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Speaker 1: Welcome everybody. Tuesday edition of The Clay Travis end Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show kicks off right now. I am a dad,

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Speaker 1: So now I've got two dads talking to you here

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Speaker 1: on the show. Clay an old, grizzled, grizzled veteran of fatherhood,

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Speaker 1: me gray Beard. I'm a rookie to this fatherhood thing,

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Speaker 1: but I have to tell you I absolutely love it,

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Speaker 1: and I appreciate so much all of the just the

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Speaker 1: kind words and well wishes and everything from the moms

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Speaker 1: and dads out there and everybody who were so kind.

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Speaker 1: As I was out for a few days carry my

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Speaker 1: wife a total trooper, never lost her temper, never was

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Speaker 1: anything other than upbeat during it was pretty long, pretty

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Speaker 1: long time in the hospital, but she was gonna say

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Speaker 1: we got through it. She got through it. I was

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Speaker 1: there for moral support. And the only thing I learned

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Speaker 1: is probably next time, wait until my wife is out

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Speaker 1: of the hospital before I'm like, when can we have more?

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Speaker 1: So I was like, can we do two or three

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Speaker 1: of these? This is awesome? So yes, the baby thing

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Speaker 1: is incredible. And if I seem a little even more

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Speaker 1: upbeat and a bulliont about the future than ever, it's

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Speaker 1: because well, you all, those of you who have had kids,

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Speaker 1: you know exactly what I'm talking about it, and the

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Speaker 1: grandparents out there, you know that you just it just

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Speaker 1: kind of puts you in a frame of mind, in

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Speaker 1: a mood. So everything is great, Carrie's doing fantastically, babies adorable, healthy,

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Speaker 1: Everything is great. Thank you so much, Clay, thank you

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Speaker 1: for rocking out. I was listening when I was out

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Speaker 1: because you know, as one does when you're just sitting

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Speaker 1: around in the hospital. Talk radio is like your salvation

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Speaker 1: when you are stuck in a hospital room for hours,

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Speaker 1: hours and hours on end. So I was listening to

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Speaker 1: the podcasts and stuff, great shows, and I say, we

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Speaker 1: just jump right into it, and if you guys want

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Speaker 1: to talk more, talk more fatherhood ideas or the first

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Speaker 1: few weeks or anything, we can just throw that into

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Speaker 1: the mix as we go. But yes, I'm in kind

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Speaker 1: of a like walking on cloud a cloud nine attitude,

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Speaker 1: as I'm sure you all understanding. It was fantastic, but

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Speaker 1: we got a country to save and we got a

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Speaker 1: lot of things going on as well. So let's just

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Speaker 1: lay out there that we'll discuss this this situation, Clay,

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Speaker 1: of this individual who has been sent the case of

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Speaker 1: Guilmar Abrago Garcia, who has been sent to El Salvador,

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Speaker 1: and now it's in the it's in the courts, and

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Speaker 1: the Libs are saying Trump has to bring him back,

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Speaker 1: and Trump's like, that's foreign policy related to judge can't

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Speaker 1: actually review it, so we'll discuss this. I think it's

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Speaker 1: very interesting. I also threw out an idea on Twitter

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Speaker 1: which I don't think is crazy. Maybe this is crazy,

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Speaker 1: but I don't think this is crazy. Trump Trump International

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Speaker 1: El Salvador. I think it would send such a signal

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Speaker 1: this country is incredibly safe. He's talked about it in Gaza,

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Speaker 1: for Heaven's sakes, which is not incredibly safe. I think

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Speaker 1: that this would send such a signal that great allies

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Speaker 1: of the United States, people that make the right decisions,

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Speaker 1: and I think it's a lovely place. The problem with

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Speaker 1: El Salvador used to be that was the murder capital

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Speaker 1: Now it's the safest country in the Western Hemisphere. So

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Speaker 1: I think time to start putting in some form investment.

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Speaker 1: I think the Trump International or whatever they want to

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Speaker 1: So if anyone has a line into Eric Trump at

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Speaker 1: the Trump organization, I just think it's an interesting idea.

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Speaker 1: But Clay I wanted to start with this one. The

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Speaker 1: Trump let's just say what it is, the Trump War

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Speaker 1: on woe campuses, and Harvard University has found out that

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Speaker 1: Trump administration is going to freeze two billion dollars that

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Speaker 1: had been committed to this. It is tax day today,

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Speaker 1: which we'll talk more about. So, as Clay blearned out

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Speaker 1: to me before the show, I think this is a

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Speaker 1: particularly worthwhile time for us to say, hold on a second.

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Speaker 1: So the government backs the student loans with you know,

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Speaker 1: with no risk to these institutions whatsoever, and so that

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Speaker 1: lets them jack up the tuition endlessly. When my dad

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Speaker 1: went to Harvard Business School, clay and was he was

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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy. But now these schools are eighty grand, seventy five,

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Speaker 1: left wing lunacy factories. I like that Harvard and a

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Speaker 1: not just coming up with this ad hoc. They want

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Speaker 1: to make universities abide by the spirit of not only

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Speaker 1: the Constitution, but the American ethos. This is where Hillsdale

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Speaker 1: College gets it right. And I'm not saying that just

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Speaker 2: But think about this. It is tax day, and I'm

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Speaker 2: sure many of you are, like me, stroking checks that

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Speaker 2: you don't want to stroke to send to a government

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Speaker 2: that you feel is likely to be wasting the money

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Speaker 2: that you are giving them, and that you could spend

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Speaker 2: that money, or save that money, or utilize that money

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Speaker 2: that you earned better than the government could. I am

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Speaker 2: with you. Our tax rates are far too high. Okay,

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Speaker 2: with that being said, colleges right now, colleges.

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Speaker 2: You can correct me on this if I'm wrong, but

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Speaker 2: I think this is pretty much true everywhere they get

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Speaker 2: the American taxpayer. That should end, and we'll talk about

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Speaker 2: that in a moment. But we're giving them property tax

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Speaker 2: subsidies in almost every city and state, and we are

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Speaker 2: giving them tax exemption, meaning that their endowments can grow

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Speaker 2: yours and minds earnings are taxed. If you give them

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Speaker 2: property tax exemptions and you give them not for profit

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Speaker 2: status so they don't have to pay taxes, the taxpayers

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Speaker 2: are already subsidizing colleges and universities to a massive degree.

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Speaker 2: To build on what Buck said, then we all subsidized

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Speaker 2: student loans and try to take the risk from the

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Speaker 2: university itself and place it on the American taxpayer, our government.

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Speaker 2: Why in the world are we also giving them tens

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Speaker 2: any college or university should get any of our taxpayer dollars.

