Speaker 1: Welcome everybody. Tuesday edition of The Clay Travis end Buck
Speaker 1: Sexton Show kicks off right now. I am a dad,
Speaker 1: So now I've got two dads talking to you here
Speaker 1: on the show. Clay an old, grizzled, grizzled veteran of fatherhood,
Speaker 1: me gray Beard. I'm a rookie to this fatherhood thing,
Speaker 1: but I have to tell you I absolutely love it,
Speaker 1: and I appreciate so much all of the just the
Speaker 1: kind words and well wishes and everything from the moms
Speaker 1: and dads out there and everybody who were so kind.
Speaker 1: As I was out for a few days carry my
Speaker 1: wife a total trooper, never lost her temper, never was
Speaker 1: anything other than upbeat during it was pretty long, pretty
Speaker 1: long time in the hospital, but she was gonna say
Speaker 1: we got through it. She got through it. I was
Speaker 1: there for moral support. And the only thing I learned
Speaker 1: is probably next time, wait until my wife is out
Speaker 1: of the hospital before I'm like, when can we have more?
Speaker 1: So I was like, can we do two or three
Speaker 1: of these? This is awesome? So yes, the baby thing
Speaker 1: is incredible. And if I seem a little even more
Speaker 1: upbeat and a bulliont about the future than ever, it's
Speaker 1: because well, you all, those of you who have had kids,
Speaker 1: you know exactly what I'm talking about it, and the
Speaker 1: grandparents out there, you know that you just it just
Speaker 1: kind of puts you in a frame of mind, in
Speaker 1: a mood. So everything is great, Carrie's doing fantastically, babies adorable, healthy,
Speaker 1: Everything is great. Thank you so much, Clay, thank you
Speaker 1: for rocking out. I was listening when I was out
Speaker 1: because you know, as one does when you're just sitting
Speaker 1: around in the hospital. Talk radio is like your salvation
Speaker 1: when you are stuck in a hospital room for hours,
Speaker 1: hours and hours on end. So I was listening to
Speaker 1: the podcasts and stuff, great shows, and I say, we
Speaker 1: just jump right into it, and if you guys want
Speaker 1: to talk more, talk more fatherhood ideas or the first
Speaker 1: few weeks or anything, we can just throw that into
Speaker 1: the mix as we go. But yes, I'm in kind
Speaker 1: of a like walking on cloud a cloud nine attitude,
Speaker 1: as I'm sure you all understanding. It was fantastic, but
Speaker 1: we got a country to save and we got a
Speaker 1: lot of things going on as well. So let's just
Speaker 1: lay out there that we'll discuss this this situation, Clay,
Speaker 1: of this individual who has been sent the case of
Speaker 1: Guilmar Abrago Garcia, who has been sent to El Salvador,
Speaker 1: and now it's in the it's in the courts, and
Speaker 1: the Libs are saying Trump has to bring him back,
Speaker 1: and Trump's like, that's foreign policy related to judge can't
Speaker 1: actually review it, so we'll discuss this. I think it's
Speaker 1: very interesting. I also threw out an idea on Twitter
Speaker 1: which I don't think is crazy. Maybe this is crazy,
Speaker 1: but I don't think this is crazy. Trump Trump International
Speaker 1: El Salvador. I think it would send such a signal
Speaker 1: this country is incredibly safe. He's talked about it in Gaza,
Speaker 1: for Heaven's sakes, which is not incredibly safe. I think
Speaker 1: that this would send such a signal that great allies
Speaker 1: of the United States, people that make the right decisions,
Speaker 1: and I think it's a lovely place. The problem with
Speaker 1: El Salvador used to be that was the murder capital
Speaker 1: of the world per capita, or in the top three.
Speaker 1: Now it's the safest country in the Western Hemisphere. So
Speaker 1: I think time to start putting in some form investment.
Speaker 1: I think the Trump International or whatever they want to
Speaker 1: call a Trump sen Salvador would be a pretty cool.
Speaker 1: So if anyone has a line into Eric Trump at
Speaker 1: the Trump organization, I just think it's an interesting idea.
Speaker 1: But Clay I wanted to start with this one. The
Speaker 1: Trump let's just say what it is, the Trump War
Speaker 1: on woe campuses, and Harvard University has found out that
Speaker 1: Trump administration is going to freeze two billion dollars that
Speaker 1: had been committed to this. It is tax day today,
Speaker 1: which we'll talk more about. So, as Clay blearned out
Speaker 1: to me before the show, I think this is a
Speaker 1: particularly worthwhile time for us to say, hold on a second.
Speaker 1: So the government backs the student loans with you know,
Speaker 1: with no risk to these institutions whatsoever, and so that
Speaker 1: lets them jack up the tuition endlessly. When my dad
Speaker 1: went to Harvard Business School, clay and was he was
Speaker 1: a doc boy that's what they called them, and waiting
Speaker 1: tables over the summer to make money to pay, and
Speaker 1: you could where the Business school was like two grand
Speaker 1: for the year for the semester. This is obviously like
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy. But now these schools are eighty grand, seventy five,
Speaker 1: eighty grand a year. It's outrageous. And on top of that,
Speaker 1: they're getting billions of dollars of research money, and they're
Speaker 1: left wing lunacy factories. I like that Harvard and a
Speaker 1: bunch of other schools are getting some heat from the
Speaker 1: Trump team and that this is a real initiative. They're
Speaker 1: not just coming up with this ad hoc. They want
Speaker 1: to make universities abide by the spirit of not only
Speaker 1: the Constitution, but the American ethos. This is where Hillsdale
Speaker 1: College gets it right. And I'm not saying that just
Speaker 1: because they're a sponsor. I love a lot of what
Speaker 1: they put out into the educational ecosystem on a variety
Speaker 1: of different levels.
Speaker 2: But think about this. It is tax day, and I'm
Speaker 2: sure many of you are, like me, stroking checks that
Speaker 2: you don't want to stroke to send to a government
Speaker 2: that you feel is likely to be wasting the money
Speaker 2: that you are giving them, and that you could spend
Speaker 2: that money, or save that money, or utilize that money
Speaker 2: that you earned better than the government could. I am
Speaker 2: with you. Our tax rates are far too high. Okay,
Speaker 2: with that being said, colleges right now, colleges.
Speaker 1: Get a team.
Speaker 2: You can correct me on this if I'm wrong, but
Speaker 2: I think this is pretty much true everywhere they get
Speaker 2: tens of billions of dollars in direct cash payments from
Speaker 2: the American taxpayer. That should end, and we'll talk about
Speaker 2: that in a moment. But we're giving them property tax
Speaker 2: subsidies in almost every city and state, and we are
Speaker 2: giving them tax exemption, meaning that their endowments can grow
Speaker 2: without having to be taxed in the same way that
Speaker 2: yours and minds earnings are taxed. If you give them
Speaker 2: property tax exemptions and you give them not for profit
Speaker 2: status so they don't have to pay taxes, the taxpayers
Speaker 2: are already subsidizing colleges and universities to a massive degree.
Speaker 2: To build on what Buck said, then we all subsidized
Speaker 2: student loans and try to take the risk from the
Speaker 2: university itself and place it on the American taxpayer, our government.
Speaker 2: Why in the world are we also giving them tens
Speaker 2: of billions of dollars in taxpayer subsidies. I don't think
Speaker 2: any college or university should get any of our taxpayer dollars.
Speaker 2: I think a subsidy on property taxes and on not
Speaker 2: for profit status should give them plenty plus their endowments.
Speaker 2: Let them actually deal with their own cost structure, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, there are limits on these things. Right, you
Speaker 1: think about religious institutions, they are tax exempt, but you
Speaker 1: tend to under people understand why proselytizing, for example, if
Speaker 1: that's if the government was funding that, there'd be an issue, right, well,
Speaker 1: why are universities getting all this money that they can
Speaker 1: then use to pay salaries, administrative costs, all this other
Speaker 1: They say it's for research, as if they're all running DARPA,
Speaker 1: you know, Defense Advanced Research Project Agency out of the
Speaker 1: Pentagon figuring out how to give site to the blind.
