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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys Liked d Lambs, Your host Kyle Yeoman's live

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Speaker 1: from the s WBC Mortgage Studios. We have a PSA

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Speaker 1: announcement for every draft nerd that continues to listen to

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Speaker 1: this podcast. Ladies and gentlemen, it is officially Draft month

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Speaker 1: as April is here. It's a Thursday edition of the

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Speaker 1: Draft Show here on Dallas Cowboys dot Com, as always

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Speaker 1: presented by Miller Lite. We're so glad you've been along

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Speaker 1: with us throughout the ride. This is crazy. This is

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Speaker 1: episode number thirty two since we started this journey back

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Speaker 1: in December, so it's been quite some time together and

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Speaker 1: we're mixing and matching the cruise. We've got David Hellman

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Speaker 1: got Katie and Bucky Brooks on for the same show

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Speaker 1: for the first time this year. But gentlemen, we all

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Speaker 1: just kind of have to look at Bucky Brooks background

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Speaker 1: and say he wins because I mean, goodness, gracious, he's

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Speaker 1: draft month, Bucky, but it's it's not that serious to

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Speaker 1: where you have to go from your your your background

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Speaker 1: to that. I mean, you don't have to outdo us

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Speaker 1: like that. I mean a little moonlighting. So here at

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Speaker 1: sudden a new decorps. Katie. You're trying to keep up,

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Speaker 1: I think at this point right oh absolutely, It's it's

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Speaker 1: This is awesome. But Bucky's like, all way, Bucky might

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Speaker 1: I saw Kyle Kyle, you were doing play by play

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Speaker 1: of the unt basketball games and the Comfort USA Tournament.

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Speaker 1: I was like, all these people I work with you

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Speaker 1: it's it's Draft month, it's getting close, and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: we gotta do this for another month yet, Like I'm

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Speaker 1: I mean, I love the draft, don't mistake me. But

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Speaker 1: like I'm reaching that point in the process where, you know,

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Speaker 1: we've been talking about this since before New Year's and

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Speaker 1: now like everybody else is jumping into the into the pool,

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Speaker 1: like all the casuals, if you will, the casuals now,

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Speaker 1: And I'm just like, I don't want to hear it

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Speaker 1: from y'all, Like leave the draft to the draft people,

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Speaker 1: and y'all go worry about something else. See. And that's

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Speaker 1: the fun part about it is because most of the

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Speaker 1: sim I'm not talking to you if you're listening to

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Speaker 1: the Draft Show. If you're listening to the Draft Show,

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Speaker 1: you're good. I'm talking to like, you know, like we

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Speaker 1: just National TV is just that all these pro days. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: my Twitter timeline is full of people that are like, oh,

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Speaker 1: And that's the good part about being in the position

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Speaker 1: And at the same time, there's gonna be names that

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Speaker 1: one of the conversations that I've had with people like

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Speaker 1: And so I can't understand why he is underrated and

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Speaker 1: off all the boxes he would he should be someone

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Speaker 1: circle and go, you know what, let's let's spend some

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Speaker 1: And that's right, kind of go okay, well how far

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Speaker 1: name of that you brought up, Dave. That's this is

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Speaker 1: I like this because you're just sitting around talking about guys.

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Speaker 1: Can you see all your ideas are good? Yeah? Or

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Speaker 1: most of them? Anyway? Thank you? Now, yeah you should uh,

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Speaker 1: Totally believe that, but yes, that's gracious. Now, yeah, did

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Speaker 1: uh kind of going off of boogie basham and kind

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Speaker 1: offensive tackles in the first round and then maybe trying

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Speaker 1: he catches a little bit too much flak from people.

429
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Speaker 1: But yeah, he's had plenty of his own injury issues,

430
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,199
Speaker 1: whether it's shoulder or back, you name it. So I

431
00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:19,560
Speaker 1: would absolutely love to beef up the depth there. Yeah,

432
00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,960
Speaker 1: they've beefed up to depth on the defensive line, but

433
00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,479
Speaker 1: just not a lot at er, not as much as

434
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Speaker 1: you would really like. And it's kind of been with

435
00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:31,640
Speaker 1: moves that we've really anticipated. Bucky. Yeah, when I think

436
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:35,280
Speaker 1: about dan Quinn's defense. I'm really trying to figure out

437
00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:39,520
Speaker 1: who fits what role. Because you have the LEO, who

438
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,800
Speaker 1: is the guy that is the active he can be

439
00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,800
Speaker 1: the undersized guy, which is more probably like Randy Gregory,

440
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,240
Speaker 1: but you need to have another another guy that could

441
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,320
Speaker 1: play that role because I don't think you can put

442
00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,280
Speaker 1: all of your eggs in the Randy Gregory best exactly.

443
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 1: And so Basham, you know Basham coming over for the Jets.

444
00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 1: He's a high mortar gup. He's never put up big

445
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,959
Speaker 1: numbers and when it comes to sack production. So I

446
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,200
Speaker 1: believe somewhere in the draft they have to find another

447
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 1: guy who can play their role as the designated pass rusher.

448
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:12,880
Speaker 1: And so whether it's um Chris Rump from Duke or

449
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,600
Speaker 1: I got like Patrick Jones from Pittsburgh, there has to

450
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 1: be someone that if they can't get a person early

451
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 1: in the first round of the second round, it has

452
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Speaker 1: to be someone that you can target in the third

453
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Speaker 1: round that can give them some pass rushability and maybe

454
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:30,000
Speaker 1: outplay their draft status because they're playing in a role

455
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 1: that is just catered to the skills that they have developed.

456
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 1: Right now, I'm glad you brought up Chris rump Bucky

457
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 1: because that's a that's a fun watch right there too,

458
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 1: just flying around the end and sometimes he can doesn't

459
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 1: take much to push him down, but he's that guy

460
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 1: is awesome. Um, his dad's a coach. I mean, he

461
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 1: knows what he's doing. That's that's a good player man,

462
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 1: good situational bass rusher. I like that him. Some of

463
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:57,919
Speaker 1: those duke guys. I mean, there's a duke tight end.

