Speaker 1: Boom, boom, all aboard the uh RuPaul bound FAG train.
Speaker 2: A g.
Speaker 1: Wait, please of the closing legs this train.
Speaker 2: This is an l g b t Q a I
Speaker 2: plus train. Rose. I feel like I've asked you this before.
Speaker 2: But what does the Q in LGBTQ stand for? And
Speaker 2: there is a correct answer, quixotic. Yeah, that's the correct answer.
Speaker 2: Thank you for saying that. Everyone is always like, is
Speaker 2: it questioning or is it queer? And I don't think
Speaker 2: questioning should be in here?
Speaker 1: Oh, questioning? I thought it was queer.
Speaker 2: No, people think think gets questioning. It is for sure queer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it shouldn't be. It shouldn't be questioning.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And then people all, I don't news are valid
Speaker 3: except if your questioning, and except if you're questioning, in
Speaker 3: which case we say, figure it the fuck out.
Speaker 1: I actually okay.
Speaker 3: I I know we have a lot to talk about,
Speaker 3: and I hate to derail us this early episode, especially
Speaker 3: to talk about something that I'm going to kind of
Speaker 3: talk around in an unspecified way. But I read this
Speaker 3: fanfic recently that made me so mad. It was a
Speaker 3: fanfic in which these two characters who let's just say
Speaker 3: they're in a time period that is not current, so
Speaker 3: it's slightly more homophobic. They're having like a secret gay
Speaker 3: relationship and one of them is like not out of
Speaker 3: the closet, and uh like keeps the other one as
Speaker 3: a secret. And then at the end of the fanfic,
Speaker 3: their friends are mad. Not the one who was like
Speaker 3: using his like keeping his lover hidden, but the other
Speaker 3: guy for like wanting to push him to come out.
Speaker 3: And I was like, why, I think gen Z is bones.
Speaker 3: I think they're done.
Speaker 2: Wait was itten? Do you know if it was written
Speaker 2: by somebody in gen Z I have I have a feeling.
Speaker 2: I have a feeling. I got a feeling.
Speaker 3: It's like, and that's the worst thing you could make
Speaker 3: a young person do, is like, uh, like make a
Speaker 3: decision about themselves.
Speaker 1: Like that's violence for some.
Speaker 3: Reason, but like, uh, lying and manipulating someone is okay
Speaker 3: as long as it's in the service of protecting your identity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like what and that because I think the happiest
Speaker 2: season is going on in here truly anyway, Sorry, that
Speaker 2: was pet peeve of mine. That makes no sense and
Speaker 2: I hate that. Yeah, we do have a lot to
Speaker 2: talk about to talk about.
Speaker 3: We have to get this train running absolutely babes complaining works.
Speaker 3: All we had to do was yell on the internet
Speaker 3: and we got invited to the Stop That Train premiere
Speaker 3: in New York.
Speaker 2: The Stop That Train New York premiere, Yes, was part.
Speaker 3: It was the opening film at the NewFest Film Festival,
Speaker 3: which is a queer film festival that takes place in
Speaker 3: New York.
Speaker 2: The largest LGBTQ film festival, I think, if not in
Speaker 2: the country, in the world.
Speaker 3: Incredible, and we were graciously invited by NewFest to come
Speaker 3: see the screening.
Speaker 2: My newest social media manager shout out do you bat.
Speaker 2: There was also a virgin who checked us in.
Speaker 1: Yes, whoever you are, we love you.
Speaker 3: We love even have to get our actual tickets because
Speaker 3: you just kind of waved us in.
Speaker 1: Love.
Speaker 2: Love when that happens, Love when that happens.
Speaker 3: Kind of had a similar situation to that last night,
Speaker 3: but I'll tell you about it later in the episode. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 3: Stop that Train was the dumbest movie I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: Compliment entry.
Speaker 2: Yes, oh absolutely, I think it delivered exactly what it's
Speaker 2: what it promised. It is on the level of stupid. Yes,
Speaker 2: it is Airplane. It is the movie Airplane. It's very
Speaker 2: much you know, as we said last episode sending up,
Speaker 2: you know these screwball parody comedies of the seventies, and
Speaker 2: it really is if a drag race acting challenge was
Speaker 2: ninety minutes long.
Speaker 1: That is the movie.
Speaker 2: Yes, and much like a drag race acting challenge, about
Speaker 2: forty percent, about fifty percent of the jokes were like
Speaker 2: so stupid and no one laughed. And then the other
Speaker 2: fifty percent of the jokes were the funniest thing I've
Speaker 2: ever heard ever ever, like just like such dies, such
Speaker 2: niche gay jokes, and like, yes, it is, like again,
Speaker 2: it's a drag race acting challenge. It's a storm Agonza.
Speaker 1: It's a storm got that one?
Speaker 2: The storm Agonza really got you when you find out
Speaker 2: that the storm that the train is going into is called,
Speaker 2: in fact, a storm Agonza. And they open up like
Speaker 2: an old book is I guess we should explain the
Speaker 2: quote unquote plot film.
Speaker 1: So there's a.
Speaker 2: Training so Jujubi and Gingermine, who are the stars were
Speaker 2: the stars on the films?
Speaker 1: Who we were? Who we were sitting directly behind, directly behind?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: They are d d and tests tests.
Speaker 3: They are two Dumby trained stewardesses who work on stank railway,
Speaker 3: and they're very jealous of the you know, more glamorous
Speaker 3: uh Glamizonian Express uh train attendance and are able to
Speaker 3: kind of hoodwink themselves onto a Glamazonian train. But that
Speaker 3: just happens to coincide with a storm Agonza setting down somehow.
Speaker 1: In the middle of the country.
Speaker 3: I don't know how hurricanes are supposed to make landfall
Speaker 3: that far in, but whatever, and they so the train
Speaker 3: has to be stopped before it crashes into the Storm
Speaker 3: of Ganza.
Speaker 2: Into the Storm Agonza, And there are many kind of
Speaker 2: twists and turns that this that the train takes like
Speaker 2: into like a haunted tunnel, and other things that it
Speaker 2: won't spoil for you.
Speaker 3: Yes, things fly across the screen. RuPaul plays the President.
Speaker 3: RuPaul made a surprise appearance at the screening. There had
Speaker 3: been a bunch of speeches, the movie was about to start,
Speaker 3: and then we hear RuPaul on a mic off stage.
Speaker 3: He comes out and spends five minutes I would I
Speaker 3: would say, not really knowing where he.
Speaker 2: Was, nor to mind, trying to find his friend PJ. Well. Well,
Speaker 2: the first one of the first things he said, I
Speaker 2: believe is like it's so great to be here in
Speaker 2: Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: Angeles.
Speaker 3: He definitely did not know what city he was in
Speaker 3: and looking he was looking for his friend PJ over
Speaker 3: the mic. And let me be clear, at first, when
Speaker 3: he started doing this, I was like, Oh, maybe he's
Speaker 3: going to say, like, PJ.
Speaker 1: Is you know, was my assistant.
Speaker 2: Or like JA played up an important part of.
Speaker 1: The role, was one of the writers or something.
