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Speaker 3: First of all, Kerry roads Man, how you doing heron

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Speaker 3: doing well? Man? This is the first time with you,

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Speaker 3: you know, so it's I'd worked the whole gauntlet and

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Speaker 3: now it's.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna a lot of pressure. I mean, you've

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Speaker 2: worked with Martin Weiss, You've worked with Steve Hartman. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I can't be worse than Steve Hartman.

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Speaker 3: So that's it. That's an easy one. Love you well.

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Speaker 2: Steve is probably dry. If I know Steve, he's probably listening.

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Speaker 2: He's probably driving in. I think he does this show

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Speaker 2: after us. But uh, dude, it's an absolute pleasure. I'm

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Speaker 2: excited to work with you. You know, NFL Draft is coming up.

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Speaker 2: Curious for your perspective on everything that's going to happen

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Speaker 2: on Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and you want to talk to

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Speaker 2: other football But as Isaac just told us, NBA Playoffs

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Speaker 2: last night, four games, all four games go to the

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Speaker 2: home team. So I don't know that there was anything

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Speaker 2: super surprising. As Isaac said, the Los Angeles Lakers have

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Speaker 2: largely been owned by the by the Denver Nuggets, and

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Speaker 2: that ends up being the nightcap there. The Knicks win,

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Speaker 2: the Calvs win, and of course the Minnesota Timberwolves beat

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Speaker 2: the Phoenix Suns. If I said to you Kerry Rhoades's

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Speaker 2: biggest takeaway if there is one out of Day one

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Speaker 2: of the NBA Playoffs, what would you say it was?

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Speaker 3: I think the biggest takeaway is that Cleveland can be scary.

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Speaker 3: Ooh okay, yeah, yeah. I mean I know they've had

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Speaker 3: they got a lot of good players, and they've been injured.

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Speaker 3: You know, Donovan Mitchell has been in and out since,

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Speaker 3: you know, post All Star breaking. So if those guys

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Speaker 3: can stay healthy with you know, with Evan Mobley starting

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Speaker 3: to pick his game up a little bit and played

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Speaker 3: the way that he played last year with that supporting

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Speaker 3: cast and the way that they can play defense, they

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Speaker 3: could be fun to watch. And I think also with

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Speaker 3: the Lakers, even though they got you know, you know,

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Speaker 3: stretched out there a little bit at the end and

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Speaker 3: the score looked a little, you know, a little worse

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Speaker 3: than what it was, they played some good basketball. So

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Speaker 3: if they can maintain that, maybe maybe that can be

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Speaker 3: a fun series. They were up by three. You know,

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Speaker 3: it's interesting. I did three hours last night in my

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Speaker 3: normal spot. We really didn't talk much about Cleveland Orlando. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: so I'm curious for your perspective because the thing about

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Speaker 3: I just find the East to be very interesting.

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Speaker 2: Boston has obviously been to the finals, multiple conference finals,

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Speaker 2: but it doesn't feel like anybody really has real faith that, Like,

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Speaker 2: are they really gonna beat whoever comes out of the West.

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Speaker 3: You know, they've been weird.

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Speaker 2: They get to the finals, they kind of get embarrassed

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Speaker 2: by Golden State a few years ago.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, Milwaukee's a mess.

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Speaker 2: We don't even know fully the status of Giannis Antennakupo

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Speaker 2: going into today. Philly obviously mbe coming off the injury.

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Speaker 2: The Knicks with their own injury issues, even though they're.

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Speaker 3: The two seed.

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Speaker 2: So you think you think there might be a nice

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Speaker 2: little path here for Cleveland potentially, well, they're.

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Speaker 3: Not going to be Boston, but I mean they could

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Speaker 3: challenge Boston. They could. They could give Boston the scare

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Speaker 3: I mean, the East looks like looks like a cake

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Speaker 3: walk for them. They played well, They've been head and

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Speaker 3: shoulders above the rest when it comes to the competition

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Speaker 3: out there. But again, Cleveland during the year had a

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Speaker 3: big stretch where I think they were almost I think

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Speaker 3: they were like fifteen in a row right there during

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Speaker 3: the middle of the season. And if they can stay

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Speaker 3: healthy and play well, it'd be an interesting series, all right.

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Speaker 3: So let's go to the Lakers really quick. Denver.

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Speaker 2: You know, Denver just owns this team, and obviously there

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Speaker 2: they have manipulated the schedule whatever where they didn't have

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Speaker 2: to play Denver in Round one? But you know, it's

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Speaker 2: crazy because you watch all four of these games, and honestly,

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Speaker 2: I just feel like, to me, I feel like this

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Speaker 2: understanding that we're here in Los Angeles, Tyreck dot Com Studios,

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Speaker 2: Lakers are the biggest brand in the NBA.

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Speaker 3: We get all that, but.

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Speaker 2: It's like this game kind of went the way that

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Speaker 2: I thought it would because I honestly I saw four

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Speaker 2: I'm not even kidding when I say last year those four,

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Speaker 2: that four game sweep. You know, the Lakers were essentially

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Speaker 2: in every single one of those games. We were talking

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Speaker 2: to produce. I was talking to producer Bo this morning,

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Speaker 2: and it's like, it just feels like there's that one,

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Speaker 2: like the Nuggets go on to run, the Lakers have

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Speaker 3: And last night it was no different.

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Speaker 2: You know, Lakers up by three at the half, and

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Speaker 2: it's just like, you know, the Lakers cut it to

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Speaker 2: like they were gonna get in it. Just you know,

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about the Lakers and Lebron throughout

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Speaker 2: the show. But it just feels like this team has

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Speaker 2: the Lakers number, and I like, does it go five,

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Speaker 2: does it go six, does it go four? I don't know,

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Speaker 2: but I just don't see the scenario where the Lakers are,

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Speaker 3: Well, Denver's been big time in the clutch. They have

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Speaker 3: a two man game that's just been pretty much unstoppable

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Speaker 3: the last couple of years, right and so, and they

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Speaker 3: have a better start in five, I mean they starting

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Speaker 3: I think the Lakers have a really pretty skilled starting

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Speaker 3: through Yokics. Man, it's just been unstoppable. But I mean,

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna, you know, push the

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Speaker 3: So what what do you think the series ends up

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Speaker 3: I think they're gonna put some pressure on Denver, and

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Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be good for Denver. I'm not

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Speaker 3: saying that Denver is gonna lose this this series. It's

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Speaker 3: one of those things, the same when I talk about Boston, right,

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Speaker 3: there's always gonna be a series in the playoffs where

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Speaker 3: to get over that hump to essentially get it done.

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Speaker 3: And it can be as early as the first round

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Speaker 3: for the Nuggets, because I think the Lakers are actually

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Speaker 3: when you talk about pieces fitting well they're playing, they've

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Speaker 3: been playing really good basketball down the stretch.

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you about the Phoenix Minnesota series, because

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Speaker 2: that to me, if I had one big takeaway from

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Speaker 2: Day one of the NBA Playoffs, it was in that game.

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Speaker 2: And it was, frankly, a little bit of confirmation bias,

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Speaker 2: like like, you know, you know, I get a lot

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Speaker 2: just bring it up because I saw the KD with

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Speaker 2: two superstars thing with no bench.

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Speaker 3: I saw that already, it was three years ago in Brooklyn.

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Speaker 2: It didn't work then and I get you know, Booker's

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Speaker 2: probably got a little bit of a better head on

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Speaker 3: James Harden's a little.

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Speaker 2: Aloof But like I just you know, like like when

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Speaker 2: I go back to the day the Bradley Beal trade

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, that big three?

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Speaker 2: Oh well what and it's like they have no bench,

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Speaker 2: Like what are we talk Like? Okay, it's cool, it's fun.

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Speaker 2: This isn't fantasy basketball. And I think you know what

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Speaker 2: was it was coming off of the Denver run last year,

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Speaker 2: where yes, Jokich is the star, Murray's the clear number two,

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Speaker 2: but you're getting contributions from Michael Portiere, getting contributions from

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Speaker 2: who was on the team, from Christian Brown off the bench,

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Speaker 2: say with Phoenix is it's I don't it's not gonna work.

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Speaker 2: Like it's not gonna work this year. I'm not enough

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Speaker 3: But what I saw last night. Like I I.

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Speaker 2: One, I think they're probably done in this series. But

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Speaker 2: even if they're not, Yeah, you basically need a great,

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Speaker 2: Kevin Durant and Devin Booker every single night. You look

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Speaker 2: at last night, Devin Booker eighteen points five of sixteen

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Speaker 2: the field, he finishes with eighteen points, you'll lose by

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Speaker 2: twenty five. And so by the way Booker goes for eighteen,

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Speaker 2: even if he goes for thirty five, you still lose

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Speaker 2: that game. It's like, I just that is My biggest

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Speaker 2: new Big three was formed in Phoenix, and what is it.

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Speaker 2: It's like, you need a bench, you need depth. The

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Speaker 2: It's just I just it's done. I think it's been

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Speaker 2: done since the day that that trade. I've just never

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Speaker 2: bought into this team. And maybe I'm overreacting in one game,

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Speaker 2: but it just I don't see it.

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Speaker 3: I'm with you, I've never overreacted to that trade as well.

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Speaker 3: I thought that trade wasn't gonna put them over to hump.

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Speaker 3: Seeing Bradley Beal, I watched a lot of him last

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Speaker 3: year in Washington because I'm I was gonna why yeah,

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Speaker 3: only because I porzingis so Porzingka is my guy, and

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Speaker 3: he was going to react in Washington. So I saw

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Speaker 3: Bradley Beal. He's not a point guard, right, so you

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Speaker 3: bring him in to run that show, That's not what

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Speaker 3: he does. Watching him last year and Washington tried to

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Speaker 3: assume that position, even when you know when John Wall

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Speaker 3: Number One, he doesn't take care of the ball. Well,

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Speaker 3: he's flashy with his handle, he can get hit shot,

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Speaker 3: but he's not a facilitator so to speak. Right, So

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Speaker 3: to put three guys in that system together who need

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Speaker 3: to shoot the ball, it just didn't fit in the

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Speaker 3: sense of structurally for those guys and for that team

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Speaker 3: to win, Booker has to be the alpha. Right now.

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Speaker 3: You know, everybody kind of defaults to Kevin Durant, especially

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Speaker 3: when it comes to the playoffs, because of who he is.

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Speaker 3: You agree with that men absolutely. Right now this league,

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Speaker 3: the top three four players are all European, yep. And so

432
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Speaker 3: it's like number one, that's that's the new wave. The

433
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Speaker 3: new wave is free flowing basketball points skilled players at

434
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Speaker 3: the top that are young. And we have that. We

435
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Speaker 3: have Luca, we have Sga who's from Canada, we have Jokicic,

436
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Speaker 3: we have Giannis. Giannis has been hurt and I'm not

437
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Speaker 3: even putting Giannis in that group right now. I think

438
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Speaker 3: he's on, he's on. I think he's on the tail

439
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Speaker 3: dive as well. His game isn't really built built for

440
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Speaker 3: where we are right now. He's still kind of in

441
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Speaker 3: the same place that he's been. He scores the same way.

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Speaker 3: He's not really evolved his game, and I don't think

443
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Speaker 3: he really can. He's not that skilled of a player.