464
00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 1: Noah Gray that I know is getting a lot of pubs,

465
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 1: and Bucky you really liked in the Draft magazine. But

466
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:04,879
Speaker 1: I do want to talk about a tight end really quickly.

467
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,119
Speaker 1: And this once again might not be exactly what the

468
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 1: Cowboys fans are looking for right now. But there was

469
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 1: storylines this past week about Brevin Jordan from Miami, and

470
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 1: he brought up the storyline was the fact that at

471
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,160
Speaker 1: his pro day, which was a decent pro day, came

472
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 1: out and said the Cowboys are in love with me,

473
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:27,680
Speaker 1: they love me, talking about how infatuated the Dallas Cowboys are,

474
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 1: which kind of threw me and Dave for a loop.

475
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,160
Speaker 1: We were sitting upstairs and we just kind of looked

476
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:32,679
Speaker 1: at each other and like, wait, hold up, do we

477
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 1: need to look at tight end a little bit more here.

478
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 1: That's my question to you guys. Do we need to

479
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,400
Speaker 1: look at tight end a little bit more here out

480
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:43,880
Speaker 1: of these maybe undersung prospects that we didn't necessarily talk

481
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Speaker 1: about previously. I will be marketing genius. I'll be one

482
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 1: hundred percent on us with you, like please the depth

483
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 1: of my Like I've been so fixated on Kyle Pitts

484
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 1: that that's about where my tight end the same investigation stops.

485
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 1: And I don't wait. So at the same time, I

486
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 1: think two things, like, tight end is a position. Teams

487
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,160
Speaker 1: love to draft tight ends because like they can play

488
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,920
Speaker 1: special teams, they can block a lot of things. Guy

489
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 1: John McKeon last year played a lot of time made

490
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 1: mckun made the roster as an undrafted free agent because

491
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 1: of how versatile and valuably is. So with ten picks,

492
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:25,440
Speaker 1: I could absolutely see them drafting a guy. I just wonder,

493
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,159
Speaker 1: unless it's Kyle Pits, which we don't have to do

494
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,400
Speaker 1: that right now. But I just wonder how much bang

495
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 1: for your buck you're really getting spending, you know, if

496
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 1: you want to draft a guy like in a six

497
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:38,959
Speaker 1: or seventh round just to make the team. Whatever. But

498
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: I think Blake Jarwin and Dalton Schultz is a pretty

499
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 1: damn good duo. And you know Sean mcun we haven't

500
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 1: seen much of him, but he was good enough to

501
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,440
Speaker 1: make the team as a rookie. I don't see why

502
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,640
Speaker 1: he can't be your third. I would rather just add

503
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,959
Speaker 1: a cheap resource to the back end of that. Unless

504
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:59,239
Speaker 1: I would rather either like buy the Lamborghini, like just

505
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 1: go whole, I can do it right, or just worry

506
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 1: about it later. That's kind of where I am. I

507
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: don't know about y'all, all right, So so here's my thing,

508
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 1: and I don't want to be negative Nancy Day, but

509
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 1: I please do it. So so the thing with cal Pits,

510
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: which I like, right like? I like cal Pits. I

511
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 1: think he's a unique weapon and offensive playmaker in those things. However,

512
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:28,639
Speaker 1: when we've talked about these type guys being drafted early,

513
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 1: more times than not, they've not been what we expected.

514
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 1: So if we're going to top ten, we think about

515
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 1: t J. Hockinson wasn't in this category, but TJ. Hockinson

516
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 1: at eight, we haven't got return on an investment. If

517
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 1: you're the Detroit Lions, you go all the way back

518
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 1: to Eric Ebron coming out of North Carolina. He was

519
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 1: effected to be one of these guys, a jumbow wide

520
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 1: receiver to make an impact. It hasn't happened. When you

521
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,640
Speaker 1: look at the All Pro players or the Pro Bowl

522
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 1: players at the position. George Kittle was a fifth round pick.

523
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey, if I'm not mistaken, was a fifth round pick.

524
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 1: Darren was a six round pick that was a wide

525
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: receiver in college. So maybe, just maybe we should investigate

526
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: the lower round guys because it appears that those are

527
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 1: the guys that are really making it happen as opposed

528
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: to the guys that we are falling in love with

529
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 1: at the top of the board. That that is the

530
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 1: one thing. Sorry, sorry, Katie. I'll let you real quick,

531
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: go Dave, this is you. It is that's the one

532
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 1: thing that scares me about Kyle Pitts. I mean, the

533
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: track records not great. But you always say, don't scout

534
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 1: the helmet, and I like scout. Yeah, I don't. I

535
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: don't know if it's Kyle Pitts's fault that some of

536
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: those guys haven't worked out. But what do you think, Katy?

537
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: Oh No, I mean, look, I think at ten I'm

538
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: not interested in getting cute. I put a board together.

539
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: I have a best player. I take that best player

540
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 1: at ten now down the road, though Bucky's right to exill.

541
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 1: First of all, let me get this out of the

542
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: way on Brevin Jordan's marketing genius. All of these kids

543
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 1: should say the Cowboys in love with them. They could

544
00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 1: have no contact with the Cowboys whatsoever. Yes, of course,

545
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 1: the world's most valued franchise. Yeah, they love me. Yes,

546
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: smart like that makes him a good candidate. I have

547
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,199
Speaker 1: Rerevin Jordan is tied in four for me, and I

548
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 1: really like Rerevin Jordan. I really like the Notre Dame kid,

549
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 1: Tommy tremble Um. I think he is like a better

550
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 1: Joseph Deguara from Cincinnati. And that's probably not a household name,

551
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 1: but Deguara I caught everyone's attention last year. Hey can

552
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: use him. I just think he's better than him too.

553
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't know how to say his

554
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: last name, but the Penn State kid Pat oh, yeah, Friarmouth.

