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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Why is the little teen

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Speaker 1: girl murdered in her own home? The investigation into her

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Speaker 1: homicide leads us into unchartered territory. I'm Nancy Grace. This

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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here

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Speaker 1: at Fox Nation in series sext one eleven. First of all,

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Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends at CBS.

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Speaker 2: Flowers, stuffed animals, candles, and a birthday balloon surrounded the

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Speaker 2: window of fifteen year old at Lily Silvolopitz, who was

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Speaker 2: murdered in her home June sixteenth.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's peaceful, but we've had crime and stuff,

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Speaker 3: but nothing like this.

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Speaker 2: Neighbors in the area, like Cardona's, are still in shock.

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Speaker 4: So I saw the neighbor of the tow truck and

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Speaker 3: I said, what's going on? He goes over. The police

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Speaker 3: are looking for you to get camera.

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Speaker 5: You're from your footage.

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Speaker 6: I said, why, he goes someone got killed.

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Speaker 1: Someone got killed. That's one way of putting it. A

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Speaker 1: beautiful little girl, Lily, a teen in her own home

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Speaker 1: her family home, is murdered. At the time. Her little

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Speaker 1: brother was home as well. Who would murder a little girl,

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Speaker 1: terrifying her little brother take a lifting two.

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Speaker 2: More Cardonis Hill CBS Colorado. Her camera caught the defendant

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Speaker 2: running down the blank path into the home. That's where

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Speaker 2: he forced himself into the young girl's home through her window.

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Speaker 2: According to the affidavit obtained by CBS Colorado, it.

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Speaker 3: Just scares me to death.

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Speaker 1: Just nine three thirty in the afternoon, you ran.

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Speaker 3: Right by and not knowing that he was going with

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Speaker 7: That's what's scared me.

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Speaker 1: With me an all star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 1: what we know right now regarding the murder of teen

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Speaker 1: girl Lily Joining me right now, California prosecutor, author of

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Speaker 1: Why Bad Looks Good and of Red Flags, the host

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Speaker 1: of Today with Doctor Wendy and Casey BQ. Wendy Patrick, Wendy,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Statistically, this is very

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Speaker 1: unusual for a crime of this violent nature to occur

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Speaker 1: at three point thirty in broad daylight in a residential

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Speaker 1: community with a very low crime rate. Very unusual, statistically, Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Very unusual statistically. You know, that's what makes it terrifying

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Speaker 8: when you hear a report of a crime taking place

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Speaker 8: in the middle of the day in someone's home. I mean,

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Speaker 8: it's one of those things that everybody is talking right away,

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Speaker 8: because it strikes fear into a neighborhood to have something

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Speaker 1: Also, I find it very unusual Wendy Patrick the part

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Speaker 1: was saying, winding through the neighborhood on a bicycle, then

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Speaker 1: the afternoon on a summer afternoon, she's out of school,

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Speaker 1: and picks her to murder. That's very unusual. That suggests

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that's one of the first things you look at

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Speaker 8: with someone that's closest to the victim, and then you

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Speaker 8: work outwards. But when you look at somebody that's brazen

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Speaker 8: that adds to the community fear. It's not something somebody

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Speaker 8: Someone that's bold or brazen enough to do it right

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Speaker 1: As well, and as you hear a neighbor thinking, I

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Speaker 1: taking a look at Lily right now. It's a photograph

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Speaker 1: by now, Jen Smith, investigative chief reporter for dailymail dot Com,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. What can you tell

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Speaker 1: when I'm looking at this photo of her, it looks

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Speaker 1: connected to Colorado. Go ahead, dear, that's right, Nancy.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean this is a kind of quiet, residential

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Speaker 9: Colorado, very kind of family oriented. We know that Lily's

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Speaker 9: Like you describe this beautiful photograph of her, She's posing

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Speaker 1: So when there have been times that I've had to

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Speaker 1: back of my head, I think they'll be fine. You know,

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Speaker 1: they're the same age as Lily, the exact same age.

