WEBVTT - Two Ts Presents: Two Jersey Js: Going Under the Knife

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<v Speaker 1>Hey guys, I'm Jackie, I'm Jen Fessler, and we are

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<v Speaker 1>two Jersey Jays.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, we certainly are.

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<v Speaker 1>We certainly are, and we have got an episode for

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<v Speaker 1>you today, and I have got to ask you something,

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<v Speaker 1>Jennifer Fessler. So we talked about ozembic a few weeks ago,

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<v Speaker 1>about right, and somebody, and I'm not going to say

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<v Speaker 1>any names, somebody implied that you took the easy way

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<v Speaker 1>out and that ozembic users should just get on a

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<v Speaker 1>fucking treadmill. And then this same person last week or

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<v Speaker 1>the week before, was on Instagram showing off the results

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<v Speaker 1>of their Tommy talk.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm wondering your thoughts on that, all right? No,

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<v Speaker 2>I definitely am in tuned to that. I know all

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<v Speaker 2>about what went down there, So what are my thoughts

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<v Speaker 2>on that? So this person got a lot of flak

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<v Speaker 2>for saying, you know, taking nozembic is ridiculous behavior, just

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<v Speaker 2>get on a treadmill, and then getting online and talking

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<v Speaker 2>about and showing pictures of her Tommy tuck, and I

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<v Speaker 2>want to say that Her response was, I tried everything

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<v Speaker 2>before I got a Tommy Tuck. I worked out, I

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<v Speaker 2>worked my ass off, I did everything humanly possible to

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<v Speaker 2>lose the baby wheat and I still had loose skin,

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<v Speaker 2>And so that was what my tummy tuck was about.

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<v Speaker 2>It was about the fact that, you know, because I

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<v Speaker 2>had gone through every possible method to get a tight stomach,

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<v Speaker 2>it was okay, it's okay now that I resorted to

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<v Speaker 2>plastic surgery, which I think is really interesting and obviously, well,

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<v Speaker 2>this episode is we're going to talk about plastic surgery.

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<v Speaker 2>But what is that about, Like this feeling that you

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<v Speaker 2>have to deserve it, right, that you have to exhaust

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<v Speaker 2>all other means possible before you decide to have plastic surgery.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't buy into that, not for a second.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Well, listen, I do not think that I am

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<v Speaker 1>not a proponent of ozenbic for losing just a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of weight. But I don't think it's the easy

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<v Speaker 1>way out. Actually, I think that you deal with a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of unknowns, a lot of people get very sick

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<v Speaker 1>from it. You have to go through many months of

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<v Speaker 1>horrendous nausea. But listen, yeah, been we've gone down this, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So what I'm saying is, though I very strongly feel

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<v Speaker 1>that you do not have to earn your plastic service.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, That's that's sort of like what it came down

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<v Speaker 2>to for me. And this person is not the only

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<v Speaker 2>person who feels that way, right, A lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>feel like, you know, how dare you get a Tommy

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<v Speaker 2>Tuk without diet and exercise first? Why don't you try

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<v Speaker 2>that first? Most people, I think probably do. But how

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<v Speaker 2>about you know, getting getting breast implants. You can't magically

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<v Speaker 2>make your boobs bigger? Is it okay to want bigger boobs?

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<v Speaker 2>It's because it seems that it's fine to want smaller ones. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>If your back hurts and you get plastic surgery because

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<v Speaker 2>you need it, quote unquote, that seems to be way

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<v Speaker 2>more widely acceptable than going the other way. So there's

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<v Speaker 2>just so much stigma around. Yeah, and and that's why

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<v Speaker 2>so many people deny.

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<v Speaker 1>And in the housewise world, do you get a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people who deny having had things done when you

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<v Speaker 1>can look at them and see that they've had things done,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a little ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>But I am very open about my plastic surgery.

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<v Speaker 1>I've actually had nothing on my face, but I've had

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<v Speaker 1>plenty on my body.

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<v Speaker 2>I've had both. But if you had what have I had?

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<v Speaker 2>So I had a Tommy tuck, and I've had light

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<v Speaker 2>bo suction. When I was young, like early twenties, I

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<v Speaker 2>had my boobs done. It's funny because I just wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to lift. They're called tubular breasts, and what does that mean?

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<v Speaker 2>So it meets I always used to say, it looked

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<v Speaker 2>like you had a you had a tube sock and

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<v Speaker 2>you put mine and it looked like you put a

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<v Speaker 2>tennis ball in it. That's what you pass. Yes, And

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<v Speaker 2>they're really really source of embarrassment. Especially as a younger woman.

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<v Speaker 2>Taking off my clothes was just for me really really mortifyed.

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<v Speaker 2>And so when I went in the first time to

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<v Speaker 2>get my boobs done, that was the concern. And the

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<v Speaker 2>doctor at the time said, you don't want all those scars.

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<v Speaker 2>You're a young woman. Just let me put in small

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<v Speaker 2>implants and it will you lift them. What it did

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<v Speaker 2>do was give me larger tubular breasts. Go. So so

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<v Speaker 2>that was not my definitely not my last boob job,

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<v Speaker 2>and I got another one. I don't know, I want

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<v Speaker 2>to say after I got married, and like pretty soon

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<v Speaker 2>after after I'd had my two kids. I had them

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<v Speaker 2>early on, and because I just wanted to lift, they

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<v Speaker 2>were still to me. They were just so embarrassing, and

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<v Speaker 2>so I got another one and the doctor that did

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<v Speaker 2>them it didn't go well and it looked like somebody

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<v Speaker 2>had chewed bubblegum and put them put it on my breath.

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<v Speaker 2>My nipples were just so ridiculous looking. So I had

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<v Speaker 2>a third one. Wow, I know, I had a third

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<v Speaker 2>one that I was very, very pleased with. I felt great.

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<v Speaker 2>And about three years ago I decided I didn't want

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<v Speaker 2>implants anymore, and I now they're gone. So you had four,

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<v Speaker 2>so I have had If you can imagine this, I've

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<v Speaker 2>gone under four times for my boobs. Yes, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of investment in your boots.

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<v Speaker 1>At so Tummy Tucky. You had your face redone and

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<v Speaker 1>I had my face. I had a lower face lift,

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<v Speaker 1>so my neck and when I went in for that.

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<v Speaker 1>I have been just increasingly insecure about my nose. As

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<v Speaker 1>you get older. You guys may or may not know this,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, things change on your face. And my

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<v Speaker 1>nose was just it was just sort of like East

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<v Speaker 1>and West situation going on, and it was I felt like,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe partially due to being on TV, but increasingly insecure

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<v Speaker 1>because it was just looking wider and wider, so I

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<v Speaker 1>had my lower my neck done and then at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time I had a nose job, and I'm thrilled

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<v Speaker 1>with the outcome of both. Well, I had a mommy makeover,

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<v Speaker 1>and the reasons behind that were very loaded. So a

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<v Speaker 1>mommy makeover is the tummy tuck with the breast implants.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I was anorexic from the time I was

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<v Speaker 1>twenty six years old until two years ago, and after

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<v Speaker 1>I had children, so I carried multiples twice. I had

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<v Speaker 1>something called a diastesis, so my abdominal muscles never came

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<v Speaker 1>back together. And because I was kind of emaciated looking,

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<v Speaker 1>my stomach stuck out and so it was only like

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<v Speaker 1>skin and bones and then like a little tummy sticking out,

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<v Speaker 1>and people would ask me all the time if I

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<v Speaker 1>was pregnant, and it would drive me crazy. Also, because

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<v Speaker 1>I had a mental illness surrounding my weight, I could

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<v Speaker 1>not handle the questions and I decided that I needed

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<v Speaker 1>a tummy tuck, even though I weighed like ninety pounds

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<v Speaker 1>soaking ut. So I got a tummy tuck. And also

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<v Speaker 1>I lost all the breast tissue that I had because

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<v Speaker 1>of my anorexia, So I had an a cup, and

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<v Speaker 1>I already didn't feel womanly because I stopped. I haven't

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<v Speaker 1>gotten my period in like thirty years, so I already

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<v Speaker 1>was struggling with that, and I had really low estrogen,

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<v Speaker 1>and now I had no breasts either, and I just

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<v Speaker 1>really wanted to feel like a woman. So I got

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<v Speaker 1>a complete mommy makeover and I had the tummy tuck.

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<v Speaker 1>Is was for me, by and far the most painful.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, Yeah, the reeling bad. I think that

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<v Speaker 1>there are two types, right, the one where you just

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<v Speaker 1>tightened skin, tighten the skin, and then there's the other

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<v Speaker 1>one where they actually pull the muscles back. And wow,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't know that I could do that again.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean the results were fantastic though, so but then curiously,

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<v Speaker 1>so those were my only plastic surgeries. And then when

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<v Speaker 1>I recovered from anorexia and I gained a fair amount

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<v Speaker 1>of weight back, a lot of my breast tissue came back.

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<v Speaker 1>So suddenly these like sea implants that I had turned

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<v Speaker 1>into double d's and so I had just a few

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<v Speaker 1>months ago, I had a breast reduction. I had those

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<v Speaker 1>implants taken out. I had my breast tissue like cleaned out,

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<v Speaker 1>and lifted and then I had little teeny tiny implants

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<v Speaker 1>put in because of Sagi.

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<v Speaker 2>You and I both are so open to talking about it,

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<v Speaker 2>and why not. Well, well, like, I've never had a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of shame around it. I remember on I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>I was trying to be funny, maybe on my fortieth birthday.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't even know what Instagram. It was like all

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<v Speaker 2>Facebook back then, fifteen years ago, and I remember like

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<v Speaker 2>everybody had left me, you know whatever, a very sweet

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<v Speaker 2>message Indianna, you know, thank you guys so much for

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<v Speaker 2>all the birthday wishes. And I also wanted to thank

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<v Speaker 2>doctor X and doctor Y, and like I kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like named the plastic surgeries just in an effort to

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<v Speaker 2>be I guess, funny, self deprecating, and I remember just

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<v Speaker 2>getting so my friends were just blown away that I

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<v Speaker 2>would even say it out loud. But I've never had

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of or any shame around any of this.

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<v Speaker 2>But I know that it, you know, the shame piece,

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<v Speaker 2>it permeates our culture, and there is there are so

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<v Speaker 2>few women I find that just want to fess up

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<v Speaker 2>to what they've had, and I don't even what is

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<v Speaker 2>that about. I don't know. I know so many women

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<v Speaker 2>who I won't admit they had a nose job. Why so,

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<v Speaker 2>I have no idea. I don't know. Is there shame

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<v Speaker 2>around it? I guess maybe they earn. Are you supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to earn your plastic surgery? No, absolutely not.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no way to earn your plastic surgery. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what that's about. That's that's someone battling their own demons.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I don't feel I never did feel

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<v Speaker 2>embarrassed by, you know, doing the things that make me

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<v Speaker 2>feel good about myself and listen, the only thing about

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<v Speaker 2>it is that I do at times feel like it's

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<v Speaker 2>enough gen like with the vanity, there's it's enough with

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<v Speaker 2>you know, looking in the mirror and figuring out, like

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<v Speaker 2>what is the next thing? And I know plastic surgery

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<v Speaker 2>can become addictive, but I don't think it has been

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<v Speaker 2>for me. I've certainly had my fair share of it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't you know, at some point you want

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<v Speaker 2>to maybe stop going under the knife if it's unnecessary

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<v Speaker 2>and unless it's something that's really plaguing you. I do

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<v Speaker 2>feel that people who get a ton of plastic surgery

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<v Speaker 2>and keep getting it over an over again, I think

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<v Speaker 2>that there's something underlying that more than just vanity. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that there's I don't want to say self doubt.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, at what point are you good enough? You know?

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<v Speaker 2>I have a friend recently who said to me in God,

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<v Speaker 2>the old word is becoming so overused on our podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>But as of ozempic and losing muscle and not working out,

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<v Speaker 2>my skin is really really loose. My legs it just

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<v Speaker 2>sort of hangs. And yes, I have started to incorporate squats,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's I don't think it's going to help really

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<v Speaker 2>with the loose skin. And I was just talking to her.

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<v Speaker 2>I was in Florida. I was like, maybe I'll get

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a body lift. She's like, Jin, it's enough already,

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<v Speaker 2>you're fifty five years old.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, there was just a story in the

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<v Speaker 1>in the news about Justine Bateban.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you remember her?

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<v Speaker 1>She was on Family Ties and oh god, I remember

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<v Speaker 1>when she was younger. She was so gorgeous and like

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<v Speaker 1>she does not want to do anything to herself. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's amazing. But I will admit you look

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<v Speaker 1>at the pictures of her and it's a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>jarring because everyone in that world, everyone in the TV world.

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<v Speaker 1>They do their thing. Their skin is tight, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they look a certain way.

