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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold r Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Drive. I am Dale Lollly. He is

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Speaker 2: the Matt Williamson and it's a beautiful one day.

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Speaker 3: It really is.

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Speaker 2: Here in Pittsburgh and well Steeler Ota sessions that are

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Speaker 2: open phase three, I guess it is. They're open to

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Speaker 2: the media. They start tomorrow, so we'll get the chance

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Speaker 2: to see that. We won't be broadcasting down there at

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Speaker 2: least in the first week because there's some construction going

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Speaker 2: on down there.

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Speaker 3: Nowhere for us to set up.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like apparently so, but it didn't bring me

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Speaker 2: to the point here, Matt, where I wanted to talk

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Speaker 2: about this today, and I didn't tell you this before

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Speaker 2: ahead of today. So we're gonna get this completely off

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Speaker 2: off the top Matt's head. Here your top twenty most

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Speaker 2: important Steelers. Oh wow, of the twenty twenty four season.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I thought you're gonna say, what are OTAs all about?

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Speaker 3: What are we going to learn from there? I was

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Speaker 3: kind of prepping my head. Nothing, So let's draw parameters

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Speaker 3: then here Okay, like, is it what because he's the

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Speaker 3: best player, or is he low on the list because

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Speaker 3: we kind of know what he is.

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Speaker 2: When you say we're talking about in level of importance,

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Speaker 2: who can they not afford to not have available?

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Speaker 3: Okay, So I know we've done this every year, and

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Speaker 3: I think that's a good way of putting it. Okay,

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Speaker 3: So who do I at least want to see get injured?

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Speaker 2: Or who's the most important?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Play right? Right?

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Speaker 3: Right? Okay, let's say through it. I mean I think

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Speaker 3: what comes to mind immediately, of course, I mean, he's

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Speaker 3: just the best. I like what's behind him better than

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Speaker 3: we missed when we saw him miss time. But the

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Speaker 3: numbers with him on and off the field are they're

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Speaker 3: real extreme. I mean they're extreme. So he's probably my

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Speaker 3: first vote, but subject to change on these of course. Right,

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Speaker 3: you gotta go quarterback soon, and to me that has

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Speaker 3: to be Wilson over Fields in terms of just he's

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Speaker 3: more important. He's the right but I mean phrasing it

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Speaker 3: that way, what it Fields just blows us away and

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Speaker 3: he turns into.

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Speaker 2: I'm dealing with what if? With what we know? Right now?

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm gonna go wat Wilson my top two. I

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Speaker 3: think I have to go Pickens next.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because of what happens if he goes out right.

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Speaker 3: I mean I can weather some storms with Cam or

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Speaker 3: Minka or Queen or an offensive lineman. I don't want

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Speaker 3: to weather that wide receiver storm minus Pickens. Okay, so

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Speaker 3: the backs will be low because they can't see each

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Speaker 3: other out. I'm just spitballing off the top of my head.

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Speaker 3: I think Friar is important, staying with offense. All the

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Speaker 3: offensive linemen are important. Do we think the tackles are

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Speaker 3: the two most just because they're ceilings the highest, they're

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Speaker 3: very you have.

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Speaker 2: You have less behind them as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 2: You do more.

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Speaker 3: You could live with an interior line situation.

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Speaker 2: You have McCormick there that you know if something happened.

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Speaker 3: I'm not willing to put Fraser in this neighborhood of

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Speaker 3: most important. You had his second round rookie. I can

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Speaker 3: go Cam Hayward probably.

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Speaker 2: Next, then to put Patrick Queen.

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Speaker 3: Thought about it, but I think the Wilson pick gives

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Speaker 3: you four linebackers you can play with.

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Speaker 2: All right, Heyward's next.

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Speaker 3: Then Minka some it's just because they're stars, and of

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Speaker 3: course you know that these are super valuable players. How

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Speaker 3: about Queen Versushigh Smith.

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Speaker 2: If we just stay the Queen versus Highsmith is legit.

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Speaker 3: I think Porters ahead of both of them.

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Speaker 2: Now, I think it's through though you could very well

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Speaker 2: be right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean then then you're trusting Trice or

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Speaker 3: that right now yet. Knowing what I know right now,

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Speaker 3: I feel like we've got to go line here soon.

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Speaker 3: Broderick Jones. I mean I expect him to be the

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Speaker 3: left tackle. We'll have that even more confirmed the next

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Speaker 3: couple of days and more would be suitable. But he's important.

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Speaker 3: I mean he's just flat out important. He was really

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Speaker 3: go Queen. We're hoping he's going to be on the

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Speaker 3: field every snap. That's important. High Smith him, Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: was torn between those two. Is my next guy?

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Speaker 2: I think Smith he's the more established player.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean he's I better at what he

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Speaker 3: does right this second.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna go Benton. I think Okay Mouth Mayne.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, if you especially if something were

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Speaker 2: going to happen to pickings. All of a sudden, fire

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Speaker 2: Mouth becomes out right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, level of importance for friar Mouth is pretty high.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean right now, he's your number two receiver.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he'll be the second guy in the

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Speaker 3: team target wise. And to your point, yeah, is Fields

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Speaker 3: in the top twenty. I think he's to be in

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Speaker 3: my top twenty. I don't know if it'll be my

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Speaker 3: top twelve or so.

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Speaker 2: Right right, just.

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Speaker 3: Because there's a lot of fun stuff to go with there,

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Speaker 3: I think we got to start thinking about O line.

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Speaker 2: I about Frasier, Are you going to be your starting center?

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Speaker 3: Like, I'm not excited about her big being the center? Right.

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Speaker 3: If Fraser were to get hurt tomorrow, I think you

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Speaker 3: start coaching the McCormick, you know. I mean that's kind

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Speaker 3: of beauty there, But I don't think McCormick's gonna a

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Speaker 3: ton of center action. If Fraser gets hurt week ten,

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Speaker 3: you have nine weeks of stuff under his belt. I'm

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Speaker 3: cool with that. Is he the most valuable rookie maybe.

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Speaker 2: Just because of what he's going to be asked to do?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think font News next he's gonna I would

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Speaker 3: be shocked if he doesn't start. Yeah, every snap that

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Speaker 3: he's available to start. Where are we at now? How

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Speaker 3: many nights?

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Speaker 2: That's thirteen?

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Speaker 3: Wow?

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Speaker 2: Navin named Sam Malu, still Haven named Daniels.

