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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 1: I'm Kurt Warner and I went from a grocery store

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Speaker 2: Hi everybody, and welcome back to Off the Beat. It's

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Speaker 2: me your host, Brian Baumgartner, with a little bit of

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Speaker 2: a summer cold. You can probably hear it in my voice,

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Speaker 2: but I'm not cold. On today's Get Nailed It Transition,

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Speaker 2: we got a legend on the podcast today. NFL Hall

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Speaker 2: talking football. Football is back, baby. If you know football,

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Speaker 2: you know Kurt well. He has a Cinderella story. He

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Speaker 2: Here he is Kurt Warner. Bubble and squeak. I love it,

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Speaker 2: Bubble and squeak, Bubble and squeak.

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Speaker 3: I could get every mole lift over from the nine before.

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Speaker 2: What's up, Kurt? Hey, Brian? How are you? I'm great?

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Speaker 2: How are you? I'm doing really well?

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Speaker 1: Gotta say, a lot of fans in the in the

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Speaker 4: That I was jumping on with you.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's just the Warners love you well, that is

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Speaker 2: that's very nice. Unfortunately, I'm dealing with a little bit

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Speaker 5: Uh right?

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Speaker 4: Who is who is your team?

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Speaker 2: Who do you follow? You know, that's a complicated question, Kurt,

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Speaker 1: would be a chance. I think we all, you know,

437
00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,560
Speaker 1: when you've got the dream. Like even after that one year,

438
00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:20,120
Speaker 1: I watched the draft from start to finish that next year,

439
00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,000
Speaker 1: and even though I know I only played one year

440
00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,640
Speaker 1: in college at a small school, I thought I could

441
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,199
Speaker 1: have been picked number one overall, Like right, I listened

442
00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,600
Speaker 1: for every pick like maybe, like maybe something, you know,

443
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,240
Speaker 1: And I watched through the entire draft, and obviously my

444
00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,959
Speaker 1: name was never picked, But but I believe that it

445
00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:40,840
Speaker 1: could have been in any of those situations. Because even now,

446
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,280
Speaker 1: as I look back over my career, you talked about

447
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,840
Speaker 1: confidence early on, and a lot of people kind of

448
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 1: sit back and go, Okay, how in the world were

449
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,240
Speaker 1: you so confident and you had such a belief when

450
00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,119
Speaker 1: you sat on the bench for four years, or you know,

451
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 1: you had the grocery store stand or your arena football

452
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,880
Speaker 1: like when it didn't really work out. Why how did

453
00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,880
Speaker 1: you have so much confidence? And you know, I tell

454
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,520
Speaker 1: people that they always looked at the wrong things. You know,

455
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 1: most people look at your journey and they look at

456
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 1: the down moments and they try to define you by those.

457
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,359
Speaker 1: For me, I looked at the moments when I had

458
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,280
Speaker 1: a ball in my hands. I looked at the one

459
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 1: moment when, you know, all through high school, I looked

460
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,399
Speaker 1: at the moment when I was you know, on the

461
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,399
Speaker 1: field in college, and it was like every time I played,

462
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:25,360
Speaker 1: I was successful. And so I just believe that give

463
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,440
Speaker 1: ball in my hands, and I'm going to be successful,

464
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what level, doesn't matter where. And kind of

465
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,639
Speaker 1: the hope was that somebody else saw that as well

466
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 1: and would give me an opportunity to play. But I

467
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 1: felt like I did enough that senior year to at

468
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:43,119
Speaker 1: least warrant an opportunity to get into a training camp

469
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 1: and compete for a shot. And you know, fortunately for me,

470
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 1: there was a number of teams that were interested and

471
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,400
Speaker 1: then ultimately I would I would sign with the Packers

472
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 1: and get my first shot there.

473
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Speaker 5: Yeah.

474
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 2: You know, when I talked to a lot of my

475
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 2: guests about, you know, you have something as a kid

476
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 2: that you do, which I don't know if this is

477
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,919
Speaker 2: the right word or not, but I call it a hobby. Right, Like,

478
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 2: at a certain point, I played sports, I was doing theater,

479
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 2: but I was just doing I was a kid, this

480
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 2: was up my hobby. I wasn't. There was never a

481
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 2: thought for me that like, oh, this is what I'm

482
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 2: going to do for the rest of my life. Was

483
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 2: that always there for you or was there a moment

484
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 2: where you were like, oh, no, this is it. Yeah.

485
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,440
Speaker 1: I mean I don't remember a moment, because I think

486
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 1: it happened much earlier for me. Okay, because of the

487
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 1: stuff I talked about earlier, I gravitated to sports. I

488
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,640
Speaker 1: just I loved sports, you know, I enjoyed it. When

489
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 1: I woke up in the morning. It was what I

490
00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 1: wanted to do. It was like do I have a

491
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 1: game today? It was what I woke up thinking about.

492
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:06,120
Speaker 1: And so from that very early stage when that became

493
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 1: who I was, it wasn't just like, oh, you got

494
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,919
Speaker 1: practice today, Okay, three o'clock, be ready for Like, I

495
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 1: was playing all day.

496
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,360
Speaker 4: I couldn't wait for practice to show up. So, as

497
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 4: long as I.

498
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 1: Can remember, that was kind of the way that I

499
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:23,439
Speaker 1: pursued it. And although it may not have been, you know,

500
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 1: I want to play in the pros right off the bat,

501
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,120
Speaker 1: I definitely knew that I wanted to play in college,

502
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 1: you know, and I would watch every game of the Awchive.