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Speaker 2: I think a subsidy on property taxes and on not

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Speaker 2: for profit status should give them plenty plus their endowments.

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Speaker 2: Let them actually deal with their own cost structure, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there are limits on these things. Right, you

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Speaker 1: think about religious institutions, they are tax exempt, but you

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Speaker 1: that's if the government was funding that, there'd be an issue, right, well,

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Speaker 1: why are universities getting all this money that they can

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Speaker 1: then use to pay salaries, administrative costs, all this other

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Speaker 1: They say it's for research, as if they're all running DARPA,

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Speaker 1: Really important, amazing stuff. I guarantee. If you think there's fraud,

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Speaker 1: waste and abuse in the federal government, just wait until

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Speaker 1: you see what the administrative staffs of universities have turned into.

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Speaker 1: This has been true across education. By the way, my

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Speaker 1: something like administrative headcount. And this is true from nursery

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Speaker 1: I mean meaning people that that's their job. We had

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Speaker 1: And you know the other part of this that I

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Speaker 1: subsidize Harvard has a what's the endowment? Sixty billion dollars

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Speaker 2: I was talking about that yesterday and I meant to

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Speaker 2: right now, because again, the otrageous yes, yes, I mean.

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Speaker 1: This is this is an amazing amount of money that

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Speaker 1: same thing. It's no matter who wins, who loses, doesn't

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Speaker 1: They're not teaching people important stuff. They're teaching people left

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Speaker 2: I just think, at a bare minimum, if you want

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Speaker 2: Harvard has fifty three billion dollars in their endowment. They

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Speaker 2: have Again, it's not like they have to pay a

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Speaker 2: government should be in the business of dictating to colleges

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Speaker 2: exactly what they can do. But if you take our

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Speaker 2: taxpayer dollars, then the government does have a say in

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Speaker 2: what you do. I mean, that's been established for a

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Speaker 2: my constitutional law hat when the government gives you money,

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Speaker 2: they have a right to be involved in the way

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Speaker 2: the biggest solution here as we sit on tax Day

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Speaker 2: is Why are we giving billions of dollars in subsidies,

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Speaker 1: Well, here's how here's how I would would want to

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Speaker 1: that is an outrageous claim under these circumstances. Yes, because

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Speaker 1: what they're doing is they're saying, well, well, Carmelo Anthony

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Speaker 1: had a credible fear or a reasonable fear of his

436
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Speaker 1: own safety and or life, and so he reacted in

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Speaker 1: this way. If this is self defense, anybody who has

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Speaker 1: a crossword with anybody in any high school anywhere across

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Speaker 1: the country can murder that person in cold blood in

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Speaker 1: front of their family members at a crowded event and

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Speaker 1: get away with it. True, And anyone who is donating

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Speaker 1: money to this individual is really donating money to the

443
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Speaker 1: most toxic and cynical and divisive aspects of American politics.

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Speaker 1: I think that they are and society. I think that

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Speaker 1: they are really adding fuel onto the fire here of

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Speaker 1: a lot of discontent and resentment. And let's just be

447
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Speaker 1: honest about this. They've decided that because this kid is black,

448
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Speaker 1: they are going to back him to the greatest degree

449
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Speaker 1: possible while he estab this white kid to death. And

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Speaker 1: you want to ask, why is that? Are they trying

451
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Speaker 1: to Is this supposed to be some kind of a

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Speaker 1: reckoning moment? Are they trying to force some kind of

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Speaker 1: oj situation here where it doesn't matter what he did?

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Speaker 1: I mean, what exactly is the point that they make

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Speaker 1: with all this monetary and public support of this seventeen

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Speaker 1: year old who stabbed another kid to death in front

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Speaker 1: of his dad.

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Speaker 2: I'll go time to kill for a second time today.

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Speaker 2: But can you imagine the reaction if a white kid

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Speaker 2: stabbed a black kid to death that attract me, gets

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Speaker 2: his bail reduced from one million to two hundred and

462
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Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars, raises over four hundred thousand dollars, and

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Speaker 2: buy the family buys a new house with it. It

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Speaker 2: would be the very definition of white privilege everybody.

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Speaker 1: People would be saying that it's a research so of

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Speaker 1: the Ku Klux Klan or something. I mean. They would

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Speaker 1: be saying it's a white supremacist ground swell, that's what

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Speaker 1: the meat, and I don't just mean totally. Media would

469
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Speaker 1: be saying that there would be protest marches. It would

470
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Speaker 1: be everywhere. And I don't begrudge. Producer Ali says, well,

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Speaker 1: how in the world are you going to defend argue

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Speaker 1: self defense?

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Speaker 2: He has no other defense. So again, I've been a

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Speaker 2: criminal defense attorney. I don't begrudge the argument of self defense.

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Speaker 2: When you admit that you stab somebody in the heart

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Speaker 2: with a knife, hold on, there is that applies to

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Speaker 2: the that applies to the lawyer. I'm talking about people

478
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Speaker 2: that are buying this, and so I'm going to give

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Speaker 2: money to.

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Speaker 1: Try to help this this fani. Well, why does Carmelo

481
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Speaker 1: Anthony's family does Carmelo Anthony's family should be, you know,

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Speaker 1: begging for forgiveness and saying we're sorry that our son

483
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Speaker 1: murdered somebody for no reason.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he has no defense. So the only defense he

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Speaker 2: has is self defense. So yes, that's the legal that

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Speaker 2: makes sense, that's the old that's the war, your job.

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Speaker 2: That's the only defense he has. But why would anybody

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Speaker 2: else buy into that? And how in the world do

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Speaker 2: you reward.

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Speaker 1: The family who has failed.

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Speaker 2: Look, if you're seventeen year old, white, black, Asian or

492
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Speaker 2: Hispanic stabs another kid to death at a school event,

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Speaker 2: you failed as a parent in some way. I'm sorry

494
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Speaker 2: you did. So the idea that the parent would be rewarded.

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Speaker 2: You can't tell me that the kid took a knife

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Speaker 2: to school if you aren't taking knives to school. This

497
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Speaker 2: goes for anybody out there, your kids, your grandkids. Something's wrong.

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Speaker 2: I told my kids this recently. I said, hey, I

499
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Speaker 2: understand that people have guns. If you're a high school

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Speaker 2: kid and you find yourself out with other high school

501
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Speaker 2: kids who have loaded weapons, You've made a very poor decision.

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Speaker 2: You need to extricate yourself from that situation. If you

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Speaker 2: find your taking knives that could be used to stab

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Speaker 2: someone to death to school, you have failed in some

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Speaker 2: way as a parent to allow that situation to occur.

