1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth, where we'll get 2 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: to the heart of the issues that matter to you. Today, 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: we're joined by Jonathan Fahey. He is the former acting 4 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:10,639 Speaker 1: ICE Director under President Trump. He's also a friend of 5 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: the show. You've seen him on Fox as well. But 6 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: we're going to break down the escalating chaos in Minneapolis 7 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: following a fatal ICE shooting of Renee Good. Federal authorities 8 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 1: claim that it was self defense, that she was ramming 9 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: her vehicle into the ICE agent. Obviously, other people dispute that, 10 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 1: you know, including the mainstream media and those on the left. 11 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: So what really happened? What do you need to know? 12 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: What will this investigation look like? And where are we 13 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: heading as a country as we sort of see this 14 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: inevitable chaos and clashing between federal authorities and the people 15 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 1: opposed to them. Also intensifying all of this is you've 16 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: got local leaders and Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frye blasting Ice 17 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: saying get the f out of Minneapolis. That sentiment's been 18 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: echoed by people like Jimmy Kimmel on TV as well. 19 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:04,680 Speaker 1: So a lot to unpack here, but who better to 20 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: do it than Jonathan Faye stay with us. Well, Jonathan Faid, 21 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: it's great to have you back on the show. Wish 22 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 1: it were under a different circumstances, but we're we're looking 23 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: forward to hearing your insight and what happened and then 24 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 1: in Minneapolis, Minnesota, so thanks for coming on. 25 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for having me. 26 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: So, you know, obviously tragedy in Minnesota. A young woman 27 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: was in a car and was driving into a police 28 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: or into an ice agent and he shot her. From 29 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: what I have saw, you know, obviously you have to 30 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: look at the different angle some of the angles you're 31 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 1: kind of like, I'm not sure, but if you look 32 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: at the front on like the head on angles, it 33 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: really does look as if this woman was accelerating into 34 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: the police officer or the ice agent. And if you're 35 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: the ice agent, I'm thinking I'm about to get you know, 36 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: ran over, so run over. So I don't know what's 37 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: your perspective in watching the videos and the different angles, 38 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: you know, So how do you read this situation and 39 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: what happened? 40 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 2: Well, I think that was a good point you first made, 41 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 2: that you know, there are it's always important to be 42 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 2: able to look at multiple angles, just like you know, 43 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 2: the instruant replay on TV with an NFL game or something, 44 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 2: just to get a full perspective. But I think the 45 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 2: important things to sort of note on this is, first 46 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 2: of all, that this woman was ordered out of her 47 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 2: car lawfully by one of the other ice agents, refused 48 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 2: to comply and then fled. She at the point when 49 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 2: they ordered her out of the car, she was not 50 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 2: free to leave in any respect. She was detained, She 51 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 2: was temporarily arrested at that point. So she decides on 52 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 2: her own to flee, and when she does that, she 53 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 2: drives directly. We're almost directly at an officer, but an 54 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 2: officer that's in front of her and putting him in 55 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 2: the position. And again, you know, when we look at 56 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 2: all of these angles, I think that that's also really 57 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 2: important to note is we get the benefit of hindsight, 58 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 2: and a lot of these cases that deal with use 59 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 2: of force, the courts actually say we're not going to 60 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 2: second guests officers because obviously, in hindsight it's always twenty twenty. 