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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal hell.

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Speaker 2: That for me, I'm a man, I'm forty.

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Speaker 3: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 3: Ato Steak, is that woo woom?

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Speaker 1: And then and tie.

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Speaker 3: Dan, I am not going to lie to you.

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Speaker 1: I am elated, elated, Yeah, to be doing this show

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Speaker 1: with you today. I am thrilled about this episode.

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Speaker 3: I like that it's tickling you right where you need

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Speaker 3: to be tickled, scratching you. You're where you're itch and

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Speaker 3: bringing on Scott Doctrman. As you know, you've seen the

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Speaker 3: title from The Athletic to talk about the Big ten

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Speaker 3: TV draft, maybe a little Big ten Playoff stuff as

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Speaker 3: the SEC is positioning itself with how it views the

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Speaker 3: playoff and the ideas it's looking for to to be

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Speaker 3: more solution oriented and the Big ten with Tony Pettiti

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Speaker 3: allegedly preferring or at least pitching the auto bid pitch

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Speaker 3: for the four plus four plus two plus two. So

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Speaker 3: right now we're at twelve four four two two one

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Speaker 2: There is it.

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Speaker 3: That's how we run.

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Speaker 2: Youve got to.

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Speaker 1: Memorize it then you can get it. I know for

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Speaker 1: shot I know Scott's been doing great work over at

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Speaker 1: the Athletic. He has written two articles now, you know,

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Speaker 1: over the last couple of weeks that have really drawn

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Speaker 1: our interests. The first go out and read it. We'll

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Speaker 1: link it up in the description here inside the Big

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Speaker 1: Tens TV Draft how Fox, NBC and CBS split up

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty five football schedule. So look, we come

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Speaker 1: at it from this perspective. We've been talking about the

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Speaker 1: TV side of this for generations now, or what feels

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Speaker 1: like generations.

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Speaker 3: Collash Mooball's a TV show, Colash.

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Speaker 1: Football's TV show, love it, hate it, despise it, whatever.

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Speaker 1: The fact that they have a draft, a draft to

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Speaker 1: pick which games are being played when and on which

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Speaker 1: network is fascinating, full stop, don't care what you think

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Speaker 1: of the fact that they are drafting these games is

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Speaker 1: of interest to anybody who grew up in the fantasy

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Speaker 1: football era. Yes, I am excited to talk to Scott

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Speaker 1: about this and find out what he's learned. Lord knows,

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Speaker 1: on this show, we've been drafted all sorts of weird

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Speaker 1: an actual game draft is definitely of importance. We're going

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Speaker 1: all that type of stuff. So we'll get into that

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Speaker 1: with Scott here momentarily. He also at time of recording,

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Speaker 1: we're recording this on Tuesday afternoon, late morning, he published

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Speaker 1: an article today why does the Big Ten want four

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Speaker 1: automatic college football playoff bids? The league's case has a

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Speaker 1: because of course that's very much in the news now

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Speaker 1: To bring them back to talk specifically about Iowa football.

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Speaker 3: Shall we dive right in and with that, it's our

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Speaker 3: pleasure to bring on the athletics Scott Doctorman, who has

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Speaker 3: So with that preamble, Scott, welcome back to the solid verbal.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm thrilled to be here, and at least I

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Speaker 3: Fair enough, Okay, so let's start here. You wrote a

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Speaker 2: Right, the Big Ten has probably the most unique television

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I bet if you're you know, NBC

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Speaker 2: Then four this year was NBC took Oregon Penn State,

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Speaker 3: That an alternating four. Do CBS and NBC alternate by

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, because like last year, it was CBS

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Speaker 2: or Fox fell down to five and still got what

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Speaker 2: So you know then and they already picked Michigan, Texas

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Speaker 2: And then there's so much strategy involved that I can

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Speaker 3: This, Oh yeah, fair enough. So okay, let's let's go there. Strategically, Obviously,

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Speaker 3: people are going to easily understand why Fox would prioritize

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Speaker 3: I think it is now.

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Speaker 3: So strategically you understand where that comes from. What's the

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'll start with let's go go with NBC. They're

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Speaker 2: good one for NBC. You know, we're not gonna say Fox,

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Speaker 2: cool if you left it lifted for NBC on this one.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm getting such big fantasy draft vibes from

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Speaker 2: Was there anything that.

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Speaker 1: Surprised you, Like I heard email as the primary medium

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that part did too, because you think of all

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Speaker 2: we're going to go email. That was a little strange,

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Speaker 3: Can't believe they sell to us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, we all do that in fantasy football every year.

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Speaker 2: You're like, oh, god, one, you know, and they're like, yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 2: We we were really frustrated visibly.

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Speaker 3: Is there a time limit, by the way on the picks? Like,

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Speaker 3: did they have to send an email within twenty minutes?

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Speaker 3: There was nothing, no limit.

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Speaker 2: No, there's no countdown, there's no clock, I asked. I said,

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Speaker 3: Agoah, you should be forced to auto draft Rutgers Minnesota

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Speaker 1: Yeah, an all time troll of a move.

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Speaker 2: There wasn't anything like that. And here's why, because once

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Speaker 2: So let's that and that's where they actually do their

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Speaker 2: I mean that makes sense. You know, you get wide

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Speaker 2: go oh man, we got stuck with a really bad

434
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Speaker 2: game and kind of like what Fox did.

435
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:44,479
Speaker 3: So as to say when you when you're saying, when

436
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,200
Speaker 3: you draft a weekend, it's at a certain point there

437
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 3: they own the right to prioritize a match up that weekend.

438
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 3: When when do they select? It's a two week window.

439
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:54,640
Speaker 3: When is the selection?