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<v Speaker 2>And the thing is, though, no matter what I do,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe Kim Kardashians of the world have enough money to

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<v Speaker 2>look still like they are twenty and probably prettier than

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<v Speaker 2>they were, then there's nothing that I can do that

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<v Speaker 2>is going to have me, you know, looking whatever, twenties, thirties.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm the thrilled if someone said I was forty nine.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm over the moon. But at some point I think

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<v Speaker 2>there is an acceptance right that I can't get back there.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't get back to nor what I want to

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<v Speaker 2>what I look like as such a young person. Justine Bateman,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what that's the natural, that's what she looks like.

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<v Speaker 2>And she yeah, and she feels good about it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that that's so that's so great, because

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know that I would feel that good in

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I can't imagine. I imagine that the whole

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<v Speaker 1>world was telling her like, oh god, you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>really need to do something.

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<v Speaker 2>But she's a beautiful woman. It's the same thing. What

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<v Speaker 2>about going gray. I mean, it's you know, I have

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of friends now that are embracing gray hair. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, my mom went gray.

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<v Speaker 1>She used to color her hair, and then probably in

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<v Speaker 1>her late fifties early sixties, she stopped and she refused

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<v Speaker 1>to do it anymore. And it was very hard for

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<v Speaker 1>me because suddenly my mom looked like an old lady.

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<v Speaker 1>And I had a really hard time with that, and

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<v Speaker 1>I begged her to get her hair colored, and she

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<v Speaker 1>just wouldn't do it anymore. I mean now she just

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<v Speaker 1>looks now, she looks but he thinks about Yes, he

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<v Speaker 1>loves it. Do you think it's about like this is

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<v Speaker 1>getting a little deep up, like mortality, yes, mertality insecurity.

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<v Speaker 1>It's oh, you mean why people would want to have

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<v Speaker 1>gray hair?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I mean looking at your mom or anyone going gray,

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<v Speaker 2>it's somehow it's like march towards death.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, no for me, but I yes, for me. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, why are you letting yourself be old so soon?

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't want her to do that. I wanted a

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<v Speaker 1>young mom.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, isn't interesting. We want to be young.

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<v Speaker 1>Although again I don't really well if she was getting older,

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<v Speaker 1>it would mean that I was getting older and I didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I didn't feel ready for it yet.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, does anyone. How do you embrace that? You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's tricky, like God, bless Justine Bateman. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not there, but I know that there has to

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<v Speaker 2>be a fine line between feeling good and feeling attractive

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<v Speaker 2>and feeling sexy and still feeling like I am a

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<v Speaker 2>mature woman and I don't have to compete with you know,

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<v Speaker 2>my daughter. But it's I think that line is so difficult, right,

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<v Speaker 2>it gets blurred, like when to stop? When is enough enough? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's a lot of insecurities for some women

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<v Speaker 2>that go into I know there were for me a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of insecurities about my body that went into why

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<v Speaker 2>I chose to have blessing surgery. But the reasons why

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<v Speaker 2>I get filler and stuff are not so much insecurities.

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<v Speaker 2>Is keeping up you know? Yeah, I mean I don't

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<v Speaker 2>do a lot of filler. I do do obviously, I

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<v Speaker 2>do both obviously, but I do botox. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like agism is very real, it is aging. Women have

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<v Speaker 2>a very hard time in the society, especially with social media.

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<v Speaker 2>It's terrible the comments I get. Do you get comments?

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<v Speaker 2>I get comments? You look like a man? What's wrong

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<v Speaker 2>with your ears? Actually it's funny because I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, and as you get old, your ears

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<v Speaker 2>get bigger, yes, your ears and your nose keeps growing.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, hmm, should I have had my ears

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<v Speaker 2>pinned like when I went in from it? And again

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<v Speaker 2>then there's the voice like enough Jen, And if I

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<v Speaker 2>get really insecure about it, and it starts to plague me.

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<v Speaker 2>But right now I just think it's funny, Like I

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<v Speaker 2>don't it doesn't bother me when people make those comments,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, It bothers me. It bothers me personally.

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<v Speaker 2>It like I take you know, I don't know, it

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<v Speaker 2>gets inside my head. But also like it bothers me

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<v Speaker 2>that there's this platform for people to just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>tear you to shreds, you know, like keeping up also

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<v Speaker 2>with other housewives, right and I'm a friend of housewife

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<v Speaker 2>and this is just my second year. You know, way

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<v Speaker 2>more about this than I do. But people ask me

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<v Speaker 2>all the time if that's sort of what influenced my

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<v Speaker 2>decision to have plastic surgery, and it's not, honestly, it's

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<v Speaker 2>really not. But for instance, I was watching Ultimate Girls Trip,

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<v Speaker 2>which is the best, by the way, I need to

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<v Speaker 2>watch but anyway, whatever, but I'm watching these women, these

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<v Speaker 2>legacy women, so they're all women of about our age,

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<v Speaker 2>you're a little younger, and they are all running around

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<v Speaker 2>in bathing suits and bikinis, and their bodies are so

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<v Speaker 2>gorgeous and my body does not look like that. And

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<v Speaker 2>they're even older than me, some of them, and they

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<v Speaker 2>just have these ridiculously beautiful bodies. And it got in

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<v Speaker 2>my head while watching it, and I am trying to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to say to myself if it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>make me really feel better and feel good, and if

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<v Speaker 2>it's affecting my life in this negative way, but to

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<v Speaker 2>try to say to myself, when is enough enough? And

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<v Speaker 2>I think probably at this point enough's enough for me. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I have a question for him. Do you think that

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<v Speaker 2>celebrities owe it to the public to admit to what

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<v Speaker 2>they've done. I don't think anybody owes it to anybody

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<v Speaker 2>to admit to what they've done. I think that I

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<v Speaker 2>don't understand why not what about housewives? Because we are

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<v Speaker 2>reality show stars are supposed to be sharing our reality.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I feel like I don't understand why

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<v Speaker 2>anyone would lie about it or deny it. I don't again,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't get the shame in it. But I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think anybody owes anything to anybody in terms of, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>admitting what they've done or having things done or not

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<v Speaker 2>having things done. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I understand that, but I also feel at the same

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<v Speaker 1>time that you're holding yourself out as I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're going to be a public person, then you

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<v Speaker 1>know you're giving this like idea to people that this

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<v Speaker 1>stuff comes naturally to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Like anyone thinks that anymore. Do you think anyone looks

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<v Speaker 2>at I think young girls. Do you think they look

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<v Speaker 2>at the Kardashians and think I think my thirteen year

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<v Speaker 2>old daughter does. Yeah, yeah, I absolutely do.

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<v Speaker 1>I think she looks at all these women and says, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>they're so beautiful, what's wrong with me? And she's gorgeous?

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, I think that she sees her own imperfections.

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<v Speaker 1>Well I don't see any imperfections on her, but she

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<v Speaker 1>sees her own, you know, features that may not look

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<v Speaker 1>like theirs and says, God, I can't wait.

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<v Speaker 2>So I can change it. Their faulters now, and it's all,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what. There are so many questions.

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<v Speaker 1>I've always wanted to ask a plastic surgeon that I

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<v Speaker 1>never had the opportunity to do. I've asked my plastic

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<v Speaker 1>surgeons lots, but really, well there's more. I have so many.

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<v Speaker 1>So today we are having our first guest. I'm very

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<v Speaker 1>excited about that. We're going to have on World Now

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<v Speaker 1>and classic surgeon. His name is doctor Matthew Shulman.

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<v Speaker 2>You know him. I do know him.

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<v Speaker 1>He's never done any work on me, but I've known

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<v Speaker 1>him for a very long time and his reputation is

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<v Speaker 1>stellar and he's got a lot of fans.

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<v Speaker 2>But I've got a million questions for him me too. Hi,

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Sherlmann, Hi, how are you? Thank you so much

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<v Speaker 2>for being here. We have You're so excited and really

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<v Speaker 2>excited arge you. Yeah, we got a lot of questions.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember you were known for your butt lifts. Am

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<v Speaker 2>I wrong?

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<v Speaker 3>You're not wrong? And I'm still known for them.

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<v Speaker 2>So are people still getting those butt lifts?

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that went out. I thought they were getting

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<v Speaker 1>him reversed.

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<v Speaker 3>Now. No, I mean people are still getting it, but

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<v Speaker 3>the trend is definitely a little different. So you hear

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<v Speaker 3>all this thing in the media about how butt lifts

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<v Speaker 3>are out and nobody's getting them. That's not true. What's

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<v Speaker 3>happening is people are just getting them in a different way.

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<v Speaker 3>So they're still doing it, but they're not getting that big, exaggerated,

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<v Speaker 3>overdone result. So they're going for a little bit more natural,

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit more athletic, but they're still doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>So for someone like me who has no ass, what

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<v Speaker 2>does my friend says, say, I have a back with

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<v Speaker 2>a crack? So with that, so you can what kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a butt lift? If let's say someone I'm trying,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking I'm not going to get any more plastic surgery.

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<v Speaker 2>We just spoke about this, but but just for shits

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<v Speaker 2>and giggles, what do you do with something like that?

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<v Speaker 2>If I don't want to a large butt? Can you

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<v Speaker 2>lift the ass? You?

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<v Speaker 3>So, So in terms of the butt, there's sort of

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<v Speaker 3>two things you can do. One is you can lift it,

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<v Speaker 3>which would physically be like removing some skin and pulling

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<v Speaker 3>it up, and that's something that's pretty commonly done for

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<v Speaker 3>people that lose weight and things.

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<v Speaker 2>Can't see you next week? What time do you have

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<v Speaker 2>time for next week? Just let me know two o'clock

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<v Speaker 2>on Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 3>But the other thing is really adding volume. So when

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<v Speaker 3>we say Brazilian butt lift, which means taking fat out

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<v Speaker 3>of one place and putting it in your butt. We're

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<v Speaker 3>not really lifting it, we're just giving the illusion of

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<v Speaker 3>a lift. So in that sense, you would need volume.

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<v Speaker 3>So if someone like you doesn't have any of their

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<v Speaker 3>own fat to donate to themselves, then that procedure is

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<v Speaker 3>not going to work. Some people still will do some implants.

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<v Speaker 3>You still can do butt implants. You know, they're good

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<v Speaker 3>for people that don't have fat, but not always the

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<v Speaker 3>greatest result. Or some people will do some injections. So

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<v Speaker 3>the same stuff people are putting in their face you

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<v Speaker 3>can put in your butt and it works pretty well.

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<v Speaker 3>You just need a lot of it and it doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>last forever.

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<v Speaker 2>Now everybody wants a bigger ass, maybe not a big brasilia,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. But it's constantly changing. How do you

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<v Speaker 2>keep up with that?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, body images and what we look at as

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<v Speaker 3>being like attractive changes like fashion, so you kind of

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<v Speaker 3>to keep up with trends. So, you know, as a

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<v Speaker 3>plastics are going to have to stay in touch with

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<v Speaker 3>what people are looking for. I have to keep up

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<v Speaker 3>with you know, the magazines in the newspapers and reality TV,

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<v Speaker 3>social media, and that's important. So I know what people

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<v Speaker 3>want and also be able to predict what the trends

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<v Speaker 3>are going to be in the future, and we have

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<v Speaker 3>to be able to adapt and change.

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<v Speaker 2>Do people come in with pictures of celebrities and say,

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<v Speaker 2>make me look like her?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? I mean, And I actually encourage people to bring

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<v Speaker 3>in wish pics because it gives me an idea of

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<v Speaker 3>what they want. Because you know, you may come to

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<v Speaker 3>me and say, you know, describe with words what you're

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<v Speaker 3>looking for, and that may need something to you, but

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<v Speaker 3>maybe we're using different words. But when you showed me

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<v Speaker 3>a picture, it's like, ah, now I know what you want.

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<v Speaker 3>The interesting thing is, in the past, people always brought

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<v Speaker 3>celebrities in, but now with social media, people are bringing

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<v Speaker 3>in just you know, unknown insta themes or even just

0:22:45.119 --> 0:22:47.920
<v Speaker 3>pictures they are seeing online. So they're bringing those pictures

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<v Speaker 3>in and I don't know who a lot of these

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<v Speaker 3>people are, but but it doesn't really matter. They're just

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<v Speaker 3>looking you know, that's just what's in there. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>those are just images that they're seeing every day.

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<v Speaker 1>Of people most often ask to look like. There are

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<v Speaker 1>certain know's that people want, or breasts that people want.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what, Really it's really changed. I mean historically,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, when people wanted a butt, they would bring

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<v Speaker 3>in Kim Kardashian. You know, that was kind of like

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<v Speaker 3>the classic what everyone brought in. And you know, for breast,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, Jennifer Aniston was big for was big for

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<v Speaker 3>a while. But it really you know, like I said,

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<v Speaker 3>it's it's less about you know, I'm not seeing those

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<v Speaker 3>same celebrities anymore because I'm just seeing more more Instagram people.

