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Speaker 1: So you're felt sorry. I was already start talking about um,

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Speaker 1: we have so many friends that no one Ryan heard

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Speaker 1: So I'm glad that you're finally here too. I'm so excited.

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Speaker 1: And Ryan is that to me too. We date back

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Speaker 1: taught it. That being said, I think there's a beauty

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Speaker 1: now too. I don't ask about a lot of rules.

425
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,040
Speaker 1: I just go and do things and then if I

426
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:48,879
Speaker 1: need to learn the rules later, I do. But I

427
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,440
Speaker 1: think you're able to go into so many undiscovered places

428
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,920
Speaker 1: where it seems like, wow, this person is a real trailblazer.

429
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,520
Speaker 1: But no, no, I'm not trailblazing anything. I'm just doing

430
00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,399
Speaker 1: what I feel instead of doing what I've been taught.

431
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,359
Speaker 1: And so yeah, for me, it was I had to

432
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 1: kind of grow up real quick. I think that's a

433
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,680
Speaker 1: fairer everyone says. You know, I don't know if you've

434
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,240
Speaker 1: seen everyone's seen. It's a wonderful life. But you know,

435
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,919
Speaker 1: when he's like, you're born older, George, it's like, I

436
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 1: feel like people that are in situations like that just

437
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,280
Speaker 1: are born older lucky for them, or they have to

438
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 1: grow up really fast. And I don't know, I'm glad

439
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,880
Speaker 1: to hear that about you. It's neat to connect about that.

440
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 1: Luke Dick is someone also really weird, Like everyone with

441
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,199
Speaker 1: like weird stuff. I'm like, oh, you know, Jesse, Joe

442
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,119
Speaker 1: Dylan is another one you might want to talk to someday.

443
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 1: She's amazing. And I find these like weird people, you know, Dan,

444
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 1: weird people. Everybody's like funky stories and that's what makes

445
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 1: me feel cozy. But then, like you said, I think

446
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,479
Speaker 1: it serves you, you know what I mean, having like

447
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:52,959
Speaker 1: shitty uh situations as a kid, I wouldn't undo it,

448
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:54,879
Speaker 1: Like if I could go back, I wouldn't undo a

449
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 1: thing because I feel like I'm calmer. Then this doesn't

450
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,679
Speaker 1: seem like that big of a deal. Like I'm very like,

451
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,640
Speaker 1: I'm just having fun. I'm having fun, you know. But

452
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 1: I think that's what I have to be grateful for.

453
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,880
Speaker 1: It's like thank you for setting the ship bar so

454
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,160
Speaker 1: high that I hardly ever, like I don't even see

455
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,639
Speaker 1: it anymore. In my life is like really easy, And

456
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, God, yes, you know, do you I'll not

457
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 1: project onto you. I'll tell you me and then I'll

458
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 1: ask you the question. Because you know, in your childhood,

459
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,919
Speaker 1: you're wired pretty hard and it's hard to shake that.

460
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:31,399
Speaker 1: And that's why I've been through a lot of therapy.

461
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:35,159
Speaker 1: It's because I know a lot of things because I

462
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 1: was taught a lot of things early and not the

463
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 1: right things. So you're trying to unlearn things and for me,

464
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 1: vulnerability stuff because i'd like be right, I didn't. I

465
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 1: was the only one there for me but to shell up,

466
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 1: never let it in right, And so you know, I

467
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 1: still struggle with that now at I'm thirty eight years old,

468
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 1: I'm two months older than we're basically the same anything.

469
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, I've never been married, I've

470
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 1: never been engaged, and it's all of that because of

471
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 1: you know, how I grew up, and I'm trying to

472
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 1: undo it, like I'm gonna unwind that ball. It's really hard,

473
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 1: but it's it's like worth the work. Do you do

474
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: a m d R at all I did for a while? Yes? Absolutely,

475
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,400
Speaker 1: it was awesome. Yes you have to. So for those

476
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 1: that don't know and you're MDR maybe different than what So, uh,

477
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 1: you go in, I'll go in out set my therapist

478
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 1: and they had to keep share the computer of and

479
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 1: uh did she put things on? You did your Yeah, okay, yeah,

480
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 1: we did the ears and it's like and then you

481
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 1: talked through and you look and see things and things

482
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:51,719
Speaker 1: just like coming out of you. Yeah, so I did

483
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 1: M d R for a while. Um, you've done it.

484
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 1: I've done it, and I'm so glad I did. I

485
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 1: got to a point with my therapist where there's so

486
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:02,880
Speaker 1: many amazing things you said I would. I don't want

487
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 1: to forget that that your thing is like wall, it's

488
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 1: up to da dad, like mine is um abandonment, Like

489
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 1: I when my my husband, I have the most amazing husband.

490
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: I'm so lucky. I can't believe I found him, his family,

491
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. If he leaves town, I he's in

492
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 1: my head, he's dead, like he's you know, he's he's

493
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 1: sleeping with somebody else, Like I have these weird like

494
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 1: I need to protect myself. I get real scared that

495
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: he's abandoned me. And I'm saying that fully full frontal,

496
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 1: because I'm sure a lot of people struggle with this,

497
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 1: and you know it's a thing. But my therapist is like,

498
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,919
Speaker 1: we need to get to that, and she couldn't quite

499
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 1: get to it, Like he would leave town and I

500
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 1: would just crumble again. And even if when it's out loud,

501
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: you're still kind of like God I'm still doing it

502
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:47,679
Speaker 1: and it still hurts. It's like it's one thing to

503
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: be like I'm doing that thing that I do and

504
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 1: it doesn't hurt, you know. And she was like, I,

505
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 1: you know, I think you should do some E M

506
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: D R. And mine was this amazing woman in Green Hills.