440
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 2: It's a twelve day and a six day Okay, you know,

441
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:02,200
Speaker 2: so they're all every week is given that twelve day priority,

442
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 2: but I believe it's twice per year that they could

443
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 2: wait until six days it to be like the Sunday morning,

444
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,119
Speaker 2: and that's predicated on the results on that Saturday. You know,

445
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,119
Speaker 2: you might get you know late in the year. You know,

446
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 2: there's a couple of games that really, you know, kind

447
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,679
Speaker 2: of stand out and you're thinking, you know, do we

448
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 2: want you know, like after the Ohio State Penn State result,

449
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 2: you know what, maybe Ohio State's undefeat and you're like, yeah,

450
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,879
Speaker 2: I know they're playing Perdue, but that's still Ohio State.

451
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 2: Or maybe Penn State pulls the upset and plays Indiana

452
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,440
Speaker 2: and that's our number one you just you want to

453
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,919
Speaker 2: wait until that result takes place. So I did. I

454
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 2: did ask specifically though, what were the games that really

455
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 2: caused you that ah moment and or the or the anguish?

456
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 2: And they were they said, we had them, but I'm

457
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 2: not going to tell you which ones they work. So

458
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:53,439
Speaker 2: of course that's gamesmanship, right, Yeah, yeah, exactly, Scott. With

459
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,199
Speaker 2: respect to the whole Big Noon thing, love it or

460
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 2: hate it, Fox has clearly made a brand out of it.

461
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 1: It is its own product. Now, everybody who follows college

462
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 1: football sort of knows what's going on in that world.

463
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 1: What do the other network people think of it? Because

464
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 1: as a fan, clearly we understand why it's frustrating. But

465
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 1: from a network perspective, as we've come to know now

466
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 1: these last five years or so, their view of the

467
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 1: college football world tends to be a bit warped and

468
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 1: through a different lens than the rest of us. Did

469
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 1: you get any commentary on that front?

470
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean from Fox they loved it. And the

471
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 2: reason why is it's fertile territory. We always kind of

472
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 2: grew up, especially a big ten country. It's like, all right,

473
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,400
Speaker 2: you've got you know, Beth Mowens and Pam War doing

474
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 2: the ESPN two game or you know you're got you

475
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 2: know it's perdue Northwestern and but the kind of the

476
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 2: Big ten mindset all these years was Moon is Week

477
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 2: two thirty was the Golden era, and then three or

478
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 2: four or five times you get that primetime game and

479
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 2: you're really excited about it. Well everything is completely changed.

480
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,120
Speaker 2: I mean all the windows are open. You know, you've

481
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 2: got FCS versus Big ten teams in prime time. But

482
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 2: when it comes to Big Noone in particular, Fox is

483
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,679
Speaker 2: leaned in on it because they felt like, you know,

484
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 2: especially four or five years ago, it's like, well, we're

485
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 2: gonna have to go against the best SEC game in

486
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,679
Speaker 2: the midday. They tried that. It didn't really work. Prime

487
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 2: Time is the same type of deal. You you know,

488
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 2: you're going to go up against a great game there.

489
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 2: But noon people are just finishing up their game day

490
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 2: show and it's like, wow, here's a really good game

491
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 2: to start your day. And it works. The ratings are

492
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 2: high for it, you know. They One of the things

493
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 2: that Mulda Hill told me Mike Mulda Hill from Fox is, look,

494
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 2: you could take out the top three team games we

495
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 2: picked last year and we still had a higher average

496
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 2: big ten numbers than everybody else, and I'm like, okay,

497
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 2: you know Ohio State, Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, and

498
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 2: Michigan Texas. He removed those three and they still have

499
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,880
Speaker 2: high numbers, so they're going to lean into it. They

500
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,400
Speaker 2: do respect though, that some the schools don't like it

501
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 2: or don't like it that often. And that's what we

502
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 2: saw with the Texas Ohio State situation that went down

503
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:13,120
Speaker 2: that you know, opening weekend, Labor Day weekend. They figured, hey,

504
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 2: that even though that Sunday night I think has Miami

505
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 2: Notre Dame, they wanted to move that into prime time

506
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,479
Speaker 2: on a Sunday night, and Ohio State was all for it,

507
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 2: you know, special nights, you know, fertile territory. They don't

508
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 2: have a game against anybody of value the next week.

509
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 2: Then uh, but Texas, which was contractedly contractually right, said no,

510
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 2: we don't want to do that, and so then it

511
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:40,360
Speaker 2: got moved back to be to noon. But what they're

512
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 2: trying to do is show that they are making efforts

513
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:48,120
Speaker 2: to help the schools out and that's that's It's gonna

514
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 2: be an ongoing process. And I think what the skit

515
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 2: the league did this year a little bit better job

516
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 2: was of its kind of week by week is it's

517
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 2: not leaving Ohio State out there hanging. I think there's

518
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 2: some other games that they can plug because as I

519
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 2: said that, you know, you if you had like one

520
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 2: of the week's Iowa Oregon, you couldn't have it at

521
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 2: Big Noon, but if now you can because it's in

522
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 2: Iowa City. It's just kind of those differences.

523
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 3: You mentioned the Rutgers eleven pm local kickoff last year,

524
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 3: which is insane to still think about. I had completely forgotten.

525
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 3: I remember that there was a doubleheader, but the timing

526
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 3: escaped me. Were there any other errors that networks were

527
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 3: looking to correct. Were there lessons learned from previous drafts

528
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 3: that they said, Okay, I am never again going to

529
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 3: prioritize this kind of game or this week or this

530
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 3: scheduling strategy.

531
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. The one that really crept up to them that

532
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 2: you know, there were a few, but one that stood

533
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,360
Speaker 2: out immediately when they got feedback on was last year

534
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 2: with Michigan State. Michigan State played on peacock on a

535
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 2: Saturday night at home against Ohio State and then had

536
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 2: to turn around that Friday and play Oregon on the road,

537
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 2: and so you had a six day window against two

538
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 2: of the top you know, two or three teams in

539
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 2: the country, and you know, and you have the other

540
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 2: factors that they really don't throw in there, like brand

541
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 2: new coach and but but to expect the team to

542
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 2: go out there and play that type of opponent, you know,

543
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:19,719
Speaker 2: six days apart, was really unfair, they felt, and Michigan

544
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 2: State expressed that, and then they look back and said, okay,

545
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 2: and then a few of the other things that they're

546
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 2: working on as they go as best that they can.

