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Speaker 1: I know that Lisa Renna and Kyle were experiencing death

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Speaker 1: they said they were getting death threats. It wasn't really

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Speaker 1: That's that's when a housewife expires. It's okay, it's not

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Speaker 1: So it makes sense that Lisa Renna's mother came up

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Speaker 1: Teresa's a working mother. Teresa's she does appearances for a

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Speaker 1: maybe I'm wrong. Is Teresa acting rich like Kim Zolziak.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why I have. I have a saft

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Speaker 1: just a different brand of fronting and stunting. Like Kim

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Speaker 1: Zolziak acted like she was really rich, no one ever

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Speaker 1: I like Teresa. I don't know what what maybe it

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Speaker 1: I've men met her a couple of times. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I have a soft spot. I don't know. It's not

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