503
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,879
Speaker 1: Whatever they were doing, football, basketball, whatever it was. I

504
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 1: knew all the players, and so I think that's where

505
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 1: it really started. More than it was, hey have a career,

506
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 1: you know, playing super Bowls and do that. It was

507
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 1: I am going to play and I'm going to play

508
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:45,959
Speaker 1: in college. I'm going to get a scholarship and I'm

509
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: going to play in college was really where it started.

510
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: I can't think of a time going back to my

511
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,439
Speaker 1: childhood where I didn't think that way or didn't believe

512
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 1: that was going to be my career path.

513
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 2: You know, you talked earlier about people defining people by

514
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 2: their failures. I think that's true. I also think what

515
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 2: is America likes a comeback story? I mean, you were

516
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 2: stocking shells at the High V grocery store there at

517
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 2: Cedar Falls when the Arena Football League came calling to you.

518
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 2: The Arena Football League, for those of you who don't know,

519
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 2: it's a very different game. It's eight on eight fifty yards.

520
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,439
Speaker 2: It's all smaller, there's walls, there's no out of bounds.

521
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 2: My question is when you had the opportunity there, did

522
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 2: you see it as a stepping point to the NFL.

523
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 2: Because it's so different, or was it just lets get

524
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 2: let's go throw the ball.

525
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 4: Eventually I would have both emotions right that.

526
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: I was called by the Arena League a number of

527
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 1: times before I ended up signing with IOWA, and my

528
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 1: initial thoughts were exactly what you were saying, is, Oh,

529
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: you know, I'm so much better than arena football. You know,

530
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: I don't want to reserve myself to this and get

531
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: kind of lost in arena football and then never get

532
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 1: my opportunity. But then on the flip side, Brian, I'm

533
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 1: working for five fifty an hour stocking shelves at night

534
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 1: in a grocery store, and at some point you're like,

535
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: but a thousand dollars a week is way better than this,

536
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 1: And I'm playing football, and I'm at least pursuing or

537
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 1: have a chance to hone my skills, and at least

538
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: him somewhere, like nobody walks into Aisle seven and says, okay,

539
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 1: let's give this guy a shot. You know, at least

540
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 1: in arena football, maybe the games were on at like

541
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: three or four in the morning, but maybe somebody's watching

542
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 1: TV at three in the morning and go, hey, this

543
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 1: guy's pretty good. So at least you think maybe there's

544
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: you know, something out there for me. But worst case scenario,

545
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: I have a chance to take care of my family.

546
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 1: I have a chance to make a little bit of money.

547
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: And at that time, the Arena League was going pretty good,

548
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: and so you know, you even say, man, even if

549
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 1: I play ten years in arena football, you know, it's

550
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 1: probably a pretty good situation compared to getting a job

551
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,919
Speaker 1: right out of college and trying to work my way up.

552
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 1: And so, you know, I had both sides of the emotions,

553
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: but eventually it was like, man, yeah, I just I

554
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 1: just want to play football again. In my Hall of

555
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: Fame speech, I used a line that sometimes you gotta

556
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 1: do what you gotta do while you're waiting to do

557
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,199
Speaker 1: what you were born to do. Right we all have

558
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 1: that supermarket moment where it's like, Okay, this is where

559
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 1: I'm at right now, this is what I gotta do

560
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: right now, but I know this isn't where I'm going

561
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: to end up. And so that's kind of what I felt.

562
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 1: The beautiful thing about arena football was, you know, we

563
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: had all these guys that were playing arena football that

564
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: we're probably never going to sniff the NFL. They were

565
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,679
Speaker 1: simply playing because they loved the game. They wanted to

566
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,719
Speaker 1: play as long as they could. They enjoyed every moment

567
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: of being out there. And so when I was going

568
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: through the pursuit of getting to the NFL with sitting

569
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: on the bench or in the grocery store whatever, you know,

570
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: sometimes you get so focused on success success. I gotta

571
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: get you, I gotta do this, and it's and it's

572
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: all about, you know, do I make it and do

573
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: I prove people wrong or prove myself whatever. And then

574
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,880
Speaker 1: when I went and played arena football, all that kind

575
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: of disappeared, and I remembered again why I started the

576
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: pursuit of football is that I loved playing the game

577
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: and I loved being around people that loved playing the game.

578
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 1: It was not about anything else but get a ball

579
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: in my hands, and let's go out and compete, and

580
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 1: let's go do what we've always loved to do. And

581
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 1: so it brought back that love for the game again,

582
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 1: and I think it reshaped my mindset, which would be

583
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: a great thing. I didn't know I was going to

584
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: get an opportunity when I was playing, but would become

585
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,959
Speaker 1: a great thing when I got my opportunity because I

586
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 1: saw life, and I saw the sport, and I saw

587
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: my pursuit of my dreams and goals completely differently than

588
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: what that path that I was on and what I

589
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: had to accomplish and what were the most important things.

590
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: I think I got lost and caught up in just

591
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: a success part of it instead of remembering, Hey, you're

592
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: doing this because you love it.

593
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 4: I mean, that's what this is all about. You were

594
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 4: born to do this because.

595
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: When you have a ball in your hands, and I'm

596
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: sure when you're on stage, you just feel alive. You

597
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: just feel like there's just something in me that brings

598
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: me to a different place when I'm there, and Arena

599
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: football reminded me of that, and I think that would

600
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,719
Speaker 1: be a catapult to my mindset moving forward.