Speaker 1: Really important, amazing stuff. I guarantee. If you think there's fraud,
Speaker 1: waste and abuse in the federal government, just wait until
Speaker 1: you see what the administrative staffs of universities have turned into.
Speaker 1: This has been true across education. By the way, my
Speaker 1: friend Ines Felcher has done great work on this clay
Speaker 1: something like administrative headcount. And this is true from nursery
Speaker 1: and you know, public schools and you know the very
Speaker 1: beginning of education all the way up through universities and
Speaker 1: PhD programs. Administrative staff has grown at breakneck pace in
Speaker 1: the last twenty or so years, like six times what
Speaker 1: actual teaching staff has. So whatever you think about how
Speaker 1: fast teaching staff is growing, and the administrative staff. And
Speaker 1: this is where you get DEI this is where you
Speaker 1: I mean meaning people that that's their job. We had
Speaker 1: diversity deans at my college. That was an actual job title,
Speaker 1: and there were a lot of them, and their job
Speaker 1: was to just march around and make sure that you
Speaker 1: never said a naughty thing or took a non approved
Speaker 1: position in public on the town square in the college
Speaker 1: green or you'd be in trouble. You'd have to go
Speaker 1: to re education camp. And which did happen to people?
Speaker 1: I might add that was one of the punishments you'd
Speaker 1: have to go and do like sensitivity training essentially clay.
Speaker 1: And you know the other part of this that I
Speaker 1: love is the so yes, the tax A lot of
Speaker 1: you are saying, why are my tax dollars going to
Speaker 1: subsidize Harvard has a what's the endowment? Sixty billion dollars
Speaker 1: something like.
Speaker 2: I was talking about that yesterday and I meant to
Speaker 2: wok up with the heart. I'm gonna look it up
Speaker 2: right now, because again, the otrageous yes, yes, I mean.
Speaker 1: This is this is an amazing amount of money that
Speaker 1: they have piled. The three billion as of last year
Speaker 1: that's astonishing, astonishing, And so you sit here and you say, well,
Speaker 1: hold on a second. You're as you're getting ready to
Speaker 1: you know, or hopefully you've already got it in. But
Speaker 1: if you're getting in the last minute, pay your taxes,
Speaker 1: and you're trying to make ends meet Harvard with its
Speaker 1: tens of billions of dollars sitting in the bank and
Speaker 1: all these bloated salaries for professors who maybe teach a
Speaker 1: class once a week and take sabbaticals of a year
Speaker 1: where they get paid, and all the I mean, the
Speaker 1: waste and everything in this is met. The other part
Speaker 1: of this play is the university system. We have to
Speaker 1: be on the same way that federal bureaucracy has become
Speaker 1: a province of the left and essentially a form of
Speaker 1: permanent left wing governance. That is, that is not about elections, right.
Speaker 1: The federal bureaucracy, if you the EPA until Trump came along,
Speaker 1: was democrats getting what they want, whether it was a
Speaker 1: Republican or a Democrat administration. The university system, it's the
Speaker 1: same thing. It's no matter who wins, who loses, doesn't
Speaker 1: change the faculty at Harvard, doesn't change the board of overseers,
Speaker 1: and they are factories of the left wing insanity that
Speaker 1: has infected so much of this country in recent years.
Speaker 1: They're not teaching people important stuff. They're teaching people left
Speaker 1: wing nonsense, and so I think it's time that they're
Speaker 1: held to account.
Speaker 2: I just think, at a bare minimum, if you want
Speaker 2: to have complete independence, you should do what Hillsdale College did.
Speaker 2: Harvard has fifty three billion dollars in their endowment. They
Speaker 2: have Again, it's not like they have to pay a
Speaker 2: massive amount of tax on that endowment.
Speaker 1: Every year.
Speaker 2: They return around to eight nine ten percent probably a
Speaker 2: year on average, so they're growing that at a five
Speaker 2: billion dollars a year clip. I don't think that a
Speaker 2: government should be in the business of dictating to colleges
Speaker 2: exactly what they can do. But if you take our
Speaker 2: taxpayer dollars, then the government does have a say in
Speaker 2: what you do. I mean, that's been established for a
Speaker 2: long time. Go back and read Bob Jones put in
Speaker 2: my constitutional law hat when the government gives you money,
Speaker 2: they have a right to be involved in the way
Speaker 2: that you run your college and university. And I think
Speaker 2: the biggest solution here as we sit on tax Day
Speaker 2: is Why are we giving billions of dollars in subsidies,
Speaker 2: tens of billions of dollars in direct cash subsidies from
Speaker 2: our tax dollars to these universities. They should be able
Speaker 2: to make their business, which is the university, work without
Speaker 2: needing any money from the federal government at all. If
Speaker 2: they can't, they got to cut back like most businesses
Speaker 2: would that don't have tens of billions of dollars in
Speaker 2: federal dollars coming in. And I know what they're going
Speaker 2: to do now, They're say the research grants that they're
Speaker 2: gonna they're gonna try to promote.
Speaker 1: The New York Times is going to come forward. Because
Speaker 1: remember that this is this is this is like the
Speaker 1: cathedral of the left. This is so important to them
Speaker 1: to have dominance, not just of of education in a
Speaker 1: broad sense, Clay, but of elite educational institutions. They have
Speaker 1: seized so called elite. They have seized these places and
Speaker 1: leveraged them for their own maximum benefit. They turn into
Speaker 1: indoctrination factories for kids to come out with. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: know not everybody I went to ammers. You know, you
Speaker 1: went to you to law school at Vanderbilt, that you
Speaker 1: can go to these places and not come out of communists.
Speaker 1: But I'm sure Vanderbilt's probably well, I don't know how
Speaker 1: left wing is Vanderbilt. I I think Vanderbilt is actually committed.
Speaker 1: A credit to the new chancellor a Vanderbilt. They kicked
Speaker 1: all the protesters out, they have the University of Chicago
Speaker 1: Free Speech Code.
Speaker 2: It's been solidly committed. They just re signed the chancellor
Speaker 2: for ten years. I'm really very confident in the direction
Speaker 2: Vanderbilt's going, but I hope that other schools follow that lead.
Speaker 2: And I don't think it's coincidental that Vanderbilt is able
Speaker 2: to go that direction while being based in a state
Speaker 2: like Tennessee. Well, I think the SEC schools in general,
Speaker 2: buck are a little bit different than your northeastern Ivy
Speaker 2: League schools.
Speaker 1: As the weather gets better, the schools get less insane.
Speaker 1: Not always true, but you know, I know there's Duke
Speaker 1: and there's some exceptions to this. But as things get warmer,
Speaker 1: I think you tend to have less the most the
Speaker 1: most radical stuff is in the Northeast. It's where I went,
Speaker 1: It's in the areas where I went to school. That's
Speaker 1: where you have the craziest stuff. Maybe the Pacific Northwest too,
Speaker 1: But there's nothing that that really can compare to how
Speaker 1: crazy those places are. How you know, Brown University, Wesleyan University,
Speaker 1: these these institutions. But Clay I would just say, I
Speaker 1: think this is this is important. You know, Stephen Miller
Speaker 1: is reportedly very much involved with this working group that's
Speaker 1: that's going after that, and I think it's it's necessary
Speaker 1: to put these universities on notice. They've been engaged in racism.
Speaker 1: According to the Supreme Court, they've been engaged in racism
Speaker 1: for a long time. These are racist institutions that are
Speaker 1: getting These are constitutional violators. They are violating the right
Speaker 1: that all of us have to be judged not by
Speaker 1: the color of our skin, but by the content of
Speaker 1: our character or by our SAT scores. They are in
Speaker 1: violation and still to this day, they're trying to just
Speaker 1: pull all these games. So part of we can get
Speaker 1: into some of what the Trump administration wants them. They
Speaker 1: want an end to all DEI programs. This is to
Speaker 1: continue to get federal funding. They want access to admission
Speaker 1: records because they know that all these schools are just
Speaker 1: they're ignoring the Supreme Court. They're just going to keep
Speaker 1: doing what they did, which is making sure that they have,
Speaker 1: you know, the percentage of black students they want, the
Speaker 1: percentage of Native American students they want, and so on
Speaker 1: and so forth. They're going to do that even though
Speaker 1: that's a violation of what the Supreme Court has said.