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Speaker 1: And so I really yeah, I agree with a lot

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Speaker 1: of course, but who's donating to this? Like the really

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Speaker 1: really think what is the mentality? Why are you giving

509
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Speaker 1: money to this day he has been assigned for trying

510
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Speaker 1: to give.

511
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Speaker 2: Thousand dollars, not even just donating, donating tons of money?

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Speaker 1: This is what I mean. Who is giving money for this?

513
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Speaker 1: And and what is the mentality behind that? You would

514
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Speaker 1: have to but to truly believe this was a self

515
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Speaker 1: defense case, you would have to be such a moron

516
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Speaker 1: that you can't spell self defense. There's just no way,

517
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Speaker 1: it's not possible.

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Speaker 2: I think it's identity politics. I think it's purely Hey,

519
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Speaker 2: this is a black kid who killed a white kid.

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Speaker 2: I would bet if you go and look at the donors,

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Speaker 2: I think a large majority of them would be white

522
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Speaker 2: liberals who are whose brains are broken. And I think

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Speaker 2: black people who are buying into the idea that because

524
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Speaker 2: this black kid stabbed a white kid, that he is

525
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Speaker 2: somehow the victim and he's being cashiered by the media

526
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Speaker 2: and attacked unfairly. So I think if you went and looked,

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Speaker 2: I think this is the other thing.

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Speaker 1: Buck.

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Speaker 2: I think this would be ninety five percent Kamala Harris

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Speaker 2: voters right, if they voted at all. Definitely define Democrats

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Speaker 2: who aren't don't take the money one hundred percent. But

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Speaker 2: I mean when you when you think about again, I

533
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Speaker 2: just the mentality of somebody. So is it for some

534
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Speaker 2: of these individuals, it's you know, there's like guilty white liberals,

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Speaker 2: you know, guilty conscience white liberals who think, I'm just

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Speaker 2: going to help this young black kid because he made

537
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Speaker 2: like a mistake and I don't want his whole life,

538
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Speaker 2: so they're going to write a check even though he

539
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 2: murdered somebody or allegedly murdered somebody. Right, And and then you,

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Speaker 2: I guess you have members of the black community who

541
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Speaker 2: are just deciding, well, he's black, so I'm going to

542
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Speaker 2: stand with him in this. But to that, I just

543
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Speaker 2: want to say, why would you stand with this black

544
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Speaker 2: murderer and.

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Speaker 1: Not any of the others. You see him, like, well,

546
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Speaker 1: why are you picking this because it's a high level

547
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Speaker 1: case where he killed a white guy? Like, what message

548
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: are people trying to send? I think the message of

549
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: racial division. Here's another question, and I think answer that

550
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 1: makes this story. Again, I hate that this is a story,

551
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Speaker 1: but I do think it is a snapshot of the

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Speaker 1: world in which we live for some people. If he

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Speaker 1: had stabbed a black kid, which is far more common, right,

554
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: most victims of racial violence are the same race. If

555
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Speaker 1: he had stabbed a black kid to death, same exact situation,

556
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Speaker 1: but the kid's black, not one person by and large

557
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: would have heard about it. Nobody would have raised money

558
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: for him. I doubt they would have dropped his veil.

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Speaker 1: I bet that it would have barely made local Dallas news.

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Speaker 2: It certainly wouldn't have become a national story. White kids' lives,

561
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Speaker 2: in the eyes of the media, are worthy of cover

562
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 2: when they are taken violently in a situation like this.

563
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 2: It's happened so regularly to young black men that if

564
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Speaker 2: a young black man kills another young black man, it's

565
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Speaker 2: barely a blip on the national radar. The only reason

566
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Speaker 2: this is a story is because there was race involved.

567
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 2: If it's black on black crime, not a story at all.

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Speaker 2: That's the other part of this. And nobody donates to

569
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Speaker 2: the guy of the four hundred thousand dollars buck. I

570
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 2: bet he wouldn't have been able to raise four thousand

571
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 2: dollars if he had stabbed another black kid to death.

572
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Speaker 2: Think about the poison that will be injected into the

573
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Speaker 2: veins of the American populace if this kid is either

574
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Speaker 2: hung jury or gets off, which you can't discount as

575
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Speaker 2: a possibility. All you need jury. Don't know what the

576
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Speaker 2: jury or jury is going, It just needs one.

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Speaker 1: Right And now we've seen is there's a movement to

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Speaker 1: make this kid into some kind of a victim. The

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Speaker 1: facts are not in dispute, Okay, I don't at an event,

580
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Speaker 1: at a high school event where there's people everywhere, you

581
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: don't get to just pull a knife out and stab

582
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Speaker 1: somebody in By the way, I've said this to friends

583
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: of mine too, Clay, because this does matter. You know,

584
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Speaker 1: you can pull a knife out, and it's a bad

585
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,719
Speaker 1: thing to do, obviously, But if you pull a knife out,

586
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: you know, you slash somebody on the arm. You know

587
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: you you you kind of you know, you go like hey, buddy,

588
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: like the next one.

589
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 2: For most people, if you pull a knife out, it

590
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 2: ends the entire compensation without you even having to wave

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Speaker 2: it anywhere.

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Speaker 1: People are like, dude, stab somebody in the heart is

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Speaker 1: to go for intentional legal force right away when you're

594
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Speaker 1: under no threat. It is vicious, It is barbarous. And

595
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: this kid should spend the rest of his life in prison.

596
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I know the Supreme Courts that he's not eighteen,

597
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: so they won't. You know, you can't go beyond life

598
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: in prison. But the fact that people are raising money

599
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: for this is it's just it's just appalling.

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Speaker 2: How about dropping the bail. Why isn't the bail getting

601
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 2: dropped from a million two hundred and fifty. Oh, you

602
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 2: have to pay his twenty five k to get out

603
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 2: of prison after you stab somebody to death.

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Speaker 1: That seems wild to me. How do you think if

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Speaker 1: you're if you're a J six defendant who walked into

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Speaker 1: the Capitol building for like three minutes and took a

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Speaker 1: selfie and you were denied a trial for over a

608
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Speaker 1: year while you sat in solitary confinement in DC, how

609
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: would you look at this. I know it's all the

610
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: federal versus state, Yeah, but it's all our justice system.