Speaker 2: I have a surprise to announce you.
Speaker 3: No, PJ is just RuPaul's friend who was in the
Speaker 3: audience who RuPaul wanted to say hi to, and.
Speaker 2: As and as we're said to us, they used to
Speaker 2: be close and they're not that close now.
Speaker 3: And you know, of course the only way they could
Speaker 3: connect is for RuPaul to use I would say fifty
Speaker 3: percent of his time before the screening of his feature
Speaker 3: film to say hi to PJ. Also talk about sort
Speaker 3: of how in demand he is in Hollywood. Just kept
Speaker 3: being like, oh, well, I'm always being flown around the
Speaker 3: world to set and then he like cackled.
Speaker 1: It was very funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And he also kept kind of being like, Okay,
Speaker 2: so did I do it? Did I fulfill my requirement?
Speaker 1: I felt like a traffic cruel obligation. Can someone guess
Speaker 1: off forehead?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it was so funny. I loved seeing
Speaker 2: her in person.
Speaker 1: I've never been in the same room as Ruaul before.
Speaker 2: It was really very exciting. Well, you know, famously that
Speaker 2: I've given a present I've I've you know, presented like
Speaker 2: two slides of a presentation to rue Paul before, Yes,
Speaker 2: at Netflix, and he did laugh at a joke that
Speaker 2: I made the loudest that he laughed the entire meeting.
Speaker 2: I yeah, okay, So that's the plot of the movie.
Speaker 2: There are a plethora of cameos. I think the best
Speaker 2: I would say the best player in the ensemble, hands down,
Speaker 2: Laterrece Royale.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but I wouldn't call that a cam media right.
Speaker 3: She played mart because she's she's part of the drag
Speaker 3: Race universe and she writes okay character in the film.
Speaker 3: I really liked the running gag with Sarah Michelle Geller
Speaker 3: that she always thinks people are about to like talk
Speaker 3: about some you know thing they love her from, and
Speaker 3: actually no one knows who she is and fucking hates her.
Speaker 1: That was a cute little recurring bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there were a bunch there were I mean, it's like,
Speaker 3: if you can think of someone who has guest judged
Speaker 3: on drag Race, they were probably in this movie.
Speaker 2: If you can think of somebody that is in the
Speaker 2: kind of like contacts in the contacts app of the
Speaker 2: phone of Fenton Bailey or Randy Barbados.
Speaker 1: Who were also the screening fathers.
Speaker 2: They are literally Aristotle and Plato like creat writing the
Speaker 2: scrolls are like their God and Adam in that painting
Speaker 2: the creation of man touching fingers. If we're not counting
Speaker 2: drag Race Stiva's, then I would say my favorite cameo
Speaker 2: was actually Missy Pile. I thought she was lovely.
Speaker 3: Missy Pile is such an amazing comedic character actor who
Speaker 3: has appeared in so many movies and TV shows. My
Speaker 3: favorite of her roles are either interesting in The Puzzycats.
Speaker 2: Or in MA I don't want to be a bitch, but.
Speaker 1: This is a safe space. This is an unsafe space.
Speaker 1: I can be a bit.
Speaker 2: I didn't know who Rachel Bloom was, so I didn't.
Speaker 2: She drove so much of the movie.
Speaker 1: She was she had a big role.
Speaker 2: She thought she could have it could have been, we
Speaker 2: could have rearranged it.
Speaker 3: She's like the the the dumpy woman who works at
Speaker 3: the center of like transportation who's trying to help them train.
Speaker 3: I think it's train's headquarters.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And Rachel Bloom is someone.
Speaker 2: Who I I know who she is.
Speaker 3: And I'm I've definitely like seen her in a guest
Speaker 3: role in something before. But the thing that she's the
Speaker 3: most famous for, which is this show My Crazy Ex Girlfriend,
Speaker 3: which was a musical on the CW I believe, and
Speaker 3: she's I've heard, yeah, And she's really talented. She has
Speaker 3: a great voice. She like wrote the show. I think
Speaker 3: she wrote all the music too. Yeah, I like I
Speaker 3: thought she was.
Speaker 1: Good in the movie.
Speaker 3: I do kind of agree like it. It maybe was
Speaker 3: an opportunity for like a gag year actor. But you know,
Speaker 3: she's kind of like of I would say, of the
Speaker 3: the pool of you know, like drag Racegution celebrities. You know,
Speaker 3: she's like she's like solid and like she she was
Speaker 3: there to act, like she was there to perform. She
Speaker 3: she didn't like she wasn't like pulling focus like Charro.
Speaker 3: You know, she was able. She's like she's like enough
Speaker 3: of a working actress that she was able to disappear
Speaker 3: into the role.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: And I will also say I thought Juju Bei was amazing.
Speaker 1: Jujubi carried the film. Jujubi is charamedic genius.
Speaker 2: She like her and Ginger were a great two hander.
Speaker 2: I thought Juju was essentially the the if you were
Speaker 2: she saw the movie. Yeah, and her the stakes of
Speaker 2: her in relation to all the different elements of the film,
Speaker 2: like that, to me was the biggest center and that
Speaker 2: she also gets to be the the kookie one while
Speaker 2: Ginger is kind of playing the straight man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you know, not straight. And also Ginger.
Speaker 2: I saw I saw tweet that was like a photo
Speaker 2: of her from the premiere and it was like she
Speaker 2: got skinny and lost her realness. I was gonna say,
Speaker 2: I mean, it is not not necessarily untrue. She was
Speaker 2: good in the film.
Speaker 1: And that's what she was in the film.
Speaker 2: I really liked Brooklyn Heights and Marsh Marsh Marsha and
Speaker 2: Simone as the as like the mean girl trained stewardesses.
Speaker 2: They were very funny. I would say that there's a joke.
Speaker 2: I won't spoil it, but there is a joke featuring
Speaker 2: a raggedy an doll. Oh. I actually think that joke
Speaker 2: is in the trailer. So people have probably already oh
Speaker 2: it is, Oh my god, they spoiled that in Comedic Genius.
Speaker 3: Okay, one thing not necessarily about like our enjoyment of
Speaker 3: the films, there has been this controversy bubbling up. A
Speaker 3: lot of people are saying that it looks like a
Speaker 3: lot of generative AI was used in the film, and
Speaker 3: in fact, sure it was. The director Adam Shankman made
Speaker 3: a statement and he said, every shot and stopped that
Speaker 3: train is made by human hands. Has come to my
Speaker 3: attention that there's some online speculation that Stopped that Train
Speaker 3: is full of fully generative AI shots, and I'm here
Speaker 3: to tell you this is patently not true. There are
Speaker 3: some total of zero shots conceived by AI.
Speaker 1: In thish way.
Speaker 3: We employed hundreds of VFX artists. Untbelieve that who all
Speaker 3: killed them hundreds getting this out. They maybe had two
Speaker 3: killed themselves getting this out for release, and not one
Speaker 3: job was taken out of human hands. This movie is
Speaker 3: a fully human made piece of joy and laughter. So
Speaker 3: I do think there is something to be said of like,
Speaker 3: I think we are kind of losing the further we
Speaker 3: go into the AI era. I think we are losing
Speaker 3: the ability to determine what is real and what is
Speaker 3: not and.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have been able to discern. I would have
Speaker 2: fully thought that was AI.