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Speaker 3: Both are certainly coming soon.

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Speaker 2: How about a Landon Roberts pretty good for him last year, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: thought they Jackson Jackson I think.

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Speaker 3: Is probably next, just because again, if you lose Jackson

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Speaker 3: I mean by week three a training camp and we're like, eh,

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Speaker 3: can handle it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, these guys are the kids are all right?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Right, I think I'm going fields next.

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Speaker 2: Over Deshaun Elliott.

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Speaker 3: I thought about him too, I mean a starter.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking here. You you got Elliott's, you got Roberts Roberts,

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Speaker 2: you got guards Ogan, Joby.

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Speaker 3: Boswell, And he needs to be mentioned a while ago.

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Speaker 3: We might have to go back here and say who Who's.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully he's not as important this year right as he

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Speaker 2: has been, but.

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Speaker 3: I need him to be reliable because he always has been,

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Speaker 3: minus one year that he was a little banged up

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Speaker 3: like he's he's ahead of Jackson for me, I think

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Speaker 3: he's ahead of Frasier. I just need him to be himself.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I just don't want a variants there. Okay, Okay,

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Speaker 3: now we should probably go guards were gotten on these

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Speaker 3: eyes play every snap. I'll put Sayamal who first, then Daniels.

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Speaker 3: I think he's slightly better.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we still haven't named either of the running backs.

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 3: I think it's about their turn.

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Speaker 2: I mean they would be there on there before fields.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, what about Roman Wilson. I was thinking about Wilson.

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Speaker 3: I think he's gonna be on my top twenty. I

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Speaker 3: don't think Peyton Wilson will be, just because there's enough

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Speaker 3: around him. There's red shirted all year. Holk. Them's interesting

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Speaker 3: just because there's a lot of variants there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how important he is. But if you

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Speaker 3: have him back to.

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Speaker 2: What he was verse you don't have, now you really

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Speaker 2: got something.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Right, you could throw three linebacker packages out there. You

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Speaker 3: could do a lot of different stuff. Okunjobi plays a lot.

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Speaker 3: Elliott you mentioned. I think he's in the conversation. I'm

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Speaker 3: not going backup line, and let's go the two backs here, Okay,

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Speaker 3: nausey then more.

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Speaker 2: And that's nineteen in fields fields over the other guys

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Speaker 2: who start.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, yeah. I mean, in one way, I hope

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Speaker 3: he doesn't see one snap this year, right, In one way,

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Speaker 3: I hope he just blows our doors off to no

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Speaker 3: end starting tomorrow through week eighteen that he's first on

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Speaker 3: this list next year. So you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Here's the thing about this list now that we just

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Speaker 2: put together top twenty Steelers one, two, three, four, five,

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Speaker 2: six of these six of the top twenty, we're not

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Speaker 2: on this team last year?

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Speaker 3: Really, Okay, I wonder if we did that for thirty

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Speaker 3: two teams, would that be high low right in the middle.

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Speaker 2: I bet it'd be pretty high, you would think.

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Speaker 3: So there's a lot of turmoil in the league, and

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Speaker 3: all everyone's first round pick is going to be on there,

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Speaker 3: probably two drive picks per team is going to be

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Speaker 3: on there. How many quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: Changed and we still didn't get to Peyton Wilson.

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Speaker 3: Right right right?

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Speaker 2: Or Roman Yeah, Peyton or either the Wilson.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, wells, I think that's good though.

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Speaker 2: They went we were having no Wilson's having three Wilson.

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Speaker 3: There's many jokes to be made there, I'm sure. Is

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Speaker 3: that a good thing or a bad thing? That six

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Speaker 3: twentieth is new?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that you know from the fact that.

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Speaker 3: You in fact, you revamped your whole quarterback room.

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Speaker 2: You've revamped your quarterback room, You've rebuilt your offensive line,

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Speaker 2: you brought in essentially you've no and we haven't really

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Speaker 2: talked about this, but forty percent of their inside linebacker

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Speaker 2: room is going to be new. Yeah yeaheah, So basically

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Speaker 2: half of that's going to be new. It'd be a

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Speaker 2: lot of different inside linebacker snaps.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, your cornerback, corner Peterson was the most snapped,

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Speaker 3: highest snap defensive player. He certainly won't be this year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean they've they've retold a lot.

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Speaker 3: Of this, without question. Defensive front's about the same, you're outside.

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Speaker 3: Your pass catchers minus Deontae are close slash to be determined.

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Speaker 3: Your running backs are about the same. Okay, where are

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Speaker 3: the holes in that? I mean, again, this would be

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Speaker 3: my rough draft. Would Fields make your top twenty? I mean,

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Speaker 3: you could put an Elliott in there, or.

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Speaker 2: I'd probably go with somebody that back that play that's

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Speaker 2: going to play eight hundred snaps, right, Yeah, yeah, I

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Speaker 2: mean that's pretty important. But I can see again I

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Speaker 2: would come up with a package where Field is on

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Speaker 2: the on the field for five to ten snap per game.

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Speaker 3: I really brought him up just because he could pay

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Speaker 3: off so big. You know, if boy, he is so impressive,

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Speaker 3: he is important. If that's what we're talking about, is importance.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. You know now that top ten was.

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Speaker 2: I still have a lot of hope for Darius Rush.

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Speaker 3: And then should have been like every mock we did,

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Speaker 2: Probably, Hey, we may we may see Corderio Patterson could

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Speaker 2: You can put him in the slots. You can do

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, Ye get to a break.

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Speaker 3: That is the considered Washington cause. If he takes a

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, let's get to a break. He is the Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 2: Nation Radio. And Matt I got into a little bit

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Speaker 2: I'm like, why would they? Only they they average nineteen

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Speaker 2: any better? He's like, you got an old quarterback, you

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Speaker 2: I'm like, you got a legitimate guy, a proven offensive

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Speaker 3: Yeah, with all respect in Canada, I think it's a

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Speaker 2: I mean this is this is a guy, I mean Canada,

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Speaker 3: Not with stud quarterbacks either.

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Speaker 2: He's he did it with Brian Tannehill, right, who was left.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he understands that. He's been around it, he's done it.

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Speaker 2: He's you know, he's been He's worked under some of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, behind the list.

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Speaker 2: I might be behind Lebou, but they would be sure, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: You know, get good money elsewhere to become head coaches.

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Speaker 2: He worked for all three of those guys.