Speaker 1: So I think this is I think this is great,
Speaker 1: and it also is going to change people's thinking because
Speaker 1: one of the things, you know, Clay, I'll be honest
Speaker 1: about this, whenever I would have I don't know what
Speaker 1: your experience was with this, whenever. You know, earlier on
Speaker 1: particularly my media career, like young conservators would reach out
Speaker 1: to me. They would say, I have a professor who
Speaker 1: is a communist, like I'm going to write a paper
Speaker 1: that really tells him. And I said no. I said no,
Speaker 1: because I want you to get the best possible. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying don't lie, like, don't write things that you'd
Speaker 1: be embarrassed by. But don't think you're going to die
Speaker 1: on this hill and be a hero by getting an
Speaker 1: f as a student at some school your parents are
Speaker 1: paying god knows how much money to sent or that
Speaker 1: you're taking out loans to go to get the best job.
Speaker 1: You can be as successful as you can help change
Speaker 1: the country when you get out of that place, because
Speaker 1: you're not gonna to change it really effectively from the inside.
Speaker 1: I think the mystique of a lot of these places
Speaker 1: is fading, and that's part of the power the left
Speaker 1: is counted on. Like, oh, I went to Harvard. Even
Speaker 1: you look at something, the people want to Harvard there, morons,
Speaker 1: I know this.
Speaker 2: Your wife went to the University of Florida. It's almost
Speaker 2: impossible possible university.
Speaker 1: If we were just talking to one of our neighbors
Speaker 1: whose boy wants to go there, and they're talking, they're
Speaker 1: talking Ivy League equivalent SAT scores or act. I guess
Speaker 1: if you're in the South Ivy League equivalent scores to
Speaker 1: get into a University of Florida. Now everybody wants to
Speaker 1: go University of Tennessee. Buck.
Speaker 2: When I was a kid, seventeen eighteen years old, you
Speaker 2: basically had to have a pulse to get into the
Speaker 2: University of Tennessee. They have tens of thousands of applicants.
Speaker 2: Now it's become increasingly difficult to get in there. University
Speaker 2: of Georgia, it's almost impossible, UF. I mean, what's happening
Speaker 2: is people are voting with their actual dollars. And I'll
Speaker 2: tell you this, When I was a kid, nobody from Chicago,
Speaker 2: LA or New York City would brag about sending their
Speaker 2: kid to an SEC school. Now they all do. It's
Speaker 2: a major cultural shift.
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Speaker 2: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton find them on the free
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Speaker 2: in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you
Speaker 2: hanging out with us as we are rolling through the
Speaker 2: program here. We've been breaking down a lot of different
Speaker 2: stories out there. Buck back, new dad baby in the house.
Speaker 2: Very exciting. We'll continue to talk about that. Appreciate all
Speaker 2: the fabulous responses we've gotten so far. So Buck, I
Speaker 2: want to hit this story because I think it's important
Speaker 2: and I think it ties in with a little bit
Speaker 2: about what we were discussing, which is the inability to
Speaker 2: distinguish between good and evil. And in particular, this story
Speaker 2: is from Texas, north of Dallas, I believe, Frisco, Texas.
Speaker 1: And for those of you to not hear about this story.
Speaker 2: A seventeen year old, Austin Metcalf, was stabbed to death
Speaker 2: at a track meet by another seventeen year old named
Speaker 2: Carmelo Anthony. Anthony has been arrested. He's been charged with
Speaker 2: the crime. He admits that he did it. It appears
Speaker 2: that his argument is going to be predicated on some
Speaker 2: form of self defense. In other words, there is no
Speaker 2: disputing that he had a knife and that he stabbed
Speaker 2: this kid in the heart and killed him. The seventeen
Speaker 2: year old who was stabbed to death, Austin Metcalf, died
Speaker 2: in his twin brother's arms. This is an awful story.
Speaker 2: It has received a substantial amount of attention in the
Speaker 2: wake of the stabbing. The family of Carmelo Anthony set
Speaker 2: up a legal defense fund and it was hosted by
Speaker 2: a individual company and that fund has raised over four
Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars. Now, to be fair, the company that
Speaker 2: is allowing this fund to be raised is the same one.
Speaker 2: Their position is, hey, you should be able to raise
Speaker 2: money for your legal defense. We're not going to make
Speaker 2: decisions based on what you're charged with, what your race is.
Speaker 2: They are going to allow it to be set up
Speaker 2: no matter what. So this is not GoFundMe. This is
Speaker 2: another one. But he's raised over four hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: They just lowered his bail from one million dollars to
Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty thousand dollars since you only have
Speaker 2: to pay ten percent usually in order to get bail.
Speaker 2: That's just twenty five k of the four hundred thousand
Speaker 2: plus that has been raised for him. The family bought
Speaker 2: a new house buck The family has reportedly bought a
Speaker 2: new house with the four hundred thousand dollars that has
Speaker 2: been raised for this seventeen year old who is accused
Speaker 2: of in cold blood murdering another seventeen year old at
Speaker 2: a track meet, stabbed him in the heart, killed him.
Speaker 2: What does it say for society today? I think you
Speaker 2: can tie this in with the Luigi Mangioni case. I
Speaker 2: think you can tie it in with what happened on
Speaker 2: October seventh. That someone can stab teenage boys, one can
Speaker 2: stab the other one in the heart, and over four
Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars can be raised, the bail can be reduced,
Speaker 2: which seems crazy to me. He's only having to pay
Speaker 2: twenty five thousand dollars and they're buying a house with
Speaker 2: all of the hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations
Speaker 2: that has rolled in the family.
Speaker 1: Well, here's how here's how I would would want to
Speaker 1: approach this clay. There are almost twenty thousand murders and
Speaker 1: non negligent manslaughter cases in the United States every year.
Speaker 1: Right depends on the year, but let's call it roughly
Speaker 1: twenty thousand murders a year in this country. That's right,
Speaker 1: one kind or another. Why is this murder getting or
Speaker 1: alleged murder? Right, this is legally what we're supposed to say,
Speaker 1: But why is this incident and the facts aren't in dispute.
Speaker 1: It's not like he's saying I didn't stab it. He
Speaker 1: stabbed him to death. Everyone saw it. This is so,
Speaker 1: why are there people who are donating money for this
Speaker 1: legal defense who have never donated money for anyone else's
Speaker 1: legal defense. Why is there this ground swell of people
Speaker 1: who want to assist the Carmelo Anthony family here, not
Speaker 1: the metcalf family, notably, not the family that just lost
Speaker 1: their boy for absolutely no reason whatsoever, in the most
Speaker 1: vicious and violent way. They don't care about that family.
Speaker 1: They care about the Carmelo Anthony family. I think we
Speaker 1: have to ask this question, and I don't think that
Speaker 1: there's a single answer. I think there are there are
Speaker 1: many different answers. I think that there are people who
Speaker 1: like to believe different narratives. I think there are people
Speaker 1: who like to feel like they are advancing the cause
Speaker 1: of justice by assisting those who are oppressed. It's one
Speaker 1: way of saying it, because this is the other thing
Speaker 1: I'm seeing people who are saying it's self defense. This
Speaker 1: is the line that you are hearing everywhere, and unfortunately
Speaker 1: that is an outrageous claim under these circumstances. Yes, because
Speaker 1: what they're doing is they're saying, well, well, Carmelo Anthony
Speaker 1: had a credible fear or a reasonable fear of his
Speaker 1: own safety and or life, and so he reacted in
Speaker 1: this way. If this is self defense, anybody who has
Speaker 1: a crossword with anybody in any high school anywhere across
Speaker 1: the country can murder that person in cold blood in
Speaker 1: front of their family members at a crowded event and
Speaker 1: get away with it. True, And anyone who is donating
Speaker 1: money to this individual is really donating money to the
Speaker 1: most toxic and cynical and divisive aspects of American politics.