444
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Speaker 3: He's a good player, obviously, one of the greats, but

445
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Speaker 3: he's not that skilled to be able to make transitions

446
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Speaker 3: to evolve his game to now shooting threes and shooting

447
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Speaker 3: mid range and doing all the things that Luca or

448
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Speaker 3: SGA can do. Right. So, Anthony Edwards as well, So

449
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Speaker 3: you talk about these players, you talk about Jason Tatum,

450
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Speaker 3: Thrum in the mix as well. So the game is changing.

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Speaker 3: It all always does. And yeah, I'm with you. I

452
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Speaker 3: think the game has kind of passed them on as

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Speaker 3: far as postseason coming, because they'll be fine in regular season.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna throw a total curble at you that I

455
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Speaker 2: didn't you know, mentioned to you before, but you're obviously

456
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Speaker 2: you know sports here around him all that, it's kind

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Speaker 2: of been a talking point. Are you at all worried

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Speaker 2: about like the quote unquote like state of American basketball?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 2: You have, like you said, all all the emerging stars Jokich,

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Speaker 2: Luca Sga.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if you want to throw Jamal.

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Speaker 2: Murray from Canada in there, Tatum, it's like, is he

464
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Speaker 2: ever gonna be that guy that's like, you know, he's

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Speaker 2: had success, but he got to the finals and he

466
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Speaker 2: kind of flamed out whatever. Anthony Edwards maybe, but I

467
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Speaker 2: don't know, is it something you worry about it being

468
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Speaker 2: a sports fan? Is it in your consciousness or do

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Speaker 2: you think that's an over overblown kind of narrative.

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Speaker 3: I think is overblown. I mean basketball is basketball skilled

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Speaker 3: players of skilled players. Obviously, our kids can can be

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Speaker 3: just as skilled as they are if we teach it

473
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Speaker 3: that way, sure, and we give them the blueprint on that.

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Speaker 3: But right now, a lot of times, you know, in

475
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Speaker 3: the US, we get caught up on flash more than substance.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's kind of just what it is

477
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Speaker 3: we're in in the community in an era now where

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Speaker 3: you know Instagram, it's the socid media man. And so

479
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Speaker 3: like all these mixtapes and highlights highlight tapes, I want

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Speaker 3: to see a game. I want to see if you're skilled.

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Speaker 3: I want to see if you can pull up in

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Speaker 3: the mid range and make a shot, if you can

483
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Speaker 3: get in the mid range, take a pump fake and

484
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Speaker 3: do a you know, a two step to get to

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Speaker 3: the lake, to the layups and know just the stuff

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Speaker 3: that Luca does. And so it's that's about teaching it.

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Speaker 3: We have the ability, So I'm not worried about that.

488
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Speaker 3: I think Jason Tatum receives a lot of unfair critician

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Speaker 3: as well. I mean, the guy has done nothing, but

490
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Speaker 3: when he hasn't won the big one yet, but he's

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Speaker 3: been there. He's twenty six years old. To say I

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Speaker 3: was gonna look it up, I bet he's And it's

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Speaker 3: just like I get it. We want instant gratification. But

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Speaker 3: the kid is he's gonna win one. You know what

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Speaker 3: I think it is. It's because he was so good

496
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Speaker 3: so young. If you remember that rookie year, nineteen years old,

497
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Speaker 3: he's going shot for shot with Lebron in the Eastern

498
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Speaker 3: Conference Finals twenty eighteen. And like you said, sometimes it

499
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Speaker 3: just takes time. Just because he had a moment when

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Speaker 3: he's nineteen years old doesn't mean that he's gonna be

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Speaker 3: the best player in the league aet twenty years old.

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Speaker 3: So I do think this is kind of an important

503
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Speaker 3: as we start to kind of look ahead to today's games,

504
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Speaker 3: I think this is an important playoffs for him. I mean,

505
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Speaker 3: it's a weird correlation, but I remember going into the

506
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Speaker 3: NFL playoffs this year, it's like everything's kind of breaking

507
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Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson's way right, home field advantage, the defense is

508
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Speaker 3: playing great. Those Kansas City Chiefs say they're not playing

509
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Speaker 3: very well right now.

510
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Speaker 2: They just lost to the Raiders on Christmas Day, and

511
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Speaker 2: I you know, it didn't work out for Lamar.

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Speaker 3: I don't blame Lamar. I think it was terrible play

513
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Speaker 3: calling in this.

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Speaker 2: But the point I'm trying to make is I kind

515
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Speaker 2: of feel that way for Jason Tatum. It's like Giannis

516
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Speaker 2: is hurt and beat is hurt. You know, the knixt

517
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Speaker 2: of the two seeds, Julius Randalls hurt. You know, it's

518
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Speaker 2: like this kind of has to be the year you

519
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Speaker 2: have to at least get back to the finals. And

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Speaker 2: it's like, you know, if you lose, because the Nuggets

521
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Speaker 2: are incredible, that's one thing, but if you know, if

522
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Speaker 2: you lose in round two to whoever, to the Calves,

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Speaker 2: it's gonna be like that's when I do think we

524
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Speaker 2: start to have questions. I mean, I think the path

525
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Speaker 2: has opened up very nicely for Boston this year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the thing with Tatum as well, is

527
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Speaker 3: he's an people question whether he's in alpha male when

528
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Speaker 3: it comes to whose team is that. Obviously he's the

529
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Speaker 3: best player on that year, but a lot of times

530
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Speaker 3: you'll see Jayleen Brown step into that role a lot

531
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Speaker 3: of the times. You see Al Horford jumping that role

532
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Speaker 3: a lot of the times. And I think this year,

533
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Speaker 3: with the addition of Holiday in porzingis obviously Holiday has won,

534
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Speaker 3: so he has something to kind of take from to

535
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Speaker 3: lean on, and so he doesn't essentially have to be

536
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Speaker 3: the alpha all the time. But they're gonna be big

537
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Speaker 3: moments in the playoffs where he's gonna have to and

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Speaker 3: I think that's where we have to judge him because

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Speaker 3: that team is so good. They have three team, they

540
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Speaker 3: have three players averaging twenty points per game. So his

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Speaker 3: numbers as far as score may not look like the

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Speaker 3: Luca the or the Jokics as far as the number

543
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Speaker 3: the top number, right, But in the big moments is

544
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Speaker 3: when he's gonna have to step up. And we'll see

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Speaker 3: this year.

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Speaker 2: We will see this year, we will see twenty seven

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Speaker 2: minutes yea, now, as Game one of the Miami Heat

548
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Speaker 2: and Boston Celtics will tip off, and I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 2: We'll come back, maybe switch gears, talk a little bit

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Speaker 2: of NFL. But before we do, first time this afternoon,

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Speaker 2: let's toss it over the news desk, Isaac Lohnkrawn.

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Speaker 3: What is trending, my friend?

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Speaker 5: Well, thank you, fellas, and that is what is trending

554
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Speaker 5: the playoffs, both the NBA and the Stanley Cup variety.

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Speaker 5: Game one, as you said, tipping off of the top

556
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Speaker 5: of the hour from Boston between the Celtics and the

557
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Speaker 5: Miami Heat. Boston, of course the one seed in the

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Speaker 5: Eastern Conference, On Saturday night, Denver defeated the Los Angeles

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Speaker 5: Lakers in their Game one one fourteen to one h three.

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Speaker 5: Nikola Jokic thirty two points, twelve rebounds and seven assists

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Speaker 5: is Denver won it's ninth straight head to meeting with

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Speaker 5: the Lakers. Earlier Saturday night at Madison Square Garden, the

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Speaker 5: New York Knicks won their Game one over the Philadelphia

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Speaker 5: seventy six Ers one eleven to one four. Today's Stanley

565
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Speaker 5: Cup playoff action about to face off with Game one

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Speaker 5: from Florida between the Panthers and the Tampa Bay Lightning,

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Speaker 5: while on Saturday night, the Boston Bruins toppled the Toronto

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Speaker 5: Maple Leafs five to one. Now in boxing, on Saturday night,

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Speaker 5: heavy underdog Ryan Garcia upset the previously thirty one and

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Speaker 5: oh Devin Haney by decision. He knocked down Haney three

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Speaker 5: times during the course of the bout. Garcia was not

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Speaker 5: eligible to win Haney's junior welterweight title belt, however, because

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Speaker 5: he weighed too much at the waiy In on Friday.

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Speaker 5: This the same way In where Garcia drank a beer

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Speaker 5: while on stage at the way In and then after

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Speaker 5: the fight last night. After his victory, drinking was still

577
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Speaker 5: very much on Garcia's mind.

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Speaker 6: I walk through the fire and still how to down

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Speaker 6: and still drink every day and still beat them and

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Speaker 6: ill I do everything. Drank every single night, went out

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Speaker 6: on the first Monday and a Tuesday and.

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Speaker 3: Drank andrew what happened?

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Speaker 6: I won? I necessarily am I proud of that, But

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Speaker 6: I'm just saying this is why it.

585
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Speaker 3: Was a statement, to show you that's right. I do

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Speaker 3: whatever I want. I still win.

587
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Speaker 5: Ryan Garcia with the anti Tom Brady TB twelve method,

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Speaker 5: back to you guys.

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Speaker 3: Oh nice, that was incredible. Actually, yeah I hear that audio.

590
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 3: Me neither. I'm excited too. I'm having to drink right now.

591
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Speaker 3: I drink of coffee. Yeah. Whatever, as laws, we do

592
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Speaker 3: the show.

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Speaker 2: By the way, twenty five minutes until tip off. Just

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Speaker 2: put on NBA Countdown. Kendrick Perk is still in our take?

595
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Speaker 2: Is Jason Tatum ready to be the best player and

596
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Speaker 2: take over in the postseason? I think they must be

597
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 2: listening to Fox Sports Radio over there, so yeah they are,

598
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 2: no question, no question.

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Speaker 3: Why wouldn't they. Everyone knows Perk looks up to.

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Speaker 2: Me, So all right, Fox sports radio aeron Torust carry

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Speaker 2: roads in on a Sunday afternoon Sunday morning, depending on

602
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Speaker 2: where you.

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Speaker 3: Are carry let's switch gears.

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00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, so you obviously, you know, played in

605
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Speaker 2: the NFL for quite some time. First of let me

606
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Speaker 2: just ask you this, what is this week like for

607
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 2: a player? So NFL Draft Thursday, we'll get to all

608
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Speaker 2: our takes and who's gonna go where and all that stuff,

609
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Speaker 2: but you live through it. What is this week like

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Speaker 2: for a guy getting ready for Thursday, Friday, Saturday.

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Speaker 3: It's big, man, It's it's life changing, it's nervous, it's

612
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Speaker 3: it's it's nerve wrecking, it's it's a lot of things.

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Speaker 3: I think you go through the whole gauntlet of emotions, right,

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Speaker 3: a guy like myself, who you know, was projected anywhere

615
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Speaker 3: from second to fourth round. And you know, obviously as

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Speaker 3: an optimist, you're always thinking, oh, I know better than

617
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 3: second Sure, sure, sure, And you bring your whole family

618
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Speaker 3: comes up to Louisville and we have like a little

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Speaker 3: watch party in my room, and you know, grandmother's there,

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Speaker 3: the whole family's there, and we're sitting there and obviously

621
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Speaker 3: second round comes around. You're excited, it's my time. It's

622
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Speaker 3: my time, Aaron. And then you sit through the first

623
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Speaker 3: day and you don't get picked, and you're like, oh,

624
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Speaker 3: it's not my time. It's not my time. So you

625
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 3: go through those emotions and you got to be comforted,

626
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Speaker 3: and you have to have those conversations with your parents

627
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Speaker 3: and you love one, so it's to be reassured that

628
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 3: it's going to be okay. So the whole gauntlet of things,

629
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Speaker 3: and I go out and see my friends later that

630
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Speaker 3: night and they're doing the same thing, which is great.

