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Speaker 2: On September thirtieth, nineteen ninety four, twenty year old Jared

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Speaker 2: he was always laughing and smiling, who had a mischievous

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Speaker 1: I've used this expression before. He was like light and

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Speaker 1: My mom called him like a little monkey because he

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Speaker 2: But his humor was always fun, never cruel. Shannon said

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Speaker 2: anything for a friend. Jared had a high IQ, Shannon said,

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Speaker 2: so their parents put him on Riddlin. Though the Riddlin

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Speaker 2: believed that it was stunning Jared's physical growth, which meant

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Speaker 2: ended up being held back a year at school. Even

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Speaker 2: though Jared eventually caught up physically and grew to be

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Speaker 2: High School in nineteen ninety three, and because he'd been

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Speaker 3: By the beginning of October, it was all over.

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Speaker 1: I'm just calling in for justice for Jared. You might

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Speaker 2: There was a group of us that already.

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Speaker 1: I'm calling in about the case of Jared Green. He

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Speaker 1: disappeared from Sarcy, Arkansas on September thirtieth, nineteen ninety four.

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Speaker 2: I had actually heard from Jared's sister, Shannon Green, a

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Speaker 1: It was not long after he graduated high school, when

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Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety four, Jared was living at home, working

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Speaker 1: Brandon was always like, he wasn't popular in school. He

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Speaker 1: What I've heard is that Brandon and rob claimed that

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Speaker 2: When Jared came back home after getting evicted, Shannon said

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Speaker 2: Shannon describes how her brother's life started to fall apart

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Speaker 2: That will become crucial later Jared asked his parents for help.

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Speaker 2: He told them that he needed to get out of town.

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Speaker 2: Then Shannon said, Jared did leave town for about a week. Now,

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Speaker 2: So he said, on October fifth, that's what he did.

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Speaker 1: That is not like him. He did not walk away

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Speaker 2: up a large quantity of drugs. He also said that

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00:25:04,125 --> 00:25:07,645
Speaker 2: he knew about the death. Jared had talked to his

436
00:25:07,725 --> 00:25:11,085
Speaker 2: dad about Brandon Wheeler and Robert Webb, so Jared's dad

437
00:25:11,085 --> 00:25:13,085
Speaker 2: told police the same thing. A lot of other people

438
00:25:13,165 --> 00:25:15,965
Speaker 2: said that Jared was scared of these guys. He said

439
00:25:16,005 --> 00:25:19,205
Speaker 2: Jared had told them a sort of cautionary tale about

440
00:25:19,245 --> 00:25:21,725
Speaker 2: another guy who owed Brandon and Robert a lot of

441
00:25:21,765 --> 00:25:24,925
Speaker 2: money and couldn't pay it back. Jared told his father

442
00:25:25,165 --> 00:25:28,205
Speaker 2: that this person who owed the debt had been kidnapped

443
00:25:28,205 --> 00:25:32,125
Speaker 2: and blindfolded and taken to a remote location and basically

444
00:25:32,205 --> 00:25:37,005
Speaker 2: been beaten and tortured. Eventually, Jared said that person was released.

445
00:25:38,765 --> 00:25:41,645
Speaker 2: I've gone through some of the case file documents that

446
00:25:41,685 --> 00:25:44,645
Speaker 2: Shannon shared with me. I can't share everything, but with

447
00:25:44,765 --> 00:25:47,485
Speaker 2: her permission, I'm going to go back through the events

448
00:25:47,525 --> 00:25:50,605
Speaker 2: that followed September thirtieth, nineteen ninety four, the day when

449
00:25:50,685 --> 00:25:53,885
Speaker 2: Jared went missing. I would invite Helen Gone listeners to

450
00:25:54,005 --> 00:25:56,365
Speaker 2: listen closely because there are a lot of names here.

451
00:25:56,965 --> 00:26:00,325
Speaker 2: We're going to move away from Jared and his family

452
00:26:01,045 --> 00:26:04,365
Speaker 2: and go to North Little Rock to try and figure

453
00:26:04,365 --> 00:26:07,485
Speaker 2: out what was going on with Brandon Wheeler and Robert

454
00:26:07,485 --> 00:26:11,645
Speaker 2: Webb around the time when Jared went missing. On November ninth,

455
00:26:11,725 --> 00:26:13,885
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four. I can see from these case file

456
00:26:13,925 --> 00:26:16,525
Speaker 2: notes that one of the officers from the task force

457
00:26:16,645 --> 00:26:19,285
Speaker 2: was interviewing people connected to the house that Brandon and

458
00:26:19,365 --> 00:26:22,965
Speaker 2: rob were renting together in North Little Rock. In my opinion,

459
00:26:23,485 --> 00:26:26,085
Speaker 2: I think that that house is key to this case.