Speaker 1: I think that they are and society. I think that
Speaker 1: they are really adding fuel onto the fire here of
Speaker 1: a lot of discontent and resentment. And let's just be
Speaker 1: honest about this. They've decided that because this kid is black,
Speaker 1: they are going to back him to the greatest degree
Speaker 1: possible while he estab this white kid to death. And
Speaker 1: you want to ask, why is that? Are they trying
Speaker 1: to Is this supposed to be some kind of a
Speaker 1: reckoning moment? Are they trying to force some kind of
Speaker 1: oj situation here where it doesn't matter what he did?
Speaker 1: I mean, what exactly is the point that they make
Speaker 1: with all this monetary and public support of this seventeen
Speaker 1: year old who stabbed another kid to death in front
Speaker 1: of his dad.
Speaker 2: I'll go time to kill for a second time today.
Speaker 2: But can you imagine the reaction if a white kid
Speaker 2: stabbed a black kid to death that attract me, gets
Speaker 2: his bail reduced from one million to two hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars, raises over four hundred thousand dollars, and
Speaker 2: buy the family buys a new house with it. It
Speaker 2: would be the very definition of white privilege everybody.
Speaker 1: People would be saying that it's a research so of
Speaker 1: the Ku Klux Klan or something. I mean. They would
Speaker 1: be saying it's a white supremacist ground swell, that's what
Speaker 1: the meat, and I don't just mean totally. Media would
Speaker 1: be saying that there would be protest marches. It would
Speaker 1: be everywhere. And I don't begrudge. Producer Ali says, well,
Speaker 1: how in the world are you going to defend argue
Speaker 1: self defense?
Speaker 2: He has no other defense. So again, I've been a
Speaker 2: criminal defense attorney. I don't begrudge the argument of self defense.
Speaker 2: When you admit that you stab somebody in the heart
Speaker 2: with a knife, hold on, there is that applies to
Speaker 2: the that applies to the lawyer. I'm talking about people
Speaker 2: that are buying this, and so I'm going to give
Speaker 2: money to.
Speaker 1: Try to help this this fani. Well, why does Carmelo
Speaker 1: Anthony's family does Carmelo Anthony's family should be, you know,
Speaker 1: begging for forgiveness and saying we're sorry that our son
Speaker 1: murdered somebody for no reason.
Speaker 2: Yes, he has no defense. So the only defense he
Speaker 2: has is self defense. So yes, that's the legal that
Speaker 2: makes sense, that's the old that's the war, your job.
Speaker 2: That's the only defense he has. But why would anybody
Speaker 2: else buy into that? And how in the world do
Speaker 2: you reward.
Speaker 1: The family who has failed.
Speaker 2: Look, if you're seventeen year old, white, black, Asian or
Speaker 2: Hispanic stabs another kid to death at a school event,
Speaker 2: you failed as a parent in some way. I'm sorry
Speaker 2: you did. So the idea that the parent would be rewarded.
Speaker 2: You can't tell me that the kid took a knife
Speaker 2: to school if you aren't taking knives to school. This
Speaker 2: goes for anybody out there, your kids, your grandkids. Something's wrong.
Speaker 2: I told my kids this recently. I said, hey, I
Speaker 2: understand that people have guns. If you're a high school
Speaker 2: kid and you find yourself out with other high school
Speaker 2: kids who have loaded weapons, You've made a very poor decision.
Speaker 2: You need to extricate yourself from that situation. If you
Speaker 2: find your taking knives that could be used to stab
Speaker 2: someone to death to school, you have failed in some
Speaker 2: way as a parent to allow that situation to occur.
Speaker 1: And so I really yeah, I agree with a lot
Speaker 1: of course, but who's donating to this? Like the really
Speaker 1: really think what is the mentality? Why are you giving
Speaker 1: money to this day he has been assigned for trying
Speaker 1: to give.
Speaker 2: Thousand dollars, not even just donating, donating tons of money?
Speaker 1: This is what I mean. Who is giving money for this?
Speaker 1: And and what is the mentality behind that? You would
Speaker 1: have to but to truly believe this was a self
Speaker 1: defense case, you would have to be such a moron
Speaker 1: that you can't spell self defense. There's just no way,
Speaker 1: it's not possible.
Speaker 2: I think it's identity politics. I think it's purely Hey,
Speaker 2: this is a black kid who killed a white kid.
Speaker 2: I would bet if you go and look at the donors,
Speaker 2: I think a large majority of them would be white
Speaker 2: liberals who are whose brains are broken. And I think
Speaker 2: black people who are buying into the idea that because
Speaker 2: this black kid stabbed a white kid, that he is
Speaker 2: somehow the victim and he's being cashiered by the media
Speaker 2: and attacked unfairly. So I think if you went and looked,
Speaker 2: I think this is the other thing.
Speaker 1: Buck.
Speaker 2: I think this would be ninety five percent Kamala Harris
Speaker 2: voters right, if they voted at all. Definitely define Democrats
Speaker 2: who aren't don't take the money one hundred percent. But
Speaker 2: I mean when you when you think about again, I
Speaker 2: just the mentality of somebody. So is it for some
Speaker 2: of these individuals, it's you know, there's like guilty white liberals,
Speaker 2: you know, guilty conscience white liberals who think, I'm just
Speaker 2: going to help this young black kid because he made
Speaker 2: like a mistake and I don't want his whole life,
Speaker 2: so they're going to write a check even though he
Speaker 2: murdered somebody or allegedly murdered somebody. Right, And and then you,
Speaker 2: I guess you have members of the black community who
Speaker 2: are just deciding, well, he's black, so I'm going to
Speaker 2: stand with him in this. But to that, I just
Speaker 2: want to say, why would you stand with this black
Speaker 2: murderer and.
Speaker 1: Not any of the others. You see him, like, well,
Speaker 1: why are you picking this because it's a high level
Speaker 1: case where he killed a white guy? Like, what message
Speaker 1: are people trying to send? I think the message of
Speaker 1: racial division. Here's another question, and I think answer that
Speaker 1: makes this story. Again, I hate that this is a story,
Speaker 1: but I do think it is a snapshot of the
Speaker 1: world in which we live for some people. If he
Speaker 1: had stabbed a black kid, which is far more common, right,
Speaker 1: most victims of racial violence are the same race. If
Speaker 1: he had stabbed a black kid to death, same exact situation,
Speaker 1: but the kid's black, not one person by and large
Speaker 1: would have heard about it. Nobody would have raised money
Speaker 1: for him. I doubt they would have dropped his veil.
Speaker 1: I bet that it would have barely made local Dallas news.
Speaker 2: It certainly wouldn't have become a national story. White kids' lives,
Speaker 2: in the eyes of the media, are worthy of cover
Speaker 2: when they are taken violently in a situation like this.
Speaker 2: It's happened so regularly to young black men that if
Speaker 2: a young black man kills another young black man, it's
Speaker 2: barely a blip on the national radar. The only reason
Speaker 2: this is a story is because there was race involved.
Speaker 2: If it's black on black crime, not a story at all.
Speaker 2: That's the other part of this. And nobody donates to
Speaker 2: the guy of the four hundred thousand dollars buck. I
Speaker 2: bet he wouldn't have been able to raise four thousand
Speaker 2: dollars if he had stabbed another black kid to death.
Speaker 2: Think about the poison that will be injected into the
Speaker 2: veins of the American populace if this kid is either
Speaker 2: hung jury or gets off, which you can't discount as
Speaker 2: a possibility. All you need jury. Don't know what the
Speaker 2: jury or jury is going, It just needs one.
Speaker 1: Right And now we've seen is there's a movement to
Speaker 1: make this kid into some kind of a victim. The
Speaker 1: facts are not in dispute, Okay, I don't at an event,
Speaker 1: at a high school event where there's people everywhere, you
Speaker 1: don't get to just pull a knife out and stab
Speaker 1: somebody in By the way, I've said this to friends
Speaker 1: of mine too, Clay, because this does matter. You know,
Speaker 1: you can pull a knife out, and it's a bad
Speaker 1: thing to do, obviously, But if you pull a knife out,
Speaker 1: you know, you slash somebody on the arm. You know
Speaker 1: you you you kind of you know, you go like hey, buddy,
Speaker 1: like the next one.
