1 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: This is Logan Ryan, captain the New York Giants and 2 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:11,400 Speaker 1: hosts of the NFL Player podcast. I am the husband 3 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: to Ashley Ryan, the father to Abrian Otto Ryan. I 4 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: am also captain the New York Giants, and recently some 5 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: people at the NFL reached out and had an idea 6 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: that they were going to create an NFL Players podcast 7 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: with an active NFL player. For whatever reason, they decided 8 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: I was the guy for the job. Honestly, I wasn't 9 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: sure at first, but I say, you know what, I'm 10 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: gonna go for it. It's a leap of faith, and 11 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 1: really I want to encourage people to take risks, take 12 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 1: the challenge. A little bit about me is I got 13 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: drafted out of Rutgers third round, the middle of the 14 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: road type of pick. I wasn't the first rounder coming 15 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: in with all the glory. I didn't have the commercials 16 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: coming in about me. I wasn't invited to the draft. 17 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,559 Speaker 1: But I went to New England Patriots, and I really 18 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: learned how to play at the highest level with some 19 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 1: of the best players and the greatest coach in the world. 20 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: Years old. By two years old, I won two Super Bowls, 21 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: So I had that experience to tell, went to free 22 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: agency and got a big pay day and went down 23 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: to the Tennessee Titans, small market franchise it wasn't really 24 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: good since two thousand and really helped rebuild something there 25 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: and really grew as a person and an individual and 26 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: really got my voice in Tennessee, just not a lot 27 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: of people heard because the market was so small. Ended 28 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,479 Speaker 1: up coming to New York the New York Giants, where 29 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: I am now born and raised in New Jersey, and 30 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: step into the role as a leader, as a captain, 31 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: as a guy with a Super Bowl experience, um that 32 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: a lot of players are looking up to. It really 33 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: is an interesting journey. So really, I feel like my 34 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: chapters of competing for super goals, taking a franchise to 35 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: its peak, and really being part of a historic franchise 36 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: like the New York Giants gives me the platform to 37 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: really be the voice for the players, to really have 38 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: a podcast about the grind, the podcast about the reality 39 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: of the NFL, the podcast of the stories that I 40 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 1: have behind the scenes, and I hope you guys like it. 41 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 1: It's a journey. We're in it together. It's my first podcast. 42 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: There's a lot to learn, a lot of people to 43 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: talk to a lot of things that work on them. 44 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: But really we're just going for it to kick it 45 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: all off. I think as they call me Captain Logan 46 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: now is the hashtag I go by for the New 47 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 1: York Giants. I wasn't always a captain, believe it or not. 48 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: In year nine is the first year of my career, 49 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: I was voted to captain, But I always feel like 50 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: I was the same guy and it doesn't really change 51 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: who I am. So we're gonna talk about my journey 52 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: and we're gonna talk about some captains I met along 53 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: the way. We're gonna talk to guys about leadership. Are 54 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: you born a leader, do you become a leader? Do 55 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: you learn from the leaders or just something that just 56 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: was in you? Alright, guys, So we have our first guest. 57 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: This man has three three Super Bowls, I believe two 58 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: you had to get with me, one without me. Devin 59 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: mccordy of the New England Patriots and me and David 60 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 1: go back A long time. Dad. When did we first meet? 61 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:21,839 Speaker 1: That was my rest Shirts senior year back in two 62 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,959 Speaker 1: thousand nine, a long time ago. Yeah, we actually met 63 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 1: on the recruiting visit. You didn't actually host me, but 64 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: I heard you had a terrible um time as a 65 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:33,519 Speaker 1: host and you've got a lot of guys to decommit. 66 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: But it was brutal. I was a rest shirt senior 67 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: and it was like, hey, can you be a part 68 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: of this recruiting weekend. I'm like, I don't care about 69 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: these recruits. I'm leaving in a few months. But they 70 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: had the big dolls like you coming in there, so 71 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: they asked me to come. I still went to Rutgers, 72 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: following your footsteps there. We both get drafted. We can 73 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: argue about who had a better college career later, but 74 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: let's just talk about I mean, look, when I met you, 75 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: you were a captain at Rutgers. You're like you said, 76 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: your fifth year. I know your brothers in NFL already. 77 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: It's kind of a weird situation. But so talk to 78 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: me about you were like a captain in year two 79 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: in New England, which was never heard of. So tell 80 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: me about that process. Being voted in year two as 81 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: a captain of a franchise like New England Patriots. Yeah, man, 82 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: it was kind of crazy. I think you you get 83 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: voted captain, but you're kind of sitting there like I 84 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: don't know why they voted me captain, Like there's no 85 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 1: there's no shot that I'm a leader on this team. Um. 86 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: But I would say it was a unique experience because 87 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: I got to be in that meeting room every Friday 88 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: and the captains meet and Tom Bill, Vince Mayo, Logan Mankins, 89 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: Matthew Slader, like I would say, when you look at 90 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 1: the Patriots, all of those names are gonna be Patriots 91 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: Hall of Famers, you know, some of the greatest players 92 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: that ever play for the Patriots. I got a chance 93 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: to be around those guys and learned from their leadership styles, 94 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: learn how they saw the game of football and how 95 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 1: they saw how the team needs to progress during the week. 96 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: So I learned so much as a second year player. 