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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast loves football. But welcome back

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Speaker 1: to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast. My

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Speaker 1: name is Dan hans As I am joined in a

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Speaker 1: room filled with heroes Mark Sessler, Chris Westling, and Greg

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Speaker 1: rosen Bal. What is our boys? Hey Dan, Happy New Year,

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Speaker 1: Happy New Year. I unfortunately was unable to attend your party.

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Speaker 1: West My wife, for the first time in three years,

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Speaker 1: decided to stay until midnight, and I could not abandon

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Speaker 1: her in her time of our hard partying ways returning

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Speaker 1: for one evening? What hard partying? Yeah? I mean, what

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Speaker 1: how did the night unfull? You know what I'm I've

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Speaker 1: come all the way around on New Year's I Love

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Speaker 1: New Year's um My podcast buddy Bob and his wife

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Speaker 1: and their two sons came over and it's like it's

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Speaker 1: more centered around the kids and the parents. You know,

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Speaker 1: some booze and drink eat some Well, what had happen

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Speaker 1: to other podcast buddies? They weren't part of your evening?

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Speaker 1: They weren't Mark. You knew you guys were having a

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Speaker 1: great time because I saw the Instagram dance party that

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Speaker 1: broke out and that looked like a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: There are more videos that will never make it so,

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Speaker 1: but it was. I would say, you're get together seems

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Speaker 1: a tad more mature than ours. I mean there's four

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Speaker 1: children involved, so yes, I would say so between and seven,

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Speaker 1: I feel like they were children at West's place. There

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Speaker 1: were children, No, not children. It went on till about

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Speaker 1: three in the morning. I think hub Hubba who said

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Speaker 1: the old guys camp party. You know, we don't couple

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Speaker 1: kids in their forties going nuts going on. Dudes in

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Speaker 1: their forties, well, there were more than that. There were

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Speaker 1: women in their twenties and thirties as well. Excuse me.

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Speaker 1: It was pretty Yeah, it was still. I would say

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Speaker 1: almost everyone was still there by three in the morning. Fair,

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Speaker 1: very fair ratio between the genders. Sounds like a fun time.

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Speaker 1: I have a little fomo. That's what the kids say.

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Speaker 1: Still right, Erica, yea, they do. Erica sent me some

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Speaker 1: photos on the texts very late at night about her night,

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Speaker 1: and it seemed like she had a nice time as well. Well.

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Speaker 1: Then you answered them yesterday afternoon and I said, oh

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Speaker 1: my god, I just texting Dan photos like that's how

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Speaker 1: he gets as um. Yeah, I wait until people are

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Speaker 1: very very drunk, all right. That was fun though, But

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Speaker 1: this is a new year. It's two thousand nineteen. It's

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Speaker 1: our Wednesday show. Uh. You last heard from us on Monday. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it was our New Horizons Monday podcast. And breaking down

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Speaker 1: all the hirings and firings across the NFL. We will

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Speaker 1: today's show. We will get more into what's going on

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Speaker 1: in terms of teams looking for new people for their

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Speaker 1: big chairs. Also the drama in Pittsburgh right now, which

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Speaker 1: is substantial around a certain star wide receiver. Will open

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Speaker 1: up the mail bag, get some questions about the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: which of course start this weekend. It's just days away now.

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Speaker 1: Very excited ing and uh, we'll close the show real

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Speaker 1: quick by going through our regular season sandwich props and

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Speaker 1: see how that all played out. So let us get going,

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Speaker 1: starting with the news. He needs to be taught a

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Speaker 1: lesson on that one. That's the same thing he did

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Speaker 1: the flat gole last year. It was bullcrap right there.

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Speaker 1: It is not approp reading the game. It's disrespectful the game,

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Speaker 1: disrespect for the opponent. I'm ready to go down in

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Speaker 1: here and take care of him. Bill's radio man um

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Speaker 1: I wish I had his name, should have his name,

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Speaker 1: But Bill's radio man as he has known on this episode. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it's always fun. Though he's talking about Kiko al Mark.

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Speaker 1: That was Mark Kelso. So. He was a player, so

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Speaker 1: he could probably handle himself. Maybe not with Kiko Alonso

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Speaker 1: I mean Kelso maybe he's got the old he's the

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Speaker 1: He's calling out Kiko Alonso for being unprofessional, fair enough,

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Speaker 1: Antonio Brown. Uh, the Pittsburgh Steelers wide receiver. It came

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Speaker 1: issues with the head coach, Mike Tomlin. We're hearing Greg Rosental. Uh.