601
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 2: You have tons of success there. You go to two

602
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 2: Arena Bulls first team ninety six and ninety seven. You

603
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 2: leave and go to NFL Europe and ninety eight. Is

604
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 2: that or do you consider that at the time that's

605
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 2: moving up because now there's NFL in the title of

606
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 2: the league. How was that experience?

607
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 4: It was twofold.

608
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: The first part of it was, you know, I'd been

609
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: called by this coach of the European League a couple times,

610
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: and I had told him that I would love to

611
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: go and play for him if he could get me

612
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: signed with an NFL team.

613
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 4: Like, what I didn't want to do is give up what.

614
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: I had in Arena League go play in Europe without

615
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: any opportunity to get back into the league. So that

616
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: was the first parameter, and so ultimately they would help

617
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: me get signed by the Rams, and so I knew

618
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: a I was going to get a tryout with the

619
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: Rams after that was over. And then the second thing

620
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: is I kind of knew that, you know, Arena League,

621
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, is so different than the NFL, that

622
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: if I was ever going to play in the NFL,

623
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: that I would probably have to go to Europe and

624
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 1: get back on the big field and show people that

625
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: I could do what needed to be done on the

626
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: big field. But it was really because the Rams had

627
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: signed me that I was willing to kind of leave

628
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: the Arena League and go, Okay, this is going to

629
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: be my shot. Like I know I'm going to be

630
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: in training camp. I don't know what this opportunity is

631
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: going to look like, but I really that's all I

632
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: was thinking about when I was playing Arena League for

633
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: three years. Was I just want another opportunity. I'm a

634
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: better player now, I'm in a better place. If I

635
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: get a legitimate opportunity, I really believe I could make it.

636
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: So that's all I was looking for. And so once

637
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: I got that opportunity, I was willing and ready to

638
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: go back on the big field and show people that

639
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: I could do whatever it took to make the throws

640
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: or play the game.

641
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 2: You know, at that level, you get a chance with

642
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 2: the rams you make the roster in ninety eight, Did

643
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 2: you feel like you belonged? I did? Yeah, you feel

644
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 2: like they thought you belonged. Did you feel the support?

645
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 4: You know, it was up and down.

646
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: There were were moments where you go out there and

647
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: you make a throw and you'd like, yep, yeah, yep,

648
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: yeah I can do this. You know, you compete against

649
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: other guys, you show up every day where you really

650
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: feel like you belong and then there's other moments where

651
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 1: you know you're the arena guy and you're the guy

652
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: that hasn't ever played on this level.

653
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 2: And so they unprotected from the draft.

654
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: Right they would, you know, they would kind of push

655
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: your buttons a little bit to to really see what

656
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: you were made of. And so there were those moments

657
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: where you know, you kind of questioned, like, Okay, are

658
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: they doing this to push me or to make me better?

659
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: Do they really believe that I'm not good enough that

660
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: I haven't shown them? But no, I was very confident

661
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: when I got there, and specifically, you know that going

662
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: into my second year, which would ultimately become the year

663
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: that I started. Yeah, you know, the first year, I

664
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: felt confident, but it was a little different because of

665
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: where I was competing and I wasn't getting a lot

666
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: of reps, so it was a little bit harder. When

667
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: I came back the second year. You know, we had

668
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: new offense coordinator and new offense, but the offense just

669
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: really fit how I saw the game. And so when

670
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: we went into that second year, I was so confident, like,

671
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: I am definitely good enough. This is an offense that

672
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: fits what I do, so I think I can excel

673
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: in this offense. And so I walked way more confidently

674
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: my second year than I did my first year. Now,

675
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: let me let me just go back because I actually

676
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: played in the very last game of.

677
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 4: My rookie season ninety eight.

678
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: Okay, in ninety eight, I got into one game against

679
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: San Francisco late in the game, but I got to

680
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: throw like eleven passes. And it's amazing how in mop

681
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: up time, when a game doesn't mean anything, the kind

682
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: of confidence that it can give you, like being out

683
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: there and seeing the field and making the reads and

684
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: making a few throws along like that kind of settles

685
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: you into go, Okay, now I've played at this level.

686
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 4: And I can do this.

687
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: So those eleven passes at the end of ninety eight

688
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: would be I think what really catapulted me into ninety

689
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: nine with that level of confidence and belief that I

690
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: could play. Had I not played at all in ninety eight,

691
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if I have quite

692
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: the same confidence going into ninety nine when I would

693
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: become the starter as I had. And so that that

694
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: last little bit to me just kind of got my

695
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: feet wet and just kind of said, in the back

696
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: of your mind, okay, like the angel and the devil,

697
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: you know, and the Angel lots tell me you got this,

698
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,479
Speaker 1: You're good enough, and then the Devil's going, now you've

699
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: never played it level, you can't. And so that you know,

700
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: Levin passes that whatever quarter that I played was enough

701
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,919
Speaker 1: to quiet the devil and quiet all those questions and say, okay,

702
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: you you got this, you can do this. You you

703
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: know you're comfortable. Now it's you know, project yourself forward

704
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: and see if you can get an opportunity to play well.

705
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 2: It occurred to me when I was sort of looking

706
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,280
Speaker 2: at what happened there. Steve Bono leaves in free agency,

707
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 2: Tony Banks is traded, and you're backing up Trent Green.

708
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 2: I mean, well, what that tells me is, now Trent

709
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 2: gets hurt in preseason, you end up starting. But it

710
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 2: feels to me like, at least looking on paper at

711
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 2: what was happening, that they trusted you to be the

712
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 2: number two guy, because otherwise it feels like those they

713
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,280
Speaker 2: would not have allowed those other moves to happen.

