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Speaker 1: Hey guys, I'm Jackie, I'm Jen Fessler, and we are

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Speaker 1: two Jersey Jays.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we certainly are.

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Speaker 1: We certainly are, and we have got an episode for

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Speaker 1: you today, and I have got to ask you something,

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Speaker 1: Jennifer Fessler. So we talked about ozembic a few weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: about right, and somebody, and I'm not going to say

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Speaker 1: any names, somebody implied that you took the easy way

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Speaker 1: out and that ozembic users should just get on a

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Speaker 1: fucking treadmill. And then this same person last week or

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Speaker 1: the week before, was on Instagram showing off the results

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Speaker 1: of their Tommy talk.

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Speaker 2: So I'm wondering your thoughts on that, all right? No,

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Speaker 2: I definitely am in tuned to that. I know all

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Speaker 2: on that? So this person got a lot of flak

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Speaker 2: for saying, you know, taking nozembic is ridiculous behavior, just

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Speaker 2: get on a treadmill, and then getting online and talking

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Speaker 2: about and showing pictures of her Tommy tuck, and I

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Speaker 2: want to say that Her response was, I tried everything

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Speaker 2: before I got a Tommy Tuck. I worked out, I

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Speaker 2: worked my ass off, I did everything humanly possible to

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Speaker 2: lose the baby wheat and I still had loose skin,

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Speaker 2: And so that was what my tummy tuck was about.

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Speaker 2: It was about the fact that, you know, because I

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Speaker 2: had gone through every possible method to get a tight stomach,

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Speaker 2: it was okay, it's okay now that I resorted to

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Speaker 2: plastic surgery, which I think is really interesting and obviously, well,

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Speaker 2: this episode is we're going to talk about plastic surgery.

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Speaker 2: But what is that about, Like this feeling that you

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Speaker 2: have to deserve it, right, that you have to exhaust

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Speaker 2: all other means possible before you decide to have plastic surgery.

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Speaker 2: I don't buy into that, not for a second.

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Speaker 1: Right, Well, listen, I do not think that I am

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Speaker 1: not a proponent of ozenbic for losing just a little

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Speaker 1: bit of weight. But I don't think it's the easy

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Speaker 1: way out. Actually, I think that you deal with a

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Speaker 1: lot of unknowns, a lot of people get very sick

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Speaker 1: horrendous nausea. But listen, yeah, been we've gone down this, Okay.

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Speaker 1: So what I'm saying is, though I very strongly feel

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Speaker 1: that you do not have to earn your plastic service.

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Speaker 2: Right, That's that's sort of like what it came down

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Speaker 2: to for me. And this person is not the only

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Speaker 2: person who feels that way, right, A lot of people

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Speaker 2: feel like, you know, how dare you get a Tommy

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Speaker 2: that first? Most people, I think probably do. But how

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Speaker 2: about you know, getting getting breast implants. You can't magically

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Speaker 2: make your boobs bigger? Is it okay to want bigger boobs?

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Speaker 2: It's because it seems that it's fine to want smaller ones. Right,

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Speaker 2: If your back hurts and you get plastic surgery because

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Speaker 2: you need it, quote unquote, that seems to be way

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Speaker 2: more widely acceptable than going the other way. So there's

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Speaker 2: just so much stigma around. Yeah, and and that's why

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Speaker 1: And in the housewise world, do you get a lot

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Speaker 1: which is a little ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: But I am very open about my plastic surgery.

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Speaker 1: I've actually had nothing on my face, but I've had

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Speaker 2: I've had both. But if you had what have I had?

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Speaker 2: So I had a Tommy tuck, and I've had light

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Speaker 2: they're really really source of embarrassment. Especially as a younger woman.

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Speaker 2: Taking off my clothes was just for me really really mortifyed.

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Speaker 2: And so when I went in the first time to

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Speaker 2: And about three years ago I decided I didn't want

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Speaker 2: so I have had If you can imagine this, I've

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Speaker 1: At so Tummy Tucky. You had your face redone and

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Speaker 1: And so I was anorexic from the time I was

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Speaker 1: Is was for me, by and far the most painful.

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Speaker 1: there are two types, right, the one where you just

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Speaker 1: months ago, I had a breast reduction. I had those

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Speaker 2: You and I both are so open to talking about it,

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Speaker 2: and why not. Well, well, like, I've never had a

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Speaker 2: everybody had left me, you know whatever, a very sweet

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Speaker 2: But I know that it, you know, the shame piece,

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Speaker 1: There's no way to earn your plastic surgery. I don't

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't feel I never did feel

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Speaker 2: the old word is becoming so overused on our podcast.

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Speaker 2: But as of ozempic and losing muscle and not working out,

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, there was just a story in the

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Speaker 1: She was on Family Ties and oh god, I remember

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Speaker 2: Like anyone thinks that anymore. Do you think anyone looks

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Speaker 2: You know him. I do know him.

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Speaker 1: He's never done any work on me, but I've known

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Speaker 2: doctor Sherlmann, Hi, how are you? Thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for being here. We have You're so excited and really

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Speaker 2: I remember you were known for your butt lifts. Am

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Speaker 3: You're not wrong? And I'm still known for them.

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Speaker 3: So they're still doing it, but they're not getting that big, exaggerated,

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Speaker 2: So for someone like me who has no ass, what

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Speaker 3: So, So in terms of the butt, there's sort of

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Speaker 3: But the other thing is really adding volume. So when

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Speaker 3: You still can do butt implants. You know, they're good

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Speaker 3: for people that don't have fat, but not always the

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Speaker 3: You know, body images and what we look at as

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean, And I actually encourage people to bring

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Speaker 1: Of people most often ask to look like. There are

431
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 1: certain know's that people want, or breasts that people want.

432
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,920
Speaker 3: You know what, Really it's really changed. I mean historically,

433
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 3: you know, when people wanted a butt, they would bring

434
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,719
Speaker 3: in Kim Kardashian. You know, that was kind of like

435
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 3: the classic what everyone brought in. And you know, for breast,

436
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,359
Speaker 3: you know, Jennifer Aniston was big for was big for

437
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 3: a while. But it really you know, like I said,

438
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 3: it's it's less about you know, I'm not seeing those

439
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 3: same celebrities anymore because I'm just seeing more more Instagram people.