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<v Speaker 2>What are people requesting? Now? What's your most popular procedure?

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm really a body guy. So my specialty is

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<v Speaker 3>blow the neck, So I do a lot of breast tummies, butts, liposuction,

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<v Speaker 3>and so I'm good. I'm still doing a ton of

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<v Speaker 3>mommy makeovers. So I'm getting people that come in that

0:23:49.200 --> 0:23:52.000
<v Speaker 3>have had, you know, multiple children, and they want to

0:23:52.080 --> 0:23:55.520
<v Speaker 3>be rejuvenated and lifted and tightened up. So mommy makeovers

0:23:55.520 --> 0:24:00.719
<v Speaker 3>are still always popular. Butts again are always popular. But

0:24:00.760 --> 0:24:03.600
<v Speaker 3>we're going for a more athletic, a slimmer, a little

0:24:03.600 --> 0:24:07.040
<v Speaker 3>bit more natural look. And the really the hot thing

0:24:07.040 --> 0:24:12.240
<v Speaker 3>that I'm seeing now is cellulite treatment. And cellulite is

0:24:12.280 --> 0:24:14.880
<v Speaker 3>something that everybody has. You know, ninety percent of women

0:24:14.920 --> 0:24:18.600
<v Speaker 3>have cellulite, and historically there's never been a good solution

0:24:18.760 --> 0:24:21.159
<v Speaker 3>for it. And there's actually a new device on the

0:24:21.160 --> 0:24:24.119
<v Speaker 3>market that I'm really really happy with that allows me

0:24:24.240 --> 0:24:28.240
<v Speaker 3>to target those specific bands that cause those dimples. And

0:24:28.440 --> 0:24:31.160
<v Speaker 3>in the past treatments have really failed. So we've always

0:24:31.200 --> 0:24:34.200
<v Speaker 3>said there's no good treatment for cellulite. But I kind

0:24:34.200 --> 0:24:36.359
<v Speaker 3>of have a good treatment for it now, So I

0:24:36.400 --> 0:24:38.680
<v Speaker 3>think that's something that's really popular, and it's a lot

0:24:38.760 --> 0:24:42.000
<v Speaker 3>less invasive than it's been in the past. So you know,

0:24:42.040 --> 0:24:44.440
<v Speaker 3>that's kind of a trend that I'm seeing and I think.

0:24:44.440 --> 0:24:56.320
<v Speaker 2>Wow, road trip, I mean, what are your patients in

0:24:56.400 --> 0:24:57.960
<v Speaker 2>terms of age? What is the spread? Look? I mean,

0:24:58.000 --> 0:24:58.760
<v Speaker 2>is there a need limit?

0:24:59.560 --> 0:25:02.040
<v Speaker 3>I mean, there's there's no age limit. Obviously, when you're

0:25:02.080 --> 0:25:05.000
<v Speaker 3>having an elective cosmetic procedure, we want to make sure

0:25:05.000 --> 0:25:08.359
<v Speaker 3>that you're old enough to understand what you're having done.

0:25:08.600 --> 0:25:11.160
<v Speaker 3>But then there's also the physical things like if you're

0:25:11.680 --> 0:25:14.560
<v Speaker 3>if you're having something done to your body, you want

0:25:14.600 --> 0:25:17.320
<v Speaker 3>to make sure that your body's developed enough where it's

0:25:17.480 --> 0:25:20.639
<v Speaker 3>the right time to do it. So things like those

0:25:20.720 --> 0:25:24.040
<v Speaker 3>jobs tend to be something that you know, girls are

0:25:24.040 --> 0:25:26.919
<v Speaker 3>getting and boys are getting when they're like sixteen seventeen.

0:25:27.280 --> 0:25:31.320
<v Speaker 3>But other things like breast implants or liposuction, tummy tugs.

0:25:31.320 --> 0:25:33.480
<v Speaker 3>I think people are going to be more in their

0:25:33.560 --> 0:25:36.600
<v Speaker 3>twenties before they get a procedure like that done.

0:25:36.760 --> 0:25:38.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, do you ever turn anyone away? Like, do you

0:25:38.600 --> 0:25:41.480
<v Speaker 2>ever feel like they don't like would you turn some

0:25:41.640 --> 0:25:42.720
<v Speaker 2>away because you don't.

0:25:42.520 --> 0:25:46.360
<v Speaker 1>Think that it would enhance them? Or like maybe they're

0:25:46.440 --> 0:25:47.520
<v Speaker 1>they're getting too much?

0:25:48.280 --> 0:25:50.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean I turn people away all the time.

0:25:50.160 --> 0:25:52.960
<v Speaker 3>I mean I probably will turn away about twenty five

0:25:53.000 --> 0:25:54.520
<v Speaker 3>percent of the people that come to see me for

0:25:54.520 --> 0:25:55.200
<v Speaker 3>a consultation.

0:25:55.359 --> 0:25:58.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh way, why what are the reasons I think it's important.

0:25:58.480 --> 0:26:01.080
<v Speaker 3>I think that I think of the monsible plastic surgeon

0:26:01.119 --> 0:26:04.040
<v Speaker 3>needs to learn how to say no. And there may

0:26:04.040 --> 0:26:07.480
<v Speaker 3>be a bunch of reasons. One, maybe what you're asking

0:26:07.600 --> 0:26:11.159
<v Speaker 3>for is just not possible, so I have to try to.

0:26:11.280 --> 0:26:14.280
<v Speaker 3>You know, I want happy patients. And if I think

0:26:14.320 --> 0:26:16.320
<v Speaker 3>that you're asking for something and I can't deliver, then

0:26:16.359 --> 0:26:18.280
<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to be the one to try. The

0:26:18.359 --> 0:26:22.320
<v Speaker 3>other thing. Maybe that maybe what they're seeing, maybe what

0:26:22.359 --> 0:26:24.680
<v Speaker 3>the patient is seeing is wrong with them, isn't really

0:26:24.720 --> 0:26:26.720
<v Speaker 3>wrong with them. And that's we get into this whole

0:26:26.720 --> 0:26:29.800
<v Speaker 3>discussion about body dysmorphia. I mean, it's a real thing.

0:26:29.880 --> 0:26:32.400
<v Speaker 3>People look in the mirror and they think that their

0:26:32.440 --> 0:26:35.760
<v Speaker 3>nose is huge, but their nose really isn't huge, And

0:26:35.840 --> 0:26:38.880
<v Speaker 3>no matter what you do, they're still going to see

0:26:38.920 --> 0:26:41.840
<v Speaker 3>a huge nose. And that's called body dysmorphia. It's a

0:26:41.920 --> 0:26:47.120
<v Speaker 3>real psychiatric condition. And we try to figure out which

0:26:47.200 --> 0:26:52.720
<v Speaker 3>patients have that because one we know that surgery will

0:26:52.720 --> 0:26:56.240
<v Speaker 3>not correct what they're seeing, and two they're going to

0:26:56.280 --> 0:26:57.879
<v Speaker 3>be on They're going to be unhappy.

0:26:58.080 --> 0:27:00.480
<v Speaker 1>So do you play therapist in those instance and says like,

0:27:00.520 --> 0:27:02.720
<v Speaker 1>do you have to tell them you're not going to

0:27:02.760 --> 0:27:05.000
<v Speaker 1>be happy no matter what because what you're seeing is

0:27:05.040 --> 0:27:05.480
<v Speaker 1>not real?

0:27:05.720 --> 0:27:07.440
<v Speaker 2>Or do you just like tell them know and send

0:27:07.440 --> 0:27:07.840
<v Speaker 2>them away.

0:27:08.560 --> 0:27:10.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I mean it's you know, we kind of say

0:27:10.520 --> 0:27:13.879
<v Speaker 3>that sometimes we're a psychiatrist with a knife, you know.

0:27:13.880 --> 0:27:15.720
<v Speaker 3>So I think it's important to have an honest discussion.

0:27:15.760 --> 0:27:19.199
<v Speaker 3>So even patients, why I operate on, I will tell them, listen,

0:27:19.240 --> 0:27:21.680
<v Speaker 3>I can remove that extra skin. It's going to look

0:27:21.720 --> 0:27:26.000
<v Speaker 3>so much better. But you've been unhappy with the way

0:27:26.560 --> 0:27:29.200
<v Speaker 3>your stomach has looked for twenty years. So even when

0:27:29.240 --> 0:27:32.600
<v Speaker 3>it looks great. In your mind, You're still gonna think

0:27:32.680 --> 0:27:35.480
<v Speaker 3>it looks bad because that's just your thing. It's your

0:27:35.840 --> 0:27:38.640
<v Speaker 3>it's your thing that bothers you. And most people will say, yeah,

0:27:38.640 --> 0:27:42.360
<v Speaker 3>I get it, you're right, I understand it. So those

0:27:42.400 --> 0:27:46.720
<v Speaker 3>are discussions that we always have because there's it's a

0:27:46.760 --> 0:27:49.560
<v Speaker 3>lot more goes into plastic surgery than just what happens,

0:27:49.800 --> 0:27:52.120
<v Speaker 3>you know, within the walls of my operating room.

0:27:52.520 --> 0:27:54.959
<v Speaker 2>It's interesting when I went for my facelift, I had

0:27:54.960 --> 0:27:57.240
<v Speaker 2>a lower facelift and I went in with the intention

0:27:57.320 --> 0:28:01.960
<v Speaker 2>of having my entire face lifted. Yeah, my doctor said,

0:28:01.960 --> 0:28:05.160
<v Speaker 2>you don't need the upper part lifted. It's just your

0:28:05.200 --> 0:28:06.919
<v Speaker 2>you don't need your eyes done. There was all of this.

0:28:06.960 --> 0:28:08.200
<v Speaker 2>I was like, well, if I'm gonna do it, let

0:28:08.200 --> 0:28:10.359
<v Speaker 2>me really do it. But him saying that to me

0:28:11.040 --> 0:28:14.920
<v Speaker 2>made me respect him and trust him so much more. Yeah,

0:28:14.960 --> 0:28:17.119
<v Speaker 2>I think it's great. It's great because it would have

0:28:17.119 --> 0:28:20.200
<v Speaker 2>been way more expensive obviously to have more done.

0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:22.680
<v Speaker 1>Do you think that Instagram filters have played a part

0:28:22.720 --> 0:28:25.080
<v Speaker 1>in younger people wanting more plastic surgery.

0:28:25.680 --> 0:28:28.399
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Instagram filters and also if we think back to

0:28:28.720 --> 0:28:32.080
<v Speaker 3>you know, when snapchat was really popular, the snapchat filters

0:28:32.160 --> 0:28:35.119
<v Speaker 3>kind of started it all. So there was actually something that

0:28:35.440 --> 0:28:36.800
<v Speaker 3>you know, I kind of came up with a term

0:28:36.840 --> 0:28:40.800
<v Speaker 3>called snapchat dysmorphia, and that kind of got a lot

0:28:40.880 --> 0:28:43.360
<v Speaker 3>of play in the press. And that was something that

0:28:43.440 --> 0:28:46.320
<v Speaker 3>I saw early on with Snapchat filters, where you know,

0:28:46.360 --> 0:28:49.880
<v Speaker 3>people were changing their eyes and their lips and you know,

0:28:49.960 --> 0:28:53.440
<v Speaker 3>smoothing their skin. So it absolutely one hundred percent is

0:28:55.960 --> 0:28:59.560
<v Speaker 3>you know, it's it's I'm in a weird position because obviously,

0:28:59.560 --> 0:29:01.760
<v Speaker 3>I'm a class surgeon, this is my business, this is

0:29:01.840 --> 0:29:04.600
<v Speaker 3>my job, it's how I feed my family. But I

0:29:04.640 --> 0:29:06.720
<v Speaker 3>have I have a daughter, I have a teenage daughter,

0:29:07.160 --> 0:29:11.320
<v Speaker 3>so I'm aware of all these things. And I think

0:29:11.360 --> 0:29:15.040
<v Speaker 3>it's important that people are happy with their appearance and

0:29:15.080 --> 0:29:17.480
<v Speaker 3>have self confidence and be comfortable in their own skin.

0:29:17.840 --> 0:29:22.160
<v Speaker 3>But I also understand that society kind of pushes people

0:29:22.800 --> 0:29:23.920
<v Speaker 3>to the other extreme.

0:29:24.040 --> 0:29:26.600
<v Speaker 2>So how do you explain that to your daughter. I'm

0:29:26.600 --> 0:29:30.239
<v Speaker 2>so curious as a plastic surgeon, like when she and

0:29:30.280 --> 0:29:33.280
<v Speaker 2>she's obviously she's a teenage daughter, so she's definitely getting

0:29:33.280 --> 0:29:36.400
<v Speaker 2>bombarded with these images. Does she say to you, daddy,

0:29:37.040 --> 0:29:42.360
<v Speaker 2>my turn, Like, my daddy is a plastic surgeon, so kelp.

