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Speaker 2: let's start with Chase of the Afterlife with the Sandra Champlain.

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Speaker 3: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. Hi,

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Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been

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Speaker 3: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.

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Speaker 3: On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know

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Speaker 3: that our loved ones have survived physical death and so

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Speaker 3: will we Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. We often

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Speaker 3: hear near death experience stories where people witness floating up

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Speaker 3: out of their body, where people see themselves being worked

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Speaker 3: on by hospital staff. Where people see their deceased loved

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Speaker 3: ones after the near death experience, it completely changes their

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Speaker 3: life forever. It is rare to have all of them

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Speaker 3: in one near death experience. I want to share with

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Speaker 3: you now a conversation I had with Karen blance Thomas,

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Speaker 3: and be sure to stay till the end because she's

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Speaker 3: got some powerful words of wisdom. I know you'll really

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Speaker 4: My near death experience was so long ago, it was

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Speaker 4: thirty five years ago. At that time, I was just

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Speaker 4: a young mom, fairly young. I was thirty two and

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Speaker 4: I had moved from our home in upstate New York

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Speaker 4: And at just about the point where I would be

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Speaker 1: Stay right there, there's more Sandra coming right out. Take

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra's Champlaine.

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Speaker 3: We are with Karen Blantce Thomas hearing her near death experience,

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Speaker 3: one of the most extraordinary ones I've ever heard. Let's continue.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sander Champlain

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Speaker 3: and this is a story about a near death experience

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Speaker 4: A lot of what I had firmly believed and thought

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Speaker 4: Since I've found ions International Association for Near Death Studies,

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Speaker 4: it's been very different for me. A lot of things

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Speaker 3: When you had your experience, how clear was your vision

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Speaker 4: Extremely clear, much more clear. I'm a person who's been nearsighted.

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Speaker 4: The ability to almost be able to look through a microscope.

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Speaker 4: Like when I was told to pay attention to this man,

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Speaker 3: Here, you tell this story like it happened yesterday. How

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Speaker 4: Definitely more clear than pretty much anything else, because it's

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Speaker 4: you tell it, a portion of your consciousness is literally

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Speaker 4: reliving it, and it's that detailed. Whereas if you asked

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Speaker 4: me if I went into the hospital that I worked

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Speaker 4: in Anchorage, which direction would I turn to go to

439
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Speaker 4: the physical therapy department that I worked in thirty five

440
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Speaker 4: years ago, I literally could not tell you that it's

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Speaker 4: on a totally different plane of memory than any other experience.

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Speaker 4: One of the things that's recently happened because of my

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Speaker 4: interaction with some of the scientists and researchers in near

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Speaker 4: death experiences and people who have spoken at the conferences,

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Speaker 4: there's a great deal of study that's been going into

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Speaker 4: where does the consciousness that happens in a near death

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Speaker 4: experience come from? If the brain is not functional, and

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Speaker 4: if you accept the scientific explanation that all consciousness is

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Speaker 4: produced by the brain, how is that possible? In thinking

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Speaker 4: about that in depth, I realized that when I became

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Speaker 4: conscious in the recovery room, my memory of what had

452
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Speaker 4: just taken place with my near death experience was crystal clear,

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Speaker 4: was just absolutely right there. Plus with that whole bubble

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Speaker 4: of love and peace. My consciousness of myself, my physical body,

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Speaker 4: and what had just taken place was very muddled because

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Speaker 4: I was coming out of anesthesia. I was so muddled

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Speaker 4: that I knew I was in the hospital. I knew

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Speaker 4: that I was in a recovery room, but I wasn't

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Speaker 4: sure what had happened to me that made me be

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Speaker 4: in the hospital and in a recovery room. I wasn't

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Speaker 4: remembering that my back was being operated on because I

462
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Speaker 4: had a ruptured disc and I had a big bloated

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Speaker 4: stomach with staples all down the front of it, and

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Speaker 4: another fascinating thing. For a long time after my near

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Speaker 4: death experience, I was trying to fit a square peg

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Speaker 4: into a round hole in terms of trying to fit

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Speaker 4: my experience into classical traditional Christianity. Time I was in

468
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Speaker 4: church and there was scripture relating to punishment in hell

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Speaker 4: or sin and punishment and judgment, all of those things,

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Speaker 4: I would have a sensation of grating against my spirit

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Speaker 4: of this is not what I truly experienced. It was

