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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay, Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome everybody. Monday edition of Clay and

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Speaker 1: Buck kicks off right now. We've got a lot of

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Speaker 1: stories to get through, a lot to talk about all

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Speaker 1: across this great land of ours. Attorney General Merrick Garland

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Speaker 1: was on TV over the weekend insisting that dej officials

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Speaker 1: do not allow partisan considerations to play any role in

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Speaker 1: their determination. Sure, we'll discuss that. You have Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: appearing in his fraud trial in New York City. We'll

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Speaker 1: have some updates on that one for you. They are

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Speaker 1: coming at Trump not only in four different criminal indictments,

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Speaker 1: but also civil civil assault using the legal system against

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. Clay and I haven't gotten to talk together

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Speaker 1: yet here on air about the possibility of an RFK Junior. Well,

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Speaker 1: we've talked at the possibility, but RFK Junior has brought

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Speaker 1: up that this may actually happen. Something to discuss the

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Speaker 1: likely new senator from the state of California, certainly a

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Speaker 1: topic we should be discussing. You've got a couple scientists

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Speaker 1: enable the mRNA vaccines development to fight against COVID feels

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Speaker 1: like it feels like maybe a little bit of politics

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Speaker 1: out recently. So we'll have that conversation here as well.

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Speaker 1: But of all the things that I saw, and I

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Speaker 1: moved on Friday, so I was really I was out

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Speaker 1: of the news cycle. I was clay stacking boxes and

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Speaker 1: carrying them and complaining about my lower back and doing

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Speaker 1: the things that one does during a move. The government

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Speaker 1: getting funded not a surprise, and I know that there

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Speaker 1: are people we can talk about it. The back and

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Speaker 1: forth with Speaker Kevin McCarthy and did he sell out?

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Speaker 1: And is he the McCarthy that people thought he was

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Speaker 1: until about what was it the beginning of this year

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Speaker 1: or no, yes, the beginning of this year when he

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Speaker 1: on him, Speaker McCarthy. Seems like maybe some people have

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a different opinion right now. But

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Speaker 1: the most interesting thing that I saw, the moment when

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Speaker 1: I was thinking, Wow, this is what it's fun to

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Speaker 1: be on radio Clay, this is when you have something

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Speaker 1: to discuss, is the pulling of a fire alarm by

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Speaker 1: Congressman Jamal Bowman, and the efforts to try to explain

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Speaker 1: this away over the course of the weekend. The decision

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Speaker 1: that they were going to back this up Clay was

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Speaker 1: absolutely crazy. Wait here we go. Here is MSNBC. So

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Speaker 1: just so we're all clear that they're trying to have

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Speaker 1: so they can't hold the vote. Right, that's the video.

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Speaker 1: These are the facts of the case. They are not

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Speaker 1: in dispute. Everyone agrees. Here is MSNBC trying to explain

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Speaker 2: For there was a mention of Jamal Bowman. Congressman Jamal

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Speaker 2: Bowman and the pulling of some sort of fire alarm.

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Speaker 2: I just want to read for you some of the

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Speaker 2: reporting so you understand what actually went on there. There

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Speaker 2: who is seen pulling some sort of fire alarm in

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Speaker 2: statement on that saying Congressman Bowman did not realize he

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Speaker 2: make an urgent vote. The congressman regrets any confusion. Just

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Speaker 1: I just just to clarify, Clay, how many accidental fire

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Speaker 3: And I think this is one so fun because it's

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Speaker 3: have done this two buck. In fact, I did it

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Speaker 3: recently at a New York City hotel. There was a

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Speaker 3: You're like, yeah, I don't think the emergency alarm is

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Speaker 3: I've never set off an alert emergency alarm on a

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Speaker 3: But to make the decision to pull the alarm on

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Speaker 3: And so I just I don't know what the consequences

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Speaker 3: very intentional and it appears designed to create more time

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Speaker 1: When there was.

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Speaker 3: Certainly a rush job at a foot to try to

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Speaker 1: I mean, what's your take.

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Speaker 3: Should he be prosecuted criminally? In your mind, it is

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Speaker 3: such a stupid thing to do, right, But the precedent

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Speaker 3: they've set is full extent of the law prosecution for

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Speaker 3: stupid things that truly weren't threats. I mean, if you're

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Speaker 3: in the Capitol, then a congress person pulling a fire

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Speaker 3: alarm intentionally seems like it should be criminal. It's definitely

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Speaker 3: a crime.

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Speaker 1: The question is will they prosecute and what would the

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Speaker 1: punishment be. Look, this happened when I was in college.