460
00:26:26,965 --> 00:26:31,045
Speaker 2: The officers talked to a woman named Becky Alston, the housekeeper. Now,

461
00:26:31,165 --> 00:26:34,685
Speaker 2: what she had to say was very interesting to me, because,

462
00:26:34,765 --> 00:26:37,565
Speaker 2: as many of you might know, I really think that

463
00:26:37,605 --> 00:26:42,405
Speaker 2: people who clean someone's houses are definitely clued into a

464
00:26:42,445 --> 00:26:45,925
Speaker 2: lot of their darkest secrets. Becky had only been doing

465
00:26:45,925 --> 00:26:49,165
Speaker 2: that job for a couple months. Robert Webb and Brandon

466
00:26:49,165 --> 00:26:51,885
Speaker 2: Wheeler rented that house from their landlord, a guy named

467
00:26:51,925 --> 00:26:55,445
Speaker 2: Larry Williford and North Little Rock. They asked their landlord

468
00:26:55,445 --> 00:26:57,485
Speaker 2: if he knew of any good housekeepers, and he was

469
00:26:57,525 --> 00:27:00,405
Speaker 2: the one who recommended Becky. At the time, this seemed

470
00:27:00,445 --> 00:27:03,165
Speaker 2: like a win win for both parties. The guys got

471
00:27:03,325 --> 00:27:06,245
Speaker 2: a good housekeeper at a very reasonable right, and for

472
00:27:06,325 --> 00:27:10,325
Speaker 2: the landlord it's probably reassuring a trusted housekeeper can kind

473
00:27:10,325 --> 00:27:12,565
Speaker 2: of keep an eye on the property and also make

474
00:27:12,605 --> 00:27:15,805
Speaker 2: sure that two young guys living there won't completely trash it.

475
00:27:16,525 --> 00:27:19,125
Speaker 2: Becky charged seventy five dollars a week, and she said

476
00:27:19,245 --> 00:27:22,125
Speaker 2: Brandon and Robert would always give her a tip. Typically

477
00:27:22,125 --> 00:27:24,525
Speaker 2: they would give her one hundred dollars, always in cash.

478
00:27:25,245 --> 00:27:27,645
Speaker 2: Becky said she had a good relationship with these guys.

479
00:27:27,885 --> 00:27:30,765
Speaker 2: She said Brandon and Robert were always very cordial and

480
00:27:30,845 --> 00:27:34,285
Speaker 2: nice to her, But they were in an odd situation

481
00:27:35,205 --> 00:27:39,245
Speaker 2: because two very young guys. Remember Robert Webb was only

482
00:27:39,325 --> 00:27:42,405
Speaker 2: seventeen or eighteen years old, a senior in high school

483
00:27:42,405 --> 00:27:44,285
Speaker 2: at the time when all this was going down. With

484
00:27:44,485 --> 00:27:47,165
Speaker 2: a pile of cash would raise a lot of red flags.

485
00:27:48,245 --> 00:27:50,845
Speaker 2: The story that Brandon and Robert told their landlord and

486
00:27:50,965 --> 00:27:53,725
Speaker 2: Becky was that they were from wealthy families and they

487
00:27:53,725 --> 00:27:56,605
Speaker 2: were studying to be lawyers in Little Rock. But then,

488
00:27:56,645 --> 00:28:00,045
Speaker 2: of course Becky started to notice that Robert and Brandon

489
00:28:00,125 --> 00:28:02,845
Speaker 2: never seemed to go to class, so she kind of

490
00:28:02,885 --> 00:28:06,005
Speaker 2: was figuring out that their cover story wasn't true. This

491
00:28:06,045 --> 00:28:07,965
Speaker 2: is all, by the way, pretty much verbatim from the

492
00:28:08,045 --> 00:28:12,245
Speaker 2: investigative report from the case file. It was around August

493
00:28:12,325 --> 00:28:15,045
Speaker 2: or September of nineteen ninety four when Becky said things

494
00:28:15,045 --> 00:28:18,405
Speaker 2: were starting to change. She said that there was a

495
00:28:18,445 --> 00:28:21,725
Speaker 2: crawl space in the upstairs area where the guys would

496
00:28:21,765 --> 00:28:25,365
Speaker 2: throw dirty clothes in. She said sometimes she would get

497
00:28:25,405 --> 00:28:27,725
Speaker 2: into that crawl space to pull the dirty clothes out

498
00:28:27,725 --> 00:28:30,605
Speaker 2: so she could try to wash them, and when she did,

499
00:28:30,725 --> 00:28:35,845
Speaker 2: she found a stash of guns up there, she told police.