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Speaker 4: really difficult. I knew God was real, I knew Jesus

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Speaker 4: was real, but I also knew that messages that were

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Speaker 4: being presented as representing God and Jesus were not what

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Speaker 4: I had actually experienced of being in that afterlife. I

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Speaker 4: had a very hard time with that, and I began

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Speaker 4: to turn to learning other forms of spirituality and looking

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Speaker 4: at other faiths and looking at what were the foundational

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Speaker 4: truths that were present in all different areas and what

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Speaker 4: things were not the same. For a while, I stepped

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Speaker 4: away from the church completely, which was really difficult for

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Speaker 4: my family and for my marital relationship. Statistics show the

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Speaker 4: seventy some percent of people who are married when they

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Speaker 4: have a near death experience end up in divorce, and

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Speaker 4: that's because you truly are a different person than the

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Speaker 4: person that they chose to marry. Are there elements of

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Speaker 4: who you are that remain that are solid enough to

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Speaker 4: keep a relationship together or not depends on the individual,

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Speaker 4: I think, and I've been very fortunate that although my

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Speaker 4: husband and I did separate for a period of time,

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Speaker 4: we worked and came back together, and he came to

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Speaker 4: know that the changes in me were not making me

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Speaker 4: totally different person than who I was. They were just

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Speaker 4: and a growth that I hadn't had prior to that point.

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Speaker 4: But in my spirituality, I also learned about meditation. That

496
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Speaker 4: was a tremendous help to me too, because I had

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Speaker 4: so many questions and felt like I didn't have places

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Speaker 4: to turn for elaboration on what I had experienced other

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Speaker 4: than reading other books from other people. One of the

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Speaker 4: questions that kept haunting me a lot was who was

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Speaker 4: my guide in meditation. Over time, I came to be

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Speaker 4: able to get deep enough to be able to ask

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Speaker 4: to reconnect with the guide who had been in my

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Speaker 4: near death experience. So eventually he actually showed himself to

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Speaker 4: me again as he had looked in my near death experience,

506
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Speaker 4: and said, I'm your spiritual guide. That's why I was

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Speaker 4: in your near death experience with you. He said, my

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Speaker 4: name is Carlos. I lived a lifetime on earth with

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Speaker 4: you thousands of years ago in South America. All was

510
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Speaker 4: downloaded to me in this deep meditation. It was a

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Speaker 4: few weeks after that meditation that I attended a consciousness

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Speaker 4: conference here in Raleigh, North Carolina, and in between sessions

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Speaker 4: there was a lady talking and a couple of people

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Speaker 4: standing around her, and I was drawn to her for

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Speaker 4: some reason. She was talking about how she was a

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Speaker 4: healing touch teacher and practitioner and that she had just

517
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Speaker 4: returned from Peru, where she had been teaching, and in

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Speaker 4: the course of her conversation, she said that one day

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Speaker 4: she had been planning to go to this sacred site

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Speaker 4: and the transportation fell through, but she said, this young

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Speaker 4: man who was from Argentina and attending the conference, said

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Speaker 4: he knew where it was and he wouldn't mind taking her.

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Speaker 4: She agreed, and they went to the sacred site, and

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Speaker 4: she said she had been so impressed by this young

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Speaker 4: man all through the conference because he just had such

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Speaker 4: a strong spiritual presence about him. And when they got

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Speaker 4: to this sacred site, she said that she had a

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Speaker 4: vision of having lived in the time of that site

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Speaker 4: and him also being there, and she said, I was

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Speaker 4: so impressed that I've decided to have him come to

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Speaker 4: my holistic center here in Raleigh and give him more

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Speaker 4: advanced training. So she said, next week, Carlos is going

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Speaker 4: to be coming. So at this point I burst into

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Speaker 4: tears when she's looking at who's this strange lady here,

535
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Speaker 4: bursting into tears. I told her my near death story.

536
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Speaker 4: I told her my meditation story, and she says, oh,

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Speaker 4: I've got a picture of him on my phone. Can

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Speaker 4: I show it to you? And so she brought up

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Speaker 4: the picture of him on the phone, and it was

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Speaker 4: my spiritual guy. Other than being in modern clothes, it was.