61 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:15,839 Speaker 2: But when you look at an officer having to make 62 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 2: I say, split second, but it's far less than a 63 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:22,799 Speaker 2: second decision to make. When she starts coming at him, 64 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 2: he knows she's been I think, been obstructing justice as 65 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 2: the reason they told her got out of the car. 66 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 2: They know she's fleeing, so why is she fleeing? And 67 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 2: he also knows there are other people around, so if 68 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 2: he doesn't stop her, you know, he doesn't know if 69 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 2: they're his colleagues behind him, are members of the public 70 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 2: behind him that would be in danger from her as well. 71 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 2: So everything I saw so far indicates that this was 72 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 2: not only legally just like legally justified, but it seems 73 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 2: to me this officer acted entirely consistent with his training 74 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 2: or the way I understand aucers are trained on these 75 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 2: types of things. I don't know the specific officers training, 76 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 2: but yeah, so I think, you know, it's a tragedy 77 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 2: that someone died. This aucer did his job and did 78 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 2: what he was required to do, and it's you know, 79 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 2: the last thing a law enforcement ulcer wants to do 80 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 2: is to have to use their weapon. You know, there's 81 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 2: not this idea that any these aucers are trigger happy 82 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 2: or whatever. It's there's nothing that can be farther from 83 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 2: the truth. It's like, one, no, they don't want to 84 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 2: they're doing these jobsco they want to help people not 85 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 2: hurt people, but also you know when you're involved in 86 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 2: one of these, there's going to be internal investigations, and 87 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 2: it's it's a very unpleasant experience, even like in this 88 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 2: case where I believe you will ultimately be cleared of 89 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 2: any wrongdoing, at least on the federal level. And that's 90 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,559 Speaker 2: sort of another issue we could talk about. 91 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 1: What does that review process you know, normally look like 92 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 1: for this agent and just at large. 93 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 2: What will happen here is the FBI, I will investigate 94 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 2: this case, and they're really good at these types of things. 95 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 2: They do this all the time all the time. But 96 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 2: when they're your shooting is evolved, so they're gonna collect 97 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 2: every single video they could get their hands on. They're 98 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 2: going to interview the witnesses, interview the other officers around, 99 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 2: get a context as to what was happening before, what 100 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 2: led up to it, and then make ultimately make a 101 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 2: decision it did this officer violate the law? And then 102 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 2: the secondary decision would be made by the Department of 103 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 2: Justice if they found he did, you know, could it 104 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 2: be proven beyond a reasonable doubt? Here, I believe they're 105 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 2: going to find that again, this officer acted lawfully and 106 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 2: also consistent with his training. I do think the real 107 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 2: rub here is the state will probably try to charge 108 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 2: him anyway, because we saw Jacob Frye and we saw 109 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 2: Governor Walt. Basically, they've determined this officers guilty, and if 110 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 2: they decided to charge him on the state level, even 111 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 2: if he's cleared federally, it will share it will put 112 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 2: in an immunity issue in front of the court whether 113 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 2: or not this officer has immunity, which is also there's 114 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 2: a lot of there's clear Supreme Court precedent on this, 115 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,359 Speaker 2: but it doesn't mean they will at least try to 116 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 2: charge his officer, charge him, and then it will be 117 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 2: dismissed because he has immunity for the actions involved in 118 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 2: this case. 119 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 1: But regardless, this ice officer's life has now been turned 120 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 1: upside down by being put in the position if having 121 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: to make the split second decision. 122 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, he is right now, I would guess he's 123 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 2: on I mean, he's on paid leave, but he's on 124 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 2: leave until the investigation unfolds. The investigation hopefully it will 125 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 2: be fairly quick for his sake and for the public's sake, 126 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 2: because once the FBI doesn't investigation, hopefully they'll release their 127 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 2: findings so the public can see what they saw on 128 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 2: how they reached their conclusions. Because they will do a 129 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 2: very thorough job. They will have, you know, not only 130 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 2: the videos, but they'll probably have computer animations to show 131 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 2: all the perspectives and it will be helpful for the officer, 132 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 2: but it'll be helpful for the public to understand that. 133 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 2: And another thing I forgot to mention, but I think 134 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 2: it's important where the bullet hit the car. It was 135 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 2: in the front, in the windshield, so it wasn't coming 136 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 2: through the side or anything else, so indicating if the 137 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 2: bullet hits the front, that means the person that fired 138 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 2: the bullet fired the gun was in front and she 139 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 2: was driving the car, so again it supports a self 140 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 2: defense theory. 