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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I'm Tutor Dixon,

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Speaker 2: and I'm so glad you're here with me for this episode.

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Speaker 1: You probably, though, will ask.

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Speaker 2: Why would she have someone on her podcast who has

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Speaker 2: compared her to an ogre? Because I have been compared

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Speaker 2: to Fiona on Shrek by my guest today, and I've

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Speaker 2: also had a little bit of a struggle in my campaign.

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Speaker 2: Then I connect back to Charlie Leduff, but he is

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Speaker 2: somewhat of a genius because he's a Pulitzer Prize winning

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Speaker 2: author and the host of the NOBS News Hour. And

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Speaker 2: so I welcome Charlie Leduff to talk about what's going

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Speaker 2: on in Michigan because he is probably also the guy

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Speaker 2: that knows the most about corruption in the state of Michigan,

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Speaker 2: and some have said that the state of Michigan is

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Speaker 2: the most corrupt state in the nation. So Charlie, welcome

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Speaker 2: to the podcast.

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Speaker 3: I mean Tutor, I mean Fiona, I mean Tutor.

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Speaker 2: That was not even the worst thing that you did

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Speaker 2: to me dr in campaign, but that so talk about Whitmer, because.

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Speaker 1: Whitmer had this.

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Speaker 2: Massive lockdown, right, she came out and told us every

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Speaker 2: day that we couldn't go anywhere, but she specifically said

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Speaker 2: we couldn't go to Florida. So this is during COVID

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Speaker 2: we couldn't go to Florida. She I mean, she went

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Speaker 2: went to Florida and she took a private jet. So

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Speaker 2: walk us through this story, because you just recently wrote

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Speaker 2: about this, and it sounds like they weren't even too

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Speaker 2: happy about it that you just recently wrote about it.

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Speaker 4: Well, we all kuldn't of know it. It's during the lockdowns.

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Speaker 4: What was that March of twenty one. She's telling everybody,

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Speaker 4: you know, we get the latest crazy variant from the

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Speaker 4: UK with the latest scare tactic, don't go to Florida.

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Speaker 3: Well, she went to Florida.

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Speaker 4: And the only way to say it is her office

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Speaker 4: shook down prominent businessmen for the use of their private jet,

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Speaker 4: so she secretly went down there. She didn't tell anybody

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Speaker 4: when she got caught. She's pretending like her dad's on

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Speaker 4: death's door. I think he's skipping around the beach today

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Speaker 4: as we speak. But once she got caught, once I

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Speaker 4: caught her, she tried to say that her political charity

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Speaker 4: is going to pay for it. Well, private businessmen cannot

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Speaker 4: accept money for their airplane because they're not licensed with

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Speaker 3: So being caught.

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Speaker 4: There, they did the shuck and jive, and by the

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Speaker 4: end of it they said, Okay, that's right, She's going

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Speaker 4: for the plant. Just one problem, the businessmen still cannot

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Speaker 4: there I don't know why the media like was so gullible,

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Speaker 4: like they can't accept money. So when I was writing

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Speaker 4: whatever happened to Whitmer. Did those guys cash the check

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Speaker 4: or did we give both? Was that just a pr stunt?

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Speaker 4: Because in the end, this state is so corrupt that

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Speaker 4: if you're not a lobbyist.

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Speaker 4: Money, trips jets to elected officials, and elected officials can

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Speaker 4: accept them as long as you're.

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Speaker 1: Not directly you accept a gift like that, you can.

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Speaker 4: As long as it's as long as you're elected and

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Speaker 4: not you know, appointed or member of the bureaucracy, and

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Speaker 4: if you're not a lobbyist or doing work for a lobbyist.

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Speaker 3: So let's say I have a gas station.

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Speaker 4: Instead of having my lawyer, I mean, my lobbyist use

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Speaker 3: I let her use my jet. It's all legal.

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Speaker 2: I think that this is interesting because people outside of

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Speaker 4: There's no doubt we let's you know, throw out Jason Wentworth,

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Speaker 3: It's a dirt pile we live.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Field is an interesting one because obviously that came out,

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Speaker 2: out that he has had all of these dirty deeds

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Speaker 1: Clubs, all of this stuff.

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Speaker 2: But it's really barely been covered in the media even still,

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Speaker 2: why is this.