97 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 1: And then the biggest thing I took away from those 98 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: guys in that meeting was being the leader of the 99 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: biggest part, which is being yourself, um, and then allowing 100 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: guys to follow that and see what you did day 101 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 1: in and day out. And nobody did that better than time. 102 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: I mean, the hardest working God was our best player 103 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: every year. People know you have a twin, Jason. Personalities 104 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: couldn't be any different. I think You're a lot more energy, 105 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: a lot more vocal and rambugshous. Jason more reserved and conservative, 106 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 1: which we both know. So it's really really was your 107 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: personal Did you come in that vocal, that vocal guy 108 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: like you kind of said it like, did you lobby 109 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: to be a captain or did it kind of just happen? No, 110 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: it really just happened. I mean, you know, Bill, all 111 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 1: he talks about his leadership is attitude and performance. He 112 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 1: tells guys, you need to be a leader within your group, 113 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 1: within the team, even if you're not a captain. So 114 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: never lobby to be a captain. Honestly, the first time 115 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: I was ever captain of any sports team was my 116 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 1: my rest your senior in college. The first time ever 117 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 1: being a captain, And most of that had to do 118 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: with just not being one of the better players. So, 119 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 1: but leadership, I think I've always been pretty consistent just 120 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,359 Speaker 1: and who who I am, who I was as a 121 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: player all through my my youth growing up. Yeah, and 122 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 1: like one thing, because you know, we had leadership groups 123 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:24,359 Speaker 1: in New England, right of like different position group and 124 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: I was in that group with you, and you know, 125 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: maybe like eight guys on the defense or whatever. And 126 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 1: one thing I learned there and I never heard was 127 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: like guy like Dante Hi twer, He's like, don't vote 128 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: for me for captain, Like guys didn't want it, like 129 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 1: you think the captain's like the job you want, you 130 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: lobby and most guys like man, I don't want the 131 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: extra meetings, like they don't like what entails being a captain. 132 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: Why do you I thought that was the realist thing. 133 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 1: I thought that was true leadership. A guy so real, 134 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: like you know, I don't want to be the captain. 135 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: I kind of just want to lead behind the scenes. 136 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: I feel like that's how New England was set up. 137 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: What do you think? Yeah? And I think one of 138 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: the things I've learned too with him being a captain 139 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: is making sure that other leaders on the team, maybe 140 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 1: they're not captains, but making sure that their voices heard 141 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: and making sure you unpower those guys. Like when you 142 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: and Dan came in there as rookies, Yeah you were 143 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: just rookies, but it was it was easy to see that, 144 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: like all right for me as a captain, like I'm 145 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: a lead on these two young guys, to be the 146 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: leadership that you know, when I'm not there or when 147 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: I'm slipping up that I need to be held accountable. 148 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: Those are the roles you guys kind of played as 149 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: young guys. And then you know, for me, the coolest 150 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: thing is to watch Duran go to Detroit and be 151 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: a captain. See you down in New York being a captain, 152 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: the Trey Flowers, the Chandler Jones, like just watching all 153 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: of these guys who were kinda came in. Even Hot 154 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: Tower came in a couple of years after me. It's 155 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: like the young pups and just seeing y'all go places, 156 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: being yourself and just showing true leadership no matter where 157 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: you are. And like you said, bringing up j Matt, 158 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: I've learned a lot from him. He's been a captain 159 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: on three or four teams he's been on, Like that's 160 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: hard to do, um, but it's your shows how he 161 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: is so consistent and like you said, it's not loud. 162 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: He just shows up and does his job every day 163 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: and people respect that, and I think that's a huge 164 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: part of leadership. Yeah, I think the most respectable thing 165 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: that we're talking about, like people outside of sports, like 166 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: just being comfortable in your own skin. And I felt 167 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: like that took a little bit of time for me 168 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: in the league to be comfortable with my own skin. 169 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: How I was like, I felt like when I was 170 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: in New England, I was doing all the right things, 171 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: but I feel like you don't. It's hard to manage 172 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 1: the media because you can only say so much. You 173 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 1: feel like, you know, like my whole personality wasn't out yet. 174 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: I didn't really know how to beat myself without saying 175 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: too much of the game plan or tipping too much 176 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 1: or speaking about others. It really is like a fine 177 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 1: line you gotta you gotta walk. But one thing about 178 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: New England that's interesting is you're a captain, right, but 179 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: you get no captain patch. Right. You guys don't do 180 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: the patches. It's all about team and do your job. 181 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: Do your job. So did you ever want the captain patch? Like, like, 182 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: how do you fee about? We all want to see patch, 183 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: We all jove, we all joked that when we retire, 184 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: we're gonna ask. We're gonna ask stick our equipment manager. 185 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: Hey man, just throw a little sea on there and 186 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: give me the stars underneath. If I've been at Flord time, 187 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: like I think everyone and I think it has to 188 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: do with like being a kid and growing up and 189 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 1: seeing that and just think about like how cool it 190 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: is to hang that jersey um and look at that, 191 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: you know, whether it's ten fifteen years later to be 192 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: like man, like I was a captain of a Super 193 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:28,959 Speaker 1: Bowl team where God's thought of me as a leader. 