1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: The volume. The Colin Coward Podcast is brought to you 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 1: by Fan Duel. It's never been easier to play fantasy 3 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: on Fan Duel. Whether you love basketball, golf, soccer, or 4 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: any other fantasy sport. There's a contest for every fan 5 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: Fan Duel more ways to win. Hi everybody, it's Colin 6 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: Coward and welcome to the ball. This is our first 7 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: official podcast. So let me lay it out. Ten months ago, 8 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 1: we have a pandemic. I come home at noon, there's 9 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: no games, there's nothing to do. Couldn't go to restaurants 10 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: in California, couldn't do anything. And so I just thought 11 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 1: to myself. My radio show was sold out, and I thought, 12 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: I need a new project. I'm off at noon. I 13 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: don't know any one of these people that play tennis 14 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: all the time, and so I put this thing together. 15 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: It took nine and a half months, and it's been 16 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: the hardest thing I've ever done. It is the most 17 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: rewarding thing I've ever done. When Bloomberg came out, I'm 18 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 1: doing this on Sunday with that article, you know, I 19 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: got emotional. It was my wife said, it's like it's 20 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: like having a kid. Like nine months ago. It starts 21 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: with a zoom meeting, and you've gone the past nine 22 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: months not sleeping much, up every hour. But I think 23 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: what I love about it, and what I'm so fired 24 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: up about, is that we're going to do this our way. 25 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: I think sometimes in life there are these moments, and 26 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: there's these little bursts, and you've got to take advantage 27 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: of them. And the pandemic actually started all this. It 28 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: was a sense of Okay, is this gonna be my life? 29 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: I do three hours, it's easy. I'm home at noon. 30 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: I don't get a bit of a ten. There's got 31 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: to be another creative outlet where I can say what 32 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: I want to say, do what I want to do, 33 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: talk about what I want to talk about, without worrying 34 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: about Oh do I have this time restraint. Oh I've 35 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: got to get out at this time for this break. 36 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: Oh I've got to talk about this subject. I don't 37 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: want to do that in the second half of my day. 38 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: I want to take shots. I want to talk about 39 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: stuff I want to talk about. It will overwhelmingly be sports, 40 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: but it'll be interviews with interesting people on interesting subjects. 41 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: This has been the hardest nine months of my life. 42 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 1: A lot of anxiety, a lot of negotiating, But I 43 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: think I have an incredible salesforce, an amazing corporate sponsor 44 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 1: and fan duel, and the team we put together, I 45 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: pinch myself is just unbelievable. The quality of people we 46 00:02:56,080 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 1: have on this editors on down, everybody, The quality is shocking. 47 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: I've told that to the people that I talked to 48 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 1: on a daily basis and communicate with. Do we understand 49 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: how lucky I understand how lucky I am to be 50 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: working with the people I'm working with. And this is 51 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 1: day one and it's going to be an incredible ride, 52 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: and I hope you're part of it. So with that, 53 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: I'm excited to welcome in as the inaugural guest and 54 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: my new podcast network, The Volume. Maverick Carter, a guy 55 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: I've known for a while and a guy love CEO 56 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 1: of Springhill Company, one of the most successful businessmen in 57 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: sports and entertainment. His life story is amazing. He's crushed 58 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: in the digital space, with uninterrupted crushing in television, The Shop, 59 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: the Wall, Space, Jam Two's coming out. There are those 60 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: who speculate he will be running for political office. So 61 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: the only question, Maverick, is the Volume gonna make it. 62 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: I believe the volume is absolutely gonna make it. Thank 63 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: you for having me as your first guest. That's unbelieving. 64 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm the inaugural guest out of all 65 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: the big names. I watched your show every day, all 66 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: the big names who come on you talk to. I 67 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: don't know how the hell you picked me as your 68 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 1: first guests, but being that you picked me as your 69 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: first guest is clear that the volume is making very 70 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: smart decisions. So I believe it's gonna make it. So 71 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: let's go and talk about the meeting we had in 72 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 1: the kitchen. So you called me up. You said you 73 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 1: were going to be in the neighborhood. I said, okay, 74 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 1: come on over, I'll make you lunch. Now, was that 75 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: in June or July? About? Well, first of you said 76 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: come on over, I'll make you lunch. I didn't know 77 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: you'd really make me lunch for those the audience out 78 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: there calm those three hours a day on TV all 79 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: this other stuff. But he also can't cook very well. 80 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: You made me a nice salmon, spinach and mushrooms. It 81 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 1: was delicious. I was on a bike ride, ride my 82 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 1: bike to your neighborhood. That was in July. Yeah, and 83 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:02,359 Speaker 1: so I had laid out my vision to you, and 84 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 1: I sat there and basically peppered you for about an 85 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: hour and a half with questions. And you know, one 86 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: of the things that I think is interesting for our 87 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: audience is after I talked to you, I talked to 88 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: several friends and I said, you know, he Maverick gave 89 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: me a lot of clarity on this. When you go back. 90 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: Obviously you play high school basketball with Lebron, you know 91 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: Lebron all that stuff. What was your kitchen moment? You 92 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: had been a corporate guy, you'd been at Nike, and 93 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: then you what was your kitchen moment when you decided, listen, 94 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: I'm successful. I never thought I'd worked at Nike. I'm 95 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 1: doing well. I want to run my own thing. That's 96 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: a great question. And it's funny you say that because yours. 97 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: We were in your kitchen and you were talking me 98 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: through it, and I, you know, listening to you. It 99 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 1: really got my juices flowing because I love to hear 100 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: entrepreneurs and people that are going to go for it 101 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: that I'm going to take a swing, and mine literally 102 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 1: was also in the kitchen. It happened in my mother's kitchen. 