714
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and I don't know if it was

715
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: full confidence that I could be a starter, right, but

716
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 1: I do believe they had seen something to go, all right,

717
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: this guy has a chance. They weren't going to let

718
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: those guys go and make me the starter like they

719
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: hadn't seen that. But you know, all year long, the

720
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: year before, I would become the Scout Team Player of

721
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: the Year. So for obviously those that are listening. I

722
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,959
Speaker 1: was going up against our number one defense every day.

723
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 1: I was running the opponent's offense every day, and I

724
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 1: was a Scout Team Player of the Year because you know,

725
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: I had a lot of success against our number one defense.

726
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 1: You know, our defense that was really good and I

727
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: had a lot of success against them, and so a

728
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 1: that would build my confidence. But you know, there's really

729
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: nothing better from a training ground for a young quarterback

730
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: than to go against the best defense you have every

731
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 1: single day. And you know, the coaches saw that, and

732
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: and seeing that, I think that gave them confidence as well.

733
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 4: Like, Okay, we've seen him for a year.

734
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: You know, we've watched him practice every day, We've seen

735
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: him have success. Not ready to hand the keys to

736
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: the car over to him because we haven't seen him

737
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: in game moments, we haven't seen him under pressure, but

738
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: we've seen enough to say we think he can take

739
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: the step from three to two and now we just

740
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 1: need to go out and get us alidified starter. And

741
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: now we feel pretty good about where our quarterback.

742
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 2: Room is, you know.

743
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think there was a level of confidence there,

744
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: maybe not ultimate confidence, but a level of confidence there

745
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: that they had seen enough to feel like they could

746
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: make those other moves and elevate me to kind of

747
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: a backup role.

748
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 2: Well, soon enough, they would have plenty of confidence. I mean, Kurt,

749
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 2: you've talked about it forever. You're in the Hall of

750
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 2: Fame in large part because of it. But just to

751
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 2: remind people or let people know what Kurt did, he

752
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 2: sets an NFL record, throws three touchdown passes in his

753
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 2: first three games. Then he opens up a can of

754
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 2: whoop ass on the Niners, who the Rams hadn't beaten

755
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 2: in This might be wrong, but I think forty seven years.

756
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 4: I don't think it was forty seven years.

757
00:36:58,960 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 2: It was a low.

758
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: It's a long time, but we had lost to them

759
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:03,720
Speaker 1: seventeen straight times.

760
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. So however many years at forty three years in

761
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 2: a row. Yeah, And he throws five tvts in his

762
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 2: fourth game, they win forty two to twenty. He goes on,

763
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 2: beats the Vikings in the playoffs, beats the Buccaneers in

764
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 2: a good NFC Championship game, and ultimately wins the Super

765
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 2: Bowl against the Titans in what many considered to be

766
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 2: well the second greatest ending in Super Bowl history all

767
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 2: of this time, which to me is so much more interesting.

768
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 2: Leading up to that moment has prepared you for this.

769
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 2: You had the confidence to do it. But how gratifying

770
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 2: is it for you after all of those years, and

771
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 2: after all of that time, and all of those different leagues,

772
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 2: with all of those different rules, to be given an

773
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 2: opportunity and to excel with a great team, no doubt,

774
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 2: so quickly. I mean it was.

775
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: I mean, it's extremely gratifying, you know. And it's funny

776
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: because I've never been a guy that plays with a

777
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: chip on my shoulder or was mad at people because

778
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,280
Speaker 1: they didn't believe in me. You know that the pundits

779
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: when you became the starter and people are like, oh

780
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: my gosh, this team's got no chance with this guy. Like,

781
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: I didn't get mad at those people. I understood why

782
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 1: they questioned it. I understood why they weren't sure if

783
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: I was any good or they might think that I

784
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,479
Speaker 1: wasn't any good because of my journey. What was most

785
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: gratifying was being able to live up to your own

786
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: belief in what.

787
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 4: You were capable of.

788
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: Like for years, I truly believed that I was good enough.

789
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: You know, my wife not a big football fan, but

790
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: she would always say, like in the early stage, just

791
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 1: when and when we met, I would be like, well,

792
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to play in the NFL, and you know,

793
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,760
Speaker 1: she would always joke, well, I'm going to be a model.

794
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 4: Like just saying it doesn't make it true. Like, you know,

795
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 4: like I don't know.

796
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:11,760
Speaker 2: If you're good enough.

797
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 1: All I can tell you is that obviously nobody else

798
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 1: thinks you're good enough, and so you know, in your mind,

799
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: you're like, but I am. Like she would ask me that,

800
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,399
Speaker 1: like are you good enough? And I'd be like, yeah,

801
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: I'm good enough. I don't know if she fully believed

802
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: it or not, but that was the most gratifying part

803
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: was all of this stuff that I believed about myself

804
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 1: year after year after year, that I wasn't just wasting

805
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 1: time deceiving myself, going oh, you're you're better than.

806
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 2: You think you are.

807
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: That when you are able to have that success, you're like, Okay,

808
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: all this stuff I believed, all this stuff I've been

809
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: working for, all this stuff I've been fighting.

810
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 4: For, you know, working through some of those tough moments.

