 you might not get that with your spouse sometimes obviously, 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:23.120 if I'm a guy, like I told you my energy, 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:25.640 I'm I'm I like to take stuff home, you know 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:27.160 what I mean. So I could be talking smack to 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:28.800 my wife, but she didn't trying to hear that, like 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:32.560 you know what I mean. But if I can, if 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:37.120 I got another game what I'm saying. So it's like, um, 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:39.079 having your friends to be able to do that too. 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:42.880 And I know that I'm dynamic between us, um, not 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:46.679 truly playing each other. Um. It's how I try to 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:50.480 get underneath the skin because I truly know that I've 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:56.280 I've watched acknowledged um from a far and near the 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:59.160 competitor that he is. When was you near me? Well, 0:13:59.360 --> 0:14:01.559 I've been to Bucks games, you know what I mean, 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:04.720 like you as a fan. Yeah, you're the news bleeds. 0:14:05.200 --> 0:14:08.560 But now now, but now, now, now, I've been around 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:11.880 you enough. But that's so, here's a secret. When we 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:15.840 play golf, like me and being Curt in the golf cart, 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:20.480 curags like, bro, just let it go. No, he doesn't 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:24.640 get it though, Like I'm like when I say, like, really, 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:26.600 I would like want to kill you, bro, Like I 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:30.080 really wanted to kill you, Like I'm not like Kirk. 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:33.000 He doesn't understand, Like I'm not like like he he 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:39.840 like I was like like like I I go like 0:14:39.960 --> 0:14:43.000 most people like, oh, we go ten rounds. I'm like, Tyson, 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:47.120 I want to knock you out in the first fifty seconds. 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:51.640 I'm not interested in going twelve rounds because for me, 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:55.320 if I go twelve rounds, it turns. It takes me 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:58.120 into a dark place, it goes into a place where 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:01.600 it's like now, I'm just narrow focus and I don't. 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:03.160 I just I don't. I don't want to live that 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:06.800 way anymore. That's like it's can I ask you a question? Absolutely, 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:08.880 you welcome to ask me any question. Would you say, 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:10.880 have you learned that through just some of the time 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:14.840 of working with um, you know, speaking with people like Uh, 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:19.240 would that be therapists, uh, sports psychologists or just you know, 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:21.400 mental training or is that just something that you have 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:24.960 figured out on your own. Uh. It's a it's a 0:15:25.040 --> 0:15:28.640 combination of all. It's also self reflection to right, having 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:31.920 that time where you can sit and really kind of 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:35.960 you know, go through the process. Right. So, so for 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:39.120 what I mean by that is like, first of all, 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:41.440 when I used to get mad, for me, I would 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:44.200 I would narrow in my focus like my For most 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:47.600 people when they get upset, they get out of control. 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:50.360 Should we never played again each other? But you have 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:54.040 When I get piste, I'm a different Like it's not 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:56.800 like oh I'm slipping or I'm just like out of control. Now, 0:15:56.880 --> 0:16:02.520 it's just like like it's blinders, not blinders to wild 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:06.000 don't see everything, but blinders to now this is my 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:10.640 I have my assignment like a laser like focus, and 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:12.240 I know how you take, and I know how you take. 