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Speaker 4: Because they suck and I'll be honest with you, like

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Speaker 4: chaff fields long gone. So why weren't the press covering

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Speaker 4: this while he had the reigns of power? The press

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Speaker 4: corps and Lancing lives in Lancing. Therefore you should know

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Speaker 4: what they're doing it now you know where they have

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Speaker 3: Here's the thing about women in the airplane.

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Speaker 4: Though she could absolutely accept that airplane right free, no problem.

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Speaker 4: So why didn't she Why engage in the subterfuseion, the

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Speaker 3: The pe with the airplane? Why because she knew it

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Speaker 4: Because we in America are upset were rightfully angry that

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Speaker 4: the Super Bowl is us.

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Speaker 3: That's what's wrong.

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Speaker 2: We're in the middle of a pandemic. We've just been

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Speaker 2: told we can't leave the state. Her immediate aids and

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Speaker 2: And she's telling people not to go to Florida. She

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Speaker 2: took a private jet because she said exactly what you said.

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Speaker 2: She said that her father was deathly ill. And she

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Speaker 2: who is deathly ill. The whole thing was a complete

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Speaker 2: scam and lie. But you're right, Why go to the

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Speaker 3: The day to do again, let me throw this in

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Speaker 4: So when I wrote this not long ago, why does

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Speaker 4: the governor's people go ape? They want a correction, they

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Speaker 4: want they want a retraction. I said, for what, all

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Speaker 4: I'm asking is this, if you put it in your

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Speaker 3: Was the check? Answer?

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Speaker 4: The question was the check cash? Because she and I

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Speaker 4: both know that answer, they're hiding. I suspect whimers in

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Speaker 2: Maybe I guarantee, Well, she's running what she's like the

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Speaker 2: co chair of the campaign for Biden right now? You know,

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Speaker 2: the story that I heard was that her people were

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Speaker 2: that she's like, you owe me something.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: It seems a little strange that this at this time.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the story was just written for a local

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Speaker 2: They come, they see your story, they go so nuts,

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Speaker 1: She's got to be out there for something.

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Speaker 2: And they're at the same time when they're attacking the

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Speaker 2: you've got Slotkin running and she's attacking everybody for gifts

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Speaker 2: while she's living. She had just gotten out of a

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Speaker 3: Where does she live? What's your address? Madam? Enough with this,

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Speaker 3: Enough with the politics.

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Speaker 4: It's really not hard to do the people's business, but

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Speaker 4: All rich kids entitled to it.

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: I did what people don't know that. Whitmer was a

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Speaker 2: who was what CEO of Blue Cross boushield yep.

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Speaker 4: Somehow, when her mother's sick and on her death beend

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Speaker 4: to get health care for her mother. Her mother was

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Speaker 4: married to the president of the Michigan Bar Association. Her

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Speaker 2: the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Joe Biden tells lies all the time.

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Speaker 2: Gretchen Whitmer comes up with you. These are stories to

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Speaker 2: tug the heartstrings. Joe Biden was just talking to troops

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Speaker 2: but that's not where he died. These are lies to

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Speaker 2: shame in continuing to lie regularly. So I want people

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Speaker 2: to understand when you talk about Dana Nessel, she is

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Speaker 2: the Attorney General of Michigan right now. And what she

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Speaker 2: did was she went on a vacation. This was just

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Speaker 2: in March, went on a vacation to Turks and Caicos.

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Speaker 2: She went with a local attorney friend. This was fromin

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Speaker 2: in like eighty six hundred dollars a night for these rooms.

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Speaker 3: Eight six hundred twenty nine dollars and sixty five cents

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Speaker 1: How do you know that?

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Speaker 3: Because I called the concierge asked, So.

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Speaker 1: She stays at how long? Five days? Five days?

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Speaker 2: She's there and the attorney's office pays for it. The

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Speaker 2: a significant gift, right and.

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Speaker 4: Now you know Nessling the attorney put out a pretty

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Speaker 4: limp statement affirming that she was there, but then Nessil

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Speaker 4: pays her own way. Well, since you pretty much outed

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Speaker 4: yourself to the public, were entitled to see the cashed check.

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Speaker 4: How much did you pay? How much was the champagne?

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Speaker 4: How much was the catamaran? You see how thiss goes.

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Speaker 1: That you know all about because the other attorney posted pictures.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, like just breathlessly.

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Speaker 4: So look at me with Obama, look at me with

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Speaker 4: Debbie Stavina, look at me with the governor, look at

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Speaker 4: me in the infinity pool.