547
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 2: Is while Ohio State had its last six games upear

548
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 2: on noon, five of which on big noon you know,

549
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 2: Wiscon or Michigan State I think had five night games.

550
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 2: Iowa had four or five night games and uh, you know,

551
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 2: three of which I think in November. So you had

552
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 2: a kind of a skewed view. So they're they're trying

553
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 2: to figure out how to you know, slowly, you know,

554
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 2: not have so many night games from one team and

555
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 2: maybe be able to push Ohio State into the into

556
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 2: the primetime a little bit more often. So those were

557
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 2: some of the the takeaways that they had from their scheduling,

558
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 2: and you know, but there are some things they just

559
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 2: can't get away from, which is the travel component. Now

560
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 2: that you're on the West coast, it's gonna be difficult.

561
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: They've tried to adjust it, and this is the second

562
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 2: year of a fourteen week season, and so next year

563
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 2: they're gonna have to redo this. But where the West

564
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 2: coast teams, they don't play two road games. If they

565
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 2: go east, you know, they'll go you know, USC goes

566
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 2: to Illinois, then a couple of weeks, then they go

567
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 2: home and they either have a buy or they have

568
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 2: a home game, you know, something like that, as opposed to, Okay,

569
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 2: you're going to Illinois, you fly back and then you're

570
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 2: going to Rutgers or something like that. That's just so,

571
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 2: but it's difficult, you know, to do that with this

572
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 2: kind of inventory.

573
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: Do you think that by giving this whole process a

574
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: little bit more visibility, you have inadvertently turned it into

575
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: more of a production.

576
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 2: I was just looking for something interesting to write this

577
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 2: time of the year.

578
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: Because this is not uncommon. This is not uncommon when

579
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: somebody sheds a little light on anything, really, especially something

580
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: that I think has roots in the fantasy draft culture

581
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: that we all know and love from you know, kurrent

582
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: her previous lives. It would not be out of the

583
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: realm of possibilities that next year or at some point

584
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: in the future, this becomes more of a talking point,

585
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: more of a production, more of a thing that college

586
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: football fans can watch and cheer on and you know,

587
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: set their watch.

588
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 2: By Oh, I'm sure they're going to get a few

589
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 2: people who ask me when is the draft wins are

590
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 2: going to be held? And it varies by the year.

591
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 2: It's not a you know, it was like the Wednesday

592
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 2: after the NFL Draft this year, and sometimes it's a

593
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 2: little earlier, sometimes it's a little later. But I'm sure, yeah,

594
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 2: next spring that's going to be a topic everybody. When

595
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 2: is it going to be held? When are they going

596
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 2: to do it? And then afterwards, I know, am I

597
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 2: going to try to get intel like it was one

598
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 2: of those old fashioned basketball secret scrimmage where you're calling

599
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 2: the assistant coaches, so who did what?

600
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 3: You could be the mel.

601
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 2: Kuiper of this could be you know, I mean, I

602
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 2: need my hair is disappearing in the back, so I

603
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 2: need some slickness to it.

604
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 3: But I mean, the only the only problem with that is,

605
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 3: of course people look at TV as ruining the sport,

606
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 3: and so then we're going to highlight TV networks who

607
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 3: people hold accountable for changes in the sport and all

608
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 3: being driven by TV money and sort of making celebrities

609
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 3: out of them, Like we're hosting a like egg price

610
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 3: raising TV show. Obviously I would watch that, but no,

611
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 3: it's sort of an interesting, you know, part of the sport.

612
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 3: Of course, I wonder with with the draft, with you

613
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 3: mentioning the schedule changes and the feedback that the conference

614
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 3: got and the network got. I wonder where this is

615
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 3: going with regard to networks and getting games, and like

616
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 3: the one of the byproducts of the TV deal is

617
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 3: like we're getting CBS games network television games or NBC

618
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 3: primetime games that never would have existed because it was

619
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 3: a three and six team against a four and five

620
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 3: team and it would have been relegated to the Big

621
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 3: ten network. But these are the slots that you know,

622
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 3: NBC and CBS have, Like are they a little bit

623
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 3: upset about putting an uninspiring matchup on prime time airwaves?

624
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 3: Like is there any sort of buyer's remorse about either

625
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 3: NBC and CBS and their place in the Big ten

626
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 3: TV deal or are they just thrilled to have live

627
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 3: football because it'll do enough of a rating that even

628
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 3: though on the face having you know, two non Bowl

629
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 3: teams play again on primetime network TV seems weird, but

630
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 3: you know, is it still a win.

631
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 2: Ultimately it's a win for them because of the ratings

632
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 2: are still pretty good. They're not the SEC is shown

633
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 2: to have more depth, and I don't know if that's

634
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 2: just team names that work better, the fact that they

635
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 2: don't beat each other up as much and you know,

636
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 2: have one less league game. But overall, you know, I

637
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 2: think we've seen it, especially not so much last year,

638
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 2: but the year before there were some primetime games you're like,

639
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 2: you see you know, you know, but now that they

640
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 2: have eighteen teams, it kind of gets spread out. And

641
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 2: I think last year was somewhat unique in that that

642
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 2: Michigan was really slow out of the gate and I

643
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 2: lost a couple of games early, USC never really got

644
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 2: off the mat, and we didn't know how good Indiana

645
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 2: and Illinois were until the season was really progressing. So

646
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 2: now kind of going into this season, we think Illinois

647
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 2: could be a top fifteen team. It should be a

648
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 2: top fifteen team anyway, coming out of the and then

649
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 2: maybe maybe they're gonna be good Indiana. Can they do it?