103 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 1: I was working at Nike, but I went back to 104 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: Cleveland for the summer because I lived in Oregon. So 105 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 1: I was back in Cleveland and Lebron came over. He says, 106 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 1: I want to call me. He says, you and town. 107 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: I said he. He says, I want to come meet you. 108 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: I said, I'm going to see my mom, gonna have lunch. 109 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: Come over there about three thirty we'll be done for lunch. 110 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: And we set in the kitchen and he started talking 111 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: to me about what he believed he could become as 112 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 1: a player, and he wanted what he did off the 113 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: floor to match that, and he thought the agent he 114 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 1: had at the time was not going to be able 115 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: to help him achieve that. And he thought that I 116 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 1: had groomed myself in the education I got at Nike, 117 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: I was the one to help him, and at that moment, 118 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 1: to your point backing up before that, working at Nike 119 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: was like a dream to me. I got to be 120 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: at what I considered the greatest brand in the world. 121 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: I was in your home part of the country, the 122 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: Great Northwest, where I had I learned to love. I 123 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 1: went to Nike every day for those and they who 124 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: have never been a Nike I called Nike Disney World 125 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: for athletes. When you go to Nike's campus, an indoor 126 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: track and outdoor track, there's football fields, baseball field there, 127 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: and there's people all playing sports. You go to lunch, 128 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: there's three basketball games going on. And I loved it. 129 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: And I got to make money doing that, working around athletes. 130 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: I felt like that's where I wanted to be the 131 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: rest of my life. But when Lebron said that to me, 132 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,679 Speaker 1: I was like, I gotta go for this. I gotta 133 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: give this a shot. And when I look at the 134 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: risk versus the reward, I gotta take this chance because 135 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: I believe I'm skilled enough to always if I fucked 136 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: this up or screw this up, excuse me, I can 137 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: always go back and get another job. By the way, 138 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: you can drop f bombs. That's the great thing about this. 139 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: That's right. We're not on box. That's right. I started 140 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: this just so I could drop F bombs. That was 141 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: a whole week. But it's interesting because I grew up 142 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: dad an autometrist, mom in the school system. Tell people 143 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: where you grew up. You had a very important grandmaf 144 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: I recall who gave you great advice. Give people a 145 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: little your background. This was not your classic American Wharton 146 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: pen parents had done this. One of the reasons I 147 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: think I'm attracted to you is because you're curious. You 148 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: have that chip on your shoulder. But I think both 149 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: you and I we talked about this when we had lunch. 150 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: It's so much more satisfying when you've got to do 151 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: it on your own. It really is like, you know, Maverick, 152 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: if you were a trust fund kid, you wouldn't know 153 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: what you wouldn't know. But there's a sense of confidence 154 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: you have built because you keep succeeding on these projects. 155 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: It has to be fulfilling. But let's go back to 156 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: your family. Give me somebody that was a seminal importance, 157 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: your grandma, for instance. My upbringing, I was raised by 158 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: my mom my dad. They operated when I was about five, 159 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: and my dad's always been in my life today as 160 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: one of my best friends. My mom was a social worker, 161 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: worked twenty eight years for the county that we grew 162 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: up in. And my dad was born with a defect 163 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: in his hard to hold his heart and dropped out 164 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: of school in the eighth grade. Never worked a job 165 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,959 Speaker 1: because physical labor no one would hire him because he 166 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: had open heart surgery twice before he was twenty years old, 167 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: the third time when he was fifty four, and he 168 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: wasn't educated. But my dad's an ambitious guy who figures 169 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:32,959 Speaker 1: everything out, and he wasn't going to let that stop him. 170 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: So he resorted his street life and ended up in 171 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:36,959 Speaker 1: the streets, ended up selling drugs. Went away at the 172 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: Federal pens entry when I was eight. But my mom 173 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,839 Speaker 1: always and my dad were opposites. My mom is a 174 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: steady you know, went to work, took her seven years, 175 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,959 Speaker 1: but graduated college. My dad is ambitious, not waiting around, 176 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: going to figure it out. If it means taking a 177 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: chance to go to jail, he will. And his mom 178 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: raised him and his brothers. There were seven of them. 179 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 1: She had seven kids in nine years, so therefore I 180 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: had a lot of first cousins at the same age, 181 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: and my mom and my aunt's and my uncle's they 182 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: would all drop their kids at my grandmother's. I was 183 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,959 Speaker 1: the youngest because my dad's the youngest, and my grandmother's 184 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: house was what we call in our neighborhood and after hours, 185 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: so on Friday and Saturday night, when the bars closed, 186 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: you could still go to Miss Carter's and get a drink. 187 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,199 Speaker 1: And she ran in her basement. It started about Friday 188 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 1: at six o'clock. She had a craps table, a poker table, 189 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 1: and a pity pat table, and she cut the game. 190 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,679 Speaker 1: She was a house. She took a rake, and she 191 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 1: really taught me a She taught me curiosity. She taught 192 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: me all my communication skills, how to communicate. You go 193 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: down in her basement column on a Friday night, there'd 194 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: be the mailman, the milkman, a pimp drug that there was. 195 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 1: Everybody from the neighborhood came. Because gambling is one of 196 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 1: those things as it brings all walk of life together, 197 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: and she had to communicate with all of them. She 198 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: sold them liquor. She gave him food for free, as 199 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,319 Speaker 1: she told me, if the players get hungry, you never 200 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: want them to have to leave to get food, because 201 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: you want to keep him there playing. And she took 202 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: a raak on the game, and she really taught me 203 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 1: how to communicate, and she taught me how to take 204 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:19,079 Speaker 1: a chance. And her famous line was if you got 205 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:21,959 Speaker 1: to haunt, you better bunch. And that's how I felt 206 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: about business. I obviously had a big hunch. I had 207 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: Lebron James standing there in front of me, going help 208 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 1: me figure this out. I knew he was committed to 209 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: being a great player. I knew how smart he was, 210 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 1: so I had a hunch. So my big bet was 211 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: lead Nike and take this chance. And I decided to 212 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: do it based on everything that my grandmother had taught 213 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: me growing up. And that was my first job was 214 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: sweeping up players would be done playing at about six 215 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,559 Speaker 1: in the morning, sometimes five. She'd wake me up. I'd 216 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: always fall asleep, so give me the broom does planing. 