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Speaker 1: Hey everyone, thiss In, Jordan Romano and welcome to The

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Speaker 1: Philly Show.

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Speaker 2: Rubenmar Junior, Jim Salisbury, Todd Zoleki. How's everybody doing? The

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Speaker 2: Philly Show brought to you by the File Territory Network.

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Speaker 2: It's Thursday, January sixteenth, twenty twenty five. I know everybody

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Speaker 2: is like super hyper focused on the Eagles Rams game

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Speaker 2: on Sunday, as you should be, But Phillies' pitchers and

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Speaker 2: catchers are going to have their first official workout at

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Speaker 2: Carpenter Complex in Clearwater, Florida, on February twelfth. That's less

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Speaker 2: than a month away, so you're soon going to be

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Speaker 2: seeing images of Zach Wheeler, Aaron Nola, Ranger, Suarez, Matt

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Speaker 2: Strom or Ryan kirkering on the mound again. You're going

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Speaker 2: to see Andrew Painter for the first time in a

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Speaker 2: long time, and you're going to see newcomers like heyesus Lozardo,

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Speaker 2: Jordan Romano, Joe Ross. Who better to talk about all

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Speaker 2: of these guys than Philly's pitching coach, Caleb Cotham. Caleb

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Speaker 2: is entering his fifth season with the Phillies. We asked

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Speaker 2: him about what makes Zach Wheeler perhaps the best pitcher

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Speaker 2: in Major League Baseball? Can this rotation be the best

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Speaker 2: rotation in Major League Baseball? How does this bullpen handle

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Speaker 2: the losses of Jeff Hoffman and Carlos Steves? When could

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Speaker 2: we see Andrew Painter? Why do you like the guy

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Speaker 2: so much? And much more? Here he is Caleb Coffain, Caleb,

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Speaker 2: thanks for coming on the Philly show Man. We really

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Speaker 2: appreciate it. How are you doing? How the holidays? Your

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Speaker 2: first holidays as a new dad? What's that like?

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Speaker 1: Fun? It's something I mean.

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Speaker 3: A lot of first it's you know, way different than

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Speaker 3: a playoff game, but it's kind of like you have

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Speaker 3: a big calling. You figure it out that you know,

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Speaker 3: this whole thing is bigger than you. And yeah, it

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Speaker 3: was really cool a lot, first Thanksgiving, first Christmas.

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Speaker 1: So it's been fun. But I definitely have the edge

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Speaker 1: to get to Florida and give it the boys.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you have a lot of family members showing up

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Speaker 4: how did it work?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? All our families right here right out greater Nashville areas.

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Speaker 1: So we didn't do much. We did a we did.

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Speaker 3: A small trip to New York right after the New Year.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, all our all our holidays are right here Nashville.

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Speaker 3: We're in Gordonsville, Tennessee. So it's a small, small town

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Speaker 2: Well, I imagine as the Phillies pitching coach, you've got

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Speaker 2: the itch, especially like right before Christmas when you find

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Speaker 2: out that the Phillies traded for Haese lous Lozardo to

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Speaker 2: of people are saying, is that that could it be

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Speaker 2: Mariners and the conversation. You got Jordan Romana, you got

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Speaker 2: Joe Ross. What's your general excitement about those newcomers as

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean added to two or three.

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Speaker 3: I mean, all the guys they're they're their veteran present,

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Speaker 3: It's just there's there's a there's a feeling of watching

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Speaker 3: But it is different. You've got to be made of something,

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Right do you uh For fans that might

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Speaker 3: Yeah, some of them, you know, we have a really

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Speaker 3: So we we go through a big exercise of that,

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean these big tickets, there's definitely conversations.

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Speaker 3: and I am involved a lot on some of them.

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Speaker 1: Some of them it kind of happens.

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Speaker 3: Out of nowhere and it's you know, you're you're making

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Speaker 5: Caleb, You've got a really good one in Zach Wheeler. Obviously.