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Speaker 1: People would do this. They would get drunk and perhaps

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Speaker 1: This this was a We had a plague of this

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Speaker 1: People would pull the fire alarm because the fire trucks

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Speaker 3: By the way, And also the result of this is

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Speaker 3: when you have all these false fire alarms go off,

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Speaker 1: Right. The answer though, is, I think in the case

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Speaker 1: I went to school in Massachusetts, I think it was

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Speaker 1: you know, government business. They're going to make a defense.

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Speaker 1: First of all, they're gonna just say that I don't

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Speaker 3: Is that pull a frigging fire alarm, firecar right on

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Speaker 3: the wall. Again, if he had gone through a door,

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Speaker 3: and that can happen to any that was monitored, I

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Speaker 3: didn't think it was going to go off, Like we've

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Speaker 3: you know, gone off before. Like I could understand his defense.

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Speaker 3: There is no way to me and I would say

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Speaker 3: I would say, you guys deserve punishment for this, Like

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Speaker 1: Pulling a fire alarm on the wall. That I mean.

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Speaker 3: It's like if you break the glass to get a

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Speaker 3: there's no fire, like, you should be punished for that. Right,

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Speaker 3: There's no defense for anyone over the age of about

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Speaker 3: If he just owned it, I would feel a little

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Speaker 3: bit different maybe, But I think he should be prosecuted.

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Speaker 3: And I hate to say that because I'm not a

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Speaker 3: for relatively minor offenses. But when you're putting Grandma's with

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Speaker 3: selfie sticks in prison for disrupting Congress, why would you

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Speaker 3: not hold a congressman to the same standard.

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Speaker 1: At this point, you know, now I feel like I'm

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Speaker 1: in the I'm my Congressman Bowman's lawyer over here. You know,

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Speaker 1: they'll argue that there's a difference in the severity between

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Speaker 1: the transfer of power and the congressional vote in that instance,

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Speaker 3: Has this ever happened before? Because I don't remember a

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Speaker 3: So it's not as if this is like some sort

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Speaker 1: I think that here's here's one thing. You know, if

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Speaker 1: prison time and you should. Yeah. You see in this

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Speaker 1: was somehow an accident. I don't think that's plausible. But

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Speaker 1: I don't think that in other cases where people have

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Speaker 1: They're not going to Oh I don't think you should go.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying you should prosecute him. I don't think you should.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think anybody would convict him. But

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Speaker 1: prosecute grandma's with selfies. Yeah, he might pay a five

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Speaker 1: hundred dollars fine eventually. But what I mean if you

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Speaker 1: it outside of Congress. If you got caught pulling a

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Speaker 3: In most high schools in America and you set off

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Speaker 3: a fire alarm, there would be pretty consequential punishment I

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Speaker 3: think to the average kid if they found you on camera,

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Speaker 3: you don't know what it would be.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they'd probably suspend you for a week or two.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Clay, this is this is the issue for

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Speaker 1: every who's saying the law is the law. I can

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Speaker 1: tell you that they'll say other people who have pulled

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Speaker 1: fire alarms and other instances have ended up paying a fine.

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Speaker 1: So should he be should he be forced to do that? Yes,

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Speaker 1: because if the law is the law, then that's what

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Speaker 1: the law says. But the you know, maybe he's gonna

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Speaker 1: No one's gonna get locked up for this is my point, Like,

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Speaker 1: that's just not realistic people that would be the January

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Speaker 1: sway anybody in the DC legal system. But we do

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Speaker 1: I mean, what are we going to here? Well, I

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Speaker 3: Welcome back in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show, we were

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Speaker 3: mentioning AOC coming to Congressman Jamol Bowman. Bowman's defense saying

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Speaker 4: Representatives like Nicole Maliatakis and others immediately moved to file

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Speaker 2: Give me a break.

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Speaker 3: This is nothing that Santos's criminal charges are still pending.

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Speaker 1: Jamal Bowman. What did he do to point it? Ask me?

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Speaker 1: I think Jamal Bowman is a former principal of a

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Speaker 1: And you could say it's obstructing Congress, but the people

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Speaker 3: I think they should, they should censure him, but I

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Speaker 1: And what does that really do? Nothing? Doesn't do anything.

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Speaker 1: Clay, I think the problem with this is we have

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Speaker 3: That's the argument that he tries to make, And to me,

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Speaker 3: As you well know, in a case like this, Merrick

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Speaker 3: Okay, sixty minutes you absolute rubber stamps for the elite.