217 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 1: I'd go around sweeping up the cigarette butts. And the 218 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: good news is every now and again five or ten 219 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 1: bucks laying on the floor. And that was the best 220 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: part of the That was the best part of the job. 221 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 1: And while I was down there, if I see someone 222 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:07,839 Speaker 1: drop money, I said, don't worry about the sweeper. Real 223 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 1: good it later. It's so good. When I look at 224 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: your life, I've You're one of a half dozen people 225 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: I've asked about this project, and they all said, Colin, 226 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: you come from a non traditional family. That will be 227 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 1: an advantage. You'll be able to pivot very easily. You're 228 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: not a rigid personality. When I hear you, I think, oh, 229 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: that's your advantage too. You pivot quickly because your life 230 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: wasn't go to college, grandfather had done it. Take me 231 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: to one of your companies that you had to make 232 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: a major pivot, and maybe people around you struggle like Fellas. 233 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 1: Trust me on this, because, as you know business Amazon 234 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: started selling what books, Netflix was selling DVDs. You never 235 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: end up being the company that starts. Give me an 236 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: example for our audience and just for me on a 237 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 1: pimp that you've had to make in the last ten years. Yeah, 238 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: when I was as you know, I left Nike, I 239 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: went back to Cleveland, partner with Lebron, was going to 240 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 1: build this big sports management company. And then in two 241 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:21,319 Speaker 1: thousan eleven sold half of that company the Fenway Sports Group, 242 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: who have been fantastic partners since then, and Tom Warner, 243 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: their chairman, sits on our board. The spring Hild company 244 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: now went to Lebron decided to go to Miami's a 245 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,319 Speaker 1: big change went there. And then in two thousand and 246 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: twelve I said to Lebron, you know, I think we 247 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: have an opportunity to really take our life and what 248 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 1: we've been through and put it into a content a shove. 249 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: So we took this show out. We sold the show, 250 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: not the way the TV business works. We got very lucky. 251 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: Chris Albreckle was running Starts at the time at Breakfast, says, 252 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: I'm envent as we made this show from for seasons. 253 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: And then I was talking to a couple other people 254 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 1: really feeling my way around because I felt like in 255 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: twenty fourteen we should go hard at the content space 256 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: because there was no one like us, meaning like Lebron, 257 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: or that come from the place that we do, that 258 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: had that wanted to tell these authentic stories in a 259 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: way that truly empowered athletes, creators talent to tell their story. 260 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: And Lebron decides to go back to Cleveland, and I said, 261 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: I ain't going back to Cleveland this time. I'm going 262 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: to LA to build what is now the spring Hill Company. 263 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: And at first it was just going to be I 264 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: want to do script a TV and along the way 265 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: a big pivot was I said we should launch under 266 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: what became what is uninterrupted, which is everybody in Hollywood 267 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: is focused on writers, actors, directors, which we do a 268 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: lot of that too, but no one would have built 269 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: a place that was truly allowing athletes to tell their story. 270 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: No one had truly built that place, and not in 271 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: a way that any way got in front of journalism 272 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: or was journalism. We never wanted to be journalism or 273 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: anything of the story. We just wanted to build a 274 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: place where athletes like writers could walk in and go, hey, 275 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: I have this idea that and we go those three 276 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: aren't good, but that one. Let's develop them together. And 277 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: at first we got criticism and people thought we were 278 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: a little crazy, but I was like, this is the 279 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: future of empowerment, this is the future of storytelling. And 280 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: now as we sit here today, we have you know, 281 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: streamers out of the wazoo and podcasts we have become 282 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: on Interrupt has become the place to truly tell the 283 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: more than an athlete story. The next time you're watching basketball, 284 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: I've got the perfect way for you to get in 285 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: on the action for free. I'm talking about NBA in Play. 286 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: It's absolutely free to play on the fan duel app 287 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: and features all the fun of live betting. NBA in 288 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: Play turns every quarter of every game into a free 289 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: contest where you can win real cat prizes. 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You know, I'll speak to 305 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: a class or something and they always ask for advice, 306 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: and I always say, well, I don't want to give 307 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: advice because my life is different than yours, and I 308 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: could send you off the interstate to an off ramp 309 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: and get you lost. I'll give you an opinion, have 310 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: thick skin. Michael Jordan gets criticized, Lebron gets criticized. Brady 311 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: to this day it is a system quarterback and it's like, 312 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: how early in your life it affected me as a broadcaster. 