Speaker 3: Well, I think there is there is a difference between
Speaker 3: AI and just bad cheap CGI, and like I could
Speaker 3: very much clock that what was in the film was
Speaker 3: bad CGI to the level of what is done in
Speaker 3: drag race acting challenges.
Speaker 2: Yes, and in AI.
Speaker 1: A lot of.
Speaker 3: People do think that the language and this is very
Speaker 3: carefully worded. Oh you know that they're zero shots conceived
Speaker 3: by AI. So it's like, so does that mean like
Speaker 3: they prompted something really specifically and they're being very very
Speaker 3: careful about the language.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I personally like, I mean, here's the thing, if they
Speaker 3: did use AI, we're certainly never going to find out
Speaker 3: about it now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean I feel well, that's the thing
Speaker 2: is I think it would be I am I'm curious,
Speaker 2: Like it seems like something that would actually be difficult
Speaker 2: to lie about, is my thought.
Speaker 3: But I also think it's just but I do this
Speaker 3: is a product of our of like our culture calling
Speaker 3: everything slop culture. You know, it's like people anything they
Speaker 3: don't like now, it's very easy I think in the
Speaker 3: way that five six, ten years ago, it was easy
Speaker 3: to say I don't like this because it's problematic, and
Speaker 3: that was like an argument ender, a conversation finisher. Now
Speaker 3: people just say, oh, it's a slop, and I think
Speaker 3: that's actually a really limited way to engage with them
Speaker 3: and think critically about art.
Speaker 2: I agree, I agree, and I think this is what
Speaker 2: you're saying. But I think that it brings up this
Speaker 2: I think really a question for the culture. As it were,
Speaker 2: we were just celebrating the six year anniversary of a
Speaker 2: question for the Culturela del But it is like, actually,
Speaker 2: like just saying something looks like AI slop is like
Speaker 2: not good media literacy. Like I I'm I'm gonna go
Speaker 2: actually out on a limit say that Adam Shankman has
Speaker 2: no reason to lie, and also that he is, you know,
Speaker 2: someone who I do. I do believe in a generation
Speaker 2: of artists and directors that are actually going to stand
Speaker 2: on the right side of history. And if he's making
Speaker 2: this statement, my hope is that is what he's doing.
Speaker 2: And so I yeah, I think for public discernment, it's
Speaker 2: like it's the same thing as like fact checking, Like
Speaker 2: you can't just look at a TikTok and and and
Speaker 2: and distill that in all the information in that TikTok
Speaker 2: is going to be factual. It's just not how we
Speaker 2: should be critiquing art, so to just for the media
Speaker 2: story to actually really get away from it. And everyone
Speaker 2: has concluded actually that the film was made by AI.
Speaker 2: I mean that's kind. I mean, no, girl, shitty graphics
Speaker 2: are shitty graphics, okay, And also something to be said.
Speaker 2: They also really honey the opening credits of this film. Ever,
Speaker 2: they cleaned out the stock footage library for trains. They
Speaker 2: searched trains into like Adobe video stock, and they got everything.
Speaker 2: They took it all, baby. But yeah, I mean, but
Speaker 2: that's the movie was done on a relative budget, right
Speaker 2: like people. I think, didn't you say that?
Speaker 1: People were?
Speaker 2: That's crazy to me.
Speaker 1: I want to know, looks like it costs two dollars
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 2: But that's how we like it. That's how we like drag.
Speaker 2: That's why drag is good, because the cheapness of drag
Speaker 2: as an art form is in conversation with the art
Speaker 2: form itself and in being aware of itself, is part
Speaker 2: of the shtick and why it's so funny. Well, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean that's you know, I think you find camp
Speaker 2: in the dissonance between this movie looking like it was
Speaker 2: filmed in my bathroom, right, and the fact that everyone's
Speaker 2: treating it everyone in the film or is treating it
Speaker 2: as if they are in you know, a Christopher Nolan movie, right.
Speaker 2: I yeah, I mean yeah, then that's just not with
Speaker 2: this That's not the standard that this film is supposed
Speaker 2: to be at. And I'm glad that they didn't use AI.
Speaker 2: According to the statement, thank God, what do we talk
Speaker 2: about next? Roads? Do we do? Do we talk about
Speaker 2: what you did last night?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think I think we should.
Speaker 2: I think that's next priority. Babes, you kind of died
Speaker 2: and went to heaven.
Speaker 3: If I'm not well, I died if went to Hell
Speaker 3: and I had a fabulous time.
Speaker 2: I didn't know he was going to be performing Rose.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So last night I went to the season three premiere
Speaker 3: of The Vampire Lesstat formerly known as an Interview with
Speaker 3: the Vampire. It was the premiere and a live show
Speaker 3: with Sam Reid performing live as as the Stat in
Speaker 3: character like in character, like he was doing like patter
Speaker 3: between the songs in character as the Stat with the
Speaker 3: French accent. Everything he had, like his like makeup, scar On.
Speaker 3: And so for those who haven't been listening and don't
Speaker 3: know the third season of the show, Oh my god,
Speaker 3: fuck my weed delivery is here.
Speaker 2: I'll go get it. I can. I can tell the versions.
Speaker 2: Okayam the third season of the show, which is called
Speaker 2: The Vampire Lestat because that is the title of this
Speaker 2: next kind of chunk of Anne Rice's books following Interview
Speaker 2: with Vampire iterates the story of Listat as he kind
Speaker 2: of moves through time because he's obviously centuries years old
Speaker 2: to now be a rock star. And the rock star's name, oh,
Speaker 2: is maybe just the Vampire list A.
Speaker 1: Yeah, his band is called the vampireless At, right, And.
Speaker 2: I didn't know. And he performed at this premiere.
Speaker 1: Yes, did he do one song?
Speaker 2: Two songs?
Speaker 3: No, he did four or five songs. He performed for
Speaker 3: about twenty minutes.
Speaker 1: That's shock.
Speaker 3: He performed with a full band, including Daniel Hart, who
Speaker 3: is the composer for Interview with the Vampire. They wrote
Speaker 3: I think like upwards of twenty or thirty songs for
Speaker 3: season three and performed a bunch of them last night.
Speaker 1: The songs kind of you know, like.
Speaker 3: Are are the framework of the season. From what I
Speaker 3: can see a hold on, Vampagana have to go.
Speaker 1: Get this.
Speaker 2: The I was uh, I was going to ask, actually
Speaker 2: if the I think that the rock Star is supposed
Speaker 2: to be a kind of like Prince slash Bowie hybrid,
Speaker 2: and this like rock Star kind of persona I think
Speaker 2: lends itself so beautifully to the first element, right, Like
Speaker 2: the rock Star is very thirsty. He's a very thirsty
Speaker 2: This is me Vambi girl. My question for you, this
Speaker 2: is very important. Yes, who came first? You, Ty Mitchell
Speaker 2: or Ira Madison?