141 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: And then I assume too part of the investigation will 142 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: get into Renee Goods Goods intentions that day and why 143 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: she was there and what events she was involved in. 144 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: I mean, how much of that is I know there's 145 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: conflicting reports about why she was there or what she 146 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: was doing, how much of that will be taken into 147 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: account and sort of reviewing her intentions that day. 148 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 2: I think it will be interesting to know what her 149 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 2: intentions are. But ultimately, if the officer didn't know what 150 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 2: she had been doing all day and what her intentions are, 151 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 2: it's not going to be the sort of a deciding 152 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 2: factor because it's the and the alser might have been 153 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 2: interacting with her earlier in the day, I just don't know. 154 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 2: But assuming there wasn't any direct interaction, he didn't know 155 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 2: who she was other than that she wasn't complying with 156 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 2: a law for order, it won't be as big of 157 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 2: a factor. And also when you have these things like 158 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 2: you know that you know, you've heard a lot on 159 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 2: these shows, that you know a car is a deadly weapon, 160 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 2: which is in fact entirely true. But one thing the 161 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 2: officer doesn't know. When she's driving the car towards him. 162 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 2: He doesn't know if she's going to continue to accelerate. 163 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 2: He doesn't know if she's going to if she's trying 164 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 2: to kill him, trying to get away. He has no 165 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 2: way of knowing that he doesn't know anything about her, 166 00:08:55,440 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 2: which again makes his actions justified because he doesn't know 167 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 2: her intentions, and you know, and even even if her 168 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 2: intentions were all good at that point, he probably he 169 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 2: was still justified. But I'm just saying the unknown of 170 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 2: who this person is, what their intentions are, if they're 171 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 2: trying to harm him, armor other people. And we know 172 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 2: from these previous many many ICE protests, riots, whatever you 173 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,839 Speaker 2: want to call them, the cars have been used routinely 174 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 2: as weapons against ICE officers. Part of the sort of 175 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 2: the political force behind a lot of this stuff has 176 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 2: been to disrupt not just protests against ICE, but actually 177 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 2: disrupt them from doing what they're doing and being egged 178 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:41,439 Speaker 2: on by the politicians. 179 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:45,719 Speaker 1: So taken into account and a court, the fact that 180 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: we had seen these coordinated and intentional vehicle rammings, I don't. 181 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 2: Like if there was a charge against this officer. I 182 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,079 Speaker 2: think what would what would and I don't think there 183 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 2: will be, but I think what would what would go 184 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 2: into the fact would be his personal experience, his his 185 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 2: training and experience, and why he made the decision that 186 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 2: he did so. Then like his personal experience involves being 187 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 2: in ice during the you know, the last year, he 188 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 2: apparently was dragged by a car in a prior incidents, 189 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 2: according to what Secretary Nome said, I think at our 190 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:26,559 Speaker 2: press conference maybe yesterday, and also not that the overall 191 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 2: knowledge that these are cars are being weaponized against you know, 192 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 2: ice and CBP. I think I just saw I think 193 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 2: it was on Fox just now, that they were ninety 194 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 2: nine of these car related attacks. And I'm sure there 195 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 2: are various degrees of what you consider an attack, but 196 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 2: ninety nine vehicle related incidents involving ice. So this certainly 197 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 2: would heightened this officer's awareness of the danger put them on. 198 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 2: You know, it's a greater higher level of stress, plus 199 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 2: his own experience of being dragged by a car. Plus 200 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 2: they are trained when they go to Fletsey, which is 201 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 2: their Federal law Enforcement training center in Georgia. One of 202 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 2: the things they're trained on when they're trained on useful 203 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 2: force is that, you know, cars can be deadly weapons. 