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Speaker 1: Does that seem fair to anybody? Look, we're having this

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Speaker 1: conversation and I think it's an important moment to just

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Speaker 1: defense is the big thing. And if you have to

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Speaker 1: defend yourself, especially in a state like California or New York,

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Speaker 2: A lot of people rolling in with reactions to the story,

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Speaker 2: and again I think from down in Texas, the stabbing

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Speaker 2: family buying a brand new home. Let me tell you something, Buck,

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Speaker 2: four hundred thousand dollars gets you a really good home

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Speaker 2: in many parts of Texas. That is not even just

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Speaker 2: a a a that's a really good home that they're

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Speaker 2: buying off legal defense fund donations. Now, I question whether

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Speaker 2: that's legal because if you're raising money under the auspices of, hey,

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Speaker 2: we're going to retain really good lawyers who could cost

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Speaker 2: hundreds of thousands of dollars criminal defense attorneys could, and

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Speaker 2: then you use the money that you ostensibly were raising

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Speaker 2: for legal defense to buy a home, that seems like

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Speaker 2: a misappropriation of the funds that were raised in the

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Speaker 2: way that they're being used. Paying the bail money. That

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Speaker 2: would be somewhat understandable because it is connected the fact

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Speaker 2: that the bail was dropped from one million to two

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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty thousand dollars is crazy to me. The

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Speaker 2: fact that you can kill someone and get out of

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Speaker 2: prison for twenty five k blows my mind. I don't

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Speaker 2: know the standard dollars that are applied here again for

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Speaker 2: people who don't know, Usually you have to put forward

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Speaker 2: about ten percent of the bail money and the other

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Speaker 2: parts covered. But the fact that that could end up

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Speaker 2: in this situation. Alan Dershowitz Cut twenty nine is saying

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Speaker 2: what we just said, which is and it's interesting because

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Speaker 2: Alan Dershowitz was one of the defense attorneys for OJ Simpson.

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Speaker 2: But he is saying, Hey, if the race dynamics here

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Speaker 2: were reversed, everybody would be talking about it in a

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Speaker 2: totally different way.

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Speaker 1: Here's cut twenty nine.

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Speaker 3: This is all about who the jury is. This will

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Speaker 3: all be determined by the jury. If the racial factors

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Speaker 3: were reversed, if a white man had killed an unarmed

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Speaker 3: black man, everybody would be on the reverse side of this.

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Speaker 3: We live in a society where everything is judged by race.

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Speaker 3: You know, the Bible says to judges and prosecutors don't

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Speaker 3: recognize people just do abstract justice. We're way, way way

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Speaker 3: beyond that. If the racial elements were reversed there, virtually

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Speaker 3: all the people who are calling for him to be

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Speaker 3: acquitted would be calling for him to be a quick

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Speaker 3: convicted and vice versa.

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Speaker 1: Let's not kit ourselves.

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Speaker 3: We live in a race conscious society. And jury selection,

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Speaker 3: which of course you're the guest, is so brilliant that

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Speaker 3: and did so well in the Zimmament cases. Terman, the

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Speaker 3: outcome of this case without a doubt.

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Speaker 2: So he's saying the jury selection, as we kind of

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Speaker 2: hinted at buck, would determine. Now, I don't know what

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Speaker 2: the makeup of jury's in Frisco, Texas typically is, but

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Speaker 2: again I'm just focused on what we know has happened here.

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Speaker 2: Stabbing definitely occurred. Only defense is self defense. That seems

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Speaker 2: very weak to me from a legal perspective. And the

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Speaker 2: family has now bought a new multi hundred thousand dollars

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Speaker 2: home and he's only had to pay twenty five thousand

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Speaker 2: dollars to get out of prison. For this, he is

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Speaker 2: profiting and his family is directly profiting off of murdering

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Speaker 2: in cold blood a completely innocent seventeen year old to

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Speaker 2: attract me and I'll take some of the call. Some

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Speaker 2: people are saying, well, this could be self defense.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Actually it cannot be self defense because there's

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Speaker 1: no reasonable way to explain how a verbal dispute over

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Speaker 1: seats could turn into I have to pull a knife

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Speaker 1: out of my bag and stab you in the heart

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Speaker 1: with it. If that now is the standard of self defense,

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Speaker 1: anybody who doesn't like anyone else can basically get away

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Speaker 1: with killing them and say I don't like what he

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Speaker 1: said to me. I was scared. I feared for my

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Speaker 1: life because I don't like the look in his eyes.

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Speaker 1: I also think the point you raised is a really

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Speaker 1: good one. You should not have a knife that is

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Speaker 1: capable of murdering somebody with ever at school or at

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Speaker 1: school related events. But for ninety nine point.

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Speaker 2: Nine percent of people in America, if somebody pulls a knife,

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Speaker 2: the dispute is over.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: There are not very many people who are going to

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Speaker 2: if you are unarmed and someone holds a knife to you,

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Speaker 2: most of us are not gonna be crocodile dundee and

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Speaker 2: pull out a bigger knife and be that's not a knife.

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Speaker 1: This is a knife, right. Actually, I trained with some

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Speaker 1: guys from Ford Bragg who are edge weapons guys back

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Speaker 1: in the day. Just a little bit introductory stuff. I'm

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Speaker 1: not you know Tommy Lee Jones and The Hunted, which

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Speaker 1: is a pretty cool movie for all the knife fighting

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Speaker 1: they do if you haven't seen it, but anyway, but

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Speaker 1: I did some introductory stuff with them Clay and one

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Speaker 1: thing they just said, They're like, you have to understand

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Speaker 1: if somebody has a knife and you're you're you're bare handed,

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Speaker 1: you're just trying to get out alive, but you're going

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Speaker 1: to get cut, You're going to get stabbed, and you

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Speaker 1: know you're in a you're in a lot of trouble.

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Speaker 1: If somebody has a knife and they know what they're doing,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna die. Like you you're basically the disadvantage is

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Speaker 1: much stronger than people. Everyone sees these things in the movies.

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Speaker 1: Were like they catch someone's wrists when they're about to

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Speaker 1: get stabbed, and then they go like karate chop, karate chop.

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Speaker 1: That's not how it works. I've seen videos of teams

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Speaker 1: swat teams in a stack coming in and a guy

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Speaker 1: has a knife and he's able to stab. You know,

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Speaker 1: they do this. It's training, right, but they'll show on

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Speaker 1: video he's able to get like two or three karate

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Speaker 1: strikes on these guys before they could even shoot him.

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Speaker 1: And that's and so this is what people don't realize,

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Speaker 1: Like a knife is a far more lethal tool than

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Speaker 1: most people understand. And to stab somebody in the heart,

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Speaker 1: that's not I mean that is that he went for

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Speaker 1: effectively a kill shot right off the bat.

