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Speaker 1: Hi, Welcome back to the Carol Marcowitz show him Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: My guest today is political commentator at Preger You Franklin

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Speaker 1: to Marco. Hi, Franklin, So nice to have you on.

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Speaker 2: Hi, thank you for having me. So happy to chat

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Speaker 2: with you.

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Speaker 1: So we met at an event a few months ago,

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Speaker 1: a Pregger You event, which I love Preger You. I

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Speaker 1: love Dennis Prager, I love everything Prager You does. And

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Speaker 1: I heard that you were born in Venezuela and you

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Speaker 1: were working at Preger You as a political commentator. Could

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Speaker 1: you have picked a better time to be doing this? Like,

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Speaker 1: do you feel like you hit the exact right spot

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Speaker 1: in America to be talking about socialism?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I did. You know, it's actually perfect timing. It's

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Speaker 2: very concerning, of course, but it's perfect timing. You know,

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Speaker 2: when I first arrived to the US, I had to

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Speaker 2: escape Venezuela for because I was being persecuted. I was

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Speaker 2: accused of being a terrorist. Of course I was not,

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Speaker 2: and I was granted asylum during the first from a

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Speaker 2: ministrl administration. When I first arrived, you know, my first

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Speaker 2: thought was I'm in America. You know, I love this country.

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Speaker 2: I'm free. I need socialism. You know, I I destrated.

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Speaker 2: I left it behind. Now I only have to focus

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Speaker 2: on my career. I like politics, I like talking about this.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to college. But I'm so glad that I'm

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Speaker 2: going to be in a country where people embrace freedom,

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Speaker 2: embrace American values, and they're going to reject socialism always

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Speaker 2: my kids, they're not going to have to deal with

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Speaker 2: the things that I had to deal growing up in Venezuela. Right. Yeah, Well,

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Speaker 2: I had been here for a few months and actually

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Speaker 2: the fourth of July was approaching and I was working

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Speaker 2: at a fast food restaurant as a this washer because

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Speaker 2: back then I didn't speak English, so I was just

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Speaker 2: in the kitch musical translator and to communicate myself as

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Speaker 2: good as I could. And I was able to talk

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Speaker 2: to a girl and I was asking her in a

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Speaker 2: very bad English, wars none now, now your English is great,

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Speaker 2: thank you? And I was asking, what are you going

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Speaker 2: to do on the fourth of July? What are you doing?

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Speaker 2: I was excited it was my first time. And she

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Speaker 2: said nothing because I hate America. And I was like,

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Speaker 2: I didn't really understand. Why would someone who is young,

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Speaker 2: who have freedom, who have so many opportunities and blessings here.

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Speaker 2: Why would someone like her hate America? Well, later I

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Speaker 2: learned that actually young people or a lot of young

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Speaker 2: people here embrace socialist ideas. They reject American values, they

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Speaker 2: reject free speech, they don't like capitalism. And you know,

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Speaker 2: when we take a look at what's going on right

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Speaker 2: that actually socialism is in fact a threat. So, and

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Speaker 2: I'm a prager. You what a better way to give

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Speaker 2: back to this country that gave me freedom, that saved

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Speaker 2: my life? Literally? What was way to pay that back

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Speaker 2: than to explain to young people in what's so socialism

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Speaker 1: So you're sitting for people who are listening to this

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Speaker 1: on audio. He's sitting in front of a sign that

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Speaker 1: says capitalism makes, socialism takes How do you explain that

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Speaker 2: Yes, so this is very simple. Right. Socialism is an

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Speaker 2: ideology that wants to control the means of production. And

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Speaker 2: people generally think that just nationalizing big industries and big businesses.

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Speaker 2: But it's gonna take your money too, and it's gonna

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Speaker 2: go after you. My family went from being a middle

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Speaker 2: class family a small business owner. My dad had a

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Speaker 2: small makeup store in a mole, and we went from

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Speaker 2: a family that was coming to the US on vacation.

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Speaker 2: and actually that trip changed my life forever because it

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Speaker 2: concerned about food. And I'm not exaggerating. My dad lost

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Speaker 2: only for my brother and I. My parents sacrificed themselves

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Speaker 2: and my dad only had a small store, you know.

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Speaker 2: But the government was regulating prices. They destroyed the economy.