0:29:42.520 --> 0:29:45.680
<v Speaker 3>I mean luckily, luckily, she's been exposed to it for

0:29:45.800 --> 0:29:48.120
<v Speaker 3>her whole life. So you know, when she was little

0:29:48.160 --> 0:29:50.240
<v Speaker 3>and would take my phone and scroll through the photo roles,

0:29:50.240 --> 0:29:53.720
<v Speaker 3>it would be like family, family, family, patient, family, patient,

0:29:54.040 --> 0:29:57.400
<v Speaker 3>operating room, patient, family. So she's kind of she's kind

0:29:57.400 --> 0:30:00.120
<v Speaker 3>of been desensitized a little bit to it. But but

0:30:00.200 --> 0:30:02.080
<v Speaker 3>I mean, there may become a point where you know,

0:30:03.520 --> 0:30:05.520
<v Speaker 3>she comes up to me and says, this is I'd

0:30:05.560 --> 0:30:07.760
<v Speaker 3>like to change this about myself. And I think as

0:30:07.800 --> 0:30:10.880
<v Speaker 3>long as as long as she understands that that will

0:30:10.960 --> 0:30:13.960
<v Speaker 3>change her appearance, but it's not going to change it's

0:30:13.960 --> 0:30:18.160
<v Speaker 3>not going to change herself some worth, then I think

0:30:18.160 --> 0:30:21.120
<v Speaker 3>that that's that's the distinction people people need to make.

0:30:21.760 --> 0:30:25.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, great, can we ask you about some celebrities and

0:30:25.920 --> 0:30:28.120
<v Speaker 1>what they might have had done?

0:30:28.680 --> 0:30:29.160
<v Speaker 3>Sure?

0:30:29.720 --> 0:30:32.360
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So look, can we just start with Chloe Kardashian

0:30:32.440 --> 0:30:35.640
<v Speaker 2>because she has lately looked like an entirely different person.

0:30:36.080 --> 0:30:39.000
<v Speaker 2>Is that just integram filters or has she completely changed

0:30:39.400 --> 0:30:40.120
<v Speaker 2>her appearance?

0:30:40.640 --> 0:30:44.760
<v Speaker 3>You know there are certain people like the Kardashians in particular.

0:30:45.920 --> 0:30:48.720
<v Speaker 3>Are we gonna put a disclaimer so that Chris doesn't

0:30:48.760 --> 0:30:52.640
<v Speaker 3>sue me? No? I think there's there's certain people that

0:30:52.680 --> 0:30:56.680
<v Speaker 3>are very savvy about filters and lighting and photo editing

0:30:56.720 --> 0:31:01.160
<v Speaker 3>and things. So when you see pictures of celebrities, sometimes

0:31:01.440 --> 0:31:05.520
<v Speaker 3>it's not always surgical. Sometimes it's just photoheading. I think

0:31:05.560 --> 0:31:09.600
<v Speaker 3>you combine that with with constant fluctuations and weight, which

0:31:09.600 --> 0:31:13.760
<v Speaker 3>will really change someone's appearance, combined with having you know,

0:31:13.920 --> 0:31:17.560
<v Speaker 3>unlimited wealth where you can you can do anything you

0:31:17.600 --> 0:31:21.520
<v Speaker 3>want yourself. It becomes really muddled figuring out what certain

0:31:21.560 --> 0:31:25.000
<v Speaker 3>people have had. But I think that I think that

0:31:25.080 --> 0:31:28.520
<v Speaker 3>people definitely you combine, you combine you know, increase in

0:31:28.560 --> 0:31:31.240
<v Speaker 3>weight with decreasing weight, and you kind of do that rapidly,

0:31:31.280 --> 0:31:34.840
<v Speaker 3>with rapid fluctuations. Plus a lot of fillers and and

0:31:34.960 --> 0:31:38.000
<v Speaker 3>non surgical treatments can start to distort things a little bit.

0:31:47.200 --> 0:31:49.800
<v Speaker 2>Is it hard when you do these procedures on someone's

0:31:49.800 --> 0:31:53.840
<v Speaker 2>body because of the fluctuations in weight? So for instance,

0:31:53.880 --> 0:31:57.240
<v Speaker 2>if you're doing a Tommy tuck and this person comes

0:31:57.240 --> 0:31:59.680
<v Speaker 2>to you and is heavier, do you want that person

0:31:59.720 --> 0:32:04.040
<v Speaker 2>to lose weight first? Just because of if you do

0:32:04.080 --> 0:32:06.000
<v Speaker 2>the time and top and then they gain weight and

0:32:06.040 --> 0:32:07.720
<v Speaker 2>it's going to affect your results.

0:32:08.680 --> 0:32:12.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So I personally think that everybody should be at

0:32:12.840 --> 0:32:16.440
<v Speaker 3>whatever their whatever their normal weight is before they do

0:32:16.520 --> 0:32:18.760
<v Speaker 3>anything to their body. And it doesn't mean their weight

0:32:18.760 --> 0:32:22.000
<v Speaker 3>has to be the textbook perfect weight. It just means

0:32:22.040 --> 0:32:24.840
<v Speaker 3>whatever your normal weight is. If you're normally sitting at,

0:32:24.920 --> 0:32:27.640
<v Speaker 3>you know, whatever, one hundred and fifty pounds, then you

0:32:27.680 --> 0:32:29.480
<v Speaker 3>should have surgery when you're one hundred and fifty, not

0:32:29.520 --> 0:32:31.920
<v Speaker 3>when you're one hundred and seventy. So I never want

0:32:31.960 --> 0:32:33.760
<v Speaker 3>to do surgeries on people when they're kind of at

0:32:33.760 --> 0:32:36.680
<v Speaker 3>their peak, because that naturally is when people like want

0:32:36.720 --> 0:32:38.600
<v Speaker 3>to run in to see me when they're, you know,

0:32:38.720 --> 0:32:40.800
<v Speaker 3>had the kind of a rough couple months, and they're

0:32:40.840 --> 0:32:42.880
<v Speaker 3>up twenty pounds. You want to get down to your

0:32:42.920 --> 0:32:46.120
<v Speaker 3>normal weight. And that's because, like you said, if I

0:32:46.200 --> 0:32:49.200
<v Speaker 3>do the surgery and then your weight goes down or

0:32:49.280 --> 0:32:51.560
<v Speaker 3>goes up, the results can change.

0:32:51.920 --> 0:32:54.600
<v Speaker 2>That's for the phase too, right for anywhere.

0:32:54.640 --> 0:32:58.120
<v Speaker 3>I mean, you're everything changes with weight, and you can't

0:32:58.120 --> 0:32:59.960
<v Speaker 3>always predict how it's going to.

0:33:00.480 --> 0:33:03.040
<v Speaker 1>So you can't tell anything because people look totally different.

0:33:03.040 --> 0:33:05.000
<v Speaker 1>Like last week, my mother came over to light Honika

0:33:05.080 --> 0:33:07.800
<v Speaker 1>candles and I showed her what you can do. I

0:33:07.800 --> 0:33:10.120
<v Speaker 1>turned her into like a redhead with long hair.

0:33:10.240 --> 0:33:12.880
<v Speaker 2>With makeup on. She had never seen any of this

0:33:12.920 --> 0:33:14.840
<v Speaker 2>shit before. She was like, what did you do to me?

0:33:14.920 --> 0:33:17.400
<v Speaker 2>How can you do that? You know what? I hesitate

0:33:17.480 --> 0:33:19.520
<v Speaker 2>to use filters. I really don't use them on my

0:33:19.560 --> 0:33:22.280
<v Speaker 2>social media only because the jig is up. Like, if

0:33:22.320 --> 0:33:25.200
<v Speaker 2>you're on TV, you're gonna people are gonna find out

0:33:25.320 --> 0:33:29.120
<v Speaker 2>that you don't look airbrushed, right, Like, well, not everyone's

0:33:29.160 --> 0:33:32.440
<v Speaker 2>on TV. But even with that, though you run into people,

0:33:32.520 --> 0:33:35.520
<v Speaker 2>you're true what you look like is coming out. Do

0:33:35.600 --> 0:33:38.360
<v Speaker 2>people ask you to reverse stuff ever? Yeah?

0:33:38.480 --> 0:33:42.800
<v Speaker 3>I mean it's so sometimes it's a reversal and sometimes

0:33:42.840 --> 0:33:46.640
<v Speaker 3>it's just kind of downsizing. So specifically with the Brazilian

0:33:46.640 --> 0:33:49.720
<v Speaker 3>butt lift, you know, this whole trend of BBL reversals,

0:33:49.800 --> 0:33:51.920
<v Speaker 3>they're not really reversals because we're not trying to get

0:33:51.920 --> 0:33:54.080
<v Speaker 3>them back to what they were before surgery. We're just

0:33:54.080 --> 0:33:56.280
<v Speaker 3>trying to make them a little smaller, so it's more

0:33:56.360 --> 0:33:59.920
<v Speaker 3>like a reduction. Same thing with breast. You know, breast

0:34:00.080 --> 0:34:03.800
<v Speaker 3>and plants are very different now than they were ten

0:34:03.880 --> 0:34:07.440
<v Speaker 3>years ago. Like we're putting in smaller implants than we

0:34:07.440 --> 0:34:10.359
<v Speaker 3>were back then. So women are coming in and they

0:34:10.360 --> 0:34:14.360
<v Speaker 3>want to downsize. So I guess it's sort of a reversal,

0:34:14.360 --> 0:34:16.160
<v Speaker 3>but it's not really reversal because they don't want to

0:34:16.200 --> 0:34:18.440
<v Speaker 3>go back to what they look like before implants. They

0:34:18.480 --> 0:34:20.279
<v Speaker 3>just want to be a little bit smaller than they are.

0:34:20.280 --> 0:34:22.719
<v Speaker 1>Now. What happens if you get a mommy makeover and

0:34:22.760 --> 0:34:26.040
<v Speaker 1>then you have another baby? Does that, like tummy tuck

0:34:26.200 --> 0:34:27.880
<v Speaker 1>go out the window? Do you have to get it

0:34:27.880 --> 0:34:28.560
<v Speaker 1>all done again?

0:34:29.600 --> 0:34:32.719
<v Speaker 3>Not necessarily so obviously, if someone comes in for a

0:34:32.719 --> 0:34:36.520
<v Speaker 3>tummy tuck, I ask them, are you done having kids?

0:34:36.680 --> 0:34:38.840
<v Speaker 3>And you know they'll say yes, But I get it.

0:34:38.920 --> 0:34:42.400
<v Speaker 3>Things happen. So if someone's planning on having more children,

0:34:42.440 --> 0:34:45.319
<v Speaker 3>I tell them, wait, let's just when you think you're done,

0:34:45.400 --> 0:34:48.080
<v Speaker 3>then we'll put you back together. But if someone does

0:34:48.120 --> 0:34:52.480
<v Speaker 3>get pregnant after a tummy tuck, it may loosen things

0:34:52.560 --> 0:34:55.520
<v Speaker 3>up so it doesn't look as good, but it probably

0:34:55.560 --> 0:34:58.160
<v Speaker 3>won't go back to the way it was before the surgery,

0:34:58.280 --> 0:34:59.680
<v Speaker 3>because you know.

0:35:00.440 --> 0:35:04.440
<v Speaker 2>I had a tummy tuck, and then since I've been

0:35:04.520 --> 0:35:05.799
<v Speaker 2>up and down, my weight has been up and down.

0:35:05.800 --> 0:35:07.520
<v Speaker 2>I always like to say, like I broke through the

0:35:07.560 --> 0:35:12.160
<v Speaker 2>tummy tuck, so my stomach that was so tight after

0:35:12.200 --> 0:35:14.840
<v Speaker 2>the tummy tuck, it's definitely loosened up, and the muscles

0:35:14.840 --> 0:35:17.600
<v Speaker 2>have loosened up as well. I mean, you can blame

0:35:17.640 --> 0:35:19.920
<v Speaker 2>that on a lot of things besides brownies and not

0:35:19.960 --> 0:35:23.000
<v Speaker 2>doing sit ups. But I do notice that with time

0:35:23.280 --> 0:35:24.520
<v Speaker 2>it's certainly not what it was.

0:35:25.360 --> 0:35:27.640
<v Speaker 3>Well, I think that you know, with anything you do,

0:35:27.800 --> 0:35:30.560
<v Speaker 3>you know, having a good lifestyle and you know, you know,

0:35:30.719 --> 0:35:33.000
<v Speaker 3>proper diet and exercise, you have to maintain the results.