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Speaker 2: Mean right, Yeah, that's one of the things that that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that goes a long way. Friend of a friend.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think it was Mike. Tomlin had

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Speaker 3: And those guys spend ungodly hours together. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 3: Him, and they all kept him, but they did have to.

439
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:45,399
Speaker 3: I mean, they like, I'll bring to my guy I

440
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,080
Speaker 3: want to see. So No, I definitely believe there's a

441
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 3: coordinator system play calling upgrade. Yeah, back to the nineteen

442
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:52,199
Speaker 3: point thing.

443
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,679
Speaker 2: I think the offensive line is going to be better.

444
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,480
Speaker 3: I'd be shocked if it wasn't. Yeah, I mean I

445
00:21:58,520 --> 00:21:58,880
Speaker 3: really will.

446
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:00,399
Speaker 2: It may not be better right away.

447
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 3: Like people expect the two first round picks or two

448
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,240
Speaker 3: first picks to come in and just be stars, and

449
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:08,680
Speaker 3: I think that's crazy, that's.

450
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 2: That's a lot, that's a bit much to ask. But

451
00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,359
Speaker 2: I expect, especially I expect Roger Jones to be much better.

452
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,400
Speaker 3: Me too, especially in protection and just understand you know, yeah,

453
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 3: natural side, better technique, understanding the speed of the game,

454
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,200
Speaker 3: all that stuff too. Yes, the guard should be a

455
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,120
Speaker 3: strong guard pairing strong guard.

456
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,000
Speaker 2: One of the top five in the league.

457
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,200
Speaker 3: I would think so. And I think they'll be growing

458
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 3: pains at center, but like every I mean, I think

459
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,239
Speaker 3: the light at the end of the tunnel will be

460
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,560
Speaker 3: very good. Like that's not a knock on Fraser, it's

461
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 3: a rookie center.

462
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,119
Speaker 2: I think when they hit that set, that stretch in

463
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,159
Speaker 2: the second half of the season, when they were facing

464
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 2: that gauntlet of tough teams, those guys should be ready

465
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:49,879
Speaker 2: to They're not gonna be rookies anymore.

466
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 3: No, you would think that they're that's go put it.

467
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,680
Speaker 3: You're not rookies anymore. Hopefully you haven't hit a rookie

468
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 3: wall where you're worn out.

469
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 2: But you're you know, you're nine or ten games into

470
00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,240
Speaker 2: this thing. You understand the speed of the game. You

471
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,479
Speaker 2: understand what teams are going to throw at you.

472
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 3: I can't live with blown assignments anymore. Hey, yeah, you're

473
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 3: gonna get beat by Miles Garrett or Quinnin Williams or

474
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 3: sure you know, as is everybody. But I can't. Rookie

475
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,879
Speaker 3: mistakes aren't going to cut it anymore. And hopefully the

476
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 3: continuity is there.

477
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 2: And I think they're too. They're running back tandem is

478
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:19,399
Speaker 2: one of the top two in the league.

479
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was last year. It was last year.

480
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 2: That's not a stretch.

481
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 3: That's not a stretch. I think that's it should remain.

482
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 2: So, you know, you have a good running game. You

483
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 2: know you have your offensive line has the potential to

484
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 2: be better. I think it will be better. You've got

485
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 2: to how much better. You're better at coordinator. There's no

486
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 2: way you're going to throw thirteen touchdown passes this year. No,

487
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 2: your quarterbacks should produce. And when I'm saying they should produce,

488
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 2: I'm talking throwing and running. You should have twenty plus

489
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 2: touchdowns from quarterbacks.

490
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,399
Speaker 3: Let's end on quarterbacks. There's a couple of first I

491
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,640
Speaker 3: fully expect friar Mouth to be more productive.

492
00:23:58,720 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 2: Yes, well he could, I mean.

493
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,160
Speaker 3: Almost nowhere to go. But yeah, I mean, and yes,

494
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 3: everyone we just mentioned could all get injured, be off

495
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:08,360
Speaker 3: the season. We all recognize that. But assuming some used year, Yes,

496
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 3: I think he's going to be fantasy relevant, you know.

497
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 3: I mean like he's gonna catch passes every week.

498
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 2: He's gonna have four or five catches per game.

499
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, and be part of the game plan and attack

500
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,159
Speaker 3: at different levels and get in the end zone back

501
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,360
Speaker 3: to your touchdown, you know, throwing thing. He's gonna help

502
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 3: with that. I don't know if the rest of the

503
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 3: tight ends will be better or worse, but I'm fine

504
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 3: with them. The chances are they'll be better.

505
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 2: I think it's really still young.

506
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 3: They're all still young. Well prove it's not. But who cares,

507
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, he's in the mix and he

508
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 3: knows stuff. I do think there is value to bringing

509
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,360
Speaker 3: all these falcons in to help teach too. Whether they

510
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 3: produce big numbers on the field or not, I really

511
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 3: don't care. Lake friar Mouth. I think Pickens takes a

512
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 3: step forward again. Now, you obviously can say, yeah, they

513
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 3: needed Deontay Johnson, and I think that's true. But they're

514
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 3: gonna play football a little differently in terms of what

515
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 3: players are on the field. And I don't think they're

516
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 3: going to ask Alan Robinson Lake guy to be one

517
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,919
Speaker 3: of their best blockers, you know what I mean. I mean, instead,

518
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 3: that's going to be Washington or whomever maybe prove it

519
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 3: or Hey Word or whoever. So number two receiver, of

520
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 3: course worries me.

521
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 2: Here's the thing, though, Matt their number two pass catcher

522
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,919
Speaker 2: last year, yeah, was Jaylen Warren. It's surprising he had

523
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 2: sixty one catches. Deontay Johnson had fifty one catches last year.

524
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,439
Speaker 2: Are you telling me they can't replicate fifty one catches

525
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:29,679
Speaker 2: out of it? I'd like to do, you'd like to

526
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 2: do better than that.

527
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 3: I say, that's a bar that I want to get.

528
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 3: I want to raised anyway.

529
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 2: But we also think the Pickens is going to have

530
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 2: more than sixty three catches that he had with this

531
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Speaker 2: show hundred and six targets. I'm gonna say Pickens gets

532
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty five plus targets this year.

533
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 3: I was just say one forty. Yeah, I mean, assuming

534
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 3: some relative amount of health. And that goes out saying

535
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 3: for all these conversations yeah.