194 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: I think that's so cool just to have someday. But 195 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: I think in it, like in the situation being the captain, 196 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: it's not the biggest deal because, like you said, you know, 197 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: being a captain now you deal with a lot of 198 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 1: different things that I would say overall, you wish you 199 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: didn't have to deal with with them being on a team. 200 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: When you get voted a captain, it's like you said, 201 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 1: Hot Tower doesn't want to do it, but like his 202 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: leadership shows up every year. It's the same, it's exactly 203 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 1: the same. And like I just remember being a Super 204 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: Bowl I think it was against Seattle and looking up 205 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: like above the scoreboard and they have like Tom and 206 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: Gronk and they have like you and Earl Thomas, you know, 207 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: and Tom and Russell and you and Earl Thomas. I'm like, 208 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 1: dangn Like my dog is like on the face of 209 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. But like you're always the same dude, 210 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,679 Speaker 1: like since college, Like the same guy you were taking 211 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: me to practice in two thousand nine hour in the 212 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 1: Super Bowl together, and you really didn't change, like you 213 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: didn't let it. I felt like you always stayed steady. 214 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: Like what is your advice to these players who roles 215 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:36,719 Speaker 1: may change in teams or whatever. I feel like you 216 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: stayed pretty consistent through your you know, the length of 217 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: your career. Yeah, I think it's like you said, I 218 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: think you have to be comfortable on who you are. 219 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: Identities a huge thing, not only in our league, but 220 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: I think in life in general. I think until young guys, 221 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 1: especially young men, until they develop and understand who they are, 222 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: you know, you're easily swayed so many different ways. And 223 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: I think when you get some type of our authority 224 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: like that can easily take over you and you kind 225 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: of turned into something that you probably never thought what happened. 226 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: So I've always encourage guys manna find out who you 227 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 1: are and stick to that, Like you're gonna someday be 228 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: a husband, a father, like those people are gonna count 229 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 1: on the man you are, not the football player, not 230 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,119 Speaker 1: any of that stuff. So when you can be consistent 231 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: in that and know who you are. UM, I think 232 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: you have a great chance to be a leader. And 233 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: I always remember, as crazy as our Garciano was, UM, 234 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: one thing I always remember he said of leadership is 235 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: being comfortable being uncomfortable, And UM, I remember all of 236 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: the sayings he used to say, and I'm like, man, 237 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: I'm never gonna use that. And like that phrase has 238 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 1: stayed true my whole life, no matter has been on 239 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: the field or off the field. D mac dropping gems. 240 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: So my last question before we let you go, did 241 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,199 Speaker 1: you ever think your boy being a seat hosting a 242 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,319 Speaker 1: podcast for the NFL and and like where we are 243 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 1: now pretty crazy? Huh yeah, I think it's like you said, 244 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: it's it's been a joy for me to watch you. 245 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: You was so quiet like your first two years, and 246 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: like you said, we were together at Rutgers, but I 247 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: was a senior. You wouldn't do refreshment, so like we 248 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: were in totally different stages of our lives. But getting 249 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 1: to see you come out of your shell and develop 250 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: and then going down to Tennessee and developing a way 251 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: that you did down there and leading that group, you know, 252 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: for me, it's a no brain or saying you host this, 253 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I know Ashley does most of the work 254 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,079 Speaker 1: for your conformation, but you get credit for it. But 255 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: you do have some a little personality on you that 256 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: you can host the show. So make sure you're doing 257 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: a good job on here. And make sure the NFL 258 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 1: is cutting big checks because they make big money. So 259 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:44,559 Speaker 1: make sure you're getting paid well. Did we hear that? Whoever, 260 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 1: don't edit that out, don't hit that out. Tell my 261 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: guy d mcmah love you dog on my first episode. 262 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: Who else would it be that? My boy, my captain, 263 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: the guy learned a lot from I don't get a 264 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 1: lot of credit because it's our friendship. We just make 265 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: fun of each other, but that means we got love 266 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: for each other. So I appreciate you about it, no 267 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: doubt about it. All Right, So you got another guest 268 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: joining us. One of my best friends in the league. 269 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: I I'm always gonna say, one of the most underrated 270 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: players in the league, A guy who had a ridiculous 271 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: college career and as a ridiculous start to his NFL career. 272 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 1: One of my favorite teammates, Kevin Byer from the Tennessee 273 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 1: Titans KB. What's up? What's up? A little man? I 274 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: appreciate you bring me on for the show, have a 275 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: good little conversation. So you're here from my first episode ever. 276 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: So there's like my three favorite people and you're my 277 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: favorite Tennessee Titan as you know, and I'm glad to 278 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 1: being close his list. Yeah, so we're gonna drop gems 279 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 1: for people. Um the first episode, I really wanted to 280 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:46,679 Speaker 1: talk about leadership, you know, And when I got to Tennessee, 281 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: I left New England filled up great leaders and I 282 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: went to Tennessee and I couldn't went to any of 283 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: a smaller the market. Um. I remember like eating hot 284 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 1: dogs and hamburgers after practice and my god, this can't 285 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: be real. It's kind of how the other world was living. 286 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 1: But then they had you, this guy they drafted out 287 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: the middle Tennessee third round that I have a pick 288 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:06,959 Speaker 1: his rookie year and you end up being a captain. 