555
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 1: It's just a hard name to say, um, but yeah, yeah,

556
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 1: you're right name. I don't order the Pitts thing here

557
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: that that'd be what I don't want to do the

558
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: Pitts thing here. You're right, but I'd still go ahead

559
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: and rip the band aid off because I just look

560
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: at my personal rankings and God knows what the Cowboys

561
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: are gonna have. But I do I have Pitts graded

562
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: higher than Sir Tan, I do. I have Pitts graded

563
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: higher than Sewell. I do. I've been scrated higher than Slater,

564
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: I do. And that's where it kind of goes. You know,

565
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: I'd probably gotta do it right. But that's the whole thing.

566
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: Like at ten, I don't want you guys like overthinking it.

567
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 1: Just cheers what we got. Let's do it. We're doing it.

568
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: We're all in. But you know what's gonna happen in

569
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: Cowboys Country? If we start talking about day two tight ends,

570
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 1: the words Gavin Escobar is gonna get thrown out. It's

571
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 1: just it's gonna happen. Poor kids won't be wearing that. So,

572
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: so if the Cowboys did a Day two tight end

573
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 1: like that, poor kid didn't have a chance because the

574
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: fans were just gonna call him Gavin Escobar. I will

575
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: say this, I think a lot of it depends on

576
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: if the Cowboys go back into the tight end pool

577
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: a lot of it to me. Will tell me if

578
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy is taking maybe a bigger interest in the offense.

579
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: If you go back and look at what he did

580
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: in Green Bay, he was big on always having two

581
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: tight ends on the field. And those tight ends were

582
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: not necessarily traditional tight ends. They were the jumble wide

583
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: receiver types because they would go empty formation and make

584
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: you show your hand to make the game easy for

585
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: the quarterback. And I'm not saying that now because they

586
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: pay Dak Prescott that they're going to justify paying him

587
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: big money. But we've talked about it. We've talked about

588
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: the strength of the team is the offense, and we

589
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: can talk about, oh, we got to improve the defense.

590
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: But the one thing I know, if you put points

591
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: on the field, you make opponents one dimensional on offense

592
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: because now they're chasing points and so if they go

593
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: all in on this offensive approach, I do believe adding

594
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: another tight end is sensible because you want to have

595
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: the ability to dictate the terms of variety of ways.

596
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: Let's go eleven personnel, let's go twelve personnel. Hey, let's

597
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: take all the running backs off the field. Let's go

598
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: two tight ends, three wide outs. Let's see how they

599
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: react to it. How creative do they want to get

600
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: with the offense? I think a lot of it depends

601
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: on how Mike McCarthy viewsed his team and how he

602
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: used the best course of action when it comes to

603
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: winning a bunch of games. It's one of Dave's favorite

604
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: things to hear, is twelve personnel depend You know what

605
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: twelve personnel used to really piss me off? Yeah? I know,

606
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: but why that's what I said? It may like it.

607
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: It bothers me a lot less now that I think

608
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have two decent catching tight end Okay, I don't.

609
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: I don't even want to say his name again. But

610
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: if they draft that guy, I'll like it even more.

611
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: I promise sit the guy out of Florida. Yeah, that's okay,

612
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: just want one that's interesting. By the way, Bucky earlier

613
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: when he was like, yeah, he's a good player, Like

614
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: he's he's good. I like him, that was like probably

615
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: the worst I've heard anybody ever talk about Kyle Pitts,

616
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: because usually it's like this guy's so like, this guy's unbelievable,

617
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: and Bucky was just, I mean, he's he's a he's

618
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: a freak athlete. But what I believe most people, most

619
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: play callers, don't know how to utilize the tide end.

620
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: So we can talk about him being a great athlete

621
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 1: or whatever, and there's been a conversation where hey, maybe

622
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: he's a Julio Jones Megatron type that you put out

623
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: wide and he plays and those things. Most guys don't

624
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: have the capacity to find or create a playbook or

625
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: a game plan that really maximizes the tied end. And

626
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: so I think this is where we got to scout

627
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: the play caller. Does your play caller have a track

628
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: record of being able to get the tied end loose?

629
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,959
Speaker 1: Because if he doesn't, then Kyle Pitts is a wasted

630
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: draft pick because you don't maximize who he is. We

631
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: talked about North North Fan goes to Denver and he's

632
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: all right, yeah, you know, like so I just want

633
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: him if he's going, if he's going to be what

634
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: we say he is, I just would like to see

635
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: him go to a place that can utilize him and

636
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: elevate him the way that his talents would suggest that

637
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: he should be elevated. Another show, another draft show dominated

638
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: by Kyle Pitts, which is gonna happen. I think up

639
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: until I feel guilty, but at the same time I don't.

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698
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702
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Speaker 1: and some strong safety and base packages, why not target

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Speaker 1: a guy like Jeremiah lusu Coamora from Notre Dame in

704
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Speaker 1: this draft. He was made in a lab for that

705
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Speaker 1: type of work, and Neil is only on that one

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Speaker 1: year contract. There's all every year, every year there's a

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Speaker 1: guy that I absolutely love who just doesn't fit the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys range. I guess, and I don't know. I go

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Speaker 1: back and forth on that because I'm the guy's a

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Speaker 1: great player and he can do a bunch of stuff

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Speaker 1: for you. Draft him, draft him. Yeah, Like you know,

712
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Speaker 1: people are always like, I don't know about ten, but

713
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Speaker 1: I'd do it at sixteen. And it's like, really like

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Speaker 1: six picks is enough to get you to swing that wildly,

715
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Speaker 1: Which we've said that on this show before two about Jeremiah. Oh, absolutely,

716
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Speaker 1: and I understand it to some degree. But I also

717
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 1: I think he's a hell of a player. I agree.

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Speaker 1: I agree with the question completely. You know, bring him like, yeah,

719
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 1: he could do he could do what Keyan O'Neil is

720
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Speaker 1: here to do. Absolutely, he could like he could play

721
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: some will, he could play safety down in the box.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying you would do it a lot, but

723
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: he's shown on tape that he can play in the

724
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Speaker 1: slot and help you deal with you know, receivers and

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00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: tight ends that are flexed out. And he just seems

726
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: like one of those modern players to me where you

727
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Speaker 1: don't like he doesn't have a position and he doesn't

728
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Speaker 1: need one. And I would probably draft him at ten.