536
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 2: So if he gets one hundred and twenty five or

537
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,360
Speaker 2: more targets, he should have seventy plus catches.

538
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 3: I wonder how many targets Drake London got last year.

539
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 3: I mean yeah in that name hood. But back to

540
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 3: quarters now, I think it's a little foolish to say

541
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:12,360
Speaker 3: the quarterback position will definitely be better because Rudolph played

542
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 3: pretty well, played very well down stretch.

543
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 2: Ray Glennon had one hundred and ten targets last year.

544
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 3: Okay, I would take the over, but he missed a game.

545
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 3: Did he miss a game? Okay? To say that the

546
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,159
Speaker 3: quarterback position as a whole will definitely be better than

547
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty three version, I think is foolish. Now,

548
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 3: if I had to put a chip on yes or no,

549
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 3: I would say yes it will.

550
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 2: So here's what you Here's what the quarterback room produced

551
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 2: last year, and it's spars.

552
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 3: So if especially take the Rudolph last couple of games out,

553
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 3: it's brutal.

554
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 2: Three hundred and twenty three completions on five hundred and

555
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 2: six target pass attempts, so sixty three point eight percent

556
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,360
Speaker 2: completion percentage.

557
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 3: Which is fine in itself.

558
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 2: Thirty four hundred and twenty one yards, thirteen touchdowns, nine interceptions,

559
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 2: a passer rating of eighty four point six.

560
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 3: The thirteen to nine things is the key, right. Nine's wonderful,

561
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,360
Speaker 3: nine's fantastic. And we talked about all there's.

562
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 2: Sixteen interceptions against them. If you don't get to that,

563
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 2: I'd like a number if you threw more than nine

564
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 2: interceptions this season, but it was fewer than sixteen. But

565
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 2: you also had the twenty three touchdown passes that opponents

566
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 2: threw against the Steelers last year.

567
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 3: Right, I think that's what you're striving for.

568
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 2: I would take that. Let's say it's twenty three and twelve.

569
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 3: Like we both agree, nine interceptions is going.

570
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 2: To go up potentially. I bet it will probably, but

571
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 2: I'm very much believa. Although Wilson over the course of

572
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 2: his career.

573
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 3: These guys aren't big turnover guys. They're big sack guys,

574
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 3: and there's some fumbling, but all in all, Wilson protects

575
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 3: football pretty well.

576
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 2: I mean, he's only had four seasons in his career,

577
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,400
Speaker 2: five seasons in his career where he's thrown more than nine.

578
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 3: Really, and he's never thrown a long career, and he

579
00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 3: never misses time.

580
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 2: He's never thrown more than thirteen in season.

581
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 3: Wow, Okay, I still think it'll be double digits.

582
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 2: But you can live with double digits if you're getting

583
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 2: if you're getting over twenty touchdown passes.

584
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, and say the touchdown passes is unacceptable. Yeah, I

585
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 3: mean it was.

586
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 2: You know, you can live with the nine interceptions or

587
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, you can live with the thirteen touches. Couldn't

588
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 2: live with it, but you could deal with it because

589
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 2: you only had nine interceptions.

590
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:24,959
Speaker 3: You managed it.

591
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 2: You managed it.

592
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 3: Now. I do think they'll take more sacks, even with

593
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 3: the line being better. Yeah, I mean these guys.

594
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were sacked thirty six times last.

595
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,719
Speaker 3: Year, which is probably average.

596
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, so if it goes up to say, let's say

597
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 2: forty five, all right, I can again, I can live

598
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 2: with that. Again, if you if you're throwing, if you

599
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say you're gonna double those touchdown passes

600
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 2: twenty six.

601
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 3: Big plays from the quarterback period. But if it's twenty two, yeah,

602
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 3: I mean, even offense is much better. Yeah. One of

603
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 3: them takes twenty yards, you know, like, yeah, pick it

604
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 3: was capable, But I think it's telling and I'm not

605
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 3: picking on the guys that are gone. The Rudolph played

606
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 3: well was it three games going into the playoffs, and

607
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 3: it was like a revelation. It was like, Wow, what

608
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 3: a different offense with quality quarterback play. Now we can

609
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 3: blame coordinators, we can blame Kenny, we can blame Mitch, etc.

610
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 3: But there was not quality quarterback play for the majority

611
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 3: of the year. And when you saw it, you knew it.

612
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 3: And I expect to see it this year. I do

613
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 3: think there'll be more variants though, a lot more variants,

614
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 3: and by that I mean a lot more good, a

615
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 3: lot more touchdown passes, a lot more stats, and some

616
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 3: more bad here in there.

617
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 2: Okay, So in the red zone last year, this is

618
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 2: just last year, Russell Wilson was forty two of seventy

619
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 2: for two hundred and seventy yards, sixty percent completion percentage,

620
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 2: twenty touchdowns, one interception.

621
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 3: Wow in the red zone, yeah, I mean red zone

622
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 3: picks kill you, and he's the veteran at this stage

623
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 3: that knows that and is not going to force the issue.

624
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 2: But twenty touchdowns in the inside the opposing twenty, I'm sorry,

625
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 2: inside the opposing ten. He was twenty of forty one.

626
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 2: That's forty eight point or forty nine percent basically, which

627
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 2: actually isn't bad you when you look at everything, very tight,

628
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 2: very tight windows. Twelve touchdowns, one interception, Okay, almost as

629
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 2: many touchdown passes inside the ten field right as the

630
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 2: Steelers had as a team.

631
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 3: Right, No, that itself is huge, Dad, in itself is huge.

632
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 3: I don't know this, but I'm sure if you pulled

633
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 3: every opposing defensive coordinator when the Steelers got in tight

634
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 3: was we're not letting him run the same right. You know,

635
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 3: we're gonna make the quarterback drive it into you know,

636
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 3: if he beats us thrown into a tight window, so

637
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 3: be it. So I do think defensive coordinators are probably

638
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 3: looking at Steelers too, like we're gonna have to play

639
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 3: them differently. Yeah, and without question, we know it's gonna

640
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 3: be run heavy. But this guy can beat us over

641
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 3: the top. He's gonna beat us in red zone.

642
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 2: He knows where to throw the football.