507
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 1: Um uh. And she would put like headphones on and

508
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:02,679
Speaker 1: there'd be this noise that we go back and forth

509
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 1: d D D D D like a hearing test, Yes,

510
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: like a hearing test. And I told her some like

511
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 1: really awful, dark memories I have from my childhood, and

512
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 1: she would walk my adult self back to those places

513
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 1: and save me from that situation. And it basically just

514
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 1: is a quick processing thing. It's not magic. It's literally

515
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: like forcing your brain to process something to the end

516
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,919
Speaker 1: rather than having it like an open book. It's like

517
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 1: a unfinished business or something like that. And man, it

518
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: helps so much. I mean, it really helped me kind

519
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 1: of go like that's over. It's over. You're not that

520
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 1: little girl anymore. You're not scared, You're fine. You You're

521
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: like have a safe place to be, you know. And

522
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: I just I therapists, financial advisors, really good publisher. I

523
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 1: feel like I have family in those people, and then

524
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: I have my husband's family who rule, and all these

525
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 1: friends we keep talking about. I just feel like I'm

526
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: more than made up for lost time in terms of community,

527
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,719
Speaker 1: for sure. What I find refreshing about this conversation and

528
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 1: what I've been able to see two is when I

529
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 1: wrote my first book, I was nervous that people were

530
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: going to feel sorry for me. I didn't want that.

531
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: And I would go and I do stand up so

532
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: do theaters all around the country, and I would I

533
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 1: go and I meet pretty much everybody before or after

534
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: the show, and or I would do the book tour,

535
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: I go on book to her, and I would be

536
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 1: nervous because I didn't want people feeling bad. I never

537
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: want people feeling bad for me. It's weird because I

538
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 1: also don't like both feeling happy for me, because you

539
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 1: can't really have one, you know, there's always this meter

540
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: of where you are. You can't just be super happy

541
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 1: without having super sad, and so I I struggle with

542
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 1: any emotion at all, right, And so I was like, maw,

543
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:42,959
Speaker 1: don people feel bad for me? But I wrote these

544
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 1: stories of what I learned was with one story particularly,

545
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 1: was nervous writing my first book because before my mom died,

546
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 1: she was struggling hard with meth and um, alcohol and

547
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: all the hard stuff. But she was she was an addict,

548
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 1: which is why I've never I've never drinking alcohol or

549
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: done that because I know I can't. I would love

550
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: up to, but I know I would just I'd be

551
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: champion of it, and I'm super competitive and I would

552
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: win the alcohol contest for sure. But I I remember

553
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 1: I wrote a story in my first book and it

554
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: was about my mom and she was in bad shape

555
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: financially and she did porn and she called me and

556
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna put this out if you don't

557
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 1: give me money. And I wrote this story in my

558
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 1: book and I was like, I don't know if anybody's

559
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: going to going to understand this or feel bad, and

560
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: you know, and that was the thing I worried about

561
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: the most. But so many people came up to me

562
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 1: and they were like, you have no idea how much

563
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 1: I empathize with that situation. Maybe not that exact exact thing,

564
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: but that situation where people and I kind of went,

565
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: you know what, I think we're all just messed up

566
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: in our own way, and if we're all messed up?

567
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: Is it even really messed up? That's what it came

568
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: down to for me, Like we're not even we feel

569
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: we're messed up because nobody talks about it. But when

570
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: people start talking about it, you go, oh, we're the same,

571
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: and so if we're all the same, it's that's not

572
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: messed up. This is why I write songs because I

573
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: feel like they're most of people on this planet are

574
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: walking around feeling a ton of things and just not

575
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: l They're not linguistically structured to put words to things.

576
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: When you hear a song, you know there's a random example.

577
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm circling back, but this is exactly why

578
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: I write songs. Uh, just another day in Paradise, Uh,

579
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: what's his name? Just think about that? Songs like kids screaming,

580
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: phone ring and dog barking, the man my ring and

581
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: its tack about. I love this song. It's amazing. It

582
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: is literally the picture of a normal American life. I

583
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: had no idea at eighteen years old. I didn't have

584
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: the gifting to put together why I was so obsessed

585
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: with this song. But I now know like I was

586
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: setting a picture for what I wanted despite everything that

587
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: was going on around me. I just wanted to be

588
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: under a roof in a safe place with some kids

589
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: and a dog and it being okay that the you

590
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: know this, the biggest problem was that, you know, the

591
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: pizza guy didn't deliver the like, you know, the restaurant

592
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: didn't take the reservation. Like I had no idea at eighteen.

593
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: I think it was around where I was like, why

594
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: does this song make me cry every time I hear it?

595
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: I amount of cry that writer Craig Wiseman. I texted

596
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: him about this after How My Babies. I was like,

597
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: you set a whole standard for how what I wanted

598
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: to live and I had no idea. And here I am.

599
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: I got my two babies, I have twin babies, and

600
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: I have my babies and they're a month old, and

601
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: I'm texting and going like you literally made you kind

602
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: of made this happen by writing this song, like you

603
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: gave me something to strive for that didn't resemble my

604
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: life at all. And this is precisely why I write songs.

605
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: I love the idea that if I read about a man,

606
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: it's going to be a good man. If I write

607
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 1: about a woman, it's going to be a strong woman.

608
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: If I write about love, it's either going to be

609
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: you know, amazing and worth it and the one, or

610
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna write about making mistakes and owning them. Rich

611
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 1: as a good example of that. Like it's a it's

612
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: a silly song, it's fun and makes me giggle, but

613
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: it's also she's not blaming this guy, She's blaming herself.

614
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: Like I want to make people feel like they have

615
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: something to strive for, even if they don't know. You know,

616
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: at a young age. Whether do you know what I'm saying?

617
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: You're talking around. No, no, you're talking about it, and

618
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying, because, um, you are doing

619
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: and hopefully I'm not cutting the shortcut too quickly. But

620
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: what you're doing is what you had done for you.

621
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: I mean, you tell me, what do you mean? Well,

622
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: you like that he set that standard for you with

623
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: the songs for for what you wanted. And I'm not

624
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: a therapist. I've been a lot of therapy. But but

625
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: as you say, you know, he set that song for you.