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Speaker 2: We had the highest inflation in the world for a

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Speaker 2: did to us. They took our money, they took our wealth,

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Speaker 2: they took our freedom, they took our happiness. And capitalism creates,

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Speaker 2: yes it does, and not because the government is going

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Speaker 2: to provide anything that you need for you. No, it

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Speaker 2: only gives you freedom and property right. So you with

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Speaker 2: work really hard. You have the right to pursue your

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Speaker 2: for a free society, but also for a moral society. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: because when we talk about socialism, pretty often we hear

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Speaker 2: it doesn't work, and that's completely right. It doesn't work

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Speaker 2: if you want prosperity, but it's also in moral because

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Speaker 2: it doesn't allow individuals to keep the fruits of their labor.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a very moral idea. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Your story really runs parallel to mine. My great

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Speaker 1: But you know, that's the beginning of the socialist journey.

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Speaker 1: When by the time it got to Venezuela, it kind

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Speaker 1: of looked different, but it had the same hallmarks of

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Speaker 1: destroying people's lives. But I was thinking, you're fairly young.

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Speaker 1: I think you're in your twenties, right. Yes, I had

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Speaker 1: visited Venezuela when I was a child before the revolution,

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Speaker 1: and it was really a wonderful place. We went to

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Speaker 1: But the revolution happened, what.

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Speaker 2: Year, nineteen ninety nine, ninety.

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Speaker 1: Nine, So you are not born or you're little when

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Speaker 1: you're not born yet. Sorry I'm not great at math,

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Speaker 1: So you're not born yet. So you had never seen

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Speaker 1: Venezuela that prospered. It was always a socialist country in

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Speaker 1: your life, right.

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Speaker 2: Yes, totally right. So when Chavis won the election nineteen

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Speaker 2: ninety nine, I was one year old, so yes, I was.

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Speaker 2: I had recently I was born, but I didn't actually

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Speaker 2: have any short memories. But it happened. But I grew

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Speaker 2: Just to put into perspective, Venezuela in the nineteen fifties,

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Speaker 2: had the fourth largest economy according to GDP. It was

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Speaker 2: you don't destroy a country just in two weeks, right.

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Speaker 2: So but I grew up in a country where, you know,

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Speaker 2: I always remember my mom telling me like, things are

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Speaker 2: I'm not politics. I want this, but they're doing something different.

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Speaker 2: It's more organized, it's cleaner, people are more successful. The

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Speaker 2: And then growing up getting a little bit hitting. As

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Speaker 2: about productive people, and they're gonna go after you. Because

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Speaker 2: rights start with yourself, start with your own body, because

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Speaker 2: So I said I have to do something, and I

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Speaker 2: So what did you do? So first I started to study.

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Speaker 2: My dad is an economist, so I read Annest Smith,

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Speaker 2: I read Milton Friedman, I read Ambrandt, which is one

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Speaker 2: and I did everything that you could think of, you know.

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Speaker 2: and I always explained, this is not just about removing dictatorship.

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Speaker 2: Know that Harvard is speech left the college. They have

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Speaker 2: held a press conference talking about my case, and they said, yes,

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Speaker 2: it is because he wanted to set our classrooms on fire.

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Speaker 2: He wanted to attack our professors, and he wanted to

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Speaker 2: and the right wing movements in Veezuela to attack to

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Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break and be right

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Speaker 1: back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. Were your parents dissuading

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Speaker 1: you at all from speaking out? Were they saying like,

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Speaker 1: this is just unsafe, please don't do this. Like my mom,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, from the Soviet Union, she didn't

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Speaker 1: like when I was writing anti Obama articles during his

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Speaker 1: why did she didn't like him or anything, But she

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Speaker 1: just was worried that me speaking out against Barack Obama

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Speaker 1: even a little bit worse.

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Speaker 2: Yes, totally. So my mom was concerned, especially about the

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Speaker 1: I love that. What advice would you give your sixteen

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Speaker 2: Do it. Be brave. It's gonna be worth it. You're

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Speaker 1: I love that, and I've loved this conversation. I think

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Speaker 2: Look, try to cure about yourself, think about yourself, and

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Speaker 2: This life is to be productive, it is to be happy.

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Speaker 2: It's to do what we like. And when you do

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Speaker 1: I love that, I love that individualism. Here is Franklin Camargo.

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Speaker 1: Check him out at prager. You thank you so much

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Speaker 2: Franklin, my pleasure. Thank you