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think the Cowboys would, but I

730
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Speaker 1: would consider it. I don't know what about y'all. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think he's I think he's a talented player. I

732
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: think the main thing is like the measurements, like how

733
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Speaker 1: big is he? Where do you really fit him? It's

734
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Speaker 1: a bit like the Jeremy Chen Isaiah Simmons conversation when

735
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Speaker 1: you talk to people in Arizona before that where does

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Speaker 1: he go? Because it's great to say that someone has

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Speaker 1: this flexibility and versatil they can play linebacker. They can

738
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Speaker 1: play safety, but at the end of the day, where

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Speaker 1: do they go for their position meetings because they have

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Speaker 1: to major in something before they can minor in the

741
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Speaker 1: other things. I think for Abusko moresy a guy that

742
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Speaker 1: can play in the box and be your linebacker in

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Speaker 1: the style of defense that you want to play, I

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00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: would say in Dallas, yes, because we saw them. We

745
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: saw Dan Quinn take these light linebackers in Atlanta and

746
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: have success, So I think he absolutely can do it.

747
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: I think the fascination with Keyan O'Neil they're trying to

748
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: jump start the defense right now. You bring Kaze over,

749
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: you bring in Keyan O'Neill over. You're trying to get

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Speaker 1: guys on the field who don't require it's learning and

751
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: we can get it and go. And I said, I

752
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: think data's philosophy. So I don't know if you'll use

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00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 1: the tenth pick on the guy, but he's fantastic. It

754
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 1: would get somebody off the field while while we're here.

755
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, interesting, No, while we're here though, him or J. C. Horne.

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Speaker 1: What do you do if let's say your guys or

757
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Speaker 1: ten and he's not there at ten, which I think

758
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: could be very likely. I think that could happen Jay

759
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: okay or Horn wow? Or or or Parsons Oh wow,

760
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Speaker 1: A good another ringe. You gotta gotta make the call.

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Speaker 1: You can't trade back. What are you doing. I'll take

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Speaker 1: Michael Parsons. Wow. I think I would take jac Horn.

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Speaker 1: I think i'd take Horn. I think I would take

764
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Speaker 1: Horn too. But I'm surprised, Bucky. I want you to

765
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Speaker 1: elaborate because I'm surprised you said Parsons there. I think

766
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: Parsons is a much better player than all I think

767
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Speaker 1: if you look at it, if we go back and

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Speaker 1: really look at the tape and ignore all the stuff

769
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Speaker 1: that kind of cloud of the evaluation about like oh,

770
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Speaker 1: they're character concerns or whatever, when you turn on the tape,

771
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: he's a dominant player. He's a top five player. If

772
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: you think about the way Devin White dominates the game

773
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in terms of being a

774
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 1: pass rushing inside linebacker. Michael Parsons can do all of that.

775
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Speaker 1: The stuff that he put on display at his Pro day.

776
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: And I'm not a Pro day guy, but someone two

777
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: and forty six pounds running forty three nine with the

778
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: stuff that he's put on tape as a pass Russia,

779
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: as a guy who plays like a bull in a

780
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: china shop. You sign me up for that. And going

781
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 1: all the way back to what he was in high school,

782
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: he was a defensive end with his hand in the dirt.

783
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: And so when you think about creatively how you want

784
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: to maximize how we can get after the quarterback, well,

785
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: that guy can do it, and so I would take him.

786
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: I think with jac Horne in the debate that I've

787
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: had with Jac Horn over past or ten, j C.

788
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: Horne may be an extraordinary athlete, pass or ten is

789
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: a technician and a player, And depend upon where you

790
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: put those guys, they gonna have different levels of success.

791
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: And so at ten, I want to make sure that

792
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: I don't swing and miss. I think it's less likely

793
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 1: that I'm a swinging miss on Michael Parsons based on

794
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: his skill set and what is needed in Dallas. Interesting,

795
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: you love it. That's interesting, Kat, You got out of

796
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: this without offering your opinion. Dang it, it's hoping I

797
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: can skate through there. No, it is interesting too when

798
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: you look at what the Cowboys situations, you obviously you're

799
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: drafting these guys for more than one year, but they

800
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: don't have to pick up the fifth year option of

801
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: Laton vander ash who has proven that he can't stay healthy.

802
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith, you can still get out of his contract

803
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: next year. Like, it's not like he's here forever. So like,

804
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 1: do you get any linebacker that high? I'm not completely

805
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: out on. I think I would probably tend to lean

806
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: towards Parsons as well. Maybe right there you're talking about

807
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: there's no doubt, and I love Jay okay, but there's

808
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,879
Speaker 1: no doubt. You are taking a bit of a leap

809
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 1: of faith that he can do what you want him

810
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: to do, or that you have an idea and that's

811
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 1: gonna work. But Parsons, there are numerous ways that he

812
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: can work, and I think that's the type of thing

813
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,879
Speaker 1: that that would really turn beyond to him right there.