313 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: Now I think it's funny. Maybe it's the success, the 314 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: money confidence. Now I think criticism is kind of funny, 315 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: like I'm here for it. But was there a time 316 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: early the decision when it didn't wreck you? But just 317 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: as you're building this empire and there's critics that every turn, 318 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: I mean, we're there. Have you evolved in a sense 319 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: of you're a little bit like an athlete? Now you 320 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 1: actually were a pretty good athlete, but in that hey man, 321 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,640 Speaker 1: even if you hit home runs, there's naysayers and critics. 322 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 1: Did it bother you early? Yeah? It did? Call it 323 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: really it bothered me at first. It bothered me and 324 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 1: I you know, because it's a little bit. Criticism is 325 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 1: a bit like fear. We all have fear. I'm sure 326 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,199 Speaker 1: launching the volume, you have the sense of fear. And 327 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: people don't always understand that because they go, well, you're Colin, 328 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: You've got to show you're richer. But but it isn't 329 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: about when you're ambitious like you are, like I am. 330 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: It's the fear of, not a failure of like no 331 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 1: matter how much money you have or what you succeed. 332 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 1: Every day you're going to wake up and prove yourself again. 333 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: As I always say, if you look at if you 334 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: look at life the way it works, and my career 335 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,719 Speaker 1: has definitely been like this. At every success. All I 336 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: always tell my team, all success does is it gives 337 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: you an opportunity to succeed on a bigger platform. So 338 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 1: you succeed in high school, Well, now let's see what 339 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 1: you can do in the SEC. Oh you're great in 340 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: the SEC. Well can you do it in the NFL? 341 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 1: So at every level of success, Brady, you won six 342 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: Super Bowls, but nobody gives a shit. You're on TV tomorrow, 343 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: Kenny win set up, you know what I mean? Like, 344 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 1: that's just the way life is. It's just that Belichick's 345 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 1: won everything, but Kenny win without Brady. So in life, 346 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: it's not about how much money you have. This it's 347 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:07,159 Speaker 1: this fear of like I have to accomplish something. And 348 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: what I realized is through that is that I'm actually 349 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: addicted to accomplishment. I'm not addicted to money, I'm not 350 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: addicted to anything. I'm addicted to accomplishing things, to seeing 351 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 1: things get checked off. Like I want to complete this. Oh, 352 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: I checked the box. I'm addicted to checking the box, 353 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: so you get so so the criticism starts to if 354 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 1: you let it get too heavy, it starts to feel 355 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 1: like something in the way of me checking my box. 356 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: And it used to it used to get me, like 357 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 1: I used to be a bit afraid of it, until 358 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 1: I learned how to put it behind me and instead 359 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 1: of it being a wall, it actually became rocket fuel 360 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 1: and really push me. And I think to your point, 361 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: the pinnacle, obviously most people know, for me was the decision, 362 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,679 Speaker 1: and most it was like I mean, I thought I 363 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: was over. It wasn't even about how I felt personally. 364 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: I felt a that I really ruined something for my 365 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:05,640 Speaker 1: best friend and my business partner. And be holy shit, 366 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,439 Speaker 1: I'm not this is going to derail me from checking 367 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: a lot of boxes that I planned on checking in 368 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: my life of accomplishing things. So yeah, it used to 369 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: it used to be really stand in my way, And 370 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: now I've learned to put it behind me and kind 371 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:21,439 Speaker 1: of let it be my fuel that pushes me. You know, 372 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: we always talk Maverick about you know, I'm a big 373 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 1: believer adapting is free. Most great things you'll pay for it. 374 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: It's free to adapt. And what adapting does. If you're 375 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: an old football coach like Andy Reid and you adapt, 376 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: it makes you younger. And if you're younger like my 377 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 1: son and you're into attack, he's fourteen, it makes him 378 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:51,199 Speaker 1: feel older. So adapting in life lets you be the 379 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 1: age you really want to be. It's crazy, and we 380 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,199 Speaker 1: talk about that all the time. But then I think 381 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 1: to myself, people thought the Wildcat was going to be 382 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 1: big in the NFL and in the end in the 383 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 1: and you just need a guy who can make throws 384 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: down the field to him day. Is there a danger 385 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: Maverick in always looking to evolve and adapt and then 386 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: moving away from core principles. Have you thought about that? 387 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: That always works timeless principles. You have to be open 388 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: to your point, You have to be open to evolution 389 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: and adapting, and you can't get stuck and rigid in 390 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 1: your ways or in your spot. But you do have to, 391 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: you know, to your point. Andy Reid, it seems like 392 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 1: he added, I mean, he Belichick is obviously, I think, 393 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: the greatest coach I've ever seen, but Andy Reid is 394 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,880 Speaker 1: I mean, it almost seems like he adapts and evolves 395 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,919 Speaker 1: week to week. I can remember watching I remember watching 396 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: the Eagles. I was at the other place about twelve 397 00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 1: years ago, and I remember going on the air stand 398 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: and he reads the first coach I've ever seen, third 399 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,199 Speaker 1: and three is a passing down, and I remember that. 400 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,919 Speaker 1: I also remember watching Belichick and saying Belichick took the 401 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 1: middle of the field back. Nobody threw the tight ends 402 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 1: unless you had like Kellen Winslow. And then Belichick said, no, 403 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: no, no no, no, We're going to dominate the middle of 404 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 1: the field. We don't really care about the perimeter. And 405 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 1: it took about three years to the league to figure 406 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: it out. But my point on Andy Reid is like 407 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: I always go back to the one certainty is workout. 