626
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: And who's saying that, Phil Phil Vaster? Yeah, so Phil

627
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: Vaster singing that song. He doesn't have kids, by the way, amazing,

628
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: But go on and you're hearing it going that's what

629
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: I want. So when you're writing these songs, it sounds

630
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: like you're writing the types of songs that made you

631
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: feel like you were secure, resolutely absolutely every time, every time,

632
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: every day. Every movie I ever saw that made me

633
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: feel something like The Goosey is about love, Like those

634
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: are noted. I know they're in there, and they're part

635
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Speaker 1: slash Bones Okay, let's run through a few more songs.

690
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Speaker 1: I have all of them here. Let's see how let's

691
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: do some some Mari and stuff. This is uh, let's

692
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 1: do I could use a love song. Here's just like

693
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: that now. The odd thing about this song is that

694
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: it was Marin's first number one. Amazing, you know, and

695
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: congratulations to you. She should have had a couple before it.

696
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,919
Speaker 1: I totally agree. But that's our first number one. That's

697
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: a that had to be cool for you guys. It

698
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: was special because she finally did it, and you are

699
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: on that team that finally did it. I completely concur

700
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: it was a really magical thing to be a part of.

701
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: And Jimmy and I who wrote that with her, we

702
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: have a bunch of songs coming out on her next project.

703
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: We have a very incredible writing relationship and friendship. It

704
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: is a great team of people. Marin is a magic

705
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: little creature. I just adore her. Here is a little

706
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: creature's funny. Um, here is rich job. I got to

707
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: number two to know how funny is that? It was

708
00:35:56,120 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: really funny. I had had I could use a love

709
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: song in January, and I knew speech speechless is gonna go.

710
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 1: This is between and if it had gone number one,

711
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: and I would have been the first woman to do that,

712
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 1: a new woman to do that in a really long time.

713
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: And I was like, you know, And the funny thing was,

714
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: I remember the um just the inside stories about the

715
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: things that you don't get to hear the songwriter, which

716
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: are weird for for me to hear now as someone

717
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: who is you know, I'm on like a hundred fifty

718
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: radio stations. And I tried not to be the programming

719
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: guy because I don't want to get those battles because

720
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: what's happening with the programmers is it's a penis measuring

721
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: contest between the people that are running the streaming service

722
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: and Satellite and I hate each other, and it's a

723
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: whole I'm not trying to be in that right. But

724
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: I love music because I also create things, so for

725
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: a different reason. So I'm hearing these conversations about rich

726
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: and people are like, it's not country, it's and stations

727
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 1: were pulling out of it. And it was so frustrating

728
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: because I'm also friends with Marin and I'm I'm into

729
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: deep in all the ways, and I just heard being

730
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: so frustrated that it got to two. It was still thrilling.

731
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: I mean it was on the chart long enough where

732
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 1: you're not going to look back in five years and

733
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: go like I was a number two. I mean people

734
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: know the song. It was also a fourth single. Those

735
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: are those are interesting things. Those are interesting cells, like

736
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: she's on her next she's in the next space, you know.

737
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:25,760
Speaker 1: I mean they were going to pull it at thirty,

738
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: pull it at twenty, They were going to pull it

739
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: the whole time because I was seeing all the complaints

740
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: and here's what saves songs in the end um So

741
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: just because I'm just not a radio guy, like I'm

742
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: I just like to communicate, right if it's on a

743
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: stage of the microphone over his book or I have

744
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: a great platform radio, but I don't consider myself a

745
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: radio you know that that kind of guy. But the

746
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 1: whole time that song is people are like, I don't

747
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: think it's you know, product, all these things like it's

748
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: no country. But what saved it was the fact that

749
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: it researched and they would do these they do get

750
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 1: the data back and it'd be fantastic, and it's like

751
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: what you want to believe, you're fake kill Billy Penis,

752
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 1: Like you're trying to be fake country. Stop fighting for

753
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,760
Speaker 1: something against something and you're fighting against some other dude,

754
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: It's just it gets ugly. The reason why I feel

755
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 1: like I don't care is that that song has all

756
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: the structure of a perfect country song. We may have

757
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 1: put product in there, and yeah, it's groovy as fun,

758
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 1: but like it's it is a song based on the

759
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: blueprint of how a country song is written. And the

760
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: fact that not everyone is going to hear that is

761
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: totally fine. I am not from here, not from around

762
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: here like I. You know, I'm from New York, mostly

763
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: mostly from New York. Other parts of the country. I

764
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: would never I didn't live in the South long enough

765
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: to even understand what goes on down here. You know,

766
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,879
Speaker 1: I moved here in two thousand and eight, so I'm

767
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: a newbie. I totally get it. So I'm not going

768
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: to argue with putting product in a song, but the

769
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: old needs to be said that that is so blueprinted perfectly.

770
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: You know. I have the strength and the weakness the same.

771
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: So I came from pop and hip hop before I

772
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: came to the country. So I built my syndica. I

773
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: was doing pop music, hip hop. I built my own

774
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: syndication company in Texas. Um Now, I grew up in Arkansas,

775
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: so I was a huge from Arkansas. Really what part

776
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: of Arkansas central Town? Nobody knows, like seven people call.

777
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: It's called Mountain Pine, but it's near Hot Springs, which

778
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: is near a little rock, which is everything in Arkansas

779
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: is close to each from How would I know? No? No,

780
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: we were still fishing like never all the times. That's

781
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 1: so cool. Um So, it's funny that I even know

782
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: that late. I know, it's like a joke. I get

783
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: to tell at parties like, oh, my husband's from I

784
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: know where that is? Yeah, Arkansas. I played so much

785
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: ball around the state that kind of know everything. Um So,

786
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: I had a country background, but I went to pop

787
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: and hip hop and I did sport, national sportshore, I

788
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: did a national rock show. I just love music. But

789
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,720
Speaker 1: I is always the same, right, I'm the same person

790
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: on all formats and so, but when I came over

791
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: to country full time, I didn't know the rules. Back

792
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: to what I was saying, that's what has made me successful,

793
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: is it? And I was hated. I was hated so much.