811
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: It was, you know, brought to fruition because what you

812
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: really believed about yourself was true. And so that was

813
00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: the best part of that season for me. I worry

814
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: about any of that other stuff. I mean, obviously it

815
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: was great to win and win a super Bowl and

816
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: those things that you dream of, but from a gratification standpoint,

817
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: it was like, Okay, you always believe this and you

818
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: were right, you know, like it wasn't this ten year

819
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: path of just deceiving yourself thinking oh, you're good enough

820
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 1: when you really aren't good enough. Because I always thought, Brian,

821
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: that would be the hardest part, is right, we all

822
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 1: see ourselves as being better, oh than we are, right,

823
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: you know, does there come a point where you have

824
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 1: to realize maybe I'm not good enough, Like maybe the

825
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: reason I'm not getting an opportunity is because of me,

826
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: not because of everybody else. And so that was the

827
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: sweetest part for me, was like, oh my gosh, it

828
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 1: was true, Like all this stuff that I truly believed

829
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: about myself that was in there, and I was seeing

830
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 1: this correctly, and I stuck with it to be able

831
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: to see it, you know, come to pass.

832
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 2: But you didn't use it to motivate you. You said

833
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 2: you didn't have a chip on your shoulder, but you

834
00:40:59,640 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 2: didn't you.

835
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: I really didn't, because because again I understood, Like, and

836
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: I'll even say this, like I was not nearly the

837
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: same player coming out of college that I was when

838
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: I got with the Rams in you know, ninety eight

839
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: ninety Like, I was a completely different player.

840
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 4: You know what we mentioned.

841
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,280
Speaker 1: I played one year in college, and so I didn't

842
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: get the opportunity to do all of this stuff and

843
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: play in all these games and be in all these moments.

844
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: So you know, when I went to Green Bay, obviously

845
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: nobody wants to get cut. But I got cut in

846
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: Green Bay. And I make this joke all the time.

847
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: So Brett Farv was a starter in Green Bay in

848
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four. Okay, so that's when I was there,

849
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: and I got cut. I retired in two thousand and nine.

850
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,720
Speaker 1: Brett Farr did not miss a start in the National

851
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: Football League from nineteen ninety four to two thousand and nine.

852
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: He didn't miss a single start in that entire time.

853
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,879
Speaker 1: And so had I made it with the Packer, I'd

854
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: have never seen the light of day.

855
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 2: Anyways.

856
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: I'd have been a backup my entire life, unless, of course,

857
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: I was traded somewhere and blah blah blah. Like a

858
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: couple quarterbacks were, but I went and played arena football,

859
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: and I played more football and was in more moments

860
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 1: and had more pressure because in arena football it's all

861
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: about throwing, it's all about the quarterback, it's about score

862
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: and seventy points all that stuff.

863
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 4: So I faced more.

864
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,879
Speaker 1: You know, live snaps in that three years and then

865
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 1: you know, the season over in Europe than any backup

866
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:35,280
Speaker 1: quarterback in the history of the world got to experience.

867
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: So here I am. Yeah, it's a lower level, but

868
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: I'm playing and I'm getting better and I'm growing as

869
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: a player, and so all of this stuff that I

870
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: can look at and have a chip on my shoulder

871
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: and be mad that I had to play arena football, like,

872
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: I looked at it and said, you know what, this

873
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: was the greatest thing for me over that period of time.

874
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: So when I came back to the league, it was like, man,

875
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 1: I'm ready, I have played. I have belief, I'm confident.

876
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: You know, as you said, I played in some championships

877
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 1: that was player, you know that the top quarterback. Like

878
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: all this stuff that I didn't really have coming out

879
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: of college, I had this now, and so you know,

880
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: I didn't hold any animosity. You have to be able

881
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: to step back and look at other people's perspective, and

882
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: you know, if they're looking at me going okay, one

883
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: year in college, small school, working in a grocery store,

884
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: playing like I think I would be like most of them,

885
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: going like, I don't know if this guy could play like.

886
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: You know, if it took the guy this long and

887
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 1: he had to do all of that, chances are he's

888
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 1: probably not great. So I understood that. So I wasn't

889
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: mad at anybody, and I wasn't trying to prove them wrong.

890
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: I was more interested in proving myself right, proving that

891
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,479
Speaker 1: what I always believed in, what I always chased after,

892
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: and the reason that I kept this thing going was

893
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: because I truly was good enough.

894
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 4: To play at that level.

895
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: And that's what motivated me more than any of that

896
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: other stuff that people had to say.

897
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 2: You go back to the super Bowl a couple of

898
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 2: years later with the Rams, Now, do you ever think

899
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 2: if you'd won that game, we maybe never would hear

900
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 2: about Tom Brady again? Do you ever think about that?

901
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:36,280
Speaker 2: Do you ever think about you birthed by not winning,

902
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 2: you birthed the legend that is Tom Brady? Because maybe

903
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 2: who knows Mabby Belichick tells him to sit down. Yeah,

904
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 2: you never know.

905
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's hard for me to believe

906
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: that we would not have heard about Tom Brady, that

907
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: he not won that game. But you do think about history.

908
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: You know, had we won that game and won two

909
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 1: Super Bowls in three years, does that keep me in

910
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: Saint Louis? Do I have you know, another ten twelve

911
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: years in Saint Louis where maybe we become the Patriots

912
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 1: of that time period? So you know, I think about

913
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: my history and what that meant for me. And then yeah,

914
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: of course, you know, we kind of ushered in that dynasty,

915
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: and we ushered in kind of that mentality of what

916
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: the Patriots were and how they played. And of course

917
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, you know, we gave him number one. You know,

918
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: it started everything and started building that confidence to be

919
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: able to become the greatest to ever play. So yes,

920
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 1: I definitely contemplate history when I think back to that game,

921
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: you know, and missed opportunities on our part, while at

922
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 1: the same time opportunities seized by by the Patriots, and

923
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: and what that would you know, ultimately lead for that

924
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,959
Speaker 1: organization And of course we're talking.