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Speaker 1: This is what we're hearing. Uh. And the reason why

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Speaker 1: let's listen to Mike Tomlin. This is what he had

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Speaker 1: to say about Antonio Brown not playing on Sunday. Woke

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Speaker 1: Drew express Uh that he was feeling better and that

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Speaker 1: menu and Greg Uh. There's also reports that UH Antonio

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Speaker 1: Brown has requested a trade from Pittsburgh, but his cap

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Speaker 1: situation makes that difficult. There's a lot of bad news

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Speaker 1: It seems like that's bad reporting um by someone who

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Speaker 1: There seems to be pretty clear on our network that

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Speaker 1: basically was popping off, you know, if you're pcing together

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Speaker 1: want to get out of here. That's not a trade request? Right?

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Speaker 1: He does it like, that's not a trade request. Now

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Speaker 1: what he does? He? What do you want to get traded? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: maybe maybe that would make sense for everyone. I was

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Speaker 1: surprised that on our air, Ian Rappaport thought it'd be

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Speaker 1: hard for the Steelers. They would take a pretty big

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Speaker 1: go get despite everything, Ian's reasoning was, well, this guy's

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Speaker 1: a headcase. He still do this money. Fifteen million dollars

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Speaker 1: coming off a deeply disappointing season and Tenio Brown, as

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Speaker 1: great as he is for what it's worth, will enter

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Speaker 1: You would wonder if they would be tempted because they

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Speaker 1: Jesse James, Uh, they're tight end. He might be out

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Speaker 1: He just does these things where he speaks out, he

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Speaker 1: the Bengals. Losing Antonio Brown was a huge reason. He

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Speaker 1: Like if the Steelers don't do anything, basically, if they

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Speaker 1: I mean that's what they said, and they love ste

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Speaker 1: Kuon Barkley, but they were essentially saying they didn't think

427
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Speaker 1: Sam Donald was was a guy or the guy. They mean,

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Speaker 1: how's that going to look three years from now? I

429
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Speaker 1: get Sequon Barkley is an all time so he doesn't

430
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Speaker 1: want to force it and maybe he doesn't like any

431
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Speaker 1: of these free agents and keep the fans happy with

432
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Speaker 1: another five and eleven seasons. Uh. Finally, in the news

433
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Speaker 1: um before the season, I spoke of my ultimate dream

434
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Speaker 1: of every team in the league going eight and eate.

435
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Speaker 1: Extreme parody is what you would call it. Uh, And

436
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Speaker 1: that everyone's happy. Then, like Mark, you just had a

437
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Speaker 1: seven eight in one season, a lot of fun. I

438
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Speaker 1: would have been happier with eight eight though to your

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Speaker 1: point there you go, well, guess what, this is the

440
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Speaker 1: first time in the history of the NFL since it

441
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Speaker 1: went to a sixteen game schedule. Uh, you know forty

442
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Speaker 1: some odd years ago that no one won and eight

443
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Speaker 1: I mean no one went eight and eight. Not only

444
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Speaker 1: did you not get your wish, it's almost as if

445
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Speaker 1: the football gods are just sort of up there laughing

446
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Speaker 1: at smiting me. Just unnecessary football gods. It's it's it's

447
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Speaker 1: sort of surprising because it was also a year where

448
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Speaker 1: overall the league was kind of crowded in the middle,

449
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Speaker 1: like it was. There weren't as many extreme records. There

450
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Speaker 1: was no team above thirteen wins, which is very rare,

451
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Speaker 1: and there was only two of those, and there were

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Speaker 1: no teams below three wins, and there was only one

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Speaker 1: of those right that the Cardinals. So it was everyone

454
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Speaker 1: was packed in the middle. I feel like everyone was

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Speaker 1: very even this year. You would have expected a lot

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Speaker 1: of eight. I'm really disappointed. And finally in the news

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Speaker 1: and now another edition of Keeping Up a Bowing Yes.