794
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: I was hated, and you know what, I still am

795
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,760
Speaker 1: a little bit and I'm a really good guy too,

796
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,879
Speaker 1: but I'm still I'm still hated because I do things

797
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,879
Speaker 1: different and but I think that and what you brought in,

798
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 1: what I was able to bring in was what real

799
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: people feel, not what people are supposed to feel. And

800
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: there's a difference. There's a different than being where you're

801
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: supposed to feel you don't feel it anyway, and what

802
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: you really do feel. There are universal, real things that

803
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: are reoccurring. There's nothing new under the sun. It's all

804
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:44,479
Speaker 1: the same, like a couple of topics, you know, crazy love,

805
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 1: you know when written that record came out, Romeny came out,

806
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: we played rich and we switched around, um, we reversed

807
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 1: uh the expletive and it and I remember and texting

808
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: me going, that's funny, what is it? Say? Tis no

809
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: it it's way before it was even put out. It

810
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: was when my church was still doing its deal and

811
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 1: I was playing it a bit. It was just like

812
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: room because I didn't use anything cool system. I just

813
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: reversed it. And then you wrote Sugar, and all these

814
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: marine songs felt like singles because the record gets so

815
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: well because I listened to the record so many times.

816
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: Here's I'm not full of crap. I know all the songs.

817
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: That's the first one we wrote together. Yeah, that's a

818
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: good one. Want you still like listening back to this stuff?

819
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: Not all the songs I've ever written. Some of them

820
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: I'm terrified to listen to. But that that record still

821
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: stands out. My kids still like to listen to it.

822
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 1: Did you have Do you have any hits that you're like, oh, look,

823
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: I like that one still. Uh. What's funny is they

824
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: become something new. I haven't had any like singles that

825
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: I were awful. Like sometimes you just hide under and

826
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: just hope that the song doesn't get cut. There's one

827
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: you don't have to say I won't and it's not.

828
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: It has never been cut. But I swear there's this

829
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: time where I'm like, that's the one. It's going to

830
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: ruin my career, Like it's gonna get cut and it's

831
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: gonna make me feel so embarrassed. But like no, I

832
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 1: but they become something new, Like Lonely Eyes is a

833
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 1: song I've I liked, Oh there it is, look at that.

834
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: I always loved the song as a piece of art,

835
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: but um playing it made it different, like I play

836
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: it differently on my you know, on my little Writer's

837
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 1: Round shows, and I was like, wow, I hear this

838
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 1: a little bit differently, you know, and I the lyric

839
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 1: jumps out a little bit more after the fact, which

840
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: is bizarre. I mean, I was there, we all wrote.

841
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: You know. It's weird how music just pops out differently

842
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: at different times. Your first number one was drunk last night. Yes,

843
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: he's like bad. This is so weird listening to all

844
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: these in a row, all to it's like, it's your

845
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: life here it is. There's an audio version. Am I

846
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 1: about to get buried? So at this point, let's leading

847
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 1: up the day before you wrote this song. Well, even

848
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 1: when you wrote a song, you don't know for a while.

849
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: So because you write it and then it kind of exists,

850
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 1: and then there's this person may cut it or this

851
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: person is going to cut it, and you go, are

852
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: they really? Then they do when you wonder is it

853
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: a single? And then so there's a So we'll just

854
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: act like that's the line the day before you cut this.

855
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 1: Where were you before you had this number one song?

856
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,720
Speaker 1: Where was that like not even like literally like career

857
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:43,280
Speaker 1: in your in your mind as a songwriter. I again,

858
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 1: very lucky. My life was so shitty before that. Every

859
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 1: step of this has been kind of fun for me.

860
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: Like i' bar attended for four years. Then I got

861
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: a deal. I was signed to B. J. Hill Um

862
00:43:54,960 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 1: at Warner Chapel, and yes, it was like three year,

863
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 1: four years in, so that's kind of holl And asked,

864
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 1: that's moving. You know, getting a deal that early is

865
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 1: kind of unusual. So I was like pinching myself, Oh

866
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 1: my god, I can stop. I can quit bar attending.

867
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:11,439
Speaker 1: This is gonna be great. And I was just nose

868
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: was down, like I was just excited to show up,

869
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: and I had had a few cuts. It's like a

870
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: Janet Kramer cut I had. And then this band Eaton's Edge,

871
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: is really why I moved here. My sister in law.

872
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,839
Speaker 1: I ended up marrying her brother, but Hannah Blaylock from

873
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:26,959
Speaker 1: Eden's Edge is my sister in law. And I moved

874
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 1: here because I was like, I don't know what I'm doing,

875
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: and she didn't kind of know what she was doing,

876
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: and it was like, let's write songs. Like it was

877
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 1: really quite organic. But this was a couple of years

878
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 1: into my deal. So I don't think I really I

879
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 1: don't think I was paying that close attention to what

880
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 1: was happening. Like cuts wise, it's weird when you get

881
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 1: into it and you have like hundreds of copyrights, they

882
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: get cut quite often. But when you're starting out, it's

883
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: like you kind of have like two good songs. You

884
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: know they're not that good yet. I don't know. I

885
00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: don't think I really thought what I was doing, know what.

886
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: I think I did think what I was doing was good.

887
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 1: But it is funny looking back because that was definitely

888
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: the first one that was just like, well, there you go.

889
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 1: And I remember playing it for my publisher and just

890
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: going like, if we can't get this to cut, to

891
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: get cut, like I officially don't have a nose for this,

892
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: Like this song feels like a hit. And Alison Jones

893
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: was in the other room and she popped in. She

894
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: was like, can I put this on hold for you?