289 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 1: Pretty what was that year two? Year three? I think 290 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: it was year three. I think year three. You're a 291 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: captain there, So tell me about tell me about being captain, 292 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: Tell me about when you're voting captain to that change, 293 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: Like what what do what do you think about it? 294 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: I mean, when you know how it is man when 295 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: you get voted to captain you know, any NFL team, 296 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: that's probably one of the biggest, if not the biggest 297 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: honor that you can get. You know, because at the 298 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: end of the day, when you're playing this game, and 299 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: and you know, when when we're about when we're getting 300 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: ready of retire, when we're five, six years down the row, 301 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: whatever how long we're gonna play, the things we're gonna 302 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: remember is the locker room and the guys. And that's 303 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: the guys that you played for us, the guys to 304 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: build the memories with. So for you know, a group 305 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: of the team or the entire team to vote me 306 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: as a chat and of course, you know, that was 307 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: a big honor for me. And it's like you said, man, 308 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: you obviously came in my second year in the league. 309 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: You know, obviously Tennessee wasn't good at all. I mean 310 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: we were solid ma my rookie year. But you know, 311 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: the persona and just the the whole entire message you 312 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: know around the city was you know, we need to 313 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: get some guys in here to help turn this program around. 314 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: And you know he was a big part of that. 315 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, just us as being in 316 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: the secondary. It was a big part of, you know, 317 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: changing the culture, and we talked about that in your 318 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: first year, changing the culture of the whole city, and 319 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: we really uh made our imprint, you know on the 320 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: entire city. Yeah, I mean me and you. We we 321 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: always viewed ourselves much more than football players, and we 322 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: always talked about vision like Yo, I remember me, You're 323 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: like sitting down like, Yo, we're gonna take this city over, 324 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: like in Nashville, gets behind it, we start winning, like 325 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna do it, and we literally started 326 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: to do a huge part of you going all pro, 327 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: grabbing all those picks. Do you feel like you you 328 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: kind of we talked about do you feel like you've 329 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: been snubbed and underrated and kind of behind the scenes 330 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: You're not in a big market like New York or 331 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: New England, Like, tell me how you feel about doing 332 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: it in a small market. I mean it's been a blessing, honestly, 333 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: because you know, I feel like it's just all a 334 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: part of my journey, all a part of my growth. 335 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: Obviously having a big career in college that's obviously really 336 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: wasn't spoken up because I went to a smaller school 337 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: Mill Tennessee. Uh didn't get invite to the combine. I 338 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: feel like I was snubbed for that. But I get 339 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: just my journey throughout the league. I've kind of been 340 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: used to just playing their underdog, underrated and not just 341 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: relish in that, you know what I'm saying. I just 342 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: think it's one of those things that keeps a big 343 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: tip of my shoulder. I just want to keep going 344 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: out hair bawling out. So but now you're right, man. 345 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: We've talked about it too, like maybe if I would 346 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: have played for uh maybe New England or or in 347 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: l A or you know, just in a different market, 348 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: I'm sure things would be different. But like I said, man, 349 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: I just look at it like I'm blessed. Man. I 350 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: just take my journey how it is and and uh 351 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: just relaish in these moments. You know. You know, I'm 352 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: a captain now in New York, and many people assume 353 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: I was a captain my whole career, Like, yo, it 354 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: was your fourth time I got my patch. I first 355 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: tell you give me my patch. I had two stars. 356 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, I'll take it. It's my first captain, 357 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: but I'll take a little two stars and uh, it 358 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: ended up they fixed it the next week. I only 359 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: had one star. I was like, damn, they caught me. Man. 360 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: But when are you surprised that I was never voted 361 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: to captain Tennessee? Like? Did you think it? Mad? I 362 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: didn't go about my business any differently? But how do 363 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: you feel like? I feel like certain pace positions are 364 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: voted captains, like quarterback and say more than corner, Like 365 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:06,199 Speaker 1: how many corners of captains? Right? You don't talk that 366 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: much of that position? So were you surprised I didn't 367 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: have a captain or anything? Do you think it change 368 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: how you viewed me or anything? Now? I mean, you know, 369 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: obviously didn't change the high vita because I mean you 370 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: was the leader when you first stepped into our room. 371 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: I mean, just looking back at those three years that 372 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: we played together, just the mentality that you know, you 373 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: kind of brought to our room, not only just are 374 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 1: just the entire team of in the defense, you know 375 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. He was one of the few guys 376 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 1: are only guys that ever even called the players only meeting, 377 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:32,880 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying? Like that was something that 378 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 1: really wasn't done before. But you know how it goes 379 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 1: you know, sometimes when you're voting captains and stuff, you 380 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 1: only got maybe one or two people on defense or 381 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: one or two people on offense. Then you know how 382 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: people made vote captains based on stats, you know what 383 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: I'm saying. Maybe one year or another year, you know, 384 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:51,199 Speaker 1: but I always felt like the entire team had a 385 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: certain level of respect, and honestly, just the organization had 386 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: a certain level respect for what you did day in 387 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: the day out, not only just on the football field, 388 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 1: but small stuff rather th the weight room. You know, 389 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: I remember your last year and in tennes See something 390 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: that we'll probably never really get spoken about, but you 391 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:09,439 Speaker 1: was at the facility I used to get to facility. 