643
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, So I think I said you this. But

644
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 3: football Siders formerly football Siders. Their latest Devoa article is

645
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 3: all about pressures with quarterbacks last year, and I know

646
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 3: you and I both think a pressure it's kind of

647
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,719
Speaker 3: a gray area. I mean, I'd rather sacks or whatever. Yeah,

648
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 3: but whoever to accumulate them the two most fields and

649
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 3: Wilson had more pressures against them than any two quarterbacks

650
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 3: in the league. Now, some of it's because they invite it,

651
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 3: but some of it's because people around them too. Yeah,

652
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 3: I mean, if we could bring those down to mediocre numbers,

653
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 3: you know where just be an average pressures allowed team,

654
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 3: even if your quarterback's holding the ball a little, which

655
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 3: is why they drafted a tackle in the first round

656
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 3: and the center in the second round. They know this stuff.

657
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 3: You should get more big plays, a lot more big plays.

658
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 2: Absolutely, So I look at some of that stuff and

659
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 2: some of the more even some of the other outside numbers.

660
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 2: On Russell Wilson on third and between seven and nine yards,

661
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 2: he was seventeen to twenty three, nine first downs, three

662
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 2: touchdowns in an interception. Yeah, third and ten plus he

663
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 2: was twenty one to thirty two for two hundred and

664
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 2: thirty nine yards and created eight first downs. I mean

665
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 2: these are those are not easy situations.

666
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's been I mean that's just being around the block. Yeah,

667
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 3: being a potential Hall of Fame type guy, even if

668
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 3: you're not what you used to be or don't have

669
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 3: your fastball, or you're not running four to four anymore.

670
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 3: I know how third downs work on the road in

671
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 3: Kansas City. Yeah, you know what I mean. I understand

672
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 3: how the world works or what defense are trying to

673
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 3: do to me in the red zone. And boy, I

674
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 3: better get this out now or throw it in the seats.

675
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 3: You know, I'm not going to throw picks.

676
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 2: He's going to be a much more And this is

677
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 2: no knock on Kenny Pickett or any of the other

678
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 2: Steeler quarterbacks that play last year, but he is. He

679
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 2: is much more astute professionally, Sure, much further along professionally

680
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 2: than any of those guys.

681
00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 3: Sure, I mean even end of career Ben.

682
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, essentially what he is, except he's more.

683
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 2: He still has some of the athleticism.

684
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I think he's physically in

685
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 3: better shape than Ben was at the very end post surgery.

686
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 2: You know, I mean this, You and I both agree

687
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 2: that Russell Wilson is not what he was three or

688
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 2: four years ago.

689
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 3: Agreed, agreed, But he was also a top five quarterback then.

690
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 2: Yes, right, exactly. But he's probably still if he's playing

691
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 2: the way I think he can play. He's a top

692
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 2: fifteen quarterback.

693
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 3: I think so too. I mean some of it is

694
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 3: check your ego to door. Yeah, you don't have to

695
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 3: carry the team, you know, revitalize your the way the

696
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 3: whole league looks at you. Yeah, that type of thing too,

697
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 3: you know. Yea.

698
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 2: He talked openly about that. This presc He's like, I've

699
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 2: got something to prove. Yeah, you know, he wants to rehab.

700
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 3: His his uh, his reputation.

701
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 2: This is like, this is a guy before he went

702
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 2: to Denver, we would all agree he was a slam

703
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 2: dunk Hall of Famer.

704
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 3: I was asked that many times and I said yes.

705
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 3: And the day he got traded, I remember getting asked that.

706
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 3: I'm like, he's in. If he quits now, I don't know.

707
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's been tarnished a bit.

708
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:10,720
Speaker 3: It has been tied.

709
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 2: If he comes out and plays well, then you know,

710
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 2: this year and maybe next year and beyond for the

711
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 2: Steelers the next two or three seasons.

712
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 3: You know, Seattle career is a Hall of Fame career. Yeah,

713
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 3: I mean it's better than Matt Ryan's, Yeah, Stafford or.

714
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 2: A couple of Super Bowls. You know, Dave, he's right

715
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 2: there with anybody rookie starter.

716
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, he came in. I think it was Rookie of

717
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 3: the Year. I'm sure he was. I don't remember off

718
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 3: the top of my head, but I'm sure he was.

719
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 3: He was star as a rookie. One thing I knew.

720
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 3: He wasn't a high pick guy. But I'm shocked that

721
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 3: he's only thrown double digits what he said three years.

722
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 2: I think four times in the war career.

723
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 3: I've been over what like twelve year period or athing

724
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 3: like that.

725
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 2: He has been in that he has valued the football

726
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 2: in that respect very well.

727
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,439
Speaker 3: So he got a lot of heat for checking down

728
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 3: a ton with Denver, but I think a lot of

729
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 3: that was.

730
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 2: I think that's what he was being told to.

731
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 3: Do, right, like either my picking my quitness in harm's

732
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 3: way or checking it down and trying to get my

733
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 3: defense to keep us in it because I think the

734
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:05,439
Speaker 3: Steeler would rather check them down.

735
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean, I think a lot

736
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 2: of that was. I mean, all you have to do

737
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 2: is look at Sean Payton's career. They didn't have Alvin

738
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 2: Kamara catching catching all those passes with the Saints when

739
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 2: Peyton was because he, you know, he was the primary receiver.

740
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 3: He was a checkdown, was a checkdown, get out, easy yardage.

741
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know if this holds true, but

742
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 3: I knew it for a fact as of like three

743
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 3: years ago. The most efficient play in all of football

744
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 3: is throwing the running back. Yeah, like in terms of EPA,

745
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 3: and you know, like what you get for the risk,

746
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,280
Speaker 3: and it's the most efficient play.

747
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 2: And the Steelers have two running backs who catched the

748
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 2: ball very well.

749
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, Warren was the second leader return or

750
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 3: receiver least. And I think I'll catch a ton of ball.

751
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,800
Speaker 2: So yes, I do think the offense will be better.

752
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 3: Do you think collectively? I think it's a while. It

753
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 3: was quite an easy answer. Collectively, the running back and

754
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 3: tight end position will catch more passes, yes, but by

755
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 3: how much? I guess this is the question.

756
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 2: Although the running backs last year, between Warren and Harris,

757
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 2: they ended up with ninety catches. That's a lot of catches.

758
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 3: Like we were definitely taking the over on Friar moveth

759
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 3: from last year. I'm taking the over on Washington. But

760
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 3: that's an easy one. So I do think those positions

761
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 3: will catch more and receivers will catch less. I just

762
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 3: wonder how much more, you know.

763
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 2: And for the for the for the running backs, those

764
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 2: ninety catches came on. They only had one hundred and

765
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 2: twelve targets. To your point, those are easy completions.