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Speaker 3: People to protest and threaten Supreme Court justices every single

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Speaker 3: day and night for years now, and that's clearly against

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Speaker 3: the law at a minimum. If you are standing by

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Speaker 3: that standard, how in the world have you not arrested

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Speaker 3: everybody protesting outside the homes of Supreme Court justices?

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Speaker 1: And especially given we already had one lunatic who was armed,

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Speaker 1: who showed up and tried to assassinate that he wanted

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Speaker 1: to assassinate a conservative member of the Supreme Court, It's interesting, Claike,

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Speaker 1: there are multiple places you could have gone with that.

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Speaker 1: I thought you were going to say, how can he

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Speaker 1: make this claim when they held for up to eighteen

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Speaker 1: months maybe a little more. People in solitary confinement effectively

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Speaker 1: in the DC prison system before trial, because even though

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Speaker 1: they were nonviolent, they were such a threat to discribe.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's his argument would be, I'm sure that there

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Speaker 3: was a threat to the country. So look, if you

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Speaker 3: are going to be and I use that argument, I

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Speaker 3: think it's insane. But that's my point on it though,

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Speaker 3: is and I use this phrase and I hope people

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Speaker 3: are familiar with it because it is it's one that

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Speaker 3: I think is important if you're going to be a

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Speaker 3: so called hanging judge. Right, they're all different sorts of

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Speaker 3: standards of prosectorial discretion that you can apply. The phrase

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Speaker 3: hanging judge means you find somebody who commits the merest

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Speaker 3: scintilla of a crime and you throw the absolute book

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Speaker 3: at them. If you were going to be a stickler

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Speaker 3: for prosecution across the board.

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Speaker 1: That's not the way that I would.

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Speaker 3: Be a judge, buck. I wouldn't be okay if I

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Speaker 3: were sitting on the bench. But if that is the

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Speaker 3: standard of justice that you are going to met out,

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Speaker 3: then it has to be evenly applied. And to your point,

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Speaker 3: if you're going to put all these Jan sixth political prisoners,

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Speaker 3: because I think it is fair to say that in prison.

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Speaker 3: Then you should be throwing the book at everybody who

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Speaker 3: rioted during the BLM protest. But at a minimum, you

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Speaker 3: should be given we had a legitimate assassination attempt to

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Speaker 3: Brett Kavanaugh. You should be arresting everyone who is protesting

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Speaker 3: outside of Supreme Court justice homes because that is a violation.

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Speaker 3: And some people don't understand this. Buck, I'm an absolutist

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Speaker 3: on the First Amendment. You can say whatever you want

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Speaker 3: pretty much about me. Go into the mentions and read

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Speaker 3: what people say every day about you and me and

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Speaker 3: all our opinions and everything else.

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Speaker 1: More power to you.

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Speaker 3: You don't have the right to show up at my

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Speaker 3: front porch and harass my family as they come and

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Speaker 3: go from the house. You don't have the right to engage, basically,

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Speaker 3: to physically engage in opposition to a Supreme Court justice.

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Speaker 1: This is under the.

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Speaker 3: Law illegal, and yet they have done nothing to stop this,

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Speaker 3: despite the fact, Buck, that there was an assassination attempt

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Speaker 3: on Brett Kavanaugh, and we talked about sadly on this

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Speaker 3: show that the leak of the.

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court opinion.

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Speaker 3: You would think, Merrek Garland, I just come back to it.

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Speaker 1: They couldn't figure out who that was. I told you,

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Speaker 1: they're not going to figure out who it is because

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Speaker 1: they don't want to figure out who it is, because

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Speaker 1: we all know that it was some Democrat activist inside

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court chambers who decided that he or she

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Speaker 1: was attempting to really change the course of judicial and

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Speaker 1: American history by breaking faith and trust with that institution.

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Speaker 1: But there was no interest in finding out who did that.

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Speaker 1: But there are so many places, so many ways to

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Speaker 1: take this question of which Marrick Garland promotes as as

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Speaker 1: somehow rhetorical like it's you know, do people really think

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Speaker 1: that there's a two tier justice system? Do people really

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Speaker 1: think that we have a politician? The answerest Yes, people

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Speaker 1: really do think that, and they think it now more

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Speaker 1: than they have ever thought it before. People think that

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Speaker 1: finally we have reached a stage where the Justice Department

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Speaker 1: is weaponized for the most obvious partisan politics and whatever

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Speaker 1: jurisdiction you may happen to be charged in matters a

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Speaker 1: whole heck of a lot more than the facts of

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Speaker 1: the case. And this is why these these fraud trials

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Speaker 1: keep happening in New York. Interesting Trump's done a lot