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Speaker 5: I was watching Dan pleisach the other day on the

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Speaker 5: Major League MLB Network and called them the perfect picture,

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Speaker 5: and I wanted to get your reaction to that, but

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Speaker 5: also ask you about your relationship with Zach, because I mean,

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Speaker 5: he has mentioned how much his relationship with you means

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Speaker 5: sources have helped him take his game to another level

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Speaker 5: post in New York. And I even had a conversation

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Speaker 5: So you know, just playing off the perfect picture and

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Speaker 5: If I'd love to hear about that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's I think to time and time

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Speaker 3: So I you know, I feel like I can I

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Speaker 1: A mound visit at the wrong time. It's not like.

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Speaker 3: I think you've seen kind of probably have seen the

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Speaker 1: And when I say command, he's commanding his plan as well.

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Speaker 1: It's like we'll just sit on the sinker in.

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Speaker 3: It's like, okay, well he'll throw fastballs away four seams

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Speaker 3: he's just a he's a really good example.

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Speaker 1: I think he's the best. You know. I think that

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Speaker 3: He wants to know certain things, knows himself very intimately,

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Speaker 3: and he loves to compete. He loves like getting after hitters.

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Speaker 3: That makes sense. It's it's the same thing. But we

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Speaker 3: Mark's taken over, but he's going to continue to do

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Speaker 3: like he started throwing the two scene and it got

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Speaker 3: pretty good, but it's can we get to there is

435
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,760
Speaker 3: complete ownership of one spot with his four scene and

436
00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,720
Speaker 3: two scene, and then if he does that, he's kind

437
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,080
Speaker 3: of completing his triangle with the back door two scene,

438
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:13,080
Speaker 3: which he kind of did because he he's obviously very nasty.

439
00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:16,760
Speaker 3: The sweeper is a fantastic pitch, but he's kind of

440
00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,760
Speaker 3: similar to Wheeler without the curveball, without the split, and

441
00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:21,639
Speaker 3: without the cutter.

442
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Speaker 1: He's got this two fastball game with the sweeper. So

443
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:25,280
Speaker 1: he's kind of.

444
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,760
Speaker 3: Got this triangle working where when he runs into trouble,

445
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,560
Speaker 3: it's when he's not presenting two hitters that he could

446
00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:36,840
Speaker 3: go ball to strike essentially, so he's he's in the

447
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:38,040
Speaker 3: zone to in the zone.

448
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:39,760
Speaker 1: It's in the zone, out of his zone. But the

449
00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:40,600
Speaker 1: two scene kind of.

450
00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,399
Speaker 3: Opens up a little bit for him, the ability to

451
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 3: go ball to strike, so he makes them respect the

452
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:46,919
Speaker 3: outer half. So I think it's a lot of just

453
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,840
Speaker 3: the caught the art of pitching, not necessarily the science.

454
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,239
Speaker 1: Now I think him, you know, he's more of a

455
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 1: for us.

456
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:59,200
Speaker 3: Let's let's understand why he throws hard, why his sweepers good.

457
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:00,760
Speaker 1: Let's not have that go backwards.

458
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 3: But he's a lot just adjustments in game, noticing things

459
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,960
Speaker 3: hit or reactions, adding a one little call it trick

460
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 3: to his arsenal that he can do to hitters. But

461
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:15,919
Speaker 3: really it's basketball command that it's fastball shape. The consistency

462
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 3: of fastball shape and if he does that, command typically

463
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 3: emerges for him. But he's a good thinker, he's a

464
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,159
Speaker 3: he's what you want. He's kind of a and I

465
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 3: mean this in the best way.

466
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Speaker 1: He's a little bit of a dirt bag. Like he

467
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 1: likes the ball.

468
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 3: He likes those those you know, those those sticky hot situations,

469
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 3: and he doesn't back down.

470
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Speaker 1: He's a he's a trash man.

471
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Speaker 3: So I think he can do that role that Hoffman was,

472
00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,960
Speaker 3: you know, obviously fantastic yet and Kirkering got a lot

473
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,720
Speaker 3: of tastes of that role in those spots. But you know,

474
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,159
Speaker 3: he's just going to continue. And that's that's the the

475
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 3: evolution of a major league reliever. He kind of you

476
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,399
Speaker 3: got to go through this this hierarchy, figure out how

477
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 3: to go, you know, wall to wall, beginning to end.