814
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 1: And again I would it's not what I want at ten,

815
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,399
Speaker 1: but and I'm not huge I'm taking linebackers earlier. I'm

816
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: a big fan of of circling back and getting linebackers

817
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: on day two or even early day three who can

818
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: kind of run and play and things like that. But

819
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: I think right there at ten, if everything dries up,

820
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,479
Speaker 1: no one calls to move up to ten. I'm okay

821
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: with taking Parsons right there, nothing wrong with that because

822
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,479
Speaker 1: I want to I just want to have to don't

823
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: draft a linebacker early discussion because I'm trying to figure

824
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: out I was about this conversation because I've heard because

825
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 1: I'm not I've heard not only here, but i've heard

826
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Speaker 1: it so said I would say this about Yeah, I'll

827
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: say this about linebackers and those things. I think if

828
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: we go and look and look, the Pro Bowl is

829
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl. But when you look at the elites

830
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: at the position, I think those linebackers are either first

831
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 1: or second rounders. Like Darius Leonard is a little bit

832
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: of the outlier because he was two hundred and ten,

833
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: two hundred and fourteen poles in South Carolina State. But

834
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: when you look at that linebacker position, when you have one,

835
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: they change the game. I look at I mean, like

836
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: we bring up White again. White has been every bit

837
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: as good as we thought. And I'm gonna say at LSU,

838
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: I didn't know that he could get up to the

839
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,240
Speaker 1: passer like that. But when you look at the Super Bowl,

840
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: when they run, they hit people and they go down immediately,

841
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: and it changes the game. When you're playing coverage or whatever. Now,

842
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: I will say this, if you take a linebacker in

843
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: the first round and up high, they have to be

844
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,720
Speaker 1: able to impact the game. Not only is a run defendant,

845
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: they have to be able to do something in coverage.

846
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: And if they could offer blitzability, that is that. And

847
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 1: so we didn't talk about this guy, but the Kentucky

848
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: linebacker John and Davis. Yeah, it's a name. I keep

849
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 1: We didn't talk about him. It's a name. Ike keep

850
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: hearing we did it. He popped to four three nine,

851
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,280
Speaker 1: And look, I hate to talk about the protect continually

852
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: kind of change his thing, but just look at the tape.

853
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: He is an a linebacker that is all over the place,

854
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:03,879
Speaker 1: and no one really talks about him, like we talked

855
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: about Bolten and ze Zavian Collins and those guys, and

856
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 1: so it sounds like he's gonna be a second round pick.

857
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 1: But wow, man, he runs fast, he makes plays in

858
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: the sec. I'll just I've bet Johan Davis. I've bet

859
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 1: John Davis goes top twenty. Because there's like, what's everyone

860
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: sort of like watching his tape and stuff going oh

861
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: holy cow, wow, there it is. For some reason, it

862
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 1: feels like a lot of the draft media community or

863
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: whatever was watching Zavin Collins versus Nick Bolton. This is

864
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: this feels very Vanderesh to me. I mean, no one

865
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: was talking about Vanderesh top twenty back in twenty seventeen,

866
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,800
Speaker 1: and we got down to it and it was like, Okay,

867
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: why is this happening. Uh Dane always calls an ascending prospect,

868
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, well, he watched the tape and

869
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,959
Speaker 1: he's awesome. So like, I don't I got I got

870
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 1: no buds about that. I think Joan Davis, we're talking

871
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: about him in the top twenty, top twenty five, and

872
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: in three weeks, I'll just say that Bucky, we already

873
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: we already did this argument month or so. No. I like,

874
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: I just I look at linebacker the way that you

875
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 1: were talking about running back, like I and hey, Devin

876
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: White's amazing. If you're getting Devin White, draft, signed me up,

877
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: draft Michael Parsons. But to your point, what like, what

878
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: makes Devin White valuable is that he's got freaky good

879
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: coverability for a linebacker and he had nine sacks last season.

880
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 1: So if I'm drafting you in top ten, I need

881
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 1: I need like you know, six or more sacks to

882
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: help me justify that. Whereas, yeah, but if you're not,

883
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 1: if you're not giving me that, I'm looking at the

884
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 1: list just some of the best linebackers. You know, Darius

885
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 1: Leonard wasn't a first round pick, Bobby Wagner, second round pick,

886
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: Fred Warner, third round pick, de Mario Davis, third round pick,

887
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: kJ Wright. You can find cowboys are supposedly talking to

888
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 1: was pick ninety nine. I just you can find guys

889
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,760
Speaker 1: that can run and hit all over the place. And

890
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: unless if Michael Parsons is that guy who gets you

891
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 1: sacks and covers and tackles everything, I don't hate it,

892
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,280
Speaker 1: but I just I think I'd rather take my chances

893
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: drafting that guy. On Day two, somethings were talking about

894
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: it and what, Yeah, I'm what I'm trying to do,

895
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: and having the conversation. What I want us to do

896
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: is to raise the standard in terms of what we're

897
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: doing when we're issuing out grades. So like the Michael

898
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: Parsons and those guys that we're talking about top ten,

899
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: I want you to think about when we use the

900
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: word as top ten pick, that that is a special

901
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: that is like the Holy Grill, like we don't issue

902
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: that out like we may only give out three or

903
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,240
Speaker 1: four top ten grades when we're looking at a class.

904
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 1: And so you're right, Devin White is special and that's

905
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: why those guys have to go because they check off

906
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: all of those boxes. And so really in most draft classes,

907
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: they're about eighteen to twenty two guys that are really

908
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: first round picks, right, Like, that's how rare it should

909
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: be when we're talking about it. The bulk of the

910
00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: guys are second and third round. Is that depending on

911
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: where they go, they can elevate and play at a

912
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: pro bowl level. But when we're putting that grade down,

913
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: we should be really really stingy about handing out those

914
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: first round grades because it's almost like going to a

915
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 1: beauty paget. You want them to not only be the

916
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: prettiest person at the ball, but you want them to

917
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 1: when the talent competition answered the big hard question, you

918
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 1: want them to be able to check off all the boxes.

919
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 1: And so that is what it is. Because my other

920
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: thing to this would be like, when we talk about

921
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: these wide receivers, is there really a big separation between

922
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: that clump of Jamarches, DeVante Smith and Jalen Waddle and

923
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 1: then separating the divide and talking about Eli Moore, Rashide

924
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: Bateman and some of these other guys, Like how big

925
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 1: is that divide? Because if we don't feel like it's

926
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: that big of a divide, we should always take our

927
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 1: wide receivers in the second and third rounds. Yeah, well,

928
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: look at the divide from last year. I mean the

929
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: top three wide receivers were Ceedee Lamb, Henry Ruggs, and

930
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: Jerry Judy, who were some of the vers that had

931
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: the better year Justin Jefferson, Chase Claypool. I mean, there

932
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: are guys that are later in the draft that are

933
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: going to close that gap. Initially, now I know they're

934
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: just rookies and there's a long career to be had.