392 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: You know, we both getting silly, super I'm getting Facility 393 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: six sturdy in the morning, walking in the locker room, 394 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 1: see Logan shoes already on the floor. You know what 395 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: I'm saying, something, Okay, he's been here staged there for 396 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 1: a while. I'm walking towards the training room and I 397 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: look outside and Logans I hear doing ladders during ladder 398 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,919 Speaker 1: just and this is like week six weeks sevement. It's 399 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 1: not like this is the beginning of the season. It's like, 400 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 1: you know, I'm just watching this. He's grinding, you know 401 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:33,679 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like he's really locked in. That was 402 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 1: a year. You know, you put up some some all 403 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: pro I feel like you were snuff for that some 404 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:41,360 Speaker 1: all pro numbers that year. So, like I said, those 405 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: are the type of small things that you know, really 406 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: won't get talked about in the papers and stuff like that. 407 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 1: But just you know, the guys in the locker room 408 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 1: understands that. I mean, we respect you from a different 409 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: level just based off the work. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, 410 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 1: I think the work ethic and being We're talking to 411 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,959 Speaker 1: Devin McCardy a lot about being who you are, not changing, like, oh, 412 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: I'm a captain, so I'm gonna start acting different. I'm 413 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: gonna start giving speeches like that, ain't you The locker rooms, 414 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: like life, they figure you out quick, you know what 415 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 1: I'm saying. And the stuff I did, the extra stuff 416 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 1: is coming off a broken leg and just stuff. I 417 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 1: just wanted to go get it, bro, I wanted to 418 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: go get that for the team and I and the 419 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: better I was, the better the team would be. And 420 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 1: I was gonna put that work. And I learned that 421 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: from like Tom Brady and Julian Edelman pulling the parking 422 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: lot one years old. Tom Brady is in year fifteen, 423 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: year fourteen. He's beat me every day and I'm like, like, 424 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: what time do you get here? And he's like early. 425 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 1: I'm like what time? You wouldn't even tell me? He 426 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: just said early, And I'm like, I'm gonna wake up 427 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: earlier and earlier, and it got to like five thirty. 428 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I can't. I can't, Like I need 429 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 1: to sleep. I can't beat five thirty. You know, that's 430 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 1: just stuff that I learned and for you to see 431 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 1: it from me, hopefully you you're in there early. I'm 432 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: sure that young guys learned from you was so funny. 433 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: The chain of how it goes down, you know what 434 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: I'm saying. And I think that's the beauty of you know, 435 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: the type of players that we are because you know, 436 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: we obviously understand the impact of you know, obviously you've 437 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: gotten yourself into a position you was are you already 438 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: won super Bowls, you already had you know, status and 439 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 1: numbers and stuff like that. So to understand coming to 440 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: a new locker room like us was really just a 441 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: bunch of young guys. Yet me, you had Dory uh 442 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:09,199 Speaker 1: and we had Malcolm, So to understand the impact that 443 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: she was like, Okay, I got some young guys in 444 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: the room, and I've already become the player who I am. 445 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 1: But I want to be able to pass knowledge down, 446 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: pass work at the and uh. And I think obviously 447 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: me and the door is definitely receptive of it. And 448 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: it's the same thing. But it's what I mean, a 449 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: man life. You know. It's funny, dog, I'm looking around 450 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: in the locker room in a year six, I'm thinking, like, 451 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 1: am I'm starting to get up there in ages and 452 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: I'm looking around them like I got two rookie corners 453 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: in the room, you know, I got a couple of 454 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 1: other young guys, and I'm like, I had to be 455 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 1: that example every single day because they're watching and you 456 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 1: never know how much you can change your guy's career 457 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: the trajectory based upon some small stuff that they've seen, 458 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,719 Speaker 1: some tips, uh, to be you know professional football players. Man, 459 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: I think it's great. Yeah. I think the biggest thing 460 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 1: I learned, and it really shows who you are as 461 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 1: a person is when you have success, you won super Bowls, 462 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: You're you're playing at a really high level. You're getting picks, 463 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 1: you're playing every game, you have a good process. Are 464 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: you gonna share those secrets? Are you're gonna save them? 465 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: Because I know some guys are like, hey, man, it's 466 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 1: my process. I don't want to one. I don't want 467 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: this rookie to catch up to me. I'm not sharing you. 468 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: And I was turning to the point where I was 469 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: open book, and I'm like, look, I'm gonna tell KB 470 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: everything like he might not get you know, the massages 471 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: are stretching out, but I'm gonna tell them important to 472 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: othern when he gets in year six. So when I 473 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 1: got over there year five, six and seven. So I 474 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: always wanted to share that because I'm like, man, I 475 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 1: can't take this stuff with me, you know, honestly. But 476 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 1: I think that's probably, if not the biggest thing I 477 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 1: probably learned from you, because just like you said, man, 478 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:30,919 Speaker 1: when you came in your first year, like we had 479 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: drafted a first round corner. So you know, as an 480 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: older player, you're always looking at Okay, they got a 481 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 1: first round guy. May not be the long term, uh deal. 482 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 1: But at the same time, you never let any of 483 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 1: that stuff get to you know, obviously we bring your Malcolm, 484 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 1: you know I'm saying, we start bringing in other pieces. 