458
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Speaker 1: The German Man tight end Mourts bow Ringer bouncing around

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Speaker 1: the league. He's looking for a home, he's looking for

460
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Speaker 1: a shot. Moved from wide receiver to tight end. On Monday,

461
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Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals signed five players. Tight end Maurits Bowringer,

462
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Speaker 1: safety Demetrius Cox, center Brad lundblade tight end Andrew Volarette,

463
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Speaker 1: Vlaurette Volert and White and wide receiver Kermit Whitfield to

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Speaker 1: reserve future contracts. And that was another addition of keeping

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Speaker 1: up with both. All right, let's get to the mailbag.

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Speaker 1: A lot to dig in too, because this is that mark.

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Speaker 1: This is the fun time of year, isn't it. I

468
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 1: enjoyed the summer year. A lot of teams have to

469
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Speaker 1: look in the mirror and say, we suck. We need

470
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Speaker 1: to do some things differently. Um, we suck so much

471
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Speaker 1: that we've fired a lot of people and need to

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Speaker 1: find better people to do a better job next time

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Speaker 1: speaking in the mirror. Tomorrow Thursday is our wild Card

474
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Speaker 1: preview podcast, and it's gonna be real fun because not

475
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Speaker 1: only were we gonna break down uh for really fun games,

476
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Speaker 1: but we're coming down the stretch of our picks mark

477
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Speaker 1: on a historic winning streak up to eleven straight. I

478
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Speaker 1: believe maybe it's ten. I thought it was eleven. Then

479
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Speaker 1: a one game lead on West, the two game lead

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Speaker 1: on myself and Greg who's hotter than Matt Lower in

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Speaker 1: the NBC picks back as one I think involved. I mean,

482
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Speaker 1: why do we need to now it's now? You went

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Speaker 1: too far? That would insult the sanctity of some of

484
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Speaker 1: the Great Picks TV competitions over the years. Matt lower business, Okay, sorry,

485
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Speaker 1: I apologize, all right. So we asked you, the listeners

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Speaker 1: to send in some questions. Uh, well, we were talking

487
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Speaker 1: about Antonio Brown. If Antonio Brown were to be traded,

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Speaker 1: where to Eric Jensen asks, could the Jets pull it off?

489
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Speaker 1: There is this wild scenario where year two of the

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Speaker 1: Sam Donald experience has an offensive minded head coach that

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Speaker 1: I could believe in, and then Levy on Bell in

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Speaker 1: the backfield and Antonio Brown on the outside, with Robbie

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Speaker 1: Anderson on the other side, Chris Burned in a tight

494
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Speaker 1: end and Improve a first round pick on the offensive line,

495
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Speaker 1: and the Jets are scoring thirty points a game? What

496
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Speaker 1: could go wrong by repairing Bell and Brown with the Jets?

497
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Speaker 1: Like probably every day you could think that could It's

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Speaker 1: funny you say that, but because you're absolutely right, it's

499
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Speaker 1: probably a terrible idea. But I would sign off on

500
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Speaker 1: it in a second. One of them would be nice.

501
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 1: It is funny that the Jets are kind of the

502
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Speaker 1: first team that everyone attacked matches in these situations. But

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Speaker 1: I think it makes sense because of the cap space,

504
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Speaker 1: because of the ownership and because of kind of the

505
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Speaker 1: desperation he could the Steelers do something like trade him

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Speaker 1: somewhere he absolutely does not want to go. Does he

507
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Speaker 1: have does he have final say over such the trade?

508
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Speaker 1: You could send him deep into the nether world. Doesn't

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Speaker 1: have much say. I mean, he could make it clear

510
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Speaker 1: and make it terrible, but he doesn't. He's not something

511
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Speaker 1: where he needs a new contract, So I think they

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Speaker 1: can send him where they want. All right, Uh, let's

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Speaker 1: throw one out. Did they ever answer that's it? What

514
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Speaker 1: the Jets makes sense to me? Well, no team in

515
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: the league has more cap space, right than the Cults.

516
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 1: How about the Cults get Antonio Brown and Levy on Bell.

517
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Speaker 1: That's not going to fit their culture? What's like keep

518
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Speaker 1: them away from my boys. I've heard Chris Ballard speak before,

519
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: and I don't think there's any chance he's trying. Does

520
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: feel like Mike mccagnan move send him to the desert?

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Speaker 1: The Cardinals? Ouch? Uh? This from Russell Wilson's deep ball.

522
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Speaker 1: What is the defining NFL game for each of you?