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Speaker 2: And you may have seen some of the data on this,

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Speaker 2: many people stabbing someone with a knife. We talked about

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Speaker 2: this in the context of the Idaho murders, right the

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Speaker 2: allegation about the girls who were all sliced up and

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Speaker 2: everything else. It is for many people a far more violent, personal, deadly,

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Speaker 2: and sociopathic in many ways way to kill someone than

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Speaker 2: the remote nature of a gun. And I'll give you

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Speaker 2: an example historically, Buck, You know, in the Civil War,

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Speaker 2: every musket by and large had a bayonet, but actual

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Speaker 2: hand to hand and bayonet fighting was very rare in

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Speaker 2: the war by and large because it was seen as

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Speaker 2: so much more violent and brutal and nasty to be

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Speaker 2: trying to stab someone with a sharpened bayonet on the

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Speaker 2: end of your rifle than to stand and shoot at

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Speaker 2: people from a distance. In other words, this is a

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Speaker 2: particularly violent choice that this seventeen year old made, and

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Speaker 2: for him to be being rewarded for it and for

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Speaker 2: it to be largely ignored in the national consciousness is

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Speaker 2: I think, just the sign of our inability to distinguish

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Speaker 2: good and evil.

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Speaker 1: Something else that I would just say, because this is

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Speaker 1: obviously already playing out so much in the press, so

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Speaker 1: it's not like they're holding back. There's not some big

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Speaker 1: reveal that's coming about facts. We don't know if there

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Speaker 1: was some relevant basis for the self defense claim, like oh,

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Speaker 1: I thought he said he had a gun and he

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Speaker 1: reached for it, which there's nothing like that at all.

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Speaker 1: But if there was something like that, you already know, yes,

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Speaker 1: because they would want that out there because they know

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Speaker 1: a jury pool is going to be formed and they

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Speaker 1: would want you know, there is this kid was in

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Speaker 1: the wrong place, Anthony, he was in the wrong place,

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Speaker 1: and this kid, you know, it's sports people get a

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Speaker 1: little you know, Clay, you know all about this. People

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Speaker 1: can get a little riled up about their sports teams

797
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Speaker 1: or whatever. And he's like, hey, you're in the wrong place.

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Speaker 1: They exchanged some words and then he says well, he

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Speaker 1: like grabbed his backpack or something. I think that's my

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Speaker 1: understanding of how this went down. And someone grabbing your backpack. Again,

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Speaker 1: the context matters. This isn't a dark alley with two people.

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Speaker 1: These are two people who are rival high schools. There's parents,

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Speaker 1: there's adults around, there's security there, They're in broad daylight,

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Speaker 1: there in public. There is no reasonable basis for believing

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Speaker 1: that your life is in jeopardy and you need to

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Speaker 1: kill somebody with the knife that you kept in your

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Speaker 1: back I would also throw this out there. Is it

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Speaker 1: legal to have a knife on school rounds like this? No,

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Speaker 1: of course not. So he's got an I llegal weapon. Everybody,

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Speaker 1: how about we how about why haven't you heard that more?

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Speaker 1: Why haven't you heard more that Anthony Carmelo Anthony was

812
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Speaker 1: carrying an illegal weapon? You think you think that wouldn't

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Speaker 1: come up if this was a little bit different. I

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Speaker 1: remember because some of you called in about what about Rittenhouse?

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Speaker 1: And we could talk about that all day because I

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Speaker 1: actually know uh Richie McGinnis who was there and eye

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Speaker 1: witnessed and had to testify about it. And the guy

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Speaker 1: that kind of the the guy that Kyle Rittenhouse shot

819
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Speaker 1: attacked him, and one of them had a gun in

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Speaker 1: his hand when he was shot. Okay, so this is

821
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Speaker 1: not even vaguely comparable situation. But the Democrats were all saying, well,

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Speaker 1: he took a gun and maybe he crossed state lines

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Speaker 1: with it. So it's like, well, he's he was allowed

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Speaker 1: to have a rifle in Wisconsin, but if he took

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Speaker 1: it from Michigan and crossed state lines with it, maybe

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Speaker 1: that Because they were desperate to make it seem like

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Speaker 1: it was illegal for him to have the gun, that

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Speaker 1: was the whole game.

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Speaker 2: And also they looked like he was crossing state lines

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Speaker 2: with a weapon to try to kill someone, even though

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Speaker 2: it was just a suburb and it's like he lived

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Speaker 2: ten minutes from the state line or whatever. For people

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Speaker 2: who live close to a state border, crossing state lines

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Speaker 2: is not actually that big.

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Speaker 1: Of a deal in many of your lives. This is

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Speaker 1: what I mean, all of a sudden they became you know,

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Speaker 1: legal formalists and like extremely detailed about any possible violation

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Speaker 1: when it came to kyle rittenhouse. But this kid's carrying

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Speaker 1: a knife long enough to kill somebody. That's also a thing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you really, you know, I mean I could

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Speaker 1: get into this, but there's actually a length of blade

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Speaker 1: that is able to puncture places that can puncture and

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Speaker 1: kill somebody. I mean, you can get into some of

844
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Speaker 1: the specifics of this. I'm sure some of you from

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Speaker 1: the military side have edged weapons training, you know what

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about. There's a length of blade that makes it.

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Speaker 1: You know, if you have a basically, if you have

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Speaker 1: a two inch Swiss army knife, yeah, I mean, you

849
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Speaker 1: could stab somebody with it, and you could do harm,

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Speaker 1: but it's very very hard to you know, to puncture

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Speaker 1: the sternum, very very hard to get into the subclavial

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Speaker 1: artery and the you know, kind of the neck stern

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Speaker 1: oclido mastoid region. It's very hard to do that. Do

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Speaker 1: you have a knife that's long and if it's actually

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Speaker 1: not hard to do that at all? And this kid

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Speaker 1: clearly did.

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Speaker 2: And I just come back to if you truly were

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Speaker 2: worried about the situation, the minute you pull the knife out,

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Speaker 2: everybody's done right nine Unless you are Jason Bourne. People

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Speaker 2: are not trying to disarm you without a weapon of

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Speaker 2: their own. That entire interaction would have been over the

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Speaker 2: minute he brandished the knife. If he truly felt threatened.

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Speaker 2: Everybody would have been like, whoa dude?

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Speaker 1: All right? And then and then everyone walks away alive.

865
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: And this kid maybe is you know, suspended or expelled

866
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: from school and goes before a judge and maybe does

867
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 1: sixty days in Julie and has told you ever do

868
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: something of this again, you're in big trouble. But you know, no,

869
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: stabbed him in the heart. Stabbed him in the heart.

870
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: You're gonna tell me he didn't know what he was doing.