485 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:46,479 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, the only thing 486 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: that you can do is focus on yourself and obviously 487 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: just passing down knowledge and just you know, trying to 488 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 1: really do it for the team. I think that's something 489 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 1: that was really underrated that most of the stuff that 490 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: you did. Obviously we're trying to put yourself in a 491 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 1: position to be successful, but it was about the team 492 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: being successful the secondary, because that's the main thing. You 493 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 1: all know, we all play deal, we all get take 494 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 1: care of you know what I'm saying, So that's always 495 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 1: a message. That's what I'm doing now. You know, I 496 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 1: got a young guy, Monty Hooker, who was here when 497 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: you was here. But I'm just trying to groom him 498 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: to be the best player he can be. You know, honestly, 499 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: I pray that every every player on our defense or 500 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: every player on our team gets a big contract. That's 501 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: what you love to watch, especially a guy to come 502 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:20,959 Speaker 1: up under you to get a big contract that's here, 503 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 1: not here, It doesn't really matter to me. I just 504 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: want to make him the best player that I can 505 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: by not only just teaching them stuff, talking to him, 506 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: but just being an example, you know what I'm saying, Yeah, 507 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: and it's not like that everywhere. And the last question 508 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave you with, and this is something I 509 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 1: had for you because you're so philosophical and you really 510 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: you're really good at voicing what you're looking ahead. Do 511 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 1: you think a leader is born or do you think 512 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,679 Speaker 1: it's something that you're groomed, or you think it's both 513 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: or what? What do you think? It's funny? I think 514 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: you know you have to go and be born with 515 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,120 Speaker 1: certain qualities about yourself. But I do think that you're 516 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 1: definitely groom because I think one of the biggest thing 517 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: about it being a leader, you have to be a 518 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 1: follower first, you know what I'm saying, Like, you can't 519 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: just go out here and be like becauld. You see 520 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 1: it a lot of times man radifice. You know, first overall, 521 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: draft pick quarterbacks or different positions. They get drafted so 522 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: early and they're getting thrown into, you know, maybe a 523 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 1: bad situation. They're supposed to be this big leader and 524 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: it's like you have to learn how to be a 525 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: leader first. You have to have good guys to watch 526 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 1: them follow. So just over my entire football playing career, 527 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:20,640 Speaker 1: not just only the league. I've always had a lot 528 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 1: of good people that I can watch and just take 529 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: small stim from. But I do feel like that's the 530 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: quality that I already had, like just being able to 531 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: watch and learn and and take good stuff that I 532 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: need to take versus just you know, some stuff go 533 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 1: in one day or not the other. So I always 534 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: was a guy that paid attention. So I definitely feel 535 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: like you're groom the more than just being born. I 536 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,679 Speaker 1: think a certain qualities to be born with. But I 537 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,919 Speaker 1: had good guys. Man, had you I had, you know, 538 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 1: would I had Drill? Had all these different guys that 539 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 1: I can follow, and I just you know, picked up 540 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,679 Speaker 1: where you guys left off. You know, Oh yeah, definitely 541 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 1: that guy. Now I'm not there anymore. And and you're 542 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,199 Speaker 1: the leader in that locker room and people tune in 543 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,360 Speaker 1: to watch you play. And I know in Tennessee every 544 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 1: kid has a Buyer jersey just because of what you've 545 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: done for that state and that your play man, you're 546 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: doing the right way. So I love you, appreciate your dog, 547 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: appreciate it all right. Last guest here, a fan favorite, 548 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 1: a leader on his organization, a great player, one of 549 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: my teammates, a co captain, say Kwon Barkley, So say, 550 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: I appreciate you joining us man a problem dogness the avenue. Yeah, 551 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 1: so let's get right to it. Dude. I mean me 552 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: and you, I think we have a little bit of 553 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: bonds when we kind of talk about Kobe Bryant and 554 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: work ethic and grind and what people don't see. So 555 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 1: what do you think our connection is? Yeah, I would 556 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,159 Speaker 1: agree with that, especially using Kobe example, when when I 557 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: went down with an injury last year with a c 558 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: L and uh, You're a guy that came to and 559 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: talked to and you know, you kind of gave me 560 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: a little bit of motivation when when you broke your 561 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 1: leg a couple of years ago, and how you were 562 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,640 Speaker 1: up early in the morning, how you had that MoMA mentality, 563 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,400 Speaker 1: how you grinding and you use that experience to help 564 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: you get better. You know, just with the Kobe Bryant 565 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 1: mentality and that moment mentality. When you have two guys 566 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: that U alpha's and want to continue to get better 567 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: every single day and improve every single day, you kind 568 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: of just meshed well together. I mean you talked about 569 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: how like literally your arrival in New York, Like, literally, 570 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 1: you were you, you committed to Rutgers. I mean we 571 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: couldn't pull it off. Honestly, I think you made a 572 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: good move for yourself. But you said, like, yeah, I 573 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: didn't get nice until this year in high school. I 574 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: didn't get nice until college. Like I think people say 575 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: Sae Kwon Barkley and I kind of dealt with it 576 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 1: with Derrick Henry. I was real close with Derek too, Like, oh, 577 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 1: look how big he is. Look how biggest quas is. 578 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 1: Like yeah, you have a lot of God given ability, 579 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: but tell me about quickly about like your journey of 580 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: like you weren't even that highly recruited and the work 581 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,160 Speaker 1: ethic you had to put into becoming the number two 582 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 1: overall draft pick or whatever people see now like in 583 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: that continuing you know, don't get me wrong, I am 584 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: blessed and fortunate enough with a with a lot of 585 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,919 Speaker 1: God given ability. But when you get onto this stage 586 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: and you you've had a lot of success and you 587 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: made a lot of big plays and a lot of highlights, 588 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:56,640 Speaker 1: a lot of people just think that it's just God 589 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 1: to give them, just think that you didn't work for it. 590 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: And I have put a lot of work from high 591 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: school for my sophomore year going into my junior year, 592 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: when I committed to the weight room, committed to conditioning, 593 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,239 Speaker 1: and committed to training and getting better. I was like 594 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: five six five, seven hundred fifty five pounds. And that's 595 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: when Rutgers offered me off of a j V highlight 596 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 1: film when I committed obviously everyone of the story. I 597 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,159 Speaker 1: did commit him with the pen State, but it was 598 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,360 Speaker 1: in that time when you know, that scholarship from Rutgers 599 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: kind of just build my confidence. And when you have 600 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,199 Speaker 1: that conference behind you, and I'm really fortunate enough and 601 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 1: blessed that have both parents in my life and have 602 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,679 Speaker 1: a great father figure who helping still confidence in me too. 603 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 1: Showed me that obviously God's gonna bless you a lot, 604 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: but you gotta work for it. And I just changed 605 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 1: my mindset, just changed. I started working, went from one 606 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:46,919 Speaker 1: fifty to a hundred ninety pounds, and then to my 607 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: senior year, uh, from hundred nine pounds two hundred pounds, 608 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: and then all that hard work that I put it 609 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: in high school, I got to display that early on 610 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 1: in my freshman year when I got some take early on. 611 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,200 Speaker 1: Then just even there I had a pretty us in 612 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: freshman year, and it's just like, damn, I want to 613 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: go higher. I want to I want more, I want more, 614 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 1: I want more, And I just pushed myself. And you know, 615 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: people see the clip of me cleaning four to five pounds, right, 616 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: but no one see the clip of me feeling. They 617 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: don't see the hard work put in. And I feel 618 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: like that's not just one for myself, but a lot 619 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: of NFL athletes, a lot of people fail to realize 620 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,120 Speaker 1: there's a lot of hard work to get to where 621 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: we're at. Right, So I go, you know, my story 622 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 1: come out of Rutgers middle round pick, third round, went 623 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 1: to New England. New England was like New York. Compete 624 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,919 Speaker 1: for everything. You're not handing nothing, Do your job. I'm 625 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: playing with Tom Brady. I'm playing with the best of 626 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: the best, and kind of felt like I was joining 627 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,159 Speaker 1: Chicago Bulls and my job wasn't to mess it up. 628 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: Go do my job, do my role. Say what you 629 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 1: say in the media, but that's it. And I'm competing 630 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: for championships right away. Now you fast forward, you meet 631 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: me and you're nine, this polished leader, this guy who 632 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: gave the speeches. When I talk to Devin mccardis, like, Yo, 633 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,439 Speaker 1: you didn't talk for like until year two. I came in. 634 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 1: You were a personality already year three of the league, 635 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,160 Speaker 1: and you already a captain for a year or two, 636 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,160 Speaker 1: so you kind of came in right to it, Like, 637 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: how do you feel like you were prepared to come 638 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: in as a cabine New York And did you just 639 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: think at your personality? Like it's two different kind of 640 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 1: stories here, So tell me how how you go about 641 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 1: it the way I went about it. To be honest, 642 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: it goes back to high school. I never really was, uh, 643 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,880 Speaker 1: you know, that leader vocally. I always was the one 644 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: that maybe I would do it by my work ethic, 645 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,479 Speaker 1: but I would just do it selfishly. You know, I 646 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: was working for myself. People might have took notice of that, 647 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: of how I was pushing myself in that kind of 648 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: brought others along. And then it happened again at Penn State. 649 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: I was forced again. And then my rookie year, I 650 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 1: wasn't voted a captain, but I got to sit back 651 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,479 Speaker 1: and watch a guy like Eli Man and pro bowler, 652 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: future Hall of Famer, and got to see how he operated. 653 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: Even though it was later his career to see how 654 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: he operated from that first year. Just took all that 655 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:55,959 Speaker 1: knowledge and all that was him that took from him 656 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: and consciously stealed it and into my game and to 657 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: my work after. Can you know? I was fortunate enough 658 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: to to be voted to captain my second year and 659 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: it kind of eli left. We traded O'Dell, We just 660 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: drafted a new quarterback, and that role was kind of like, 661 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: who's going to fill that role? Who's gonna fe that role? 662 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 1: I started getting better at that my rookie year. It's 663 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: kind of hard when you're a twenty one year old rookie, 664 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: uh and and you know, trying to talk to a 665 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 1: thirty eight year old VET and get get him going, 666 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 1: and what can I really say to him? I kind 667 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: of just jumped on it and went back to what 668 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: I do best, and that's just just lead by by example, 669 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: come in and work every single day, be that guy 670 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 1: to try to help bring the team together through the 671 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: highs and the loads. And like you said, I noticed 672 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 1: I met you in year nine and I was shocked 673 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: when I actually, have you ever been a captain? And 674 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 1: you told me this is gonna be the first time 675 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: I was I was very shocked. But just your experiences 676 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 1: that you've had, and I was very fortunate enough to 677 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: have that at a short career. You kind of have 678 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 1: the opportunity because when you were in New England, and 679 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, it was still Brady, it 680 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 1: was still this guy and that guy, uh Eli kind 681 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: of left. Eli was there. That role was kind of, 682 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 1: you know, for the taking for for me to come 683 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 1: up and and and establish myself in that least roll Yeah, 684 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: And I mean it's the truth, dude. Like I remember 685 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 1: my first practice. Man, you talked about joking about the 686 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 1: jersey number twenty six. We had a hard Joe Judge 687 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 1: day of a practice. You know how that was. It 688 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 1: was grueling training camp practice, one of the hardest I've 689 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: ever been a part of, regardless of franchise. And after 690 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: practice you're running extra sprints and you're immediately one of 691 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 1: the best players on the film, Like, God, this dude 692 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: is legit, Like let me see him, because I'm the 693 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: type of dude like I want to see him. Like 694 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 1: if you want to see him, great, watch our practice. 