0:35:33.280 --> 0:35:37.320
<v Speaker 3>But also body still ages. So I tell people plastic

0:35:37.360 --> 0:35:40.600
<v Speaker 3>surgery doesn't stop the clock, it just turns it back.

0:35:41.000 --> 0:35:42.920
<v Speaker 3>So if I do a facelift on you and you

0:35:42.960 --> 0:35:46.640
<v Speaker 3>look ten or fifteen years younger, it doesn't. It doesn't

0:35:46.680 --> 0:35:48.560
<v Speaker 3>mean you're not going to age. It just means that

0:35:48.880 --> 0:35:51.160
<v Speaker 3>you're always going to be about ten or fifteen years younger.

0:35:51.400 --> 0:35:55.160
<v Speaker 3>Same thing with breastwork and tummy work. It just things

0:35:55.320 --> 0:35:59.200
<v Speaker 3>just get looser and crinklier and saggier over time. So

0:35:59.239 --> 0:35:59.880
<v Speaker 3>it's still.

0:36:01.239 --> 0:36:03.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean, is time really worse to women than it

0:36:03.960 --> 0:36:05.640
<v Speaker 1>is to men? I mean, you look at somebody like

0:36:05.680 --> 0:36:08.560
<v Speaker 1>George Clooney and they say men get better with age,

0:36:08.840 --> 0:36:11.760
<v Speaker 1>and I feel like society says that women fall apart,

0:36:12.120 --> 0:36:13.880
<v Speaker 1>Like is that true medically?

0:36:14.120 --> 0:36:14.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:36:14.320 --> 0:36:16.400
<v Speaker 3>I mean I think it's I mean, there's a double standard.

0:36:16.520 --> 0:36:18.920
<v Speaker 3>I mean then you know, as a man, I'm okay

0:36:18.960 --> 0:36:21.680
<v Speaker 3>with it, I guess, because you know, then when I age,

0:36:21.800 --> 0:36:24.600
<v Speaker 3>I'll have wrinkles and I'll look more distinguished and I'll

0:36:24.600 --> 0:36:28.160
<v Speaker 3>look more you know, more worldly. But when women get

0:36:28.200 --> 0:36:30.920
<v Speaker 3>those same things, they're they're judged. So it's it's an

0:36:31.000 --> 0:36:34.880
<v Speaker 3>unfair double standard, but it's true. You know, that's why

0:36:35.080 --> 0:36:40.879
<v Speaker 3>men men don't often get facelifts. You can do it,

0:36:40.920 --> 0:36:42.880
<v Speaker 3>and if a man gets a facelift, you have to

0:36:42.880 --> 0:36:46.040
<v Speaker 3>be really careful because you don't want to overtighten them

0:36:46.360 --> 0:36:49.120
<v Speaker 3>because then you can feminize their appearance and they can

0:36:49.160 --> 0:36:53.240
<v Speaker 3>look weird. So whenever I do like male classic surgery,

0:36:53.239 --> 0:36:55.399
<v Speaker 3>even male tummy tucks, because I do male tummy tucks,

0:36:55.400 --> 0:36:57.480
<v Speaker 3>you know the men that have lost weight, and I

0:36:57.520 --> 0:36:59.759
<v Speaker 3>don't pull them as tight or try to snatch their

0:36:59.800 --> 0:37:02.480
<v Speaker 3>weight like I do for women. I'm trying to get

0:37:02.520 --> 0:37:04.759
<v Speaker 3>them to look kind of straight in boxy, because that's

0:37:04.760 --> 0:37:08.080
<v Speaker 3>a masculine look. But if I did that result on you,

0:37:08.080 --> 0:37:10.640
<v Speaker 3>you would come back and be unhappy and you would.

0:37:10.480 --> 0:37:11.680
<v Speaker 2>Say find that a man.

0:37:12.040 --> 0:37:14.200
<v Speaker 1>If a man wants a tummy tuck, is he more

0:37:14.280 --> 0:37:16.680
<v Speaker 1>like secretive and shameful about it than a woman.

0:37:17.200 --> 0:37:20.279
<v Speaker 3>Yes, but I think it's changing. I think that I

0:37:20.320 --> 0:37:22.880
<v Speaker 3>think that men still represent only a small portion of

0:37:22.960 --> 0:37:27.040
<v Speaker 3>plastic surgery patients, about fifteen to twenty percent, but I

0:37:27.080 --> 0:37:30.759
<v Speaker 3>think they're becoming a little bit more open, you know.

0:37:30.840 --> 0:37:34.239
<v Speaker 3>I think now you know everybody, you know, everybody's taking

0:37:34.239 --> 0:37:36.880
<v Speaker 3>weight loss medications, and so, yeah.

0:37:36.760 --> 0:37:38.400
<v Speaker 2>How has that impacted everything?

0:37:39.040 --> 0:37:41.279
<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean it's definitely. You know, it's interesting because

0:37:41.320 --> 0:37:44.399
<v Speaker 3>when I first started doing plastic surgery, I was doing

0:37:44.440 --> 0:37:47.680
<v Speaker 3>a ton of body contouring after weight loss. And that's

0:37:47.680 --> 0:37:50.000
<v Speaker 3>because I trained it. I trained at Mount sein and

0:37:50.040 --> 0:37:53.600
<v Speaker 3>I where you know, bariatric surgery had his birth. So

0:37:54.200 --> 0:37:56.319
<v Speaker 3>I was dealing with people that lost one hundred pounds,

0:37:56.360 --> 0:38:00.400
<v Speaker 3>two hundred pounds after a gastric bypass and gastric slaves

0:38:00.520 --> 0:38:05.799
<v Speaker 3>and all sorts of really invasive bariatric surgery. And that

0:38:05.960 --> 0:38:09.320
<v Speaker 3>started to die down because it's a very invasive surgery.

0:38:09.600 --> 0:38:12.040
<v Speaker 3>But now you're starting to see that weight loss pick

0:38:12.120 --> 0:38:16.560
<v Speaker 3>up again because everybody, I mean, everybody's taking the medication.

0:38:16.760 --> 0:38:19.960
<v Speaker 3>So we're seeing a lot of people come in and

0:38:20.040 --> 0:38:23.920
<v Speaker 3>they've lost weight, they've lost weight rapidly, So you know,

0:38:24.000 --> 0:38:27.040
<v Speaker 3>forty fifty pounds over three four months is pretty quick,

0:38:27.040 --> 0:38:30.239
<v Speaker 3>but that's kind of typical. And so they're coming in

0:38:30.400 --> 0:38:34.239
<v Speaker 3>and they need the skin removed. So we're seeing a real,

0:38:34.360 --> 0:38:39.040
<v Speaker 3>really big uptick in body contouring after weight loss procedures.

0:38:39.400 --> 0:38:43.439
<v Speaker 2>Doctor Schulman with that because I'm on semi glue tide

0:38:43.480 --> 0:38:46.200
<v Speaker 2>and I've lost well over a little over twenty pounds,

0:38:46.440 --> 0:38:49.719
<v Speaker 2>but my skin is it's a whole different ballgame now.

0:38:49.719 --> 0:38:53.839
<v Speaker 2>And my legs specifically, the skin just hangs right. And

0:38:54.320 --> 0:38:56.960
<v Speaker 2>what I have heard that a thigh lift is really

0:38:57.040 --> 0:39:00.640
<v Speaker 2>not only really difficult, but the scars are horrendous. Is

0:39:00.640 --> 0:39:03.200
<v Speaker 2>there a way to fix the legs the knees?

0:39:05.320 --> 0:39:08.200
<v Speaker 3>It's hard because you know, when you're dealing with legs,

0:39:08.280 --> 0:39:11.360
<v Speaker 3>you're dealing with gravity. So you can never pull the

0:39:11.440 --> 0:39:13.560
<v Speaker 3>skin up as tight as you can pull in the mirror.

0:39:14.000 --> 0:39:18.280
<v Speaker 3>So it's hard because everything's fighting that and so legs

0:39:18.320 --> 0:39:20.840
<v Speaker 3>are hard, and you raise a good point and you know,

0:39:20.880 --> 0:39:23.680
<v Speaker 3>I can remove skin from anywhere in your body. I

0:39:23.719 --> 0:39:27.839
<v Speaker 3>can get you tight and you know, nothing hanging, but

0:39:27.880 --> 0:39:31.160
<v Speaker 3>the trade off is scars. So we're trying to do

0:39:31.320 --> 0:39:33.359
<v Speaker 3>procedures where we can do it in a way where

0:39:33.360 --> 0:39:35.600
<v Speaker 3>the scars are hit it, so there are thighs.

0:39:36.000 --> 0:39:38.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well you need to do that now.

0:39:38.600 --> 0:39:41.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I mean, well, you know, when you're dealing with

0:39:41.400 --> 0:39:43.960
<v Speaker 3>a lot of extra skin, sometimes the trade off is

0:39:44.000 --> 0:39:47.200
<v Speaker 3>you need more scars. But thighlifts can be done with

0:39:47.239 --> 0:39:51.080
<v Speaker 3>just the incision in the in the crease of the groin. Really,

0:39:51.440 --> 0:39:53.680
<v Speaker 3>I really try not to do that thlift where the

0:39:53.719 --> 0:39:56.320
<v Speaker 3>scar goes down the inside of the leg. Now, someone

0:39:56.400 --> 0:40:00.359
<v Speaker 3>may need it, but they may understand that, Yeah, I'd

0:40:00.440 --> 0:40:02.840
<v Speaker 3>rather leave you with a little bit of extra skin

0:40:03.239 --> 0:40:06.799
<v Speaker 3>and have you be able to wear shorts. Then feel like,

0:40:07.239 --> 0:40:09.120
<v Speaker 3>even if you have no extra skin in your thighs

0:40:09.160 --> 0:40:11.600
<v Speaker 3>are really tight. You have those scars, and you're not

0:40:11.640 --> 0:40:13.320
<v Speaker 3>going to ever want to show those scars.

0:40:13.800 --> 0:40:15.880
<v Speaker 2>You're killing me, doctor Schulman, because I said, literally in

0:40:15.920 --> 0:40:19.040
<v Speaker 2>this episode before you came on, that I'm trying to

0:40:19.280 --> 0:40:21.920
<v Speaker 2>reconcile myself to the pack that I'm fifty five and

0:40:22.160 --> 0:40:23.799
<v Speaker 2>because i have all this loose skin, I'm just going

0:40:23.880 --> 0:40:25.879
<v Speaker 2>to live with it. And now I can't get off

0:40:25.880 --> 0:40:27.640
<v Speaker 2>this podcast fast enough to call your office.

0:40:28.640 --> 0:40:32.080
<v Speaker 1>Well, here's a question that we started with, which is

0:40:32.280 --> 0:40:35.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, Jen was recently kind of shamed for using

0:40:35.560 --> 0:40:37.440
<v Speaker 1>Gozambic by somebody who told her.

0:40:37.440 --> 0:40:38.760
<v Speaker 2>To get on a fucking treadmill.

0:40:39.239 --> 0:40:41.360
<v Speaker 1>And then this same person went out and had a

0:40:41.400 --> 0:40:44.919
<v Speaker 1>tummy tuck, And so the person justified their tummy tuck

0:40:44.960 --> 0:40:48.320
<v Speaker 1>by saying that she did everything she could to get

0:40:48.360 --> 0:40:51.120
<v Speaker 1>to try to fix it herself before she.

0:40:51.120 --> 0:40:51.960
<v Speaker 2>Got the tummy tuck.

0:40:52.040 --> 0:40:55.879
<v Speaker 1>So I guess her question is do in an ideal world,

0:40:55.920 --> 0:40:59.400
<v Speaker 1>would somebody have to earn their plastic surgery by trying

0:40:59.400 --> 0:41:01.839
<v Speaker 1>everything else first? Or is it okay to just do

0:41:01.880 --> 0:41:04.040
<v Speaker 1>what makes you feel good?

0:41:06.080 --> 0:41:08.160
<v Speaker 3>So I think it's okay to just do it. However,

0:41:08.239 --> 0:41:11.440
<v Speaker 3>there's gonna be a caveat. The caveat is that you

0:41:11.520 --> 0:41:15.720
<v Speaker 3>really should have a healthy lifestyle. So there are people

0:41:15.719 --> 0:41:19.480
<v Speaker 3>that exercise six days a week, eat really well, and

0:41:19.520 --> 0:41:22.480
<v Speaker 3>they're still heavy, And I think that's okay. I think

0:41:22.520 --> 0:41:25.319
<v Speaker 3>that's a person who, yes, I can do liposuch, Let

0:41:25.360 --> 0:41:26.840
<v Speaker 3>me do LiPo such and help you get off the

0:41:26.840 --> 0:41:30.000
<v Speaker 3>fat that you can't get off. Let me get that

0:41:30.080 --> 0:41:32.440
<v Speaker 3>skin off that you can't get off through diet and exercise.