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Speaker 1: She had just turned fifteenth, And I cannot even imagine

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Speaker 1: what these parents must be going through, thinking, oh, it's summertime,

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Speaker 1: How are they to anticipate some freak driving through the

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Speaker 1: to shoot dead. Joining me right now is Robert Crispin,

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Speaker 1: now private investigator, former Federal Task Force officer with the

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Speaker 1: US Department of Justice DEA and the Miami Field Division,

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Speaker 1: former homicide agent, and you can find him at Crispininvestigations

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Speaker 1: dot com. Why is three point thirty in the afternoon,

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Speaker 7: Well, a number of reasons. The biggest one is you're

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Speaker 7: catch you, people will be eyewitnesses, just so much going on.

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Speaker 7: You're not under the cover of darkness.

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Speaker 1: You know, Statistically, when murders go down, if they're stranger

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Speaker 1: broad daylight. It's in the cover of darkness. It's breaking

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Speaker 1: won't happen, but it did, and wouldn't you agree, Robert Crispin.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if you live down the street from

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Speaker 7: Oh, it will find you, especially if someone wants to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, people think that they're insulated because they live like

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Speaker 1: and this was a quiet residential area in Colorado. And

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Speaker 1: all I know, that's not too far from her home.

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Speaker 1: It's beautiful, it's rural, it's you know, let's go to

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Speaker 1: Jen Myth from Daily mil on this. This occurred in Grellly, Colorado.

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Speaker 1: What can you tell me about really, Colorado.

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Speaker 9: It's kind of one of these American times that you

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Speaker 9: could have it in many any state, Nanci. This is

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Speaker 9: family living. This is pretty small area where Lily was

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Speaker 9: living in peace. She was a popular girl. We know

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Speaker 9: from her obituary that she liked to spend her time

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Speaker 1: was where she was killed. Time Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,

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Speaker 1: old little girl. What happened? Take a listen to our

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Speaker 10: One Record show. Silva Lopez was shot in a hallway

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Speaker 10: while the victim's thirteen year old brother pleaded for his

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Speaker 10: She called nine to one one.

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Speaker 1: state of Florida, doctor Tim Gallagher, also lecturer University Florida

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Speaker 1: the International Forensic Medicine Death Investigation Conference. Doctor Gallagher eight

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Speaker 1: gunshots that we know of for one victim. That's a lot.

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Speaker 1: What does that.

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Speaker 11: Tell you, Well, it is quite a lot, Nancy. You

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Speaker 11: generally we don't see that many gunshot wounds in somebody

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Speaker 11: somebody who is very angry and very focused on making

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Speaker 1: in chief investigative reporter with dailymail dot Com. You know,

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Speaker 1: doctor Gallagher mentioned that he's seen shootings like this in

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Speaker 1: drug cases. But this little girl has no history, no

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Speaker 1: by all accounts, was nothing like that at all. There's

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Speaker 9: nothing to do with anything like that. She was no,

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Speaker 9: She was not in trouble with the law, She was

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Speaker 9: this sort of violence was coming for her.

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Speaker 1: This little girl minding her own business. Ge Jen Smith

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Speaker 1: again joining us from Daily Mail. Where was she in

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Speaker 1: the home when she was murdered?

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Speaker 9: Well, we know that she was initially in the hallway.

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Speaker 9: She actually, we now know, tried to and did potentially

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Speaker 9: save her brother's life. You know, she she cried out

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Speaker 9: telling him to run when she saw the assailant coming

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Speaker 1: Guys, take a little dar Friends at KMGH.

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Speaker 13: Neighbors in this quiet Greely neighborhood could not believe what

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Speaker 14: Lily Silva Lopez born and raised in Greeley, Colorado. At fifteen,

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Speaker 14: Lily Silva Lopez is trying to break up with her

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Speaker 1: Joining me right now. Shannon Henry President, founder of SASS

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Speaker 1: Domestic violence with a fifteen year old little girl.

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Speaker 1: the myth, Jen, could you describe these prior incidents where

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Speaker 15: Three days before his sixteenth birthday, Martise Fuller may be

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Speaker 16: Circumstances in this case would literally chill anyone who makes

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Speaker 16: Parents have described on multiple occasions the defendant driving by

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Speaker 15: So the Court Commissionery set bail at one million dollars.