523
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Speaker 1: I'll start Monday Night Football Rams Chiefs, not just because

524
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Speaker 1: of the outrageous nature of the game. In final um,

525
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: double fifty burger and all that. But how the NFL

526
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 1: kind of very quickly shifted almost immediately after that suspiciously

527
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:32,439
Speaker 1: so uh and and swung back to defense winning games

528
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Speaker 1: in the Baltimore Ravens rise, I just thought that was

529
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Speaker 1: funny how it went from well, this is the future,

530
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Speaker 1: this is the league. Now we're arena football, and then

531
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, like defense said whoa slow down

532
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 1: running games said hey, hey we have a we have

533
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Speaker 1: a voice. Think was still drying on the two thousand

534
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Speaker 1: think pieces that came out after that Chiefs Rams game,

535
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Speaker 1: and for that reason, and it could flip again next

536
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Speaker 1: two weeks. I the word defining makes me jump off

537
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Speaker 1: years and have a similar answer, But it's Ravens chief

538
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Speaker 1: because that to me was the game of kind of

539
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Speaker 1: the contrast of what ended up happening in the money

540
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Speaker 1: time of the season and was me to me, the

541
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Speaker 1: most fascinating game of the year to see that that

542
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Speaker 1: study and contrast Lamar Jackson kind of representing this rookie

543
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Speaker 1: quarterback class two who finished off so strong, and the Chiefs,

544
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Speaker 1: I guess are in both these games because to me

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Speaker 1: they are kind of the defining team of the year.

546
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Speaker 1: I know they didn't end up with the very best record,

547
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: but they were the most compelling and they were kind

548
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,199
Speaker 1: of the one representing what was going on. And but

549
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 1: the Ravens, We're so fascinating that matchup of just the

550
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Speaker 1: clash of styles and how good it was, and it

551
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Speaker 1: might be the most memorable moment. That are that the

552
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Speaker 1: m v P pet mahomes head. I think those are

553
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: both excellent answers, and I agree. I would say the

554
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: highest level of football was played between the Saints and Rams. MHM.

555
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: For me, it's funny. The Saints Steelers was another one

556
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Speaker 1: I thought about. That was such a good game. That's

557
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Speaker 1: that's definitely top three for me. I would go, and

558
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Speaker 1: this is more personal, but when Cleveland beat the j

559
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Speaker 1: in Week three, I'm sorry, Dan, there's nothing to do

560
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: with the jail. It was, but it was the rise

561
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: of Baker Mayfield. It got rid of a lot of

562
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: ghosts and you kind of could feel the tide turning

563
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: for a Browns team that had been such a laughing

564
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Speaker 1: stock for so long. Jets Broncos in Week five, that

565
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: was also a pretty good A lot of people weak

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Speaker 1: for the Broncos. All Right, here's another question. Uh, this

567
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Speaker 1: is from Leonard len Shoals. Are the Texans with their

568
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Speaker 1: week offensive line a true contender? I'm gonna spin off

569
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Speaker 1: this a little bit. You guys can talk about Houston's

570
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Speaker 1: offensive line if you wish. But is there a team

571
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Speaker 1: in the mix that you give no chance to win

572
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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl? No, this is one year. I think

573
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Speaker 1: all twelve have have a chance. But if you had

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Speaker 1: to rank them, who would be number of Cowboys would

575
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Speaker 1: be twelve for me, Texans would be twelve for me.

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Speaker 1: I think all the a f C would be higher

577
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Speaker 1: up for me than than the Eagles and the Cowboys,

578
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Speaker 1: and probably even the Seahawks, because I think all those

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Speaker 1: a FC teams have an even better chance than that

580
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Speaker 1: an NFC want to make it. Yeah, I think the

581
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Speaker 1: Saints and Rams make the lower echelon wild card NFC

582
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: team is less probable, But you have the Eagles ahead

583
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: of the Cowboys. No, those two would be kind of

584
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: at at the bottom, especially because the Eagles tough draw

585
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Speaker 1: if they had to do it. I don't think that

586
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: the Bears were not winning the Super Bowl. Sorry, I

587
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: know I'm not a I think I really do think

588
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: this is one of those years and they're going to

589
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: they're going to drop a bomb on someone in the

590
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Speaker 1: wild card round and then get knocked out the next week.