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Speaker 4: And then she showed me the picture of the site

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Speaker 4: that they had visited, and it was exactly like where

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Speaker 4: I first came out of the cave like tunnel area

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Speaker 4: and my near death experience, and it was this dry,

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Speaker 4: rocky ground and stuff. It was exactly like that. So

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Speaker 4: I told her that, you know, when we had come

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Speaker 4: up over this incline area, that it was suddenly totally

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Speaker 4: different and it was lush and green. And she says,

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Speaker 4: that's exactly what it's like at Caral Supe as the

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00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 4: name of the site, she said, because it's down in

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Speaker 4: an area where it's very dry, but then up over

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Speaker 4: as you come up and out of it. She said,

553
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Speaker 4: it's very close to the ocean, and the breezes and

554
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 4: the moisture that comes off the ocean make it all

555
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Speaker 4: very green and lush. So I got to meet him

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Speaker 4: when he came to Raleigh and he had this immense

557
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Speaker 4: connection as I did to him, and he said, I

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Speaker 4: don't understand this or have any memory of your near

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Speaker 4: death experience or anything, but he said, I just I

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Speaker 4: know what you're telling me is true. And I actually

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Speaker 4: asked him when were you born and how old are

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Speaker 4: you now? And I figured out that at the time

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Speaker 4: that I had my near death experience, he was literally

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Speaker 4: two years old, and so he was already born here

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Speaker 4: on earth. And I thought, how can they possibly be?

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Speaker 4: How can he be my spiritual guide and have been

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Speaker 4: two years old when I'm thinking all this linear time thing?

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Speaker 4: And then I was directed to the books by Michael Newton.

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Speaker 3: I want to break here as we go on to

570
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Speaker 3: having a pretty good conversation about the concept of time

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Speaker 3: and also who we really are as human beings. And

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Speaker 3: I love that Karen brought up meditation. I once heard

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Speaker 3: this quote by oh show you've heard don't just sit there,

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Speaker 3: do something? Well, he said, don't just do something, sit there,

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Speaker 3: We'll be right back. You're listening to Shades of the

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Speaker 3: Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal

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Speaker 3: podcast network.

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Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere.

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Speaker 2: There's more Shades of the Afterlife coming right up.

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Speaker 1: Hey, it's producer Tom and you're right where you need

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Speaker 1: to be.

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Speaker 2: This is the iHeart Radio and Coast to Coast AM

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Speaker 2: Paranormal Podcast Network.

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Speaker 1: Hey everyone, it's the Wizard of Weird Joshua pe Warren

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Speaker 1: and now here's more Shades of the Afterlife.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sanders Champlain

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Speaker 3: and Karen blance Thomas was talking about how she could

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Speaker 3: have met her guide in this life, yet she knew

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Speaker 3: him on the other side. So we get into a

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Speaker 3: little conversation about the nature of reality, and.

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Speaker 4: I was directed to the books by Michael Newton, Have

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Speaker 4: you heard of them?

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Speaker 3: Had Journey of Soul, Journey of.

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Speaker 4: Souls, and Destiny of Souls, And so I began reading

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Speaker 4: those books, and sure enough I found him a section

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Speaker 4: and I think it was his second book, where he

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Speaker 4: talked about the fact that when people choose to incarnate

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Speaker 4: on Earth, they don't take their entire soul spiritual essence

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Speaker 4: with them, a portion of it remains on the other side,

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Speaker 4: and that it's also possible for a person to have

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Speaker 4: their spiritual guide actually incarnate in the same lifespan timeframe

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Speaker 4: of the person that they're a spiritual guide to, because

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Speaker 4: the portion of their spirit that's still on the other

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Speaker 4: side can fully be their spiritual guide, not restricted by

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Speaker 4: time in any way, and yet they can incarnate as

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Speaker 4: a totally new person and come in contact with the

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Speaker 4: person that they're a spiritual guide for. Then he gave

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Speaker 4: some examples of people where they had taken place, and

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Speaker 4: he said, sometimes they only meet one another in passing.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes they have an important thing that they serve for

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Speaker 4: that person, and in other times they're very intimately involved

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Speaker 4: in the person's life. And so that really answered that

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Speaker 4: unsolvable muddle in my brain as to how that could

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Speaker 4: possibly be.

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Speaker 3: There's been some great stories of reincarnation and people remembering kids,

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Speaker 3: especially remembering their last lives. Doctor Ian Stevenson, who's to

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Speaker 3: cease now, but he's spent his whole life studying thousands

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Speaker 3: of children and past life memories and how accurate they were.