871
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 1: Think about the mentality and also this thing too, the

872
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: trying to say, oh, you know, he's he's he's a

873
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,800
Speaker 1: really good kid too. I'm like, you know, guys, please

874
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,760
Speaker 1: all right, Uh, there's been there's been no sense of

875
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: any no sense of remorse Clay from anyone who is

876
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,959
Speaker 1: taking Carmelo Anthony's side and this at all, No sense

877
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 1: of sadness for the loss of Austin Metcalf, no sense

878
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: of oh my gosh, what now. They're trying to say

879
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: it's a tragedy on both sides. Yeah, no, no, no,

880
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,240
Speaker 1: actually it's a tragedy on one side. It's a criminal

881
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 1: and a tragedy. It's not the same thing. And I

882
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 1: mentioned this, I should have circled back to it. There

883
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: will be wrongful death lawsuits.

884
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 2: I would imagine if this individual is convicted, or even

885
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 2: if he is not, the standard of liability is beyond like,

886
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 2: clearly this guy would be guilty culpable for the monetary

887
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 2: damages in a wrongful death lawsuit, which is what would happen.

888
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 2: In a civil context. The standard of proof is much lower.

889
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 2: So yes, the family could theoretically seize back this home,

890
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 2: but I would suggest this violates the donation terms to

891
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 2: be buying a home instead of actually retaining a warrior,

892
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,399
Speaker 2: which is what people were donating for.

893
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: Well, at this point, you know, I think the bigger

894
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 1: question will be does he does he take this all

895
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: the way to trial? And does he think that he

896
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 1: can get a jury? You know? Does the defense for

897
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: Anthony think that they can get it? All they needed?

898
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 1: Clay knows very well, better better than most All you

899
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: need is one person on that jury, right, just says Nope,

900
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: not happening, even if the rest of them say, come on,

901
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: it's obvious hung jury. And then things get messy, you know,

902
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: and then does the state want to retry this? And

903
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,720
Speaker 1: you get into all this stuff. It's not that hard

904
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: and it looks like they're gearing up for that, and

905
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: I just the message that this would send the country

906
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: is terrible in all counts, in all ways, it is

907
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: really really bad. And so it would be even the

908
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: this is what I mean by this, Clay, is even

909
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: the people who are clearly like rooting for for Carmelo

910
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: Anthony in this in this situation, it would be better

911
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: for them too if he actually faces justice and has

912
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: to you know, and has to serve time for this.

913
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,399
Speaker 1: I mean that that is actually better for everyone, every

914
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,399
Speaker 1: better for the country. But we'll see if that ends

915
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: up happening. Look, we were talking a lot about self

916
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: defense here, and you know, I'm a dad now and

917
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: one of the profound things you have. And the dad's

918
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 1: out there all know this. None of the moms know

919
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 1: this too. But you have this little being and you

920
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: do anything to protect them, right, and you feel that way.

921
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,280
Speaker 1: You also want to have the means, and that can

922
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 1: involve force escalation. And look at how important we're talking

923
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Speaker 1: about a story where there was no force escalation and

924
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Speaker 1: you know, somebody used a weapon the wrong way. I

925
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Speaker 1: want you to be able to defend yourselves in the

926
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927
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Speaker 1: safe but not have to make that decision about lethality

928
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Speaker 1: right away. And a lot of people are just more

929
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Speaker 1: comfortable with this and they know that in so many

930
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Speaker 1: situations it will be more than sufficient. And this is

931
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933
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934
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936
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Speaker 1: And Carrie feels more comfortable to Saber products. And if

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942
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Speaker 1: I have trained with this thing out there on the range.

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Speaker 1: Just a brief addendum or update to something we mentioned

958
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 1: in the first hour about how Trump and the White

959
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: House are going after these woke universities, holding them to

960
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 1: account saying no more free ride on federal tax dollars.

961
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,760
Speaker 1: Trump has now said that he is considering taxing Harvard

962
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: as a political entity, which this goes to show you

963
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,439
Speaker 1: he's not backing down on this at all. I think

964
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 1: one component of the Trump administration that I really like,

965
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 1: and I think is very effective and very in the moment.

966
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's a Trump knows what time it

967
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 1: is strategy, and that is the offense offense offense, meaning

968
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: do things go for things go after the parts of

969
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 1: this country, whether it's institutions or its deep state, or

970
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 1: its bureaucracies or whatever. Go after the problems everywhere, all

971
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: at once, with everything that you can lawfully under the constitution.

972
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: A great example this, Clay, the border numbers year every

973
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 1: year for March have come in and this March there

974
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: were something like seven thousand encounters at the border in

975
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: the entire month. I think the previous year there were

976
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty seven thousand. So yeah, it can

977
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 1: be done right. We don't notice we don't spend as

978
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 1: much time talking about the border on the show. We

979
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: were banging the drums and hitting all the alarms for

980
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: years on this program because we needed to, because of

981
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: how insane it was. I think we were as focused

982
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,839
Speaker 1: on it as absolutely anybody else out there, perhaps more so.

983
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: I think it was one of the primary issues that

984
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 1: propelled Trump and the Republicans to this enormous victory they

985
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: had in this last election. But Clay, there are still

986
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: there's still a lot to be done, and they're moving

987
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 1: on all fronts. That then takes me to the deportation

988
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 1: component of this and how the Democrats have decided that

989
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 1: this is really this is an area where they want

990
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: to fight, they want to dig in, and it brings

991
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: me to Kilmar Obrago Garcia. Now he is an alleged

992
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 1: MS thirteen gang member. Stephen Miller has been absolutely en

993
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: fuego on the television talking to people who will listen

994
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 1: at least about how this is not a close call,

995
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: this is no longer under the authority of any federal

996
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 1: judge to try to change or overturn. And here is

997
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: a former attorney general of the state of Florida, my

998
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 1: home state, Pam Bondy, now the US Attorney General, who

999
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 1: is just saying, look the people that are telling Bukeley,

1000
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: the president of Olsalvador, that he has to give this

1001
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 1: guy back, this gang member back. They're living in a

1002
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 1: fantasy world Play one.

1003
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 4: Listening to all these liberal reporters. They keep calling him

1004
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:20,919
Speaker 4: a Maryland man. He's not a Maryland man. He's part

1005
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 4: of a foreign terrorist organization. He's a member of MS thirteen, who,

1006
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:27,919
Speaker 4: as you laid out in your monologue, came to this

1007
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 4: country and committed just gang acts. He was caught, and

1008
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 4: he was Two judges, an immigration judge and an appellate

1009
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 4: judge ruled that he was an MS thirteen member, as

1010
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 4: well as Isa's testimony. Yet his attorneys are saying he's

1011
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 4: not affiliated with a gang. They're wrong, and he has

1012
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 4: no right to be there, and President Bouqueley does not

1013
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 4: want to give him back to the United States, nor

1014
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 4: do we want him.