478
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,200
Speaker 3: And then it's like, now what, But he's hungry. He's

479
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 3: a hungry kid. He wants to be really good.

480
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:01,400
Speaker 5: It's good.

481
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 2: And then what about Romando's ability to bounce back? You

482
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,440
Speaker 2: pretty confident, I imagine you're confident in it. But why

483
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 2: why are you confident in his ability to kind of

484
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,399
Speaker 2: return as an elite level laid in and.

485
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:16,439
Speaker 3: Guy, Yeah, don't have as much talking to him and

486
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 3: how he's talking about it makes me feel really good.

487
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 3: But at this point it's it's it's trusting kind of

488
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 3: our our strength and medical teams that have done that,

489
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:28,640
Speaker 3: done the evaluations and talking to him, seeing him throw

490
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,399
Speaker 3: hopefully see him throw here in a couple of weeks,

491
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 3: seen video, but you know, just kind of leaning on

492
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 3: them and they haven't let me down yet, Like the

493
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 3: our medical team and Paul and Morgan, they're they're fantastic.

494
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of trust and you know we'll

495
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,959
Speaker 3: see he's in a great thought and you never know.

496
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Speaker 1: It's why you need as much pitching.

497
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Speaker 3: I'm I'm pretty shown on him this year and he

498
00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:00,919
Speaker 3: looks great, feels great, and it's just's things where you know,

499
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 3: it's a day to day conversation, let's figure out what

500
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 3: what's under the hood, and let's make sure we don't

501
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 3: miss on it.

502
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Speaker 4: Sort of following up on the Perkuram thing, do you

503
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 4: think if at some point in his career this he

504
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 4: can be a every day closer. I know that's not

505
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 4: necessarily the game plan for Topper and how you guys

506
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,120
Speaker 4: go about it, but do you think that he can

507
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 4: take the baseball in the ninth inning to get the

508
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 4: last three outs at some point in.

509
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Speaker 1: His career for sure, Like, that's an easy yes for me.

510
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 3: You know, if we define closer like the ability to

511
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 3: get the most important out's in a game, like he's there,

512
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 3: I think, But we know that the ninkinning is different.

513
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 3: There's something about knowing that this thing's trending towards this

514
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 3: inning that I have and it's on me and like

515
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 3: a field goal kicker in some ways, like it if

516
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 3: you you didn't lose the game, but everyone's going to

517
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 3: say he lost the game for the team, you know.

518
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 3: So I think he's made that way. His mindset is

519
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 3: is that way. Do I think he's there right now?

520
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 3: Maybe you know, you never know until you know it happens,

521
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 3: but I think I would. I would trust him with

522
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 3: the biggest salts of any game next season, for sure.

523
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Speaker 1: I from Afar.

524
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 5: I love his makeup. He looks like he's got some

525
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 5: something in his belly. We did some off the wall

526
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 5: predictions going into the new year, and it really wasn't

527
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 5: that off the wall, but I predicted that correctly. I'm

528
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 5: going to have twenty two to twenty five saves this year.

529
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 1: Do you think I'm nuts? I, Oh, we'll see.

530
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, one of the guys like I'm super doing

531
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 5: something like that.

532
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,919
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think he's that type of reliever. He's that

533
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: type of picture.

534
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 5: I'm so interested. There's so many questions and players I

535
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,439
Speaker 5: want to talk about, but like, I'm really interested in

536
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 5: Range of Suarez. Have I really liked the guy. I

537
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 5: think he's got a great personality. He's a good guy.

538
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 5: Been fun watching him develop and become a quality major

539
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 5: league picture. Last year was sort of like this tale

540
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 5: of two seasons. He had to tight back little il time.

541
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:12,199
Speaker 5: Wasn't the same guy late that he was early. What

542
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 5: are you hearing about him right now in mid January,

543
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 5: you know, a month before camp and what are you

544
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 5: kind of crystal balling for him in twenty twenty five.