935
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: But at the same time, like I completely agree with you, Bucky,

936
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: and that's where you have to make that decision. Whenever

937
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: it comes to linebacker, how big is that gap? As

938
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons j ok, are they that much better than

939
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: guys that are like Baron Browning and Nick Bolton and

940
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 1: those guys that are kind of that second tier off linebacker. Yeah,

941
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,760
Speaker 1: it also depends on how you play them so stylistically,

942
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: like I think you guys brought up. And it's interesting, Dave,

943
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: because you brought up a bunch of linebackers that play

944
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: in this scheme. Yeah, so you brought up fare Warner.

945
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: This scheme is the Seattle Seahawks scheme. Bobby Wagner is

946
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 1: the scheme. kJ Wright was also in the scheme. I

947
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 1: think the Mario Davis was the only guy that was

948
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,879
Speaker 1: outside of it. So a lot of it is fit

949
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: in scheme. And from a philosophical standpoint, how do you

950
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 1: what are the job requirements from the position that really

951
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:10,320
Speaker 1: depends and so without knowing the Cowboys front office as well,

952
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 1: I think if you can flesh that out, then you

953
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: begin to make more sense. Like, Okay, no, this is

954
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: a Cowboys pick because from a philosophical standpoint, the coaching

955
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: staff and the front officer are married. They want to

956
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: play like this, so this is the pool that they're

957
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: going to fish from. Yeah, yeah, I will say we

958
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: need to do no sorry, Katie, Yeah, we probably do

959
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:33,879
Speaker 1: need to go to break we do, but go ahead.

960
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 1: And so it's a good change. But it is funny,

961
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: like you know, when when the old coaching staff was here,

962
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: we really had this thing pretty nailed, like like it

963
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: was like a just following along with a map, you know, Yeah,

964
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: you had you had the crump trail. Yeah, you just

965
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: followed all the way through. It had partially partially because

966
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: of COVID, partially because it's an all new coaching staff,

967
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: like it just hasn't been as easy, which, like I said,

968
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: it's a nice change. But I do kind of miss

969
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: the days where like by this point in the draft

970
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 1: cycle three years ago, we would have been we would

971
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: have been like, oh yeah, okay, it's late and Vanderesh

972
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: it's taco like. So I kind of missed that, but

973
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: not really. See, I think it's more fun because think

974
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: about last year, and nobody thought it would be Ceedee Lamb.

975
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 1: Now that was also just because nobody thought he would

976
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: fall that far. There was a chance he would fall,

977
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 1: but nobody anticipated it. But even I think what throws

978
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 1: us off more this year is because they actually took

979
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 1: him last year because there was a chance that even

980
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: if he would have fallen to seventeen, the pick still

981
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: would have been Caleb on Chase on Yeah, instead they

982
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: went with Ceedee Lamb, and then all of a sudden

983
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: we were left guessing, now, let's go ahead and take

984
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,000
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985
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: kind of continue this conversation, but I also want to

986
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 1: talk about being aggressive and maybe trading up, and I'll

987
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,160
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Speaker 1: So glad you've all been along with us. David Hellman,

1027
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, Kevin kat Turner, I'm Kyle Yeomans. And since

1028
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 1: we got into one whopping question hunt Twitter on the twenty,

1029
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: I want to ask one more question. We're bad, We're

1030
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:17,680
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1031
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,879
Speaker 1: couple of weeks actually, but we got we got through

1032
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: one question today. Thanks everybody for sending in your questions.

1033
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: So Doug Brady asked this on Twitter and it kind

1034
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: of made me perk up a little bit because I've

1035
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 1: been thinking about this recently with the pro day that

1036
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: Patrick's Urtan had, with the news of Caleb Farley. If

1037
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: Certan is your guy, if he is, if the Cowboys

1038
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 1: are dead set your dad set on Patrick's Rutan, do

1039
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: we need to talk more seriously about maybe going up

1040
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: and getting him. Could you trade and this is from Doug,

1041
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 1: could you trade from ten or maybe with pick seventy

1042
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: five to try and get up to seven with Detroit

1043
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:59,879
Speaker 1: and maybe try and pick mister Curtan at pick number seven.

1044
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:06,399
Speaker 1: That a possibility, Bucky, you think, Man, I know there's

1045
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 1: a possibility him going there. Man, do do we see

1046
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: him like that? And I like him? I'm a pastor

1047
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: ten Fano'm friends with his dad and everything. I don't

1048
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: know if I see him as one did I have

1049
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 1: to aggressively go up and get because when we talk

1050
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 1: about those corners like that, Jalen Ramsey should be like

1051
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 1: the bar like he's he gonna come and when he

1052
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: steps on the field, day one, patter, you got this side,

1053
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: You got this out of the field by yourself, no help.

1054
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 1: We're gonna worry everything about digs And I just don't

1055
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 1: know if he's that kind of player. So now I

1056
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 1: wouldn't aggresively move up and make that move. So we're

1057
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: talking about if going up you take seventy five or

1058
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:47,399
Speaker 1: maybe it was you know, ninety nine. I do think

1059
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 1: it hasn't been talked about enough and obviously still on

1060
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 1: a movement and chake and gonna happen. Lord knows what

1061
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 1: Atlanta is gonna do. Carolina can still go get aggressive

1062
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 1: and get a cornerback. But Carolina and eight is a

1063
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: team who could use a cornerback too. And I know

1064
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: we've been talking about him using the QB, but cornerback

1065
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 1: is somewhere they can do it too. And then and

1066
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,720
Speaker 1: then nine Denver. I mean, I know they signed Darby

1067
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: and Kyle Fuller, but Vic Fangio's their head coach. They

1068
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 1: still might get a little action going on cornerback there

1069
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: in front of us. So, like, it's an interesting concept.