408 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,439 Speaker 1: We can keep adapting and evolving. You don't put the 409 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 1: time in, none of it matters. If I don't do 410 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: two and a half hours of prep, it's a shitty show. 411 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: Like That's the thing I always stayed too, Like I 412 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 1: have a core belief. I get up early. I'm a 413 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: moderate drinker, I don't smoke, I exercise daily, but it's 414 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: always work. And when young people come up, what I'm like, dude, 415 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: just put the time in. Don't just mailed in what's 416 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,880 Speaker 1: your average what's the work like in your average day? 417 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 1: My day is and your to your point, I'm always 418 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,719 Speaker 1: adapting and evolving. But the thing I is in my 419 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: core I stay true to or two things is curiosity 420 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 1: and communication. So um, through all the ups and downs 421 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: of our company, we got very you know, lucky. Last 422 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: uh in March, I closed the deal to raise one 423 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,439 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty million dollars in my company. Um, and 424 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 1: it was a lot of ups and downs, and I 425 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 1: went all over the world beating with investors. And the 426 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 1: main thing is that ability to communicate and to and 427 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 1: and in order to communicate, See what people It's funny 428 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: when people watch your show. You talk on the air 429 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: hours a day. You know, obviously you have guests enjoy 430 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: is in and out with you, But to sit there 431 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: for hours of the day and frankly talk to yourself. 432 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: I always say, Colin's got to be a little but anyway, 433 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: but anyway, But but what people don't know is you're 434 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: a very intent listener. Even your facial expression changes. So 435 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: I say that the key to communication is actually listening. 436 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 1: And I noticed what most people do. I say this 437 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 1: to CNNA my girlfriend all the time. I try and 438 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: help her be a better listener. I said, I see it. 439 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: I can see when people are talking to you, you're 440 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 1: not actually listening to them. You're actually contemplating your response, 441 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 1: so you're not even hearing what they're saying. So I 442 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: stick to truly communicating with people, my team, the people 443 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: I work with. And then I'm extremely curious. So my 444 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: day is always get up. I exercise daily. I do 445 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: something yesterday, I took a bike ride. Today, I did yoga, 446 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 1: play a little pickleball. I always do something to move 447 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: and get the blood flowing every morning. Then I get up, 448 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 1: I look at my I'm religious about looking at my 449 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: account or NonStop. Alexa, who works with me, knows, I 450 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 1: look at my calendar. I'm sessing my calendar because of 451 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: what you said. I want to be efficient. I want 452 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: to use my time wisely, and I have a family. 453 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: I want to be a I'm I'm a social guy, 454 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: and I get a lot out of being social, meaning 455 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 1: I learn a lot out of being social. I get 456 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: business ideas out of being social. I get television show 457 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: ideas out of being social. So I always try and 458 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: find a part of the day to be social with 459 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,919 Speaker 1: Ciana and of friends or someone, and then I'm in 460 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 1: the bed pretty early and backed up and do it 461 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 1: all over again. But to your point, I stick my 462 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: core principles of communication. In curiosity, it's interesting, I thought, 463 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: I thought maybe Lebron. Well, I don't think maybe. I 464 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: thought Lebron's greatest moment was the bubble. The bubble was 465 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 1: very difficult for married NBA players with kids. If you 466 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 1: were young, hell, it was like the greatest a youth 467 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 1: tournament of all time. You went to great hotels, you 468 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: got it absolutely right, Absolutely Lebron wanted. He was on 469 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: the breaking point a couple of times. And so I 470 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: think what separates Lebron. I've said this before. There's a 471 00:25:55,080 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: lot of great players physically, Lebron is a rock emotionally. 472 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: And during the bubble I saw a lot of married 473 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:11,120 Speaker 1: players and a lot of older players erode. They acknowledge, 474 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: they struggled with it. And yet the Lakers went into 475 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 1: the bubble, weren't right for about eight games at all, 476 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: and then something clicked and without I don't want to 477 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: get into lebron space or his privacy, but was there 478 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: a moment or an epiphany because from about game ten on. 479 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 1: They disposed of people. I mean, they beat people that 480 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 1: were red hot, like Denver five games, five games, five games. 481 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 1: I think we're forgetting they Denver was hot, Miami was hot, 482 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 1: Portland was hot, Houston was hot. These were five game series. 483 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: These weren't like the Warriors Dynasty was going six and seven. 484 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,439 Speaker 1: These were five gamers. There had to be a moment 485 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 1: in the bubble where because well, I thought the Lakers 486 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: were starting to come apart a little bit. Could you 487 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 1: take me to that moment because it did something. I 488 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:09,159 Speaker 1: don't know the exact moment. I know he had a 489 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 1: couple of different points where he was a little bit 490 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: like man because to your point, you know, Lebron's thirty five, 491 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,239 Speaker 1: he's accomplished a lot, got three kids, he's missing growing up, 492 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 1: his wife, his normal life. He's got a great life, 493 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 1: and he's now he's stuck in Orlando, you know, in 494 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: a in a hotel, just and there were a couple 495 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,920 Speaker 1: of moments that I talked to him, I know, I'm 496 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: sure his wife spoke to her many more times where 497 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: he was a little bit like I mean, how about 498 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,399 Speaker 1: this column. He's still today, it's ninety one days. He 499 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: still says, you spend ninety one days in Orlando. He knows, 500 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 1: he knows the exact amount of nights he was there. 501 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 1: So I think I think the moment post the Milwaukee 502 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:56,919 Speaker 1: and Orlando game when they set out post that moment, 503 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: I think it clicked to him, this is I just 504 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 1: I'm here. Everything else stopped the complaining A little it 505 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: post that game for him to me because that game, 506 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 1: the whole season was on the brink. A lot of that, 507 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,120 Speaker 1: the whole thing. The Lakers were like, maybe we should 508 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 1: be done. The Clippers were a lot. There's a lot 509 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 1: of talk, and I think past that moment, he just 510 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: you know what, I'm here, I'm doing it, I'm playing. 511 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 1: It's over now. I didn't hear him complain one more 512 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 1: day after that. It looked like it. I think it 513 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: translated to great bat Yeah, yeah, and he has an ability. 