1015
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 2: Clay, what do you think happens here? It's such an

1016
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 2: interesting question. This is where I put on my lawyer hat.

1017
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 2: I mean, the Supreme Court didn't say that America had

1018
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 2: to bring him back from El Salvador, and Bouquelea yesterday

1019
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:15,720
Speaker 2: said why would I return this individual to the United States.

1020
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:19,800
Speaker 2: There now are reports which are crazy that I believe

1021
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 2: the senator from one of the senators from Maryland at least,

1022
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 2: is saying I'm going to travel to El Salvador to

1023
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 2: make sure this guy's okay.

1024
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: He's an illegal.

1025
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 2: I mean, I look at this and I just say,

1026
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 2: this is where Trump has outsmarted many of his critics.

1027
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:39,399
Speaker 1: Do you really think very many people in.

1028
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 2: The United States think that senators should be traveling out

1029
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,399
Speaker 2: of our country to make sure that people who had

1030
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 2: no business being here are being held in a manner

1031
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,240
Speaker 2: that you find to be acceptable in a foreign country.

1032
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 2: And so I think this is just the reflexively anti

1033
00:54:55,800 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 2: Trump perspective that has lit the Democrat brand on. I

1034
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 2: unless the court says you have to return this the

1035
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,879
Speaker 2: Supreme Court says you have to return this person from

1036
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 2: l Salvador, which I don't think they're gonna do because

1037
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 2: it gets into foreign policy, then I think this story

1038
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 2: is just gonna eventually go away because I don't think

1039
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 2: it's that compelling. I do think it's significant the way

1040
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 2: that Pambondi there says, and you talked about this, in

1041
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 2: the way that they define someone Maryland Dad, Maryland man. No,

1042
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 2: he's an illegal immigrant that had no ability to be

1043
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 2: here and he's been deported. And so the way that

1044
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:42,280
Speaker 2: you decide to classify someone the pictures that you choose

1045
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 2: to use. Remember when they used this was years ago.

1046
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:49,959
Speaker 2: But remember when they would use in the situation down

1047
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 2: and down in Florida, they would often use pictures of

1048
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 2: somebody who's like four or five years older. What was

1049
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:59,760
Speaker 2: the shooting situation, the self defense case in Florida.

1050
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: Oh Zimmerman with the von Martin they had they had

1051
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: trayvon Martin, they had photos of him and he was

1052
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 1: like twelve with his graduation cap on. He was like

1053
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 1: eighteen years old and one hundred and sixty five pounds.

1054
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 2: And over six feet tall. I mean, he was like

1055
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 2: a big grown man. And they would use photos of

1056
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 2: him when he looked like he was thirteen or fourteen

1057
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:20,280
Speaker 2: years old, the way.

1058
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 1: That you not even he was. He was like eleven,

1059
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 1: he was eleven or twelve. They were using pre pubescent

1060
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:27,799
Speaker 1: photos of an eighteen year old man. They also changed

1061
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: the audio tape with somebody at one of the news

1062
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 1: affiliates got fired for they actually edited the tape to

1063
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 1: make Zimmerman seem more racist. That was also clay the

1064
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: rise of the White Hispanic conversation. Uh you know if

1065
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 1: his name.

1066
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,879
Speaker 2: Same thing happened with Michael Brown in Ferguson, where they

1067
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 2: tried to make it seem like he wasn't in any

1068
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 2: way engaged in violent acts. That story just kind of

1069
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 2: vanished when the Obamabia.

1070
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: Was presenting Mike Brown as a gentle scholar that's wearing

1071
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 1: a his every photo of him from the New York

1072
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 1: Times was him in a you know, like a graduation cap,

1073
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 1: looking like he's about to start his MD program somewhere right,

1074
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 1: And the reality was there's a video of him doing

1075
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 1: a strong arm robbery a few minutes before the incident

1076
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 1: with the cop, which is why he got pulled over.

1077
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 1: So he left, he did. He was not wearing his

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Speaker 1: cap and gown during the strong arm.

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Speaker 2: Robbery, no doubt, and the way that these stories are

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Speaker 2: told are significant. Here, By the way, is Caroline Levitt

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Speaker 2: just a little bit ag cut thirty. She just did

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Speaker 2: an our White House press briefing saying yeah, he's not

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Speaker 2: coming back.

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Speaker 1: Cut thirty.

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Speaker 5: Abrado Garcia was a foreign terrorist. He is an MS

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Speaker 5: thirteen gang member, He was engaged in human trafficking. He

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Speaker 5: illegally came into our country, and so deporting him back

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Speaker 5: to El Salvador was always going to be the end result.

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Speaker 5: There is never going to be a world in which

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Speaker 5: this is an individual who's going to live a peaceful

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Speaker 5: life in Maryland because he is a foreign terrorist and

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Speaker 5: an MS thirteen gang member. Not only have we confirmed

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Speaker 5: that President Bukelly yesterday and the Oval Office confirmed that

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Speaker 5: as well. So he went back to his home country

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Speaker 5: where he will face consequences for his gang affiliation and

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Speaker 5: his engagement in human trafficking. I'm not sure what is

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Speaker 5: so difficult about this for everyone in the media to understand.

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Speaker 5: And it's appalling, truly appalling that there has been so

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Speaker 5: much time covering this alleged human trafficker and this gang

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Speaker 5: member MS thirteen gang member. It's truly striking to me.

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Speaker 2: I think what this represents is a flailing attempt to

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Speaker 2: find something that sticks. Think about it. In the last

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Speaker 2: three or four weeks, what have we heard. The talking

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Speaker 2: point was egg prices are out of control. Trump is

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00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 2: making you pay more for eggs. Well, wholesale egg prices

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Speaker 2: are down, and you are going to be paying substantially

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Speaker 2: less than you were when Biden was in office, if

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Speaker 2: you aren't already very soon. So that story is vanished.

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Speaker 2: Stock market last week, Oh my goodness. For the last

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Speaker 2: ten days, Oh my goodness, the stock market's going to collapse.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna everybody's going to lose all their money. Trump

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Speaker 2: has no idea. Well, it's gone right. Sub markets basically

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Speaker 2: same price it was in September. That has faded as

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Speaker 2: the sort of lack of a movement has declined. Right now,

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Speaker 2: the new argument is, oh, Trump's going to deport you, right,

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Speaker 2: That's what they're really trying to pivot from. They're trying

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Speaker 2: to go from If he can take this Maryland man

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Speaker 2: and send him Dell Salvador, why can't he do the

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Speaker 2: same thing to you. Well, presumably because you're an American citizen.