591
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: And I've been saying that for two months. A team

592
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Speaker 1: has not made it to the super Bowl from the

593
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Speaker 1: wild card round since the Ravens, which is wild because

594
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Speaker 1: at that point, I think one had made it every

595
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Speaker 1: year for about five six straight years, and many of

596
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Speaker 1: them one of them most years for a while. And

597
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: I don't think it means anything, but I just think

598
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: it's been too long since we've had some of these

599
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Speaker 1: some of these teams playing this weekend. We're due, We're

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00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: overdue to have them make it. This is the year

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Speaker 1: that happened. Mark, Why don't you throw one out there?

602
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: He just wanted from Trevor Crawling. He asked if more

603
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: teams need to get their act together, operate as the

604
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: Patriots do and make the head coach the g M.

605
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Speaker 1: Do we need more of that? Do we need less

606
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Speaker 1: of that? Craig? You answer, well, there's only a couple

607
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: of teams that do it this. I don't even know.

608
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: Is there any other team really other than Andy Reids

609
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: sort of his like Belichick. There's Pete Carroll sort of

610
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: like Belichick. No, I don't think teams more teams like

611
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: a lot of coaches, almost need less power. Very liberal

612
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: with the connecting of getting your act together and installing.

613
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: That was actually my word. Trevor Crawling did not say

614
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Speaker 1: get their act together right through. There's only so many

615
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: Bill Belichicks. I mean the Raiders are doing it. John

616
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: Gruen really runs that. And I think Hirne mcmack was

617
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: kind of a sign because Mike Mayock's not a traditional

618
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: he's not a general manager that's managing entire huge staff.

619
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Speaker 1: He's a personnel guy. Cardinals just offered it to Mike McCarthy.

620
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Speaker 1: He didn't want it. Belichick is doing a little bit

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Speaker 1: better than John Gruden in that. Nathan Sherry last question,

622
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Speaker 1: the Eagles word of trade, Carson Wentz. What would they

623
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Speaker 1: get in return? Multiple first round picks, maybe three, and

624
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: a player to be named Darren Sprawls. These Eagles fans,

625
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: give me a break. They gotta con down. All right,

626
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: there you go, there's the mailback. Finally, Uh, let's go

627
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: through our regular season sandwich props. Round it up. See

628
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Speaker 1: how everyone did. We'll start with Chris Westling You ready, West,

629
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Speaker 1: But let's do it. Uh, Sam Donald does not start

630
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Speaker 1: start week one for the Jets, and um, Greg took

631
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: you up on that, and Greg got Adrian Peterson rushes

632
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: for more yards than any thirty three year old running

633
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: back in history. This was a clean sweep, three three sandwiches,

634
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: and it was a little bit devious. And I respect

635
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: you for it, Wes, because John Riggins is the oldest

636
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: running back to ever. Uh. Yes, it was not devious,

637
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: said he did talk about it. Try to you a compliment,

638
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: not a compliment for me. It is it was a

639
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: little devious, and in a great way because it wasn't

640
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: the best season ever buy an old running back. Uh,

641
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: that is Riggo. But Rigo did it at thirty four

642
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: and you said specifically thirty three. So in this instance,

643
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: being more narrow worked and it was very It was

644
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: very tight. I'm just looking because I'm like, didn't Gore

645
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: top a thousand at thirty three? And he did? Peterson

646
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: got him by seventeen yards. So it came down to

647
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: those last couple of runs there. West, Well, how about that? Well,

648
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: you feel good that you took out Gore. Even if

649
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: I lost this one, I feel fine because Peterson would

650
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: have had about twelve or thirteen hundred yards. If the

651
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: entire offense didn't get injured out before. He had a

652
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,479
Speaker 1: great year. I think he earned himself a job next year, right,

653
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: Someone's got to give him a job. He'll be sitting

654
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: there in June, late July looking for a team again.

655
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: A member of the two thousand seventeen draft class will

656
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: lead the league and interceptions thrown? Who was who was

657
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: in the seventeen class? Mitch Drabinski did, Shaun Watson, Patrick Mahomes.

658
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 1: I think Donald actually led the league with fifteen, which

659
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 1: is not a lot for a lead league leader. If

660
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: you want to look at one stat that really point

661
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 1: at point Rothlisberger had more, didn't he? I think I

662
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: think Donald might have led the league. I thought I

663
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: read that this week, and and then the total was Rathlisberger.