1070
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:23,879
Speaker 1: I agree wholeheartedly with the buck he said. I just

1071
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,839
Speaker 1: he's not that guy for me, Like, and it's no

1072
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 1: offense to anyone. It's just I'll set it ten and

1073
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 1: I'll still get a really good player. I don't feel

1074
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: like I need to give up inventory. I got. I

1075
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: got more work to do on defense later as well.

1076
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: If he was that guy, I'm okay with it. If

1077
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 1: I've got him circled and that is my guy who

1078
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,399
Speaker 1: won't be the number one guy on my board most

1079
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: likely when it's time to pick, especially, he might be,

1080
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,280
Speaker 1: but I kind of doubt it. Keep in mind too,

1081
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: that like trading in the top ten is a lot

1082
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:56,359
Speaker 1: more expensive than trading anywhere else. I mean, you kind

1083
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 1: of set the terms of those deals. Like, yeah, I

1084
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: don't remember off the top of my head, but when

1085
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:04,439
Speaker 1: the Bears moved up for Trubisky, they had to pay

1086
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 1: a fortune to move one spot. Like they gave up

1087
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 1: a decent amount just to move up one spot to

1088
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,839
Speaker 1: draft their guy. So it's a little more expensive. I

1089
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 1: hate I despise trading up anyway, Like every anybody that

1090
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 1: listens to me knows, I just I'm not a fan.

1091
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 1: And then it's it's not I don't I ohe. Me

1092
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 1: and Brian do this every year. Brian's always trying to

1093
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 1: get me to get rid of my picks, and I

1094
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: can't stand it. But yeah, no, I'm a pickskuy Bucky.

1095
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 1: It's a dartboard and I want as many throws. I

1096
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 1: want as many throws as I can get. But but

1097
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 1: before you freak out, before you freak out, it's not

1098
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 1: a knock. It's not a knock on Patrick's Rtan. I

1099
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 1: will be very I will be very pleased if Patrick's

1100
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: Urtan is the pick. I'm just like y'all, though I'm not.

1101
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:54,240
Speaker 1: I'm not convinced that he's like that transcendent considering. Okay,

1102
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 1: only the only nine teams pick in front of you,

1103
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 1: and we know half of them are gonna pick quarterbacks.

1104
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: Like the first three picks are definitely quarterbacks. Then you

1105
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 1: know Trey Lance and Mac Jones are you know what

1106
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 1: I mean? There? There could be as many as five

1107
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:11,319
Speaker 1: in front of you. There could be as many as five.

1108
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:16,359
Speaker 1: And so you like Patrick's or Tan, Micah Parsons, J C. Horn,

1109
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,399
Speaker 1: throw in Kyle Pitts. Why the hell not? Like there's

1110
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 1: gonna be a really great player there. And I just

1111
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to get rid of picks just to

1112
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 1: move up a couple of spots. In no way, No

1113
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:31,479
Speaker 1: I get that that makes sense. I'm not a pick

1114
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: quarter I like players. I think you have to. If

1115
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: you think about, like what your dream scenario is, like

1116
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 1: you have a handful of players that you would like

1117
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:41,439
Speaker 1: to get and you would move up to get if

1118
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 1: they are within range, then I think you do it.

1119
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 1: But I mean, look as much as we say and

1120
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 1: we break it down, it is a coin flip in

1121
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 1: terms of a picking the player they come in and

1122
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,879
Speaker 1: they actually play up to expectation, and so the more

1123
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:59,319
Speaker 1: picks that you have, yes, I just typically like to

1124
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 1: expend those picks. On blue chip players. So if I

1125
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: can get up to get what I proceed to be

1126
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 1: a blue chip player, I'm fine. I'm not I'm not

1127
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 1: necessarily about like all those laid round and all those

1128
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 1: other things Brian maybe I got. Maybe I'll maybe y'all

1129
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,959
Speaker 1: learn that in Green Bay. Like Brian would rather pick

1130
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 1: twice in the top fifty and just call it a day,

1131
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: or like twice in the top thirty and call it

1132
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 1: all to day. Yeah I disagree, but that's okay. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,

1133
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: because because in my mind, like it's the top one

1134
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 1: hundred and if you're really doing it, if you really

1135
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 1: have balls your draft boards, you'd only have like seventy

1136
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 1: five people up there, like because a lot of times

1137
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: we talk about like this guy and that guy and hey,

1138
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: he's gonna play it whatever, but they didn't day. You know,

1139
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: he's not really going to be a player. So like

1140
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: just take the good players, put them on the board,

1141
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 1: stack them up as if we're doing the turkey ball,

1142
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 1: and like take those guys off. The rest of the

1143
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: guys are not going to be guys. Like I hate

1144
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: to say it, but they're not. Like the odds are

1145
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: against the being guys. So I would rather not. I

1146
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: don't want to say this because it sounds crap. I

1147
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 1: don't want to really waste my time. I don't want

1148
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: to do all that. I want the good players, and

1149
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 1: then after the good players, I want to go play golf.

1150
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 1: That's fine that you said that, because that's that's something

1151
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 1: that that's something that Brian taught me, like five years

1152
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 1: ago or whatever. There's seven years ago. He's like, just

1153
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: don't don't put the guys on your board. And I'm like, man,

1154
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: I got this document and I just want to know

1155
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: on my board that I watched the guy on tape.

1156
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 1: He's like, no, just don't, don't put him on your

1157
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 1: board if he's not good enough. And I'm like, yeah,

1158
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: but I did watch him. And when we do the

1159
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 1: draft on day three, I would like mark it off

1160
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: as we go. But it's a difference in me and

1161
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 1: do it the way I'm doing it for a radio

1162
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 1: show or whatever and NFL War room. You know, no

1163
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 1: that that that that is it. And so seventy five

1164
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 1: is being a little bit extreme. Bill Polian would tell

1165
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 1: you that one hundred they always wanted one hundred or

1166
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: fewer on their board. Most guys will tell you one

1167
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:58,919
Speaker 1: twenty five, and then those who were scared will say

1168
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 1: one fifty. But you want to you want to skinny

1169
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 1: it down. I know you guys don't like this because

1170
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 1: you guys are in Texas, but you wanted to look

1171
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 1: like the in and out menu, Like I just want

1172
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 1: can't burger, cheeseburger, fries, this and that. I don't want

1173
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 1: all that other wager. I just don't know water burgers

1174
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 1: yet to pull off the water burger. And you're like, whatever,

1175
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 1: I could get tacos, I could get a burger, I

1176
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 1: could get a chicken sandwich I could get I could

1177
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: get butter chicken. But you can't be great. But you

1178
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 1: can't be great with all those things. You can't you

1179
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 1: can't be great with all those things you have to make.