545
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 1: He's doing great.

546
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 3: I think he last offseason was one of one of

547
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 3: the not that he didn't do the work before, but

548
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,120
Speaker 3: he made it more important two years ago to come

549
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 3: in very prepared, especially after the World Baseball Class.

550
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 1: Where he he's a guy.

551
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 3: It's it's the Yin and Yang being legitimately one of

552
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 3: the best command guys on the plant if not the

553
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,479
Speaker 3: best is that things come very easy to him. Pitching

554
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 3: comes very easy to him. So it's it's kind of

555
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 3: playing games with himself against himself. Be better than he

556
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 3: was the day before. Because I'm not kidding. When he

557
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 3: could roll out of bed at nine thirty in the

558
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 3: morning on a day game, throw aside and hit thirty

559
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 3: to thirty spots and you'd watch it, you'd be like,

560
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 3: that's the best side I've ever seen in my life.

561
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,199
Speaker 3: And Ranger be flipping the ball, laughing, running back in.

562
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 3: He's just that that guy, and it's it's very impressive,

563
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 3: but it's it's how good do you want to be?

564
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 3: So that's a lot of our conversations. To me, Ranger

565
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 3: has the ability to be the best in baseball, and

566
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 3: we saw that last year. We saw glimpses, but a

567
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 3: lot of it's just the physicality and the workload management

568
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:30,719
Speaker 3: on our end.

569
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Speaker 1: I think a really.

570
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 3: Good marker for him is just I want him to

571
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 3: qualify for the Gold Glove. So that's one like the

572
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 3: qualification requirements aside my career or disagree, like, he needs.

573
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 1: To qualify for the goal Glove and if that happens,

574
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: he might win it. Probably should win it, but then that.

575
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 3: That equals a season that you've you've you've kind of

576
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 3: gone three quarters the way through the year with pretty

577
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 3: consistent workload. Last year was I think one that it

578
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 3: was very impressive to me because you know, he kind

579
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 3: of had he had the hamstring in the back, then

580
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 3: a little bit of the shoulder, and then it kind

581
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 3: of went up the body, then it went up the

582
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 3: body again. He through the CG right after the hamstring happened.

583
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 3: You know, he just kind of got behind the eight ball.

584
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 3: But he did a really nice job. He was staying

585
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 3: ready for you know, half a year. He's dealing with

586
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 3: things almost daily, and he's one of the he's the

587
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 3: best pitcher in baseball. So I think it was I

588
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 3: think he got a taste of what being the best

589
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 3: felt like. And then the bar is kind of raised now.

590
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 3: So I fully expect that version of Ranger to show up.

591
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 3: And when he's in that mode, when he's in you know,

592
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 3: I always I say kind of how good can I be?

593
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 3: Mode and asking that question versus and you know, let

594
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 3: me just get back to what I was in twenty

595
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 3: whatever year you want to pick. When he's in that

596
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,959
Speaker 3: mode and he's pushing himself. I would put him up

597
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 3: against anybody the ability to throw, just the problems he

598
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 3: can ask hitters to try to solve. He can do anything.

599
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 3: He can do anything with the baseball, So it's just

600
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 3: getting him to stick there. And yeah, like, well, I

601
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 3: think managing the workload maybe a little more strategically early

602
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 3: in the year.

603
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: Might make sense.

604
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 3: It's it's again the Yan Yang, like the coach with

605
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 3: him and us managing workload. It's guys just out. He

606
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 3: can throw seven innings and fifty pitches. Do you pull him?

607
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 3: You know that those are the tough ones. It's really hard,

608
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 3: and the guy doesn't want to get pulled. He maybe

609
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 3: he should, maybe he shouldn't, but you're kind of like

610
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 3: you want to. It's this double vision like today but

611
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 3: looking down the road and where do.

612
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: We want to be.

613
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 3: I'd love for him to throw two hundred innings, I

614
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 3: really would. But how do we build those two hundred

615
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 3: innings in? Is that with the playoffs without? I don't

616
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 3: know if I know that answer, but I know rangers

617
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 3: thinking that way. He wants to, he wants to go

618
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 3: start to finish, and you know we he's a he's

619
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 3: a very very important piece for us.