Speaker 1: It was definitely me. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: So the premiere was held at the Beacon Theater, which
Speaker 2: was a really beautiful venue venue for this specifically.
Speaker 1: It it has like a.
Speaker 2: Very old world feel.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: They screened the first episode of the new season, which
Speaker 3: was very exciting.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna spoil it, but I'll say like.
Speaker 2: It was good.
Speaker 1: It was incredible.
Speaker 3: It's a very different show this season, and that is
Speaker 3: something they have played up a lot in the marketing
Speaker 3: and all the press around it. I mean it very
Speaker 3: much like it justifies the fact that they have actually
Speaker 3: changed the title of the show to The Vampire lesstat Like,
Speaker 3: just the way the show looks the way it's shot
Speaker 3: and edited, the way it sounds, it feels like a
Speaker 3: different show, but it's really still grounded by these you know,
Speaker 3: incredible performances from Sam Reid as the stat I mean,
Speaker 3: like he really is the star of the show. Now,
Speaker 3: he's in almost every second of the first episode.
Speaker 1: But the.
Speaker 2: But the series still is following this century's long romance.
Speaker 3: Or yeah, I mean yeah, I mean, well, the thing is,
Speaker 3: like the Vampire Chronicles and Rice's books that the show
Speaker 3: is based on, Lista and Louie they are endgame. They
Speaker 3: are like to her, you know, they they were soulmates.
Speaker 3: They were always going to end up together, but you
Speaker 3: know they're they're vampires and they are immortal, and so
Speaker 3: they're constantly breaking up and making up. And you know,
Speaker 3: the season picks up where the last season left off,
Speaker 3: and that Lestat and Louie have reconciled.
Speaker 2: Louis knows that Armand.
Speaker 3: Is the one who actually plotted to kill Claudia, and
Speaker 3: the in world novel Interview with a Vampire, well not novel,
Speaker 3: nonfiction book has finally come out, and so and as
Speaker 3: the season starts, Listat and Louie are connected again, and
Speaker 3: then Lestat reads interview with a vampire. It sends him
Speaker 3: on this crazy spiral and he starts a band, and
Speaker 3: it's there's so much blood and sex and drugs. Lestat
Speaker 3: pisses blood? What and does Molly In the first episode,
Speaker 3: there's incest.
Speaker 2: What in the first episode.
Speaker 3: In the first episode, it's very the vibe is very
Speaker 3: glam rock.
Speaker 1: It's very Bowie.
Speaker 3: Daniel Hart, who composed all the music used to open
Speaker 3: for Bowie, like back in the seventies.
Speaker 2: Okay, love.
Speaker 1: Sam Reid.
Speaker 3: Sam Reid was so incredible. I mean, like I knew
Speaker 3: he could sing, because he has sung in every season
Speaker 3: of the show so far. I'm sure they, you know,
Speaker 3: audition to people who could sing, knowing that canonically Lestat
Speaker 3: would eventually have to become a rock star. I was
Speaker 3: unprepared for how incredible he was live, not only his
Speaker 3: commitment to playing Lestat, and like the fact that it
Speaker 3: felt like he's sang in character. He's sang in character.
Speaker 3: I truly think Anne Rice rose from her grave last night.
Speaker 2: Wow. It was magnetic and so sexy. He's so hot
Speaker 2: and tall. Were you able to seduce him at the
Speaker 2: after party?
Speaker 3: He wasn't there when I was there because we left.
Speaker 3: I mean, we were there for a while, but I
Speaker 3: think he he. I know, he did the stage door
Speaker 3: at the Beacon afterwards, so he was probably like meeting people.
Speaker 2: But I did get to meet Jacob Anderson Louis de
Speaker 2: Pont de Lacy. Ira and him are friendly, and Ira
Speaker 2: introduced us. Oh my god, Jacob actually revealed to me
Speaker 2: how he gets the fake blood off of him and
Speaker 2: it's shaving cream. What yeah, wait, not dish soap, not
Speaker 2: oil based facial cleanser.
Speaker 1: Shaving cream, I know.
Speaker 3: And I asked him, well, do you also shave when
Speaker 3: you're like removing the fake blood? And he was like no,
Speaker 3: and maybe I should do that. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I killed two birds with one stone. He went, yeah,
Speaker 3: killed two birds with one stone. And then I was like,
Speaker 3: can we take a photo?
Speaker 2: Love?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: It was. It was so fun. It was like such
Speaker 3: an amazing night. I looked insanely hot.
Speaker 1: You, I have to say.
Speaker 3: I knew everyone was gonna be wearing black, so I
Speaker 3: went in the opposite direction and more silver and it
Speaker 3: was just a yeah, it was a fab night. I'm
Speaker 3: so excited that what I think is the best show
Speaker 3: on TV is back and I do have access to
Speaker 3: screeners for all the episodes, but I think I'm gonna
Speaker 3: wait and just watch them as they roll out live.
Speaker 3: I really like watching along with everyone else.
Speaker 2: Okay, babes, that is a shift from it what you
Speaker 2: said last You said you were going to watch you
Speaker 2: were not gonna be able to wait, and I actually
Speaker 2: really I support you waiting. I think that that will
Speaker 2: feel more pure.
Speaker 3: I'm you know, I'm happy that I watched that. I
Speaker 3: saw the first episode in a theater. It was like,
Speaker 3: you know, a really amazing experience, and like, I'm fine
Speaker 3: that I got to see that a couple of days
Speaker 3: before the season premieres. But yeah, with everything else, I
Speaker 3: kind of would like to stick with the weekly release.
Speaker 3: That's how I like to consume my media.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's literally perhaps it's definitely your favorite sho
Speaker 2: on television period, right, Yes.
Speaker 3: And I Interview with the Vampire and The Gilded Age
Speaker 3: are are tied for my fa favorite my favorite shows
Speaker 3: currently on TV.
Speaker 2: But surely Interview with a Vampire edges it out. No,
Speaker 2: it's not to pit you against your your not to
Speaker 2: make you choose your darling. It's not to Sophie's choice here, No, it.
Speaker 1: Does Interview with the Vampire.
Speaker 3: Interview with the Vampire has a lot of what the
Speaker 3: Guilded Age has, you know, it has like the period
Speaker 3: costume drama aspect, because so much of it is flashbacks
Speaker 3: because these are vampires.
Speaker 1: And the guild.
Speaker 3: But but it also has you know, modern day and
Speaker 3: vampires and gay sex, which the Gilded Age does not
Speaker 3: yet have. And would you say, sorry, this is so
Speaker 3: pointless to put them against each other, but I would,
Speaker 3: I would say based on your reviews because I haven't
Speaker 3: really seen either shown full. But it feels like the
Speaker 3: Vampire listet has provided a bit more consistent entertainment where
Speaker 3: the Gilded Age had.
Speaker 2: Didn't you say that there was I liked I liked
Speaker 2: to guild it. It was a season that weighed No, I
Speaker 2: loved it from episode never mind I missed it for
Speaker 2: better every season. Oh love that?
Speaker 3: Okay, But Interview with the Vampire has been one hundred
Speaker 3: percent perfect from the first episode it there's no skips.