204 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 2: A good I think a third of all officers killed 205 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 2: and a line of duty involved vehicles. It doesn't mean 206 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 2: they're always attacked with the vehicle, but cars are dangerous, 207 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 2: and so these are all things that would be factored 208 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 2: into it. Ultimately, I don't think they'll be charged federally, 209 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 2: and if it was charged in the state, it would 210 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 2: be dismissed on immunity ground. So but those would be 211 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 2: the types of things that would play out well. 212 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: So I mean, this guy lucky that President Trump's in 213 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 1: office and will be for the next you know, three years, 214 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 1: because you know, he's going to make sure that you 215 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: know that this guy's uh, well, I I guess if 216 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: it's on the state level, I don't know actually how 217 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: that would work in terms of a pardon, because I 218 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: think that would just be federally. But you know, because 219 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: right now the federal government is you know, they're they're 220 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,719 Speaker 1: standing behind the ice officer talking about how, you know, 221 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: were blocking the police officers. One of the writers weaponized 222 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: or vehicle attempting to run over the law enforcement officer 223 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: and attempt to kill him, and that he was fearing 224 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: for his life. These were defensive shots. But I mean, 225 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 1: I think even just from a common sense standpoint, like 226 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: if you've got a car accelerating towards you, I'm thinking 227 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:18,679 Speaker 1: I'm going to get run over, you know, Like I mean, 228 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: like you're just from a common sense standpoint like that's 229 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: going to instill fear. 230 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 2: And you know, I'm thinking that, right, And he has 231 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 2: a level of responsibility not just for his own life 232 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 2: and safety, but the safety of you know, his fellow officers, 233 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 2: but also the public as a whole. So he has 234 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 2: more than you and I would have. That is simply, 235 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 2: you know, just us, he has an oath to protect 236 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 2: the public, and when this person's doing that, he has 237 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 2: to take action. And you know, you can make a 238 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 2: very good argument. If she got away and didn't and 239 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 2: end up hurting someone or or running someone over, and 240 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,719 Speaker 2: this officer didn't do this, you can make a good 241 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 2: you'd be able to make the argument, why did this 242 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 2: officer not act? And this horrible thing happened? 243 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: Got to take a quick commercial break. More on what's 244 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: happening in Minneapolis. I mean, I think the sad thing 245 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: is too that you know, we were kind of moving 246 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: toward this like collision course with us where you've already 247 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: have You've had as fascination attempts against ice officers, you've 248 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 1: got border patrol agents with bounties on their head, and 249 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: when you have these continued clashes in these cities and 250 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: these states, like inevitably something bad is going to happen. 251 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're exactly right. And it's still it's so scary 252 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 2: because you know something and we're not, like you know, Unfortunately, 253 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 2: this isn't like the incident that will like end the 254 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 2: bad things. I think it will only, you know, create 255 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 2: more danger for agents. And you look at the way 256 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 2: these politicians reacted, and I'm saying the Democratic politicians because 257 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 2: I think it's way out of line. The way their 258 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 2: first reaction is accuse the agent of murder and everything else. 259 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 2: It just shows that their intent is to keep ramping 260 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 2: this up. Celebrate the obstruction because these aren't just protesters 261 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,959 Speaker 2: that are obstructing Ice. They're trying to prevent them from 262 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 2: doing what they're doing. And you know, particularly Minnesota, you 263 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 2: have to not only do you have sort of the 264 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 2: open borders, mass amnesty mindset of the Democrats that oppose 265 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 2: all deportations, but now you have Tim Walls that is 266 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 2: like trying to do anything he can to get the 267 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 2: spotlight off of him and the Somali fraud. So he's 268 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 2: more than happy to amp things up. And again we 269 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 2: know his history. You know what was it last May 270 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 2: at the you know, commencement speech I think for the 271 