650
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,479
Speaker 2: Repeat it, and I will finally put together an offense.

651
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 2: And then you got your your blue bloods and teams

652
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 2: like Oregon that you feel like they could be something,

653
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 2: you know, special again. So they do have better inventory.

654
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 2: But what I could say about out the non conference

655
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 2: schedule is that absolutely has to change or they have

656
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 2: to change the schedule to accommodate the networks, because they

657
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 2: did have to provide an exemption to Fox in week

658
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 2: two because there was nothing there at all. All there

659
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,919
Speaker 2: all the Big Tens road games were all the Big

660
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 2: Ten's major games were on the road, and so they

661
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 2: only had what two games that they controlled pitting Power

662
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 2: conference teams that that Saturday. One was Boston College at

663
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 2: Michigan State, which is a nice game. Maybe one team

664
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,720
Speaker 2: goes to a bowlgang, Yeah, but that that goes to NBC,

665
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 2: so that kind of vaults the top. And then the

666
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 2: other one is Oklahoma State at Oregon, which when it

667
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 2: was made looked like a great game. Oklahoma State obviously

668
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 2: went to nine and the Big Twelve last year, so

669
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 2: that changes things. But there was nothing left for Fox.

670
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 2: You know, they were strongly considering opening up with well,

671
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 2: at least because Ohio State's playing Grambling, you can't really

672
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 2: go there, you know. And then Michigan's at Oklahoma, so

673
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 2: then you're going, well, Penn State's at home, they're playing

674
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 2: but they're playing FIU. What are we doing here? So

675
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 2: they got an exemption because they decided, you know, they

676
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 2: still have a Big twelve contract, and Iowa plays Iowa State,

677
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 2: and that's to day the kirk Farans can pass Woody

678
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 2: Hayes as the winning his coach in Big Ten history.

679
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 2: It's too you know, it's a Big ten team at

680
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 2: a Big twelve team, a rivalry game. It's you know,

681
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 2: they can do big noon kickoff. So instead of playing

682
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 2: it at like four, which is what the plan was,

683
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,280
Speaker 2: they said, we just moved this into our noon time slot.

684
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 2: And then they ended up saying okay and did that.

685
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 2: But but in the future, the Big Ten is going

686
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 2: to have to start going to these teams and because

687
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 2: what's funny to me is that thirteen out of the

688
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 2: eighteen actually played ten Power five opponents, you know, so

689
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,720
Speaker 2: they've actually got decent non conference schedules for that part.

690
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 2: But they've got to do something about the scheduling itself.

691
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 2: They can't just have these free weekends when you have

692
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 2: three linear partners. It's one thing if you're the SEC

693
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 2: and you can put it on ESPN two when you're

694
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 2: playing Memphis and Oldness or something like that, but you

695
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 2: know you can't put NBC, you know, acron A Nebraska.

696
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 2: You know, it's just is this not going to work?

697
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 3: Were there any I don't know how to describe this

698
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 3: like draft crushes. Obviously there are the games early that

699
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 3: people are selecting, not early necessarily, but the picks are

700
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,280
Speaker 3: early that involve, you know, the big headline ratings, Monster ratings,

701
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 3: Clydesdale teams. Is it apparent that any of these networks

702
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 3: are sort of buying low or think bigger things about

703
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 3: a specific team, like a CBS like very bullish on Nebraska,

704
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 3: or is Fox like it was there any sort of

705
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 3: apparent like, hey, this team might not be super attractive

706
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 3: right now, but we think they could have a special

707
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 3: season and we might be getting a big value play

708
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 3: by circling our wagons around this team.

709
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,439
Speaker 2: I think when you go to week four that they've

710
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 2: got that kind of setup right now, and that's the

711
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 2: CBS going with deciding already to announce it. Michigan at

712
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,399
Speaker 2: Nebraska in the midday. I think they're playing that one

713
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 2: of those two teams, the winner of those two teams

714
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 2: is going to make a play. And Michigan, of course

715
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 2: is a ratings goliath. Nebraska is also pretty good despite

716
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 2: its you know, lack of success over the years recent years.

717
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 2: So I think they're they're figuring great atmosphere at Nebraska

718
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 2: as it always is. Michigan, your two name programs winner

719
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 2: is going to get a bump, They're going to be ranked,

720
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 2: They're probably you know, and I think both teams could

721
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 2: could be ranked even if Michigan loses at Oklahoma. And

722
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 2: so I think that's where they really kind of drew

723
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 2: the line because there's also some pretty good games too

724
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 2: that are available. CBS also took as part of its

725
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 2: Pack two coverage Washington and Washington State, so it leads

726
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 2: into the Apple Cup. But then under Big ten control,

727
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 2: you've got Illinois and Indiana, which I think is going

728
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,760
Speaker 2: to be a fantastic game, and Oregon at Oregon State.

729
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 2: I mean, it may not be very good, but it's

730
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 2: still a rivalry game the Civil War. And Michigan State

731
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 2: at USC. I think that's also intriguing to me. So,

732
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 2: but by announcing those two that game early, I think

733
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 2: it really signifies that they are there. They're all in

734
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 2: on the winner going forward, and they play it all

735
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 2: the way out where they picked Nebraska Iowa on Black

736
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 2: Friday as well.

737
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: Scott, How many people are involved in an operation such

738
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: as this, because as we're talking this through, I'm thinking

739
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: of what we go through when we're trying to preview

740
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: teams in advance of a season. I'm sure everybody kind

741
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: of in our world does something similar.

742
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 2: It's hard.

743
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 1: There's a million data points that you have to try

744
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 1: and consider just when figuring out which teams do we like,

745
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: which players do we like, which storylines are worth following

746
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 1: and mentioning to the audience. But then you have to

747
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: layer on top of it the added math of this

748
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,439
Speaker 1: team brings in X million of an audience each time

749
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 1: they play, Like, there's that whole other, like, I don't know,

750
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: quantitative level of this with respect to TV that you

751
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: have to try and factor in as well. Were there

752
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: different approaches to preparation to putting together those big boards?