Speaker 2: Yes, I I mean, look, we'll see if I join
Speaker 2: in because like I am not, I'm not gonna I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna pressure you, but I will be discussing it
Speaker 2: on the show, and who knows, maybe maybe my enjoyment
Speaker 2: of it will move you. But one thing you did see, uh,
Speaker 2: that I had already seen, was Obsession. Yes, I want
Speaker 2: to hear your thoughts. I saw it last night, so
Speaker 2: it's fresh on my mind. For the Virgin. Obsession follows
Speaker 2: the story of a guy named Bear and a girl
Speaker 2: named Nicki and their two friends. And Bear has like
Speaker 2: an obliterating crush on Nicki and Niki perhaps probably does
Speaker 2: not reciprocate, and so he is kind of like, you know,
Speaker 2: his cat dies. He's feeling really low, he's feeling like
Speaker 2: he's hit a wall trying to woo Nicki and totally
Speaker 2: impulsively is at a crystal store. Very what was the
Speaker 2: name of the crystal store you went to in Los Angeles?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Fuck Okay, I want to plug them now, even though
Speaker 2: I don't actually think people should spend money on crystals.
Speaker 2: But it is a famous crystal store and it is
Speaker 2: called Oh I don't remember, the gays own it. They'll
Speaker 2: tell the virgins will tell us, Yeah, drop your favorite
Speaker 2: crystal store in the comments. But he buys a something
Speaker 2: called a wishing willow, A one wish willow, A one
Speaker 2: wish willow. You snap a little twig, and you make
Speaker 2: a wish and your wish comes true, and he impulsively
Speaker 2: snaps it and says, I wish Nikki loved me more
Speaker 2: than anyone in the world.
Speaker 3: He clearly has never watched any kind of media where
Speaker 3: they discuss Genie rules, because you know that you have
Speaker 3: to be specific about your wording when making wishes.
Speaker 2: You have to word it so clearly, and even when
Speaker 2: you do, they still find a way to fuck with you.
Speaker 2: Yes every time, reat we don't actually want our wishes.
Speaker 2: That's that's a I mean, I don't think the film,
Speaker 2: to be honest, Like, my take is that I don't
Speaker 2: actually think the film dug deep into any of its themes,
Speaker 2: one of them being like do we really want what
Speaker 2: we wish for? What are the kind of like what
Speaker 2: are the kind of like human impulses around unrequited love
Speaker 2: and what do we do with them? And then this
Speaker 2: also kind of like there's like a I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't know if this is actually surrounding the film,
Speaker 2: But the first thing that came to mind is that
Speaker 2: there is a literal gen z Witch conversation asking if
Speaker 2: love potions and and and love spells are non consensual.
Speaker 3: Yes, and yeah, I do think you can look at
Speaker 3: this film as an allegory for rape, particularly you know,
Speaker 3: date rape or like intimate partner rape or you know,
Speaker 3: any kind of like sexual assault.
Speaker 2: Like, but the film doesn't go there at all.
Speaker 1: It doesn't go there.
Speaker 3: But I think I think it's it's gesturing towards that idea,
Speaker 3: like I think, particularly because you know, to sort of
Speaker 3: finish the recap, you know, the wishes made. Nikki becomes
Speaker 3: obsessed and it seems like she's possessed by something demonic.
Speaker 2: It becomes a demon possession story essentially, but this wish.
Speaker 3: There are these moments in the film where what seems
Speaker 3: to be the real Nikki breaks through and so good,
Speaker 3: those those are devastating, chilling because she's sobbing, she's asking,
Speaker 3: she's begging Bear to kill her. Yes, and that was
Speaker 3: the best part of the film to me, those moments,
Speaker 3: to me, those and the last shot, which I won't spoil.
Speaker 3: But like the end of the film, what we end
Speaker 3: on to me very much is nodding to making this
Speaker 3: parallel to a rape survivor's experience. But I agree that
Speaker 3: it does not commit enough to that, And I think
Speaker 3: that is probably because it was written and directed by
Speaker 3: a man, right.
Speaker 2: I mean, I something I want to like say. I
Speaker 2: have mostly like kind of critiques to talk about.
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Speaker 3: Is that showing on your computer or just no?
Speaker 2: Can you hear me?
Speaker 1: I can hear you. I just want to be sure
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Speaker 2: Is it currently showing that message?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it just says trying to reconnect to make sure
Speaker 3: you have a stable internet connection.
Speaker 1: Hm hmm, and my internet.
Speaker 3: Is stable, so ism let's let's stop and start and I'll.
Speaker 1: Just edit edit these together.
Speaker 2: Are you sure?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fine, okay, thanks. Oh wait, it's like not
Speaker 3: even letting me do anything.
Speaker 1: Hmmm mmmm.
Speaker 2: It won't let you stop the recording. M m hmm.
Speaker 2: I want your vape so bad right now. I wonder
Speaker 2: what would happen if you opened the same link on
Speaker 2: a new window while keeping this window open.
Speaker 1: Let's try.
Speaker 3: Oh, it says recording and progress, So I guess it
Speaker 3: is recording and I'll figure out how to cut.
Speaker 1: This out of the episode.
Speaker 2: Do you mind?
Speaker 1: It's fine?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 3: Okay, So I was kind of we were on the
Speaker 3: subject of do we say the ending or, and it
Speaker 3: was just I was just saying that it gestures to
Speaker 3: the rape metaphor, but without really committing to it be
Speaker 3: probably because it was written and directed by a man.
Speaker 2: Right, I want to get into I want to get
Speaker 2: into like my critiques, so I'll preface them with the
Speaker 2: things that I really loved about the film. I love
Speaker 2: that it was a quote unquote micro budget film.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 2: I think it costs less than a million dollars in
Speaker 2: the production. It's not counting like like marketing and stuff.
Speaker 3: And I believe it was mostly filmed in Curry Barker's apartment,
Speaker 3: which is that the cost is solo.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's only twenty six.
Speaker 2: That's so crazy to me. It is I just understand
Speaker 2: broken records in its production budget to revenue, giving very
Speaker 2: blair witch in terms of the discrepancy between how much
Speaker 2: a cost to make and how much money it made.
Speaker 2: And it also has increased in box office sales week
Speaker 2: over week, which like does not happen really, especially for
Speaker 2: films like this. So I think it's really cool that
Speaker 2: this is an original idea that is a micro budget
Speaker 2: that somebody took a risk on and that it's successful,
Speaker 2: Like we need more films like that. I also will
Speaker 2: say that, uh, what's her face? Denavaret Indi Navarette. I
Speaker 2: mean she kind of screwed the pooch by telling people
Speaker 2: that she was inspired by Mia Gotha and Pearl, because
Speaker 2: I'll of course then compared her to miagoth and Pearl,
Speaker 2: and I you know, if the Virgins remember loved Pearl,
Speaker 2: loved the final scene of Pearl, loved Meogothan Pearl. But
Speaker 2: I think the film is a little boring. And part
Speaker 2: of that is because so much of the film rests
Speaker 2: on Mia goth and her ability to be kind of terrifying,
Speaker 2: and that was the same case with Indian. Neverat is
Speaker 2: that this this scariness of the film was one hundred
Speaker 2: percent leaning on her and her ability to be creepy,
Speaker 2: and she was very successful at that often. But was
Speaker 2: she successful at at one hundred percent of the time?