631
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Speaker 3: So having that great support staff support system around helps.

632
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 3: So were these ex team like teammatescheers, oval some of them,

633
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 3: some of them and just you know, like I said,

634
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Speaker 3: family was there. But then you know, you come back,

635
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 3: get taken off the board early in the second round,

636
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Speaker 3: fourth pick, so the Jets, and then it's like, all right,

637
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Speaker 3: I'm in the door. I got drafted in the situation

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Speaker 3: where it looks like it's going to be good for

639
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 3: me as well, and so you kind of have to

640
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Speaker 3: temper temper things down to okay, do you want to

641
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 3: go second round, you want to go highest or do

642
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Speaker 3: you want to go to the best place, the best

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Speaker 3: possible fit. And so as a player, you want to

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Speaker 3: go into those situations where you have a chance to

645
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Speaker 3: go to the best. I believe and that that was

646
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Speaker 3: my experience, and I went to the Jets and you know,

647
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 3: never looked back. Started from day one, and you know

648
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Speaker 3: the rest is history.

649
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Speaker 2: Let me ask a dumb question, do you have because

650
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 2: so like Caleb Williams, right, so he's obviously probably only

651
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 2: met with the Bears, maybe Washington whatever, but he's not

652
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 2: going eleven to the Vikings, right, I mean the Vikings

653
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 2: could trade up when you're you could go you know,

654
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 2: you said second to fourth. Have you met with all

655
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Speaker 2: thirty two teams? Do you have an idea of who

656
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 2: is interested less interested? Or is there a group of

657
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 2: four or five teams where you know, because like as

658
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,479
Speaker 2: an example, like right last year, this is an extreme example,

659
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 2: but we knew, Okay, you know Bryce Young's going one,

660
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 2: and then you know Houston needs a guy, the Colts

661
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 2: need a guy. And then it's like there's four quarterbacks

662
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 2: for three spots, and whoever doesn't get picked by the Colts,

663
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 2: there's probably a pretty good chance that they're gonna fall.

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Speaker 3: Right.

665
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Speaker 2: Do you know if there's four or five, seven, whatever,

666
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 2: it is teams that are interested. And then do you

667
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 2: also know, like, oh, I thought I was going to Arizona,

668
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 2: and I know these next four teams I didn't really

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Speaker 2: have a conversation with, so I'm probably not going to

670
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 2: them or at that stage?

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Speaker 3: Is it not like that? Yeah, it's like that. I

672
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 3: mean for me, it was that way as well. So

673
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 3: I talked to, you know, a lot of teams. I

674
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 3: remember distinctly four or five where I was like, I'd

675
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 3: probably go there. I'm probably going to one of those teams, right,

676
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 3: so for sure, I mean I met with the Jets

677
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 3: at the Combine. I met with the Patriots at the Combine.

678
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 3: I had visits to all these teams. I had visits

679
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 3: to the Ravens, I had visits to the car and

680
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,239
Speaker 3: it was like all these things, and so it's like,

681
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 3: all right, this is probably what every time that team

682
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 3: came up, I'm like, all right, you know that whole deal.

683
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,719
Speaker 3: And so, you know, I really thought I was to

684
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 3: be honest, I thought it was going to be Baltimore

685
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 3: or the Patriots, meeting with both of them here and

686
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 3: all those guys, you know, talking to Menjenie Belichick and

687
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 3: all those guys, you know, man Genie ended up being

688
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 3: my coach after after my second year, and so like

689
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 3: you start to see that, you're like, oh, I get it.

690
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 3: But the Jets actually moved up in front of the

691
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 3: Patriots to take me even a little fourth round movement.

692
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 3: We had a little fourth round movement that happened. So

693
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Speaker 3: it was it was fun to see. It was. It

694
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Speaker 3: was cool that process. I'm guessing I know the answer

695
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Speaker 3: to this.

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Speaker 2: You never saw Belichick never like pulled you aside in

697
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 2: one of those big AFC matchups in AFC East matchups

698
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 2: and was like that pesky, those pesky Jets, we were

699
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 2: ready to grab you two spots.

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Speaker 3: Like I'm guessing nothing like that ever happened with him,

701
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 3: not that in particular, but me and Belichick we talked

702
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 3: a lot. Actually, he was very complimentary of my game

703
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 3: on in the media and stuff like that, and so

704
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 3: talk to him on the field every now and then.

705
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 3: But the Mangeniu one was funny because playing them my

706
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 3: rookie year, I mean, obviously we talked and you know,

707
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 3: they wanted me, and then he ends up being my

708
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 3: coach the next year, so it kind of worked out fantastic.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what we'll come back. We'll actually share

710
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 2: some takes. We know that Caleb Williams is going number one.

711
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 2: Once we get to number two, it gets much more interesting,

712
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 2: speaking to which the Patriots at number three are kind

713
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 2: of a fascinating spot as well. We'll come back, we'll

714
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 2: talk some NFL Draft, which is obviously Thursday, and remember

715
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Speaker 2: we will have live coverage here on Fox Sports Radio

716
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Speaker 2: with Jay Glazer, Steve Kime, LeVar Arrington, and Rob Stone.

717
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 2: NFL Draft next Fox Sports Radio. Fox Sports Radio Sunday

718
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Speaker 2: edition thirteen minutes from tip off of the first NBA

719
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Speaker 2: playoff game of the day Miami at Boston one pm

720
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Speaker 2: Eastern Time. But NFL Draft on Thursday, again, eight pm Eastern,

721
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Speaker 2: we will have live coverage with Rob Stone, former Cardinals,

722
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 2: GM Steve Kaime, insider Jay Glazer, and College Football Hall

723
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Speaker 2: of Fame LeVar Arrington.

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Speaker 1: Carry.

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Speaker 2: When I say twenty twenty four NFL Draft, it is

726
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 2: a very broad question. You could take it in any

727
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 2: direction that you want. We know Caleb's going one. After that,

728
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 2: like I'll say this, it's a fun draft. From that

729
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 2: perspective is I think you can see two or three

730
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Speaker 2: different guys go at number two. Then what happens at

731
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Speaker 2: number three? Are teams like the Cardinals or Chargers going

732
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 2: to trade back knowing that people need quarterbacks. You know,

733
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Speaker 2: I think even the quarterback order depends on who you

734
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Speaker 2: talk to. So there's a lot of variables going into

735
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Speaker 2: Thursday night. What intrigues you the most going into Thursday night?

736
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Speaker 2: I mean, I think the most intriguing thing is there's

737
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 2: a lot of scenarios.

738
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Speaker 3: But for me, the the Iowa cornerback Dejigon, Wow, that

739
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 3: was a curveball. He was injured, so he didn't go

740
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 3: to the UH to the combine and do anything, but

741
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 3: he did his drills here a little bit before the draft,

742
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Speaker 3: and all the measurables are that he's really explosive dB

743
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Speaker 3: and that I mean, we saw that on tape, but

744
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 3: to actually see him work out and do it that way. So,

745
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 3: you know, as a former dB seeing seeing that guy,

746
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 3: you know a lot of that hasn't been a white

747
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,720
Speaker 3: starting cornerback in the National Football League in a long time,

748
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Speaker 3: and so I would love to see him have some

749
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Speaker 3: really good success.

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Speaker 2: Well it's wild because you know, we all make fun

751
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 2: of Iowa football, but Jack Campbell came from Iowa. It

752
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 2: was very successful last year. Chris Purfett may be familiar

753
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 2: with him. Sam Laporta came from Iowa, that's correct. You

754
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 2: may be familiar with his handy work here as a

755
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 2: pro bowler as a rookie this year. So it's like,

756
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 2: we make fun of Iowa at the college level, but

757
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 2: at the pro they produce pros and whatever they're doing,

758
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 2: they develop guys really well internally. What do you think

759
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 2: happens to number two? I mean, it's it's cliche, but

760
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 2: I just find the whole quarterback conversation fascinating because it

761
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 2: felt like there was a very clear one too, Caleb's one,

762
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 2: then it's Drake May, and then you know, throughout the

763
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 2: season it was is that Marvin Harrison is at brock Bowers?

764
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Speaker 3: Is it whatever? Jaden Daniels wins the Heisman? He's incredible.

765
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 2: Now it's not just oh, Jaden Daniels could go in

766
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 2: the top three, it's that he could surpass Drake May,

767
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 2: and then depending on who you listen to, Drake May

768
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Speaker 2: could fall you know, maybe the quarterback four, maybe JJ

769
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 2: McCarthy jumps up. So what do you think happens with

770
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Speaker 2: this whole quarterback conundrum at at the top of it.

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Speaker 3: You know what, I really don't know. I do know.

772
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 3: I do know that if the commanders stay at too

773
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 3: and they want to take Jaden Daniels, it makes sense sure,

774
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 3: just from the whole regime, uh, you know, magic being

775
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,720
Speaker 3: there and having that, you know, I guess a little

776
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 3: trickle of you know, magic and showtime in that situation.

777
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 3: To bring Jaden Daniels in that situation, He's he's he's flashing,

778
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 3: he can make the big plays, he can take it

779
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 3: to the house from from from eighty yards out, he

780
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 3: can make every throw, and so to have somebody that's

781
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 3: kind of fits that bill seems like it's the right

782
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 3: thing to do. I mean, I think d Drake May

783
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Speaker 3: watching him play, I watched a lot of him because

784
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Speaker 3: of Louisville and Accu seeing him. He has flashes of

785
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 3: being brilliant and looking really good, but he's also has

786
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 3: moments of being really pedestrian. So to have that happen

787
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Speaker 3: on the collegiate level where you actually look that way

788
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 3: on tape on film, in that league, it's hard for

789
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 3: me to say that he's a clear cut number two guy.

790
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 3: Now me personally, I would say Jayden Daniels, But you know,

791
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 3: we'll see, we'll see how that goes real quick.

792
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 2: Do you think there's one? I'm not an exus and

793
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 2: O's expert. You know, we kind of know what Cliff

794
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 2: Kingsbury's hit track record is as a play caller. Is

795
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 2: there one that you think fits better at what with Washington?

796
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 3: Number two? I think yeah, I think it's Daniel Kyler

797
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,919
Speaker 3: and I I could see that. I mean, it would

798
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 3: fit him for sure, But but Drake May is not

799
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 3: a statue. He can move a little bit as well,

800
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,240
Speaker 3: So it's gonna be fit We know that, and hopefully

801
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 3: whoever comes in they actually give him the resources to

802
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 3: be good and give him time as well, because it's

803
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 3: hard to play in that league as a rookie. I

804
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 3: mean obviously you know in Houston they would say differently,

805
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 3: yeah with their guy, but with style, but a lot

806
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 3: of times it takes a little time.

807
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 2: So then let's go to that next part because I

808
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 2: think the interesting thing then becomes how about number three?

809
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 2: Because you talk about resources, you talk about first year

810
00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 2: head coach, defensive head coach, no real skill, issition talent

811
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 2: that I'm aware of, to speak of, defensive culture. Cold

812
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:08,240
Speaker 2: weather AFC East feels like whoever ends up in New England.

813
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 2: And I don't think there's any doubt they're going to

814
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 2: take a quarterback, Like I feel like their back's gonna

815
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 2: be kind of against the wall.