514 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: Lebron has two things. I mean, amongst a lot of things, 515 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: but two things to me. I've all the great people 516 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,719 Speaker 1: I've met in great minds. I've meant, I've met some 517 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 1: of this. I've been fortunate in my life for a 518 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: lot of things. But one of my favorite things that 519 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: the diverse and smart people I've met. I mean, the 520 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: list goes on and on and on, and Lebron two 521 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: things that he can do that are like other worldly. 522 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: He can learn and apply faster than anyone I've ever seen. 523 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 1: I always tell people I'm a fast learner. I can 524 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: learn toe to toe with Lebron. If you sat down, 525 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: callin with Lebron, I am taught of something about broadcasting. 526 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 1: It is I can learn and retain it as fast 527 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: as he can. I can't apply it. You could teach 528 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 1: him something about broadcasting on Monday night, and on Tuesday 529 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: he could sit in for you and he just do it. 530 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 1: It's just like I need reps, I need practice, I 531 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 1: need to rehearse it I need and then I got it. 532 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: But give me he can. He always tell people he 533 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: can watch a film himself, do something wrong in a 534 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 1: moment and then without ever practicing, Bill McCourt in that 535 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: same moment the next time and auto corrected. I'm like, 536 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 1: that makes no sense, zero sense. And then the second 537 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: thing is he is the greatest level of discipline I've 538 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: ever seen. I mean, he can just you know, one 539 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: summer he was like, I forgot what the hell the 540 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: paleo diet. He's like I'm going on paleo diet and 541 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,239 Speaker 1: he lost twenty pounds. Remember that he came back and 542 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: he came back then. Whether it was good or not 543 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 1: is not my point. I thought he needed to be 544 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: have but whatever. But just one summer, he just like, 545 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: no more carbs, no more of this, no more of that. 546 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 1: Only drink this kind of tequila and that was it. 547 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, I could say that, and 548 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: I maybe could make it about eight days. This guy 549 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 1: did it for like seventy five days. I mean we 550 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 1: were on a boat for a week where in Italy 551 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: eating amazing food. He's like, didn't he didn't touch the pasta, 552 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: didn't touch the bread. I'm like, are you crazy? But 553 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: his discipline and his ability to learn and apply, and 554 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: I think in the bubble that discipline of his showed 555 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 1: up at a very high level. Yeah, he is so 556 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 1: functional as a person. Um, you know, it's it's interesting. 557 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: I think about all the businesses my network. We were 558 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: able to get fan Duel as a partner. Congrats, Yeah, 559 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 1: and they've been Um, it's a great contract and we're 560 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: going to deliver for him. What do you make of 561 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 1: the sports gaming industry that is completely exploding? Um, there's 562 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: brick and mortars. There's your MGMs. You know, there's your Caesars. Uh, 563 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: there's your fan duels. What do you make of it? 564 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 1: Where does it go? It's rolling out state to state. 565 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 1: I just saw Michigan. Now, what do you make of it? 566 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: Do you worry about it? Does it concern you? Are 567 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 1: we are we getting ahead of ourselves? What do you 568 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: make of it? It does not worry me at all. 569 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 1: I think you know, you're never too late. But I 570 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 1: think we should have had this. It should have been 571 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 1: open in the country a long time ago. And I 572 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 1: can watch I watch EPL. It's been open to EPL forever. Yeah, 573 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: you can bet, you can bet that you can be 574 00:31:54,880 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: better in the stand. Yes, I think it drives fan interests, engagement. 575 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 1: I also think it's fun. You can gamify it even more, 576 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 1: I think and I do not think it's bad. I 577 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: don't even see where any harm of it can come. 578 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 1: The players, you know, in the sports that are the 579 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: most bet on, NFL basketball, the players make too much 580 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: money for you to like. And there's no bribing. This 581 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 1: isn't nineteen fifty five anymore. You know you're not bribing 582 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 1: a guy making fifty million dollars to play any So 583 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: and then when you look at you know, states are 584 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 1: regulating it. Still regulation is fine, they shouldn't overregulate it. 585 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: But when you look at the world now, you know, 586 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: you know twelve year old A friend of mine was 587 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 1: telling me just the other day, his twelve year old 588 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: son in law was telling him how one of his 589 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: friends made one hundred bucks trading stocks on robin Hood. 590 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 1: So what the hell are we talking about let people 591 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: bet sports? I mean, what do we I mean, you 592 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: know you can download e trade on your phone or 593 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: robin Hood and be trading stocks tonight. So what So 594 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 1: I think sports betting is great. I love the investments 595 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: going in it. I think for you and I were 596 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 1: in the sports and entertainment world, it drives more investment. 597 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 1: More people who couldn't invest in sports and entertainment are 598 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 1: coming in from brick and mortars like MGM, from FanDuel 599 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 1: sponsoring your thing. We do. We've done business with DraftKings. 600 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 1: So I think it's good for the sports and entertainment world. Yeah. 601 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: I mean, to me, it's another visceral connection. It makes 602 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 1: people love sports more, you stick around for games longer. 603 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: There's TV rating data which indicates people stick around a 604 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: bad game exactly exactly, you've got more people. You know, 605 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 1: My buddy I call him up sometimes, I'm like, did 606 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: you see that play? It would be like the LSU 607 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 1: Alabama game all. He's like, no, I'm watching Tulsa and 608 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: you know in Houston play. I'm like, oh, yeah, you 609 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 1: must get a lot of action. Yeah. No, I've had buddies. 610 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: I've had buddies say it's a Tuesday night and they're 611 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 1: watching the Memphis Grizzlies and I'm like, you want to 612 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: go out? And They're like, give me fifteen minutes. And 613 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 1: I'm like it's a twenty eight point blowout and they're like, dude, 614 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 1: I got blank blank blank on it. And I'm like, oh, 615 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 1: it's the new reality is there? Um? We know who 616 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,719 Speaker 1: the stars are in sports, but it's Hey, you're a 617 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 1: guy that is always looking for talent. You're looking for 618 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,880 Speaker 1: production talent, you're looking for executive talent. Is there an 619 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: athlete out there right now that you think he's undervalued? 