895
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 1: A young man? So it was it was fast, but

896
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 1: my nose was down. I mean to answer your question,

897
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 1: I just feel like I was really focused on trying

898
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: to just build a catalog and do a good job

899
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 1: and show up and not be nervous anymore. Stuff like that.

900
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 1: That's the thing to you go into rights with writers

901
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: that you really respect and the more you do it,

902
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: the harder it is to get into rooms. And then

903
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 1: when you do, it's almost like if I don't do

904
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: a good job, they're not gonna hand me back. It's

905
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: exactly right. Tom Shapiro was the one where I was

906
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: like I had to calm myself down, like I had

907
00:45:56,280 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: to like like I was definitely like super or nervous.

908
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: I hope he doesn't know that to this day. But

909
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: I was so nervous and I went in there and

910
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: he was just a darling, and I calmed down, you know,

911
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: but it was that was where my head was. I

912
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: was just trying to be like good at this. You know,

913
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 1: did you play that I and I'm a good card,

914
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: like I know I'm good, not in a bad way,

915
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: or did you come off as because for me, if

916
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: I get another like Comedians, I'm like, oh my god,

917
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: I need I need to act like I don't care,

918
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: but I really care, and I want them to think.

919
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: You just try to fit in with people that you

920
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: think are awesome. Oh god. I don't know if I

921
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 1: was like swinging a dick or anything. I feel like

922
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: I was just you know, grateful to be there, you know,

923
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 1: and really like when you have nothing going on, You're

924
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: kind of like, why am I here? Like who? You know,

925
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: what did someone have to do to get me in here?

926
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: At that point? You know, But then you know, you

927
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: kind of gather it gathers some moss over time, people like, oh,

928
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,439
Speaker 1: I heard a lot about you so, and I write

929
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: was so and so. And Bob Dapiro was one, like

930
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: he had hurt. You know, she's pretty good. I should

931
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: write with her. And it was like that starts happening,

932
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, okay, I got a little a

933
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,399
Speaker 1: little rep going, you know. I mean, it's bizarre. It's

934
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: such a small town. And even if you if someone's

935
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: screaming your name like you're the most amazing thing that's

936
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: ever happened, they will forget about that in a month.

937
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: So it does genuinely take like ten years to like

938
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: have a name that isn't just flavor of the day,

939
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: you know, because there are so many flavors of the day.

940
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: And it's even with artists. For me, like, somebody gets

941
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: a hit, right, okay, and I know it's cool to

942
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: have a hit, but okay, show me a second or

943
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: third one, because there are so many artists that have

944
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 1: one hit, Yes, there are. And when you get one

945
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: hit and you get really cocky and arrogant, it's like

946
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: you have no idea. Man like this town eats people

947
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 1: up like you all the time. One one hit, give

948
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: me two, that's funny. There's a couple of writers I

949
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: remember writing with who um had just a little bit

950
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 1: going on, and all of a sudden they were like

951
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: Mr Teacher Town, you know, going like, you don't want

952
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: to do that, let me tell you what. And I

953
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: remember going like, take notes, never do this. I don't

954
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: care how fucking big you get, no matter how many

955
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 1: songs you have. Don't treat people like they don't know

956
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: what they're doing, because they're bringing a component. That's what

957
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 1: co writing is. They're bringing a component that you cannot provide.

958
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: There is a reason why they're there. And if there

959
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 1: isn't a reason, then don't fucking ride with them. But like,

960
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: if there is anything to give here, like don't condescend,

961
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: you know, And everyone's at different places. I remember the

962
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: first time I wrote with them. It wasn't the first time.

963
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: It was a couple of times. Mark D. Sanders I

964
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: got to write with him and he did this thing.

965
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: But this terrible idea I had. I can't believe he

966
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: even wrote with me. My idea was awful. It was

967
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 1: like I think the word like palmart, card and Walmart

968
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 1: were rhyming, like it was so embarrassing, like in retrospect.

969
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 1: But I was like, I know that. And he did

970
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: this trick that I do all the time now, where

971
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: sequentially he's sir, go back to the to the first

972
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: first conceptually, so it's like we went through the song,

973
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: You're in the story, it's moving along, and then all

974
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you were physically back where it began.

975
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 1: And I was like, how did you do that? And

976
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: I meant it. I was like, what did you just do?

977
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: And he was like, well, that's why they pay me

978
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: the big month. Like he's so adorable. He's a good

979
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 1: friend of mine. But he was really sweet and kind

980
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: about my lack of knowledge about that. It's a trick

981
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 1: everybody uses. I just hadn't seen it before. And I

982
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 1: think about that all the time when I'm writing with

983
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,959
Speaker 1: someone who's a little more new here or a little green,

984
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: your tricks are mind boggling. At this point, you're helping

985
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 1: them learn these little things that and condescending being condescending

986
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: about that can just it shuts me down. I don't

987
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 1: do like mean, I just don't you don't like mean.

988
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: The thing about that too, is that because do she

989
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:54,240
Speaker 1: people really irritate me when it comes to uh learning,

990
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: doing something new. You're working. But people took chances on

991
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: me and taught me and and sat with me and

992
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 1: showed me things. And how am I not going to

993
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: repay that? Like that's how if it weren't for people

994
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 1: like you say, doing what he did with you. I

995
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 1: want to be here in a lot of ways, definitly

996
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: not definitely not. And the fact that this is I mean,

997
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 1: there are different businesses, art businesses where you're you know,

998
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,320
Speaker 1: your main thing is like in the next five years,

999
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 1: Like if you got to get it going in the

1000
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,240
Speaker 1: next five years, that is not the case for this business.

1001
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: This is a lifelong thing. And it is very sobering

1002
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 1: and also awesome to remember that at the Hall of

1003
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:38,760
Speaker 1: Fame dinner every year. I don't know any of those people.