440
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,639
Speaker 2: What are people requesting? Now? What's your most popular procedure?

441
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 3: So I'm really a body guy. So my specialty is

442
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 3: blow the neck, So I do a lot of breast tummies, butts, liposuction,

443
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 3: and so I'm good. I'm still doing a ton of

444
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,159
Speaker 3: mommy makeovers. So I'm getting people that come in that

445
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 3: have had, you know, multiple children, and they want to

446
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 3: be rejuvenated and lifted and tightened up. So mommy makeovers

447
00:23:55,520 --> 00:24:00,719
Speaker 3: are still always popular. Butts again are always popular. But

448
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 3: we're going for a more athletic, a slimmer, a little

449
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 3: bit more natural look. And the really the hot thing

450
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 3: that I'm seeing now is cellulite treatment. And cellulite is

451
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,880
Speaker 3: something that everybody has. You know, ninety percent of women

452
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 3: have cellulite, and historically there's never been a good solution

453
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,159
Speaker 3: for it. And there's actually a new device on the

454
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,119
Speaker 3: market that I'm really really happy with that allows me

455
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 3: to target those specific bands that cause those dimples. And

456
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,160
Speaker 3: in the past treatments have really failed. So we've always

457
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 3: said there's no good treatment for cellulite. But I kind

458
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 3: of have a good treatment for it now, So I

459
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 3: think that's something that's really popular, and it's a lot

460
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 3: less invasive than it's been in the past. So you know,

461
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 3: that's kind of a trend that I'm seeing and I think.

462
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 2: Wow, road trip, I mean, what are your patients in

463
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 2: terms of age? What is the spread? Look? I mean,

464
00:24:58,000 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 2: is there a need limit?

465
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 3: I mean, there's there's no age limit. Obviously, when you're

466
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 3: having an elective cosmetic procedure, we want to make sure

467
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 3: that you're old enough to understand what you're having done.

468
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,160
Speaker 3: But then there's also the physical things like if you're

469
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 3: if you're having something done to your body, you want

470
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 3: to make sure that your body's developed enough where it's

471
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 3: the right time to do it. So things like those

472
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 3: jobs tend to be something that you know, girls are

473
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,919
Speaker 3: getting and boys are getting when they're like sixteen seventeen.

474
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 3: But other things like breast implants or liposuction, tummy tugs.

475
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 3: I think people are going to be more in their

476
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 3: twenties before they get a procedure like that done.

477
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you ever turn anyone away? Like, do you

478
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 2: ever feel like they don't like would you turn some

479
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 2: away because you don't.

480
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:46,360
Speaker 1: Think that it would enhance them? Or like maybe they're

481
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 1: they're getting too much?

482
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I turn people away all the time.

483
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 3: I mean I probably will turn away about twenty five

484
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 3: percent of the people that come to see me for

485
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 3: a consultation.

486
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 2: Oh way, why what are the reasons I think it's important.

487
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 3: I think that I think of the monsible plastic surgeon

488
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 3: needs to learn how to say no. And there may

489
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 3: be a bunch of reasons. One, maybe what you're asking

490
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:11,159
Speaker 3: for is just not possible, so I have to try to.

491
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 3: You know, I want happy patients. And if I think

492
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 3: that you're asking for something and I can't deliver, then

493
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 3: I'm not going to be the one to try. The

494
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 3: other thing. Maybe that maybe what they're seeing, maybe what

495
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 3: the patient is seeing is wrong with them, isn't really

496
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 3: wrong with them. And that's we get into this whole

497
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 3: discussion about body dysmorphia. I mean, it's a real thing.

498
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,400
Speaker 3: People look in the mirror and they think that their

499
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 3: nose is huge, but their nose really isn't huge, And

500
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 3: no matter what you do, they're still going to see

501
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 3: a huge nose. And that's called body dysmorphia. It's a

502
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:47,120
Speaker 3: real psychiatric condition. And we try to figure out which

503
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 3: patients have that because one we know that surgery will

504
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 3: not correct what they're seeing, and two they're going to

505
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 3: be on They're going to be unhappy.

506
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 1: So do you play therapist in those instance and says like,

507
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: do you have to tell them you're not going to

508
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: be happy no matter what because what you're seeing is

509
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: not real?

510
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 2: Or do you just like tell them know and send

511
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 2: them away.

512
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean it's you know, we kind of say

513
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 3: that sometimes we're a psychiatrist with a knife, you know.

514
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 3: So I think it's important to have an honest discussion.

515
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,199
Speaker 3: So even patients, why I operate on, I will tell them, listen,

516
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 3: I can remove that extra skin. It's going to look

517
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 3: so much better. But you've been unhappy with the way

518
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 3: your stomach has looked for twenty years. So even when

519
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 3: it looks great. In your mind, You're still gonna think

520
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 3: it looks bad because that's just your thing. It's your

521
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 3: it's your thing that bothers you. And most people will say, yeah,

522
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,360
Speaker 3: I get it, you're right, I understand it. So those

523
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 3: are discussions that we always have because there's it's a

524
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 3: lot more goes into plastic surgery than just what happens,

525
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 3: you know, within the walls of my operating room.

526
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,959
Speaker 2: It's interesting when I went for my facelift, I had

527
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 2: a lower facelift and I went in with the intention

528
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 2: of having my entire face lifted. Yeah, my doctor said,

529
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 2: you don't need the upper part lifted. It's just your

530
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 2: you don't need your eyes done. There was all of this.

531
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 2: I was like, well, if I'm gonna do it, let

532
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 2: me really do it. But him saying that to me

533
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 2: made me respect him and trust him so much more. Yeah,

534
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 2: I think it's great. It's great because it would have

535
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 2: been way more expensive obviously to have more done.

536
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 1: Do you think that Instagram filters have played a part

537
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: in younger people wanting more plastic surgery.