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Speaker 3: But then you think, well, if they come back, how

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Speaker 3: can medium still tune into their essence. It's all very confusing,

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Speaker 3: but what you're saying makes sense, because yeah, there can

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Speaker 3: be different parts of us. And I also know of

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Speaker 3: a study that there were two different daughters on two continents,

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Speaker 3: and the mother was deceased, and at the very same time,

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00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 3: these daughters went to see a medium and the mother

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Speaker 3: was talking to both of them at the same time

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Speaker 3: through the mediums. So our consciousness can split and be

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Speaker 3: in different places at once. So yeah, why can't one

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Speaker 3: be unearth but still part of it be in the afterlife.

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Speaker 4: I've had past life regression done because of learning about

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Speaker 4: Michael Newton. I've had between lives regression done. And after

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Speaker 4: having that done in my meditation, then my spiritual guide

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Speaker 4: came back to me again and he said my spiritual name,

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Speaker 4: and this came through in the between life's regression. Also,

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Speaker 4: my spiritual name is not Carlos. I gave you the

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Speaker 4: name Carlos, and he told me what the spiritual name was,

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Speaker 4: which was Tomorrow. But I gave you the name Carlos.

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00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 4: I gave you the visual presentation of myself both in

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Speaker 4: your near death experience and in meditation, so that you

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Speaker 4: would be triggered to recognize my reself now, so that

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Speaker 4: you would be able to know that it's one and

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Speaker 4: the same. So that was fascinating as well.

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Speaker 3: There's so much a bigger picture, and as human beings,

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Speaker 3: I can't help but think it's just easy for us

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Speaker 3: to buy into us having this experience it, to know

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Speaker 3: it's real, But meanwhile there's just this so much bigger thing.

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Speaker 3: Anita Morjani, I don't know if you've read her book

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Speaker 3: Dying to Be Me, just one of those miraculous recoveries

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Speaker 3: of being totally near death body filled with cancer to

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Speaker 3: just the opposite, healthy and alive. But in her near

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Speaker 3: death experience, she said, it was like our life now,

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Speaker 3: as if we're in a super huge room and there's

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Speaker 3: just a flashlight being directed on one little spot, so

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Speaker 3: what we can see it through that the light of

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Speaker 3: the flashlight, Okay, that's our life, but not knowing it's

656
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Speaker 3: like this giant warehouse with so much more. It's just

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Speaker 3: not illuminated. So I can't help but think even having

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Speaker 3: concepts of our consciousness being in two different locations at once,

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Speaker 3: who we are right now in this physical body, can't

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Speaker 3: get it all, just like I'm sure you can't put

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Speaker 3: into words exactly every experience you had in your near

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Speaker 3: death experience.

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Speaker 4: It's very true. I really think that during that gap

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Speaker 4: in my memory of the near death experience. I think

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Speaker 4: that at that point I probably was actually able to

666
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Speaker 4: really meet and somewhat melt with God the Light, and

667
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Speaker 4: it was such an immense, emotional, total experience. Because I've

668
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Speaker 4: met someone since through IENs who did have that experience,

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Speaker 4: that I may even have chosen. Please don't let me

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Speaker 4: remember this this much. If the amount that I can

671
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Speaker 4: remember is going to be very difficult for me to

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Speaker 4: go back into my mundane, everyday Earth life. But if

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Speaker 4: I remember this immensity on top of it, I just

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Speaker 4: don't know if my little careen mind is going to

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Speaker 4: be able to handle living day today with that. I

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Speaker 4: don't know for sure that that has happened. I think

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Speaker 4: that was what happened in that gap, But that's just

678
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Speaker 4: an educated guess on my part.

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Speaker 3: I think it's a good one. I've had lots of

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Speaker 3: guests and talk to people that have experienced really immense

681
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 3: grief coming back in their body, not only feeling the

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Speaker 3: physicality and the pain and the restriction and of having

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Speaker 3: a body, but to have experienced complete unconditional love something

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Speaker 3: they've ever felt before, and then be thrown back into

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Speaker 3: planet Earth, which is not that and that feeling of

686
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Speaker 3: really missing it, that feeling of grief, and it takes time,

687
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Speaker 3: some people a lot of time. But I think most

688
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Speaker 3: people have had near death experiences actually end up turning

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Speaker 3: their lives over to wanting to serve, wanting to make

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Speaker 3: a difference, being the best person they can be. How

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Speaker 3: is your fear of dying these days? Do you have

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Speaker 3: any fear of death?