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 2: University of Minnesota Law school. He's calling Ice agent's Nazis, 272 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 2: which is or the gestappo. But it's like it's beyond 273 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 2: the pale. I just can't even imagine going to a 274 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 2: graduation ceremony and having a speaker talk like that, it's 275 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 2: so so be on the pale, but they are trying 276 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 2: to ramp it up. They want chaos. Jacob Ry wants 277 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 2: another George Floyd two point zero. I think that was 278 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 2: sort of badly his heyday, and even though the city 279 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 2: hasn't even recovered from that, it's almost like they want 280 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 2: a sort of a Ice version of George Floyd. And 281 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 2: I felt like they wanted that in the They tried 282 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 2: in the Biden administration with the you know, the rumor 283 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 2: of the fake border patrol whipping incident. But they've always 284 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 2: been looking for one of these to kind of change 285 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 2: the narrative, have everyone turn on Ice, and then Ice 286 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 2: won't support the illegals, and then the illegals get to say, 287 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 2: which obviously that's their ultimate political goal. 288 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: And we've had the Minneapolis mayor, Jacob Brice Ice get 289 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: the f out of Minneapolis, which you know clearly is 290 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: trying to incite. And then you've even got Jimmy Kimmel 291 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: pushing the narrative to saying he isn't just killing people overseas, 292 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: get the f out of Minneapolis, get the f out 293 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: of Oliver City, saying that President Trump is ordering ICE 294 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: to kill Americans, so you know, unfortunately they're really you know, 295 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: ramping up this rhetoric, which I'm concerned about. 296 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 2: You know where. 297 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: This this heads. You know, right now they have this 298 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: massive ICE apployment of agents in the Minneapolis area about 299 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: two thousand. It's the largest DHS operation ever. What do 300 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: you make of this? Is it necessary and why such 301 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: a heightened force in Minneapolis specifically? 302 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 2: Do you think? I think it's necessary, and I think 303 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 2: part of they're two fools and they they talked about 304 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 2: this when they went in. There are one a lot 305 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 2: of these are HSI agents to focus on the Somali 306 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 2: fraud aspect of it, and also the immigration agents as well, 307 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 2: or are the agents that are going to do the 308 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 2: immigration enforcement. But I think it's necessary, particularly in places 309 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 2: like many Minnesota Minneapolis, which are sanctuary cities, so you know, 310 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 2: the non sanctuary cities, as you know, they they turn 311 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 2: over the criminals to ICE, and they do it in 312 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 2: a jail and they take them out of the country 313 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 2: and everyone's better off and everyone's safer, and it's it's 314 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 2: efficient and easy. But Minnesota doesn't do that, so ICE 315 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 2: is forced to be on the ground to get these 316 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 2: criminals and remove them from the country. And I think 317 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 2: it's interesting you were mentioning Jacob Fry and his statements. 318 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 2: One of his statements yesterday, he talked about how you know, 319 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:30,360 Speaker 2: Ice says they're trying this is to make things safer, 320 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 2: but it clearly doesn't make things safer type of thing. 321 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 2: But the irony is, since Trump's taken office, we are, 322 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 2: i think, having a record decrease in crime, and we 323 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 2: may even have the lowest murder rate ever recorded, I think, 324 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 2: depending how they you know, the last month of the 325 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 2: year was calculated. So and that's because President Trump removed 326 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 2: four hundred and thirteen thousand people with criminal records and 327 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 2: probably also created a great to those here illegally and 328 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 2: also those coman in crime that Hey, the days of 329 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 2: the Biden administration were so total free for all on 330 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 2: the streets are over. So this really has made Minneapolis safer, 331 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 2: and it's certainly made Chicago safer. We saw that from 332 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 2: Operation Midway. So you know, it's funny when when during 333 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 2: Bacon Fry's antics yesterday, it's like, it's not what he's 334 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 2: saying isn't even remotely true, and he's the reason crime 335 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 2: went up in Minneapolis to begin with, during you know, 336 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 2: George Floyd. But yeah, it's just very sad that there 337 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 2: there doesn't seem to be an adult in the Democratic Party. 