766
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe their targets go up. Yeah, Tom over one twelve.

767
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 3: Especially Patterson in there too. Yeah, he doesn't catch ten balls?

768
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 2: Is here?

769
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 3: Oh yeah? Yeah?

770
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 2: I mean you gonna try to get the ball in

771
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 2: his hands.

772
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean he's out there, he's touch the

773
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 3: ball fair amount. Yeah, So I know your completion percentage

774
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 3: canna be high thrown.

775
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 2: I mean, and think about you know, Okay, they don't

776
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 2: have Deontay Johnson, but Alan Robinson had thirty four catches

777
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 2: last year. You know, that's that's that's too much. Calvin

778
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,879
Speaker 2: Austin only had seventeen on thirty targets. Miles Boykin had

779
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 2: three catches. There are pickens, say yeah, they're better down

780
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 2: the doubt.

781
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 3: Yeah right. Robinson didn't scare anybody, no, I mean he

782
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 3: was a turnaround catch it. Maybe get a.

783
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:10,919
Speaker 2: Yard at he averaged eight point two yards to catch.

784
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 3: I mean I would think Roman Wilson will bring more

785
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 3: to the table, yeah than Robinson.

786
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, Roman Wilson will have more than thirty four catches

787
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 2: this season. True or false?

788
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 3: True?

789
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

790
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 3: I Mean my worry is if they would land a

791
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 3: big dog between now and then. But I still think

792
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 3: he's going to be the three.

793
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. Robinson had forty nine targets last year. Roman Wilson

794
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,919
Speaker 2: will get more than forty nine targets forty nine Yeah, Yeah,

795
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 2: I think Deontay Johnson. Johnson had eighty seven targets.

796
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 3: That's the hole. Yeah, I mean, that's what's missing right now.

797
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 3: But some of those will go to tight ends running back.

798
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 2: But Friarmuth only had forty seven targets last year. That's

799
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 2: going to go up.

800
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 3: That's gonna I don't say double, but it's going to

801
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 3: go up by it might.

802
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 2: Be close to double. I mean, you know it'll be

803
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 2: ninety four.

804
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I bet he gets over eighty.

805
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 2: I mean that's closer to what he had. You know,

806
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 2: if you look at his his first couple of years

807
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 2: in the league, you know he had more than sixty

808
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 2: catches in each of his first two seasons. He had

809
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 2: seventy nine targets, ninety eight targets, forty seven targets.

810
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, he has much things.

811
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 2: He'll be much closer to the ninety eight targets this

812
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 2: year than the forty seven.

813
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 3: And I think we'll affirm that is when and if

814
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 3: that contract comes through. Everything we're telling you is just

815
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 3: been backed up by numbers, which I think will happen

816
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 3: before the season.

817
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, I do think the offense will be better.

818
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 3: I did too, I mean under any metric though it

819
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 3: was like the fifth worst offense in the league. Yeah,

820
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 3: I mean, so I think it'll be mediocre, I mean average.

821
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 2: I think if you can get that, if you're out,

822
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 2: if your offense is average, but you have a top

823
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 2: five or six defense, should be pretty good.

824
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 3: I mean, just think what last year will look like

825
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:46,280
Speaker 3: with an average offense.

826
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 2: Because we think this Brown's offense. The special team should

827
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:49,919
Speaker 2: be better this year.

828
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 3: I would think punting.

829
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 2: Should get a better punter. You've got a legitimate threaturn

830
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 2: as a return guy.

831
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 3: You should have one of the best return games in

832
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 3: the league. Yeah, and you should one of the best

833
00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,959
Speaker 3: special teams in the league now I think about it. Yeah,

834
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 3: kickers great, your punter's great, and your returnment are good.

835
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 2: Yeah.

836
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:05,760
Speaker 3: So I and changed some of the core special teamers.

837
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:06,959
Speaker 3: The James Pierre's are.

838
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 2: Gone, but but you still have an all Pro.

839
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 3: You got a good special teams coach that's going to

840
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 3: coaches guys up.

841
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 2: They'll block a kicker too this year. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

842
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:13,919
Speaker 2: they do it every year.

843
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

844
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 2: So let's get to another break. He is the Matt Williamson.

845
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 2: I'm Dale Lolly. You're listening to the Drive here on

846
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 2: Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be back to finish up hour

847
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 2: number one right after this.

848
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849
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,160
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Speaker 2: see all these new rookies over there running around in

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Speaker 2: new players Yeah yeah, running around this week over on

860
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861
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Speaker 3: Real football stuff.

862
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, We're getting closer and closer and Matt to finish

863
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Speaker 2: up hour number one. Here, Pro Football Focus put together

864
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 2: a list ranking the top thirty players over thirty. Yeah,

865
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Speaker 2: this time twenty twenty four season.

866
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 3: This time of year you see a lot of top

867
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Speaker 3: twenty fives under twenty fives. And they did that too,

868
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,399
Speaker 3: and ESPN does it every year and since the first

869
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 3: time I remember having an old man list though, I mean,

870
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Speaker 3: which I thought was kind of interesting and just so happens.

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872
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874
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Speaker 3: I have not read it yet, so we'll go through

876
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 3: it and we'll give us off to a girl John

877
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 3: on or who is just mitsour and all that stuff.

878
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 2: You start the bottom and you want to go to

879
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 2: the top.

880
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 3: That's good. Bottom to top. Okay, thirty thirty plus I

881
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 3: think on opening.

882
00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 2: Day, guys, yes, guys who are over thirty. Is Joe

883
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:01,720
Speaker 2: Thuni with the Chiefs.

884
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 3: Pretty good, good player, Ivan for being the thirtieth best

885
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 3: at anything. It's one of the best guards in the league.

886
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 2: Still twenty nine, am Marii Cooper. Yeah, I know.

887
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 3: He's the rival, but I think he's a little underrated.

888
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 3: I mean he's a high quality do it all player.

889
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 2: Twenty eight Joel Botonio so two Browns rise, which worth noting.

890
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 3: Worth noting because I mean, considering their contractual stuff, these

891
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 3: thirty year olds are not who you want to be

892
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 3: counting on.

893
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 2: Twenty seven is Mike Evans.

894
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 3: He had a great year last year. I was actually

895
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 3: starting to doubt him. Never owned him in fantasy last

896
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 3: year and I missed bad. He's a Hall of famer.