925
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 2: But for your story. I mean, I'm sure there's a

926
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 2: part of you that, like I think, every athlete hopes

927
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 2: for the ten to twenty year career at the same organization,

928
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 2: and a lot of times it doesn't work out that way.

929
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 2: It didn't work out that way for you. You go

930
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 2: to the Giants for a little bit, then you go

931
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 2: to the Cardinals. But like I said before, everybody likes

932
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 2: the comeback story, and man, you had one. There such

933
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 2: a fun teams to watch, and I gotta share something

934
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:21,879
Speaker 2: with you personally. I had the opportunity to share this

935
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 2: in person with Santonio Holmes just a few months ago.

936
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 2: But your Super Bowl with the Cardinals in Tampa against Pittsburgh,

937
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 2: where unfortunately you lost, that was my first Super Bowl.

938
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 2: I was there, okay for the first time, and the

939
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 2: reason that I was there was I would say one

940
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 2: of the most sort of significant personally things in my career,

941
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:52,240
Speaker 2: which was The Office. We were the show that premiered

942
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 2: after the Super Bowl that year. NBC was airing the

943
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 2: game and The Office was on after, so I had

944
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 2: an opportunity to come and to watch that game. I've

945
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,800
Speaker 2: been lucky enough to go to many since then, but

946
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 2: that was my first and yeah, I'll never forget it,

947
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 2: and I just I've it's the only time I've sort

948
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 2: of felt a part of that big event, and so

949
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 2: I wanted to share that.

950
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 4: You're right, I was busy and I did not know

951
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 4: that you were busy. But that's cool, that's cool.

952
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do want to talk a little bit before

953
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 2: we talk about this year about your your next career

954
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 2: with NFL Network. Obviously you love it. You can tell

955
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 2: that you love it by watching you. Was this something

956
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,959
Speaker 2: that you wanted to do? Did they come to you

957
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 2: or was this a part of you just wanting to

958
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 2: stay in the game once you were retired.

959
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 4: I think it was both.

960
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: I think that the crazy thing about sports and professional

961
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 1: sports is that it's a finite career that you don't

962
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,879
Speaker 1: get to play forever. And so, you know, when you're

963
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: a professional ath lead, you don't really think about the

964
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 1: next steps, or at least I didn't, Like I was

965
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 1: so focused on being successful and getting there and having

966
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: success that I never really considered, oh, shoot, you know,

967
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: half your life is going to be lived after this career.

968
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 2: What the heck are you going to do?

969
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 4: And so, you know, as it got later in my career, I.

970
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 1: Didn't know if I had any other skills, Like I'm

971
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: not going into acting, right, I can't sing, Like I

972
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 1: don't know what I'm.

973
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 4: Going to do for the next forty years, you know.

974
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 1: But one thing that that I always kind of took

975
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: pride in when I was playing was media stuff, you know,

976
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 1: talking to people, sharing my story, and so I think

977
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 1: that communication part of it became something that I was very,

978
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 1: very comfortable with. And then I just love the game,

979
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: like I love the nuances of of football. I love

980
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 1: the team sport. I love the cat and mouse and

981
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 1: the X and o's of of football. And so to

982
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: not only have twelve year NFL career, but then you know,

983
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 1: see this game give me. I mean, now I've been

984
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: out fifteen years, fifteen more years of a career, you know,

985
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 1: in this business doing what I love to do. And

986
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: you know, I love our studio show on NFL Network.

987
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 4: It's so much fun. You know, it's a different thing.

988
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: I love calling games because that's kind of the closest

989
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 1: thing to playing because not only the atmosphere and being there,

990
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: but you know the ability.

991
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 4: To have to react.

992
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 1: Now you're not reacting in four or five seconds, You're

993
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 1: reacting over thirty seconds, but still to have to think

994
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: fast and to process and be able to concisely share

995
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: what just happened with a viewer so they understand it

996
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: and you take them into the game. To me, it

997
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 1: seemed like a very natural transition for me that I

998
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,879
Speaker 1: you know, I count myself so fortunate, especially nowadays. There's

999
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 1: so many people that want to get into this business

1000
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: and have this job, and former players that would love

1001
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: to be in this place, and so I'm you know,

1002
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 1: I consider myself very blessed to have been asked to

1003
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: be a part of the NFL network right out of

1004
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: this thing, to be able to to hook up with

1005
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: Westwood One and then some of the other networks to

1006
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: do the TV and radio games. And I love it.

1007
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: You know, every year it sounds like you love football.

1008
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 1: But every year we get to this point and I

1009
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: can't wait. I can't wait to see what happens. I

1010
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,879
Speaker 1: can't wait to watch Patrick Mahomes throw a football again.

1011
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: I can't wait to watch the best teams compete. I

1012
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: can't wait to break down the film and see, Okay,

1013
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:24,959
Speaker 1: what are they doing? And you know, is there ways

1014
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 1: that I can help?

1015
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 2: You know?

1016
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: And it's kind of ironic that, you know, so much

1017
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,800
Speaker 1: of what I do is really you know, designed around

1018
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:33,720
Speaker 1: the fans, right, you know, tell them what to expect

1019
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: in this game and show them what's happening, and you know,

1020
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: and do the color commentary. But my truest passion in

1021
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: doing this is I want to share something on Sunday

1022
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: mornings that one of these NFL quarterbacks or a college

1023
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 1: quarterback watches and goes, oh man, maybe I should be

1024
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 1: doing that or I can learn from that, you know,

1025
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,760
Speaker 1: breaking it down on YouTube and hoping it get.