816
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 3: Is that fair to say? One hundred percent? And I

817
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,919
Speaker 3: would see New England trying to be smarter than everyone else.

818
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 3: And yep, at the end of the day, you know,

819
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 3: drop out of that third spot. How'd they do for

820
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 3: the sake of whatever quarterback ends up there? That's the point, right,

821
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 3: Like whoever, whatever quarterback they bring in is not going

822
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 3: to have instanct success there. And obviously you know this,

823
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 3: they've had some really bad years, some down years in

824
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 3: New England. A couple in the row doesn't really sit

825
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 3: well for that fan base. So I don't know what

826
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 3: they're going to do. I think, you know, Drake may

827
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 3: kind of fits the bill as far as you know,

828
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 3: seemingly strong arm quarterback, a bigger guy, a guy that

829
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 3: can come in and seems like he can whether the

830
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 3: stormy seems even tempered when I've seen them play and

831
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 3: even in his interviews and stuff. So yeah, I mean,

832
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 3: in my in the perfect draft world, if we were

833
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 3: talking trying to construct this thing and really do it

834
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 3: the book. I mean, I could see it being Caleb

835
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 3: Daniels and Drake May and I think everybody would be

836
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 3: happy in that position. Just draft JJ McCarthy. I mean,

837
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 3: he's the best quarterback prospect cold cold Weather too.

838
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Speaker 2: I'm not as ti JJ McCarthy as everybody. I'll just

839
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 2: say this really quick on JJ McCarthy because we got

840
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 2: to come back talk a little bit, a little bit

841
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 2: about Bill Belichick. Yeah, the one thing that nobody talks

842
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 2: about with JJ McCarthy plays fifteen games this year, six

843
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 2: without his head coach and against the two best defenses

844
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 2: that he saw all year. His primary play caller was

845
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 2: the active head coach. And I just sit there and say, like, Okay,

846
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 2: put Michael Pennix in a situation where Calen de Boor

847
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 2: finds out an hour before kickoff that he's not coaching

848
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 2: in the biggest game, and uh, let's see how you know.

849
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 2: I'm not knocking Michael Penix. But it's like, I don't

850
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 2: feel like anybody talks about that with JJ McCarthy, You.

851
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 3: Know, No, I like JJ. I think he's I think

852
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 3: it's gonna be good, a good pro as well. I

853
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 3: just don't think you could take him with the top

854
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 3: three picks. We saw what he was. We had, he

855
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 3: had some good games, He has all the all the

856
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 3: skills set to be a very good pro. But we don't.

857
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Speaker 3: We don't. Oh yeah, very interesting stuff.

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Speaker 2: It all starts Thursday, NFL Draft. We'll come back talk

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00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 2: about a guy that's not in the draft. Belichick. Next,

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Speaker 2: get underway. Boston Celtics and the Miami Heat are the

868
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 2: first game today. By the way, me and JJ Reddick

869
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 2: have a little social media beef, but that's neither here

870
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 2: nor there.

871
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 3: Really.

872
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, he ended up coming at me about something I

873
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 2: ended up being right, and I just kind of poked

874
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 2: him every single time. Uh huh, I was right until

875
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 2: he just finally blocked me.

876
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 3: So you want to speak on a little bit.

877
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 2: What was it, Oh, I mean, this is like an

878
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 2: hour conversation, but no, it was.

879
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:04,240
Speaker 3: It was something I ended up proving.

880
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 2: So I it was during the NCAA Tournament, so I

881
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 2: can vividly remember. It was the twenty twenty two, so

882
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 2: two years ago, Elite eight. It was Houston versus Villanova.

883
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 2: And I know you follow college basketball a little bit too,

884
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 2: very physical teams. They just play like real in your

885
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 2: shirt defense, like kind of defense you can't play in

886
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 2: the NBA, Like the rules just don't allow it. And so,

887
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 2: I mean, I could probably find the tweet right now,

888
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 2: but all I said, you know, it was one of

889
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 2: those where I love college basketball, but I get that

890
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 2: it's not for everybody. But it was one of those

891
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,280
Speaker 2: games where it was like, you know, twenty eight twenty

892
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 2: four at the half, and it was like and it

893
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 2: was the game where all the NBA people come in

894
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 2: and say, this's just why I can't watch college basketball

895
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 2: though product is so bad. It's like and all I

896
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 2: said was, if NBA players were allowed to play defense

897
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 2: the way that college players are, we'd see a lot

898
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 2: of NBA games in the nineties and eighties didn't seem

899
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 2: that controversial. It wasn't a criticism, It wasn't even a

900
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 2: criticism of the NBA. And it was a lot of

901
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 2: people perceived it as, oh, look at this college guy

902
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 2: saying that that that that NBA players don't play defense.

903
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 2: So it kind of made its rounds around NBA Twitter,

904
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 2: and so JJ Reddick just hops in and he says, uh,

905
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 2: tell me you don't watch the NBA without telling me

906
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 2: you don't watch the NBA. And so what ended up

907
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 2: happening was so first of all, I just said, look,

908
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 2: this is not a criticism of the NBA, it's just

909
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 2: the rules have changed. I mean, you can go back

910
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 2: to the hand check era. Yeah, every finals game, like

911
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 2: I think the last finals before the hand check was

912
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 2: that Lakers Pistons Finals and four. Every game was in

913
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 2: the eighties. Yeah, And so he kind of turned on me. Whatever,

914
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 2: and so long story short, the playoffs happen. Sure enough,

915
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 2: defense amps up. You play a team four, five, six times,

916
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 2: you know each other. So every single time that a

917
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 2: game was in the eighties or nineties, I just beay, JJ,

918
00:42:58,960 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 2: did you see that game?

919
00:42:59,600 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 4: Hey?

920
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 3: J just see by the.

921
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 2: Way, there was a moment it was incredible. He had

922
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 2: Kevin Durant on his podcast that week, and he called me,

923
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 2: I can't say it on are He called me an

924
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 2: f head on his podcast I'll find you the clip

925
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 2: during raat Yeah, but he says there was some college

926
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 2: basketball writer, what an f head, he doesn't know what

927
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:17,879
Speaker 2: he's talking about.

928
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 3: Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

929
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,800
Speaker 2: So anyway, anytime a game has played in the eighties

930
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 2: or nineties, I went ahead and made sure that he

931
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 2: saw that, including games that he was calling.

932
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 3: And then finally he's like, bro, you don't get it,

933
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 3: and then he just blocked me. That's it.

934
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:34,439
Speaker 2: Listen, you know, think about me. I'm you know, I'm

935
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 2: very East Coast, and you know I don't start fights.

936
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 2: I just finish him. And so you try to make

937
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 2: me look bad. I'm just gonna let you know, like,

938
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 2: you know, hey, you might have been wrong, right, and

939
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 2: just listen, Jada. I don't know if you were watching

940
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 2: the Suns Mavericks game that you were calling, but I

941
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 2: don't know if he caught the final score, but final

942
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 2: score was ninety one eighty eight. Just wanted to make

943
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 2: sure you saw. And so after about five or six

944
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 2: of those and then what was actually funny was a

945
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 2: lot of guys that listen to my show and all

946
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 2: that stuff. Guys and girls would chime in and hey, JJ,

947
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 2: I think Torres has you on the and so finally

948
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,919
Speaker 2: I think he just got tired of Some would call

949
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 2: it social media harassment, but when he turned all of

950
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 2: NBA Twitter on me, you know, uh whatever, So.

951
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 3: All's fair anyway. So you don't think you'll be on

952
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 3: the Mind of the Game podcast with Lebron and JJ

953
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 3: Redick anytime since any Strategy any Yeah, any that's unfortunate.

954
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 2: But you know what's crazy because this came up again

955
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 2: is college basketball in the NBA, and I do want

956
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 2: to get to the NFL, but they are essentially two

957
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 2: different sports. Like stan Van Gundy was Staman Gundy. You

958
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 2: may have heard of him coach in the NBA. Yes,

959
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 2: he was calling the Yukon Illinois Elite eight game, and

960
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 2: he literally said during the broadcast, he said, I haven't

961
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,280
Speaker 2: been around college, but he's like being around college basketball

962
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 2: for the last month. It's amazing to me how much

963
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 2: more physical you can play in college. And so that

964
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 2: was the only point that I made from the beginning,

965
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 2: and it was like, oh my god, Wow, tell me

966
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 2: you don't know ball Torres.

967
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 3: And I'm like, well, I do know ball. They're just

968
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 3: kind of two different sports.

969
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 2: And then what was funny was this year, you know,

970
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 2: when stan Van Gundy said that, I put it out

971
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 2: on Twitter.

972
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 3: I was like, this is what JJ Reddick blocked me for.

973
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 2: And then I had other former NBA players like you

974
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 2: don't know what you're talking about, and it's like, but literally,

975
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 2: Stan Mtagunny just said it, like, well, what do you

976
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 2: picking on me for? I'm just I'm just all My

977
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 2: whole point was what stan Van Gundy just said. So anyway,

978
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 2: shout out JJ Reddick, who's on call of Game one.

979
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 2: But that that really happened. That was a thing for sure,

980
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 2: and I will show you when he called he he

981
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 2: didn't know my name, but he said some college basketball writer,

982
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 2: what an f head that he didn't want to give

983
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 2: me this. He didn't want to give me the credit.

984
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 2: But it was kind of wild. He's like, he has

985
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 2: Kevin Durant on his pot and he's talking about me.

986
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 2: So whatever, Now Katie knows about me too, so learn

987
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 2: the name Katie. All right, So let's talk NFL. I mean,

988
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 2: unless you want to go through more.

989
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 3: I don't think I have any good social media use

990
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 3: besides JJ Reddick, that's really the only one that's a

991
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 3: good one. I mean, JJ seems like he's one of

992
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 3: those guys that isn't know at all. So yeah, I

993
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 3: could see why that would be an issue. Yeah, yeah,

994
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 3: yes for anybody.

995
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, and then yeah, I mean so it

996
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 2: was a whole thing. But anyway, all right, so NFL

997
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 2: draft we just talked about. You know what was interesting,

998
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 2: Carrie is you mentioned, you know, your draft experience and

999
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 2: for people who missed it, in an hour one you

1000
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 2: got in pretty deep with the Patriots and you got

1001
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,879
Speaker 2: to know Belichick and Manginie and then man, GENI becomes

1002
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 2: your head coach. But I bring it up because this

1003
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 2: week there was a very interesting article that came out

1004
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 2: from ESPN investigative report and it essentially led into the

1005
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 2: draft of how is Bill Belichick not a coach in

1006
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 2: the NFL?

1007
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 3: Right now?

1008
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 6: Right?

1009
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 3: And there were a lot of different It was.

1010
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 2: A you know, probably five thousand word article, probably thirty

1011
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:43,800
Speaker 2: minutes to read it front to back, but it was

1012
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 2: very in depth.

1013
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 3: It goes through all.

1014
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 2: The different teams, the Panthers and the whoever everybody that

1015
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 2: had a job opening the Chargers, the Commanders, whatever. But

1016
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 2: it really kind of focused on the relationship between Belichick

1017
00:46:56,360 --> 00:47:00,280
Speaker 2: Arthur Blank, the owner of the Falcons, and then Alsoppert

1018
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 2: Kraft obviously, who's the owner of the Patriots. Everyone's kind

1019
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 2: of big takeaway was that the way the article framed

1020
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 2: it sort of made it sound like Robert Kraft talked

1021
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 2: Arthur Blank out of hiring Bill Belichick. But if you

1022
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 2: really read the article, it doesn't really read like that.