538
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, Instagram filters and also if we think back to

539
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 3: you know, when snapchat was really popular, the snapchat filters

540
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 3: kind of started it all. So there was actually something that

541
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 3: you know, I kind of came up with a term

542
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 3: called snapchat dysmorphia, and that kind of got a lot

543
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 3: of play in the press. And that was something that

544
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 3: I saw early on with Snapchat filters, where you know,

545
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 3: people were changing their eyes and their lips and you know,

546
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 3: smoothing their skin. So it absolutely one hundred percent is

547
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 3: you know, it's it's I'm in a weird position because obviously,

548
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 3: I'm a class surgeon, this is my business, this is

549
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 3: my job, it's how I feed my family. But I

550
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 3: have I have a daughter, I have a teenage daughter,

551
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 3: so I'm aware of all these things. And I think

552
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 3: it's important that people are happy with their appearance and

553
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 3: have self confidence and be comfortable in their own skin.

554
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 3: But I also understand that society kind of pushes people

555
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 3: to the other extreme.

556
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 2: So how do you explain that to your daughter. I'm

557
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,239
Speaker 2: so curious as a plastic surgeon, like when she and

558
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 2: she's obviously she's a teenage daughter, so she's definitely getting

559
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 2: bombarded with these images. Does she say to you, daddy,

560
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 2: my turn, Like, my daddy is a plastic surgeon, so kelp.

561
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 3: I mean luckily, luckily, she's been exposed to it for

562
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 3: her whole life. So you know, when she was little

563
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 3: and would take my phone and scroll through the photo roles,

564
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 3: it would be like family, family, family, patient, family, patient,

565
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 3: operating room, patient, family. So she's kind of she's kind

566
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 3: of been desensitized a little bit to it. But but

567
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 3: I mean, there may become a point where you know,

568
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 3: she comes up to me and says, this is I'd

569
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 3: like to change this about myself. And I think as

570
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 3: long as as long as she understands that that will

571
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 3: change her appearance, but it's not going to change it's

572
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 3: not going to change herself some worth, then I think

573
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 3: that that's that's the distinction people people need to make.

574
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, great, can we ask you about some celebrities and

575
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: what they might have had done?

576
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 3: Sure?

577
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 2: Okay, So look, can we just start with Chloe Kardashian

578
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 2: because she has lately looked like an entirely different person.

579
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 2: Is that just integram filters or has she completely changed

580
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 2: her appearance?

581
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 3: You know there are certain people like the Kardashians in particular.

582
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 3: Are we gonna put a disclaimer so that Chris doesn't

583
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 3: sue me? No? I think there's there's certain people that

584
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 3: are very savvy about filters and lighting and photo editing

585
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 3: and things. So when you see pictures of celebrities, sometimes

586
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 3: it's not always surgical. Sometimes it's just photoheading. I think

587
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 3: you combine that with with constant fluctuations and weight, which

588
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 3: will really change someone's appearance, combined with having you know,

589
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 3: unlimited wealth where you can you can do anything you

590
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 3: want yourself. It becomes really muddled figuring out what certain

591
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 3: people have had. But I think that I think that

592
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 3: people definitely you combine, you combine you know, increase in

593
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 3: weight with decreasing weight, and you kind of do that rapidly,

594
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 3: with rapid fluctuations. Plus a lot of fillers and and

595
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 3: non surgical treatments can start to distort things a little bit.

596
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 2: Is it hard when you do these procedures on someone's

597
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 2: body because of the fluctuations in weight? So for instance,

598
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 2: if you're doing a Tommy tuck and this person comes

599
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 2: to you and is heavier, do you want that person

600
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 2: to lose weight first? Just because of if you do

601
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 2: the time and top and then they gain weight and

602
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 2: it's going to affect your results.

603
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I personally think that everybody should be at

604
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 3: whatever their whatever their normal weight is before they do

605
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 3: anything to their body. And it doesn't mean their weight

606
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 3: has to be the textbook perfect weight. It just means

607
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 3: whatever your normal weight is. If you're normally sitting at,

608
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 3: you know, whatever, one hundred and fifty pounds, then you

609
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 3: should have surgery when you're one hundred and fifty, not

610
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 3: when you're one hundred and seventy. So I never want

611
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 3: to do surgeries on people when they're kind of at

612
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 3: their peak, because that naturally is when people like want

613
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 3: to run in to see me when they're, you know,

614
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 3: had the kind of a rough couple months, and they're

615
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 3: up twenty pounds. You want to get down to your

616
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 3: normal weight. And that's because, like you said, if I

617
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 3: do the surgery and then your weight goes down or

618
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 3: goes up, the results can change.

619
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 2: That's for the phase too, right for anywhere.

620
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 3: I mean, you're everything changes with weight, and you can't

621
00:32:58,120 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 3: always predict how it's going to.

622
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: So you can't tell anything because people look totally different.

623
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: Like last week, my mother came over to light Honika

624
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: candles and I showed her what you can do. I

625
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: turned her into like a redhead with long hair.

626
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 2: With makeup on. She had never seen any of this

627
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 2: shit before. She was like, what did you do to me?

628
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 2: How can you do that? You know what? I hesitate

629
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 2: to use filters. I really don't use them on my

630
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 2: social media only because the jig is up. Like, if

631
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 2: you're on TV, you're gonna people are gonna find out

632
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 2: that you don't look airbrushed, right, Like, well, not everyone's

633
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 2: on TV. But even with that, though you run into people,

634
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 2: you're true what you look like is coming out. Do

635
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 2: people ask you to reverse stuff ever? Yeah?

636
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 3: I mean it's so sometimes it's a reversal and sometimes

637
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 3: it's just kind of downsizing. So specifically with the Brazilian

638
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 3: butt lift, you know, this whole trend of BBL reversals,

639
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 3: they're not really reversals because we're not trying to get

640
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 3: them back to what they were before surgery. We're just

641
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 3: trying to make them a little smaller, so it's more

642
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 3: like a reduction. Same thing with breast. You know, breast

643
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 3: and plants are very different now than they were ten

644
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 3: years ago. Like we're putting in smaller implants than we

645
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 3: were back then. So women are coming in and they

646
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 3: want to downsize. So I guess it's sort of a reversal,

647
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 3: but it's not really reversal because they don't want to

648
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 3: go back to what they look like before implants. They

649
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 3: just want to be a little bit smaller than they are.