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Speaker 2: That's why he can't do it. That's the easy answer.

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Speaker 2: If you are here illegally and you have a history

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Speaker 2: of violent crime, then they can get you and they

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Speaker 2: are going to try to deport you. And you should

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Speaker 2: think that because I think one story's not being told, Buck.

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Speaker 2: I do think a significant number of people are self deporting.

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Speaker 2: You know, we talked about how the southern border is

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Speaker 2: shut down and there's a limit on how many people

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Speaker 2: in any given month that Trump can get out of

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Speaker 2: the country. I think if you have a criminal record,

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Speaker 2: you may be starting to look at this and say,

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Speaker 2: wait a minute, I don't want to end up in

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Speaker 2: an El Salvador prison. I'm free and clear and able

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Speaker 2: to move around now. I think there are tens of thousands,

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Speaker 2: if not hundreds of thousands of people here illegally that

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Speaker 2: are seeing what's going on, and they're saying, maybe I

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Speaker 2: should just go back to my home country, or at

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Speaker 2: least go back somewhere in Latin America.

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Speaker 1: And you know, when you dig into this Abrego Garcia case,

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Speaker 1: it also is indicative clay of just a scam that

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Speaker 1: has been run so many millions, even tens of millions

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Speaker 1: of times against this country, with the total assistance of

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Speaker 1: ideologues in the judiciary. This guy was arrested back in

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, but a judge said, oh, we can't deport you,

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Speaker 1: even though you're an illegal, because he had a fear

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Speaker 1: of a credible fear of violence in his home country.

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Speaker 1: As we are told, violent gang member was able to

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Speaker 1: stay in America because he said, oh man, it's too

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Speaker 1: scary for me to go back to El Salvador, and

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Speaker 1: a judge bought it. An overrode federal law under this

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Speaker 1: withholding from removal order. But as Stephen Miller has pointed

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Speaker 1: out his participation in MS thirteen, a foreign designated terrorist

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Speaker 1: organization overrides the removal order, which makes perfect sense, right,

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Speaker 1: you can't or the withholding removal order. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: can't have somebody who's protected from violence who's actually perpetrating

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Speaker 1: violence themselves. And the whole thing is just so nuts.

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Speaker 1: Democrats just don't want to deport anybody. Clay. That's really

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Speaker 1: everything else is really noise. They don't want to deport anybody.

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Speaker 1: That makes them feel good about themselves to say everybody

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Speaker 1: can stay and everybody can come, and whatever happens to

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Speaker 1: the country, we deserve it because of you know, colonialism

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Speaker 1: or something. But they actually don't want to deport anyone.

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Speaker 2: What I think is wild is how much time we

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Speaker 2: spent talking about how wide open the southern border on

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Speaker 2: this show and other places the debate. We even have

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Speaker 2: a had moron Republicans who were saying, you know what,

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Speaker 2: let's go ahead and sign on with the Democrats and

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Speaker 2: do a bill in the summer of twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: I don't think voters should forget who was willing to

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Speaker 2: do that. And Trump and Tom Homan just kept consistently

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Speaker 2: saying if you elect US, will shut down the southern border,

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Speaker 2: southern borders shut down.

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Speaker 1: The story is completely gone.

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Speaker 2: There is not even any acknowledgment of the fact that overnight,

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Speaker 2: effectively Trump shut down the United States southern border in

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Speaker 2: terms of illegal crossings. When have we ever had an

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Speaker 2: administration come in saying that they would essentially solve a

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Speaker 2: top three concern of the American people and do it

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Speaker 2: within sixty days. I can't think of anything else where

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Speaker 2: so quickly, something so important to the electorate was by

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Speaker 2: the numbers, objectively addressed and solved in the way that

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Speaker 2: this has, which I think has wrong foot of the

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Speaker 2: Democrats even further with all the all the other stuff

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Speaker 2: that got lack of leadership and you know, they're the

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Speaker 2: transagenda and the crazy stuff that they all believe Clay,

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Speaker 2: the problem is that Trump is keeping his promises, yes,

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Speaker 2: and he's doing what he said he would do. And

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Speaker 2: so that just drives Democrats even more insane because what

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01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 2: they were hoping was you'd get a little bit of

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Speaker 2: what you had in twenty seventeen, where you had you

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Speaker 2: had some swamp creatures saying they were going to drain

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Speaker 2: the swamp, and you had some bad picks, and you

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Speaker 2: had some you know, some Democrat advisors around Trump. And look,

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying it wasn't very good overall, but there

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01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 2: were some missteps and Trump has admitted those missteps. This

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Speaker 2: time around, it's just all systems go, and I think

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Speaker 2: that drives them even more insane. I'm not sure you

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Speaker 2: can point to anything that was an acknowledged problem, and

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Speaker 2: again you can say Democrats didn't really acknowledge it was

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Speaker 2: a problem until he got to be election season, but

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Speaker 2: that a politician has come into office and eliminated ninety

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Speaker 2: five percent of in the first hundred days. Ever, as

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Speaker 2: ninety five percent of legal border crossings are gone. Is

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Speaker 2: there any other comparable example to a promise made by

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Speaker 2: a political candidate that was immediately delivered to this extent

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Speaker 2: in the first one hundred days. I think the border

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Speaker 2: is one of the greatest success stories in modern American

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Speaker 2: political history in terms of what Trump was able to

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Speaker 2: do solely without congressional authority, despite the arguments to the

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Speaker 2: contrary for years and years.

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Speaker 1: Well, and it also has proven that those of us, you, me,

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Speaker 1: and all of you who were screaming under Biden's administration,

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Speaker 1: they just don't want to enforce the law. This is

1213
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Speaker 1: a decision, this isn't there overwhelmed, and they can't fix it.

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01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 1: They don't want to fix it. We were right because

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Speaker 1: Trump fixed it in the blink of an eye, because

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Speaker 1: he wanted to. So all those other people were lying

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Speaker 1: to you. You know, that's everyone else in the media,

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Speaker 1: who's all but the border. It's so complicated. No, Actually,

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Speaker 1: if you enforced the law, they stopped coming. Almost like

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Speaker 1: with crime Clay, you back police and you take offenders

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Speaker 1: and people that are repeat offenders off the street. Everyone

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Speaker 1: gets safer, there's less crime. How Democrats don't How the

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Speaker 1: Democrat brain cannot seize on these things. Unfortunately, one of

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Speaker 1: the great weaknesses of American society these days. They just

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