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:15.440 So he feeds off of that, and and I think 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:17.800 that that's that's the thing where I sit in the 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:21.280 middle of it and almost referee because he's feeding off 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:24.560 of him. But he also knows that at some point 0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:28.080 he's feeding, he's feeding. He thinks, oh, tick tick, and 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:30.000 he's over there like, man, this brother ain't got he 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:33.560 got about he go to four if it don't go 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:36.800 to count down from thirty. And and that's that difference 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:40.400 where it's like the he feeds off of it. But 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:43.000 then I try to, like you said, you don't try 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:46.120 to go for the juggnairet that that's and that's the 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:48.000 thing is like that you don't. You don't you don't 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:51.240 try to feed into it, and you don't you don't 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:52.560 want it to get there, but when it gets there, 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:55.080 you're you're you don't care where it gets to because 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:58.240 getting guy straight just wants to like and I love 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:01.160 it because I like we always knew like if Trey 0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:03.760 was um like he needed like we needed like what 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:05.960 we said we talked bad to Tray talk bad. And 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:08.600 he feeds off of that um. So that that was 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:12.320 just like when I'm watching him like hold on, yeah, yeah, 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:15.639 I see where this is going. So how much of 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:18.440 that is because you also talked about before. When you're 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:20.760 just talking about of it's almost sounds like leadership to like, 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:22.240 even if I take it back to being on the 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:25.720 field of knowing who's supposed to be where, knowing your teammates, 0:17:25.880 --> 0:17:28.879 is that part of leadership that you had to develop 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:32.040 your style of just knowing Like in this senstance, there's 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:34.400 knowing to people who are friends, but on the field 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:40.000 of knowing like all right, you know for wow, Like 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:43.720 until we played, I didn't want to be his friend. Yeah, 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:47.920 I was like I don't know about this and I 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:50.440 don't think it's gonna work. But you get what I'm saying, 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:52.560 is that that that intangible Like how how do you 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:54.880 build that up? Well? I think just taking the time 0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:57.639 to build the relationships with each and every person, Like, um, 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:02.000 you know, Smitty and I and we play when I 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:05.240 was in Philadelphia, and and you know, you always have 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:07.840 this perception of people, and I never had a bad perception, 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:10.520 but I knew, you know, I better bring my heart 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:13.320 hat to every single game. Spendy was lined up because 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:14.920 he was gonna find I felt like he was always 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:18.120 gonna find somebody at times, and you better be ready 0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:20.879 when when that shot. Yeah, well I mean just like 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:23.159 you better be being ready. But then him and I 0:18:23.200 --> 0:18:25.440 went golfing down in Kiwa, and I thought it was 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:27.760 just a great time. Our families, our wives you know, 0:18:27.880 --> 0:18:29.840 and talked even before then, so like it was it 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:31.679 was great because like you know, it's always nice when 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:33.880 your wives, you know, you can bring the whole family along. 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:37.480 It's not just boom boom. And so like I really 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:39.960 got to know him on a real personal level and 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:42.800 vice versas. So like I felt like that that was 0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:45.240 like the beginning of you know, us really actually taking it, 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:48.440 you know, just from you know, competitors to actually friends. 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:51.159 But then you know, try and I it was, you know, 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:53.320 the same thing in two thousand and fifteen when we started, 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:55.679 and then from there, you know, going to his wedding 0:18:55.840 --> 0:18:58.200 and and and doing all that stuff like with our family. 