Speaker 2: For most people, if you pull a knife out, it
Speaker 2: ends the entire compensation without you even having to wave
Speaker 2: it anywhere.
Speaker 1: People are like, dude, stab somebody in the heart is
Speaker 1: to go for intentional legal force right away when you're
Speaker 1: under no threat. It is vicious, It is barbarous. And
Speaker 1: this kid should spend the rest of his life in prison.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know the Supreme Courts that he's not eighteen,
Speaker 1: so they won't. You know, you can't go beyond life
Speaker 1: in prison. But the fact that people are raising money
Speaker 1: for this is it's just it's just appalling.
Speaker 2: How about dropping the bail. Why isn't the bail getting
Speaker 2: dropped from a million two hundred and fifty. Oh, you
Speaker 2: have to pay his twenty five k to get out
Speaker 2: of prison after you stab somebody to death.
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Speaker 1: you're if you're a J six defendant who walked into
Speaker 1: the Capitol building for like three minutes and took a
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Speaker 1: year while you sat in solitary confinement in DC, how
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Speaker 2: A lot of people rolling in with reactions to the story,
Speaker 2: and again I think from down in Texas, the stabbing
Speaker 2: family buying a brand new home. Let me tell you something, Buck,
Speaker 2: four hundred thousand dollars gets you a really good home
Speaker 2: in many parts of Texas. That is not even just
Speaker 2: a a a that's a really good home that they're
Speaker 2: buying off legal defense fund donations. Now, I question whether
Speaker 2: that's legal because if you're raising money under the auspices of, hey,
Speaker 2: we're going to retain really good lawyers who could cost
Speaker 2: hundreds of thousands of dollars criminal defense attorneys could, and
Speaker 2: then you use the money that you ostensibly were raising
Speaker 2: for legal defense to buy a home, that seems like
Speaker 2: a misappropriation of the funds that were raised in the
Speaker 2: way that they're being used. Paying the bail money. That
Speaker 2: would be somewhat understandable because it is connected the fact
Speaker 2: that the bail was dropped from one million to two
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty thousand dollars is crazy to me. The
Speaker 2: fact that you can kill someone and get out of
Speaker 2: prison for twenty five k blows my mind. I don't
Speaker 2: know the standard dollars that are applied here again for
Speaker 2: people who don't know, Usually you have to put forward
Speaker 2: about ten percent of the bail money and the other
Speaker 2: parts covered. But the fact that that could end up
Speaker 2: in this situation. Alan Dershowitz Cut twenty nine is saying
Speaker 2: what we just said, which is and it's interesting because
Speaker 2: Alan Dershowitz was one of the defense attorneys for OJ Simpson.
Speaker 2: But he is saying, Hey, if the race dynamics here
Speaker 2: were reversed, everybody would be talking about it in a
Speaker 2: totally different way.
Speaker 1: Here's cut twenty nine.
Speaker 3: This is all about who the jury is. This will
Speaker 3: all be determined by the jury. If the racial factors
Speaker 3: were reversed, if a white man had killed an unarmed
Speaker 3: black man, everybody would be on the reverse side of this.
Speaker 3: We live in a society where everything is judged by race.
Speaker 3: You know, the Bible says to judges and prosecutors don't
Speaker 3: recognize people just do abstract justice. We're way, way way
Speaker 3: beyond that. If the racial elements were reversed there, virtually
Speaker 3: all the people who are calling for him to be
Speaker 3: acquitted would be calling for him to be a quick
Speaker 3: convicted and vice versa.
Speaker 1: Let's not kit ourselves.
Speaker 3: We live in a race conscious society. And jury selection,
Speaker 3: which of course you're the guest, is so brilliant that
Speaker 3: and did so well in the Zimmament cases. Terman, the
Speaker 3: outcome of this case without a doubt.
Speaker 2: So he's saying the jury selection, as we kind of
Speaker 2: hinted at buck, would determine. Now, I don't know what
Speaker 2: the makeup of jury's in Frisco, Texas typically is, but
Speaker 2: again I'm just focused on what we know has happened here.
Speaker 2: Stabbing definitely occurred. Only defense is self defense. That seems
Speaker 2: very weak to me from a legal perspective. And the
Speaker 2: family has now bought a new multi hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 2: home and he's only had to pay twenty five thousand
Speaker 2: dollars to get out of prison. For this, he is
Speaker 2: profiting and his family is directly profiting off of murdering
Speaker 2: in cold blood a completely innocent seventeen year old to
Speaker 2: attract me and I'll take some of the call. Some
Speaker 2: people are saying, well, this could be self defense.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Actually it cannot be self defense because there's
Speaker 1: no reasonable way to explain how a verbal dispute over
Speaker 1: seats could turn into I have to pull a knife
Speaker 1: out of my bag and stab you in the heart
Speaker 1: with it. If that now is the standard of self defense,
Speaker 1: anybody who doesn't like anyone else can basically get away
Speaker 1: with killing them and say I don't like what he
Speaker 1: said to me. I was scared. I feared for my
Speaker 1: life because I don't like the look in his eyes.
Speaker 1: I also think the point you raised is a really
Speaker 1: good one. You should not have a knife that is
Speaker 1: capable of murdering somebody with ever at school or at
Speaker 1: school related events. But for ninety nine point.
Speaker 2: Nine percent of people in America, if somebody pulls a knife,
Speaker 2: the dispute is over.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: There are not very many people who are going to
Speaker 2: if you are unarmed and someone holds a knife to you,
Speaker 2: most of us are not gonna be crocodile dundee and
Speaker 2: pull out a bigger knife and be that's not a knife.
Speaker 1: This is a knife, right. Actually, I trained with some
Speaker 1: guys from Ford Bragg who are edge weapons guys back
Speaker 1: in the day. Just a little bit introductory stuff. I'm
Speaker 1: not you know Tommy Lee Jones and The Hunted, which
Speaker 1: is a pretty cool movie for all the knife fighting
Speaker 1: they do if you haven't seen it, but anyway, but
Speaker 1: I did some introductory stuff with them Clay and one
Speaker 1: thing they just said, They're like, you have to understand
Speaker 1: if somebody has a knife and you're you're you're bare handed,
Speaker 1: you're just trying to get out alive, but you're going
Speaker 1: to get cut, You're going to get stabbed, and you
Speaker 1: know you're in a you're in a lot of trouble.
Speaker 1: If somebody has a knife and they know what they're doing,
Speaker 1: you're gonna die. Like you you're basically the disadvantage is
Speaker 1: much stronger than people. Everyone sees these things in the movies.
Speaker 1: Were like they catch someone's wrists when they're about to
Speaker 1: get stabbed, and then they go like karate chop, karate chop.
Speaker 1: That's not how it works. I've seen videos of teams
Speaker 1: swat teams in a stack coming in and a guy
Speaker 1: has a knife and he's able to stab. You know,
Speaker 1: they do this. It's training, right, but they'll show on
Speaker 1: video he's able to get like two or three karate
Speaker 1: strikes on these guys before they could even shoot him.
Speaker 1: And that's and so this is what people don't realize,
Speaker 1: Like a knife is a far more lethal tool than
Speaker 1: most people understand. And to stab somebody in the heart,
Speaker 1: that's not I mean that is that he went for
Speaker 1: effectively a kill shot right off the bat.
Speaker 2: And you may have seen some of the data on this,
Speaker 2: many people stabbing someone with a knife. We talked about
Speaker 2: this in the context of the Idaho murders, right the
Speaker 2: allegation about the girls who were all sliced up and
Speaker 2: everything else. It is for many people a far more violent, personal, deadly,
Speaker 2: and sociopathic in many ways way to kill someone than
Speaker 2: the remote nature of a gun. And I'll give you
Speaker 2: an example historically, Buck, You know, in the Civil War,
Speaker 2: every musket by and large had a bayonet, but actual
Speaker 2: hand to hand and bayonet fighting was very rare in
Speaker 2: the war by and large because it was seen as
Speaker 2: so much more violent and brutal and nasty to be
Speaker 2: trying to stab someone with a sharpened bayonet on the
Speaker 2: end of your rifle than to stand and shoot at
Speaker 2: people from a distance. In other words, this is a
Speaker 2: particularly violent choice that this seventeen year old made, and
Speaker 2: for him to be being rewarded for it and for
Speaker 2: it to be largely ignored in the national consciousness is
Speaker 2: I think, just the sign of our inability to distinguish
Speaker 2: good and evil.