1180
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 1: Just like waffle house. I want to go to waffle

1181
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 1: house and get waffles and eggs. I don't want everything

1182
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 1: else on the menu. By that's why you want the

1183
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 1: board to be skinny. You want skinny. You want four

1184
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 1: picks in the top one hundred. You want a chance

1185
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 1: to add four top one hundred players, not too while.

1186
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 1: While we're we're talking about it though, though, and we're

1187
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 1: putting these metaphors out there. You've always used this, and

1188
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 1: I've heard this from Jaff, I've heard this from Brian.

1189
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 1: But the dartboard. Yeah, I mean you would rather have

1190
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 1: more throws at the dartboard. But what I think Bucky's

1191
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 1: trying to say, would you rather have more throws at

1192
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 1: the dart board or would you rather take a huge

1193
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 1: step right up next to the dartboard and then throw. Yeah,

1194
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 1: but I get it. I mean there's no better ways

1195
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:18,439
Speaker 1: of hitting. You make the bullseye bigger when you're picking higher. Yeah,

1196
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 1: but guess what, even the surest things flop like this

1197
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 1: is true. This is not an exact yence. Okay, So

1198
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 1: here's the other thing. So my thing is, I want

1199
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 1: top picks, and then I'm bringing a million undrafted free

1200
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 1: agents because if you go and you study the rosters,

1201
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 1: undrafted free agents are making it at a higher level

1202
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 1: than these later round picks. And so if I do

1203
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 1: a really good job of nailing the ones early, then

1204
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 1: I want as many undrafted free agents as I can

1205
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 1: find because I can bring those guys in. They cost

1206
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 1: me nothing, and if we have a great developmental program,

1207
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 1: we'll get some guys as opposed to a just slinging

1208
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 1: it around the yard trying to get these late round picks.

1209
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 1: I will say, make sure that I get some bicy ketchup,

1210
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 1: you know, and absolutely just another reason water Burgers better.

1211
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 1: I just I, oh my gosh, I oh man, I

1212
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: would say, so much work for me to do. Now

1213
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 1: I'll get out of the Bucky. We'll show you. Don't worry.

1214
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 1: I just from North Carolina. You're not even like a

1215
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 1: California loyalist, like it's it's not even like it's a

1216
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 1: it's a cross country thing for you. Why why are

1217
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 1: you lying with the wrong Yeah, you would expect Bucky

1218
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 1: to be a cookout guy. Yeah, you'd be totally a

1219
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 1: cookout guy. Oh no, no, no no, no, no, no, no,

1220
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 1: I'm from the cookout No. Yes, okay, that's fair and Bucky.

1221
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 1: Sometimes we are a little too proud of Texas. Let's

1222
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 1: be on. Hey, I'm not even from Texas, and I

1223
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 1: will lay it all on the line for water Burger.

1224
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 1: I'm just saying anyway, I just want to stay for

1225
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 1: the record before like we're completely off the rails. But

1226
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 1: I don't think they'll make all ten picks. No, I

1227
01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: don't think so. But I just hope that they hold

1228
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 1: on to the big one. Like, I don't want to

1229
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 1: get rid of any of the at least the first

1230
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 1: three four, top one hundred. If you want to move

1231
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:09,440
Speaker 1: ninety nine, you're not gonna break my heart, but at

1232
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 1: least hold onto the top three picks. Well, that'll be

1233
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 1: interesting to see if the Cowboys think the same way

1234
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 1: as either David Hellman or Bucky Brooks or Kevin Turner,

1235
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 1: if whoever ends subsiding, it'll be fun. One more thing, Bucky,

1236
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, I was just saying, like he's talking

1237
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 1: about the top four picks. I was like, look, if

1238
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 1: they close up shop and they get four in the

1239
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 1: top one hundred and they don't have anything on day three,

1240
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 1: Like I would be okay with that. I would like

1241
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 1: to move up and target like four impact players as

1242
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 1: opposed to just accumulating stuff. And let's just think about

1243
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 1: like de Riggie Robinson pick, like coming in as a

1244
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 1: fourth rounder and he played one defensive snap right last year,

1245
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 1: and so like, you want immediate impact, particularly where the

1246
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 1: team is now. You want guys that can come in

1247
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 1: and come right into the program and make a contribution. Gosh,

1248
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 1: that Reggie Robinson picks still hurts. It really does every time.

1249
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 1: I know, but after this patch year kind of hurt

1250
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 1: me a little bit. It's just let him play. I

1251
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 1: don't get it. I agree, I just let him do something.

1252
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 1: But he didn't have it. He didn't have a preseason

1253
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 1: or a training camp. And it's not Hey, we don't

1254
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 1: have any switch positions. We don't close the book on

1255
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 1: guys after one year. I like that, Dave. That makes

1256
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 1: me feel like those. That makes me feel a lot better.

1257
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 1: But that's gonna do it for us. You're on the

1258
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 1: Draft Show. Sorry Chris being for keeping you a little

1259
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:28,439
Speaker 1: bit longer today. I know you've got a show coming

1260
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 1: up here in a little bit. But for Bucky Brooks,

1261
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 1: for Kevin kat Turner, for David Helm and I'm Kyle Yeomans.

1262
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 1: Once again, we're shifting up the crew. It'll be completely

1263
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 1: different next week on the Draft Show Tuesday Thursday. I

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Speaker 1: throw it out on Twitter. But that's gonna do it

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