0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:03.000 So you know, him remember just bringing bringing a little 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:05.359 little trade to the house, um, you know when he 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:08.280 was first born, Like it's just stuff like that. It 0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:11.400 was it. But but um, at the end of the day, 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:14.399 like whether we didn't have that, like if we're in 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:17.000 the locker room. If you expect to be a leader, 0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:20.520 you better get to know people, because I think leadership 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:23.480 is more than just what you do. It's who you 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:26.720 are and what you want the atmosphere to become. And 0:19:26.760 --> 0:19:29.080 if you don't get to know somebody, I can't expect 0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:31.000 something out of you. And if I do expect that 0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:33.399 out of you, well, if I'm asking something out of you, 0:19:33.520 --> 0:19:35.560 like I better have taken the time to invest into you. 0:19:36.359 --> 0:19:38.840 And I think that's the only, um, the only fair thing. 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:43.040 And so what it's that old saying nobody cares what 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:51.399 you know right until I know that you care. I 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:54.560 love cut to It and I love it even more 0:19:54.680 --> 0:19:59.040 when you download us and subscribe, and you can follow 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:02.160 us on social media too, Smithy where where at? That's at? 0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:06.440 Cut to It on Instagram? What about Twitter? At? Cut 0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:10.320 to It Facebook? Cut to It featuring Steve Smith singr. 0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:13.840 What about online? And you can follow us at cut 0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:17.080 to It podcast dot com where you can buy merch 0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:20.320 and you can subscribe to us wherever you listen to podcasts. 0:20:21.160 --> 0:20:24.439 I got all my answers questions. Um, yeah, I got 0:20:24.560 --> 0:20:27.560 all my questions answered. That's what I'm here for. A 0:20:27.640 --> 0:20:31.600 brother cut to a podcast dot com. You know, I 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:34.600 think that's the struggle with with with fans and and 0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:44.160 and and in athletes, right, because there is this um expectation, right, 0:20:44.280 --> 0:20:48.359 but then there's no Sometimes there's no expectation on the 0:20:48.440 --> 0:20:52.080 other end, expectation of like you expected to when I 0:20:52.160 --> 0:20:54.840 see you give me what I want. But then there's 0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:59.320 the expectation of the other sometimes athletes like hey, some 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:02.040 days is it's cool, but the other days just a 0:21:02.080 --> 0:21:06.280 little bit of privacy, like my expectations when I'm my 0:21:06.400 --> 0:21:08.560 whole deal. Bro, when we're in the bathroom, I don't talk. 0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:16.159 We're not talking, dethletean and not. I think that's what 0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:20.159 you would think that I know definitely what's going on. 0:21:21.600 --> 0:21:24.160 I know they're definitely talking to him any chance they get. 0:21:24.200 --> 0:21:26.240 You know what I'm saying, they're taking they're taking advantage 0:21:26.240 --> 0:21:29.520 of the opportunity because so they got this bathroom. So 0:21:29.720 --> 0:21:33.280 the question, so, so the question is, uh, person versus 0:21:33.359 --> 0:21:36.359 the performer? Yeah, how do how do you handle how 0:21:36.400 --> 0:21:40.320 do you handle the person versus the performer? And then 0:21:41.680 --> 0:21:45.200 after you break that down, do you find your do 0:21:45.320 --> 0:21:49.000 you find yourself at any moment in in your career 0:21:49.880 --> 0:21:58.119 where you were maybe playing to the audience. Okay, I 0:21:58.160 --> 0:22:03.119 would say person versus to perform me. I know that 0:22:03.400 --> 0:22:08.000 my energy already comes off as um, fun, energetic, so 0:22:09.160 --> 0:22:11.159 I know I'm gonna meet a lot of people around 0:22:11.560 --> 0:22:15.639 um from me. Honestly, I think it's important for me 0:22:16.040 --> 0:22:20.360 to just acknowledge them, say hello, how you doing. Take 0:22:20.400 --> 0:22:22.480 a picture with him? You have a great day, have 0:22:22.560 --> 0:22:25.879 a blessed one. So we have a respect of Okay, 0:22:25.880 --> 0:22:27.720 I gave you what you needed, just like you said. 0:22:28.200 --> 0:22:30.480 Now can I get back to my privacy. It ain't 0:22:30.520 --> 0:22:33.120 no sitting here five minutes and talk to me. It's 0:22:33.160 --> 0:22:35.200 like you met me. I was a great guy, gave 0:22:35.200 --> 0:22:38.880 your pick saying how do your kids family? Now, let's 0:22:38.920 --> 0:22:41.760 go on by our privacy and so let me ask you. 0:22:42.320 --> 0:22:47.240 From what I hear, then you don't separate the person 0:22:47.400 --> 0:22:50.520 from the performer a little bit. If you say no, 0:22:50.800 --> 0:22:52.399 I get yeah, I get what you're saying. No, I 0:22:53.000 --> 0:22:55.680 don't much. I don't much like I don't think there's 0:22:55.680 --> 0:22:58.560 ever a time that I wouldn't let I think at 0:22:58.600 --> 0:23:01.680 the same time, as a respect from who my performer 0:23:02.040 --> 0:23:04.040 is to win, Like there's been people who have been 0:23:04.240 --> 0:23:06.960 who's dm me like Hey, I saw you at dinner 0:23:07.040 --> 0:23:09.440 with your wife and kids. Didn't want to come over. 0:23:09.640 --> 0:23:11.440 But I just want to let you I'm not talking Yeah, 0:23:11.440 --> 0:23:14.440 I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about just Persian performers, 0:23:14.640 --> 0:23:17.680 That's what I'm saying. So for me, um, no, I'm 0:23:17.680 --> 0:23:20.119