695 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: Like that's where you really get the gems on how 696 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 1: dudes do it. And you were running after practice and 697 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 1: I was there my first day and dudes were passing 698 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 1: out in practice and I'm out running everybody and I 699 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 1: wasn't even on a team. I was like, Bro, you 700 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: don't know. This is like what I do at home 701 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 1: is harder than this. You know what I'm saying. People 702 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 1: don't see it. So that's how I knew, Like, Yo, 703 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: this kid is different. This kid is definitely definitely not 704 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: just say Kwan barket the blah blah blah. This man 705 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: is working my respect, you know what I'm saying. So 706 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 1: my last thing I want to hit you with us 707 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: obviously like you've done a great job for your athleticism 708 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 1: and all that stuff, but really as a person building 709 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 1: your brand, Sae Kwon Barkley like the person, the humanitarian, 710 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 1: the athlete, the brand, tell me what goes into that. 711 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: You don't have a lot of kids, a lot of parents, 712 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: maybe listen to this. NFL is gonna put this out 713 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: all over the place, So tell me what, like, how 714 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 1: do you go about your business now that you're a 715 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: celebrity or whatnot, But tell me about your brand? How 716 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 1: much more goes into it than just running and lipping 717 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: and catching the ball and run the ball. The way 718 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: I've grown my brand, it's just by being authentic. A 719 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: lot of times people do grow their brand, but they 720 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 1: do it in a way that's not really who they are, 721 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,719 Speaker 1: you know. Me Like, I don't do stuff to you know, 722 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: like some some stuff that has blown up videos like 723 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 1: I'm not like I'll put the camera on you can 724 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: put the camera on me, like let's do this and 725 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 1: do it. I'm not like, that's not my type of styles. 726 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: Like I'm working and there might be a camera there 727 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 1: or something like that. It would catch me and that 728 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: would revival or you know, I would do a good 729 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: deed for a kid or do something like that. There's 730 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: there's been multiple acts that I've done, whether it's I'm 731 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 1: at them all and I buy a kid to shoe 732 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 1: or where I restaurant, I do this, I do that. 733 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 1: I'm not really one of those guys that are like, hey, 734 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 1: take the phone, like feel me doing this. You know, 735 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 1: God's blessed me and put me in a situation that, um, 736 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 1: I can have impact and you know, I can make 737 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 1: change in people's life just because I'm able to you know, 738 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 1: hold a football and running and running really well. I'm 739 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 1: aware of that. So that's why when people come to 740 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 1: me and ask me for pictures or sign stuff, I 741 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: just try to be polite as I can, and and 742 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 1: I know that little moment could mean the world to 743 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 1: that person or can mean a little to that person. 744 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 1: Just being authentic and being real and just trying to 745 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: make an impact as long as I can, because you know, 746 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 1: this game could be taken from you at any moment. 747 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 1: You know, my Twitter handles real logan Ryan, and this 748 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 1: man is real, Like I trust me. I was looking 749 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: for the fake. I was like, let me see this 750 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: dude's real. Let me see if he's really gonna practice. 751 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: Let me see you really gonna run the sprints. And 752 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:54,959 Speaker 1: he's really like that. You're good, dude, man, you know 753 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 1: that you're my guy. Appreciate you taking the time, Appreciate 754 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 1: being on my first episode. So hopefully it doesn't right 755 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 1: numbers right, No problem, Thanks for having appreciate you, man. 756 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: All right. So we're wrapping up here, and we talked 757 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: to three guys from three different chapters of my life. 758 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 1: We talked a lot about leadership. We said the word 759 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 1: captain a lot um. All these guys are captains, including 760 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 1: myself um at different stages of the career. Different journeys, 761 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 1: and I think the one thing we learned that being 762 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 1: a captain's overrated. Um. I think everyone agreed that when 763 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 1: they got voted to captain, they didn't really change what 764 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 1: they did anyway. And a captain who does change how 765 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 1: they act, or a bass or someone gets promoted starts 766 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: acting differently, really rubs people the wrong way. So I 767 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 1: would encourage everybody from what I learned from a young 768 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: stud like Sae Kwon Barkley, potential Hall of Famer Devin mccordy, 769 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 1: or a guy in a peak of his career Kevin Buyer, 770 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 1: is really be yourself on the field, off the field, 771 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 1: at work, at home, really be yourself, be authentic, UM, 772 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 1: go about your business, care about people, and the rest 773 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 1: will come your way. And honestly, regardless of being a 774 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 1: captain in year nine in my career are taking nine years, 775 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: I had great leadership and impacting all these guys and 776 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 1: they and they really especially Kevin Byard and Say Kwan, 777 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 1: they really felt that of me still being a leader 778 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: doing things they saw day in and day out that 779 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 1: doesn't get a lot of tension, might not be written about, 780 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,800 Speaker 1: but really showed them the ropes. And I wasn't afraid 781 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:24,279 Speaker 1: to share with them, and honestly, I hope you guys 782 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: enjoyed it. It was really fun talk about leadership. Captain 783 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 1: Logan out. Thanks for joining us on the NFL Players Podcast. 784 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 1: Don't forget to subscribe and follow at NFL Players Podcast 785 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 1: on Instagram for the latest players stories and to connect 786 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: with the NFL Players community.