500
00:28:35,965 --> 00:28:38,685
Speaker 2: During this time, she was noticing more and more guns

501
00:28:38,725 --> 00:28:41,125
Speaker 2: which the guys were obsessed with. Apparently they would sit

502
00:28:41,165 --> 00:28:44,085
Speaker 2: around and watch videos of guns and people shooting all

503
00:28:44,125 --> 00:28:48,485
Speaker 2: the time, and not just hunting guns. These were things

504
00:28:48,525 --> 00:28:52,405
Speaker 2: like uzi's and semi automatic weapons, including one that Becky

505
00:28:52,445 --> 00:28:56,165
Speaker 2: said had a silencerr Now, we don't know what they

506
00:28:56,165 --> 00:28:59,725
Speaker 2: were doing with these guns, or whose they were, or

507
00:28:59,765 --> 00:29:01,525
Speaker 2: if they were planning to sell them or keep them

508
00:29:01,565 --> 00:29:04,445
Speaker 2: for that matter, but just using common sense, if a

509
00:29:04,445 --> 00:29:07,045
Speaker 2: gun has a silence on it, that's not something these

510
00:29:07,045 --> 00:29:09,005
Speaker 2: guys are going to use for deer honey.

511
00:29:09,885 --> 00:29:10,965
Speaker 3: Becky said that.

512
00:29:10,965 --> 00:29:15,485
Speaker 2: They always dressed very nicely, not like college kids. They

513
00:29:15,485 --> 00:29:19,525
Speaker 2: were wearing suits that looked expensive. She said they would

514
00:29:19,525 --> 00:29:23,085
Speaker 2: always carry concealed weapons when they left the house. There's

515
00:29:23,085 --> 00:29:26,285
Speaker 2: something else that's a little bit unusual here. Becky said

516
00:29:26,445 --> 00:29:29,845
Speaker 2: that she was the one who paid Brandon and Robert's

517
00:29:29,925 --> 00:29:33,205
Speaker 2: utility bills for them, the electricity bill, the phone bill,

518
00:29:33,365 --> 00:29:36,805
Speaker 2: the water, et cetera. Becky said typically the guys would

519
00:29:36,805 --> 00:29:39,165
Speaker 2: give her cash and she would make the actual payment.

520
00:29:40,245 --> 00:29:44,285
Speaker 2: From the interview with Becky, it seems like around September,

521
00:29:44,765 --> 00:29:47,565
Speaker 2: Robert and Brandon started to become a little bit quieter,

522
00:29:48,085 --> 00:29:52,925
Speaker 2: a little bit more paranoid. Both Robert and Brandon had

523
00:29:52,925 --> 00:29:56,125
Speaker 2: cell phones. Remember this was back in nineteen ninety four.

524
00:29:56,445 --> 00:29:58,965
Speaker 2: That was also something that was very unusual for a

525
00:29:59,005 --> 00:30:01,525
Speaker 2: teenager to have at the time. They also had a

526
00:30:01,605 --> 00:30:05,165
Speaker 2: landline phone. When Becky was discussing how paranoid they were

527
00:30:05,205 --> 00:30:08,485
Speaker 2: with the pl she said, every time the landline would ring,

528
00:30:09,005 --> 00:30:12,125
Speaker 2: they would look at the caller ID and then never answer.

529
00:30:12,805 --> 00:30:14,845
Speaker 2: Then they would call the person back and demand to

530
00:30:14,885 --> 00:30:16,925
Speaker 2: know who they were and why they were calling. It

531
00:30:17,005 --> 00:30:21,765
Speaker 2: was just a very paranoid atmosphere. Then another really odd

532
00:30:21,805 --> 00:30:26,365
Speaker 2: thing happened. In late September of nineteen ninety four. Becky

533
00:30:26,525 --> 00:30:29,165
Speaker 2: said that she was cleaning the apartment and she saw

534
00:30:29,205 --> 00:30:33,245
Speaker 2: a California driver's license with the name of Lance Wells,

535
00:30:33,805 --> 00:30:37,605
Speaker 2: but it had Robert Webb's picture on it. She said,