1023
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 2: It was more Arthur Blank called for feedback, right, and

1024
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 2: Kraft was like, honestly, he's hard to work with. You know,

1025
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 2: you have a very I know how you are. You

1026
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 2: have a communal type setting over there. You want to

1027
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 2: have a personal relationship with your head coach, that's going

1028
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 2: to be hard. It brings it all up to say,

1029
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 2: article is very interesting, but it leads to the fact

1030
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,760
Speaker 2: that a guy who has won six Super Bowls coached

1031
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 2: in nine even more if you include time as an

1032
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 2: assistant coach with the New York Giants, etc. I mean,

1033
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 2: he's the most accomplished football coach ever he wants to

1034
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 2: be coaching. He is not coaching and I just want

1035
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 2: your reaction, but especially knowing now that you know you

1036
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 2: got to know him a tiny little bit. I don't

1037
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 2: want to, you know, over sell what your relationship is

1038
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 2: with him, but just what are your thoughts in general

1039
00:47:58,400 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 2: about Belichick in his future?

1040
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, his future is one that's definitely in doubt. I

1041
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 3: was on the record early saying once he got let

1042
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 3: go or you know, essentially stepped away, or however you

1043
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 3: want to frame the departure, I knew he wasn't gonna

1044
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,800
Speaker 3: be a hot item on the market to be a

1045
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 3: head coach, and a lot of people were going, you know,

1046
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 3: gung ho crazy about oh Bill belichicks for the booth.

1047
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 3: All these teams can use them, and he's gonna you know,

1048
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,919
Speaker 3: he can even come to San Francisco and take over

1049
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 3: and get them over the hump. I'm like, what, No,

1050
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 3: it's it's not happening. Number one, the most accomperienced coach.

1051
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,879
Speaker 3: You can't take anything away from that. But we also

1052
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 3: can't take away from the controversy controversy that surrounded him

1053
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 3: as well. That's part of his story as well, and

1054
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 3: so let's not forget that. But the number one thing

1055
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 3: about why I knew he wouldn't be a hot commodity

1056
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 3: as a coach right now. Is the track record of

1057
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 3: who he is and how he established his programs. This

1058
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 3: younger generation isn't a out that this younger generation was

1059
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 3: about sharing and speaking and saying how they feel and

1060
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 3: being able to communicate on the level that in his

1061
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 3: heyday he didn't have that communication. Yeah, he had that

1062
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 3: communication between one and two players, but that even that,

1063
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 3: we find out that he had no relationship with Brady exactly.

1064
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 3: So having that you cannot that will not translate to

1065
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 3: this younger player. And if you don't translate to the

1066
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 3: younger player, to the young younger generation, they're not just

1067
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 3: going to buy into your way anymore. M Your way

1068
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 3: hasn't won the last couple of years. So what do

1069
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 3: you have to stand on, obviously, besides your past and

1070
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 3: who you who you were? Like, we live in a

1071
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 3: society now it's who are you? Right And that's who

1072
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 3: he is right now. He's not a good coach right

1073
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 3: now because of his relatability issues with players. So I

1074
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 3: knew it was gonna be hard for him. Let me,

1075
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:49,879
Speaker 3: I want to get back to bellichicking and secment.

1076
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 2: Let me ask you dumb question a guy like McVeigh

1077
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 2: where you know, living in LA you hear interviews with

1078
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 2: with players all the time of oh no, and I

1079
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 2: remember the first year you got high, thirty one, thirty

1080
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 2: two years old, and you wonder like, our player is

1081
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 2: gonna run over him? And it's like, and I remember

1082
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 2: hearing players, whether it was Aaron Donald, I can't remember

1083
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 2: who it was, Like, No, he's the alpha, he's our general.

1084
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 2: We take orders from him. But he does have the

1085
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 2: way of letting that those fifty three guys in that

1086
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 2: locker room know I'm in charge, I'm calling the shots,

1087
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 2: but also in a relatable New age way where guys

1088
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 2: believe in that vision. So how our coaches, whether it's

1089
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 2: a Sean McVay whoever, the guys that are successful the floor,

1090
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 2: et cetera able to find that balance of I'm receptive

1091
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 2: to what you need, you want, you whatever, but I'm

1092
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:38,839
Speaker 2: also not letting you run over me. And I'm still

1093
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 2: kind of running the show here.

1094
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 3: It's about being accountable, hold yourself accountable, hold your players accountable,

1095
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 3: don't let the level of player accountability change that accountability. Sure,

1096
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 3: and that's what Belichick did earlier, right like every he

1097
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 3: treated everybody the same sure, so to speak, and so

1098
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 3: you could see that if he's not gonna they're not

1099
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 3: paying Brady, if they're not giving Brady any least outside

1100
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 3: of this one particular game that we're playing, then from

1101
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 3: top to bottom it's that way. It comes to the

1102
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 3: point where if you're a new guy coming in, a

1103
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 3: young guy, a guy that's trying to establish yourself as

1104
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 3: the alpha, as the guy that this is my team,

1105
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 3: the first thing you have to do in that meeting

1106
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 3: is say that, but also make yourself human as well,

1107
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 3: because if we're seeing you as somebody that's untouchable, we

1108
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 3: can't talk to you. Okay, that's going to be the relationship,

1109
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 3: and I'm going to act accordingly. And so now the

1110
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:40,320
Speaker 3: level of communication doesn't happen because I'd rather talk to

1111
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 3: the assistant coach, and then it starts to become leaks.

1112
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 3: It's in the culture right because now it seems to

1113
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 3: be side conversations that are happening. And that's what I

1114
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 3: see from the younger players because a lot of times

1115
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 3: you have specific coaches assigned to players, obviously position coaches,

1116
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 3: but even outside of that, I had coaches that I

1117
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 3: would talk to that would not be my coach that

1118
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 3: I needed to go to for quote unquote therapy sessions. Right,

1119
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 3: And so in the Patriot way, they're all saying, no,

1120
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 3: we're this one person. The head coach is the head coach,

1121
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 3: and nothing can be said outside of that, right, where

1122
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 3: in a healthy situation, we can all have dialogue and

1123
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 3: I can talk to this guy that's not you, and

1124
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:27,439
Speaker 3: we can still have interesting no fishers in what we're

1125
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 3: doing as a system. So just I think it's that

1126
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 3: accountability on both ends.

1127
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 2: So you said, so you obviously didn't play for the Patriots,

1128
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 2: but you played for Mangenie, who's a disciple. Yeah, so

1129
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 2: would it be frowned upon, like if if you just

1130
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 2: needed to like talk to like your DB's coach, or

1131
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 2: maybe you had a relationship with the running backs coach,

1132
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 2: you know whatever? Was that like frowned upon not allowed?

1133
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 2: How did that work?

1134
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 3: Well? You know it always got related back to man Genie.

1135
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 3: Interesting for sure. So it's the same way. And I

1136
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 3: didn't have a problem with it anyway, I mean at

1137
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 3: that point, because when he first came in, it was

1138
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 3: that way, like it was we're all together, right, nobody's

1139
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 3: being treated differently and that worked. We had success, we

1140
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 3: could see how smart and brid he was. We got

1141
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 3: we didn't get to see as much of his personality

1142
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 3: that first year because he was very, very trying to

1143
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 3: be Belichick and you know, to the to the pure

1144
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 3: essence of who he was. But as you got to

1145
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 3: know him, as we start to have a little success,

1146
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 3: you could see him and you could see the jovial

1147
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:37,319
Speaker 3: nature that he I guess inherently had, yeah, inherently and

1148
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 3: not everybody, but I could see it. Like, I mean,

1149
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 3: I was a captain on the team and we had

1150
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 3: like personal like captain meetings and stuff like that, so

1151
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 3: I could see him. But as that went on, that

1152
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 3: starts to wear with thin if you're not winning. And

1153
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 3: then when it changes. And then when it really changed

1154
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 3: for him was when Brett Farb came in. Oh my goodness.

1155
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 3: He couldn't keep Brett Farb on that same level of

1156
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 3: accountability as everybody, right, and so now it's it's like, oh,

1157
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 3: you're not doing that now, so it's different. So just

1158
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 3: like that, it has to stay. Holy crap, Yeah you

1159
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 3: played with farv, I did play with Brad.

1160
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 7: Yeah, Well we gotta come back and talk about that now, No,

1161
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 7: and I want to relate it back to Belichick because

1162
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 7: you know, listen, I mean, greatest coach of all time

1163
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:20,919
Speaker 7: is out of a job, and we don't know if

1164
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:22,879
Speaker 7: if there's gonna be an opportunity for him.

1165
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 2: Tell you what, we'll come back. We'll continue this conversation

1166
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 2: because now I'm fascinated. I need the dirt on Far.

1167
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 2: Now I'm just kidding. I'm not not dirt on Far.

1168
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 2: But we'll talk about your experience kind of being sort

1169
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 2: of in that Patriot way with Eric Mangini. But then

1170
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:37,439
Speaker 2: also what it means for Bill Belichick's future. A lot

1171
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 2: to discuss Belichick out of a job, that big scandalous

1172
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 2: report comes out from ESPN just a few days ago.

1173
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 2: We'll discuss that next. Fox Sports Radio. Welcome back, everybody,

1174
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:53,879
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio Aaron Torres, Carry Rhodes broadcasting live from

1175
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 2: the tay Iraq dot Com studios again. NFL Draft Thursday night.

1176
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 2: Make sure you're checking out our Fox Sports Radio coverage

1177
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 2: as Jay Glazer, Steve Khan, LeVar Arrington and Rob Stone

1178
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:09,240
Speaker 2: gets you picked by pick analysis starting at eight pm Eastern.

1179
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 2: All right, so before the break, you know, we open

1180
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 2: the show first time that I've had the privilege of

1181
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 2: working with you, Carrie Rhodes, and we went through your

1182
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 2: esteemed colleagues, including Steve Hartman, who will be following us

1183
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 2: here in just a few minutes. And you know, you

1184
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 2: work with a guy, you know, you get to you

1185
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,399
Speaker 2: get to learn about him, you know, not just guygirl too,

1186
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 2: get to learn about him or her. And you know,

1187
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 2: I mean obviously followed your career, you know, about the

1188
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:35,360
Speaker 2: same age whatever, right, but I forgot you played with

1189
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 2: Brett Farv and we just talked about it during the break.

1190
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 3: With that that that that that jets here and what

1191
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 3: I think is interesting is and I want to hear

1192
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 3: all about it because I'm fascinating now. But you mentioned

1193
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 3: that that frankly, you know you you you said it

1194
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 3: on airs. I don't feel uncomfortable asking about it, but

1195
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 3: that you know Eric Mangini, who was hold everybody accountable,

1196
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 3: nobody's bigger than the system, blah blah blah.

1197
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, everything changed when Brett Farv got there. First of all,

1198
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 2: was that one of those years I can't remember, but

1199
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 2: there was two or three years there where he really

1200
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 2: waited into training camp to really kind of like I remember,

1201
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 2: like there was a couple of years even in Green Bay,

1202
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 2: where he wouldn't even show up until after training camp started.

1203
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 2: I mean, did was he there for all the off season,

1204
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 2: all the OTAs or what was that?