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Speaker 3: Look at me in the catamarans. It's nuts.

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Speaker 4: It's important to say here that this prominent attorney has

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Speaker 4: business that intersects with the state. For instance, they were

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Speaker 4: part of a consortium of lawyers representing the second wave

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Speaker 3: The first wave got paid, the second wave.

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Speaker 4: Came forward and there was a small, tiny, little pot

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Speaker 2: You cannot you cannot get information about the legislature. This

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Speaker 3: Oh you take money.

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Speaker 4: Oh, you took the COVID response dollars and instead of

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Speaker 3: This is the kind of stuff eventually it comes home.

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Speaker 2: the Tutor Dixon podcast. Why China, Why bring China in?

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Speaker 2: When you see these companies, I mean, you've got Goshen,

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Speaker 2: Because Governor Youngkins said, no way, don't you dare bring

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Speaker 4: And just remember, twenty years ago China was a badquarter.

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Speaker 1: They would love to either have or destroy. Why would

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Speaker 4: China's a backwater. If ever, I'm not worried about China.

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Speaker 3: We created the guard all of this.

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Speaker 1: It is bipartisan right now.

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Speaker 2: And let me tell you, this is someone who has

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Speaker 1: This is someone who is running his state in a.

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Speaker 2: It's a great state to live in. Whitmer goes to

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Speaker 4: I'm not if I was governor, I'm not looking to

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Speaker 4: create Cayman Islands for big business. You come to my state,

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Speaker 4: you pay a reasonable rate. You're not a welfare patient

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Speaker 4: like GM is a big welfare patient, as is Ford,

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Speaker 4: as is the Lantist. They've taken well over well over

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Speaker 4: one hundred billion dollars in just subsidies since two thousand

447
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Speaker 4: and eight across this country. That's not patriotic. That's nothing

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Speaker 4: you can build a state economy on. Because if you

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Speaker 4: actually look what's going on in Wayne County, Detroit specifically

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Speaker 4: with all these huge giveaways while murders through the roof.

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Speaker 2: No, you're now seeing we're not offering you're low energy costs.

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Speaker 3: We're seeing what you're now seeing the longtime businesses in

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Speaker 3: Detroit Marathon right, MGM, they want tax rebates. Now.

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Speaker 4: If everybody into the future is getting them, why shouldn't

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Speaker 4: I have them? You see how this starts to corrode

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Speaker 4: like the common welfare.

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Speaker 3: I'm at the corner of six mile and Lodge. It's blood, it's.

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Speaker 4: Crumbling, there's paper and garbage everywhere.

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Speaker 1: My god, I mean we started before we got on.

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Speaker 2: We started talking today and I asked you, why do

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Speaker 2: you have abandon on your face? You just got hit

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Speaker 2: over the weekend. I mean, this is like just random violence.

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Speaker 2: This is this is the problem. We cannot live in

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Speaker 2: a society that is not safe. But that's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Other governors are simply offering low energy costs, low taxes,

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Speaker 2: and safe communities.

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Speaker 3: That's true. I mean all that is true. I agree

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Speaker 3: with that. Now, how we see that's a place to start.

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Speaker 3: We all agree with that.

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Speaker 2: We've got a problem on the West Side because Walmart's

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Speaker 2: our biggest employer and everybody's getting these low paying jobs.

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Speaker 1: And I said, no, you're wrong.

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Speaker 2: I went to the Chamber of Commerce in this town

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Speaker 2: and I said, you know what, we can bring other

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Speaker 2: factories to our empty buildings. And they said, please don't.

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Speaker 2: We have no workers. Don't bring any more factories. They're good,

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Speaker 2: high paying jobs, management jobs, shop floor jobs, open. Nobody

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Speaker 2: is working in these jobs. We don't have people to

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Speaker 2: work in these factories. And I said, they're asking me

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Speaker 2: not to bring people to this town. And this guy

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Speaker 2: says to me, you know, I was at a Chamber

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Speaker 2: of Commerce meeting in Flint. He said that shocks me

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Speaker 2: because now I'm thinking back. And he said they had

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Speaker 2: three businesses come to Flint and say we're willing to

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Speaker 2: invest in Flint, and turns out GM blocked them from

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Speaker 2: coming because they said they'd take their employers. So we're

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Speaker 2: paying GM to come into this state of Michigan to stay.

