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Speaker 1: relates to long form podcasts, getting, as Charlie said, out

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Speaker 2: I'm part of it, and credit to you for doing

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Speaker 2: long form podcasting, because long term podcasting does penetrate different audiences, right,

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Speaker 2: and our show does very well. But part of the

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Speaker 2: problem of the Democrat Party that for the health of

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Speaker 2: the country, would be great to change is that Democrats

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Speaker 2: cannot survive in long form podcasting environments. Too unscripted. It's

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Speaker 1: What I'm masculine about a podcast honestly, because I get

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Speaker 2: Go into the wilderness with no rules and duel it

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Speaker 1: You're right for whatever reason, don't do it.

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Speaker 2: You can laugh, But like who in the Democrat Party

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Speaker 2: you have to show them that you can intellectually joust

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Speaker 2: I will only challenge one thing you say, I am

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Speaker 2: reaching new audiences. I'm not talking to my bubble because

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Speaker 2: our content is so appealing. It goes in a decentralized way.

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Speaker 2: And it's not just political, No it's not. But like again,

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Speaker 2: our conversation here is going to go far and wide right.

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Speaker 2: So what democrats are doing is you're still playing in

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Speaker 4: Men are being targeted by the deepest pocketed, most talented

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