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Speaker 1: Stabbings in Sam's club, fights over sanitizer, online scams, jacking

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Speaker 1: You were just hearing a fight, including a stabbing, that

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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Believe it or not. It even included a motorized wheelchair.

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Speaker 1: The place was packed, people were arguing, way, way, way

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Speaker 1: too many people crowding in to get toilet paper and

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Speaker 1: wheeled out on a stretcher after another is stabbed. Joining

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Speaker 1: me today an all star panel to break it down

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Speaker 1: and put it back together again? What is happening as

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Speaker 1: a world gone mad? Don't be a victim? Wendy Patrick,

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Speaker 1: California prosecutor, author of Red Flags. You can find her

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Speaker 1: at Wendy Patrick PhD dot com. James Shelnut twenty seven

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Speaker 1: Dr Michelle Duprie, South Carolina medical examiner and author of

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Speaker 1: Homicide Investigation Field Guide. Karen Stark joining us from Manhattan,

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Speaker 1: psychologist at Karen Stark dot com with a C. But

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Speaker 1: right now to Crime online dot com investigative reporter Levi Page,

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Speaker 1: Levi Page from Texas to Georgia. All across the country,

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Speaker 1: we are seeing fights, fist fights, and even stabbings occurring,

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Speaker 1: and especially the big warehouse sales chains such as Sands Club.

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Speaker 1: What's happening, Levi? You know, Nancy, since this virus has

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Speaker 1: Supplies are locus. Some people are boarding them. And what

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Speaker 1: happened is I think, Levi, they start banging and hitting

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Speaker 1: time less and your fairytale world, Leavi Page, I guess

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Speaker 1: you're right. James Shellnott, twenty seven years Metro Major KSE

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Speaker 1: James shall not. You know how much I appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: colloidal silver? What is that? Yes, it's called silver Solution

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Speaker 1: and basically it's just the mineral silver Nancy, And he

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Speaker 1: Walmart also say they're actively working to take down overpriced items,

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Speaker 1: up bottles that are more than twice the regular price. However,

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Speaker 1: the listings of those price gouged bottles are fewer now.

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Speaker 1: According to city officials in Kentucky, scam are actually going

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Speaker 1: door to door, you know, like the Encyclopedia salespeople or

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Speaker 1: the vacuum cleaner salesman. They're going door to door now

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Speaker 1: pretending to test for coronavirus. We learned that from our

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Speaker 1: friends at Kfox going door to door to test for coronavirus,

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Speaker 1: and I'm sure charging the people that answer when they

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Speaker 1: ring the doorbell straight out to crime online dot com

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Speaker 1: investigative reporter. You know Levi page. We are now understanding

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Speaker 1: that there are phishing scams, social engineering, non delivering scams.

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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, Levi, hold on, take listen

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Speaker 1: to our friends at j w j XT. This is

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Speaker 1: Ashley Harding. Listen Levi with a coronavirus outbreak on the

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Speaker 1: minds of many. Scammeras are now taking advantage of people's fear,

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Speaker 1: and they're doing it in some of the most secretive ways.

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Speaker 1: The Secret Services I identified three different scams infiltrating people's inboxes.

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Speaker 1: They include phishing, social engineering, and non delivery scans. With fishing,

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Speaker 1: the Secret Service said victims gone emails from a health

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Speaker 1: organization with attachments claiming to have info on the coronavirus.

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Speaker 1: The victims open diad which led to malware infecting their

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Speaker 1: systems or prompted them to enter their email log in credentials.

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Speaker 1: As scameras are also getting unsuspecting victims to hand over

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Speaker 1: money to fake charities related to the virus. Even more,

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Speaker 1: dairy bad guys are posing as an in demand medical

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Speaker 1: supply company selling supplies to prevent or protect people from

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Speaker 1: the coronavirus. They'll demand money upfront without delivering any products.

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Speaker 1: So how do you spot the scameras? The Feds say

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Speaker 1: you should never open attachments or click on links from

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Speaker 1: senders you don't recognize, and always independently verify any requested

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Speaker 1: information originates from a legitimate source. Not only should you

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Speaker 1: not open up attachments that you don't recognize, don't open

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Speaker 1: your door to people you don't recognize. That's a rule

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Speaker 1: of thumb always. But right now, when so many people

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Speaker 1: are afraid, as it should be, of coronavirus infection, these

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Speaker 1: scammers are actually going door to door to test for coronavirus.

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Speaker 1: So leavi page climb online dot Com investigative reporter, what

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Speaker 1: can you tell me about these scams? And Nancy with

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Speaker 1: a lot of those scams that are going on, they're

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Speaker 1: just flat out fast because you can't there's no door

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Speaker 1: to door testing for coronavirus. And the Department of Justice

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Speaker 1: has said that they are going to crack down on

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Speaker 1: these scams because the state of emergency has been declared,

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Speaker 1: and when a state of emergency has been declared, a

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Speaker 1: lot of laws kick in, especially a lot of antitrust laws,

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Speaker 1: and these people are going to be prosecuted to the

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Speaker 1: fullest extent of the law. According to William Barr, the

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Speaker 1: Attorney General and their Apartment of Justice taking this very seriously. Nancy,

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Speaker 1: and we know the people that offer these scams most often, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: and this is scary. It's the elderly, because you know,

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Speaker 1: they're not on the Internet as much as younger people are,

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Speaker 1: and they don't know that a lot of these things

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Speaker 1: are scams. Well, very often the scams look like an