1026
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 4: Back gets back to one of these quarterbacks.

1027
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:58,959
Speaker 1: So you know, there's some little nuance that I'm trying

1028
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: to to share with them that they can take and

1029
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: apply to their game to get better. That's my true pathage.

1030
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 1: I want to see all these guys that play quarterback

1031
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 1: be great, and I want to share all the knowledge

1032
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: I have with everybody that wants to play quarterback. And

1033
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: that's really what drives me on a daily basis. Even

1034
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:18,879
Speaker 1: if I'm doing an XO on you know, game day

1035
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: morning on NFL Network for a fantasy, I'm really doing

1036
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 1: that to go, hey, Tom Brady, watch this. I know

1037
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: you're great, but maybe you haven't thought about this, or

1038
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: you know, a young guy CJ. Stroud, Hey watch this

1039
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 1: breakdown and maybe you can pull some where. You know,

1040
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: one of the offensive coordinators in the league seeing me

1041
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: break down a tape and going, oh, man, you know

1042
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: we've never done that before. Maybe I should think about

1043
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 1: adjusting that and challenge what I do. And so you know,

1044
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 1: that's that's part of my love is to be able

1045
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: to kind of share my expertise in hopes that it

1046
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: helps elevate the game of doesn't matter whether it's a

1047
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: great school quarterback, a high school quarterback, a college quarterback,

1048
00:51:56,600 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: an NFL quarterback, an NFL coach, whatever that is. I

1049
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 1: kind of look at my job and take that responsibility

1050
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: with it in hopes that through the airwaves, I can

1051
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 1: have some kind of impact on the game, you know,

1052
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: similar to it to an impact that I had on

1053
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: the game when I was playing.

1054
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 2: Well, it's here this week. We're back baby. The Ravens

1055
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 2: and the Chiefs kick it off. What is your hottest

1056
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 2: or boldest take from Kurt Warner for this season?

1057
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: Man, you go try to throw me into the mix

1058
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: with all these hot take people. I try I try

1059
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 1: to avoid that hot take.

1060
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 2: I'm not a hot take person either. Yeah, all right,

1061
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 2: how about this. Okay, give me two teams this year

1062
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 2: that are going to surprise.

1063
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 4: People that are going to surprise people.

1064
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 2: Or maybe that haven't been good for a while, but

1065
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 2: they may make a sneaky run.

1066
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good question. I don't want to say

1067
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: sneaky now because like the Bears. You know, everybody's talking

1068
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 1: about the Bears now. But I'm excited to watch the

1069
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 1: Bears now, like I think they do have a chance

1070
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: to compete for a playoff spot. Like, I really do

1071
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 1: think they've got a chance this year. Caleb plays decent,

1072
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: but I just liked their team in general. You know,

1073
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:14,399
Speaker 1: I still live in Arizona too.

1074
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,479
Speaker 2: I love that. I'm sorry, I love that, Kurt, because

1075
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 2: you want to why. I love that because that gives

1076
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 2: Bears hopes fans hope, right, and their hope is going

1077
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,839
Speaker 2: to be trashed immediately, But that's okay. I like when

1078
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 2: serious guys who know what they're talking about give Bears

1079
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 2: fans hope. I love that. Right at Arizona, they have hope.

1080
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I live in Arizona, and so last year, you know,

1081
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,720
Speaker 1: coach Gannon came in last year, and you know, Kyler

1082
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: Murray was heard. But you watch the team, and I

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Speaker 1: love the way the team battled.

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Speaker 2: They competed.

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Speaker 4: Every game they competed.

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Speaker 1: They were right there and they didn't find ways to

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Speaker 1: win it, but they were right there.

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Speaker 4: So I love what they're building here.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure their roster is good enough to to

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Speaker 1: really make a run in the playoffs, but I do

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Speaker 1: believe their team that is that you're not gonna want

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Speaker 1: to play like nobody's gonna want. It's not going to

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Speaker 1: be an easy out when you play against the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: I think they have a chance to kind of push

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Speaker 1: for a playoff spot. But I just think they're a

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Speaker 1: team that people are going to go I don't want

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Speaker 1: to play these guys like they are going to compete.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna hit us in the mouth. They've got attitude,

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Speaker 1: They've got this talented young quarterback. I think they're gonna

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Speaker 1: be really competitive this year. When most people are saying, ah,

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Speaker 1: they're going to kick them to the curve, they're not

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Speaker 1: going to be very good. I think they're gonna be

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Speaker 1: sneaky competitive this year. And then another team, and again

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Speaker 1: I don't want to say that they're off the radar.

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Speaker 1: But another team that I'm really watching is the Houston

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Speaker 1: Texans that I love CJ.

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Speaker 2: Stroud.

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Speaker 1: He was one of the first guys that I wanted

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Speaker 1: to pop the tape on last year after every game

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Speaker 1: because I fell in love with the way that he

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Speaker 1: played the game and.

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Speaker 4: How good he was as a rookie.

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Speaker 1: Now they've improved their team and so I don't think

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Speaker 1: they're gonna sneak up on anybody. And they want a

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Speaker 1: playoff game last year, so I don't think they're going

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Speaker 1: to sneak up on anybody.

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Speaker 4: But that's a team that I like.