338 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 2: I mean, save maybe a John Fetterman, but they're very 339 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 2: There's no Democrats that will even stand up for the 340 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 2: ICE agents or anything else, which kind of gives up 341 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 2: the game for the Democratic Party when they you know, 342 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 2: during the last campaign, they tried to act like they 343 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:57,199 Speaker 2: were for border security and things like that, and not 344 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 2: one of them has ever said, well, Trump's done great 345 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 2: on border security, but I wish he would, you know, 346 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 2: not to be as aggressive on immigration. They don't even 347 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 2: give him any credit because they didn't want border security. 348 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:12,120 Speaker 2: They want open borders and mass amnesty. And they are 349 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 2: so sort of wedded to this that no one deviates 350 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 2: from it other than other than Federman that I could 351 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 2: think of. There might be you know, somebody, a few 352 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 2: people in the House, but everyone else is fully on 353 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 2: board with the most radical immigration agenda that you can 354 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 2: think of. 355 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: Well, and also, you know, I believe it's The Washington 356 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 1: Examiner recently looked at the data from DHS and found 357 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: concluded what we've been hearing from the Department of Homeland 358 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: Security that seventy percent of the individuals deported have been 359 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: criminals or have pending charges. When we're talking about millions 360 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 1: upon millions of people who came into this country under 361 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:52,360 Speaker 1: the Biden administration, how difficult, particularly when you've got sanc 362 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 1: curious city shielding some of these folks. How hard is 363 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: it to find? 364 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is so difficult for a couple of reasons. 365 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 2: One say, for example, if a city that's not a 366 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 2: sanctuary city, they have somebody that's locked up for a 367 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 2: crime in their jail, they just simply call ICE. When 368 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 2: their sentence is over, ICE will send an agent, maybe 369 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 2: two agents, pick them up, process them, and they sort 370 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 2: of go on their way out of here. But if 371 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 2: you have to do an arrest, you have to one 372 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,719 Speaker 2: identify the person, find out where they are, you know, 373 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 2: to locate them, then put together an entire arrest operation, 374 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:37,239 Speaker 2: which involves usually multiple officers, higher degrees of danger to 375 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 2: the officers, higher degrees of danger to the community because 376 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 2: the person might be wanting to flee, might want to 377 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 2: harm officers, other types of things. So it is exponentially 378 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 2: more difficult in terms of just the logistics of it. Also, 379 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 2: exponentially less efficient in terms of the manpower. My guess 380 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 2: is a jail arrests versus a on the street arrest 381 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 2: is I would guess at least tenfold in terms of 382 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 2: the amount of resources required in addition to having to 383 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 2: like locate someone. 384 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: You know, why do you think the left has so 385 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: much hostility toward law enforcement? Because this is just the 386 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: latest iteration of it. But I mean, you can go 387 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: back to like the whole Michael Brown, hands up, don't 388 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 1: shoot lie in twenty fifteen, and you know, like so 389 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: this war on cops. 390 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 2: Is not new. 391 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: It's just you know, now it's with some of these 392 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,159 Speaker 1: federal law enforcement agents. So like, why why do you 393 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:37,360 Speaker 1: think they have so much hostility for law enforcement? 394 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 2: That is a great point, because yeah, you're right, this 395 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 2: is not even new, it's it's sort of like more 396 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 2: the less focus is more now just focused more on ice. 397 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 2: But they've always been, meaning in the last you know, 398 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 2: ten plus years, anti law enforcement. Every single every step 399 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 2: of the way. They find reasons to blame the cops, 400 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:02,439 Speaker 2: support the victims. You know, and again Jacob Fry before 401 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 2: he was anti ice, he was anti cop in his 402 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 2: own city, and you know, watched basically celebrated his city burning, 403 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 2: which is pathetic. You know, I don't know, because it's 404 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 2: like when I grew up, both parties seemed to be 405 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 2: almost competing to be who could be more pro law enforcement. 