753
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: What did it look like from that standpoint?

754
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 2: Each of the networks have about three people in their

755
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 2: war rooms, you know, and and they're the head of

756
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 2: programming for sports. I talked to each one of them

757
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 2: who really made the final call, and and then a

758
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 2: couple other people who really handled that sport specifically, are

759
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 2: you know, intimately evolved. And they go through war games

760
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 2: starting in December when the Big ten announced, it's great,

761
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 2: it's it's it's pretty cool that they, like NBC told me, look,

762
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 2: we split our teams up, and then we had other

763
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 2: people with those teams, and it's like, you go in

764
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 2: this room today, your Fox. You go in this room today,

765
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 2: you're CBS, and we're going to be NBC, and we're

766
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 2: going to try to figure out what their ideas and

767
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 2: their strategies are. And then you look around, Okay, well

768
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 2: they've got the World Series this week, so they're not

769
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 2: gonna think about you know something here, you know, or

770
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 2: well they've you know, they've got Notre Dame at night,

771
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 2: so we're going to focus on a really big game

772
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 2: earlier in the day. So they're trying to kind of

773
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 2: figure all that out, and then they go through multiple

774
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 2: mock drafts. They said that almost weekly, and then it

775
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 2: comes down to almost daily as they get closer, because

776
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 2: they just want to figure out how it plays out,

777
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 2: so ultimately they don't get surprised. That's what they really want.

778
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 2: And and but so it's really sounds like that, you know,

779
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 2: Moli Hill's like, I don't. I've never been in an

780
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 2: inside an NFL war room, but it kind of feels

781
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 2: like it, you know, because they because they just play

782
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:50,399
Speaker 2: this scenario out so much and then they get their

783
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 2: their selections and it's it's kind of funny. I mean,

784
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 2: it's kind of like with the NFL draft when you

785
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,439
Speaker 2: play a mock draft and you're like, you know, that's

786
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,040
Speaker 2: not that hard. You know, we can just pick this

787
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,240
Speaker 2: thing here. But when you're talking about the difference between

788
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 2: you know, looking at the tangible numbers not just wins

789
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 2: and losses and how good this team is, but also

790
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,399
Speaker 2: TV numbers, and then the thing that they all kind

791
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 2: of express that's been the most challenging for them is

792
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 2: now with the portal that they're trying to follow the

793
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 2: moves and who's adding, who's going where? You know, what

794
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 2: does this team look like? Is if you're talking about

795
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,879
Speaker 2: ten years ago and Ohio State lost all of its

796
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 2: players fifteen to the NFL and draft picks and everything else.

797
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 2: You might say, yeah, they're due for a down year.

798
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 2: Now they reloaded. You know, they've already got a lot

799
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 2: of talent, but you know they reloaded. Can you know,

800
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,760
Speaker 2: and they're looking at each and every team like, wow,

801
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 2: can Mark Ronowski really take this team from you know,

802
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 2: offensively being challenged in Iowa City to maybe, you know, hey,

803
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 2: they're playing Oregon, they're playing Indiana, they're playing Penn State

804
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 2: all at home. Maybe that's something we want to eye on.

805
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 2: Is this something we think can happen? You know? And

806
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 2: then they're reading everybody's you know, reporting and whatever. So

807
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:06,280
Speaker 2: they're analyzing this so deeply that you know that actually

808
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 2: kind of came off as a surprise, you know, because

809
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 2: you'd think that they cared and they it have mattered,

810
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 2: but man, they really they go all in on this.

811
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 3: Are there any risks and this sounds silly, I grant you,

812
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 3: are there any risks of corporate espionage, which, by the way,

813
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 3: I haven't not heard, like there are whispers that you know,

814
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 3: the sort of subtext of all of this is this

815
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 3: is all happening in a broader Disney Fox like shadow battle,

816
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 3: right with the big ten in the SEC one. I

817
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 3: think there's like currently a Disney YouTube TV lawsuit over

818
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:48,919
Speaker 3: an executive leaving Disney for YouTube TV. And then there's

819
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 3: like you know, proprietary, non disclosure, non compete types of

820
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,800
Speaker 3: things going on, like have there ever been Maybe you

821
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 3: don't know the answer to this question, That's fine. This

822
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 3: is just me asking like poaching potential of like Fox

823
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,919
Speaker 3: trying to take an NBC person or vice versa, because

824
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, now you don't need a scout

825
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 3: team running, you know, backup quarterback as Cordell Stewart. You

826
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 3: actually have somebody who understands the Fox mindset or the

827
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 3: NBC mindset. Has has that been a part of this

828
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 3: at all? Behind the scenes, There haven't been any moves.

829
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 2: I did ask a little bit kind of not quite

830
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 2: espionage term, but you know about some of the strategies

831
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 2: and whether they you know, do you guys afterwards you

832
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 2: get together and you you know, over drinks and just go, man,

833
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 2: I can't believe you took this or right there has

834
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 2: a been there he's he's They're like, you know, we're

835
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 2: all colleagues, we're all friends, we all get along, but

836
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 2: you know, we're also competitors, and we also have our

837
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 2: own little thoughts that we don't want to share. So

838
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 2: they don't quite rehash the draft necessarily. Maybe they will

839
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 2: pick or two here and there.

840
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 1: But.

841
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 2: Nothing, as far as I would say, is espionage. But

842
00:43:58,280 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 2: I can see where it could happen.

843
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know when you look at.

844
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 2: You know, for instance, you let the like a Notre

845
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 2: Dame game at night, and then you somehow find a

846
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 2: way if you're Notre Dame, Hey, we're also we're going

847
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 2: to use a high pick on that week, so we're

848
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 2: going to leave everybody's you know, we're gonna have the

849
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 2: best uh you know pick that week leading into the

850
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 2: Notre Dame game. You're like, dude, what are you doing?