1004
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,439
Speaker 1: I I don't know any like I don't I only

1005
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: know a handful of the songs that's gonna be me

1006
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: in forty years, Like there's gonna be a bunch of

1007
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:50,280
Speaker 1: young people that have no idea they might have remember

1008
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: speechless like they might, but like it's going to be

1009
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 1: like who is she? And if they're awesome enough to

1010
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 1: show up and watch my little presentation about how I

1011
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:01,760
Speaker 1: had an awesome career and I made a lot of friends,

1012
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: Like then I won. You know what I mean? Well,

1013
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:09,240
Speaker 1: you'll be in your gold hovercraft. Who speaks th money fly? Yeah,

1014
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 1: your Unicorn I've had Unicorn were a couple of other

1015
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 1: songs real quick. This is a weed whiskey and willing

1016
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: from Brother's Osborne. I love those guys. God, they're the best.

1017
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,320
Speaker 1: I've always said about them, and again this is always

1018
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: it always circles back to the fact that I had

1019
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: no community as a child. But when I think of

1020
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: someone I could call if someone broke into my house,

1021
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: those fucking boys would come beat the fucking ship out

1022
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 1: of someone for me because they love so hard, they

1023
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: are so real. They're again, give zero ships. I just

1024
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: love these people. I love people like them. They're amazing

1025
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: and Lucy, that whole community is just magic. Yeah. I

1026
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: tried as as I could to come here and not

1027
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,760
Speaker 1: be close to anyone because I wanted to be objective.

1028
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 1: That's nothing gonna be objective. I would make no friends,

1029
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 1: screw the world I want to have. I want my

1030
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: opinion to be pure. But you meet people like John A. T. J.

1031
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 1: And you go, well, just this one, Like then there

1032
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: have been a few dirks, Ryan, you're naming all my faiths,

1033
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: Like like, why would I keep something out of my

1034
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: life that could actually make it a bit better? Yes,

1035
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: like I called dark right now and he'd answers, flip

1036
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: phone and in a camper and still he would. You know,

1037
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 1: but those John had I was I did this TV

1038
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: show Dancing with the Stars, Um last you won? Didn't she?

1039
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: I don't watch TV. But someone was like he won,

1040
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 1: and I was like it's crazy because I'm not good congratulation.

1041
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:53,240
Speaker 1: My point is John and T's mom was a huge

1042
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: fan of that show, huge fan. And also she was

1043
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 1: a big fan of the radio show and because they

1044
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 1: would listen before she moved down here up in near DC,

1045
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 1: and so she was a big fan of both right,

1046
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 1: and when she heard I was going on, was like

1047
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: her two worlds were combining. And and so John text

1048
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: me like, my mom's having seventy birthdays. This is like

1049
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 1: three weeks ago, I was doing dancing with this I

1050
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: was on the stage in a full outfit about to

1051
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: walk out, and I get to the text from Johnny's

1052
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 1: like I never told the story. He won't care. He's like,

1053
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: my mom's turning seventy, dude, can you make me a video?

1054
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: And because we're gonna surprise her with this video, and

1055
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: I'm in full dancing with this or like total cowboy

1056
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: had everything, and I was like, I'm about to go

1057
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: dance right now, Happy birthday. But I was so happy

1058
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,720
Speaker 1: to do it because those guys are They're such good dudes.

1059
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: They are like normal humans who also play music completely

1060
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,720
Speaker 1: music well, wonderful, and they are uncorruptible, if that's a word.

1061
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 1: There is nothing this industry can do to them that

1062
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: would turn them into dicks. Like there's nothing that can happen.

1063
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: There are lots of people can turn into dicks. People

1064
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,240
Speaker 1: turn to dicks and then they come back. That happens

1065
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: a lot, and I think it probably happened to me

1066
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 1: a little bit too. It happens, that's the thing. But

1067
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: like they were, they just don't corrupt. It's just not

1068
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: how they roll the rebab and kill me. Yet, Oh

1069
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 1: why why laugh at that? I'm laughing because me and

1070
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: Tommy Leeina, Tommy Lee, James Uh. We wrote this song

1071
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 1: because she had a show, another like a series, you

1072
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: know her like Reba shows. We wrote this as a

1073
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 1: kind of a Reba parody to be her theme song

1074
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 1: for this show. And then three years later she cut

1075
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: it for her record and it was just this full

1076
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: like that was an impression of Reba and here we

1077
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 1: are she actually cut it. It was so it was

1078
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 1: such a good impression, that is, she identified with it. It

1079
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 1: It made us feel so good. It was like, but

1080
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 1: it was so it was like a mirror facing a mirror. Amazing,

1081
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like it was a little inception.

1082
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: That's funny. That's cool. It's also cool to have, Oh

1083
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: my god, all other things aside, like it's freaking Reba. No,

1084
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 1: my bio always ends with and Queen Reba, like she

1085
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,359
Speaker 1: gotta like you know, it is a thing. You're absolutely right.

1086
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 1: There's there's a few people. George straight be one. If

1087
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 1: I ever got if that ever happened. Kenny is another one.

1088
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 1: If I, oh god, I would just die if I

1089
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 1: got a Kenny cut. That's it. That's doable, though I

1090
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,919
Speaker 1: wanted to happen so that I don't know he's We've

1091
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 1: had like a a momentary hold. I've never connected a

1092
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 1: song of mine with him yet, and I literally like

1093
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: it's a it's a big goal. That would be huge

1094
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:25,280
Speaker 1: because I just feel like he cuts timeless but also

1095
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: relevant to the time, and they're always the quality is

1096
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 1: always so good. And I mean as recently as his

1097
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 1: lad he's amazing. It just goes so far back and

1098
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: he's still cutting songs where you're like, God, I felt

1099
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 1: with Kenny he appreciate songwriters and he is one, which

1100
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 1: is a stunning combination. I mean just he could cut

1101
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: only his own song and he could and he doesn't.

1102
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 1: He doesn't and and that's a big appreciation, Yeah, because

1103
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 1: he could, and you know what, he could probably make

1104
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:55,800
Speaker 1: him Oh man, it's Kenny Jessney. Like if it's close,

1105
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 1: he wins because he deserves it. At this point, American

1106
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: Kids was the one where I was just like, shut

1107
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:03,399
Speaker 1: the front door, what the fund is happening right now?