406 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 2: You know, everyone would always want to have the photos 407 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 2: with the cops and the sheriffs. Bill Clinton was all over, 408 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 2: you know, he always wanted to be standing or you know, 409 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 2: shoulder and shoulder with cops. But yeah, something changed during 410 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:39,679 Speaker 2: the Obama administration. It just became this sort of everything became, 411 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 2: you know, the sort of this identity politics. All everything 412 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 2: is about a grievance. So if you're if you're you know, 413 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:47,920 Speaker 2: getting a Russian for crimes, the cops supposed to be 414 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 2: the bad people, and all this racial you know animus 415 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 2: was injected into it and it's been disastrous. And when 416 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 2: you bring up the hands up, don't shoot, it's like, 417 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 2: you know, no one ever goes back and says, how's 418 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 2: Ferguson Missouri doing these days? Right? Because it got burned 419 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 2: to the ground, but no one cares. And it never 420 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 2: wasn't even true to begin with the hands up, don't 421 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,120 Speaker 2: shoot narrative, but the Democrats love it, I mean even 422 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 2: after it was conclusively proven to not be true by 423 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 2: Eric Holder as the Attorney General. Hillary Clinton and other 424 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 2: Democrats were still out campaigning and doing events with Michael 425 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 2: Brown's family, sort of continuing continuing to perpetuate the narrative. 426 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 2: But I think it's a lot of it's the identy 427 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 2: politics to pander to, you know, you know, minority votes 428 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 2: and stuff like that. But it's been disastrous in terms of, 429 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 2: you know, I think for the people they claim to 430 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 2: be serving, because all of these places that had these 431 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 2: incidents ended up worse off afterwards. If it's Ferguson, if 432 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 2: it's Minneapolis, if it was Baltimore with that his name 433 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 2: was something gray, But there was this incident right around 434 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 2: the same time, but everything got worse, and then the 435 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 2: Democratic politicians how elevate themselves while the communities they serve 436 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 2: get worse. 437 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Tim Mal's let his city be taken 438 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 1: over and a preescinct be taken over and allowed five 439 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: hundred million dollars worth of damage to Minneapolis because he 440 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: delayed the National Guard. You know, before we go, what 441 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:22,159 Speaker 1: should people know about the ice agents that sign up 442 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 1: to do this work, the Border patrol agents that sign 443 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 1: up to do this work. 444 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:31,159 Speaker 2: They should know. These people are like all of our 445 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 2: friends and neighbors. I've known so many ICE agents, Border 446 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 2: patrol agents, FBI, local police. These are people that actually 447 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 2: care about the community, want to make people safer there. 448 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,479 Speaker 2: You know, whatever the narratives are put out there by 449 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 2: the left are faults. I mean probably, I mean not 450 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 2: that there's not exceptions here or there for anything. But 451 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 2: it's amazing. Yeah, they're good people, care about the community. 452 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 2: They don't deserve to be maligned, and we all benefit 453 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 2: from their work, and even the Democrats do. It's like 454 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,120 Speaker 2: you have Pritzker, you know, beating his chest every day, 455 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 2: but Chicago's safer because of these ICE agents, and he 456 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 2: gets the credit for the community being safer. I guess 457 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 2: just was trash these agents. It's so shameful. But the Democrats, 458 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 2: you know a lot of ways, it's sort of easy 459 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 2: for them. You just you just have a bad guy, 460 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 2: you trash them, and you don't have to ever be 461 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 2: constructive about dealing with anything. 462 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 1: Jonathan Faye, we appreciate your work. Thanks for coming on 463 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: the show to break this all down, praying that cooler 464 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: heads prevail and all this craziness. 465 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 2: Well, thank you very much for having me. 466 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: That was Jonathan Faye, former acting Ice director. Appreciate him 467 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: for making the time to come on the show. Appreciate 468 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 1: you guys at a home for listening every Tuesday and Thursday, 469 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: but you can listen throughout the week. Also want to 470 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 1: make my producer John Cassio for putting the show together. 471 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: Until next time.