Speaker 2: I would say no. I would say there were many
Speaker 2: things that the Shi did that were not that scary
Speaker 2: to me. Some of her movements were not scary to me.
Speaker 2: When she was like wailing and crying, there was like
Speaker 2: maybe one moment where it was scary, other moments where
Speaker 2: I'm like, it's not. I also think that there's an
Speaker 2: image that they used where she's like she's lit from
Speaker 2: the back and cascaded and dark. You basically can't see
Speaker 2: her features at all, and she looks so scary in
Speaker 2: the way that this image is shot, and they use
Speaker 2: that trick like seven or eight times, and so it
Speaker 2: just became less and less scary as it went on.
Speaker 2: But what she does with the role is nonetheless really
Speaker 2: really impressive, and I think she's gonna get a lot
Speaker 2: of work now.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: For me, it was the most exciting thing about it
Speaker 3: was seeing this, you know, very captivating new performer who
Speaker 3: I'm excited to see in other things. I really really
Speaker 3: liked her performance in this. I think again, as I
Speaker 3: said last episode, I do not think you can compare
Speaker 3: it to something like Isabella Johnny in Possession.
Speaker 1: No, but.
Speaker 3: I thought this movie was very interesting. It is sort
Speaker 3: of like a referendum on where straight people are at
Speaker 3: in culture, and it's pretty much as bad as it's
Speaker 3: always been.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, again, there were a lot of kind of
Speaker 2: themes that were not really touched on. And I guess
Speaker 2: I'm not someone who really needs a movie. I like
Speaker 2: a simple movie. I don't need a movie to be
Speaker 2: deep or to make me think, But I just I
Speaker 2: felt like there was a lot left on the table,
Speaker 2: and that was kind of one of them is like
Speaker 2: this this the state of compulsory heterosexuality, and like how
Speaker 2: certain kind of hetero relationships like really aren't They're not
Speaker 2: able to communicate at all and in ways that are shocking.
Speaker 2: I think it to that effect, and I don't want
Speaker 2: to spoil the fat the last third. I do think
Speaker 2: that the third act of the film is like I
Speaker 2: really love the third act. I think we can I
Speaker 2: think we can spoil it. It's been long enough. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 2: we're gonna spoil it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're talking spoilers.
Speaker 2: Okay, so virgins, we're about to spoil obsessions. Gep ahead
Speaker 2: so that you don't hear anything. I She ends up
Speaker 2: killing one of She ends up killing both of their
Speaker 2: two friends, and the bear is freaking out because Nikki
Speaker 2: is like clearly like demon possessed. He's realizing that all
Speaker 2: of this shit is like coming true. He's like realized
Speaker 2: that he's like, you know, backed into a corner. He
Speaker 2: goes back to the crystal store, which is like the
Speaker 2: thing he should have done the very beginning, but whatever,
Speaker 2: this is a horror movie. Of course you're gonna do that.
Speaker 2: Last he went back to the crystal store. He gets
Speaker 2: a wishing wand he is trying to get someone to
Speaker 2: use it. He gets multiple wishing ones. He's trying to
Speaker 2: get people to use them to undo the wish because
Speaker 2: he himself can't do it. You can only get one wish.
Speaker 2: You can't do a second. And Nicki what he goes
Speaker 2: and his plan isn't working. Nick he goes into the bathroom,
Speaker 2: decides to kill himself with a bottle of oxy and
Speaker 2: then right after he does that, Nicki from outside the
Speaker 2: bathroom because he's locked her out, snaps the wishing wand
Speaker 2: and wishes that makes the same wish, but for him.
Speaker 2: She wishes that he loved her back the same way,
Speaker 2: and so they they reunite and for a brief and
Speaker 2: wondrous moment, they're like covered in blood. They're two best
Speaker 2: friends dead alongside them and they're like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: we're going to love each other the exact same and
Speaker 2: it's this manic demon for demon kind of relationship. And
Speaker 2: then he dies. When he dies, the Niki Niki is
Speaker 2: basically broken free from the spell because the thing she's
Speaker 2: in love with is no longer there, and she's back
Speaker 2: to being the real Nikki, and the real Niki essentially
Speaker 2: wakes up, sees all of her friends dead around her,
Speaker 2: covered in blood, and just is left with that. And
Speaker 2: then I think also in that moment, is realizing the
Speaker 2: extent of what happened to her and what she's survived.
Speaker 2: And that's why I do think you Know It very
Speaker 2: much is again trying to sort.
Speaker 3: Of be a rape allegory. Yes, because that felt very
Speaker 3: very much like the aftermath of a sexual assault.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: One thing I.
Speaker 3: Appreciated about the film is that it did not really
Speaker 3: try to explain the one wish Willow yes there. I
Speaker 3: really liked that scene where he goes back to the
Speaker 3: magic store and the guy's like, oh, yeah, like you
Speaker 3: made a wish, like those things work, and like it's not.
Speaker 1: It's like this kind of magical realism or like.
Speaker 3: He he gets he tries to convince his best friend,
Speaker 3: who he finds out was actually secretly fucking Nikki all along.
Speaker 3: He tries to get him to make a new wish
Speaker 3: that will override his wish, and the friend just wishes
Speaker 3: for a billion dollars and it just starts falling from
Speaker 3: the ceiling, which is crazy, which is crazy, And I
Speaker 3: like that because I like that it it's hinting that
Speaker 3: this is a bigger, more kind of magical, you know,
Speaker 3: world than we kind of understand, But the movie is
Speaker 3: not interested in exploring that, and I do really like it.
Speaker 3: I like those kinds of horror and fantasy stories where
Speaker 3: we're seeing just kind of like a slice.
Speaker 2: Of something without getting it to explain to us. So
Speaker 2: that part of it I really appreciated. It was more like,
Speaker 2: I agree that the film was not super scary. It
Speaker 2: was more creepy and unsettling, and I just wanted it
Speaker 2: to like lean in more to what I was trying
Speaker 2: to say. I agree, and I think it's I think
Speaker 2: it's very promising. It's a very promising look at a
Speaker 2: new horror filmmaker, a new scream queen in Indian Everette.
Speaker 2: Sometimes like the script did feel like a first draft.
Speaker 2: I won't lie. I think that there were and and
Speaker 2: that's and I'm saying that kind of like with love
Speaker 2: and adoration because I'm just like kind of glad that
Speaker 2: it got made. And I think it's like a fucking
Speaker 2: cool movie. To be honest, even if I there are
Speaker 2: things that I want to dig deeper into as I
Speaker 2: as we always want to do. I definitely also to
Speaker 2: the point that you just made about, like the rape allegory,
Speaker 2: and also just what we wish it would explored. The
Speaker 2: big territory for me was, as I said earlier, there's
Speaker 2: this really gripping scene where Nicki is asleep. He's trying
Speaker 2: to sneak out she that she starts talking in her sleep,
Speaker 2: and we find out that the Nikki talking is the
Speaker 2: real Nikki, not the demon possessed Nikki, and she's saying,
Speaker 2: please kill me. It's very much a Sigourney Weaver and
Speaker 2: Alien for ll me kill me. Oh my god, I
Speaker 2: forgot about that, and it yeah, like it's chilling, And
Speaker 2: in that moment, what we realize is that Bear actually
Speaker 2: is pretty evil. Oh absolutely, if we didn't, if we
Speaker 2: thought that he was a victim for part of this film,
Speaker 2: which is part of the film, does position it that
Speaker 2: way for part for a lot of the movie?