Speaker 1: Something else that I would just say, because this is
Speaker 1: obviously already playing out so much in the press, so
Speaker 1: it's not like they're holding back. There's not some big
Speaker 1: reveal that's coming about facts. We don't know if there
Speaker 1: was some relevant basis for the self defense claim, like oh,
Speaker 1: I thought he said he had a gun and he
Speaker 1: reached for it, which there's nothing like that at all.
Speaker 1: But if there was something like that, you already know, yes,
Speaker 1: because they would want that out there because they know
Speaker 1: a jury pool is going to be formed and they
Speaker 1: would want you know, there is this kid was in
Speaker 1: the wrong place, Anthony, he was in the wrong place,
Speaker 1: and this kid, you know, it's sports people get a
Speaker 1: little you know, Clay, you know all about this. People
Speaker 1: can get a little riled up about their sports teams
Speaker 1: or whatever. And he's like, hey, you're in the wrong place.
Speaker 1: They exchanged some words and then he says well, he
Speaker 1: like grabbed his backpack or something. I think that's my
Speaker 1: understanding of how this went down. And someone grabbing your backpack. Again,
Speaker 1: the context matters. This isn't a dark alley with two people.
Speaker 1: These are two people who are rival high schools. There's parents,
Speaker 1: there's adults around, there's security there, They're in broad daylight,
Speaker 1: there in public. There is no reasonable basis for believing
Speaker 1: that your life is in jeopardy and you need to
Speaker 1: kill somebody with the knife that you kept in your
Speaker 1: back I would also throw this out there. Is it
Speaker 1: legal to have a knife on school rounds like this? No,
Speaker 1: of course not. So he's got an I llegal weapon. Everybody,
Speaker 1: how about we how about why haven't you heard that more?
Speaker 1: Why haven't you heard more that Anthony Carmelo Anthony was
Speaker 1: carrying an illegal weapon? You think you think that wouldn't
Speaker 1: come up if this was a little bit different. I
Speaker 1: remember because some of you called in about what about Rittenhouse?
Speaker 1: And we could talk about that all day because I
Speaker 1: actually know uh Richie McGinnis who was there and eye
Speaker 1: witnessed and had to testify about it. And the guy
Speaker 1: that kind of the the guy that Kyle Rittenhouse shot
Speaker 1: attacked him, and one of them had a gun in
Speaker 1: his hand when he was shot. Okay, so this is
Speaker 1: not even vaguely comparable situation. But the Democrats were all saying, well,
Speaker 1: he took a gun and maybe he crossed state lines
Speaker 1: with it. So it's like, well, he's he was allowed
Speaker 1: to have a rifle in Wisconsin, but if he took
Speaker 1: it from Michigan and crossed state lines with it, maybe
Speaker 1: that Because they were desperate to make it seem like
Speaker 1: it was illegal for him to have the gun, that
Speaker 1: was the whole game.
Speaker 2: And also they looked like he was crossing state lines
Speaker 2: with a weapon to try to kill someone, even though
Speaker 2: it was just a suburb and it's like he lived
Speaker 2: ten minutes from the state line or whatever. For people
Speaker 2: who live close to a state border, crossing state lines
Speaker 2: is not actually that big.
Speaker 1: Of a deal in many of your lives. This is
Speaker 1: what I mean, all of a sudden they became you know,
Speaker 1: legal formalists and like extremely detailed about any possible violation
Speaker 1: when it came to kyle rittenhouse. But this kid's carrying
Speaker 1: a knife long enough to kill somebody. That's also a thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, you really, you know, I mean I could
Speaker 1: get into this, but there's actually a length of blade
Speaker 1: that is able to puncture places that can puncture and
Speaker 1: kill somebody. I mean, you can get into some of
Speaker 1: the specifics of this. I'm sure some of you from
Speaker 1: the military side have edged weapons training, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. There's a length of blade that makes it.
Speaker 1: You know, if you have a basically, if you have
Speaker 1: a two inch Swiss army knife, yeah, I mean, you
Speaker 1: could stab somebody with it, and you could do harm,
Speaker 1: but it's very very hard to you know, to puncture
Speaker 1: the sternum, very very hard to get into the subclavial
Speaker 1: artery and the you know, kind of the neck stern
Speaker 1: oclido mastoid region. It's very hard to do that. Do
Speaker 1: you have a knife that's long and if it's actually
Speaker 1: not hard to do that at all? And this kid
Speaker 1: clearly did.
Speaker 2: And I just come back to if you truly were
Speaker 2: worried about the situation, the minute you pull the knife out,
Speaker 2: everybody's done right nine Unless you are Jason Bourne. People
Speaker 2: are not trying to disarm you without a weapon of
Speaker 2: their own. That entire interaction would have been over the
Speaker 2: minute he brandished the knife. If he truly felt threatened.
Speaker 2: Everybody would have been like, whoa dude?
Speaker 1: All right? And then and then everyone walks away alive.
Speaker 1: And this kid maybe is you know, suspended or expelled
Speaker 1: from school and goes before a judge and maybe does
Speaker 1: sixty days in Julie and has told you ever do
Speaker 1: something of this again, you're in big trouble. But you know, no,
Speaker 1: stabbed him in the heart. Stabbed him in the heart.
Speaker 1: You're gonna tell me he didn't know what he was doing.
Speaker 1: Think about the mentality and also this thing too, the
Speaker 1: trying to say, oh, you know, he's he's he's a
Speaker 1: really good kid too. I'm like, you know, guys, please
Speaker 1: all right, Uh, there's been there's been no sense of
Speaker 1: any no sense of remorse Clay from anyone who is
Speaker 1: taking Carmelo Anthony's side and this at all, No sense
Speaker 1: of sadness for the loss of Austin Metcalf, no sense
Speaker 1: of oh my gosh, what now. They're trying to say
Speaker 1: it's a tragedy on both sides. Yeah, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: actually it's a tragedy on one side. It's a criminal
Speaker 1: and a tragedy. It's not the same thing. And I
Speaker 1: mentioned this, I should have circled back to it. There
Speaker 1: will be wrongful death lawsuits.
Speaker 2: I would imagine if this individual is convicted, or even
Speaker 2: if he is not, the standard of liability is beyond like,
Speaker 2: clearly this guy would be guilty culpable for the monetary
Speaker 2: damages in a wrongful death lawsuit, which is what would happen.
Speaker 2: In a civil context. The standard of proof is much lower.
Speaker 2: So yes, the family could theoretically seize back this home,
Speaker 2: but I would suggest this violates the donation terms to
Speaker 2: be buying a home instead of actually retaining a warrior,
Speaker 2: which is what people were donating for.
Speaker 1: Well, at this point, you know, I think the bigger
Speaker 1: question will be does he does he take this all
Speaker 1: the way to trial? And does he think that he
Speaker 1: can get a jury? You know? Does the defense for
Speaker 1: Anthony think that they can get it? All they needed?
Speaker 1: Clay knows very well, better better than most All you
Speaker 1: need is one person on that jury, right, just says Nope,
Speaker 1: not happening, even if the rest of them say, come on,
Speaker 1: it's obvious hung jury. And then things get messy, you know,
Speaker 1: and then does the state want to retry this? And
Speaker 1: you get into all this stuff. It's not that hard
Speaker 1: and it looks like they're gearing up for that, and
Speaker 1: I just the message that this would send the country
Speaker 1: is terrible in all counts, in all ways, it is
Speaker 1: really really bad. And so it would be even the
Speaker 1: this is what I mean by this, Clay, is even
Speaker 1: the people who are clearly like rooting for for Carmelo
Speaker 1: Anthony in this in this situation, it would be better
Speaker 1: for them too if he actually faces justice and has
Speaker 1: to you know, and has to serve time for this.