1205
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 3: I can't remember? No, no, no, The trade happened, right,

1206
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 3: I mean during training camp. So he came during training

1207
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 3: camp and so it was ver is that? Like it

1208
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 3: was crazy? I mean, I I my roommate. My my

1209
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 3: roommate during camp is Chad Pennington. Oh God, like that's

1210
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 3: like that's my guy. And so like I'm sitting there

1211
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 3: just like something's going on. I mean, there was buzz

1212
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:43,760
Speaker 3: and we heard you know, far still wanted to play,

1213
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 3: and you know, we make the trade. I mean, obviously

1214
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 3: we have success in those six with with Pennington and

1215
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 3: we make the playoffs. He stayed healthy his first year,

1216
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 3: fully healthy in a long time, and so you know,

1217
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,399
Speaker 3: we played well, but the next year we didn't play well,

1218
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 3: and so we knew that, you know, there was some possibility.

1219
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 3: But then you know, you hear Brett coming in and

1220
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 3: as you know, I was a Brett far fan kid, right,

1221
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 3: you know, and so you're like, man, Brett Farv may

1222
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,359
Speaker 3: come and then you start hitting the rumblings, and next

1223
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 3: thing you know he's there with his wranglers on and

1224
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,760
Speaker 3: he's there with us hanging out. He's like, oh, Brett

1225
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 3: Farb's here. So bittersweet for me losing Chad, which is

1226
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 3: a really good friend of mine still now and you

1227
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 3: know Brett comes in. You're excited. First, there's buzz and

1228
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 3: obviously we know he's won a super Bowl. You know

1229
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 3: he's good, the Hall of Famer, all those things, so excited.

1230
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 3: Then you know he kind of gets into the mix

1231
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 3: and he's doing everything he can to do that and

1232
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 3: and be one of the guys. But he's not one

1233
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 3: of the guys. It's hard for him to be one

1234
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 3: of the guys. He's different. He has things that he's

1235
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 3: accustomed to, he has ways he's accustomed to handling things,

1236
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 3: and so just little things like for us every game,

1237
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 3: we had to wear suits on the on the away games.

1238
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 3: Brett Favre doesn't wear suits. He's literally a wrangler guy.

1239
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 3: Like he's wearing jeans and T shirts and looking like,

1240
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 3: hold up, all right, are we all doing this or

1241
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 3: you're gonna start making rules acquiesce to this new guy

1242
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 3: coming in now. And so those things start to change,

1243
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 3: so cracks and then it's like he didn't have a

1244
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 3: locker with us in the locker room. He had his

1245
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 3: own locker outside of us with the coaches.

1246
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 1: Wow.

1247
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's like and so like when things like

1248
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 3: that start happening, it's gonna be tough for you to

1249
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 3: keep your locker room, especially if you're not winning. And

1250
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 3: so it changed with that. But I mean, I mean,

1251
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 3: I love Mangenie and we've talked about some of this

1252
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 3: stuff after, but during that time it was a little

1253
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 3: messy for us.

1254
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 2: No, that makes perfect sense, is and you know, like

1255
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 2: you said, so for people who missed the front end

1256
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 2: of the conversation, this all started with Belichick and and

1257
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 2: you know, Carrie played for a disciple and Eric Mangini.

1258
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 2: But that's one thing, by the way, I'll give Belichick

1259
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 2: credit for is that he did hold Tom Brady all

1260
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 2: that time to the same standard as the fifty third guy.

1261
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 2: That's probably what allowed tom Brady accepting it. But that's

1262
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 2: probably what all also allowed them to have all that

1263
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 2: success for all those years.

1264
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 3: Right on, per it cannot be any different. Obviously, there

1265
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 3: is going to be difference in you know, how a

1266
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 3: star player is going to be received, but not you

1267
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 3: can't treat them differently. Yep, that's a it's a it's

1268
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 3: a fine line on what that is. And so you know,

1269
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 3: Mangini being young, he was young at the time. He's

1270
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 3: thirty four thirty five.

1271
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 2: People forget how he was the first Belichick assistant that

1272
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 2: really popped right if I yeah, maybe maybe uh Romeo Crenell,

1273
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 2: I can't remember, but I think Mangini was like.

1274
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 3: One of these Margenie was, Yeah, like it was. It

1275
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 3: was actually tension in the first time they we played

1276
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 3: the patricks, right, and so even no handshake that like

1277
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 3: the quick handshake, no look type. Yeah, like it was

1278
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 3: a lot of that stuff. So it was fun. It

1279
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 3: was fun during the time, but yeah, when Brett came in,

1280
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 3: it just it showed the cracks. It was the first

1281
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 3: time where it was like, oh, it's not the same.

1282
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 3: And so that's that's where you start to have those

1283
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 3: leaks and things start to go south. And you said

1284
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 3: you were a team captain, right, and you said you

1285
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 3: met as a team capt and with Mangini separately. Is

1286
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 3: this something that you can bring up to the head

1287
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 3: coach or is it is it totally off bounds? He bounds.

1288
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Speaker 3: I think you, I think you should be able to

1289
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Speaker 3: I don't know if I did. Sure, I can't, can't

1290
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Speaker 3: say that, but yeah, I mean the team meet I mean,

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Speaker 3: the captain meetings would be me Brett, I think Sean, Oh,

1292
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Speaker 3: well Brett's I mean Fret's aria part right, Yeah, yeah,

1293
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 3: so I mean but individually, I mean you probably probably

1294
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Speaker 3: wouldn't have said anything, but during the captain meetings yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean he's a captain too, so sure, yeah Locker, Wow,

1296
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 3: oh the truth comes out? Yeah yeah, yeah, no, it was.

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Speaker 3: It was. It was interesting, and I think you don't

1298
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 3: really I mean, you understand that there are levels to

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01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 3: certain things, but when you lose, it's just a bigger deal. Now,

1300
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 3: if we were winning, maybe it wouldn't have been this

1301
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 3: that way, right, But yeah, the success wasn't equating to

1302
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 3: to what the treatment was at the time. This all

1303
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 3: started with a Bill Belichick conversation. I'll tell you what,

1304
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 3: we'll toss it over the news desk. Well, we'll hear

1305
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 3: from Nick Wirt and then we'll come back and actually

1306
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 3: get back to Belichick.

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Speaker 2: But I'd rather talk, oh, five jets or what whatever

1308
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 2: year it was.

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Speaker 3: Wait, wait, oh.

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Speaker 2: Wait, Jets because this is fascinating. We'll discuss Belichick next.

1311
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Speaker 2: Kevin Wire, what's up man?

1312
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Speaker 3: How you doing?

1313
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Speaker 8: What's going on right now? It's one of the best

1314
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 8: times of year in sports. I think October is my

1315
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 8: personal favorite, but the mid March to the end of

1316
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 8: April's got.

1317
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 3: To be close to be on our Saturday really good.

1318
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 3: It's like you go from March Madness final games to Masters,

1319
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 3: to NBA playoffs to NFL Draft by the way, major

1320
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 3: League Baseball opening days and there at some points pretty good.

1321
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 8: Runs and the Stanley Cup playoffs as well. We don't

1322
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 8: want to forget that. We do have a game going

1323
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 8: on right now in the NHL. Lightning and Panthers. That's

1324
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 8: an all Florida matchup, and they are tied at one

1325
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 8: goal apiece as they have reached the end of the

1326
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 8: first period. Sam Reinhart, the goal scorer for Florida, then

1327
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 8: Brandon Hagel answering about ten minutes later for the Lightning.

1328
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 8: Second game of the day coming up in about an

1329
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 8: hour and a half Capitals in Rangers at Madison Square Garden,

1330
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:00,959
Speaker 8: and later this afternoon Avalanche and Jets. We'll square off

1331
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 8: up in Winnipeg. In the NBA, We've got the first

1332
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 8: game of the day, Game one of the Eastern Conference

1333
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 8: first Round, Celtics and Heat, and it's Boston in front

1334
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 8: twenty three to fourteen, and it was kind of expected

1335
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 8: to be this way with no Jimmy Butler playing. He's

1336
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 8: expected to be out multiple weeks with his MCL injury

1337
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 8: and is expected to be a tough road for the

1338
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 8: Miami Heat in this series. And the Celtics already out

1339
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 8: in front by nine points, and that's because they've shot

1340
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 8: the ball incredibly well, hitting five of their first ten

1341
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:31,440
Speaker 8: to three point shots. They're nine to eighteen shooting the

1342
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 8: basketball overall in this game. Bammi Tobayu does have six points,

1343
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 8: the leading scorer for Miami, and it's Christops Porzingi's the

1344
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 8: leading scorer for Boston. He's got seven points on three

1345
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 8: to four shooting so far in this game. Coming up

1346
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 8: at three thirty Eastern time, Mavericks and Clippers out in

1347
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 8: Los Angeles, game one of that series and Kawhi Leonard

1348
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 8: officially listed as questionable, but Adrian war Janowski yesterday saying

1349
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:00,640
Speaker 8: that there's increasing doubt that he'll play, and that's because

1350
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 8: he didn't even face off against contact and practice yesterday,

1351
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 8: So chances are we're not gonna see Kawhi Leonard again

1352
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 8: in the playoffs for the Clippers at least four today.

1353
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 8: Coming up at seven o'clock, Pacers and Bucks up in Milwaukee.

1354
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 8: Pelicans and Thunder will be the nightcap nine thirty out

1355
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 8: in Oklahoma City. Major League Baseball, a couple of games

1356
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 8: just about to get started in the next few minutes.

1357
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 8: Red Socks and Pirates up in Pittsburgh, White Sox Philly

1358
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 8: is over in Philadelphia. The Astros will face the Nationals

1359
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 8: in Washington. Raisin Yankees and the Bronx Angels will face

1360
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 8: the Reds in Cincinnati, and the Athletics and Guardians over

1361
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 8: in Cleveland.

1362
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Speaker 3: Back to you guys, Yeah, thank you very much, Kevin Wired,

1363
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Speaker 3: Thanks keV, appreciate you. Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports.

1364
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Speaker 2: Sunday Erators Carry Roads taking you the top of the hour.

1365
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 2: Steve Hartman and Rich Orenberger will follow us. Uh okay,

1366
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 2: So Belichick, let's come full circle on this really quick.

1367
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 2: So the part of the article was about this coaching. Second, well,

1368
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 2: part of the article was next coaching cycle, which is,

1369
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 2: you know, it could be explosive if the Cowboys actually

1370
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:08,480
Speaker 2: move on from Mike McCarthy, which you know Jerry Jones

1371
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 2: has been reticent to make major moves Philadelphia. They said

1372
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 2: that Belichick has had a long standing relationship with Howie Roseman. Yeah,

1373
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 2: Kyi Roseman said, I just called to check in out

1374
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 2: of him. There was never a conversation about him coaching

1375
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 2: our team. So do you think this is it for Belichick?

1376
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 2: And by the way, let me ask you a separate question.

1377
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 2: A little hard to answer, but there were some insinuations

1378
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 2: in the article about the idea that Belichick only wants

1379
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 2: to keep coaching to break down Shula's record. I certainly

1380
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 2: think that's a motivating factor. But to me, I get

1381
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 2: the sense that Belichick, as long as he's healthy and

1382
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 2: as long as he's wanted, wants to coach. So do

1383
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 2: you think and we don't know who's going to open

1384
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:52,280
Speaker 2: up next year, but do you think there's a spot

1385
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 2: for him somewhere in these thirty two teams? Or has

1386
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 2: his way of doing things just completely disappeared?