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Speaker 1: of business in a lot of places, done a lot

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Speaker 1: of business in Florida. I don't see a fraud trial

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Speaker 1: happening down here. We all know what's going on in

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Speaker 1: New York City. We all understand what's happening at the

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Speaker 1: federal level, and it's the system being used to punish

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Speaker 1: those who are viewed as a threat to its power,

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Speaker 1: not as a transgressor of sacred principle. I mean, to

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Speaker 1: your point, it's not like everybody who breaks the law

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Speaker 1: gets punished. And maybe we should ever talked about how

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Speaker 1: it's too severe. It's Republicans get crushed, Democrats get a

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Speaker 1: second chance, or they even get told that they're good

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Speaker 1: people for breaking the law. Look at the BLM riots.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is why I thought Buck and people

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Speaker 3: who go back and listen. You know, years ago when

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Speaker 3: we first started on this program, my prediction was that

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Speaker 3: Merrick Garland would prosecute Hunter Biden and prosecute Donald Trump,

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Speaker 3: and that his argument would be, whether you're the son

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Speaker 3: of the president or a former president, we don't provide favorable.

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Speaker 1: Treatment to you.

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Speaker 3: Instead, what appeared to occur is the sweetheart deal that

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Speaker 3: Hunter Biden was set to get actually embarrassed Merrick, Garland

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Speaker 3: and Weiss and everybody else in the Department of Just

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Speaker 3: to such an extent that they ended up filing charges

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Speaker 3: on the gun situation. We still don't know, though. I mean,

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Speaker 3: this is an open and hut case.

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Speaker 1: Buck.

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Speaker 3: If you and I or anybody out there listening to

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Speaker 3: us had not paid millions of dollars in taxes, do

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Speaker 3: you think that we would have taken six years for

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Speaker 3: the IRS to bring charges against us?

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 3: I mean this honestly, I'm not sure that there is

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Speaker 3: a single person in America today who has not paid

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Speaker 3: millions of dollars in taxes.

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Speaker 1: And I don't mean like.

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Speaker 3: Accounting arguments where you're disputing, Hey, can I write this off?

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Speaker 1: Can I not?

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Speaker 3: I'm talking about you didn't file a tax return knowing

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Speaker 3: that you owed millions of dollars in payments. I'm not

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Speaker 3: sure that the IRSUD be a great question, could point

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Speaker 3: to one person in America who has not filed taxes.

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Speaker 3: I think fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, and eighteen. I think

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Speaker 3: it was five years in a Rowbuck, I'm not sure

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Speaker 3: they could point to one one person in America who

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Speaker 3: is not criminally charged for doing what Hunter Biden did

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Speaker 3: on his tax return.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, think about it. There are there

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Speaker 1: are people listening right now who are thinking about all

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Speaker 1: those years they were calculating state sales tax and they're

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Speaker 1: buying things on Amazon and online because they didn't want

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Speaker 1: to run a foul of the IR. You've seen the

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Speaker 1: new IRS requirements.

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Speaker 3: I'll mention this when we come back, but in fact,

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Speaker 3: let's put we got a couple of calls. By the way,

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Speaker 3: let me say this too. If you've ever been punished

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Speaker 3: for pulling a fire alarm on the wall, not opening

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Speaker 3: a door, pulling the fire alarm on the wall, we

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Speaker 3: got a caller who wants to tell us what happened

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Speaker 3: to him. Open opportunity. We're not going to prosecute you.

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Speaker 3: I would love to hear what happened to you if

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Speaker 3: you pulled a fire alarm on the wall at any

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Speaker 3: point in your life. Open phone lines eight hundred and

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Speaker 3: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We were

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Speaker 3: rolling through the Monday edition of the program. We got

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Speaker 3: people calling in confession Confession time. People calling in to

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Speaker 3: tell us about when they pulled the fire alarm and

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Speaker 3: what happened to them. Up first, Noel in San Antonio, What.

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Speaker 1: Did you do? What was the punishment? Give us the story.

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Speaker 5: Thanks, guys. So, I'm thirty eight years old now in

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Speaker 5: a resident of San Antonio, Texas. However, in elementary school,

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Speaker 5: I attended school in the state of New Jersey in

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Speaker 5: Hudson County. Now, when I was in school, the Hudson

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Speaker 5: County curriculum adopted zero tolerance policy for disruptive behavior, any

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Speaker 5: sort of harassment and for fighting. What fell under there

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Speaker 5: is pulling the alarm. It went from a misdemeanor to

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Speaker 5: a felony with a sign of a pen. Within a

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Speaker 5: year of the school system adopting zero tolerance policy. I

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Speaker 5: went ahead and on a dare pulled the fire alarm.