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 1: To Robert Crispin, joining US former Federal Task Force for

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Speaker 1: US DOJ Department of Justice, Robert, when you hear about

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Speaker 7: And they do. And in this particular case, with the

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Speaker 7: Juveniles at that age they kind of keep all this

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Speaker 1: Well, they may not understand that they should, They may

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Speaker 1: not understand that they are actually domestic assault victims. Joining

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Speaker 1: me doctor Sherry Schwartz for physics psychologists. You can find

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Speaker 1: and victims advocacy. Doctor Sherry, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Why do we call it pupul love.

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Speaker 12: Well, because we think of kids at this stage of

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Speaker 12: And the reality is we know from various outlets, credible

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Speaker 1: But you know, I also wonder why we as a

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Speaker 1: society don't take these relationships as seriously as we do

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Speaker 8: Nancy, this is Wendy. I have thought long and hard

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Speaker 1: What's I'm just thinking through what has happened with Lily.

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Speaker 1: Another sixteen year old girl dead as a result of

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Speaker 12: They don't want their friends to know. They certainly don't

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Speaker 8: Way In Wendy, you know, I agree with all that,

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Speaker 8: least that might be what adolescents view it as, and

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Speaker 8: you're probably even more reluctant. And let me add to

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Speaker 8: the double threat of somebody being armed and angry, angry

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Speaker 8: over a breakup where emotions are high, well, then that

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Speaker 8: may be a circumstance that's absolutely particularly dangerous. And if

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Speaker 8: you have a young woman, a lovely young woman that

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Speaker 8: is not involved in drugs or you know, gang activity

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Speaker 8: or any kind of juvenile delinquency, you would that would

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Speaker 8: you'll only add to the reluctance to admit that you're

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Speaker 8: being abused by a boyfriend. Maybe your very first boyfriend.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Also within the teen dynamic amongst their friends. What

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Speaker 1: does that mean? Are they afraid to Shannon Henry joining

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Speaker 1: US president of SASS, Surviving assault, standing Strong? Are they

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Speaker 1: afraid to tell their friends? Do they think somehow is

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Speaker 1: that embarrassing to them?

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Speaker 6: I think, you know, sure it can be embarrassing. Their

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Speaker 6: shame there skilled. But I think what we have to

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Speaker 6: remember too, is that all relationships start off the same.

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Speaker 6: The abuser builds trust within this child. We have to

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Speaker 6: invite them into our world. So they build this trust,

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Speaker 6: they're charming, which ps. Charming is a learned behavior in

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Speaker 6: order to get what you want. It's not something we're

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Speaker 6: born with. So the family, the victim, they're all fooled

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Speaker 6: into thinking that this is an incredible human being dating

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Speaker 6: their daughter. And then there's the evolution of the relationship

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Speaker 6: as it changes over time. It starts off with words

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Speaker 6: that are unkind. This is why I knew I shouldn't

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Speaker 6: date you. This is why I knew you weren't going

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Speaker 6: to be a good girlfriend. To then throwing the phone,

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Speaker 6: to then pinching and pushing, and eventually to punching.

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Speaker 9: And so we.

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Speaker 6: Always see these behaviors and this power and control increase

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Speaker 6: with intensity and frequency over time, and so sure there's shame.

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Speaker 1: And in this case, the little thirteen year old brother

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Speaker 1: was also so close to losing his life. Take a

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Speaker 1: listen to our cut eleven our friends at.

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Speaker 2: CBS Silviolopa's search and year old brother had told her

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Speaker 2: that Cdio Cardona had broken into the home. He then

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Speaker 2: shot her several times before fleeing the scene. Police found

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Speaker 2: Silverlopas in the bedroom with several gunshot wounds where she died.

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Speaker 2: I Still kick Goose Bucks, I Still Get Goopa Core documentary.

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Speaker 2: The fifteen year old had been in a relationship with

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Speaker 2: the sixteen year old just for six months, and she

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Speaker 2: tried ending the relationship just four weeks before the shooting.

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Speaker 1: Isn't it true that, statistically, Shannon Henry, the moment that

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Speaker 1: a victim is most at risk is when she tries

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, those are the markers that we see once somebody

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Speaker 6: that timing. Absolutely, we see an escalation because they can't

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Speaker 6: elicit control anymore. They understand that the victim is gaining control,

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Speaker 6: and so they have to impress more control upon them

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Speaker 6: and they find new ways.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Sherry Schwartz, Why do you believe that is that

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Speaker 1: when the female and it typically is a female, of course,

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Speaker 1: it can be reversed, but that's very rare that when

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Speaker 1: is when they're killed.