1108
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 1: Like how did you? That is such a timeless song.

1109
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: I've I've like kissed the ground that song has walked on.

1110
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 1: I just think it's magic and he made it magic.

1111
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: That production on it is perfect and it's just and

1112
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:17,919
Speaker 1: his career goes back like thirty years. That's crazy. Yeah.

1113
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 1: The Kenny and the mcgrawl stuff is wild to me

1114
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 1: because they've been artists who have done fifteen years and

1115
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: then um it's not worked out and they're retired and

1116
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: they're considered legends. These two are still contemporary. It's insane

1117
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 1: to where they're not as considered as legendary with bigger

1118
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: careers because they're still going, which is a weird thing

1119
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 1: because you would think they would be more loved and

1120
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 1: they are loved that you think they'd be more celebrated

1121
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 1: as a legend because they are still going. But a

1122
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 1: bit and I was saying this about mgrawl because I

1123
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:48,720
Speaker 1: remember being a ninth grade listen to McGraw. Tim McGraw

1124
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 1: is just seen as one of the big country stars

1125
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: right now, superstar. If he had quit ten years ago

1126
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: and then come back, it had been like the legend.

1127
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 1: Tim McGraw is back, we can't bother that. But because

1128
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: he's been so good to say relevant, he doesn't get

1129
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 1: that legendary credit yet And then that that's not even me.

1130
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 1: It's amazing. It reminds me of Stephen Tyler. Like vocally,

1131
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: I you know. I was always just like, how is

1132
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 1: it that this man still feels underrated? I'm so confused, Like,

1133
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: as a vocalist, how do I how are you not

1134
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: getting even though you're a monster? Stars like Aerosmith for

1135
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: life every it's crazy, they're like legendary, and yet I

1136
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: still feel like people are not listening to how brilliant

1137
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: his vocal is, Like brilliant, But it's probably because of

1138
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 1: what you just said that he never goes away away,

1139
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: so you don't have time to really appreciate how amazing

1140
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 1: it was because we don't even let's take a step

1141
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 1: out of music for a second. We don't really appreciate

1142
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 1: things as is until they're not around anymore. Just generally speaking,

1143
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 1: it sucks. It's a sucky thing about us because it's

1144
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 1: like we wish we knew when the good old times

1145
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 1: were happening, because then we know that we're in the

1146
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 1: middle of the good old age, but we don't until

1147
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 1: it's over, so that think it's a life thing. But

1148
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 1: because us with it never went away, you really don't.

1149
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: When he died, we're gonna go, oh my god, how

1150
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 1: amazing with Steven Tyler, hold on my soul. I'm a big.

1151
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 1: I've only peeked out like three times ever. And when

1152
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 1: he came into the show, um, I was like, this

1153
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 1: is crazy. This is like as far as American rock

1154
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: stars just epic. Ryan and I wrote with him, now

1155
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 1: that would be one where would be like, holy crap.

1156
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 1: We were so nervous just staring just look and you did. God.

1157
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 1: I didn't know what to do. Ryan and I both

1158
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 1: were just like, you're fucking that was this real? It's

1159
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: it was a bizarre day. But I remember like I

1160
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 1: didn't pee, I didn't eat. I was just and he

1161
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 1: didn't eat or pe either. So I just felt like

1162
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 1: we were just listening to a story that never stopped

1163
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 1: for like twelve hours and it never ended. It never ended.

1164
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 1: He had so many stories and he just went on

1165
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: and on it. He doesn't mind sharing them. All the

1166
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: deeds and he's Steven like seventy now right, but he

1167
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 1: doesn't act it. He's still a bit Peter pan. Oh. Yeah.

1168
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: I think you grow to where you have to grow.

1169
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 1: He hasn't had to grow in a lot of ways.

1170
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 1: So much energy, so nice doesn't have to be. I mean,

1171
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: he was really gracious with two like little idiots, and

1172
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 1: honestly neither of us had anything going on. He was

1173
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 1: probably like, why am I in here? I mean he

1174
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 1: told the story. Um, we were. I was asking about

1175
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: Queen because I was like, to me, there are a

1176
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 1: couple of artists that transcend time where if they started

1177
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 1: new right now, they would still be fantastic. God, I

1178
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: love you. I love that you said that there are

1179
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 1: a few, and Queen as one. Yeah. I think, uh,

1180
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 1: Biggie would be one because his his his style was

1181
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 1: so different than I think if he came out and

1182
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 1: he was he was new, he would be like, oh,

1183
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 1: this new rapper is good because it was time. You know. Obviously,

1184
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 1: sonically a lot of trends exchange. Um and I bovited

1185
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: the Biggie styles more contemporary of the Tupax, even though

1186
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 1: TUPAC is more culturally relevant at the time. Interesting. But

1187
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: I think if you took Biggie and I've always said

1188
00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: about Queen, if you put them out right now, they're

1189
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 1: so different and so good, they would they would just

1190
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 1: be a cutting edge rock band right now, which is crazy.

1191
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: We weren't even born when they were. But he was

1192
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: telling the story. I'll kind of wrap this up. He

1193
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 1: was telling the story about how Freddie Mercury was on

1194
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 1: the front of their bus. They were kind of a

1195
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 1: big deal and Queen really wasn't and Freddie Mercury was

1196
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 1: on sleeping in the front of their tour bus. And

1197
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, I'm with a human and

1198
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 1: this is way before the movie and you know, the

1199
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 1: new generation was reintroduced to Queen. But yeah, he was

1200
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 1: so generous with his stories and also I think he

1201
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 1: liked telling him. Yes, I think so too. Yeah, it

1202
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 1: was like a museum. I was like, it was like

1203
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 1: the human Museum. Human museum. Amazing. All right, we've done

1204
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 1: an hour here. Um, I want to play one more thing.