0:41:32.680 --> 0:41:35.120
<v Speaker 3>But if there's somebody that just doesn't do anything and

0:41:35.160 --> 0:41:37.000
<v Speaker 3>just kind of sits on their couch and you know,

0:41:37.120 --> 0:41:38.800
<v Speaker 3>is eating and not doing anything and then they have

0:41:38.880 --> 0:41:41.200
<v Speaker 3>this extra fat. I don't think that's a good idea

0:41:41.320 --> 0:41:46.160
<v Speaker 3>because because things that I do are contouring procedures, they're

0:41:46.200 --> 0:41:48.280
<v Speaker 3>not weight loss procedures.

0:41:47.840 --> 0:41:50.399
<v Speaker 2>They won't get the result or that they'll they'll will

0:41:50.440 --> 0:41:52.719
<v Speaker 2>and then they'll they'll break through the result. Or do

0:41:52.760 --> 0:41:55.760
<v Speaker 2>you think it's not okay? I guess we're talking about

0:41:55.880 --> 0:41:57.640
<v Speaker 2>you have to sort of like earn your right to

0:41:57.680 --> 0:41:58.600
<v Speaker 2>plastic surgery.

0:41:59.000 --> 0:42:01.440
<v Speaker 3>So in other words, no, I don't think it's a day.

0:42:01.440 --> 0:42:02.920
<v Speaker 3>I don't think people have to earn their right. I

0:42:02.960 --> 0:42:05.200
<v Speaker 3>think that's I think if people want to do it,

0:42:05.239 --> 0:42:08.040
<v Speaker 3>they should do it. I think it's more like you

0:42:08.080 --> 0:42:10.839
<v Speaker 3>said first that that you know, I'm trying to give

0:42:10.880 --> 0:42:14.279
<v Speaker 3>results that I know are going to last and are

0:42:14.320 --> 0:42:17.920
<v Speaker 3>going to be can be done safely. And if someone

0:42:18.040 --> 0:42:22.120
<v Speaker 3>has a has an unhealthy lifestyle, they're unlikely to get

0:42:22.160 --> 0:42:24.560
<v Speaker 3>a great result, and they're unlikely to get a result

0:42:24.600 --> 0:42:25.320
<v Speaker 3>that's going to last.

0:42:25.840 --> 0:42:27.759
<v Speaker 2>And that's a very different thing. I think that's so

0:42:27.880 --> 0:42:30.680
<v Speaker 2>interesting because what you're saying is that it's not that

0:42:30.680 --> 0:42:34.000
<v Speaker 2>you're saying to people. Listen, you haven't tried everything yet, so.

0:42:34.040 --> 0:42:34.480
<v Speaker 3>I'm not going.

0:42:34.680 --> 0:42:36.920
<v Speaker 2>If somebody comes to you with like I had tubular

0:42:36.960 --> 0:42:39.080
<v Speaker 2>breasts as a kid, like, there's nothing I could have

0:42:39.080 --> 0:42:42.120
<v Speaker 2>done about it, right, I couldn't have changed the shape

0:42:42.160 --> 0:42:45.640
<v Speaker 2>of my breasts. But if somebody comes to you and

0:42:46.680 --> 0:42:50.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, wants to get liposuction, and it's not that

0:42:50.880 --> 0:42:53.600
<v Speaker 2>you're saying you have to try to lose weight first,

0:42:53.680 --> 0:42:56.600
<v Speaker 2>You're more saying that I'm afraid that your result won't

0:42:56.600 --> 0:42:58.640
<v Speaker 2>be what you want, especially if you're if you're going

0:42:58.680 --> 0:43:00.400
<v Speaker 2>to continue with your unhealthy life style.

0:43:01.360 --> 0:43:03.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and you know I look at this. I you know,

0:43:03.520 --> 0:43:05.879
<v Speaker 3>when i'm evaluating a person, I'm looking at them as

0:43:07.320 --> 0:43:10.040
<v Speaker 3>I'm not I'm not being judging. You know, it's not

0:43:10.040 --> 0:43:12.319
<v Speaker 3>my job to judge you. It's my job to figure

0:43:12.320 --> 0:43:16.600
<v Speaker 3>out does what you're asking for is what you're asking

0:43:16.640 --> 0:43:19.399
<v Speaker 3>for a possible can I do it in a safe

0:43:19.440 --> 0:43:21.279
<v Speaker 3>way and give you the results that you want. So,

0:43:21.360 --> 0:43:23.360
<v Speaker 3>for example, if you come in and you want lip bosuction,

0:43:23.440 --> 0:43:26.399
<v Speaker 3>you're not really exercising, I may tell you, why don't

0:43:26.440 --> 0:43:29.600
<v Speaker 3>you try to exercise lose some weight so that your

0:43:29.680 --> 0:43:31.920
<v Speaker 3>body gets rid of the fat that it can get

0:43:32.040 --> 0:43:35.200
<v Speaker 3>rid of naturally, and then I can concentrate on those

0:43:35.239 --> 0:43:39.120
<v Speaker 3>areas that don't go away, and I think that's that's

0:43:39.160 --> 0:43:41.440
<v Speaker 3>a good way to do it from a surgical perspective.

0:43:42.040 --> 0:43:45.320
<v Speaker 3>I'm not doing it to like tell someone stopping lazy

0:43:45.320 --> 0:43:48.240
<v Speaker 3>go exercise. It's really just about, you know, I'm looking

0:43:48.280 --> 0:43:51.880
<v Speaker 3>at how to get them the best result, because, as

0:43:51.960 --> 0:43:57.000
<v Speaker 3>you alluded to, if you lose weight quickly, your skin

0:43:57.080 --> 0:43:59.759
<v Speaker 3>doesn't recover very well. So the skin just kind of

0:43:59.760 --> 0:44:04.239
<v Speaker 3>gets loose. So if I do liposuction on somebody, they're

0:44:04.280 --> 0:44:06.520
<v Speaker 3>losing that weight in the matter of just a few hours.

0:44:06.920 --> 0:44:08.840
<v Speaker 3>So if they have a lot of fat, that skin

0:44:08.880 --> 0:44:11.319
<v Speaker 3>can end up being a little bit loose after. But

0:44:11.760 --> 0:44:15.319
<v Speaker 3>if they go an exercise and they take three, four, five,

0:44:15.400 --> 0:44:19.200
<v Speaker 3>six months to lose half that weight, their skin has

0:44:19.280 --> 0:44:21.200
<v Speaker 3>enough time to tighten up so that when I do

0:44:21.280 --> 0:44:24.200
<v Speaker 3>the liposuction, they'll get a much better result and their

0:44:24.239 --> 0:44:27.720
<v Speaker 3>skin's gonna look better. So there's ways to go about

0:44:27.800 --> 0:44:30.880
<v Speaker 3>it to give the best result. And sometimes the reason

0:44:31.160 --> 0:44:33.799
<v Speaker 3>sometimes the answer is lose some weight on your own.

0:44:33.840 --> 0:44:36.400
<v Speaker 3>But again it's not to judge them, it's really to

0:44:36.440 --> 0:44:37.920
<v Speaker 3>help them get a better result.

0:44:38.160 --> 0:44:40.600
<v Speaker 2>Why do you think there is so much judgment around?

0:44:41.200 --> 0:44:43.799
<v Speaker 2>You know, people doing plastic surgery, and there are so

0:44:43.800 --> 0:44:46.160
<v Speaker 2>many there's so much shame around it. I mean, jack

0:44:46.200 --> 0:44:47.520
<v Speaker 2>and I were talking about this at the top of

0:44:47.520 --> 0:44:50.600
<v Speaker 2>the show. But don't feel shame around happy that money.

0:44:50.680 --> 0:44:52.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it is Jackie, and we don't lie about it.

0:44:52.280 --> 0:44:54.440
<v Speaker 2>We're both very upfront and honest. But there is so

0:44:54.640 --> 0:44:56.200
<v Speaker 2>much of that. What do you think that's about.

0:44:56.800 --> 0:44:58.600
<v Speaker 3>I think I think a lot of it is jealousy.

0:44:58.920 --> 0:45:00.440
<v Speaker 3>I think a lot of it is just you know,

0:45:00.520 --> 0:45:04.279
<v Speaker 3>some of the people that judge you are people that

0:45:04.560 --> 0:45:06.440
<v Speaker 3>would do the same thing if they had the means,

0:45:07.000 --> 0:45:09.960
<v Speaker 3>and I think that that's part of it. I don't

0:45:09.960 --> 0:45:11.880
<v Speaker 3>think it's as bad as it used to be. I

0:45:11.880 --> 0:45:14.600
<v Speaker 3>mean ten years ago, fifteen years ago, I think people

0:45:14.640 --> 0:45:18.440
<v Speaker 3>were very closeted about plastic surgery. So I think it's

0:45:18.560 --> 0:45:21.920
<v Speaker 3>much better now. And I think it's because a lot

0:45:21.920 --> 0:45:24.120
<v Speaker 3>of it is generational. I think that, you know, younger

0:45:24.160 --> 0:45:29.440
<v Speaker 3>generations are are much more, much more open and willing

0:45:29.440 --> 0:45:32.879
<v Speaker 3>to admit to having things done, you know, partly because

0:45:32.920 --> 0:45:36.560
<v Speaker 3>of social media. But again, I think a lot of

0:45:36.560 --> 0:45:40.760
<v Speaker 3>it is a lot of it is jealousy, and you know, people,

0:45:41.480 --> 0:45:44.440
<v Speaker 3>a lot of people who criticize would be in my

0:45:44.560 --> 0:45:45.920
<v Speaker 3>office tomorrow if they could.

0:45:46.760 --> 0:45:50.120
<v Speaker 1>Among classic surgeons, do they talk about the housewives world

0:45:50.160 --> 0:45:52.960
<v Speaker 1>as being like crazy full of plastic surgery or is

0:45:53.000 --> 0:45:56.400
<v Speaker 1>that just so like omnipresent for us because we're in

0:45:56.440 --> 0:45:58.759
<v Speaker 1>that world, Like is that a known thing?

0:45:58.960 --> 0:45:59.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:46:00.200 --> 0:46:03.319
<v Speaker 3>No, I mean I don't think it's. I don't think so.

0:46:03.560 --> 0:46:05.520
<v Speaker 3>I don't think I think a lot of it is. Probably.

0:46:06.920 --> 0:46:10.160
<v Speaker 3>I mean, you're obviously getting it. You're gonna you're gonna

0:46:10.200 --> 0:46:12.759
<v Speaker 3>be biased about it because you're seeing a lot of there.

0:46:12.920 --> 0:46:14.960
<v Speaker 3>You're obviously seeing the press and the media that that

0:46:15.000 --> 0:46:17.759
<v Speaker 3>may be focused about negative things around the housewives. But

0:46:17.840 --> 0:46:22.000
<v Speaker 3>I don't I think as a plastic surgeon community, nobody,

0:46:22.160 --> 0:46:22.399
<v Speaker 3>you know.

0:46:22.360 --> 0:46:23.600
<v Speaker 2>We don't really talk about it.

0:46:23.840 --> 0:46:26.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we don't really sit around and say, like, you

0:46:26.480 --> 0:46:29.200
<v Speaker 3>know what people had done or who's had bad work done?

0:46:29.239 --> 0:46:32.239
<v Speaker 2>Busy, Yeah, you're busy. Okay, Wait a no zempic question.

0:46:32.360 --> 0:46:34.920
<v Speaker 1>I have heard that ozempic has been complicating things for

0:46:34.960 --> 0:46:39.719
<v Speaker 1>plastic surgeons because your stomach doesn't fully empty, right, and

0:46:39.760 --> 0:46:42.200
<v Speaker 1>so when you do anesthesia, that's a problem.

0:46:42.760 --> 0:46:45.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's it's interesting because you know when and I

0:46:46.000 --> 0:46:48.560
<v Speaker 3>was just talking about this yesterday with my anisesiologists because

0:46:50.080 --> 0:46:52.640
<v Speaker 3>about a year and a half ago when people were

0:46:52.680 --> 0:46:55.360
<v Speaker 3>first starting to take ozembic, but no one really knew

0:46:55.400 --> 0:46:59.400
<v Speaker 3>too much about it. You know, there were some patients

0:46:59.440 --> 0:47:02.040
<v Speaker 3>where know, as you know, you have to be NPO

0:47:02.200 --> 0:47:05.560
<v Speaker 3>means don't eat anything for about eight hours before surgery,

0:47:06.200 --> 0:47:08.440
<v Speaker 3>and that's to make your stomach empty so that during

0:47:08.480 --> 0:47:10.759
<v Speaker 3>surgery and during the anesthesia you don't throw up and

0:47:10.880 --> 0:47:14.680
<v Speaker 3>potentially breathe it in and aspirin and have complications. So

0:47:15.200 --> 0:47:19.720
<v Speaker 3>there were some patients who who after the anesthesia would

0:47:19.800 --> 0:47:23.360
<v Speaker 3>would throw up and there would definitely be gastric contents,

0:47:23.400 --> 0:47:26.160
<v Speaker 3>there would be stuff in the stomach, and we were like,

0:47:26.239 --> 0:47:28.279
<v Speaker 3>this is so weird, Like I know, they didn't eat

0:47:28.360 --> 0:47:33.080
<v Speaker 3>their compliant patients and after the fact in retrospect, we're

0:47:33.120 --> 0:47:35.920
<v Speaker 3>like that so is empic because it delays the gastric

0:47:35.960 --> 0:47:39.840
<v Speaker 3>emptying and now take it may take two days for

0:47:39.880 --> 0:47:40.840
<v Speaker 3>your stomach to empty.