851
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 2: You know, you're not even having your big ten game

852
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 2: in prime time or you're going to move it to

853
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 2: Peacock or something like that that you know, they're opportunities

854
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 2: for it for sure, and I hope I find out

855
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 2: about them it's really did happen, And oh man, I

856
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 2: can't wait.

857
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 3: That would be an incredible story. And I would imagine

858
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 3: there are very few people who are going to have

859
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 3: the sources and access more so than you. My final

860
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 3: question is about the story you wrote today, which I

861
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 3: you know, it definitely ties into everything we've spoken about before.

862
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 3: But you mentioned Jim Delaney's stance as it relates to scheduling,

863
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 3: as it relates to positioning team to look good in

864
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 3: the eyes of the College Football Playoff Committee Selection committee,

865
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 3: and the reported Tony Petiti pitch for four auto bids

866
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 3: for the Big Ten as opposed to the five plus

867
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 3: eleven model, which I think has sort of come out

868
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 3: after those four plus four plus two plus two plus.

869
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 3: I can't do all the math and I head this

870
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 3: quickly on the fly, but getting to sixteen teams and

871
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 3: that it may the autobid element may have cost the

872
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 3: Big Ten, which is also something that the SEC has

873
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 3: talked about. And you know we have Greg Sanke going

874
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 3: up on his pulpit talking about, you know, the analytics

875
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 3: favor the SEC's road more so than anybody else is

876
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 3: via strength of schedule. Where is the Big Ten today

877
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 3: in terms of its preferences, how it is approaching its

878
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 3: strategy for pitching, you know, the future of the College

879
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 3: Football Playoff? Where does that stand and where do you

880
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 3: expect them to land? The Big Ten in terms of preferences?

881
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 2: First of all, the Big Ten needs to start talking.

882
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 2: This has been this is been going on for too long.

883
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,240
Speaker 2: And Tony Pettitt likes working behind the scenes. He doesn't

884
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 2: really like being out there vocal, whereas Greg Sank he

885
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 2: has no problem with it. But you know, they're taking

886
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 2: up all the oxygen and there's they've changed the narrative

887
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 2: the SEC in the Big Ten. A couple of months ago,

888
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 2: I was in New Orleans when they had their Divide

889
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 2: the World sum at Part two and it was like

890
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 2: they were, you know, they're in lockstep in a lot

891
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 2: of areas. And now it just seems like the SEC

892
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 2: is kind of back to this being, you know, having

893
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 2: its swagger out there and this is why we think

894
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 2: it should be, and the Big Ten is kind of

895
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 2: taking a step back from the forefront and kind of

896
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 2: you know, seated that ground. And then you have the

897
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 2: ACC and Big Twelve saying well, yeah, it should be

898
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 2: five plus two, you know eleven, that's that's the fairest

899
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 2: way to do it. Well, you know, I would say

900
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 2: that the Big Ten had the reason why it's not

901
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,800
Speaker 2: wholeheardly embracing this and actually I put the numbers between

902
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,959
Speaker 2: what it would be if but the current constitution, because

903
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 2: it's kind of hard to go back and forth, but

904
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 2: the current team constitution over the last four years one

905
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 2: versus the other, and the really the the strategy is

906
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 2: that they have a lot of PTSD from what happened

907
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 2: ten years ago and this was and they would have

908
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 2: First of all, they would have gotten more teams in

909
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 2: at five plus eleven. Then they would have at the

910
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 2: guarantees that they're asking for. But the other part is

911
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 2: in twenty fifteen, Jim Delaney decided, since we're in a

912
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,240
Speaker 2: playoff era, we're going to position our teams the best

913
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 2: possible way to be competitive to not only make the playoff,

914
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 2: but also make New Year six Bulls, which were a

915
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 2: little bit more important than they are today, I mean

916
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 2: from that perspective. And so he unveiled this what he

917
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 2: called nineteen ten. You know, a numerical acronym. You know

918
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 2: that they're playing one championship game, nine Big ten games

919
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 2: because they were at eight one intersectional opponent or which

920
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 2: would be just a non power conference team, and then

921
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 2: no FCS opponents. He figured that would provide them with

922
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 2: the strength of schedule to put them in the In

923
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 2: the conversation every year for not only the playoff, but

924
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 2: then also for major bowl games, and a couple of

925
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 2: years in it got proven that that just didn't matter.

926
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 2: And one of it was when Ohio State twice got

927
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 2: left out as champions, and what they were looking at

928
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 2: wasn't so much. You know, Ohio State lost one game

929
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,800
Speaker 2: in the Big Ten each of that seventeen and eighteen years.

930
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 2: One was at Iowa, one was at Purdue. Both were blowouts,

931
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:32,879
Speaker 2: both were surprising. But they're also looking at it. Look,

932
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,399
Speaker 2: if we were at eight games and we're divisions, maybe

933
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 2: we're not even playing that game. Maybe they're playing Grambling

934
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 2: or they're playing Morgan State, or they're playing you know,

935
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 2: Mercer or whatever, and so that game wouldn't have happened,

936
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 2: and we would have been better off not playing nine

937
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 2: as opposed to playing nine. And whereas other leagues, meaning

938
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 2: the SEC primarily but also the ACC, you're not having

939
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 2: that opportunity where half your team's loose. And also in

940
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,879
Speaker 2: the month of November, there are those non conference games

941
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 2: against a group of five teams or FCS opponents where

942
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 2: when you're in the middle of the season, sometimes you

943
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 2: just you run out of gas. You're on the road,

944
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 2: at a conference team and you get a hit with

945
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 2: a buzzsaw, and so they were really frustrated through that.

946
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 2: And then the one that really sent them over the

947
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 2: top was in twenty eighteen, and this is about a

948
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 2: bowl game. Nevertheless, Penn State get ranked twelfth. Florida was

949
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 2: tenth l she was eleventh LS. She was way out.