536
00:30:37,645 --> 00:30:40,205
Speaker 2: when she went back a few days later, the ID

537
00:30:40,605 --> 00:30:45,045
Speaker 2: was gone. At this point, I should back up and

538
00:30:45,045 --> 00:30:47,045
Speaker 2: we should explain a little bit more about what was

539
00:30:47,085 --> 00:30:49,645
Speaker 2: going on at the time with methamphetamines in the state

540
00:30:49,685 --> 00:30:54,245
Speaker 2: of Arkansas. At the time, meth was exploding in Arkansas

541
00:30:54,525 --> 00:30:56,685
Speaker 2: and around the South and the rest of the country.

542
00:30:57,365 --> 00:30:59,125
Speaker 2: A lot of the myth at the time was coming

543
00:30:59,165 --> 00:31:02,725
Speaker 2: from these super labs in California. They were controlled mainly

544
00:31:02,805 --> 00:31:06,365
Speaker 2: by the Mexican cartel In the earth only nineties, the

545
00:31:06,445 --> 00:31:09,765
Speaker 2: drug selling operations in Arkansas were evolving. According to a

546
00:31:09,845 --> 00:31:12,965
Speaker 2: report by the Department of Justice. Instead of drug dealers

547
00:31:13,205 --> 00:31:17,885
Speaker 2: using eighteen wheelers and these really elaborate operations, they started

548
00:31:17,965 --> 00:31:21,485
Speaker 2: using a lot of regular passenger cars that had hidden traps.

549
00:31:21,885 --> 00:31:23,965
Speaker 2: They would put the drugs in gas tanks or they

550
00:31:24,005 --> 00:31:27,605
Speaker 2: would have these hidden compartments. Then the dealers would use

551
00:31:27,645 --> 00:31:31,245
Speaker 2: regular people to transport the drugs from California to Arkansas

552
00:31:31,285 --> 00:31:36,405
Speaker 2: and beyond. So, thinking about these scenarios, Brandon and Robert

553
00:31:36,445 --> 00:31:40,525
Speaker 2: would definitely fit the bill. Two young, ordinary looking guys

554
00:31:40,565 --> 00:31:42,365
Speaker 2: who probably looked like they were on a road trip

555
00:31:42,565 --> 00:31:47,085
Speaker 2: would be the perfect people to carry these drugs. When

556
00:31:47,125 --> 00:31:50,365
Speaker 2: police were putting all this together, they showed Becky a

557
00:31:50,405 --> 00:31:53,685
Speaker 2: picture of Jared Green, and Becky said she recognized Jared.

558
00:31:54,405 --> 00:31:56,805
Speaker 2: She said she had seen him there in the apartment

559
00:31:56,845 --> 00:32:01,005
Speaker 2: with Brandon and Robert at least three different times. Becky said,

560
00:32:01,045 --> 00:32:02,805
Speaker 2: when Jared was at the house, and this is an

561
00:32:02,845 --> 00:32:07,485
Speaker 2: exact quote from the statement, she said, quote observed numerous

562
00:32:07,485 --> 00:32:09,525
Speaker 2: needle marks on his arm and stated that he was

563
00:32:09,525 --> 00:32:12,805
Speaker 2: wearing blue jeans and a short sleeved shirt. He appeared

564
00:32:12,805 --> 00:32:15,125
Speaker 2: to be very strung out and looking bad.

565
00:32:15,525 --> 00:32:19,005
Speaker 3: End quote. So we know that.

566
00:32:19,005 --> 00:32:23,125
Speaker 2: Jared Green owed Brandon Wheeler and Robert Webb money, potentially

567
00:32:23,125 --> 00:32:25,525
Speaker 2: a lot of money, and that these guys, according to police,

568
00:32:25,565 --> 00:32:29,485
Speaker 2: were drug dealers. But again, we have to go past

569
00:32:29,605 --> 00:32:32,245
Speaker 2: local rumor and we have to figure out exactly what

570
00:32:32,405 --> 00:32:34,845
Speaker 2: everyone was doing around the time Jared Green went missing.