0:47:41.320 --> 0:47:41.960
<v Speaker 2>So what do you do.

0:47:42.760 --> 0:47:44.759
<v Speaker 3>Well, now, we tell our patients that they need to

0:47:44.800 --> 0:47:48.400
<v Speaker 3>stop the medication for two weeks before surgery to allow

0:47:48.520 --> 0:47:50.799
<v Speaker 3>the gastric empty to kind of get to normal. And

0:47:50.840 --> 0:47:53.120
<v Speaker 3>then people that have been on it for an extended

0:47:53.160 --> 0:47:56.280
<v Speaker 3>period of time, we may even say four weeks before surgery,

0:47:56.320 --> 0:47:58.360
<v Speaker 3>because it may take that long for your stomach to

0:47:58.440 --> 0:47:59.880
<v Speaker 3>kind of catch.

0:47:59.680 --> 0:48:02.440
<v Speaker 1>Up as opposed to one night as opposed to eight hours,

0:48:02.480 --> 0:48:04.200
<v Speaker 1>four weeks as opposed to eight hours.

0:48:04.600 --> 0:48:08.120
<v Speaker 3>Well, so it may take four weeks for your stomach

0:48:08.239 --> 0:48:12.759
<v Speaker 3>to kind of start emptying normal again. Oh but if

0:48:12.800 --> 0:48:15.480
<v Speaker 3>you're but if you're on ozempic, the food that you ate,

0:48:15.800 --> 0:48:17.560
<v Speaker 3>you know, yesterday morning is still in there.

0:48:18.400 --> 0:48:21.719
<v Speaker 2>I had recently had a colonoscopy and I had to

0:48:21.760 --> 0:48:24.960
<v Speaker 2>stop taking I'm on semi glue tide and I want

0:48:25.000 --> 0:48:27.880
<v Speaker 2>to say a week before I had to stop taking it,

0:48:27.920 --> 0:48:29.520
<v Speaker 2>and that was for a colonoskby that was just for

0:48:29.560 --> 0:48:31.360
<v Speaker 2>getting you know, put under. Wow.

0:48:31.520 --> 0:48:33.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't think a week's probably a week probably

0:48:33.719 --> 0:48:35.799
<v Speaker 3>isn't even long enough, you know, I think it's it's

0:48:35.800 --> 0:48:37.160
<v Speaker 3>got to be about two weeks.

0:48:37.480 --> 0:48:39.960
<v Speaker 2>Wow. Wow. Do you ever get people who are scared

0:48:40.040 --> 0:48:41.479
<v Speaker 2>to stop and just don't come back.

0:48:44.000 --> 0:48:47.480
<v Speaker 3>No, No, because because these are all people that so

0:48:48.400 --> 0:48:51.640
<v Speaker 3>you know, they so they're gonna have They're gonna have

0:48:51.640 --> 0:48:53.719
<v Speaker 3>the surgery no matter what. So you know, they have

0:48:53.719 --> 0:48:56.319
<v Speaker 3>to stopping and they have to stop smoking. So you know,

0:48:56.360 --> 0:48:57.759
<v Speaker 3>those are two difficult things for a lot.

0:48:57.880 --> 0:49:02.040
<v Speaker 2>Oh, right, right? How does you know?

0:49:02.239 --> 0:49:04.560
<v Speaker 1>When I was a kid, and I think we're all

0:49:04.560 --> 0:49:06.359
<v Speaker 1>in the same like kind of age group. But when

0:49:06.400 --> 0:49:08.240
<v Speaker 1>I was a kid, there was a woman named Joscelyn

0:49:08.239 --> 0:49:12.239
<v Speaker 1>Wildenstein and she, yeah, she was called the catwoman.

0:49:12.920 --> 0:49:13.920
<v Speaker 2>How does one.

0:49:15.440 --> 0:49:18.600
<v Speaker 1>Come like? What are your how do you get so

0:49:18.760 --> 0:49:21.080
<v Speaker 1>much put? Is that so much classics? I don't even

0:49:21.080 --> 0:49:22.239
<v Speaker 1>know what I'm asking, Like, how the fuck do you

0:49:22.320 --> 0:49:23.880
<v Speaker 1>end up looking like Joscelyn Wildenstein?

0:49:24.160 --> 0:49:30.600
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I think that it's unfortunate because I think

0:49:30.640 --> 0:49:33.680
<v Speaker 3>it's probably a combination of you know, again, I don't

0:49:33.760 --> 0:49:38.560
<v Speaker 3>know her, I don't know anything about her her psychiatric background,

0:49:38.600 --> 0:49:41.000
<v Speaker 3>but there probably there has to be some degree of

0:49:41.080 --> 0:49:44.440
<v Speaker 3>psychiatric disease in there somewhere. And then you combine that

0:49:44.520 --> 0:49:48.680
<v Speaker 3>with doctors who need to learn how to say no,

0:49:49.320 --> 0:49:51.560
<v Speaker 3>and and I think that sometimes, you know, we can't

0:49:51.880 --> 0:49:54.800
<v Speaker 3>you know, it's a plastics certain I can't cure people's

0:49:54.960 --> 0:49:58.280
<v Speaker 3>you know, psychiatric issues, but I can be the final

0:49:58.320 --> 0:50:00.320
<v Speaker 3>point where I say no, You're not to be the

0:50:00.320 --> 0:50:03.719
<v Speaker 3>one to do the surgery. Unfortunately, there's greedy people out there,

0:50:03.760 --> 0:50:05.839
<v Speaker 3>and there are people, you know, I'm I'm in New

0:50:05.920 --> 0:50:09.440
<v Speaker 3>York City when I tell a patient, I'm if I

0:50:09.480 --> 0:50:11.239
<v Speaker 3>say no to you, I know you're going to go

0:50:11.280 --> 0:50:13.239
<v Speaker 3>down the street and you'll find someone that'll say yes.

0:50:13.680 --> 0:50:18.160
<v Speaker 3>But in my honest opinion, you shouldn't do the surgery.

0:50:18.680 --> 0:50:21.759
<v Speaker 3>And hopefully they don't, but they but a lot of

0:50:21.760 --> 0:50:25.719
<v Speaker 3>them do the surgery. And the worst thing about it

0:50:25.760 --> 0:50:28.359
<v Speaker 3>is sometimes I even see those patients come back and

0:50:28.400 --> 0:50:30.839
<v Speaker 3>they did what I told them not to do with

0:50:30.920 --> 0:50:33.880
<v Speaker 3>another doctor, and now they're back to me and they

0:50:33.920 --> 0:50:36.480
<v Speaker 3>want me to try to fix it, and it becomes

0:50:36.640 --> 0:50:38.239
<v Speaker 3>very difficult.

0:50:46.280 --> 0:50:48.680
<v Speaker 2>As a plastic surgeon. It's not it can't just be

0:50:48.760 --> 0:50:50.600
<v Speaker 2>a science. I feel like it has to be also

0:50:50.640 --> 0:50:54.239
<v Speaker 2>an art right, I mean, it's I think of it

0:50:54.239 --> 0:50:57.560
<v Speaker 2>that way anyway. I mean, do you I doubt you've

0:50:57.560 --> 0:51:00.799
<v Speaker 2>had many are there surgery that you do where you

0:51:00.920 --> 0:51:04.120
<v Speaker 2>just can't sort of like control the fact that something

0:51:04.200 --> 0:51:07.520
<v Speaker 2>happened or didn't come out right, or you know, what

0:51:07.560 --> 0:51:08.239
<v Speaker 2>do you do with that?

0:51:09.840 --> 0:51:13.319
<v Speaker 3>So so there's definitely an artistic component. So I think

0:51:13.360 --> 0:51:17.680
<v Speaker 3>that all plastic surgeons have have to have some sort

0:51:17.680 --> 0:51:21.440
<v Speaker 3>of artistic ability or at least have like that that

0:51:22.040 --> 0:51:25.200
<v Speaker 3>ability to conceptualize, Like you remember, like in school when

0:51:25.239 --> 0:51:27.600
<v Speaker 3>you had to do those tests where it was like

0:51:27.640 --> 0:51:29.680
<v Speaker 3>the cube and it was opened up on paper and

0:51:29.680 --> 0:51:31.400
<v Speaker 3>you had to like pick the choice of what it

0:51:31.440 --> 0:51:33.160
<v Speaker 3>looked like when all the paper was folded. Do you

0:51:33.200 --> 0:51:33.919
<v Speaker 3>know what I'm talking about?

0:51:34.560 --> 0:51:35.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, blocked it.

0:51:37.000 --> 0:51:38.560
<v Speaker 3>So those are the type of things that as a

0:51:38.560 --> 0:51:40.840
<v Speaker 3>plastic surgeon we have to think about because you know,

0:51:40.880 --> 0:51:42.560
<v Speaker 3>we have to see how things are going to end

0:51:42.640 --> 0:51:45.719
<v Speaker 3>up three dimensionally. And but the but the toughest part

0:51:45.800 --> 0:51:49.239
<v Speaker 3>is it's not it's not mold and clay. It's a

0:51:49.320 --> 0:51:53.160
<v Speaker 3>human body and everyone's skin acts differently, everyone heals differently.

0:51:53.520 --> 0:51:55.839
<v Speaker 3>Some patients are going to be compliant. Some patients aren't

0:51:55.840 --> 0:51:57.480
<v Speaker 3>going to listen to a word I say and and

0:51:57.640 --> 0:52:00.359
<v Speaker 3>just do anything not to do, and and they can

0:52:00.480 --> 0:52:02.719
<v Speaker 3>end up with a bad result. So I think the

0:52:02.840 --> 0:52:07.760
<v Speaker 3>key is to obviously do not do so much where

0:52:07.800 --> 0:52:10.920
<v Speaker 3>you can get yourself into trouble, and also always have

0:52:11.000 --> 0:52:13.680
<v Speaker 3>a plan for Yeah, I mean, listen, I'd like to

0:52:13.680 --> 0:52:16.400
<v Speaker 3>think I'm pretty good, but I still have to do

0:52:16.440 --> 0:52:20.600
<v Speaker 3>revision surgeries on my patients, and they're usually small. You know,

0:52:20.600 --> 0:52:22.799
<v Speaker 3>there's always gonna be some degree of asymmetry. And I

0:52:22.800 --> 0:52:25.279
<v Speaker 3>tell my patients, you know, your left side and your

0:52:25.360 --> 0:52:27.399
<v Speaker 3>right side is always gonna be a little different. You're

0:52:27.400 --> 0:52:28.960
<v Speaker 3>going to notice it, and I'm going to notice it.

0:52:29.280 --> 0:52:30.960
<v Speaker 3>But other people on the beach aren't.

0:52:31.239 --> 0:52:33.319
<v Speaker 2>But if they get so, it's also a degree of

0:52:33.320 --> 0:52:35.560
<v Speaker 2>pain in the ass nets I'm sure.

0:52:34.920 --> 0:52:39.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I mean everybody, Yeah, everybody wants perfection. And

0:52:40.440 --> 0:52:42.160
<v Speaker 3>you know, no matter what I tell them that, I

0:52:42.239 --> 0:52:44.160
<v Speaker 3>can't make you perfect. And they say, okay, no, I

0:52:44.239 --> 0:52:46.520
<v Speaker 3>understand that. And then they come back in six months

0:52:46.520 --> 0:52:49.759
<v Speaker 3>and they say, but it's not perfect. It's like I

0:52:49.880 --> 0:52:55.000
<v Speaker 3>had this discussion, so yeah, makes better. And and so

0:52:55.120 --> 0:52:57.880
<v Speaker 3>there's always there's always the option for opportunity for like

0:52:57.960 --> 0:52:59.840
<v Speaker 3>small procedures and stuff to kind of make the results

0:53:00.160 --> 0:53:04.600
<v Speaker 3>her and and and unfortunately, there are some situations where

0:53:05.280 --> 0:53:08.200
<v Speaker 3>you know you have to tell the patient you look great.