Speaker 1: I think that I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I agree with position he didn't
Speaker 2: think the wish was gonna work. I think that that's
Speaker 2: in his favor, you know what I mean, Yeah, but
Speaker 2: I do think the film still, yes, he judges for
Speaker 2: what for what he's okay, John, And I think because
Speaker 2: because he's like he's stringing her along still he's like
Speaker 2: hiding the fact that she's not well.
Speaker 3: And also and also there are many there are so
Speaker 3: many points within the film where he is confronted with
Speaker 3: what he's done and how he has ruined this girl,
Speaker 3: his lifelong friend from what we can glean because they
Speaker 3: talk about, you know, growing up together. He's ruined her
Speaker 3: life essentially like murdered her, is kind of raping her
Speaker 3: body nightly.
Speaker 2: And is and has chosen not to do.
Speaker 3: And and there are multiple points where something happens where
Speaker 3: he is really confronted by the reality of all this
Speaker 3: and he has the chance to maybe not make it right,
Speaker 3: but like, yes, go back to the crystal store, go
Speaker 3: back to the crystal store. Or when he he's told
Speaker 3: that the wish will only end when he dies, and
Speaker 3: that's kind of what prompts him to kill himself and
Speaker 3: he can't even follow through on that. There's so many
Speaker 3: points in the film where he goes to the brink
Speaker 3: of realizing how horrible what he's done is and then
Speaker 3: he just backtracks it because he's still ultimately and I
Speaker 3: think what this movie is saying is men will still
Speaker 3: take the easy way to have women in whatever way
Speaker 3: they can, even if it's not the reality of that woman,
Speaker 3: or that woman in the way that she would or
Speaker 3: that woman in a way that she would not consent to.
Speaker 3: They'll still take it. They will take whatever they can get.
Speaker 2: And part of it because the ending was full nihilism,
Speaker 2: like it's everybody's dead, which and in the worst case scenario,
Speaker 2: I think it can be very babies. Well, I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I actually really like explosive endings, so
Speaker 2: maybe I did kind of like that element of it.
Speaker 2: But my thing, I really felt like there was an
Speaker 2: opportunity actually to show in the final act that he
Speaker 2: was actually the real villain. I think that as critics
Speaker 2: were kind of like, oh, he's the real villain, but like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, I kind of I thought that there
Speaker 2: could have been another turn in the film where he
Speaker 2: is truly actually so so evil. I think, I.
Speaker 1: Don't know.
Speaker 2: I thought that him vomiting up the pills he takes
Speaker 2: was like so reprehensible and so evil and so clearly. Oh,
Speaker 2: I forgot about that.
Speaker 1: I thought it.
Speaker 3: I just feel like it would be very hard to
Speaker 3: watch this film and not understand that he's a bad guy.
Speaker 3: I think the film is making that very clear. I
Speaker 3: do think that many people could watch this film and
Speaker 3: not interpret it that way. I think a lot of
Speaker 3: men will see this film, and I'll interpret it that
Speaker 3: way and even maybe see it as like something they
Speaker 3: would want. I think a lot of in cells will
Speaker 3: will kind of I don't know, maybe even rally behind
Speaker 3: this film. I think it will kind of like prove
Speaker 3: something to them. I hate that, but I do think
Speaker 3: it's it's very clear that he is the villain. But
Speaker 3: our culture has a problem, a question for the culture.
Speaker 3: Just does the culture know he's the villain?
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I don't think that was really I
Speaker 2: think that there was a missed opportunity to paint that
Speaker 2: kind of picture. I don't need it to be hampsted,
Speaker 2: but whatever.
Speaker 3: Anyways, before we before we end for today, I really
Speaker 3: want you to tell me how Euphoria ended, because I'm
Speaker 3: never gonna watch it. I don't care, but I would
Speaker 3: really love for you to give me an unhinged breakdown
Speaker 3: of the end. Of Euphoria because I'm sure our listeners
Speaker 3: who don't watch would also.
Speaker 1: Like to hear it.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to give any sort of comprehensive summary, unfortunately,
Speaker 2: because I watched the overwhelming majority of this season with
Speaker 2: my laptop open and my phone being scrolled. So and
Speaker 2: per the tweet that I sent to Rose, somebody spoiler
Speaker 2: alert for Euphoria season finale. If you don't want Euphoria's spoilers,
Speaker 2: the show is not really that good. I think it's whatever.
Speaker 2: You're gonna be fine, but whatever, if you want to skip,
Speaker 2: go ahead. Rude dies, as does Jacob a Lordie, And
Speaker 2: there was a tweet that said, damn Rue died while
Speaker 2: I was getting my cheeks clapped. I'm so sorry Rue,
Speaker 2: Like I didn't mean to do that, Like, and that's
Speaker 2: fucking during Euphoria, baby Baby. Actually I bring up the
Speaker 2: tweet because I actually think it brings a perfect thematic
Speaker 2: kind of assessment of this sentiment around the third season
Speaker 2: of the show, in that it's second screen content. It
Speaker 2: is like, oh, obligatory watching, but also we're not really
Speaker 2: that into it. We get bored. We're gonna like maybe
Speaker 2: fuck instead, or I'm gonna look on my phone instead,
Speaker 2: like that's it was a testament. Actually do the quality
Speaker 2: of the show that it would become a show that
Speaker 2: you fucked to? Which I think that's like kind of
Speaker 2: what a fuck show is. Okay, it's like a low
Speaker 2: quality show.
Speaker 3: What would you say, are other fuck shows? Malcolm in
Speaker 3: the Middle, Avatar, The Last Airbender, not Malcolm in the Middle. Well,
Speaker 3: maybe I can't any I can't fuck while an animated
Speaker 3: show is playing.
Speaker 2: Oh I absolutely could. Ohio Miyazaki, oh down.
Speaker 1: If you but would you fuck during Ferngully?
Speaker 2: I would fuck during fern Gully, Boots, any show that
Speaker 2: you've seen before, absolutely anything if you have.
Speaker 3: And by the way, if you haven't listened to our
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Speaker 2: It's so good. Patreon, so good, it's so good. Dot
Speaker 2: com three times slash like a virgin. Yes, I uh
Speaker 2: maybe three Yes, I'm two and a half. I love
Speaker 2: I love that episode. My show is my favorite show.
Speaker 2: You guys, it's we I love listening to us in
Speaker 2: our friendship. Okay, so girl, I won't I won't summarize
Speaker 2: the whole plot. But basically everyone at the front from
Speaker 2: the start of the film, every every single character is
Speaker 2: either a sex worker or a facilitator of sex workers.