620
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's no question. I mean I had the same

621
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 4: questions as Jim did. I'm curious, do you think that

622
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 4: he's changing up his overall plan of attack as far

623
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 4: as his physicality is concerned, preparing himself for that two

624
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 4: hundreds Differently, I know he hasn't really gotten to the

625
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 4: point where he's gotten there, So I would assume that

626
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 4: as a goal of is as well.

627
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think.

628
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 3: It's it's one of those things as a coach, it's

629
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 3: the guys. He was legitimately the best picture in baseball,

630
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 3: So it's like, how do you kind of how do

631
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 3: you kind of intervene on something you might see like

632
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 3: honoring the guy? And you know, one of the things

633
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 3: I can't live with myself if I'm ever too quick

634
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 3: or we're too quick on some change or intervention that

635
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 3: the guy's rolling. Like sometimes you kind of got to

636
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 3: wait to you need to. And unfortunately last year with Ranger,

637
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 3: it like it happened quick right and looking back us

638
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 3: as a staff, looking at how he presented in the

639
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 3: training room and taking something from that like what did

640
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 3: we miss? How do we not miss this? Moving forward?

641
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 3: And then the work that Ranger had to do to

642
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 3: stay ready and come back. I think that being part

643
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 3: of his program now is like that's the baseline, that's.

644
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: The cost of being great. So I think Rangers saw that.

645
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, the game's one thing, but the stuff off the

646
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 3: field and his routine has been elevated.

647
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: So I think a lot of things he learned last

648
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: year and we had to implement some of.

649
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 3: The drills on the throwing side, some of the stuff

650
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 3: in the training room, spending more time in the weight room,

651
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 3: making sure the handstring's good, the back and everything just

652
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,959
Speaker 3: is working on the backside. I'm excited to see that

653
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 3: be part of his everyday routine now and it was,

654
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 3: but it's just it's been elevated. So I think that's

655
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 3: where my head's out with it. And I wouldn't say

656
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 3: there's anything fancy. It's just doing just a little more

657
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 3: in a couple of different areas and being quicker to

658
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 3: like say, hey, we need to pull back on.

659
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: This, or pull back an inning, add an inning, and

660
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: then that's that'll help us with the workload. But it's tough,

661
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: you know. He he.

662
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 3: Toper always says it like the danger like the cgs

663
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 3: now because guys aren't doing those.

664
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: All the time.

665
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 3: It's there's something about it that there's a cost and

666
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 3: it's tough to put your finger on it after those cgs,

667
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 3: and you know, we have guys that that can go

668
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 3: complete games a lot, So it's it's always a it's

669
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,719
Speaker 3: a fluid, let's figure it out type conversation.

670
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 2: You mentioned Ranger being the best pitcher in baseball last year.

671
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 2: And Andrew Painter is a guy who black people say

672
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 2: is the best pitching prospect in baseball, or certainly in

673
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 2: the top three. Can you explain to people who have

674
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 2: not seen him pitch the average Phillies fan why you

675
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 2: guys are so excited about his potential? What what is

676
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,719
Speaker 2: it about Andrew Painter that makes him elite that has

677
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 2: days of Dombrowski saying we hope we could see him

678
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 2: July ish in a rotation that has all these elite

679
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 2: level pitchers. And what do you think of the plan

680
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 2: that you guys have set up for.

681
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think just checking the box talking about Andy, Like,

682
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 3: obviously there's tremendous stuff, There's tremendous velocity, and I'm just.

683
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: Real on the plan. Feel good with the plan.

684
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 3: I mean, we're gonna We're not gonna rush a thing,

685
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,959
Speaker 3: so we have we have it built out like in

686
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 3: you know, in theory and pencil for the whole season,

687
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 3: whether that's in the Big League's triple A wherever that

688
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 3: is double A. We'll let kind of the performance and

689
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 3: how he feels dictate that. But he's he's kind of

690
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 3: hit all these his pieces. He's he's feeling good. I

691
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 3: would say, why why I would be excited if I'm

692
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 3: a Phillies fan is and what I've been most impressed

693
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 3: with in my time with Andy, which this offseason has

694
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 3: been more, is just the aptitude for the game and

695
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 3: the ability to like.