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Speaker 1: Well there you go. Never mind, but just by one more,

665
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: you're right, sixteen. It is. It's funny like everyone goes

666
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: crazy when quarterbacks throw interceptions now, like oh what a

667
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: terrible play, like he blew it. And it's shocking how

668
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: many fewer interceptions quarterbacks throw than even eight years ago.

669
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: It's so much less. No one throws interceptions hard to

670
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 1: intercept the bubble screen. Right, that's fair. Baker Mayfield wins

671
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: Rookie of the Month more often than Sam Donald. Donald

672
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: didn't do anything against the Patriots, which I think is

673
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 1: going to cost me. So I think you're going to

674
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: get a sandwich off me. There was so right now

675
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: you're five and seven. There was also because I thought

676
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: Donald's best game that was the week he could have

677
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: run one Rookie of the Week and they gave it

678
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 1: to Baker Mayfield that week as well, which was I

679
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: don't know how these things. Darne is definitely not getting

680
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: it for December now. I don't think yeah year, it's

681
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: a six and seven less. We're all around, all right,

682
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler, you have the of course, the iconic um

683
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns New York Jets prediction. Do you want me to?

684
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: I think we should read it the best. What what

685
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: is listening here? On the go get my lunch dot

686
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 1: org site. Week three, Gang Green will hop out to

687
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: at least a ten point lead. The Thursday night football

688
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 1: talking heads will crow over Sam Darnald, while the Browns

689
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,720
Speaker 1: look like the Sitting Duck in primetime, same old story.

690
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: Dan and Mark will go silent on the podcast group

691
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: text thread Gregg and West follows suit, knowing this game

692
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,479
Speaker 1: could fracture the group for a thousand generations. Always looking

693
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,280
Speaker 1: good for the plucky one in one Jets until Baker

694
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: Mayfield enters the game, dealing with at least a ten

695
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: point deficit and time ticking away. Mayfield battles through some

696
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: ups and downs to baffle the Jets defense and route

697
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: to a rousing comeback that serves as the opening chapter

698
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: and a rivalry that sees Donald and Baker are going

699
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,439
Speaker 1: punch for punch and some of the biggest a fc

700
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: SO showdowns in conference history. While the Patriots begin of

701
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,919
Speaker 1: fourteen years streak of missing the playoffs. You probably should

702
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,919
Speaker 1: have just ended it a little soon. Well, it would

703
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: be dishonest. I think you guys gave me that last

704
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: little part of it just for just in the spirit

705
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: of it. Yes, because that was amazing, Which is why

706
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: when you go over and over about the Philly Ordinary,

707
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,479
Speaker 1: you won't let that one go. I saw your little

708
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: tweet about the Philly Ordinary, and you know what, You're

709
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: just on the wrong side of history and everyone knows it.

710
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: And at this point I just accepted the fact that

711
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: you're in You're so off, how many teams are running

712
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: the Philly Special now, I think every team essentially. How

713
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: many teams are making helmet catches. I've never actually someone

714
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: sent me like a ten minute mash up of like

715
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,479
Speaker 1: eighteen helmet catches that have happened in the last since

716
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 1: that Super They're like all in college football. No, they're

717
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: all pro. Every single one of them are NFL Helmet

718
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: catches happens all the time. At least one game will

719
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: be relocated due to weather, natural disaster, or massive unrest.

720
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: I recused myself from this, but Mark was given sandwiches

721
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: there and neither Greg West or Dan will win the

722
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: lock it Up challenge. Three sandwiches on the line here

723
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: um for Mark, and right now he has a lead

724
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: sandwiches on this Mark, you you're almost you're just weeks

725
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: away from your worst nightmare. A bunch of sandwiches. I

726
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 1: know I might have to start picking the cowboys in

727
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: this playoff thing. Here food like extra food. This is

728
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: chasing the prize. I absolutely do not want. So you're

729
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: you're at seven and four, but it could get even better.

730
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,479
Speaker 1: It could be an all time week. Greg six and eight.

731
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: Alex Smith will have a better season. The Kirk cousins,

732
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 1: Mark and West took you up and that no one

733
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: had a worst season, you could say, than Alex Smith

734
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 1: in the entire league, well even before he got in jeared.

735
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: This was a major l one of I think it's

736
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: one of Greg's most bizarre, like all offseason long stances

737
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: that Alex Smith was gonna come here. I thought the

738
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: Redskins offense was gonna be exciting. I think I had

739
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: them as a borderline playoff team although they were in position.