571
00:32:35,565 --> 00:32:38,285
Speaker 2: And this is where the timeline gets very interesting. On

572
00:32:38,325 --> 00:32:41,445
Speaker 2: September twenty second, just over a week before Jared Green

573
00:32:41,445 --> 00:32:44,765
Speaker 2: went missing, Becky said, Brandon Wheeler told her he and

574
00:32:44,845 --> 00:32:47,285
Speaker 2: Robert Webb were leaving town. That they were going to

575
00:32:47,365 --> 00:32:49,725
Speaker 2: check on Robert's father, who they told her lived in

576
00:32:49,765 --> 00:32:53,725
Speaker 2: California and was really sick. Then, on the twenty seventh

577
00:32:53,725 --> 00:32:57,125
Speaker 2: of September, Robert contacted Becky again. He said they were

578
00:32:57,165 --> 00:32:59,605
Speaker 2: back in Little Rock. He asked if she could come

579
00:32:59,605 --> 00:33:01,965
Speaker 2: over and clean the house. On the twenty eighth, of September.

580
00:33:02,725 --> 00:33:04,925
Speaker 2: She went there on the twenty eighth and said neither

581
00:33:05,005 --> 00:33:08,605
Speaker 2: Brandon or Robert were home at the time. On September

582
00:33:08,605 --> 00:33:11,525
Speaker 2: twenty ninth, at around six am, Becky said she got

583
00:33:11,565 --> 00:33:15,005
Speaker 2: another call, this time from Brandon Wheeler. He asked her

584
00:33:15,005 --> 00:33:18,125
Speaker 2: to take care of their two dogs. Becky said that

585
00:33:18,245 --> 00:33:22,645
Speaker 2: this was not uncommon. Brandon Wheeler and Robert Webb had

586
00:33:22,725 --> 00:33:25,365
Speaker 2: two large dogs. When they were out of town. They

587
00:33:25,445 --> 00:33:28,965
Speaker 2: kept their dogs in the garage. Normally, when the guys

588
00:33:28,965 --> 00:33:31,445
Speaker 2: would take a trip, which normally they told her was

589
00:33:31,445 --> 00:33:33,925
Speaker 2: to California, they would ask her to come in and

590
00:33:33,925 --> 00:33:34,885
Speaker 2: give food and water.

591
00:33:34,765 --> 00:33:35,365
Speaker 3: To their dogs.

592
00:33:35,965 --> 00:33:39,325
Speaker 2: So presumably, if they're asking Becky to feed their animals

593
00:33:39,325 --> 00:33:41,845
Speaker 2: on September twenty ninth, they were making a plan to

594
00:33:41,925 --> 00:33:44,965
Speaker 2: leave town. Of course, we know September thirtieth, the next

595
00:33:45,045 --> 00:33:48,205
Speaker 2: days when Jared went missing, and after that day, Becky

596
00:33:48,245 --> 00:33:53,045
Speaker 2: said she never saw Brandon or Robert again. Becky also

597
00:33:53,165 --> 00:33:55,485
Speaker 2: described the atmosphere at that house. She said she would

598
00:33:55,485 --> 00:33:58,485
Speaker 2: see young women there, a lot young women who appeared

599
00:33:58,485 --> 00:34:01,085
Speaker 2: to be from around late teens to early twenties. She

600
00:34:01,125 --> 00:34:03,685
Speaker 2: said the guys would sit around and watch videos about guns,

601
00:34:03,725 --> 00:34:06,205
Speaker 2: which they seemed to be obsessed with and that she

602
00:34:06,245 --> 00:34:09,205
Speaker 2: saw other evidence of what could reasonably be construed to

603
00:34:09,205 --> 00:34:12,245
Speaker 2: be drug use, things like alcohol paths with drops of

604
00:34:12,245 --> 00:34:17,325
Speaker 2: blood on them. Police also talked to Larry Wilford, Robert

605
00:34:17,405 --> 00:34:22,405
Speaker 2: and Brandon's landlord. The landlord said that when they wanted

606
00:34:22,405 --> 00:34:24,845
Speaker 2: to become tenants, they gave him a similar story to

607
00:34:24,885 --> 00:34:27,565
Speaker 2: the one they'd given Becky. They said they went to

608
00:34:27,605 --> 00:34:29,645
Speaker 2: the University of Arkansas Little Rock, that they were going

609
00:34:29,685 --> 00:34:32,565
Speaker 2: to be lawyers. They were from San Francisco, California, and

610
00:34:32,605 --> 00:34:35,805
Speaker 2: they had wealthy parents. They wanted to pay in cash.

611
00:34:36,365 --> 00:34:39,325
Speaker 2: Larry agreed to rent these guys the house for eleven

612
00:34:39,365 --> 00:34:41,845
Speaker 2: hundred dollars a month, plus a fifteen hundred dollars deposit.