696
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: Think very clear. Like you watch an interview.

697
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 3: It's not some ramble buzzword like you you listen to

698
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 3: interview and you can pick one from the Fall League

699
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 3: and you listen to it. It's like that's someone that

700
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 3: knows himself, knows exactly what the goal was of today.

701
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 3: He knows if he did or didn't do it. It's

702
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,919
Speaker 3: there's in some ways, there's not emotion to this thing.

703
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 3: It's here's what I'm going to do, and did I

704
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 3: do it or not? And who do I need to

705
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,240
Speaker 3: help me get get that that done? So I think

706
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 3: he had lunch with him in Nashville, and you know,

707
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 3: it's it's like a it's a big league conversation. The aptitude,

708
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 3: the awareness is very high, and I think on top

709
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 3: of his stuff, like he he has one of the

710
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 3: best abilities to land breaking balls in the zone that

711
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 3: I've seen. And it's like Aaron Nola ask just it's easy.

712
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 3: Like some guys, it's not as easy yet talk about

713
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 3: where to start it. You know, do you aim where

714
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 3: you want to finish it? You aim where you want

715
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 3: to start it. For Andy, it's just kind of it's

716
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 3: just I'm gonna throw it for a strike here, and

717
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 3: it's a good breaking ball. So I think it's a

718
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 3: young kid, but it's it's some you talk to him,

719
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 3: you ask him questions about what he does, it's going

720
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 3: to be an easy answer. He's going to give you

721
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 3: something that's clear and makes sense and that might not

722
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 3: sound fancy, but you asked.

723
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: You asked some guys, hey, what do you do to write?

724
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 3: He's and it's going to be we're always working towards

725
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 3: that being really quick and easy for them to say

726
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 3: they're planning.

727
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 1: But it's just a it's a guy that.

728
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 3: He understands himself very well, and he understands and he loves,

729
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 3: he loves to compete, like it's the the equations. Not

730
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 3: not fancy, but it's it's a it's a really good

731
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 3: starting point. But you know, he's he's a special, special

732
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 3: pitcher and a lot of different.

733
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:41,919
Speaker 1: Ones following up on him.

734
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 4: I saw him as a kid and watch him doing PFPS.

735
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 4: You talk about his ability.

736
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 7: Just aside from the pitching piece, it just looks like

737
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 7: he handles himself and holds himself in a totally different,

738
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 7: more mature athletic I mean, every part of his game

739
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 7: seems to be pretty on point.

740
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 4: First such a young player.

741
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, he can shorten the leglift, he can like he

742
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 3: has the ability. And when I say, like the maturity

743
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 3: level a lot of times shows up in the game,

744
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 3: Like you said, like they're doing a PfP group in

745
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 3: spring training and it it just looks easy, right, the

746
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 3: running game or controlling the running game just becomes easy

747
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 3: because he notices the guy's getting a big lead and

748
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 3: he just shortens up and throws a good pitch. Like

749
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 3: it's just he's playing the game a lot like he's

750
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 3: not He's not a guy that's really caught up in

751
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 3: the numbers. Now we've talked about understanding the numbers a

752
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:37,280
Speaker 3: little bit better.

753
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: Because it can't help you make adjustments in game.

754
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 3: Like if this pitch, especially in the big leagues, this

755
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 3: pitch isn't flying a certain way, we need to do

756
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 3: a little bit of work understanding why. Maybe a que

757
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 3: comes out of it. But the game for him is fun,

758
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 3: like he likes playing the game. Some guys like playing practice.

759
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:58,280
Speaker 3: Some guys like doing you know, pitch design more than playing.

760
00:36:58,480 --> 00:36:59,959
Speaker 3: You know a lot of our guys and it's something

761
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 3: we talk about a lot. Is like the goal of

762
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:03,479
Speaker 3: all this is to be good at the game.