1387
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 3: That's very hard, hard question. Personally, I think his time

1388
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 3: is up. I really do sure, I really do. I think,

1389
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 3: like I said, the league has moved on. You have

1390
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 3: a smarter, more emostly aware player this this day and age. Sure,

1391
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 3: it's it's more welcome back in the day, even my

1392
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:25,240
Speaker 3: time planning, right, Like the head coach's word was gold

1393
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 3: and that's all you really cared about, even outside of yourself, right,

1394
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 3: and to be into any type of team situation, there

1395
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 3: has to be a level of that. But I just

1396
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 3: don't see him being able to change his ways at

1397
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:40,919
Speaker 3: that point. You can't teach an old dog new tricks.

1398
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 3: They always say it, and it's it's really hard. And

1399
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 3: so for him, I'm sure there is a couple of

1400
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 3: situations that are that could happen. I don't see it yet,

1401
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 3: so I would I would probably be surprised that wherever

1402
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 3: he ends up going, if he gets another job. That's

1403
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 3: that's kind of my stance on it. Yeah, no, it's

1404
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 3: it's fascinating. And I think, you know, the thing that

1405
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:03,600
Speaker 3: the article really pointed out really well is that you

1406
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 3: know you he said, he told Arthur blank, he doesn't

1407
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 3: care about player personnel.

1408
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 2: He's willing to work with a GM whatever. But I

1409
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 2: do think the age is working against him. Seventy one

1410
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:15,920
Speaker 2: years old. I think they said he'd be seventy three

1411
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 2: by the start of the twenty twenty five NFL season.

1412
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 2: He's obviously not coaching this year, but that's basically it

1413
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:25,640
Speaker 2: is that you have to overhaul everything that you do

1414
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 2: for what are we talking about a two year run

1415
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 2: a three year run?

1416
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 3: It's interesting.

1417
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 2: I will say this, I do think that him being

1418
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 2: on TV this year is going to help him. It

1419
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 2: sounds weird, but he's an incredibly bright guy. I think

1420
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 2: ESPN is going to put him in situations where he

1421
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:44,680
Speaker 2: sounds smart. You know, listen, I remember I don't know

1422
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 2: if you saw this or not, but he was on

1423
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:48,320
Speaker 2: college game Day for the Army Navy game, and like

1424
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 2: Herbie and I thought Pat McAfee did a very good

1425
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:53,919
Speaker 2: job of setting him up to look good and look

1426
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 2: smart and ask not that he needs their help looking smart,

1427
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 2: but ask questions that would engage him.

1428
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 3: And so I do think that will play a role.

1429
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 2: But you know, now that I think about it, like,

1430
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 2: if we're talking about the fall of twenty twenty five, he'll.

1431
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 3: Be seventy three years old. I mean, that's that's a

1432
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 3: tough spot to hire a head coach. Yeah, although he's

1433
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 3: a baby compared to Jerry Jones, so maybe maybe that'll

1434
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,600
Speaker 3: player with Jared Jones ain't coaching either. Jerry Jones is

1435
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 3: masquerading around. Well that's what. But that's what I mean.

1436
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 3: It's like Jerry Jones is eighty one, he'll be eighty three.

1437
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:26,280
Speaker 2: So maybe he's like, oh, this this young whippers Stafford Belichick, let's.

1438
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:28,000
Speaker 3: Bring him into to write this ship. I mean, yeah,

1439
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 3: I mean the Dallas situation obviously, it looks looks appealing,

1440
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:36,360
Speaker 3: especially if McCarthy can't muster out something, muster up something

1441
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 3: else here and and finally get over over the hump. Yes, obviously,

1442
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:44,000
Speaker 3: but again I just don't I don't see it, and

1443
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:46,280
Speaker 3: I wouldn't see him. I mean, if he loves coaching

1444
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:50,160
Speaker 3: so much, I actually throughout the ideal of him going

1445
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:52,680
Speaker 3: to San Francisco and being the defensive coordinator. Yeah, do

1446
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:55,920
Speaker 3: you think? I don't know? I've heard. I heard that.

1447
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 3: There was a story that said something about that that

1448
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 3: came out after I said it too. But if he

1449
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:03,760
Speaker 3: really loved football, he would be doing that right now

1450
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 3: if he wanted the coach. So I think the caveat

1451
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 3: of wanting to break that record is a real thing

1452
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:09,439
Speaker 3: as well.

1453
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a real thing. I just I

1454
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 2: don't think that's the thing that motivates him. Yeah, and

1455
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:16,679
Speaker 2: you know, the insinuation was, I think it's fifteen wins

1456
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 2: to pass shula yea, and after that it's like, oh,

1457
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:20,559
Speaker 2: you know whatever. It's like, well, first of all, that's

1458
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 2: still two seasons. Yeah, I don't know that I buy it.

1459
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 2: I just I don't know. I just find it to

1460
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:29,479
Speaker 2: be a fascinating story. And you know, we'll see what

1461
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:32,000
Speaker 2: happens next with Belichick. Anything else from the NFL perspective

1462
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:33,759
Speaker 2: that's caught your eye kind of leading up to the draft,

1463
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:35,599
Speaker 2: all this stuff. I mean, it's kind of a quiet time.

1464
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:37,599
Speaker 3: But yeah, no, no, not really. I think the one

1465
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 3: thing that I'm excited to see obviously my my hometown

1466
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:43,879
Speaker 3: Jets and what they're going to do with that ten position.

1467
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:46,439
Speaker 2: What do you so, how do you feel you live

1468
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 2: through the Brett Favre experience. Aaron Rodgers is in total

1469
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 2: apples to apples. It's year two for him, but he's

1470
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:53,599
Speaker 2: coming off major injury all that. What are your thoughts

1471
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 2: on the Jets.

1472
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:56,760
Speaker 3: I just hope he stays healthy. I want to see

1473
01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:59,519
Speaker 3: what it can be. Sure we saw what it wasn't

1474
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:02,120
Speaker 3: without so let's give it. Let's give it a chance.

1475
01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 3: You know, you know Willing willing that he stays healthy

1476
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 3: and we get to see the best possible outcome of

1477
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 3: that situation. And we were talking before the show.

1478
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 2: You think it's better for the Jets to go skill

1479
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:18,439
Speaker 2: position guy as opposed to offensive linemen.

1480
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 3: I do. I think they. I think they Obviously they

1481
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:25,800
Speaker 3: took some swings in the free agency, got some some

1482
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:28,080
Speaker 3: some O line depths, some O line starters, so they

1483
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:30,439
Speaker 3: address that. I mean, they do need to get younger there.

1484
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:33,000
Speaker 3: They need to get another pick there as well. But

1485
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:38,680
Speaker 3: if you can take brock Bauers, who's essentially you're you're

1486
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:41,800
Speaker 3: addressing both of those things. Skill and you can be

1487
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:43,840
Speaker 3: an extra blocker. Yeah. So if they can get him

1488
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:46,400
Speaker 3: at that position, if they don't move, I think it's

1489
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:48,960
Speaker 3: I think it's a great pick. I mean, we've seen

1490
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:51,080
Speaker 3: what the tight end position has done in the league. Yeah,

1491
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:53,200
Speaker 3: and not I think he fits that bill as well.

1492
01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 2: All say is I think what you said about Aaron

1493
01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:58,719
Speaker 2: Rodgers is how I feel is that.

1494
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:00,920
Speaker 3: Is it gonna work? Because it's not gonna work. I

1495
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:01,320
Speaker 3: don't know.

1496
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:03,720
Speaker 2: I just want to put I want all these guys

1497
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:05,040
Speaker 2: to be put in the best position. I'll give you

1498
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 2: an example, Like I'm a college guy love Jim Harbaugh

1499
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:11,559
Speaker 2: in a Michigan, but when it was clear he wanted

1500
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:12,800
Speaker 2: to go to the NFL, I was like, I hope

1501
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:16,000
Speaker 2: he ends up with the Chargers because I want to know,

1502
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:20,599
Speaker 2: is Justin Herbert on that mahomes Allen whatever level. I

1503
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:23,640
Speaker 2: don't know, but let's give him every resource imaginable to

1504
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:25,040
Speaker 2: see if he gets there. Then if he doesn't get

1505
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:27,120
Speaker 2: her to get there, it's on Justin Hurban. But if

1506
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:30,680
Speaker 2: you go hire another you know, defensive coordinator on the

1507
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:32,880
Speaker 2: cheap or an offense, you know, a coordinator that's never

1508
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:34,560
Speaker 2: coached on the cheap, No, And I do give the

1509
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:38,320
Speaker 2: Chargers credit for making the big move, making the big splash,

1510
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:40,280
Speaker 2: spending the money that it took to get Jim Harbaugh.

1511
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:42,160
Speaker 3: And so it's it's kind of the same with Aaron

1512
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:44,679
Speaker 3: Rodgers as well. Is whether it's it's through the draft,

1513
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:49,559
Speaker 3: through free agency, through coaching, whatever, push him the best

1514
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:52,960
Speaker 3: and see what happens. I'm not as like I get

1515
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:55,599
Speaker 3: where people are just out on it. I don't know

1516
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 3: that I'm there, but I think it's you know, forty

1517
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:02,400
Speaker 3: year old quarterback Akilles injury. I think it's gonna be tough. Yeah,

1518
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:04,880
Speaker 3: I just want everybody to be full of strength. Sure,

1519
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:08,120
Speaker 3: I just want to see I am a great product.

1520
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:12,560
Speaker 3: So I mean, Aaron Rodgers, the excitement coming into the

1521
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 3: year for the Jets. I know, I've never been that high. Nope, never,

1522
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 3: and so you get to see that and now I

1523
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 3: think that it happened so in such a disastrous way

1524
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 3: last year. Just I want to see it as a

1525
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:29,720
Speaker 3: fan perspective, just see what it looks like. And so

1526
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:31,639
Speaker 3: that's where I am with it. Oh, we'll see.

1527
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:33,800
Speaker 2: We'll see what do the Jets have the tenth pick

1528
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 2: this this year, so see if they trade up.

1529
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:37,400
Speaker 3: We'll see if somebody falls to them.

1530
01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 2: NFL Draft again on Thursday, live coverage here on Fox

1531
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:44,719
Speaker 2: Sports Radio at eight pm Eastern. Come back, we'll wrap

1532
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 2: the show. We got a lot to talk about. Four

1533
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 2: NBA games today, NFL Draft on Thursday. That's all next

1534
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:51,880
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio.

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01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:53,680
Speaker 3: Welcome back, everybody.

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01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:58,760
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio, Aaron Torres, Carrie Rhodes taking you to

1537
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:01,240
Speaker 2: the top of the hour. What we got Okay, you

1538
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:04,840
Speaker 2: guys just gotta okay, you got two headphones there. I

1539
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 2: didn't know if it was like, uh, you had one

1540
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:10,960
Speaker 2: earphone working in one and one earphone working in the other.

1541
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:16,000
Speaker 3: Whatever. But they're taking up to what what time would

1542
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:16,240
Speaker 3: that be?

1543
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 2: Two pm? Eastern time? When Rich Ornberger and Steve Hartman

1544
01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:23,600
Speaker 2: will follow us. Uh, Steven rich coming up here in

1545
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:26,280
Speaker 2: just a minute. All right, So we got we got

1546
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:27,599
Speaker 2: four NBA games today.

1547
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 3: Uh.

1548
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 2: First one is underway, Celtics Heat game one. Celtics up

1549
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:38,280
Speaker 2: thirty seven, five to go. Three more games starting coming

1550
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:41,720
Speaker 2: up with the MAVs and Clippers. That's coming up next,

1551
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:45,760
Speaker 2: followed by Indiana Milwaukee, New Orleans. Okay, ce nightcap? What

1552
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:49,200
Speaker 2: game are you most excited about today?