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Speaker 1: You know, when you're talking about you know, the Lamar

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Speaker 1: Jackson's and the Patrick Mahomes and the Joe Burrows and

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers and you know Josh Allen and the as,

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Speaker 1: all these great teams led by these great quarterbacks in

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Speaker 1: the AFC, don't be surprised if the Texans are right

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Speaker 1: there in the mix when it's all said and done.

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Speaker 1: It's another team I got my eye on that I'm

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Speaker 1: kind of excited about. And then you know, maybe we

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00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: throw in the Atlanta Falcons. I think they've they've made

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Speaker 1: some improvements there. Division's not great, but Kirk Cousins. I'd

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Speaker 1: like to say I want to see him with this team.

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Speaker 1: B John Robinson, a couple of big receivers on the outside.

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Speaker 1: It's just another team that I know everybody thinks they're

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Speaker 1: going to be good. But I just like kind of

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00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,839
Speaker 1: throwing out those teams that you don't necessarily expect to.

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Speaker 4: Compete for a Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I think Houston and Atlanta are are

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Speaker 1: going to be in the mix. I think Chicago's got

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Speaker 1: a chance to at least, like you said, give hope.

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Speaker 1: You know, you know, you enter November and December and

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00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 1: there's still a little hope there. And I think Arizona

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00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 1: will surprise some people in terms of how competitive they are.

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Speaker 1: I think they're gonna beat some They're gonna beat some

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Speaker 1: good teams this year.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, you and I are not fully aligned here,

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Speaker 2: but I like where you're going at with the young quarterbacks,

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00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 2: kleb young team and Arizona obviously good young team in Texas.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at the old guys. I'm looking at the

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00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 2: Kurt Warners this year, and I'm looking at the Rams, okay,

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Speaker 2: and I'm looking at the Jets.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I had a feeling those were the two teams

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Speaker 1: that you were you were looking at when you when

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Speaker 1: you said that, And I think I think all eyes

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00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: are on the Jets, like I mean, that's an exciting one.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think they're sneaking up on anybody. You know,

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Speaker 1: because a it's Aaron Rodgers. B they've got one of

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Speaker 1: the best defenses in the league. You know, we're all

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00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 1: gonna hold our breath that that team stays healthy, not

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Speaker 1: just Aaron, because I mean, obviously Aaron is the Lynch

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00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 1: Pinda all of that. You know, he's got to stay healthy.

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Speaker 1: But you know that can that team, that offensive line

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Speaker 1: stay healthy, you know, can there receives stay healthy. But

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Speaker 1: you know, I think you're right. I mean, if if

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00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 1: they stay healthy, I truly believe they've got a chance

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Speaker 1: to compete, to be in the Super Bowl without a doubt.

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Speaker 1: And so you know, I'm hoping, you know, my fingers

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Speaker 1: are crossed that they stay healthy. And man, it's gonna

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Speaker 1: make the AFC wild and awesome. You know, their division

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Speaker 1: with Josh Allen and two over there and you know,

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Speaker 1: and Rogers and then you know the entire.

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Speaker 4: AFC with like that would be awesome.

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Speaker 1: You know, you know, I want the Jets to be good,

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00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: not only because it's good for the league, but obviously

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00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 1: you want Jets fans to have something like the Bears fans,

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00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 1: like give us something like we had this hope last

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00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 1: year and you stole it from us.

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Speaker 4: And then I'm with you on the Rams.

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Speaker 1: You know, the Rams, I think we're better than people

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Speaker 1: expected last year with Matthew Stafford.

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Speaker 4: You're exactly right. And an NFC that's not to me

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Speaker 4: top heavy.

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Speaker 1: Like Philadelphia on paper, you know, have a really good

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Speaker 1: football team. You know, a lot of people are talking

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Speaker 1: about Green Bay. Okay, you know, I think Green Bay

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Speaker 1: is going to be good, but they're not a team

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Speaker 1: that I look at like, oh my gosh, they're scary.

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Speaker 1: San Francisco, of course is going to be good again,

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Speaker 1: but you just don't have a bunch of them like

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Speaker 1: that you have in the AFC, where I fully believe.

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Speaker 1: You know, the Rams are going to be good this year.

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Speaker 1: You know how good will be interesting because obviously win

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Speaker 1: a Super Bowl a couple years ago, but playoff team

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Speaker 1: again last year.

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Speaker 4: So I'm excited to see where they go.

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Speaker 1: And anytime you got a guy like that behind center,

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Speaker 1: you always got a chance you know that you either

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Speaker 1: have one or you don't.

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Speaker 4: If you have one, you got a chance. If you don't,

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Speaker 4: you don't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Kurt, thank you so much for coming on. I've

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Speaker 2: done over the last few years some work with the

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Speaker 2: folks at Good Morning Football. But I'm always in New

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Speaker 2: York and you're in LA. Now, who knows, maybe we'll

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Speaker 2: run into each other there you go. Now they're in LA.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna have to come out our direction in the hallways. Yes,

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Speaker 2: such a pleasure. I know you're excited. I'm excited football

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Speaker 2: is back. Yes, and we won't be looking forward to

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Speaker 2: hearing you and and you're not so high takes. As

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Speaker 2: the season goes on.

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Speaker 4: Who knows, But during the season I'd probably throw a

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Speaker 4: couple of them out there. But hey, man, it was

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Speaker 4: a pleasure to meet you. I hope we do cross

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Speaker 4: pass and I appreciate you having me on.

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Speaker 2: Man. Thanks Kurt, you got it, Kurt, it was so

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Speaker 2: great to talk to you. Thank you. I know you're

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