650
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 1: Now. What happens if you get a mommy makeover and

651
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: then you have another baby? Does that, like tummy tuck

652
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 1: go out the window? Do you have to get it

653
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: all done again?

654
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 3: Not necessarily so obviously, if someone comes in for a

655
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 3: tummy tuck, I ask them, are you done having kids?

656
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 3: And you know they'll say yes, But I get it.

657
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 3: Things happen. So if someone's planning on having more children,

658
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 3: I tell them, wait, let's just when you think you're done,

659
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 3: then we'll put you back together. But if someone does

660
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 3: get pregnant after a tummy tuck, it may loosen things

661
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 3: up so it doesn't look as good, but it probably

662
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 3: won't go back to the way it was before the surgery,

663
00:34:58,280 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 3: because you know.

664
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 2: I had a tummy tuck, and then since I've been

665
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 2: up and down, my weight has been up and down.

666
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 2: I always like to say, like I broke through the

667
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 2: tummy tuck, so my stomach that was so tight after

668
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 2: the tummy tuck, it's definitely loosened up, and the muscles

669
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 2: have loosened up as well. I mean, you can blame

670
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 2: that on a lot of things besides brownies and not

671
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 2: doing sit ups. But I do notice that with time

672
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 2: it's certainly not what it was.

673
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 3: Well, I think that you know, with anything you do,

674
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 3: you know, having a good lifestyle and you know, you know,

675
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 3: proper diet and exercise, you have to maintain the results.

676
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 3: But also body still ages. So I tell people plastic

677
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 3: surgery doesn't stop the clock, it just turns it back.

678
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 3: So if I do a facelift on you and you

679
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 3: look ten or fifteen years younger, it doesn't. It doesn't

680
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 3: mean you're not going to age. It just means that

681
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 3: you're always going to be about ten or fifteen years younger.

682
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 3: Same thing with breastwork and tummy work. It just things

683
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 3: just get looser and crinklier and saggier over time. So

684
00:35:59,239 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 3: it's still.

685
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: I mean, is time really worse to women than it

686
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: is to men? I mean, you look at somebody like

687
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: George Clooney and they say men get better with age,

688
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,760
Speaker 1: and I feel like society says that women fall apart,

689
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: Like is that true medically?

690
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 2: Yeah?

691
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 3: I mean I think it's I mean, there's a double standard.

692
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 3: I mean then you know, as a man, I'm okay

693
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 3: with it, I guess, because you know, then when I age,

694
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 3: I'll have wrinkles and I'll look more distinguished and I'll

695
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 3: look more you know, more worldly. But when women get

696
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 3: those same things, they're they're judged. So it's it's an

697
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 3: unfair double standard, but it's true. You know, that's why

698
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 3: men men don't often get facelifts. You can do it,

699
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 3: and if a man gets a facelift, you have to

700
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 3: be really careful because you don't want to overtighten them

701
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 3: because then you can feminize their appearance and they can

702
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:53,240
Speaker 3: look weird. So whenever I do like male classic surgery,

703
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,399
Speaker 3: even male tummy tucks, because I do male tummy tucks,

704
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 3: you know the men that have lost weight, and I

705
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 3: don't pull them as tight or try to snatch their

706
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 3: weight like I do for women. I'm trying to get

707
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 3: them to look kind of straight in boxy, because that's

708
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 3: a masculine look. But if I did that result on you,

709
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 3: you would come back and be unhappy and you would.

710
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 2: Say find that a man.

711
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: If a man wants a tummy tuck, is he more

712
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: like secretive and shameful about it than a woman.

713
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 3: Yes, but I think it's changing. I think that I

714
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 3: think that men still represent only a small portion of

715
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 3: plastic surgery patients, about fifteen to twenty percent, but I

716
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 3: think they're becoming a little bit more open, you know.

717
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 3: I think now you know everybody, you know, everybody's taking

718
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 3: weight loss medications, and so, yeah.

719
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 2: How has that impacted everything?

720
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 3: Well, I mean it's definitely. You know, it's interesting because

721
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 3: when I first started doing plastic surgery, I was doing

722
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 3: a ton of body contouring after weight loss. And that's

723
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 3: because I trained it. I trained at Mount sein and

724
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 3: I where you know, bariatric surgery had his birth. So

725
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 3: I was dealing with people that lost one hundred pounds,

726
00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 3: two hundred pounds after a gastric bypass and gastric slaves

727
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 3: and all sorts of really invasive bariatric surgery. And that

728
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 3: started to die down because it's a very invasive surgery.

729
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 3: But now you're starting to see that weight loss pick

730
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 3: up again because everybody, I mean, everybody's taking the medication.

731
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 3: So we're seeing a lot of people come in and

732
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 3: they've lost weight, they've lost weight rapidly, So you know,

733
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 3: forty fifty pounds over three four months is pretty quick,

734
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 3: but that's kind of typical. And so they're coming in

735
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 3: and they need the skin removed. So we're seeing a real,

736
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 3: really big uptick in body contouring after weight loss procedures.

737
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,439
Speaker 2: Doctor Schulman with that because I'm on semi glue tide

738
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 2: and I've lost well over a little over twenty pounds,

739
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 2: but my skin is it's a whole different ballgame now.

740
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 2: And my legs specifically, the skin just hangs right. And

741
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 2: what I have heard that a thigh lift is really

742
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 2: not only really difficult, but the scars are horrendous. Is

743
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 2: there a way to fix the legs the knees?

744
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 3: It's hard because you know, when you're dealing with legs,

745
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 3: you're dealing with gravity. So you can never pull the

746
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 3: skin up as tight as you can pull in the mirror.