Speaker 1: I mean that that is actually better for everyone, every
Speaker 1: better for the country. But we'll see if that ends
Speaker 1: up happening. Look, we were talking a lot about self
Speaker 1: defense here, and you know, I'm a dad now and
Speaker 1: one of the profound things you have. And the dad's
Speaker 1: out there all know this. None of the moms know
Speaker 1: this too. But you have this little being and you
Speaker 1: do anything to protect them, right, and you feel that way.
Speaker 1: You also want to have the means, and that can
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Speaker 1: Just a brief addendum or update to something we mentioned
Speaker 1: in the first hour about how Trump and the White
Speaker 1: House are going after these woke universities, holding them to
Speaker 1: account saying no more free ride on federal tax dollars.
Speaker 1: Trump has now said that he is considering taxing Harvard
Speaker 1: as a political entity, which this goes to show you
Speaker 1: he's not backing down on this at all. I think
Speaker 1: one component of the Trump administration that I really like,
Speaker 1: and I think is very effective and very in the moment.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's a Trump knows what time it
Speaker 1: is strategy, and that is the offense offense offense, meaning
Speaker 1: do things go for things go after the parts of
Speaker 1: this country, whether it's institutions or its deep state, or
Speaker 1: its bureaucracies or whatever. Go after the problems everywhere, all
Speaker 1: at once, with everything that you can lawfully under the constitution.
Speaker 1: A great example this, Clay, the border numbers year every
Speaker 1: year for March have come in and this March there
Speaker 1: were something like seven thousand encounters at the border in
Speaker 1: the entire month. I think the previous year there were
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty seven thousand. So yeah, it can
Speaker 1: be done right. We don't notice we don't spend as
Speaker 1: much time talking about the border on the show. We
Speaker 1: were banging the drums and hitting all the alarms for
Speaker 1: years on this program because we needed to, because of
Speaker 1: how insane it was. I think we were as focused
Speaker 1: on it as absolutely anybody else out there, perhaps more so.
Speaker 1: I think it was one of the primary issues that
Speaker 1: propelled Trump and the Republicans to this enormous victory they
Speaker 1: had in this last election. But Clay, there are still
Speaker 1: there's still a lot to be done, and they're moving
Speaker 1: on all fronts. That then takes me to the deportation
Speaker 1: component of this and how the Democrats have decided that
Speaker 1: this is really this is an area where they want
Speaker 1: to fight, they want to dig in, and it brings
Speaker 1: me to Kilmar Obrago Garcia. Now he is an alleged
Speaker 1: MS thirteen gang member. Stephen Miller has been absolutely en
Speaker 1: fuego on the television talking to people who will listen
Speaker 1: at least about how this is not a close call,
Speaker 1: this is no longer under the authority of any federal
Speaker 1: judge to try to change or overturn. And here is
Speaker 1: a former attorney general of the state of Florida, my
Speaker 1: home state, Pam Bondy, now the US Attorney General, who
Speaker 1: is just saying, look the people that are telling Bukeley,
Speaker 1: the president of Olsalvador, that he has to give this
Speaker 1: guy back, this gang member back. They're living in a
Speaker 1: fantasy world Play one.
Speaker 4: Listening to all these liberal reporters. They keep calling him
Speaker 4: a Maryland man. He's not a Maryland man. He's part
Speaker 4: of a foreign terrorist organization. He's a member of MS thirteen, who,
Speaker 4: as you laid out in your monologue, came to this
Speaker 4: country and committed just gang acts. He was caught, and
Speaker 4: he was Two judges, an immigration judge and an appellate
Speaker 4: judge ruled that he was an MS thirteen member, as
Speaker 4: well as Isa's testimony. Yet his attorneys are saying he's
Speaker 4: not affiliated with a gang. They're wrong, and he has
Speaker 4: no right to be there, and President Bouqueley does not
Speaker 4: want to give him back to the United States, nor
Speaker 4: do we want him.
Speaker 2: Clay, what do you think happens here? It's such an
Speaker 2: interesting question. This is where I put on my lawyer hat.
Speaker 2: I mean, the Supreme Court didn't say that America had
Speaker 2: to bring him back from El Salvador, and Bouquelea yesterday
Speaker 2: said why would I return this individual to the United States.
Speaker 2: There now are reports which are crazy that I believe
Speaker 2: the senator from one of the senators from Maryland at least,
Speaker 2: is saying I'm going to travel to El Salvador to
Speaker 2: make sure this guy's okay.
Speaker 1: He's an illegal.
Speaker 2: I mean, I look at this and I just say,
Speaker 2: this is where Trump has outsmarted many of his critics.
Speaker 1: Do you really think very many people in.
Speaker 2: The United States think that senators should be traveling out
Speaker 2: of our country to make sure that people who had
Speaker 2: no business being here are being held in a manner
Speaker 2: that you find to be acceptable in a foreign country.
Speaker 2: And so I think this is just the reflexively anti
Speaker 2: Trump perspective that has lit the Democrat brand on. I
Speaker 2: unless the court says you have to return this the
Speaker 2: Supreme Court says you have to return this person from
Speaker 2: l Salvador, which I don't think they're gonna do because
Speaker 2: it gets into foreign policy, then I think this story
Speaker 2: is just gonna eventually go away because I don't think
Speaker 2: it's that compelling. I do think it's significant the way
Speaker 2: that Pambondi there says, and you talked about this, in
Speaker 2: the way that they define someone Maryland Dad, Maryland man. No,
Speaker 2: he's an illegal immigrant that had no ability to be
Speaker 2: here and he's been deported. And so the way that
Speaker 2: you decide to classify someone the pictures that you choose
Speaker 2: to use. Remember when they used this was years ago.
Speaker 2: But remember when they would use in the situation down
Speaker 2: and down in Florida, they would often use pictures of
Speaker 2: somebody who's like four or five years older. What was
Speaker 2: the shooting situation, the self defense case in Florida.
Speaker 1: Oh Zimmerman with the von Martin they had they had
Speaker 1: trayvon Martin, they had photos of him and he was
Speaker 1: like twelve with his graduation cap on. He was like
Speaker 1: eighteen years old and one hundred and sixty five pounds.
Speaker 2: And over six feet tall. I mean, he was like
Speaker 2: a big grown man. And they would use photos of
Speaker 2: him when he looked like he was thirteen or fourteen
Speaker 2: years old, the way.
Speaker 1: That you not even he was. He was like eleven,
Speaker 1: he was eleven or twelve. They were using pre pubescent
Speaker 1: photos of an eighteen year old man. They also changed
Speaker 1: the audio tape with somebody at one of the news
Speaker 1: affiliates got fired for they actually edited the tape to
Speaker 1: make Zimmerman seem more racist. That was also clay the
Speaker 1: rise of the White Hispanic conversation. Uh you know if
Speaker 1: his name.
Speaker 2: Same thing happened with Michael Brown in Ferguson, where they
Speaker 2: tried to make it seem like he wasn't in any
Speaker 2: way engaged in violent acts. That story just kind of
Speaker 2: vanished when the Obamabia.
Speaker 1: Was presenting Mike Brown as a gentle scholar that's wearing
Speaker 1: a his every photo of him from the New York
Speaker 1: Times was him in a you know, like a graduation cap,
Speaker 1: looking like he's about to start his MD program somewhere right,
Speaker 1: And the reality was there's a video of him doing
Speaker 1: a strong arm robbery a few minutes before the incident
Speaker 1: with the cop, which is why he got pulled over.
Speaker 1: So he left, he did. He was not wearing his
Speaker 1: cap and gown during the strong arm.
Speaker 2: Robbery, no doubt, and the way that these stories are
Speaker 2: told are significant. Here, By the way, is Caroline Levitt
Speaker 2: just a little bit ag cut thirty. She just did
Speaker 2: an our White House press briefing saying yeah, he's not
Speaker 2: coming back.
Speaker 1: Cut thirty.
Speaker 5: Abrado Garcia was a foreign terrorist. He is an MS
Speaker 5: thirteen gang member, He was engaged in human trafficking. He
Speaker 5: illegally came into our country, and so deporting him back
Speaker 5: to El Salvador was always going to be the end result.