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Speaker 4: No, not whatsoever. The only thing that I would say,

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Speaker 4: being absolutely truthful, is the lead up to death, all

695
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Speaker 4: of that sort of thing that may go with certain

696
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 4: types of death prior to the actual death that I

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Speaker 4: will admit I would just assume not have to go

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Speaker 4: through and have somewhat of a fear of, but death

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00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 4: itself not at all, because I know what a release

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Speaker 4: and what a joy that is actually going to be,

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Speaker 4: not necessarily for the people that you leave behind. They're

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00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 4: the ones who are sad and in sorrow, but you're

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Speaker 4: in more joy that you can imagine. And now, part

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Speaker 4: of what had been difficult for me was that I

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Speaker 4: had been myself a seven year old who lost my father.

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Speaker 4: And when my father died, we were out in a

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Speaker 4: boat together and he had a massive heart attack and

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Speaker 4: it was a very traumatic thing. My mother was there

709
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Speaker 4: and my mother had sent me up to change out

710
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Speaker 4: of my clothes, out of my bathing suit and back

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Speaker 4: into clothes, and I remember being in the backseat of

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Speaker 4: the car and just begging God, please don't let my

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Speaker 4: father be dead, don't let him die, and when he died,

714
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Speaker 4: being very angry at God and feeling very unworthy. What

715
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Speaker 4: was wrong with me? Why wasn't I good enough? So

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Speaker 4: all of that was in the background before I had

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Speaker 4: my near death experience, and I had gone through a

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Speaker 4: lot of years of trying to be worthy of God

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Speaker 4: and trying to be good enough, and of course being human,

720
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Speaker 4: always falling short and always being disappointed. And so the

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Speaker 4: near death experience was such an immense different concept for

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Speaker 4: me that I wasn't this unworthy, sinful mistake making, never

723
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Speaker 4: get it right, never possible to be good enough human.

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Speaker 4: I was this beloved, precious, so loved child of God,

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Speaker 4: as was my father. So it just really turned my

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Speaker 4: world upside down.

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Speaker 3: It's lovely your vision of your dad and family and

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Speaker 3: knowing that they'll be right there when that moment comes.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Wow, let me just say, we only have a few

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Speaker 3: minutes left. How do you think you live your life

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Speaker 3: differently by having this experience.

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Speaker 4: Exactly what I was just saying, that I know how

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Speaker 4: very much I loved and how precious I am, and

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Speaker 4: how important love is in this world, and how much

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Speaker 4: people need it to be expressed to them, and how

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00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 4: much help you can offer to someone by being there

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Speaker 4: and showing them love. All of these things have been

739
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Speaker 4: very different for me than what I had experienced before.

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Speaker 4: So I am back involved with a very different type

741
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Speaker 4: of church. But within the church, I sing in the choir,

742
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 4: I do readings, I take communion to shut ins. I

743
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Speaker 4: am working on a program right now with a couple

744
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Speaker 4: of wonderful people that are developing a program of help

745
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Speaker 4: with the after effects for people who've had near death experiences,

746
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Speaker 4: to help them have a form of lifeline to integrate

747
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Speaker 4: back into their lives with less trauma and more support,

748
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Speaker 4: and helping them to find out how they can be

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Speaker 4: better at expressing that love to all the people that

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Speaker 4: are in their world around them.

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Speaker 3: Oh how great. Before we close up the episode, do

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Speaker 3: you have any words of wisdom or advice you want

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Speaker 3: to give us just for today, Something to remember, something

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Speaker 3: to keep our eye on, something to inspire us.

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Speaker 4: I would say, think of the ways that you can

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Speaker 4: help yourself be more of an example of love to

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Speaker 4: the people in the world around you, not necessarily just

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Speaker 4: your immediate family, but anyone that you might come in

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Speaker 4: contact with. Sciously looking for ways that you can express

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Speaker 4: kindness and that you can express love, because it may

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Speaker 4: be something that they haven't gotten anywhere else, and it

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Speaker 4: may help them to open up to the love that's

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Speaker 4: there within themselves.

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Speaker 3: Karen, thank you for being our guest here.

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Speaker 4: Today, Oh here, very welcome, and for.

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