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Speaker 12: Well, what the research shows is that typically the male

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Speaker 12: partner who doesn't want them to leave, is going to

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Speaker 12: lose control because this type of relationship. A cornerstone of

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Speaker 12: this and a key feature is power, manipulation and control.

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Speaker 12: And so if she successfully leads and separates herself from him,

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Speaker 12: he no longer has access to her, He no longer

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Speaker 12: has control over her, and this heightens the level of

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Speaker 12: violence and the intensity of the violence.

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Speaker 1: Guys. As I mentioned earlier, joining us is renown medical

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Speaker 1: examiner doctor Tim Gallagher. You have conducted literally thousands and

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Speaker 1: thousands of autopsies, postmortems, been on thousands of chrome homicide scenes.

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Speaker 1: Would you be surprised to know, if you don't already,

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Speaker 1: that homicide is the third leading cause of death amongst teams.

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Speaker 11: Well, it certainly is, nancy, and we're seeing that more

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Speaker 11: and more. It is a said a said reflection on

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Speaker 11: the society the way it is now, It is not

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Speaker 11: unusual for me to come to work and have to

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Speaker 11: work on two three. You know, subadults or adolescents or

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Speaker 11: young people in their twenties, you know that suffered from

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Speaker 11: gun violence. You know, this is something that was not

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Speaker 11: very common even fifteen years ago, but certainly now you

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Speaker 11: know it is, and we're seeing it on a daily basis,

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Speaker 11: and we're seeing it increase in frequency. It's a very

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Speaker 11: sad reflection on the way society is going.

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Speaker 1: Well, I get what you're saying about gun violence, but

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Speaker 1: the number three cause of death amongst things is homicide.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, it certainly does appear that way, Nancy. And you know,

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Speaker 11: typically accidents were the number one cause, but we're seeing

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Speaker 11: that a lot of these accidents now are intermingled, you know,

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Speaker 11: with gun violence as well. People who have road rage,

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Speaker 11: you know, cut somebody off, start shooting at them. That

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Speaker 11: person gets confused and crashes the car and dies from that.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 11: So there's a lot of accidents that are intermingled with

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Speaker 11: gun violence. There is homicide.

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Speaker 1: Homicide the number three cause of death amongst things homicide.

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Speaker 11: Right, So we're seeing homicides increase, We're seeing and we're

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Speaker 11: seeing that the reason why homicides increasing is because of

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Speaker 11: the gun violence, is because of the shooting, is because

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Speaker 11: of the increase in drug activity, increase in boldness. We're

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Speaker 11: seeing this influenced by social media. You know, people, young

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Speaker 11: people now who have arms, who have guns now show

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Speaker 11: them off on social media. It's a status symbol now,

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Speaker 11: and of course they're going to show them off, and

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Speaker 11: they also want to use them, and they use them

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Speaker 11: against each other. And that is the reason why a

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Speaker 11: lot of the gun violence increases, and we're seeing a

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Speaker 11: lot of that in our younger population.

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Speaker 1: I remember doctor Gallagher. I was so shocked when I learned,

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Speaker 1: and that was many years ago, because I was still

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Speaker 1: at hl Inn at CNN at the time, that the

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Speaker 1: number one cause of death of pregnant women is homicide.

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Speaker 1: And I was so I disbelieved it so much I

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Speaker 1: brought on as a guest the PhD, the doctor that

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Speaker 1: wrote the article, so she could explain this to me.

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Speaker 1: I could not believe the number one cause of death

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Speaker 1: amongst pregnant women is homicide. And today I'm learning an

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Speaker 1: equally shocking statistic that the number three cause of death

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Speaker 1: Jackie Sidney, where am I getting that stat The number

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Speaker 1: three cause of death amongst teens is homicide? Did you

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Speaker 1: say the CDC? Yes, wow, the number three cause of death.

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Speaker 1: Did you hear that? Ely amongst teens is homicide the

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Speaker 1: third leading cause of death. And in this case, fifteen

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Speaker 1: year old girl Lily straight A's great cute, so sweet,

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Speaker 1: scrubbed in sunshine at home at her parents' home when

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Speaker 1: she is gotten down dead and the little thirteen year

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Speaker 1: old brother nearly died in the whole incident. Guys, take

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Speaker 1: a listen to our cut eight our friends at ca Hey,

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Speaker 1: USA nine.