747
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:18,280
Speaker 3: So it's hard because everything's fighting that and so legs

748
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 3: are hard, and you raise a good point and you know,

749
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 3: I can remove skin from anywhere in your body. I

750
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 3: can get you tight and you know, nothing hanging, but

751
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 3: the trade off is scars. So we're trying to do

752
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 3: procedures where we can do it in a way where

753
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 3: the scars are hit it, so there are thighs.

754
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you need to do that now.

755
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, well, you know, when you're dealing with

756
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 3: a lot of extra skin, sometimes the trade off is

757
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 3: you need more scars. But thighlifts can be done with

758
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 3: just the incision in the in the crease of the groin. Really,

759
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 3: I really try not to do that thlift where the

760
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 3: scar goes down the inside of the leg. Now, someone

761
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 3: may need it, but they may understand that, Yeah, I'd

762
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 3: rather leave you with a little bit of extra skin

763
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 3: and have you be able to wear shorts. Then feel like,

764
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 3: even if you have no extra skin in your thighs

765
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 3: are really tight. You have those scars, and you're not

766
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 3: going to ever want to show those scars.

767
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 2: You're killing me, doctor Schulman, because I said, literally in

768
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 2: this episode before you came on, that I'm trying to

769
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 2: reconcile myself to the pack that I'm fifty five and

770
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 2: because i have all this loose skin, I'm just going

771
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,879
Speaker 2: to live with it. And now I can't get off

772
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 2: this podcast fast enough to call your office.

773
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: Well, here's a question that we started with, which is

774
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: you know, Jen was recently kind of shamed for using

775
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: Gozambic by somebody who told her.

776
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:38,760
Speaker 2: To get on a fucking treadmill.

777
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 1: And then this same person went out and had a

778
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,919
Speaker 1: tummy tuck, And so the person justified their tummy tuck

779
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 1: by saying that she did everything she could to get

780
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: to try to fix it herself before she.

781
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 2: Got the tummy tuck.

782
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,879
Speaker 1: So I guess her question is do in an ideal world,

783
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 1: would somebody have to earn their plastic surgery by trying

784
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 1: everything else first? Or is it okay to just do

785
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: what makes you feel good?

786
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 3: So I think it's okay to just do it. However,

787
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 3: there's gonna be a caveat. The caveat is that you

788
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:15,720
Speaker 3: really should have a healthy lifestyle. So there are people

789
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 3: that exercise six days a week, eat really well, and

790
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 3: they're still heavy, And I think that's okay. I think

791
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 3: that's a person who, yes, I can do liposuch, Let

792
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 3: me do LiPo such and help you get off the

793
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 3: fat that you can't get off. Let me get that

794
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 3: skin off that you can't get off through diet and exercise.

795
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 3: But if there's somebody that just doesn't do anything and

796
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 3: just kind of sits on their couch and you know,

797
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 3: is eating and not doing anything and then they have

798
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 3: this extra fat. I don't think that's a good idea

799
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 3: because because things that I do are contouring procedures, they're

800
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 3: not weight loss procedures.

801
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,399
Speaker 2: They won't get the result or that they'll they'll will

802
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 2: and then they'll they'll break through the result. Or do

803
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,760
Speaker 2: you think it's not okay? I guess we're talking about

804
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 2: you have to sort of like earn your right to

805
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 2: plastic surgery.

806
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 3: So in other words, no, I don't think it's a day.

807
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 3: I don't think people have to earn their right. I

808
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 3: think that's I think if people want to do it,

809
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 3: they should do it. I think it's more like you

810
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 3: said first that that you know, I'm trying to give

811
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 3: results that I know are going to last and are

812
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 3: going to be can be done safely. And if someone

813
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 3: has a has an unhealthy lifestyle, they're unlikely to get

814
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 3: a great result, and they're unlikely to get a result

815
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 3: that's going to last.

816
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 2: And that's a very different thing. I think that's so

817
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 2: interesting because what you're saying is that it's not that

818
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 2: you're saying to people. Listen, you haven't tried everything yet, so.

819
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 3: I'm not going.

820
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 2: If somebody comes to you with like I had tubular

821
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 2: breasts as a kid, like, there's nothing I could have

822
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 2: done about it, right, I couldn't have changed the shape

823
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 2: of my breasts. But if somebody comes to you and

824
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 2: you know, wants to get liposuction, and it's not that

825
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 2: you're saying you have to try to lose weight first,

826
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 2: You're more saying that I'm afraid that your result won't

827
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 2: be what you want, especially if you're if you're going

828
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 2: to continue with your unhealthy life style.

829
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know I look at this. I you know,

830
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,879
Speaker 3: when i'm evaluating a person, I'm looking at them as

831
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not being judging. You know, it's not

832
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 3: my job to judge you. It's my job to figure

833
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 3: out does what you're asking for is what you're asking

834
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 3: for a possible can I do it in a safe

835
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 3: way and give you the results that you want. So,

836
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 3: for example, if you come in and you want lip bosuction,

837
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,399
Speaker 3: you're not really exercising, I may tell you, why don't

838
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 3: you try to exercise lose some weight so that your

839
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 3: body gets rid of the fat that it can get

840
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 3: rid of naturally, and then I can concentrate on those

841
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 3: areas that don't go away, and I think that's that's

842
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 3: a good way to do it from a surgical perspective.

843
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 3: I'm not doing it to like tell someone stopping lazy

844
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,240
Speaker 3: go exercise. It's really just about, you know, I'm looking

845
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 3: at how to get them the best result, because, as

846
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 3: you alluded to, if you lose weight quickly, your skin

847
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 3: doesn't recover very well. So the skin just kind of

848
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 3: gets loose. So if I do liposuction on somebody, they're

849
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 3: losing that weight in the matter of just a few hours.

850
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 3: So if they have a lot of fat, that skin

851
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 3: can end up being a little bit loose after. But

852
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 3: if they go an exercise and they take three, four, five,

853
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 3: six months to lose half that weight, their skin has

854
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 3: enough time to tighten up so that when I do

855
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 3: the liposuction, they'll get a much better result and their

856
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,720
Speaker 3: skin's gonna look better. So there's ways to go about

857
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 3: it to give the best result. And sometimes the reason

858
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 3: sometimes the answer is lose some weight on your own.