950
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 2: It was fine. Florida had two FCS opponents. They played

951
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 2: a three and nine Georgia or three and nine Colorado

952
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 2: State and then Florida State, which had a blow of

953
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 2: five hundred record and it really did not have a

954
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 2: very good schedule, but it did beat LSU. And whereas

955
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:52,280
Speaker 2: Penn State played pitt which was a Coastal Division champion,

956
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 2: played at eleven and two Appalachian Stage, played some really

957
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 2: good top five competition, and yet it was still ranked

958
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,479
Speaker 2: behind Florida. So Delaney's like, well, what do we do now,

959
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 2: you know, how do we get this? Now? Is it

960
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 2: all eye test? If it is all eye tests, then

961
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:12,240
Speaker 2: these are really uneven, you know. And now he's of course,

962
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 2: you know, two commissioners removed from the Big ten. But

963
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 2: now they look at it as we don't want to

964
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 2: get into a situation where our nine league. Our nine

965
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 2: game league schedule is a detriment when you're comparing to

966
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 2: an eight league schedule. So that's why we want guarantees.

967
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 2: We're different, we're built differently. We want it. We have

968
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 2: nine games, they have eight. We feel like we're going

969
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 2: to be competitive, and the numbers show that they have

970
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 2: still gotten the same or similar numbers. In fact, they

971
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 2: we've had fewer numbers in the in the auto bid

972
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 2: era than they would have if it was just five

973
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 2: plus twelve. But we feel like this is a better

974
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,800
Speaker 2: way for us to guarantee it. Now, if the SEC goes, okay,

975
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 2: we're going to go to nine games and then I

976
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 2: could then the big ten will probably come down, you know,

977
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 2: whether it's five plus eleven or there's a little bit

978
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 2: different guarantees set up, they would come down from that.

979
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 2: But if the SEC doesn't go to nine games, and

980
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 2: then it won't budge on on the guarantees.

981
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 3: By the way, Greg Sankie did mention that those two

982
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 3: FCS opponents that Florida played, the analytics couldn't measure heart,

983
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 3: couldn't measure grit, and so Greg Sankie, now Greg Sankeie

984
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 3: coincidentally did not mention that in his strength of schedule tirade,

985
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 3: he wasn't a tirade, but his presentation, Scott doctrman, we've

986
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 3: taken up enough of your time. Thank you so much.

987
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,240
Speaker 3: Everybody read. Everybody follows Scott at the athletic. He's writing

988
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 3: terrific stuff about national college football, Big ten football, you

989
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 3: name it, and I just I can't wait to see

990
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 3: where the draft goes next season. Part of me hopes

991
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 3: it's an entertainment spectacle with Fox bringing like the guy

992
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 3: who does the voice of Homer Simpson to announce their

993
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 3: picks in the way that like the NBA lottery bring

994
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,760
Speaker 3: like good luck charms, and part of me is horrified

995
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 3: by this whole ordeal. So Scott, thank you very much

996
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 3: for your time, and everybody check them out.

997
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 2: Thanks so much for me. I really appreciate it.

998
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: So look, I don't know how interesting that was to

999
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: people listening at home.

1000
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 3: I think it was. I think it definitely was.

1001
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1002
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: I can't speak for the for baller hood. I've been

1003
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: on the edge of my chair for the last forty

1004
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: five minutes.

1005
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,280
Speaker 2: I swallowed that interview whole.

1006
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 1: I loved every second of it, just the idea of

1007
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 1: there being a draft of these games, that there are

1008
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: network dorks scattered about the country via email, which I

1009
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 1: cannot stress enough. You need the patience of a dead

1010
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: horse to do an eight hour email draft. I have

1011
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 1: done it. It sucks, It's terrible, but it's something so

1012
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 1: nerdy and yet of such critical importance to these networks

1013
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: to be stick draft. I want to broadcast it next year.

1014
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 3: You want to buy the rights?

1015
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: We're the biggest independent college football show out there.

1016
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1017
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 1: Can we get the rights to this with not a

1018
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 1: real rooting interest to put it up on the YouTube channel?

1019
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 1: We can get like our own media consultant, whoever to

1020
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: break down the numbers. I want to broadcast this thing.

1021
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 3: I want the Excel Championships and I'm bringing back Jason

1022
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 3: Bennetti to call it. I want the big ten TV draft.

1023
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 3: I want things that ESPN, the OCHOL wouldn't even consider, yes,

1024
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 3: wouldn't even consider airing. I want what's on Is there

1025
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 3: like a quilting Championships? I know there's a shilting reality

1026
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 3: show on Netflix.

1027
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:43,240
Speaker 1: There's a championship for everything.

1028
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:48,399
Speaker 3: I want highly. I want the the what's it called

1029
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 3: the cast Iron Cleaning championships. There has to be something

1030
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 3: like that, right, sure, restoration cast iron restoration championships. I

1031
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:58,879
Speaker 3: want it all, Tie, I want it all. But yes,

1032
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 3: I think it was fasting absolutely. You know this is

1033
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 3: this is the gears and pulleys behind the scenes of

1034
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 3: how we consume this sport. So it is relevant. It

1035
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 3: is interesting to me. You know, you mentioned the fantasy

1036
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 3: draft of it all, and it is what I was

1037
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 3: also picking up vibe wise, was are you a Sidoku guy?

1038
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say I'm a Sudoku guy, but.