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Speaker 1: official notice. I got one from American Express. It looked

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Speaker 1: just like American Express. It wasn't about coronavirus. It was

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Speaker 1: another scam. It wasn't an American Express, but it was

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Speaker 1: using their logo with their colors. It happens all the

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Speaker 1: time in these cases. As a matter of fact. Let

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Speaker 1: me tell you about this one. Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor,

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Speaker 1: author of Red Flags. My brother and his wife got

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Speaker 1: a phone call that I forgot how it went, that

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Speaker 1: somebody had taken their identity and they needed to come

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Speaker 1: immediately to the Northern District Court in Atlanta and answer

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Speaker 1: a summons. Well, they were getting in the car to

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Speaker 1: go and called me about I'm like, whoa wait, that's

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Speaker 1: not how summons work. This was a total scam, and

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Speaker 1: they were somehow trying to get their vital information such

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Speaker 1: as social Security credit card numbers. What I mean is now,

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Speaker 1: in the time of coronavirus, is even worse. Could you

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Speaker 1: explain in simple terms, Wendy, what it means to fish

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Speaker 1: p H I s H fish. That's right. You're exploiting unfamiliarity.

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Speaker 1: You're looking for people online that won't recognize a scam.

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Speaker 1: You're preying on people that can't tell the difference. And

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Speaker 1: as you just pointed out with the with the example

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Speaker 1: of your brother and wife, I mean, how would a

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Speaker 1: normal person know what a summons looks like if they

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Speaker 1: have no experience with the legal process. So thank god

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Speaker 1: he you to call. Think of how many people don't

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Speaker 1: have that lifeline that know, people in the industry that

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Speaker 1: can let them know truth from fiction. That is the word.

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing about them, Wendy. They're very savvy. They

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Speaker 1: know all about travel. They both you know, retired, and

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Speaker 1: they go to the Westminster Dog Show, and they go here,

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Speaker 1: and they go to Lake Place. They're traveling the world.

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Speaker 1: They know all the ins and outs. They give me

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Speaker 1: tips for the twins and somehow they almost signed away

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Speaker 1: all their vital information. And what's so tricky is these

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Speaker 1: fake emails that you'll get look real. As a matter

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Speaker 1: of fact. Take a listen now to our friends at

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Speaker 1: WG and Chicago News. This is Lord Duarte. Your phone

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Speaker 1: is one way they're targeting Americans. The other is online

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Speaker 1: domains being registered with them. Mention of coronavirus are up.

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Speaker 1: Internet security groups have already identified several as potentially dangerous,

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Speaker 1: among them Coronavirus Status dot Space, Coronavirus dashmap dot com,

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Speaker 1: and Coronavirus dash Real Time. Even the Better Business Bureau,

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Speaker 1: which has been warning people of the coronavirus scams, received

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Speaker 1: this phishing email this week. It's the worst I've ever

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Speaker 1: seen it in my thirty two years. Here to the

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Speaker 1: Better Business Bureau. Scams are everywhere right now. They're going

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Speaker 1: from you, from businesses to consumers. The emails, which to

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Speaker 1: the average person look real, come with baggage. This one

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Speaker 1: from John DeFranco and the title everything you need to Know.

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Speaker 1: It should be closed and deleted. Another one seems to

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Speaker 1: come from China with an attachment and an update. Clicking

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Speaker 1: on it gives the bad guys the opportunity to peer

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Speaker 1: into your personal information steal bank accounts, even in fact

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Speaker 1: an entire company software that's right clicking on that attachment,

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Speaker 1: it actually delivers malware mal mL like maleficent the Evil

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Speaker 1: witch or malignant mal means bad. As I was saying,

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Speaker 1: a lot of these emails that come to you look real,

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Speaker 1: and now the fads are on it, and I'm talking

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Speaker 1: about the Secret Service. Listen to CBS Catherine Harrige. The

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Speaker 1: Secret Service is tracking the spike in coronavirus cybercrime. Anytime

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Speaker 1: there's a heightened element of fear, such as with the coronavirus,

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Speaker 1: criminals are going to exploit that. If you get an

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Speaker 1: email like this, what are the red flags? The requestion

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Speaker 1: Western Union, MoneyGram or bitcoin is forms of payment. Legitimate

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Speaker 1: business will offer payments either through invoicing or through credit cards.

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Speaker 1: Hankers are also mimicking legitimate government agencies. This email, claiming

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Speaker 1: to be from the World Health Organization promises safety tips.

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Speaker 1: Agents are urging the public to be on alert from misspellings,

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Speaker 1: bad grammar, not to open attachments if you don't know

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Speaker 1: the center. Threat actors are going to take advantage of

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Speaker 1: the situation and milk it for all that it's worth.

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Speaker 1: Adam Myers with the tech security firm CrowdStrike. So cyber

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Speaker 1: criminals are working all of the angles. There are plenty

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Speaker 1: of threat actors that will use phone scams as well.

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Speaker 1: How does that work? They will call up, they'll know

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Speaker 1: a lot about you, and that will kind of build

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Speaker 1: that trust and then you kind of follow the instruction

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Speaker 1: always call back and make sure that it's something that's legitimate.

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Speaker 1: Coronavirus is bringing out not only the best, such as

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Speaker 1: nurses and doctors leaving their own families and working around

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Speaker 1: the clock, scientists trying their best to come up with answers,

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Speaker 1: but the worst. Please don't be a victim. Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories signing off, goodbye friend,