Speaker 5: There is never going to be a world in which
Speaker 5: this is an individual who's going to live a peaceful
Speaker 5: life in Maryland because he is a foreign terrorist and
Speaker 5: an MS thirteen gang member. Not only have we confirmed
Speaker 5: that President Bukelly yesterday and the Oval Office confirmed that
Speaker 5: as well. So he went back to his home country
Speaker 5: where he will face consequences for his gang affiliation and
Speaker 5: his engagement in human trafficking. I'm not sure what is
Speaker 5: so difficult about this for everyone in the media to understand.
Speaker 5: And it's appalling, truly appalling that there has been so
Speaker 5: much time covering this alleged human trafficker and this gang
Speaker 5: member MS thirteen gang member. It's truly striking to me.
Speaker 2: I think what this represents is a flailing attempt to
Speaker 2: find something that sticks. Think about it. In the last
Speaker 2: three or four weeks, what have we heard. The talking
Speaker 2: point was egg prices are out of control. Trump is
Speaker 2: making you pay more for eggs. Well, wholesale egg prices
Speaker 2: are down, and you are going to be paying substantially
Speaker 2: less than you were when Biden was in office, if
Speaker 2: you aren't already very soon. So that story is vanished.
Speaker 2: Stock market last week, Oh my goodness. For the last
Speaker 2: ten days, Oh my goodness, the stock market's going to collapse.
Speaker 2: You're gonna everybody's going to lose all their money. Trump
Speaker 2: has no idea. Well, it's gone right. Sub markets basically
Speaker 2: same price it was in September. That has faded as
Speaker 2: the sort of lack of a movement has declined. Right now,
Speaker 2: the new argument is, oh, Trump's going to deport you, right,
Speaker 2: That's what they're really trying to pivot from. They're trying
Speaker 2: to go from If he can take this Maryland man
Speaker 2: and send him Dell Salvador, why can't he do the
Speaker 2: same thing to you. Well, presumably because you're an American citizen.
Speaker 2: That's why he can't do it. That's the easy answer.
Speaker 2: If you are here illegally and you have a history
Speaker 2: of violent crime, then they can get you and they
Speaker 2: are going to try to deport you. And you should
Speaker 2: think that because I think one story's not being told, Buck.
Speaker 2: I do think a significant number of people are self deporting.
Speaker 2: You know, we talked about how the southern border is
Speaker 2: shut down and there's a limit on how many people
Speaker 2: in any given month that Trump can get out of
Speaker 2: the country. I think if you have a criminal record,
Speaker 2: you may be starting to look at this and say,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, I don't want to end up in
Speaker 2: an El Salvador prison. I'm free and clear and able
Speaker 2: to move around now. I think there are tens of thousands,
Speaker 2: if not hundreds of thousands of people here illegally that
Speaker 2: are seeing what's going on, and they're saying, maybe I
Speaker 2: should just go back to my home country, or at
Speaker 2: least go back somewhere in Latin America.
Speaker 1: And you know, when you dig into this Abrego Garcia case,
Speaker 1: it also is indicative clay of just a scam that
Speaker 1: has been run so many millions, even tens of millions
Speaker 1: of times against this country, with the total assistance of
Speaker 1: ideologues in the judiciary. This guy was arrested back in
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, but a judge said, oh, we can't deport you,
Speaker 1: even though you're an illegal, because he had a fear
Speaker 1: of a credible fear of violence in his home country.
Speaker 1: As we are told, violent gang member was able to
Speaker 1: stay in America because he said, oh man, it's too
Speaker 1: scary for me to go back to El Salvador, and
Speaker 1: a judge bought it. An overrode federal law under this
Speaker 1: withholding from removal order. But as Stephen Miller has pointed
Speaker 1: out his participation in MS thirteen, a foreign designated terrorist
Speaker 1: organization overrides the removal order, which makes perfect sense, right,
Speaker 1: you can't or the withholding removal order. I mean, you
Speaker 1: can't have somebody who's protected from violence who's actually perpetrating
Speaker 1: violence themselves. And the whole thing is just so nuts.
Speaker 1: Democrats just don't want to deport anybody. Clay. That's really
Speaker 1: everything else is really noise. They don't want to deport anybody.
Speaker 1: That makes them feel good about themselves to say everybody
Speaker 1: can stay and everybody can come, and whatever happens to
Speaker 1: the country, we deserve it because of you know, colonialism
Speaker 1: or something. But they actually don't want to deport anyone.
Speaker 2: What I think is wild is how much time we
Speaker 2: spent talking about how wide open the southern border on
Speaker 2: this show and other places the debate. We even have
Speaker 2: a had moron Republicans who were saying, you know what,
Speaker 2: let's go ahead and sign on with the Democrats and
Speaker 2: do a bill in the summer of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: I don't think voters should forget who was willing to
Speaker 2: do that. And Trump and Tom Homan just kept consistently
Speaker 2: saying if you elect US, will shut down the southern border,
Speaker 2: southern borders shut down.
Speaker 1: The story is completely gone.
Speaker 2: There is not even any acknowledgment of the fact that overnight,
Speaker 2: effectively Trump shut down the United States southern border in
Speaker 2: terms of illegal crossings. When have we ever had an
Speaker 2: administration come in saying that they would essentially solve a
Speaker 2: top three concern of the American people and do it
Speaker 2: within sixty days. I can't think of anything else where
Speaker 2: so quickly, something so important to the electorate was by
Speaker 2: the numbers, objectively addressed and solved in the way that
Speaker 2: this has, which I think has wrong foot of the
Speaker 2: Democrats even further with all the all the other stuff
Speaker 2: that got lack of leadership and you know, they're the
Speaker 2: transagenda and the crazy stuff that they all believe Clay,
Speaker 2: the problem is that Trump is keeping his promises, yes,
Speaker 2: and he's doing what he said he would do. And
Speaker 2: so that just drives Democrats even more insane because what
Speaker 2: they were hoping was you'd get a little bit of
Speaker 2: what you had in twenty seventeen, where you had you
Speaker 2: had some swamp creatures saying they were going to drain
Speaker 2: the swamp, and you had some bad picks, and you
Speaker 2: had some you know, some Democrat advisors around Trump. And look,
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it wasn't very good overall, but there
Speaker 2: were some missteps and Trump has admitted those missteps. This
Speaker 2: time around, it's just all systems go, and I think
Speaker 2: that drives them even more insane. I'm not sure you
Speaker 2: can point to anything that was an acknowledged problem, and
Speaker 2: again you can say Democrats didn't really acknowledge it was
Speaker 2: a problem until he got to be election season, but
Speaker 2: that a politician has come into office and eliminated ninety
Speaker 2: five percent of in the first hundred days. Ever, as
Speaker 2: ninety five percent of legal border crossings are gone. Is
Speaker 2: there any other comparable example to a promise made by
Speaker 2: a political candidate that was immediately delivered to this extent
Speaker 2: in the first one hundred days. I think the border
Speaker 2: is one of the greatest success stories in modern American
Speaker 2: political history in terms of what Trump was able to
Speaker 2: do solely without congressional authority, despite the arguments to the
Speaker 2: contrary for years and years.
Speaker 1: Well, and it also has proven that those of us, you, me,
Speaker 1: and all of you who were screaming under Biden's administration,
Speaker 1: they just don't want to enforce the law. This is
Speaker 1: a decision, this isn't there overwhelmed, and they can't fix it.
Speaker 1: They don't want to fix it. We were right because
Speaker 1: Trump fixed it in the blink of an eye, because
Speaker 1: he wanted to. So all those other people were lying
Speaker 1: to you. You know, that's everyone else in the media,
Speaker 1: who's all but the border. It's so complicated. No, Actually,
Speaker 1: if you enforced the law, they stopped coming. Almost like
Speaker 1: with crime Clay, you back police and you take offenders
Speaker 1: and people that are repeat offenders off the street. Everyone
Speaker 1: gets safer, there's less crime. How Democrats don't How the
Speaker 1: Democrat brain cannot seize on these things. Unfortunately, one of
Speaker 1: the great weaknesses of American society these days. They just
Speaker 1: can't they can't learn, they can't figure this stuff out.
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