1039
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 3: Like if you're on a plane and extremely bored and

1040
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 3: you know, one of your your iPad dies or something

1041
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 3: like that, and you're like, all right, I don't even

1042
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 3: know if planes have the magazine. I don't know if

1043
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 3: American Way or whatever exists anymore. But there was something

1044
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 3: the mechanics and strategy of like Okay, a three can't

1045
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 3: be here or here, but a three can go in

1046
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 3: this square, a seven can't go here, Like the piecing

1047
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 3: of that kind of strategic puzzle of like, well, we

1048
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,359
Speaker 3: can't air because we got the World Series, We've got

1049
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:50,280
Speaker 3: the Ryder Cup, we've got the whatever event, We've got

1050
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 3: this game already circled here, so we can't do this

1051
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 3: team here, or we can't air this then like there

1052
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 3: is that like moving around the nines and eights and

1053
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 3: three in twos, and you know, right like there was

1054
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 3: that strategy element is what I was picking up from

1055
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:08,839
Speaker 3: him as well. So it's it's all fascinating the way,

1056
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 3: and you know, the people involved would obviously say something

1057
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 3: like it's not as interesting as you think.

1058
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure it is.

1059
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 1: There's no way it can be, especially if it's conducted

1060
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 1: via email. There's a lot of sitting around. Scott talked

1061
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,800
Speaker 1: about it in his piece. There's a lot of sitting around.

1062
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a lot of donuts. I'm sure there's

1063
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 1: a lot of small talk waiting for the email ding.

1064
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 1: But at the same time, in our little world that

1065
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: we've constructed here as college football fans, it kind of

1066
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 1: starts there. The season kind of starts there. All too

1067
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 1: often when a game is played, on what network it's played,

1068
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: who is calling the game, All of these things factor

1069
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 1: into the fan experience.

1070
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 3: It's also interesting because while you know, I sort of

1071
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 3: half joked about corporate espionage and hiring away some you know,

1072
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 3: programming person from CBS going to five and vice versa.

1073
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,720
Speaker 3: They're all kind of on the same team here because

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Speaker 3: NBC's eggs are all in Big Ten in Notre Dame.

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Speaker 3: CBS's eggs are from a major conference level, I believe

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Speaker 3: all on the Big ten now right without their SEC show,

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Speaker 3: I don't believe they're calling ACC or Big ten games.

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Speaker 3: I know they have G five conferences on CBS Sports

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Speaker 3: Network and other CBS games as well on main CBS,

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Speaker 3: but in terms of the major conference presence, it's Big Ten,

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Speaker 3: and obviously Fox has Big Twelve, but it's bread is

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Speaker 3: buttered by the Big Ten, and their investment is by

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Speaker 3: far the largest into the Big Ten than any other conference.

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Speaker 3: They're all kind of pulling in the same direction, right.

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Speaker 3: A healthy robust ratings monster Big ten is good for

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Speaker 3: everybody in these meetings, so it's not like they're really

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Speaker 3: sworn enemies. Whereas when this draft was happening, when ESPN

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Speaker 3: was a Big Ten partner, and ESPN has had its

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Speaker 3: toes in the Big Ten, in the Pac ten to twelve,

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Speaker 3: well in the ACC and the Big twelve, right, that's

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Speaker 3: when I think it might have even been more cutthroats

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Speaker 3: that I think battle lines were more obvious when there

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Speaker 3: was the ESPN ABC element to this all, whereas like

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Speaker 3: CBS just like had its big SEC game right, there

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00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 3: were rules involved with who they could pick and not pick.

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Speaker 3: You know, a team couldn't be in that spot more

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Speaker 3: than a certain number of times, the three thirty spot,

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Speaker 3: but like they were sort of set there. NBC had

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Speaker 3: their notre ed aim and Fox and ESPN were the

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Speaker 3: ones sort of playing was risk. That's the global battle

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Speaker 3: for domination. I would imagine it was maybe more cutthroat

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Speaker 3: than in the draft, and now it's just more of

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Speaker 3: a shadow battle. I'm serious.

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I love this so good.

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Speaker 1: I love this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to do this.

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Speaker 1: Episode every year with Scott. Beautiful, beautiful. Well look, thank

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Speaker 1: you to one and all for downloading, for listening, for

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Speaker 1: supporting again for Ballers dot com as a Patreon if

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Speaker 1: you want to further support what we do. Thanks to

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Speaker 1: Scott gave us like an hour of his time here

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Speaker 1: to do this and talk through not just the game

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Speaker 1: draft but also the backstory with the Big ten and

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Speaker 1: the four automatic bids. We're of course is going to

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Speaker 1: have to see where all of that comes down. They've

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Speaker 1: gotten until December the first to figure it out. It's

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Speaker 1: not the last we've heard of it, but clearly the

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Speaker 1: Big ten and SEC are going to be kicking up

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Speaker 1: some dust on this front throughout the summer and as

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Speaker 1: we get deeper into the year. So we'll cover that

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Speaker 1: as best we can here on the show. Again, if

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Speaker 1: you made it this far, hit follow, hit subscribe, if

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Speaker 1: nothing more, we do appreciate your support. It helps us immensely.

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Speaker 1: Dan all right, we've got more episodes to record today actually,

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Speaker 1: as we kind of plan for the weeks that are ahead,

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Speaker 1: so we'll get to doing that. We would encourage you

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Speaker 1: again reach out on social media or via email soliverbal

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Speaker 1: at gmail dot com if you have anything further to

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Speaker 1: say or add or any thoughts to get off your chest.

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00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 1: We've been getting a lot of them, a lot of

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Speaker 1: them over the last couple weeks here, people talking about

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Speaker 1: the playoff format, talking about some of the previews that

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Speaker 1: we've done, their expectations for teams, and the likes.

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Speaker 3: So keep them coming.

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Speaker 1: We can't respond all of them, but we do read

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Speaker 1: all of them and appreciate your feedback. We're getting a

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Speaker 1: little bit closer, Manet, a little bit closer it's.

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Speaker 3: June now, yeah, I mean I still need to find

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Speaker 3: out who Quentin Nelson's booking representative is. Let's not get

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Speaker 3: it twisted. June is June. But it's still feeling good.

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Speaker 1: For that guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein

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Speaker 1: for a guest of honor today, Scott Document of the

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Speaker 1: Athletic Go and check him out. We will talk to

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Speaker 1: you all next week. In the meantimes, they saw it

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Speaker 1: peace