859
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 3: But again it's not to judge them, it's really to

860
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 3: help them get a better result.

861
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 2: Why do you think there is so much judgment around?

862
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 2: You know, people doing plastic surgery, and there are so

863
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 2: many there's so much shame around it. I mean, jack

864
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 2: and I were talking about this at the top of

865
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 2: the show. But don't feel shame around happy that money.

866
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 2: I mean, it is Jackie, and we don't lie about it.

867
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 2: We're both very upfront and honest. But there is so

868
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 2: much of that. What do you think that's about.

869
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 3: I think I think a lot of it is jealousy.

870
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 3: I think a lot of it is just you know,

871
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 3: some of the people that judge you are people that

872
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 3: would do the same thing if they had the means,

873
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 3: and I think that that's part of it. I don't

874
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 3: think it's as bad as it used to be. I

875
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 3: mean ten years ago, fifteen years ago, I think people

876
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 3: were very closeted about plastic surgery. So I think it's

877
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 3: much better now. And I think it's because a lot

878
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 3: of it is generational. I think that, you know, younger

879
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 3: generations are are much more, much more open and willing

880
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 3: to admit to having things done, you know, partly because

881
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 3: of social media. But again, I think a lot of

882
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:40,760
Speaker 3: it is a lot of it is jealousy, and you know, people,

883
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 3: a lot of people who criticize would be in my

884
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 3: office tomorrow if they could.

885
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: Among classic surgeons, do they talk about the housewives world

886
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: as being like crazy full of plastic surgery or is

887
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 1: that just so like omnipresent for us because we're in

888
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: that world, Like is that a known thing?

889
00:45:58,960 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 2: Yeah?

890
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 3: No, I mean I don't think it's. I don't think so.

891
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 3: I don't think I think a lot of it is. Probably.

892
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 3: I mean, you're obviously getting it. You're gonna you're gonna

893
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 3: be biased about it because you're seeing a lot of there.

894
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 3: You're obviously seeing the press and the media that that

895
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 3: may be focused about negative things around the housewives. But

896
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 3: I don't I think as a plastic surgeon community, nobody,

897
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:22,399
Speaker 3: you know.

898
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 2: We don't really talk about it.

899
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't really sit around and say, like, you

900
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 3: know what people had done or who's had bad work done?

901
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 2: Busy, Yeah, you're busy. Okay, Wait a no zempic question.

902
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: I have heard that ozempic has been complicating things for

903
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 1: plastic surgeons because your stomach doesn't fully empty, right, and

904
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: so when you do anesthesia, that's a problem.

905
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's interesting because you know when and I

906
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 3: was just talking about this yesterday with my anisesiologists because

907
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 3: about a year and a half ago when people were

908
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 3: first starting to take ozembic, but no one really knew

909
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 3: too much about it. You know, there were some patients

910
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 3: where know, as you know, you have to be NPO

911
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 3: means don't eat anything for about eight hours before surgery,

912
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 3: and that's to make your stomach empty so that during

913
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 3: surgery and during the anesthesia you don't throw up and

914
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 3: potentially breathe it in and aspirin and have complications. So

915
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:19,720
Speaker 3: there were some patients who who after the anesthesia would

916
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 3: would throw up and there would definitely be gastric contents,

917
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 3: there would be stuff in the stomach, and we were like,

918
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 3: this is so weird, Like I know, they didn't eat

919
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 3: their compliant patients and after the fact in retrospect, we're

920
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 3: like that so is empic because it delays the gastric

921
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 3: emptying and now take it may take two days for

922
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 3: your stomach to empty.

923
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 2: So what do you do.

924
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 3: Well, now, we tell our patients that they need to

925
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 3: stop the medication for two weeks before surgery to allow

926
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 3: the gastric empty to kind of get to normal. And

927
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 3: then people that have been on it for an extended

928
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,280
Speaker 3: period of time, we may even say four weeks before surgery,

929
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 3: because it may take that long for your stomach to

930
00:47:58,440 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 3: kind of catch.

931
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: Up as opposed to one night as opposed to eight hours,

932
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: four weeks as opposed to eight hours.

933
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 3: Well, so it may take four weeks for your stomach

934
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 3: to kind of start emptying normal again. Oh but if

935
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 3: you're but if you're on ozempic, the food that you ate,

936
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 3: you know, yesterday morning is still in there.

937
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 2: I had recently had a colonoscopy and I had to

938
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 2: stop taking I'm on semi glue tide and I want

939
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 2: to say a week before I had to stop taking it,

940
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 2: and that was for a colonoskby that was just for

941
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 2: getting you know, put under. Wow.

942
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think a week's probably a week probably

943
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 3: isn't even long enough, you know, I think it's it's

944
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 3: got to be about two weeks.

945
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 2: Wow. Wow. Do you ever get people who are scared

946
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:41,479
Speaker 2: to stop and just don't come back.

947
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 3: No, No, because because these are all people that so

948
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 3: you know, they so they're gonna have They're gonna have

949
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 3: the surgery no matter what. So you know, they have

950
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 3: to stopping and they have to stop smoking. So you know,

951
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 3: those are two difficult things for a lot.

952
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 2: Oh, right, right? How does you know?

953
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: When I was a kid, and I think we're all

954
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 1: in the same like kind of age group. But when

955
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,240
Speaker 1: I was a kid, there was a woman named Joscelyn

956
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 1: Wildenstein and she, yeah, she was called the catwoman.

957
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 2: How does one.

958
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: Come like? What are your how do you get so

959
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: much put? Is that so much classics? I don't even

960
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: know what I'm asking, Like, how the fuck do you

961
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: end up looking like Joscelyn Wildenstein?