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Speaker 2: We're begging them to stay, but we're paying them. It

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Speaker 2: makes no sense. And then they're chasing off other businesses.

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Speaker 1: How is that? How does that make sense? It doesn't,

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Speaker 1: And how does that help the people Flint?

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Speaker 3: It doesn't.

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Speaker 2: This is a it's a very corrupt mess. The media

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Speaker 2: is not talking about this. When we push the media

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Speaker 2: to talk about this, they don't want to talk about it.

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Speaker 2: Why are they protecting these I mean really protecting both

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Speaker 2: sides in government when you see the types of things

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Speaker 2: that are happening, the projects that are going out, projects

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Speaker 2: being handed to Republicans that help with campaigns, projects being

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Speaker 2: handed to buddies of legislator legislators, whether it's on the

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Speaker 2: Democrat or the Republican side. Big money gifts going to

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Speaker 2: the top three people in the state.

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Speaker 1: Why hide it?

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Speaker 3: Well, the media because they're cool kids at the table.

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Speaker 4: They think they have a seat at the table, and

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Speaker 4: they really like the prestige of that.

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Speaker 3: They don't realize I say that they're really a lap poodle.

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Speaker 4: You're just a lab poodle and you're scratching between your

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Speaker 4: ears and that's not really a play setting for you.

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Speaker 4: That's a scrap that fell from the table. I don't

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Speaker 4: get it again. I'll say it again. You know, we

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Speaker 4: go back to the cliches of college, the do gooders,

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Speaker 4: you know, like Lynden Milrooge or whatever we're doing, or

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Speaker 4: you know, green peace and whatever.

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Speaker 3: You're not looking out for the people.

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Speaker 4: I thought it was, like Hubert Humphrey said, the best

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Speaker 4: gauge of a society is how we treat our weakest

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Speaker 4: and fraylest and most infirm, our children and our elderly specifically.

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Speaker 3: And look what happened during the pandemic to them.

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Speaker 4: No one healthy kid died from COVID, lots of elderly

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Speaker 4: people did. We did nothing to stop the elderly people

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Speaker 4: from dying, and we destroyed the spirit of our kids.

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Speaker 4: Good thinger kids and resilient, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: But we did them a great disservice, and we knew

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Speaker 4: it when it was.

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Speaker 2: Kids are not Gamsillian as they pretended that kids would be.

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Speaker 2: I mean that this hurt our kids. And they don't

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Speaker 2: want to act like it hurt our kids. They don't

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Speaker 2: want to talk about the fact that it hurt our kids.

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Speaker 2: But it did hurt our kids. They are they are

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Speaker 2: protecting electeds. And I have to say, you know, running

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Speaker 2: for office, it was I was certainly not I didn't

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Speaker 2: have fans in government.

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Speaker 1: I'll just say that I had.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I had support from a few elected officials,

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Speaker 2: and I was grateful for that. But there were people

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Speaker 2: on both sides that did not want me to join

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Speaker 2: this because I was the outsider. I was not involved

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Speaker 2: in any of this. I'd never been involved in any

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Speaker 2: of this. And if I ran an ad against Whitmer

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Speaker 2: and they, the media thought that it was unfair and anyway,

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Speaker 2: they came out and they just detacked it. But I

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Speaker 2: do want to get to the ad that was so

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Speaker 2: harmful to me, and that was the ad that when

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Speaker 2: I came on your show and I talked about you

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Speaker 2: asked me, what about a fourteen year old? And I

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Speaker 2: said to you, that's the perfect example of why we

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Speaker 2: need parental consent because of predators. And they that was edited.

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Speaker 2: That was edited, And we went to the media and

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Speaker 2: said this is edited. It didn't matter. They didn't care.

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Speaker 2: They were never going to come out and say, well,

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Speaker 2: this is a lie. Whitmer's running ads that are a lie.

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Speaker 2: They were never going to say that wasn't true. You

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Speaker 2: went to the DGA. You tried to get the ID

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Speaker 2: taken down because you were in the ad and you said,

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Speaker 2: it's deceptively edited.

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Speaker 1: So what do you I mean, what do you think

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Speaker 1: about that situation?