620 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 1: He he's better. I thought that about Damien a little 621 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,399 Speaker 1: bit about five years ago. Now the market's caught up. 622 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,399 Speaker 1: It's corrected about five years ago because we both spent 623 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 1: so much time in Portland. I thought the people understand 624 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,840 Speaker 1: nobody's watching these Blazer games at night. Does everybody get 625 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 1: he may be the best closure in the NBA for 626 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 1: a size in the history of the league. There are 627 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: arguments to be made he's better than Steph because he's 628 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 1: a better athlete. Is there an undervalued NBA player? An 629 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 1: undervalued athlete you look at and think he's going to 630 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: be worth one hundred fifty two hundred and fifty million 631 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 1: here soon. I think that's a great question. I think 632 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: I always look at it from two from two angles too, 633 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: is like undervalue as to your point as a player, 634 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:16,240 Speaker 1: and are we not seeing what they can become after playing? 635 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 1: Or kind of do it like like like if you 636 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: we really did? We had no idea. You definitely didn't. 637 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 1: I definitely did. Nobody knew Romo would be this valuable 638 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 1: to sports broadcasting it was Was there any way to 639 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,759 Speaker 1: know he'd be there? I think he's the best of 640 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,279 Speaker 1: the business calling games. Was there any way to know 641 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,279 Speaker 1: what he'd be said before? I think he'll be like 642 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,480 Speaker 1: a broadcaster like he was as a quarterback. It'd be good, 643 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 1: it'd be good. He's a good quarterback. I always defended him. 644 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 1: He'll be a good broadcaster, but I think he brings 645 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,360 Speaker 1: an energy. I think he's made Jim Nance have to 646 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 1: be you know, Jim It can do this in this sleep. 647 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 1: But he is added. He keeps Jim on his toes 648 00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 1: because I mean, let's be honest about this. Romo will 649 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 1: say any thing at any time about anybody, and he 650 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:06,400 Speaker 1: forces Jim Nance, who's older, to be on his toes. 651 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 1: And I think so Romo's made not just himself, but 652 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 1: the entire broadcast better. I think that's a great one. 653 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,359 Speaker 1: You know, Tony Romo plays like six hours a day 654 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:18,879 Speaker 1: of golf. He is a classic. Um. He is kind 655 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 1: of your classic. He's good at everything he does. He's 656 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 1: he's good at everything, and that tells me he's highly intelligent. 657 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 1: He's highly functional. Romos. Let me let me think of 658 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 1: another one. Romo's very good. I'll tell a guy, and 659 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:35,320 Speaker 1: this is gonna sound ridiculous. I think Mookie Betts is 660 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,839 Speaker 1: actually undervalued because we've given up on baseball players as 661 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:44,320 Speaker 1: marketing eight ens the look, the sound. He literally plays 662 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 1: baseball Maverick like Joe Morgan. He's like playing in the 663 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 1: seventies and early eighties. He can feel, he can run, 664 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:56,719 Speaker 1: he can hit, he's situational, he's good looking, everything. And 665 00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 1: it's funny you say, oh, he makes two hundred and 666 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 1: fifty million. I think he is the athlete in America. 667 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 1: I think he is the greatest, most fascinating baseball player. 668 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 1: Mike Trout and him are the best players. I think 669 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 1: he's more fascinating than Mike Trout. Well, well, Truck's kind 670 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 1: of boring, right he is. I mean, I don't following 671 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 1: baseball's book. He's not boring. Mookie is juice. He's a 672 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,399 Speaker 1: Waukee's walk Mookie. Mookie could be one. You're right, and 673 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 1: it kind of came out this year A bit right. 674 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,400 Speaker 1: I did. My company. We had a meeting with Mookie 675 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,120 Speaker 1: Bets last week. Are I think really this team I 676 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,759 Speaker 1: unfortunately missed it, but they loved him. They were like, 677 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,720 Speaker 1: oh my gosh. My guy Jimmy Spencer, who runs athlete relations, 678 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:36,759 Speaker 1: came and he was like, Mookie Bets is the type 679 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,440 Speaker 1: of guy we should be working with. We could do, 680 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,319 Speaker 1: we could create shows with him. This. They loved him, So, 681 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,359 Speaker 1: you may be right, but he could do on the 682 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,359 Speaker 1: field and there's nothing he can't do. He's good looking, 683 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,359 Speaker 1: he's got everything. Yeah, Maverick Carter is joining us. He's 684 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:54,359 Speaker 1: had an undisclosed location south of where I'm currently at. 685 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,120 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna wrap this up as our inaugural guest 686 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 1: on the volume. Um, how old you now? I'm thirty nine. 687 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 1: I just turned thirty nine. Like to god, that's so 688 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 1: discouraging for me. I'm in my I'm in my mid fifties. 689 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:18,400 Speaker 1: Is there a finish line? You know, it's funny watching Lebron. 690 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,320 Speaker 1: There's no finish line. I don't see it. He's Brady, 691 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,920 Speaker 1: there's no finish line. Is I think him and Brady? 692 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 1: You know him and Brady are really close? Oh? They are? Yeah, 693 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,640 Speaker 1: I asked him me. I'm like, you and Brady, are 694 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,680 Speaker 1: you guys like seeing who quit first? You guys are 695 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,960 Speaker 1: just gonna keep going to someone quits first. But yeah, 696 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 1: they're really I'm I'm I know Tom pretty well, but 697 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,239 Speaker 1: Lebron and Tom are pretty to all right, So let 698 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 1: me let me make that the last question. Let's go football. Um, 699 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 1: I made this argument, Brady's an underrated athlete. So Peyton 700 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:56,439 Speaker 1: Manning Aaron Rodgers didn't get drafted by a major league 701 00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:01,400 Speaker 1: baseball team Brady did. Aaron Rodgers did not get offered 702 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 1: at Michigan. Brady did. Aaron Rodgers went to a junior college. 