962
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that it's unfortunate because I think

963
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 3: it's probably a combination of you know, again, I don't

964
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 3: know her, I don't know anything about her her psychiatric background,

965
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 3: but there probably there has to be some degree of

966
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 3: psychiatric disease in there somewhere. And then you combine that

967
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 3: with doctors who need to learn how to say no,

968
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 3: and and I think that sometimes, you know, we can't

969
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,800
Speaker 3: you know, it's a plastics certain I can't cure people's

970
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,280
Speaker 3: you know, psychiatric issues, but I can be the final

971
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,320
Speaker 3: point where I say no, You're not to be the

972
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 3: one to do the surgery. Unfortunately, there's greedy people out there,

973
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 3: and there are people, you know, I'm I'm in New

974
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 3: York City when I tell a patient, I'm if I

975
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 3: say no to you, I know you're going to go

976
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 3: down the street and you'll find someone that'll say yes.

977
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 3: But in my honest opinion, you shouldn't do the surgery.

978
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 3: And hopefully they don't, but they but a lot of

979
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 3: them do the surgery. And the worst thing about it

980
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 3: is sometimes I even see those patients come back and

981
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 3: they did what I told them not to do with

982
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 3: another doctor, and now they're back to me and they

983
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 3: want me to try to fix it, and it becomes

984
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 3: very difficult.

985
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 2: As a plastic surgeon. It's not it can't just be

986
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 2: a science. I feel like it has to be also

987
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 2: an art right, I mean, it's I think of it

988
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 2: that way anyway. I mean, do you I doubt you've

989
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 2: had many are there surgery that you do where you

990
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 2: just can't sort of like control the fact that something

991
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 2: happened or didn't come out right, or you know, what

992
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 2: do you do with that?

993
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 3: So so there's definitely an artistic component. So I think

994
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 3: that all plastic surgeons have have to have some sort

995
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 3: of artistic ability or at least have like that that

996
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 3: ability to conceptualize, Like you remember, like in school when

997
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 3: you had to do those tests where it was like

998
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 3: the cube and it was opened up on paper and

999
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 3: you had to like pick the choice of what it

1000
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 3: looked like when all the paper was folded. Do you

1001
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:33,919
Speaker 3: know what I'm talking about?

1002
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, blocked it.

1003
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 3: So those are the type of things that as a

1004
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 3: plastic surgeon we have to think about because you know,

1005
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 3: we have to see how things are going to end

1006
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 3: up three dimensionally. And but the but the toughest part

1007
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 3: is it's not it's not mold and clay. It's a

1008
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 3: human body and everyone's skin acts differently, everyone heals differently.

1009
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 3: Some patients are going to be compliant. Some patients aren't

1010
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 3: going to listen to a word I say and and

1011
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 3: just do anything not to do, and and they can

1012
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 3: end up with a bad result. So I think the

1013
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:07,760
Speaker 3: key is to obviously do not do so much where

1014
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 3: you can get yourself into trouble, and also always have

1015
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 3: a plan for Yeah, I mean, listen, I'd like to

1016
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 3: think I'm pretty good, but I still have to do

1017
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 3: revision surgeries on my patients, and they're usually small. You know,

1018
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 3: there's always gonna be some degree of asymmetry. And I

1019
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 3: tell my patients, you know, your left side and your

1020
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,399
Speaker 3: right side is always gonna be a little different. You're

1021
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 3: going to notice it, and I'm going to notice it.

1022
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 3: But other people on the beach aren't.

1023
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 2: But if they get so, it's also a degree of

1024
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 2: pain in the ass nets I'm sure.

1025
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean everybody, Yeah, everybody wants perfection. And

1026
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 3: you know, no matter what I tell them that, I

1027
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 3: can't make you perfect. And they say, okay, no, I

1028
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 3: understand that. And then they come back in six months

1029
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 3: and they say, but it's not perfect. It's like I

1030
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 3: had this discussion, so yeah, makes better. And and so

1031
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 3: there's always there's always the option for opportunity for like

1032
00:52:57,960 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 3: small procedures and stuff to kind of make the results

1033
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 3: her and and and unfortunately, there are some situations where

1034
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 3: you know you have to tell the patient you look great.

1035
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:10,879
Speaker 3: I know you don't look as good as you think

1036
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:12,720
Speaker 3: you want to look, but this is as good as

1037
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 3: it's gonna get. And you know you're gonna have to

1038
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 3: accept this, and most people do unless they have some

1039
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 3: of those little bit of dysmorphia that I didn't pick

1040
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 3: up on.

1041
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1042
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 1: Well, I for one, I'm very grateful for doctors like

1043
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: you who will tell people no, because I do feel

1044
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 1: like I really kind of like plastic surgery, and I

1045
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: would hope that someone would turn me away if I

1046
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: come knocking for a thing that I don't need.

1047
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 2: I feel like such an idiot because again, at the

1048
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 2: top of this podcast, I talked about how my friend

1049
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 2: and Florida said, it is enough, Jen, because my legs

1050
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 2: are just they just look so old and saggy. And

1051
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 2: now you said something about the groin and I'm gonna

1052
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 2: hang yea out and I'm calling you.

1053
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 3: Come come see me. And as you know, I already

1054
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 3: said I have no problem saying no to people, so

1055
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 3: maybe I'll maybe I say no, I'll come.

1056
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 2: I'll come with her so I could see you in person. Yeah. Well,

1057
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,919
Speaker 2: thank you so much. This is great, very interesting. Thank

1058
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 2: you so much, and we'll talk to you soon and.

1059
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,760
Speaker 3: See you guys. Bye bye.

1060
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 2: Thank you. If you like him, I mean, how do

1061
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 2: you not like him? I know he's horrible, He's great.

1062
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:25,399
Speaker 2: I'm honest and like cool and trustworthy, right yeah, yeah, yeah,

1063
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 2: I've heard great things and yeah, but I always knew

1064
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 2: that he was like a butt lift guy. Really yeah, everything.

1065
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's funny because do you go when you

1066
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 2: pick a plastic surgeon, do you look for one that

1067
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 2: is specializing in exactly what you want done? Because I

1068
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:42,839
Speaker 2: know that like a lot of plastic surgeons will say

1069
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 2: they can do the entire body and the face. I don't.

1070
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, I guess, So I mean, you wouldn't

1071
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: want a jack of all trades. But I have a

1072
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Speaker 1: funny butt story.