897
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 2: Don't you think he's on that track?

898
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 3: I mean, never had a year under a one thousand yards,

899
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 3: still producing at this age.

900
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 2: Twenty six Brandon Graham.

901
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 3: Ooh, I don't know that he'd be ahead of any

902
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 3: of the guys.

903
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think you know they're going by

904
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 2: their pro football focused grades.

905
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 3: For whatever reason, he's always graded really, really well, and

906
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 3: he's a high quality player, like he's a part time

907
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 3: player like him and Fletcher Cox, and there's a couple

908
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 3: of these Eagles that will be on their Ring of

909
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 3: Honor whatever that are great players. You can't say aything

910
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 3: bad about. But I don't know he's a difference maker anymore.

911
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. Twenty five stuff on Diggs still Yeah, Okay. I

912
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 2: saw a thing over the weekend where somebody's talking about

913
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 2: the top quarterback wide receiver pairings in the league and

914
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 2: they listed CJ. Straw with stuff on Diggs. I'm like,

915
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 2: he's not going to be their number one receiver. I

916
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 2: think Nico's NiCoT or football player Nico Collins is there

917
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 2: is their number one.

918
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 3: I think that was are really good too. Yeah, I

919
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 3: mean Diggs could catch the most pass on the team

920
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 3: or the third most. I would bet on Niko.

921
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 2: Their problem is going to be if Diggs isn't catching

922
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 2: the most passes on Yeah, that's going to be the issue.

923
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 3: It's of all little situation.

924
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 2: Twenty four Aaron Rodgers.

925
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 3: I'm sure he's the oldest guy on the list. I

926
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 3: think he's over forty. Yeah, if we did a forty

927
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 3: in over list, he'd probably be number one. I don't

928
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 3: where you'd drank him though.

929
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 2: Twenty three is Morgan Moses. I don't agree.

930
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 3: Oh like Joe Tone needs a lot better Morgan most Yeah,

931
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 3: Liman Lineman, Yeah, there were not close.

932
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 2: Twenty two is Tyram Mathow. Hard to believe he's over

933
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 2: thirty now.

934
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess he's probably thirty one, thirty two. Yeah,

935
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 3: I don't know if he's a Hall of Famer, but

936
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 3: he's had a really good career, solid career. Yeah.

937
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 2: Twenty one the Forest Buckner.

938
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 3: I'm a fan. He's another one that he reminds me

939
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 3: of Cam Hayward, Kalays Campbell, A couple of these dudes

940
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 3: that are that generation that probably won't get in the

941
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame, but super well respected. Some you know

942
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 3: Walter Payton Men of the Year on that list I mentioned,

943
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 3: Buckner is always a finalist too, I mean, really really

944
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 3: good player, leader, still can go. I'm a fan.

945
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:40,280
Speaker 2: Number twenty Cooper Cup, Yeah.

946
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 3: I mean still pretty darn good. He's still pretty darn good.

947
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 3: I mean even like if you're.

948
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 2: If he told me today that the Steelers could trade

949
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 2: for Cooper Cup, yeah, I'd be like, yeah, sign me up.

950
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 3: Really really good years I him and doing a lot

951
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 3: of stuff, Like if him and the Coop are both healthy,

952
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,919
Speaker 3: that passing game is going to be really really good.

953
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:00,760
Speaker 2: Me tough to handle.

954
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

955
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 2: Nineteen Zadarius Smith another Brown. I wouldn't put him that high.

956
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 3: I wouldn't either. I wouldn't either. I mean I think

957
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 3: he's maybe would make the top thirty. I think he's

958
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 3: ahead of Morgan Moses, you know, a couple guys like that.

959
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 3: But like, is he better than Aaron Rodgers?

960
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 2: I wouldn't think so. Is he better than Cooper Kopp?

961
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 2: I don't think so either, Yeah, or DeForest Buckle.

962
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,439
Speaker 3: I would if you don't keep it D line versus

963
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 3: D line, I'd rather Buckner.

964
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 2: That's three cow or three Browns.

965
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,280
Speaker 3: Three Browns, which I know there's gonna be a Steeler

966
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,919
Speaker 3: on here. So it's not like you don't want too many.

967
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 2: You don't want too many.

968
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 3: That's the problems to count on him.

969
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:39,959
Speaker 2: Eighteen Dak Prescott.

970
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,479
Speaker 3: He's probably right at thirty. Yeah, give or take. That's fair.

971
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 3: I mean second the MVP ballot last year. Yeah, I

972
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 3: mean probably should be higher.

973
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 2: Seventeen de Marcus Lawrence.

974
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 3: Like I would put Dak ahead of Lawrence on the

975
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 3: same team. But Lawrence has had a high quality career.

976
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 3: He might be a Hall of Famer, might be just

977
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 3: three or four more years. I mean, you know, one

978
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 3: hundred sacks is like a magic number for the Hall

979
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 3: of Fame. He's got to be.

980
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 2: I think he might be.

981
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.

982
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 2: I think he might have more than that maybe.

983
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's been around for a while doing it at

984
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 3: a high level.

985
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 2: Sixteen it's Keenan Allen.

986
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't stretch the field much anymore.

987
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 2: But he he it's like clockwork.

988
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 3: It's the old man game at the lie. But how

989
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 3: did he get another rebound? He gets every rebound? Yeah right,

990
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 3: how's put that right exactly?

991
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 2: Fifteen Bobby Wagner.

992
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, he had a real down year two years ago

993
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 3: but bounced back big. I'm cool with that. I think

994
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 3: he's an.

995
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 2: Easy Hall of Famer Fourteen to Mario Davis.

996
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 3: Very underrated. He's had a really really good career. He's

997
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 3: kind of like that Buckner Brandon Graham conversation, Like if

998
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 3: he was a Steeler, everybody would have a jersey. Mean,

999
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 3: he's big and physical, tough.

1000
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,240
Speaker 2: Thirteen Laramie tunsl.

1001
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 3: Wow, I'm just shocked he's that old.

1002
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 2: I'm just saying this thinking the same thing.

1003
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 3: Like one, there was a Bong mast that long long ago.

1004
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 2: It was pretty long ago. Yeah, and I.

1005
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 3: Assume he came out as a junior. I mean he

1006
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 3: was a superstar prospect.

1007
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1008
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 3: Wow, Okay, that just made me feel old there.

1009
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 2: Twelve Khalil Mack. Yeah, he had a really good good year.