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Speaker 1: How old were you?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: So got my wait?

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Speaker 3: How old how old were you when you did this?

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Speaker 5: This? So this was seventh grade, must have been thirteen fourteen?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay, And what happened, so I.

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Speaker 5: Was immediately kicked out of school. I was given a

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Speaker 5: ten day suspension. Immediately my parents were called in. I

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Speaker 5: had my mom and my stepdad at the time. They

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Speaker 5: were called into the school, at which point they were

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Speaker 5: notified that the school was also going to refer me

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Speaker 5: to criminal court, so the police were called. While I

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Speaker 5: was there at the school, the police came in. They

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Speaker 5: told me that at that time I was facing either

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Speaker 5: a disorderly person's, a disturbance of the peace, or even

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Speaker 5: a felony. So they wanted to hammer in that I

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Speaker 5: was in serious trouble at that point. So our very

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Speaker 5: first court date, the judge wanted to give me a

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Speaker 5: fel He went back and forth with our lawyer at

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Speaker 5: the time. Our lawyer was able to get that first

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Speaker 5: hearing in recess. But the long story short is that

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Speaker 5: they took my license. So remember I was thirteen fourteen.

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Speaker 5: I wasn't eligible to start getting my license till sixteen seventeen,

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Speaker 5: so they made sure that I couldn't get my license

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Speaker 5: for the first six months after I was of age.

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Speaker 5: My parents had a series of tickets that they had

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Speaker 5: to pay on my behalf, which included disorderly persons, disturbance

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Speaker 5: of the peace. I was given a ten days suspension

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Speaker 5: followed by a one month of in school suspension where

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Speaker 5: I had to sit and have lunch with the guidance

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Speaker 5: counselor for a month. And you know, I guess I

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Speaker 5: was just distrusted by the staff at that point, you know.

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Speaker 5: So it was a horrible experience, a great learning experience, however,

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Speaker 5: But as far as the congressman that hold that alarm,

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Speaker 5: he knows exactly what he was doing.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for the call.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm glad that you've been put on the straight

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Speaker 3: and narrow since Buck. We've got David in Biloxi, Mississippi.

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Speaker 3: How old were you when you pulled a fire alarm?

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Speaker 1: David? Is David still there? Well, let's let's try Jeff

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Speaker 1: and Sacramento that we got a lot of fire alarm pulling. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a lot of confessors here this audience. What's up, Jeff?

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Speaker 7: Hey, I didn't pull a fire alarm, but I worked

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Speaker 7: in building maintenance for twenty years and part of my

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Speaker 7: job was to maintain the firelife safety system. I'd just

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Speaker 7: say most modern fire alarm pole stations are a two

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Speaker 7: step operation where you have to like push in and

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Speaker 7: pull down. I saw some photos on the line with

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Speaker 7: that guy near a fire alarm pole station that had

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Speaker 7: a plastic cover on it. That'd make it a three

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Speaker 7: step operation. So for him to say that he did

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Speaker 7: an accidentally, that's just a lie. But the other thing

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Speaker 7: I wanted to know about is if he did it

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Speaker 7: not accidentally, he did it on purpose with the intent

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Speaker 7: of distracting the proceedings of Congress. That's got to bump

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Speaker 7: it up to a January sixth, seventy.

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Speaker 3: Right, Well, we don't think they'll prosecute very heavily. Let's

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Speaker 3: get to Scott in Omaha really quickly. You were at

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Speaker 3: boot camp somebody pulled at What happened?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 9: Actually I was in boot camp. We were in line

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Speaker 9: at the gallley and there was a guy that in

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Speaker 9: front of me that he asked what would happen.

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Speaker 5: To be pulled in?

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Speaker 9: I'm like, God, something, do you want to do that?

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Speaker 9: Because that's when I called the alarmer go off. He

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Speaker 9: did it really slow and nothing happened. So then the

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Speaker 9: guy's like, oh, you got it this way, and he

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Speaker 9: pulled it really hard and then alarm went off. Four

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Speaker 9: harder recruits had to leave the galley. They had a

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Speaker 9: player at Marge Thrus came in. They said it was

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Speaker 9: fine and there was a guy again. He got kicked

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Speaker 9: out of the Navy. He even said he wanted to

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Speaker 9: do twenty years and he didn't produce the rest.

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Speaker 5: To day he said home.

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Speaker 1: For a fire alarm. More of the story unless there's

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Speaker 1: a fire