Speaker 2: It is kind of cuckoo bananas, a bizarre and very
Speaker 2: like clear choice. Rue is working at this strip club
Speaker 2: called the Silver Slipper. Rose Alia's cameo is like a
Speaker 2: stripper with a neck brace who kind of advances the plot.
Speaker 2: The villain of this season, I can't remember even his
Speaker 2: character's name, is like the owner of the Silver Slipper.
Speaker 2: Hunter Schaeffer, in a kind of totally different terrain of
Speaker 2: the show, finds herself being a sugar baby for a
Speaker 2: surgeon that pays her rent. Nothing is exported in that,
Speaker 2: like her plotline is basically non existent. And Sidney Sweeney
Speaker 2: becomes is like in pursuit of becoming an onlyfan star,
Speaker 2: and Matt and Alexa Demi Maddie becomes her manager like
Speaker 2: her madame, and it is just like such a There's
Speaker 2: so many things that I think we're confusing about the
Speaker 2: show and its many turns, but I would say in
Speaker 2: a sentence, it is a kind of Quentin Tarantino pastiche
Speaker 2: kind of moment the film that the series is set
Speaker 2: in like desert California, and the backdrop is strip clubs, saloons,
Speaker 2: drug heis. It's many moments, both in music and sound,
Speaker 2: and both music set, sound cues, tropes, plot lines borrow
Speaker 2: from an era of westerns, American westerns, Spaghetti westerns, I
Speaker 2: would say, And obviously Tarantino is famous for his modern
Speaker 2: interpretation of the spaghetti western. What Sam Levinson does is
Speaker 2: perhaps maybe a more expensive looking version of it, a
Speaker 2: more Petro Collins toned version of it. But I did
Speaker 2: not really feel like there was It's missing something that
Speaker 2: we kind of loved about the first few seasons of Euphoria,
Speaker 2: which is a sense of invention. To be honest, I
Speaker 2: don't mind that the show is like a lot of extremities.
Speaker 2: I don't mind that the show really rests on shock
Speaker 2: value like it's always like it always has. But the
Speaker 2: final the final episode of this show basically is the
Speaker 2: villain of this owner of the Silver Slipper has gone
Speaker 2: through the ringer with Rue in a kind of push pull,
Speaker 2: twisty turney relationship of do I trust you? Are you
Speaker 2: gonna betray me? Do I trust you? Are you gonna
Speaker 2: betray me, and Rue as the kind of schlepper for
Speaker 2: the strip club, is constantly doing his bidding but also
Speaker 2: kind of sneaking around. Ultimately, after all a said and done,
Speaker 2: and Rue, for the tenth time in the series, makes
Speaker 2: her final escape. She has like transcended and escaped impossible
Speaker 2: circumstances through the entire series that are like very very
Speaker 2: like plot plot plot, high wire ax car chases, like
Speaker 2: the masterfulness of Sam Levinson's like suspend attention. After all
Speaker 2: of that, he literally just poisons her with fentanyl, a
Speaker 2: fentanyl painkiller that she takes because she got beat up,
Speaker 2: and it's like and that he gives her like and
Speaker 2: she takes it when she goes home to Coleman Domingo's house.
Speaker 2: Her if you don't remember, Ru's AA sponsor, is played
Speaker 2: by Colemen Domingo. He's like quite a beating heart of
Speaker 2: the show and is something of a father figure to her.
Speaker 2: And she dies on his couch and Coleman Domingo goes
Speaker 2: back to the Silver Slipper looking for her revenge in
Speaker 2: a scene that is very satisfying, but ultimately it's kind
Speaker 2: of like it was just upsetting to watch Rue die
Speaker 2: and you know, Sam Levin Sinas said, had said, you know,
Speaker 2: people like Rue don't survive. You know, addicts don't survive essentially,
Speaker 2: which I think is crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really depressing.
Speaker 2: And also the selective realism. Dog like you, your show
Speaker 2: rests on extremism. Your show rests on like just do
Speaker 2: I don't know doing the most. It's not a show
Speaker 2: based in realism. I would say it's portrait of addiction
Speaker 2: is often realist, but that's because of Zendaya, not because
Speaker 2: of Sam Levinson. Sorry, I'm gonna say it.
Speaker 1: And correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 3: But there was speculation that the show might return for
Speaker 3: a fourth season, but HBO has announced that it's.
Speaker 2: For sure over. It's for sure over. There's no if
Speaker 2: censor butts around it. If they want to be evil
Speaker 2: and create a spinoff, I'm sure they will, like with
Speaker 2: Coleman Domingo or you know, to be honest, it would
Speaker 2: be Sidney and maybe Alexademi or maybe just a Sydney show.
Speaker 2: Sidney Sweeney to me, had the most to do for
Speaker 2: the entire series. There's a lot of existing discourse about
Speaker 2: how she was used in this season. I don't know
Speaker 2: if I can really add more to it, I think
Speaker 2: I would point you to a New Yorker article by
Speaker 2: Inku Khan about the show's portrayal of sex work among
Speaker 2: a few other shows like Margo's Got Money, Troubles and
Speaker 2: but as it points out at as many critics have
Speaker 2: point out pointed out, Sidney Sweeney kind of the show
Speaker 2: gestures towards the stigma of sex work and makes jokes
Speaker 2: about how their you know, sex work is work or
Speaker 2: things like that. But at the same but simultaneously, Sidney
Speaker 2: Sweeney has to enact every single kind of either exploitative,
Speaker 2: kind of sexist archetype of a sex worker or the
Speaker 2: kind of male, gazy sexual exploitation and performance of a
Speaker 2: woman who is in sex work. There was it was
Speaker 2: all glamour. I mean, obviously horrible things happened to her,
Speaker 2: But to me, the portrayal of sex work was one
Speaker 2: hundred percent glamor. It was not really that nuanced at
Speaker 2: all to me, not that we expect it to be,
Speaker 2: but uh, what was I think what a lot of
Speaker 2: people are talking about is that there's a film where
Speaker 2: in Sidney Sweeney's character refers to democrats as retarded, and
Speaker 2: it's clear that Sam Levinson is using Sidney Sweeney's public
Speaker 2: image outside of the show and taking her having her
Speaker 2: character Cassie play into that and exhaust interesting. It was really,
Speaker 2: really weird, and you know, Sidney Sweeney is full of agencies.
Speaker 2: She was fully willing to do it. I you know,
Speaker 2: commend her for that whatever, But yeah, it was. The
Speaker 2: show was a little bit of a nothing burger. I
Speaker 2: won't lie nothing. Really very happy that I did not
Speaker 2: continue watching it. Yeah, I I I don't know if
Speaker 2: you have a heart out, but I do need to
Speaker 2: wrap it up, but we have.
Speaker 3: We have some lingering things to talk about that will
Speaker 3: push to next week. Push next week. I did see
Speaker 3: back Rooms. I think fran is going to see it,
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Speaker 2: Bye, love ya.
Speaker 3: Do you have a stop button on your screen? No, Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna hope that if I just end session for all,
Speaker 3: it's gonna work. We'll see, okay,