1205
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 1: Do we have um of her singing the back the

1206
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 1: background vocals on what Marin song? Did you sing back?

1207
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 1: Hold on average right here a hero? Do you have that?

1208
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 1: I don't have you saying background in hero on the record?

1209
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: On a bunch of stuff? What did I sing on?

1210
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 1: I sing on Rich? Rich is my Those are my background? Oh? Really?

1211
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 1: Tuty is her? I'm trying to think of the one

1212
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: that was, Oh you do us? I thought that was married.

1213
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 1: I was like, you got married. He was like, no,

1214
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 1: that's not. Yeah, He's like, yeah, that makes me excited.

1215
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 1: That's quickly, let's talk about Ryan's app. Let's come back

1216
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 1: to that real quick you mentioned earlier. We want to

1217
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 1: come back to Ryan's Oh thank you for circling back. Okay,

1218
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 1: it's like a songwriter trick. I just taught you. You

1219
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 1: just teaching me the ways, like taking notes. Um he

1220
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 1: you know, when I met him, I'm so gonna he's

1221
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 1: gonna kill me a little bit. But when I met him,

1222
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 1: he was like doing I T work. He was kind

1223
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 1: of like like total like kind of a nerd. Still hot.

1224
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a hot guy, but kind of like

1225
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 1: in this way where it's like he had no idea,

1226
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 1: no one was really paying much attention. It's just like

1227
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:46,439
Speaker 1: who's that secretly hot guy? And then I would dare him.

1228
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, so so when you do in the Rerecorde

1229
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 1: deal thing like who who's offered this week? And I

1230
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 1: was joking with him because he's such a quiet and

1231
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 1: sort of private person and I was just like, I'm

1232
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 1: never doing that ever, that's the worst. And he was like,

1233
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 1: I'm neither of mine, neither of I. And I was like,

1234
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:04,920
Speaker 1: so how many record deals you get this week? You know,

1235
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 1: teasing him, and then he got the record deal, and

1236
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 1: I was just like, of course, you know, it's like

1237
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 1: it's a no brainer. Your voice is magic and you

1238
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 1: look like this and you know. And then we were

1239
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 1: at a party at he he had this teeny wheenie house.

1240
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:19,439
Speaker 1: Did you ever go to his little teeny wheenie house.

1241
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 1: He has this little house um that he lived in

1242
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 1: before they moved into their their house. And by the

1243
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 1: bathroom there was this bookshelf and I wasn't He was

1244
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 1: a party at his house and Marin was there. Everyone

1245
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 1: was there, and I've been making fun of his, like

1246
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 1: his abs, because he started getting so strong and looking

1247
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 1: really good. And I'm in line at the at the

1248
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 1: bathroom and there's this book that's like you know what

1249
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 1: was it called like Epic ABS or something so dumb.

1250
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 1: And I had a friend. I was like, would you

1251
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 1: do me a favor? I'm like, would you just throw

1252
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 1: this book in front of Ryan on your way out? Like?

1253
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 1: And he someone through the book in front of and

1254
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 1: he knew that I was making in front of him.

1255
01:02:57,840 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 1: It's just so funny. And now we have this email

1256
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 1: change he subscribes to anarchy ABS. I don't know if

1257
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 1: you do. Maybe I should sign up. It is so

1258
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 1: hilarious the way they talk about like, I mean, it's

1259
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 1: so dumb and so funny. And every now and then

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Speaker 1: he'll send me an ab thing and then I'll send

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Speaker 1: him an app. It's always about apps. We're constantly talking

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Speaker 1: about him. I wear this chain. I haven't I ever

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Speaker 1: took it off freak here, I don't. I always though

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Speaker 1: I'm not cool enough to wear a chain. He always

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Speaker 1: wear chains. He's like, dude, you cool enough. So I

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Speaker 1: have a chain that I wear like five days a

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Speaker 1: week because I'm like, dude, I'm just wearing it because

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Speaker 1: you said it was cool, Like I'm just trying to

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Speaker 1: be cool man like you. He really has no problem

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Speaker 1: with the cool. He's all the cool. I appreciate you

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Speaker 1: coming about I hope this is cool for you. So

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Speaker 1: grateful that I got to do this, and I'm so

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Speaker 1: happy to finally meet you. I feel like I've heard

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Speaker 1: such amazing things. Thank you so much for having me. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this has been probably cooler for me than you have

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Speaker 1: a really rich friend. Now that speechless great. I got

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Speaker 1: three of them, now, I've got I've got all three

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Speaker 1: except for the fourth one. Say who wrote Jordan Reynolds.

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Speaker 1: If I'm friends, I got the whole and he produced

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Speaker 1: the record, so he's even rich. He's gonna be months man.

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Speaker 1: He's moving to Franklin any day now. Look, well, I

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Speaker 1: appreciate you coming by. Thank you so much. This has

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Speaker 1: been a great when this episode, and thanks to our sponsors,

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Speaker 1: and check out all these songs and more. And when

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Speaker 1: Marion's record comes out her new records, you got some

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Speaker 1: on that, huh. By the way, tonight, this will be

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Speaker 1: put up in a couple of days, but tonight I

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Speaker 1: think that record goes up on Bret sale way so

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Speaker 1: tomorrow actually, but at midnight tonight, so people likely see

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Speaker 1: all the tracks, all everything five one, so excited. They

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Speaker 1: already talking about singles like two and three and four

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Speaker 1: in things chat. But I don't believe anything until it happens.

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Speaker 1: Although Marin's really uh, she stays on track with her plan.

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Speaker 1: She has a plan, you know. But one of the

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Speaker 1: songs is coming out as like one of those rollout

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Speaker 1: songs on the twenty second, like one of the instant

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Speaker 1: grat songs. All right, Well, that that'll wrap it up.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Mike Deep, thank you, thank you. All right, we'll

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Speaker 1: see you next time, by everybody,