740
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: The crazy thing was they were six and three before

741
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 1: all those injuries really hit. But Alex Smith was a

742
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: big disappointment even before the injury. Jaguars won't make the playoffs.

743
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: You got that right, market West took you up on

744
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: that one, So you got two sayings were that I

745
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: stayed away from that on the Bordles theory, and that

746
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: worked out for me. Eli Manning won't be the starting

747
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 1: quarterback for the Giants by week seventeen. Look good around

748
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: week eight, but it did look real good. Uh Dan

749
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 1: and Marcott Sandwiches. West did not take Greg up on that,

750
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: and uh he will probably this quarterback week one. That's

751
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: my prediction as well. On the other side of the calendar,

752
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: but we shall see. Uh, I am seven and six.

753
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: Sam Donald doesn't start Week one for the Jets. I

754
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: bought into offseason fluff pieces about Josh McCown Mark got

755
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 1: a sandwich offering their KAI four Bath is on an

756
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 1: active roster during Week three. Greg, I like mine are

757
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: very hyper specific to things I like and the things

758
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: I need to Greg got a sandwich there. If Kai

759
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: did end up materializing with the team, I believe in

760
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: week sixteen, though, UH, three of the following will occur

761
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: for the Bengals. Andy Dalton goes under thirty eight hundred

762
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: ding yards a J Green under eleven hundred yards receiving ding,

763
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: John Ross under five touchdowns. John Ross, I don't know

764
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: if you looked at his stats, he had like eleven

765
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 1: catches and seven touchdowns. Okay, so that was wrong. That

766
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: was wrong. That was not a ding that was under

767
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: nine and a half wins, and they went well under that,

768
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: although they were five and two at one point, Uh,

769
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 1: they finished what six and ten? Well, you were saved

770
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: by injuries. Dalton probably would have been right around there,

771
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: so that would have decided it for you. That was

772
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: great Dalton then, but that's good. You can un somebody

773
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: on injury. He's is a nice way to go. But

774
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: you guys, uh, you guys cost me. I got I

775
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: got sand just from Greg and Mark. And then finally

776
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 1: Patriots will not have a first round buying the playoffs.

777
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: Greg and West made sandwiches off me. I'm so angry

778
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: about that. It was so close. Uh well, I'm making

779
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: a lot of sandwich about Jimmy Graham. Will as the

780
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: season goes along, I throw different ones out and it

781
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: gets added on because h uh, Nick Fortier does an

782
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: amazing job, and go get my lunch. Jimmy Graham will

783
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: have less than seven yards receiving bam. He finished with

784
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: about six fifty. Greg Mark West all over me sandwiches.

785
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: I never bought into Graham. I don't know why I

786
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 1: took you on that, because that seems like he last

787
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: year with the Seahawks, because I tracked him really closely

788
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: from fantasy he just wasn't moving well. And that it

789
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: continued this year and Bruce arians will become the next

790
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: Browns head coach. Greg Greg who's in the driver's seat

791
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: on that one, because it sounds like when Bruce now

792
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: has opened up the bucks, is that also possible? It's

793
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 1: almost like, well, the Browns don't want me. They got

794
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 1: a scheduled interview with him to start. It's not it's

795
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 1: not looking good there for this. But I'm seven and

796
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: six right now, possible, so they haven't scheduled an interview

797
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: with the area. I kept thinking that there's still a

798
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: decent chance because he's kind of like the way to

799
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: keep kitchens in place. We'll see, we shall see. It's

800
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: not over yet. All right, there you go. So yes,

801
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 1: we'll be back on um Thursday. Thursday, we'll have another

802
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: show going up, previewing wild Card weekend, a lot of

803
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,959
Speaker 1: fun um as we head towards January. Football the best

804
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: time of year. These are the best two weeks of

805
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: the year for me. I love wild Card weekend. I

806
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: love Divisional playoff weekend. Good football. What about championship weekend?

807
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,280
Speaker 1: That's fun as well. And it's the stakes are obviously,

808
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: but it's just the sign with a Saturday Sunday. It's

809
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: just good. It's not overwhelming. Everybody else is in an

810
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: urn or in a box. That's good. That's it. Dan

811
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: Hands is signing off four Quiet Storm, mail Man, the

812
00:41:55,200 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: Old Boss, and Ricky Hollywood Behind the Glass. Ricky Hollywood

813
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: behind my glass still Thursday, m HM