613
00:34:42,445 --> 00:34:44,845
Speaker 2: He did get a little suspicious because when he went

614
00:34:44,925 --> 00:34:47,405
Speaker 2: to do the tenantcy agreement, he wanted to talk to

615
00:34:47,485 --> 00:34:48,565
Speaker 2: Robert's parents.

616
00:34:48,965 --> 00:34:49,285
Speaker 3: He said.

617
00:34:49,325 --> 00:34:51,965
Speaker 2: When he drew up the tenancy agreement, he faxed it

618
00:34:52,005 --> 00:34:54,485
Speaker 2: over to someone who he was talking to, someone who

619
00:34:54,525 --> 00:34:58,005
Speaker 2: was claiming to be Robert Webb's father. But the landlord

620
00:34:58,045 --> 00:35:01,205
Speaker 2: said when he called that person back later with additional questions,

621
00:35:01,525 --> 00:35:03,685
Speaker 2: he said he was never able to contact them again.

622
00:35:04,245 --> 00:35:06,325
Speaker 2: So of course we can't be sit, but it seems

623
00:35:06,405 --> 00:35:09,725
Speaker 2: almost certain this was not Robert Webb's father. Much more

624
00:35:09,765 --> 00:35:12,565
Speaker 2: probably it was either Brandon or Robert or one of

625
00:35:12,565 --> 00:35:15,045
Speaker 2: their friends pretending to be his dad so they could

626
00:35:15,045 --> 00:35:17,965
Speaker 2: get into this apartment. I found something else on the

627
00:35:18,045 --> 00:35:20,205
Speaker 2: report that may or may not be interesting, but I

628
00:35:20,205 --> 00:35:24,205
Speaker 2: think is worth bringing up. So the landlord said Brandon

629
00:35:24,245 --> 00:35:27,605
Speaker 2: and Robert paid two thousand dollars to have the pool repaired.

630
00:35:28,085 --> 00:35:30,725
Speaker 2: They also had a satellite dish installed for around twenty

631
00:35:30,725 --> 00:35:33,845
Speaker 2: two hundred dollars. They only ended up staying at the

632
00:35:33,845 --> 00:35:36,725
Speaker 2: property for a few months, so I think the fact

633
00:35:36,765 --> 00:35:39,325
Speaker 2: that they put all this money into it right away

634
00:35:40,005 --> 00:35:44,125
Speaker 2: maybe should have been a red flag. The landlord said

635
00:35:44,365 --> 00:35:46,525
Speaker 2: that things seemed to be going well for a while

636
00:35:47,005 --> 00:35:50,845
Speaker 2: until late September. That's when the electricity got cut off

637
00:35:50,885 --> 00:35:54,605
Speaker 2: because Brandon and Robert hadn't paid their bill now around

638
00:35:54,605 --> 00:35:59,165
Speaker 2: that point, the landlord told police. Once the electricity got

639
00:35:59,165 --> 00:36:02,365
Speaker 2: cut off, and because they were all so late in

640
00:36:02,405 --> 00:36:04,565
Speaker 2: rent at that point, he started to get more concerned.

641
00:36:05,205 --> 00:36:08,765
Speaker 2: In the first week of October, Brandon and Robert came

642
00:36:08,805 --> 00:36:12,605
Speaker 2: to the landlord's house. They gave him a cashier's check,

643
00:36:12,685 --> 00:36:14,845
Speaker 2: for twenty two hundred dollars and said that was to

644
00:36:14,845 --> 00:36:18,125
Speaker 2: cover the rent for October and November. But at that

645
00:36:18,245 --> 00:36:20,845
Speaker 2: point something seemed to have unsettled the landlord and he

646
00:36:20,925 --> 00:36:22,885
Speaker 2: told them he was not going to rent to them anymore.

647
00:36:23,605 --> 00:36:25,725
Speaker 2: The next time the landlord said that he heard from

648
00:36:25,765 --> 00:36:28,445
Speaker 2: Robert was on October twenty first, when Robert called the

649
00:36:28,525 --> 00:36:31,405
Speaker 2: landlord to say that he and Brandon were moving out

650
00:36:31,445 --> 00:36:35,925
Speaker 2: and returning to California. Then the very next day, on

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Speaker 2: October twenty second, nineteen ninety four, police raced to the

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Speaker 2: just hours after Robert and Brandon were evicted, the house

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Speaker 2: next time on Helen Gone Murder Line. Helen Gone Murder

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Speaker 2: It's written and narrated by me Catherine Townsend and produced

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