0:53:08.560 --> 0:53:10.879
<v Speaker 3>I know you don't look as good as you think

0:53:10.920 --> 0:53:12.720
<v Speaker 3>you want to look, but this is as good as

0:53:12.760 --> 0:53:15.640
<v Speaker 3>it's gonna get. And you know you're gonna have to

0:53:15.760 --> 0:53:19.319
<v Speaker 3>accept this, and most people do unless they have some

0:53:19.400 --> 0:53:22.920
<v Speaker 3>of those little bit of dysmorphia that I didn't pick

0:53:23.000 --> 0:53:23.279
<v Speaker 3>up on.

0:53:24.440 --> 0:53:25.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:53:25.640 --> 0:53:28.880
<v Speaker 1>Well, I for one, I'm very grateful for doctors like

0:53:28.920 --> 0:53:33.520
<v Speaker 1>you who will tell people no, because I do feel

0:53:33.560 --> 0:53:36.400
<v Speaker 1>like I really kind of like plastic surgery, and I

0:53:36.440 --> 0:53:38.160
<v Speaker 1>would hope that someone would turn me away if I

0:53:38.239 --> 0:53:40.120
<v Speaker 1>come knocking for a thing that I don't need.

0:53:40.239 --> 0:53:42.040
<v Speaker 2>I feel like such an idiot because again, at the

0:53:42.320 --> 0:53:45.319
<v Speaker 2>top of this podcast, I talked about how my friend

0:53:45.320 --> 0:53:47.440
<v Speaker 2>and Florida said, it is enough, Jen, because my legs

0:53:47.520 --> 0:53:50.560
<v Speaker 2>are just they just look so old and saggy. And

0:53:50.560 --> 0:53:52.680
<v Speaker 2>now you said something about the groin and I'm gonna

0:53:52.719 --> 0:53:55.000
<v Speaker 2>hang yea out and I'm calling you.

0:53:56.360 --> 0:53:59.080
<v Speaker 3>Come come see me. And as you know, I already

0:53:59.120 --> 0:54:00.960
<v Speaker 3>said I have no problem saying no to people, so

0:54:01.080 --> 0:54:03.640
<v Speaker 3>maybe I'll maybe I say no, I'll come.

0:54:03.960 --> 0:54:06.920
<v Speaker 2>I'll come with her so I could see you in person. Yeah. Well,

0:54:07.000 --> 0:54:10.919
<v Speaker 2>thank you so much. This is great, very interesting. Thank

0:54:10.960 --> 0:54:12.799
<v Speaker 2>you so much, and we'll talk to you soon and.

0:54:12.880 --> 0:54:15.760
<v Speaker 3>See you guys. Bye bye.

0:54:16.400 --> 0:54:18.960
<v Speaker 2>Thank you. If you like him, I mean, how do

0:54:18.960 --> 0:54:21.239
<v Speaker 2>you not like him? I know he's horrible, He's great.

0:54:21.320 --> 0:54:25.399
<v Speaker 2>I'm honest and like cool and trustworthy, right yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:54:25.400 --> 0:54:28.000
<v Speaker 2>I've heard great things and yeah, but I always knew

0:54:28.000 --> 0:54:32.040
<v Speaker 2>that he was like a butt lift guy. Really yeah, everything.

0:54:32.160 --> 0:54:34.040
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it's funny because do you go when you

0:54:34.040 --> 0:54:36.920
<v Speaker 2>pick a plastic surgeon, do you look for one that

0:54:37.040 --> 0:54:40.040
<v Speaker 2>is specializing in exactly what you want done? Because I

0:54:40.080 --> 0:54:42.839
<v Speaker 2>know that like a lot of plastic surgeons will say

0:54:42.880 --> 0:54:46.160
<v Speaker 2>they can do the entire body and the face. I don't.

0:54:46.400 --> 0:54:48.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I guess, So I mean, you wouldn't

0:54:48.360 --> 0:54:49.680
<v Speaker 1>want a jack of all trades. But I have a

0:54:49.719 --> 0:54:50.800
<v Speaker 1>funny butt story.

0:54:51.000 --> 0:54:54.000
<v Speaker 2>So you were you were called back with a crowd act, right,

0:54:54.160 --> 0:54:56.040
<v Speaker 2>So I used to be called low crack jack. I

0:54:56.040 --> 0:54:58.200
<v Speaker 2>have a really low crack. Is that t M? I

0:54:58.200 --> 0:55:00.080
<v Speaker 2>I think that's anyway.

0:55:00.239 --> 0:55:05.560
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, So I have like a really flat and like

0:55:05.719 --> 0:55:10.200
<v Speaker 1>I almost don't really care because like there's nothing I

0:55:10.200 --> 0:55:12.440
<v Speaker 1>can do about it, and I'm not about I actually

0:55:12.760 --> 0:55:15.840
<v Speaker 1>like to run. I'm a runner, but I don't enjoy

0:55:15.920 --> 0:55:17.960
<v Speaker 1>doing like lunges or anything like that. And the amount

0:55:17.960 --> 0:55:19.440
<v Speaker 1>of lunges that I would have to do to have

0:55:19.480 --> 0:55:21.440
<v Speaker 1>an ass is just unfathomable.

0:55:21.520 --> 0:55:23.319
<v Speaker 2>So I've always just accepted that I have a flat

0:55:23.360 --> 0:55:24.320
<v Speaker 2>ass with whatever.

0:55:25.719 --> 0:55:30.440
<v Speaker 1>So anyway, so I at one point did ask about

0:55:30.440 --> 0:55:34.040
<v Speaker 1>what I could do non surgically to have some volume

0:55:34.120 --> 0:55:35.759
<v Speaker 1>in my ass, and I was told that I could

0:55:35.760 --> 0:55:39.120
<v Speaker 1>have injections and that that's what the Kardashians do, and

0:55:39.160 --> 0:55:41.799
<v Speaker 1>they have hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of injections

0:55:41.800 --> 0:55:43.879
<v Speaker 1>in their ass. So I was like, all right, let's

0:55:43.880 --> 0:55:48.680
<v Speaker 1>inject my ass. So I had probably like eight huge

0:55:48.760 --> 0:55:50.799
<v Speaker 1>vials on one side of my ass and six huge

0:55:50.840 --> 0:55:52.000
<v Speaker 1>vials on the other side.

0:55:53.000 --> 0:55:56.520
<v Speaker 2>And it did as fuckingly nothing.

0:55:57.160 --> 0:55:58.120
<v Speaker 1>What it did?

0:55:58.160 --> 0:56:00.880
<v Speaker 2>Nothing? It did nothing? How much of a ca a

0:56:00.920 --> 0:56:02.799
<v Speaker 2>lot of money. That's a bummer. So you have other

0:56:02.840 --> 0:56:04.560
<v Speaker 2>plastic surgery, you had ass surgery.

0:56:04.880 --> 0:56:08.160
<v Speaker 1>It's not plastic surgery. No, that's non surgical. It's like

0:56:08.280 --> 0:56:08.920
<v Speaker 1>ass filler.

0:56:09.000 --> 0:56:09.520
<v Speaker 2>And it did not.

0:56:09.680 --> 0:56:12.759
<v Speaker 1>But it's not filler. It's supposed to increase the and

0:56:12.800 --> 0:56:16.239
<v Speaker 1>it's not the doctor's cault. The doctor is fantastic the

0:56:16.960 --> 0:56:19.560
<v Speaker 1>it's supposed to like like stimulate the collagen.

0:56:19.640 --> 0:56:24.120
<v Speaker 2>I guess I don't know it has Doctor Shulman wouldn't

0:56:24.160 --> 0:56:27.239
<v Speaker 2>have gotten that wrong. Sorry, no it's not she didn't

0:56:27.239 --> 0:56:30.560
<v Speaker 2>get it wrong. It just I don't know if my ass.

0:56:30.280 --> 0:56:33.200
<v Speaker 1>Just ate it. And like I was like, fuck you, Jackie,

0:56:33.600 --> 0:56:35.800
<v Speaker 1>We're not giving you an ass No matter what I pissed,

0:56:36.239 --> 0:56:38.879
<v Speaker 1>I know there was nothing I could do. I think

0:56:39.040 --> 0:56:40.880
<v Speaker 1>I think that if you get those ass fillers, I

0:56:40.880 --> 0:56:43.600
<v Speaker 1>think you just need like tons and tons and tons

0:56:43.600 --> 0:56:43.759
<v Speaker 1>of that.

0:56:44.280 --> 0:56:47.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I never wanted my ass filled ever, but

0:56:47.800 --> 0:56:49.479
<v Speaker 2>now I just want to lift it. And I'm really

0:56:49.520 --> 0:56:52.320
<v Speaker 2>pissed about this whole episode because of the top of it.

0:56:52.440 --> 0:56:54.759
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I'm done, and now doctor Shulman and

0:56:54.800 --> 0:56:57.319
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I know a second lunch to get that

0:56:57.480 --> 0:56:59.120
<v Speaker 2>just done. I mean, I'm not gonna lie. There's more

0:56:59.120 --> 0:57:01.160
<v Speaker 2>shit I want to get done. But Evan doesn't like

0:57:01.200 --> 0:57:03.320
<v Speaker 2>when I get too much. Evan doesn't like it. I

0:57:03.320 --> 0:57:05.840
<v Speaker 2>haven't gotten anything. I don't even talk to Jeff about it.

0:57:05.880 --> 0:57:08.400
<v Speaker 2>I just sign up. Well really, I mean, it's always

0:57:08.400 --> 0:57:09.320
<v Speaker 2>good sick surgery.

0:57:09.360 --> 0:57:11.399
<v Speaker 1>I mean tattoos. I don't tell Evan. I just come

0:57:11.440 --> 0:57:12.320
<v Speaker 1>home with a new tattoo.

0:57:12.400 --> 0:57:14.799
<v Speaker 2>The truth is, of course I tell Jeff I need

0:57:14.920 --> 0:57:17.800
<v Speaker 2>him to pick me up from the's office afterwards, but

0:57:18.160 --> 0:57:21.560
<v Speaker 2>definitely not probably the like not at the point of consultation.

0:57:22.040 --> 0:57:25.000
<v Speaker 2>After I sort of made my mind up because he'll

0:57:25.040 --> 0:57:28.320
<v Speaker 2>always say no. Not no, is in you can't do this.

0:57:28.560 --> 0:57:31.800
<v Speaker 2>No because he thinks you look beautiful. No because he.

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<v Speaker 1>Thinks it's just like you're aging and it's stupid and

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<v Speaker 1>it's so much money and like, why are you so

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<v Speaker 1>obsessed with your physical Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, can I tell you what I don't want? Please?

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<v Speaker 1>Yesterday I was sitting at my kids basketball game and

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<v Speaker 1>I felt my lower lip getting swollen.

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<v Speaker 2>And I woke up this morning and it's so goddamn swollen.

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<v Speaker 2>I look at this. I do not.

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<v Speaker 1>Want anymore because my lip looks absolutely ridiculous. That like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, once or twice a year, oh sleeping

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<v Speaker 1>and he wakes up and I die by his face,

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<v Speaker 1>looks he.

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<v Speaker 2>My lip is so goddamn bad, like and one of

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<v Speaker 2>it is just huge. It's the greatest morning. I took

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<v Speaker 2>up ben Benjo last night.

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<v Speaker 1>I took it.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think so? Yeah, yours looks like right? Tell

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<v Speaker 2>me that I'll go get more. No, see, it's bad time.

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<v Speaker 1>I do think at a certain point, listen, I think

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<v Speaker 1>that you do not you absolutely do not need to

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<v Speaker 1>earn your plastic surgery, get whatever makes you feel good.

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<v Speaker 1>But I also think that at a certain point you

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<v Speaker 1>kind of have to accept what God gave you.

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<v Speaker 2>When is I don't know. I'm telling you. My whole

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<v Speaker 2>opinion about that changed over the last hour. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what to tell you. I thought I was done. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well, you never have to make that decision. Just

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<v Speaker 2>see what life brings. Yes, think you're beautiful. Oh but

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<v Speaker 2>don't give a shit what you think. I'm calling doctor Schulmo.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, you guys, until next time, Happy New Year,

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<v Speaker 1>Happy New Year everybody. If one of your New Year's

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<v Speaker 1>resolutions is to get plastic surgery.

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<v Speaker 2>Just now, you don't need to earn it first. Love that. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, I wish for all of our listeners

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<v Speaker 2>and for us just to feel good, feel good about yourselves.

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<v Speaker 2>We're trying to feel good about ourselves.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying. It's not always easy. Yeah, but you know

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to start meditating.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I heard that makes you feel good, It makes you

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<v Speaker 1>some inner peace. I need some inner piece. I've never

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<v Speaker 1>tried inner piece, all the piece, all the.

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<v Speaker 2>Piece pieces of me. All right, love you guys. I