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Speaker 2: So you were you were called back with a crowd act, right,

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Speaker 2: So I used to be called low crack jack. I

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Speaker 2: have a really low crack. Is that t M? I

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Speaker 2: I think that's anyway.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, So I have like a really flat and like

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Speaker 1: I almost don't really care because like there's nothing I

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Speaker 1: can do about it, and I'm not about I actually

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Speaker 1: like to run. I'm a runner, but I don't enjoy

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Speaker 1: doing like lunges or anything like that. And the amount

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Speaker 1: of lunges that I would have to do to have

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Speaker 1: an ass is just unfathomable.

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Speaker 2: So I've always just accepted that I have a flat

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Speaker 2: ass with whatever.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, so I at one point did ask about

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Speaker 1: what I could do non surgically to have some volume

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Speaker 1: in my ass, and I was told that I could

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Speaker 1: have injections and that that's what the Kardashians do, and

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00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:41,799
Speaker 1: they have hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of injections

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Speaker 1: in their ass. So I was like, all right, let's

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Speaker 1: inject my ass. So I had probably like eight huge

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Speaker 1: vials on one side of my ass and six huge

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Speaker 1: vials on the other side.

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Speaker 2: And it did as fuckingly nothing.

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Speaker 1: What it did?

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Speaker 2: Nothing? It did nothing? How much of a ca a

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00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 2: lot of money. That's a bummer. So you have other

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Speaker 2: plastic surgery, you had ass surgery.

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Speaker 1: It's not plastic surgery. No, that's non surgical. It's like

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Speaker 1: ass filler.

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Speaker 2: And it did not.

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00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 1: But it's not filler. It's supposed to increase the and

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Speaker 1: it's not the doctor's cault. The doctor is fantastic the

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00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: it's supposed to like like stimulate the collagen.

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Speaker 2: I guess I don't know it has Doctor Shulman wouldn't

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Speaker 2: have gotten that wrong. Sorry, no it's not she didn't

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Speaker 2: get it wrong. It just I don't know if my ass.

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Speaker 1: Just ate it. And like I was like, fuck you, Jackie,

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Speaker 1: We're not giving you an ass No matter what I pissed,

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00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:38,879
Speaker 1: I know there was nothing I could do. I think

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Speaker 1: I think that if you get those ass fillers, I

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00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 1: think you just need like tons and tons and tons

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00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 1: of that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I never wanted my ass filled ever, but

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00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:49,479
Speaker 2: now I just want to lift it. And I'm really

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00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:52,320
Speaker 2: pissed about this whole episode because of the top of it.

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00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm done, and now doctor Shulman and

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00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,319
Speaker 2: I'm like, I know a second lunch to get that

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Speaker 2: just done. I mean, I'm not gonna lie. There's more

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Speaker 2: shit I want to get done. But Evan doesn't like

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00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,320
Speaker 2: when I get too much. Evan doesn't like it. I

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Speaker 2: haven't gotten anything. I don't even talk to Jeff about it.

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Speaker 2: I just sign up. Well really, I mean, it's always

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Speaker 2: good sick surgery.

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Speaker 1: I mean tattoos. I don't tell Evan. I just come

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00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:12,320
Speaker 1: home with a new tattoo.

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Speaker 2: The truth is, of course I tell Jeff I need

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Speaker 2: him to pick me up from the's office afterwards, but

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Speaker 2: definitely not probably the like not at the point of consultation.

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Speaker 2: After I sort of made my mind up because he'll

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Speaker 2: always say no. Not no, is in you can't do this.

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Speaker 2: No because he thinks you look beautiful. No because he.

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Speaker 1: Thinks it's just like you're aging and it's stupid and

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00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: it's so much money and like, why are you so

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00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: obsessed with your physical Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Well, can I tell you what I don't want? Please?

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Speaker 1: Yesterday I was sitting at my kids basketball game and

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Speaker 1: I felt my lower lip getting swollen.

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Speaker 2: And I woke up this morning and it's so goddamn swollen.

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00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 2: I look at this. I do not.

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Speaker 1: Want anymore because my lip looks absolutely ridiculous. That like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, once or twice a year, oh sleeping

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00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: and he wakes up and I die by his face,

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00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 1: looks he.

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Speaker 2: My lip is so goddamn bad, like and one of

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00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 2: it is just huge. It's the greatest morning. I took

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Speaker 2: up ben Benjo last night.

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Speaker 1: I took it.

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Speaker 2: Do you think so? Yeah, yours looks like right? Tell

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Speaker 2: me that I'll go get more. No, see, it's bad time.

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Speaker 1: I do think at a certain point, listen, I think

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Speaker 1: that you do not you absolutely do not need to

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00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 1: earn your plastic surgery, get whatever makes you feel good.

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Speaker 1: But I also think that at a certain point you

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Speaker 1: kind of have to accept what God gave you.

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Speaker 2: When is I don't know. I'm telling you. My whole

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00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 2: opinion about that changed over the last hour. I don't

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00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 2: know what to tell you. I thought I was done. Well,

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Speaker 2: Oh well, you never have to make that decision. Just

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Speaker 2: see what life brings. Yes, think you're beautiful. Oh but

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Speaker 2: don't give a shit what you think. I'm calling doctor Schulmo.

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Speaker 1: All right, you guys, until next time, Happy New Year,

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Speaker 1: Happy New Year everybody. If one of your New Year's

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Speaker 1: resolutions is to get plastic surgery.

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Speaker 2: Just now, you don't need to earn it first. Love that. Also,

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Speaker 2: by the way, I wish for all of our listeners

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Speaker 2: and for us just to feel good, feel good about yourselves.

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Speaker 2: We're trying to feel good about ourselves.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying. It's not always easy. Yeah, but you know

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Speaker 1: I'm going to start meditating.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 1: I heard that makes you feel good, It makes you

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Speaker 1: some inner peace. I need some inner piece. I've never

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00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 1: tried inner piece, all the piece, all the.

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Speaker 2: Piece pieces of me. All right, love you guys. I