763
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: And what does that mean? To be a pitcher means

764
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: to control the running game.

765
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 3: It means to fill your position because they're not high

766
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 3: frequency things, but they're game winning things. If you fill

767
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 3: that ball and turn the double play, it's like, well,

768
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 3: we shouldn't be practicing that. We only you only get

769
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 3: like eight comebackers a season. It's like, well that could

770
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 3: be three wins. You know on that play you turn

771
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 3: the double play. So it's taken pride in that and

772
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 3: it's just easy. It's easy for him, Like the game's slow.

773
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 5: So Caleb is Nick Abel still on the map for you?

774
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 5: How can he make that you know, next step? I

775
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 5: mean you talk about obviously command, it hasn't been there

776
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 5: for him. What do you how do you view him

777
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 5: kind of through an organizational look.

778
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 1: I definitely think he's still in the next I think

779
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: he's still young.

780
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 3: I mean, he he's I don't want it to get

781
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 3: like it's it's easy for me to it to to

782
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 3: lose sight of just guy's ability to take the ball

783
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 3: at the rate he has and Triple A and the

784
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 3: higher minors and do that consistently, Like that's a very

785
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 3: valuable thing and it's that's that's a tough thing to do.

786
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 3: So I think I've said that to a lot of people,

787
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 3: like we can't lose the site that whether it's been

788
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 3: bad or or he's struggled or it's been good, like

789
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 3: the kids taking the ball and he's stilling a bunch

790
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 3: of innings and that's that's that's not normal in minor league.

791
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 1: So I think that's going to serve him.

792
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 3: But I do think it's a talk to Mike a

793
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 3: lot this offseason, you know, I think it's just time.

794
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 3: It is time to take that next step. So like

795
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 3: what what is that. I don't necessarily think it's control

796
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 3: are a command. I think it's control. I think just

797
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 3: knowing why things happen a little bit. But you know,

798
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff that me and Mick Hat talked

799
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,399
Speaker 3: about is what does it look like to to not

800
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 3: have to try so hard? Because he is a he's

801
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 3: a worker, he's an over tryer sometimes and a lot

802
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 3: of guys that because they care or they want to

803
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 3: be good. But what does it look like to kind

804
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 3: of just let it come to you a little bit?

805
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 3: And I think in that mode he is more of

806
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 3: a pitcher, less of a guy that's doing pitching and

807
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 3: maybe a little too worried about his mechanics or what's

808
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 3: going on in his delivery.

809
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,479
Speaker 1: It's like, what's the ball telling you? What's the hitter

810
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: telling you?

811
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 3: Because that if you're in that mode a little bit more,

812
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 3: it kind of helps you get out of yourself and

813
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 3: helps you get wrapped up in the game.

814
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 1: So I think that's the last piece.

815
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 3: And you know, he's he's trying some different things, he's

816
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 3: he's talking differently a little bit, but the talent's there,

817
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 3: so it's it's not like this we need to add

818
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:37,720
Speaker 3: this pitch or that pitch.

819
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: It's just a different, maybe a little bit.

820
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,240
Speaker 3: Different way of being, if that makes sense, just because

821
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 3: that I've talked the same things I've talked about with

822
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 3: Zach is kind of what I've talked about with Mick. It's,

823
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 3: you know, there's not a lot there's not a lot

824
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 3: of things that me and Zach Wheeler talk about that's

825
00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 3: fancy or analytically driven. It's what do I how's it going,

826
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 3: and what do I need to do more of less of?

827
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 3: And then the rest of it's like, how do I

828
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 3: just get really good at get him out? I don't

829
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 3: really care how. I just want to get him out

830
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:13,760
Speaker 3: and versus perfect command or the shape of my slider

831
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 3: or you know, I need to hit this percentage of

832
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 3: pur balls in the zone. Whatever, Like, just get him out.

833
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 3: And that's really at the end of the day, when

834
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 3: you get to the highest level, that's all that matters.

835
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 3: You get him out, You'll You'll stay here, you will.