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Speaker 4: Well, let's slay that out for what it is. So

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Speaker 4: you were on our show. We posted it in its entirety. Well,

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Speaker 4: my editor took out because the part where you're like

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Speaker 4: about parental consent and the party took out. And you go,

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Speaker 4: that's a perfect example parrettal consent. And then two seconds

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Speaker 4: I go, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no no,

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Speaker 4: we're not going there answer the question. Yes, it was edited.

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Speaker 4: Two they highlighted it. Three, they super highlighted it.

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Speaker 3: Four.

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Speaker 4: Once your people came to me and said we have

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Speaker 4: an issue with it, I go, we'll address it.

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Speaker 3: We'll post the whole thing. We'll put that ten seconds

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Speaker 3: back in.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: No, nobody was interested in that.

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Speaker 4: That's true, And I felt I got abused because I

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Speaker 4: don't accept little call money.

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Speaker 3: Whitmer's too cowardly to speak to me. You got to

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Speaker 3: vote for her. She can't speak to me. How's she

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Speaker 3: going to speak to putin?

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Speaker 4: But they used it now having said that no matter

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Speaker 4: what was edited, I don't know how you are going

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Speaker 4: to get around the fact that you said a fourteen

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Speaker 4: year old should have to carry her uncle's rape baby.

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Speaker 4: That's basically your stance. So no matter how they edited it,

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Speaker 4: that's it. And I admired you for this. You stood

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Speaker 4: by that.

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Speaker 2: My stance is certainly not that we look at a

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Speaker 2: child and say, oh, yeah, this is an easy situation.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's the thing. In an interview someone asks

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Speaker 2: you that question, I think that you can just answer that.

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Speaker 2: You know, you can just say, oh yeah, that's an

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Speaker 2: easy situation. And I actually just did a podcast that

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Speaker 2: came out on Wednesday about abortion because I think that

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Speaker 2: this was I mean, I'm in the group of elected

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Speaker 2: or A and the group of candidates that is for

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Speaker 2: the first time running pro life. And I say I

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Speaker 2: was the first time running pro life because every other

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Speaker 2: candidate before that didn't matter, didn't matter. Rogi Wade was

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Speaker 2: in place you could say your life all you want

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Speaker 2: doesn't matter. So I'm the first one in the position

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Speaker 2: where you're getting calls from the life people every day.

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Speaker 1: You said this wrong, go fix it. You stand for this.

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Speaker 2: And look, I think that there are a lot of

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Speaker 2: mistakes that have been made in the culture war of life,

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Speaker 2: and I address this in great detail in my podcast

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Speaker 2: from Wednesday, talking about we really did have to go

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Speaker 2: through this, and you know, I hate to have been

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Speaker 2: that sacrificial lamb in this case, but it was a

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Speaker 2: wake up call for a movement that is very important,

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Speaker 2: but a movement that has to be something beyond political,

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Speaker 2: because political is not the movement. Political is not the

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Speaker 2: space for it. It's got to be a ques That's.

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Speaker 3: That's true, but that's what it was.

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Speaker 4: I'll tell your listeners this when I'm doing my program,

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Speaker 4: and I want you know, hey, somebody look at Dixon

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Speaker 4: ed the Stones to do it. Come on, elected officials.

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Speaker 4: I'll leave their names out of it. I don't know

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Speaker 4: why I am, but I will. From the left, I

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Speaker 4: want to know about this abortion legislation, for instance, is

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Speaker 4: their parental notification? It comes down to just trust me.

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Speaker 3: On this right.

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Speaker 4: But there were elected, prominent elected officials that were taking

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Speaker 4: their marching orders from plans parenthood. Who they would give

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Speaker 4: an interview to, who they would not when they would appear,

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Speaker 4: if they would give a statement.

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Speaker 3: That's nuts.

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Speaker 1: Who are those people?

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Speaker 3: Tell you off the air. Maybe I'll be saved in

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Speaker 3: that one.

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Speaker 1: Well, as you heard, that was Charlie Leduff.

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Speaker 2: Charlie is talking about corruption, all things elections, everything that

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Speaker 2: we expect Charlie to be focused on in the state

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Speaker 2: of Michigan every single day. He's out there reporting on

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Speaker 2: the road right now as we're talking to him, at

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Speaker 2: site of a robbery just a few nights ago. So

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Speaker 2: I appreciate him joining me. Thank you Charlie for being on,

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Speaker 2: and thank you all for joining us on the Tutor

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Speaker 2: Dixon Podcast. For this episode and others, go to Tutor

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