703 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:09,000 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers has been hurt multiple times. Brady's body is 704 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,319 Speaker 1: more professional athlete body six four two thirty never gets hurt. 705 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:17,880 Speaker 1: Is that it's funny about once every two years Brady 706 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:22,560 Speaker 1: will get really sensitive if somebody makes fun of his 707 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,600 Speaker 1: athletic ability, and he'll snap. He'll be like, I'm not 708 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:29,759 Speaker 1: that bad of an athlete. Like when you when you 709 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:34,879 Speaker 1: talk to Tom, not only what drives him, but are 710 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,279 Speaker 1: you ever kind of surprised because I don't sense a 711 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,799 Speaker 1: chip on Lebron's shoulder. I just think he sees the 712 00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:45,080 Speaker 1: world as opportunity. I've never sensed a chip on Lebron's shoulder, 713 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,160 Speaker 1: although we all have it. Brady, I still sense it 714 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,520 Speaker 1: when you're with Brady, do you sense it? Yeah, for sure. 715 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:56,919 Speaker 1: I met Tom playing cards with a long time ago, 716 00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:01,760 Speaker 1: and it must have been fifteen years ago, a long time, 717 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:06,080 Speaker 1: And yeah, you knew right away he has a chip 718 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,480 Speaker 1: on his shoulder, and but he does it with a smile, 719 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,520 Speaker 1: which is which is interesting because people who have chip 720 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,400 Speaker 1: on the shoulder can sometimes come off a little prickly 721 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,080 Speaker 1: and a little you know, a little mean and a 722 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,840 Speaker 1: little like, which is good. We're playing sports. Brady always 723 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,160 Speaker 1: does it with a smile, and he always does it 724 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,000 Speaker 1: well being the best teammate. Even if he has to 725 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,600 Speaker 1: get on his teammates, he's still a great teammate. And 726 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,680 Speaker 1: that chip, I think comes from to your point, you know, 727 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,040 Speaker 1: up until to your point. He got drafted by a 728 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,560 Speaker 1: baseball team. He went to Michigan through high school. I mean, Tom, 729 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,319 Speaker 1: that's one of those are two of the greatest accompliments 730 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,799 Speaker 1: you can have. But then he got drafted six I 731 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,080 Speaker 1: still did in the sixth round. I still think he 732 00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaker 1: feels like, obviously, now that was total bs. He had 733 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:57,560 Speaker 1: no business getting drafted back late. And when you watch 734 00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:02,000 Speaker 1: him play and this this how long he's playing is 735 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,720 Speaker 1: definitely you can sense it's about proving his point over 736 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,200 Speaker 1: and over and just it's almost like we get the 737 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,200 Speaker 1: point and he's like, no, He's going to keep just 738 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,839 Speaker 1: drilling it down that he is as good, that he's 739 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,520 Speaker 1: a great athlete. And I definitely sense that chip for sure. 740 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,360 Speaker 1: It is driving a numb you know. It's interesting. I 741 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,719 Speaker 1: was thinking about Maverick before I let you go. My 742 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,160 Speaker 1: sister and I have these conversations. I said, you know, 743 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,799 Speaker 1: Marlene's her name. I said, you know, we come from 744 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,799 Speaker 1: small towns. We didn't have much, I said, but I 745 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,239 Speaker 1: in a weird way, I feel like our parents were 746 00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:37,680 Speaker 1: like uniquely normal. Right. I listened to your family story, 747 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,799 Speaker 1: and for somebody like me, I listened to it, and 748 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,359 Speaker 1: I think, Okay, you're really close with your mom, You're 749 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:49,440 Speaker 1: really close with your dad, You're really close with your grandma. 750 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:56,000 Speaker 1: And in a unique way, your background is ideal. Now 751 00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,319 Speaker 1: people will say, oh, your dad was in Cartridge, but 752 00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:03,759 Speaker 1: you have real relationship ships. Yeah, that's interesting. People like 753 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:10,040 Speaker 1: deep real That's why you're so great at relationships. Everybody 754 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,520 Speaker 1: likes Maverick. You're great at him. You think of the 755 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,799 Speaker 1: think of the relationships you had, that's right. I never 756 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,600 Speaker 1: thought about it, that about it. I had very close 757 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,160 Speaker 1: with my mom, my dad, and both of my grandmothers actually, 758 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,240 Speaker 1: and though it was like, you know, my dad was incarcerated, 759 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:31,480 Speaker 1: my grandmother ran this, you know, after hours, basically illegal 760 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,920 Speaker 1: business and rand numbers, and that's why I kind of 761 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,880 Speaker 1: I never thought about that way. But it is uniquely normal. 762 00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:43,080 Speaker 1: And the fact that I had parents around two grandmothers. 763 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,640 Speaker 1: I go to each grandmother's house. You are, You're right, 764 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,440 Speaker 1: and I was in a small little city, but it 765 00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,680 Speaker 1: was uniquely You're right. I never thought about it. You're 766 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,880 Speaker 1: a relationship guy. I always said. People asked me about 767 00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,879 Speaker 1: Bill Simmons that, and I always say, Bills an idea guy. 768 00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:01,440 Speaker 1: I think it's right. I think, Ohix a relationship guy. Well, 769 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,520 Speaker 1: of course you are. You have an amazing relationships By 770 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,000 Speaker 1: the way, that's I never thought about that. The whole 771 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:11,840 Speaker 1: thing downstairs. Shit, people are doing that upstairs. Your grandma 772 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:16,520 Speaker 1: just took it downstairs. I mean exactly, exactly exactly. It's 773 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:21,400 Speaker 1: the same thing. It's she just took it downstairs. You're right, Maverick, 774 00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,640 Speaker 1: what a pleasure. Thank you so much for doing this. 775 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,200 Speaker 1: Enjoy yourself, and thanks for being the first guest. Thank 776 00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,320 Speaker 1: you man, I appreciate it. What an honor. Once I see, 777 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,520 Speaker 1: it'll always be a thing that's sixs of me. When 778 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,560 Speaker 1: the volume is so big, I'll have to call to 779 00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,399 Speaker 1: get booked and they'll be like, you gotta, Maverick, it's 780 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,239 Speaker 1: a six month waiting list. I'll be like, at least 781 00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,200 Speaker 1: I know I was the first guest. Good luck to 782 00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:44,799 Speaker 1: The Volume. I know you guys are gonna do great. 783 00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,759 Speaker 1: All right, everybody, hope you enjoyed our first podcast with 784 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:59,759 Speaker 1: Maverick Carter, Sports Entertainment, Businessman, wisdom Seeker, Curious Mind Maverick Carter. 785 00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,040 Speaker 1: I'll be doing three podcasts a week over the course 786 00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:08,120 Speaker 1: of the next several weeks on Instagram and on this platform. 787 00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna introduce you to a lot of really smart, 788 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:16,000 Speaker 1: young energized people. Thanks for following us. You can go 789 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:20,920 Speaker 1: to our Twitter account, The Volume Sports sign up and 790 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,879 Speaker 1: we'll just keep updating you. We have what we think 791 00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,480 Speaker 1: is an amazing podcasters going to join us in the 792 00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:31,480 Speaker 1: next two weeks. We'll also have a major announcement on 793 00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:56,279 Speaker 1: March first, So stick around. It's gonna be fun. The 794 00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:56,880 Speaker 1: Volume