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Speaker 4: A sixteen year old from Greeley is accused of shooting

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Speaker 4: and killing his fifteen year old ex girlfriend. Prosecutors and

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Speaker 4: Well County are charging Giovanno Cirio Cardona as an adult

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Speaker 4: and the death of Lily Silva Lopez. June sixteenth, Please say,

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Speaker 4: the victim's brother told a neighbor that Sirio Cardona broke

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Speaker 4: into their home, shot the victim, took the brother's phone

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Speaker 4: and ran off the They were called nine one one.

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Speaker 4: Police had been to the victim's home earlier in the

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Speaker 4: month and report that Serio Cardona had punched the victim

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Speaker 4: in the face.

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Speaker 10: This is a sad case of domestic violence among teenagers.

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Speaker 10: This sixteen year old suspect just one year older than

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Speaker 10: his girlfriend, and detectives saying that once before, when she

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Speaker 10: had tried to break up with him, he had struck

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Speaker 10: her in the mouth. This is the home where a

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Speaker 10: fifteen year old girl was killed after trying to break

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Speaker 10: up with her boyfriend. Detectives say the suspect shout out

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Speaker 10: a window, broke in the home and shot Lily Silva

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Speaker 10: Lopez several times.

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Speaker 1: It's so hard for me to take in there at

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Speaker 1: and you're hearing our friend Vincente Arenas at Fox thirty

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Speaker 1: one that this little girl is gone after a puppy

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Speaker 1: love breakup. Jen Smith joining US chief investigative reporter with

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Speaker 1: Dailymail dot Com. Jen, the parents, I'm sure believed they

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Speaker 1: had done everything they could. I mean, the little girl,

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Speaker 1: Lily told a cousin. The cousin would not agree to

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Speaker 1: keep it secret and told the parents. The parents, of

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Speaker 1: course called police. The police come out. We find out

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Speaker 1: that this teen boy, Giovanni Cardona, had hit her in

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Speaker 1: the mouth before, put a gun in her mouth, and

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Speaker 1: now this they call police. They sought protection didn't they,

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Speaker 1: Jen Smith?

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Speaker 9: They sure did, They absolutely did. And look, that's going

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Speaker 9: to be something that the police apartment down the lane,

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Speaker 9: they're going to have to answer to this. What more

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Speaker 9: could have possibly been done? Could this teenager have been

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Speaker 9: issued with a restraining order? Could he have even been

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Speaker 9: put in jail after he assaulted her so violently by

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Speaker 9: hitting her in the mouth. I mean, those are all

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Speaker 9: questions that have to be running through the minds of

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Speaker 9: these poor parents, Greef stricten parents. They will be beside themselves,

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Speaker 9: but going from now, I think the next thing on

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Speaker 9: their agenda, Nancy has to be what's going to happen

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Speaker 9: to sign justice in this case with this teenager, this

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Speaker 9: boyfriend who they tried to protract their daughter from as

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Speaker 9: best they could. What will come of him? And we

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Speaker 9: know he's in jail, we know he's being held on

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Speaker 9: a two million dollar bond. Colorado is not a death

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Speaker 9: penalty state, but this guy is going to be prosecuted

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Speaker 9: as an adult, so he's facing the rest of his

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Speaker 9: life in prison.

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Speaker 1: This little girl tried to get out of an abusive

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Speaker 1: relationship with the team. The parents called police. They tried

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Speaker 1: everything they knew on a summer day, when this little

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Speaker 1: girl should have been having fun at home, out of school,

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Speaker 1: hanging out with her little brother. She's dead. Lily Silva Lopez,

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Speaker 1: fifteen years old. If you have information on this case,

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Speaker 1: or you or someone you know is a victim of

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Speaker 1: domestic violence, please call eight hundred and seven nine nine

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Speaker 1: seven two three three. I worked for nine years as

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Speaker 1: a volunteer at the Battery Women Center. Very rarely does

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Speaker 1: an abusive relationship get better, In fact, it gets worse.

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Speaker 1: Please speak to your teen girls.

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Speaker 13: Look the parts for you.