1010
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 2: I mean, made a couple of really good games, a

1011
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 2: couple of really good games.

1012
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he can still play the run and many's

1013
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 3: good football player. Still, it's a Hall of Famer.

1014
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 2: He might be, might be Defensive Player of the Year

1015
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 2: and yeah, yeah some highs. Uh eleven Cam Hayward. Yeah,

1016
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 2: even coming off of the year that he had last year. Yeah,

1017
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 2: where he basically played on one leg. He is still

1018
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,760
Speaker 2: when he's healthy, respective dominant player. Yeah.

1019
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 3: And I don't know. I mean, Aaron Rodgers a really

1020
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 3: hard one to grade, but I'm not sure. And Dak

1021
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 3: because a quarterback. Yeah, but I'm not sure who I'd

1022
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 3: put noticeably ahead of him that we just talked about.

1023
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,800
Speaker 2: He had six straight seasons of eighty four and a

1024
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 2: half plus PFF grades eight really good. Yeah. Last year

1025
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 2: was seventy three point.

1026
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 3: One, Okay, which I surprise me.

1027
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would expect him to bounce back to the Yeah. Yeah,

1028
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,919
Speaker 2: because he's just an assignment sound.

1029
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 3: Dealing with a lot of injuries. Yeah.

1030
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 2: Uh. Ten Derrick Henry, I.

1031
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 3: Guess I think that's earned. I Mean, I doubt nobody

1032
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 3: ever writes his list, but if we do them every year,

1033
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,399
Speaker 3: I bet most times there's not a running back on there.

1034
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. Nine is DeVante Adams.

1035
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, like I think he's noticed better than Diggs,

1036
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:30,280
Speaker 3: better than Cop. Adams is strong.

1037
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:31,800
Speaker 2: Eight is Kirk Cousins.

1038
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have him a head of Dak. I wouldn't

1039
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 3: either were Rogers, but in a different type of seasons.

1040
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 3: He ain's come up an injury.

1041
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1042
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 3: Good years is Rogers, Yeah yeah.

1043
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:50,240
Speaker 2: Seven Travis Kelsey mm hmm, how about that a little bit? Yeah?

1044
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 3: I mean it's not playing his many STAPs during the

1045
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 3: regular season. They're saving him, but he can still get

1046
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 3: your hoop when you need it.

1047
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:58,720
Speaker 2: Six is Lane Johnson.

1048
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 3: Sure, still one of the best right tackles in the league.

1049
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,280
Speaker 2: Five Matthew Stafford.

1050
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, Stafford or Dak. I'm a big Stafford fan.

1051
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 2: I trust Stafford way more than trust Dack.

1052
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 3: He's so aggressive and he's hard to play against.

1053
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 2: Four George Kittle.

1054
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 3: I guess Kittle belongs head of Kelsey if you look

1055
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 3: at total game right now. He's a little younger. He's

1056
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 3: got to be recently on this list. He's not deep

1057
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 3: into his.

1058
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:29,879
Speaker 2: Thirties, No, not deep, but he is there.

1059
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1060
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:32,240
Speaker 2: Three Chris Jones.

1061
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 3: Wow, I don't realize he was that old either. I

1062
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 3: mean him and Tunsall, I guess are about the same age. Yeah,

1063
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 3: they're new to this list, but this game a.

1064
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 2: Lot of game, an extension and a lot of money.

1065
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 3: Yeah for a thirty year old.

1066
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 2: Okay, Two Tyreek Hill, Oh yeah, I.

1067
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 3: Mean I should know top of my head who's won.

1068
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 3: But Tyreek, I can't believe it was.

1069
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 2: Better Trent Williams number one.

1070
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 3: He probably is better and deep into he moon walks

1071
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 3: into the Hall of Fame if people don't realize how

1072
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 3: good he is. Yeah, he's still probably the best offensive

1073
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 3: line in the league. Although Tyreek might be the best

1074
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:10,240
Speaker 3: receiver in the league. He's in the conversation.

1075
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 2: I mean, you look at these top the top fifteen

1076
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 2: guys on here.

1077
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 3: They're all possible, with a lot of famers, a.

1078
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 2: Lot of Hall of Famer type guys, Yeah, careers on.

1079
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 3: There, and then there's like Evans and Keenan Allen's that

1080
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:23,280
Speaker 3: are Can I make a case.

1081
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 2: These guys have done it longer at a high level,

1082
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 2: for a very long time.

1083
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, we opened this thing. Ben, you don't

1084
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 3: want too many on there, and I think that's true.

1085
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 2: It doesn't hurt to have a few though, these gray

1086
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 2: beards to kind of show everybody else to do it.

1087
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't wouldn't break my heart of Steelers.

1088
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 3: That one more on there.

1089
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's why you know. To me, when people talk, oh,

1090
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 2: you can't the Steelers can't, they can't extend Cam Hayward,

1091
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, really, you can't give.

1092
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:47,879
Speaker 3: Them a five year deal. No, A lot of those

1093
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Speaker 3: guys just got contracts. I mean, I understand Cousins and

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Speaker 3: Rogers or young or quarterbacks, but Chris Jones, I think

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Speaker 3: Buckner got a contract this year. Yeah, pretty I almost certain. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: a lot of those guys got Brandon Graham got a new.

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Speaker 2: I mean some of those some of those defensive tackles.

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Speaker 2: Like to your point about the old man game, that's

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Speaker 2: what they do.

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Speaker 3: They have it.

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Speaker 2: They play power, they have they're not Their game's not

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Speaker 2: predicated on speed. It's credicated on power.

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Speaker 3: No. I mean even those guys bring a lot more

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Speaker 3: the Ted Washington's and some of the guys that could

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Speaker 3: play forever and just eat blocks. But even like Anmakong Sue,

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Speaker 3: I mean he was a second pick in the draft,

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Speaker 3: Letri Cox. These guys were stars, and even if they're

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Speaker 3: eighty percent of what they were, they're still highly effective

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Speaker 3: and names want them. Like I'm sure Sue's gotten offers. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and he does every year. Yeah, don't take it or not,

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Speaker 3: you know, but those guys last. Absolutely, I have no

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Speaker 3: problem given Cam hayward essension.

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Speaker 2: No I don't either. I don't either. Let's get through

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Speaker 2: a break. That's going to do it for our number

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Speaker 2: one of the drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. We'll

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Speaker 2: be back with our number two right after this. He

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Speaker 2: is Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lalli. Stay right here,