836
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 5: How I just want to ask you how much communication

837
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 5: do you have with JT on a daily basis and

838
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 5: how important is he to the entire pitching puzzle and

839
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 5: what you guys try to achieve over you know, from

840
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 5: Spring training through the one sixty two for October.

841
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 1: Like right now or during the season, just the.

842
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 5: Entire ball of wax. You know, how important is he

843
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 5: to the entire pitching program and the execution of the

844
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 5: pitching program, the pitching staff.

845
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 3: I'd love to give him like deputy pitching coach reputies him.

846
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 3: I mean, he's he's incredibly important. I couldn't do it

847
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 3: without him. I'm very grateful. I've said it a bunch like,

848
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 3: just very blessed that you know him, stubby and nappy,

849
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 3: like there has been a ton of catchers that you know,

850
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 3: it's really hard when catchers are different catchers running through

851
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 3: It's no I see it as it's more important than

852
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 3: running through a bunch of different pitching coaches. So consistency

853
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 3: just of JT being back there, but it's it's a

854
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:33,760
Speaker 3: huge part of our process.

855
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: We do on the yin and yang off.

856
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 3: Not giving the pitchers a whole lot from a game

857
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 3: planning perspective, means that we go a ton through the

858
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 3: catcher and JT, and we ask a lot of him

859
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 3: from a preparedness level. You know, he if we're talking

860
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 3: day to day, there's a lot of conversations, but if

861
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 3: we're talking in game, it's constant. I mean we're we're

862
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 3: talking every enning me and JT. And mostly we're we're talking.

863
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 3: I'm probably I'm talking more to him and I am

864
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 3: even the picture, especially with how certain guys like to

865
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 3: set it up.

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Speaker 1: But you know, was texting him last night. He's down there.

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Speaker 1: He called Romano's pen and he was.

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Speaker 3: He said that he was given him some cue on

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Speaker 3: his slider that you know, we've talked about that our

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Speaker 3: catchers can help catchers get a great perspective and if

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Speaker 3: they understand a little bit of the the pitch design

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Speaker 3: and analytics stuff like that really helps the picture because

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Speaker 3: now they're they're the thing they shout back, Hey how

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Speaker 3: was that slider? Like now their information they send back

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Speaker 3: to him is better. Uh, but he's telling me something.

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Speaker 3: I like, Man, he nailed it, nice shot. And it's

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Speaker 3: it's just just who he is, Like he really cares

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Speaker 3: and his level of preparedness is it's tremendous and you

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Speaker 3: know he'll he'll he wants more. So we've you know,

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Speaker 3: we we try to give him like updates on guys

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Speaker 3: and but also like keeping it pretty simple. It's like, hey,

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Speaker 3: what's The one thing I got to remember on this guy,

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Speaker 3: hey cutters two strikes, not sweepers or whatever. But his

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Speaker 3: retention levels high, his preparation levels high, his care is high,

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Speaker 3: and guys that he's a damn warrior's tough to pull

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Speaker 3: him out from behind the plate.

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Speaker 1: Tell you that absolutely is that.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, Caleb, thanks a lot for the time.

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Speaker 6: Man.

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Speaker 2: That was that was a lot of fun. You know

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Speaker 2: a lot of people don't know. You know, you talked

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Speaker 2: about the relationships and stuff, and you mentioned Zach and

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Speaker 2: his attitude and his mindset. And I can tell you

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Speaker 2: you know, when Zach, when Zach is speaking of you,

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Speaker 2: I I can tell the relationship is really tight because Zach,

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Speaker 2: I think I can say this, he doesn't suffer fools

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Speaker 2: very well. So you kind of hinted at that, like,

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Speaker 2: you know, your conversations are pretty honest and open, and

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Speaker 2: he speaks highly of you. So for fans kind of

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Speaker 2: wondering what's going on the inside, I think that speaks

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Speaker 2: a lot about you as a as a pitching coach

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Speaker 2: and how you connect with these guys. So we'll see

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Speaker 2: you in a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: It should be. Yeah, I can't wait.

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