1553
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:53,800
Speaker 3: The next one the MAVs versus the Clippers. Aaron, you don't.

1554
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:56,639
Speaker 3: You don't know this yet, but I'm a diehard mav fan.

1555
01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:57,439
Speaker 3: Real quick.

1556
01:12:57,479 --> 01:13:00,200
Speaker 2: You said, are you tight with Porzingis or you just

1557
01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:01,880
Speaker 2: followed his career? You said earlier?

1558
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:04,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, No, No, I know him. We're not like tight,

1559
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:07,800
Speaker 3: but I know him and we're friends, and I follow him.

1560
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 3: I want him to have success. I know he doesn't

1561
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 3: play for Dallas, he doesn't play with Dallas anymore, but

1562
01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:14,559
Speaker 3: I was. I always stayed on the train and I

1563
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:17,760
Speaker 3: knew he would have a bounce back type, you know,

1564
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:20,720
Speaker 3: career type of situation happened in Washington. He did that,

1565
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:22,880
Speaker 3: and now he's playing really well with Boston. So yes,

1566
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:26,920
Speaker 3: so I'm excited to see that. But Dallas Clippers, I

1567
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 3: think is probably going to be the best first round

1568
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:32,559
Speaker 3: series in in the in the playoffs, and so I'm

1569
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:34,720
Speaker 3: excited to see that one. So you were saying you're

1570
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 3: a Dallas fan or I kind of come a Dallas fane.

1571
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:42,640
Speaker 3: Oh really? How did that come about? Five? My manager

1572
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:46,800
Speaker 3: managed the Jet Jason Terry, of course, and so I

1573
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:49,439
Speaker 3: became friendly with them and through that situation and started

1574
01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:51,040
Speaker 3: hanging around the team a little bit, met Dirk and

1575
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:54,280
Speaker 3: the guys, Cuban and the guys uh as a young

1576
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 3: as a young fellow, sure and so been in trench

1577
01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 3: with them since then. Wow, the Jet Jason Terry were

1578
01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:01,840
Speaker 3: Is he coaching? I don't know what he was doing.

1579
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:03,680
Speaker 3: He was doing the G League stuff for a little bit.

1580
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:07,400
Speaker 3: Is at Arizona for well? Yeah, I don't know where

1581
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:09,559
Speaker 3: he is now, but yeah, kind of feels like this

1582
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:11,599
Speaker 3: is Luca's time. Like we talked a little bit about

1583
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 3: Jason Tatum earlier in the show where you know last year,

1584
01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:17,519
Speaker 3: first of all, a couple of years ago, you trade

1585
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:20,320
Speaker 3: for Kyrie whatever. Last year, I thought it was an

1586
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:24,200
Speaker 3: embarrassing display final game of the regular season. You can

1587
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 3: get into the play in you rest your starters for

1588
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:29,120
Speaker 3: a draft pick that you may or may not get,

1589
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:32,519
Speaker 3: depending on how the lottery goes. But you also got

1590
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:33,800
Speaker 3: to give credit where it's due, or I have to

1591
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:36,200
Speaker 3: give credit where it's due. Where the Mavericks obviously played

1592
01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:39,879
Speaker 3: very well down the stretch, and you know, Luca obviously

1593
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:42,040
Speaker 3: played at an MVP level. So so that I think.

1594
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 2: That's the one that I'm most excited about as well. Obviously,

1595
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:49,160
Speaker 2: you know the status of Kawhi Leonards. Kevin Wyer just

1596
01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:51,960
Speaker 2: told us sounds probably like he's not going to be there,

1597
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:53,960
Speaker 2: but it's a little bit disappointing. But yeah, what do

1598
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:56,040
Speaker 2: you think it's been about Kyrie this year? I mean,

1599
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:59,120
Speaker 2: it's just I give him credit because I've been critical

1600
01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:01,600
Speaker 2: of him. But it's been quiet, it's been business like.

1601
01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:03,639
Speaker 2: There hasn't been a lot of you know, noise off

1602
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:04,000
Speaker 2: the court.

1603
01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:08,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, Kyrie is my guy too, I'm I I love him,

1604
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:11,360
Speaker 3: I love his game. Obviously he's had some issues in

1605
01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:14,880
Speaker 3: the media. But it's more the media, you know. They

1606
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:17,240
Speaker 3: tried to paint him as a bad teammate, as a

1607
01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 3: as a bad guy in general, which he was not.

1608
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:24,639
Speaker 3: And so to see him be able to really fully

1609
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:28,960
Speaker 3: be entrenched into the into the Maverick way and really

1610
01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:32,240
Speaker 3: just get back to what he does best and play basketball,

1611
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:36,080
Speaker 3: it's been refreshing. He's been a big catalyst for those

1612
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:38,280
Speaker 3: guys and a big and a great leader for those guys,

1613
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 3: which is not been what we've talked about with Kyrie

1614
01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:42,200
Speaker 3: in the last few years.

1615
01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:43,720
Speaker 2: No, I give him a ton of credit, and I

1616
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 2: have been a little critical. By the way, David chimes

1617
01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:48,880
Speaker 2: In says, really enjoyed the show. Guys, great duo today.

1618
01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:51,559
Speaker 3: So there we go. There you go, we got our

1619
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 3: fan cup.

1620
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 2: Uh We're not okay, see New Orleans because that one.

1621
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:57,600
Speaker 2: I am a little intrigued. Look, I just think the

1622
01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:00,320
Speaker 2: Okac thing. You know, everybody likes the new, the young,

1623
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:03,360
Speaker 2: the fresh, and I do think there's something to you know,

1624
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:07,200
Speaker 2: Chet's first playoff series obviously shake Gil just Alexander. I

1625
01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:08,760
Speaker 2: think he might have been in the playoffs that first

1626
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:11,720
Speaker 2: year with Clear. I can't remember Bud Clippers. Yeah, but

1627
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:13,600
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously this is going to be kind of

1628
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:16,519
Speaker 2: his national coming out stage. I'm excited for that one

1629
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:19,240
Speaker 2: as well, just to see, you know, and it's cliche,

1630
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:22,960
Speaker 2: but but a lot of really young guys first moment

1631
01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:25,559
Speaker 2: the Pelicans have kind of they've been there. They obviously

1632
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:27,680
Speaker 2: gave the Suns fits a few years ago, so a

1633
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:29,680
Speaker 2: lot of those guys on the Pelicans have been here

1634
01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:32,800
Speaker 2: before on this stage, and I'm just intrigued.

1635
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:34,519
Speaker 3: To see how Oklahoma City handles every yeh Okay See.

1636
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:37,719
Speaker 3: Reminds me of the old the old kay Okay See team,

1637
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:41,400
Speaker 3: right where you had the young guns KD. Russell. Obviously

1638
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:44,040
Speaker 3: I'm getting ahead of myself with this new batch as

1639
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:46,960
Speaker 3: far as their credentials go, but I mean it's just

1640
01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:49,479
Speaker 3: it's reminiscent of that. You know, you had K D.

1641
01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 3: Harden and Westbrook and Ibaka as well, and those guys,

1642
01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:56,160
Speaker 3: you know, getting into the playoffs and you just have

1643
01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 3: to wait and see. We don't know how they're going

1644
01:16:57,880 --> 01:16:59,640
Speaker 3: to perform. And I think that's where we are with

1645
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:02,840
Speaker 3: this old ok Sam. You have SGA, you have Chet,

1646
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:05,599
Speaker 3: but you also have Jaylen Willgams, who we haven't talked about,

1647
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:07,800
Speaker 3: who's really good as well, So I'm excited to see

1648
01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 3: these guys get out there as well.

1649
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:11,639
Speaker 2: By the way, we do have late breaking news per

1650
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:15,320
Speaker 2: our NBA Insider, Fox Sports Radio Mark Medena. Clippers coach

1651
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:17,719
Speaker 2: ty lw says Kawhi Leonard will be out.

1652
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:20,080
Speaker 3: For Game one. Yeah, he was out versus the MAVs today,

1653
01:17:20,120 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 3: So that is official. MAVs.

1654
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:26,040
Speaker 2: Clippers are coming up at twelve or three thirty Eastern time.

1655
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:30,080
Speaker 2: Excuse me, twelve thirty Pacific, the Indiana Pacers and the

1656
01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:34,599
Speaker 2: Milwaukee Bucks, followed by Oka c and the and the

1657
01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:37,599
Speaker 2: Thunder or the New Orleans Pelicans that I said really quick,

1658
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:41,479
Speaker 2: any quick thoughts on Indiana Milwaukee out obviously outside of

1659
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:43,600
Speaker 2: the status of Giannis.

1660
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:45,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the Pacers is gonna win that series.

1661
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:47,519
Speaker 3: A lot of people are saying that. And I say

1662
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:50,679
Speaker 3: that because Rick Carlisle sure a lot of people don't

1663
01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:54,040
Speaker 3: talk about him in playoff situations as a playoff coach.

1664
01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:57,560
Speaker 3: He's gonna have devise a game plan that's going to

1665
01:17:57,600 --> 01:17:58,960
Speaker 3: give them the best chance to win, and they can

1666
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 3: score a lot of points. And they gave him fits

1667
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:03,560
Speaker 3: doing the regular season as well. Yeah, and Milwaukee.

1668
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:06,160
Speaker 2: It's just you know, I'm not as anti Doc as

1669
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:09,639
Speaker 2: everybody else, but it has been weird. And even how

1670
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:12,080
Speaker 2: he got the job was, oh he's a consultant. Oh no,

1671
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:14,040
Speaker 2: he's got the job now, and it's like that was

1672
01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:16,920
Speaker 2: kind of weird. And then you know, they struggled early,

1673
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:18,960
Speaker 2: then they got kind of hot, then they struggled down

1674
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:22,960
Speaker 2: the stretch, and then Giannis is hurt. This isn't like

1675
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:25,920
Speaker 2: a unique take, but not having Drew Holliday I think

1676
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:28,880
Speaker 2: has completely changed the entire complexion of that team and

1677
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:30,200
Speaker 2: just a.

1678
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:31,759
Speaker 3: Weird, weird, weird series overall.

1679
01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:35,240
Speaker 2: So really excited for the four games today, Really excited

1680
01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:37,559
Speaker 2: for the NFL Draft. All right, A couple quick hitters

1681
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:39,400
Speaker 2: before we go. Who ends up as the number two

1682
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:41,080
Speaker 2: pick in the NFL Draft Thursday?

1683
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 3: The number two, number two, I mean he's a number

1684
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:45,720
Speaker 3: two and number three, number two, I mean number two.

1685
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:51,040
Speaker 3: It's gonna be. It's gonna be Jaden Daniels, I think so. Yeah,

1686
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:54,479
Speaker 3: all the talks, just talk. You think Drake Mago's number three,

1687
01:18:56,600 --> 01:19:00,439
Speaker 3: New England Patriots. You're on the club, Mayo your first

1688
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:04,720
Speaker 3: draft go Yeah, No, I don't know, because.

1689
01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:07,840
Speaker 2: It's you can take Belichick out of the Patriots but

1690
01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:10,439
Speaker 2: it's still the Patriots, it's still the same culture, the

1691
01:19:10,479 --> 01:19:12,920
Speaker 2: same whatever. There's just no Bill Belichick, so it'll be curious.

1692
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:15,200
Speaker 2: But tell you what, Carry Rhodes. We gotta go, dude, man,

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